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Cancer as a parasite: What patients should know · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Parasites and parasitic diseases are a hot topic these days.
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  It seems everyone is concerned about parasites, even for their pets.
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  But a broader conversation is this.
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  What about parasites and cancer?
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  Today's conversation is one of the top researchers on the subject.
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  Now let's get started.
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  Today's conversation is with neuroscientist and real estate company owner, Dr.
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  William Supple about his important book, Cancer is a parasite.
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  Kill it with safe over-the-counter anti-parasitic fenbendazole, the book that blends groundbreaking research and a visionary new model that redefines cancer as a parasitic process.
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  Bill, welcome so much to the 10pny files.
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  Thank you so much for joining me this morning.
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  Excited to be here, Dr.
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  T.
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  I'd love the the introduction to your book and what got your attention to fenbendazol to begin with.
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  Uh, please share that story with our audience.
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  Well, the um this really was a necessity is the mother of invention type of story.
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  So, you know, I'm not an oncologist, I'm not an MD, you know, I'm a retired neuroscientist and retired business owner.
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  My wife and I are actually retired.
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  And um in October of 2021, my mother-in-law went in for a bowel obstruction uh and found out that she had metastatic breast cancer more or less everywhere.
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  So it was in her lungs, her bones, uh liver, um, it was in so many different uh different regions in her spine that they stopped counting.
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  So anyway, she didn't want to at she was 83.
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  She didn't want to endure the horrors of radiation and chemotherapy.
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  So she um, you know, she she didn't want to do anything.
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  So um at the time, you know, I happened to be reading it, may have been a Mercola article, but in embedded in the comments was a totally different article, had nothing to do with cancer.
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  Someone said, try fenbendazol, it cured my prostate cancer.
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  And that's really all it took to kind of get me down to where we are today.
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  So I started to look into the science behind fenbendazole.
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  And there was a lot of preclinical exciting uh science that looked like wow, this is the real deal.
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  And the more we looked at it, you know, as a as a family.
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  Um my mother-in-law really had no reason to not try it because she wasn't going to do anything else.
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  So she was so bad that for the two-mile drive home, they weren't sure she was going to make it, so they gave her last rights in the hospital.
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  So this is how bad it was.
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  So about fenbendazole, you know, it it it kind of has it kind of looks like a scary word, you know, fenbendazole.
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  So what it what it is, it's basically it's an animal antiparasitic.
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  So you can buy this on Amazon.
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  I actually bought the first batch on at Tractor Supply up in Vermont, and I took it myself, thinking that you know, if if it's gonna kill somebody, it should kill me.
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  Obviously, it didn't.
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  So I sent a bunch down to my wife with her mother in Florida, and my wife took it 50% genetic match.
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  We didn't want to make a sick woman sicker.
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  So my wife took it.
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  No, no side effects, nothing.
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  It was a non-event.
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  So the the family and my mother-in-law's husband agreed to start treating her with it.
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  And so what her husband did was mix 222 milligrams of fenbendazole into her yogurt every day, and she ate it every day.
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  Um after two, three weeks, she started to look better, feel better.
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  She got some of her activity level back, her appetite came back, and she looked a whole lot better.
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  So after about a month, she felt well enough to fire hospice.
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  She was kind of coming back to her own self.
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  After six to seven weeks, she was strong enough to go back to the oncologist who had more or less closed the file on her, written her off.
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  You didn't expect to see her again.
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  So they looked at her blood tumor marker.
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  So when she left the the hospital in October, it was 316.
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  So you can detect how much breast cancer there is by the proteins and the blood that encode for the cancer cells.
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  And it's a linear function, more or less.
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  The higher the number, the worse it is.
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  The the worse it is.
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  So when she left the hospital, it was 316.
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  So when she left the hospital, it was 316.
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  When she went back to the oncologist about two months later, it was in a half.
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  When she went back to the oncologist about two months later, it was in half.
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  It was, I forget the exact number, but I'll say like 135.
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  It was, I forget the exact number, but I'll say like 135.
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  So we knew something was working.
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  So we knew something was working.
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  And the only thing she was taking was the fenbendazole.
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  And the only thing she was taking was the fenbendazole.
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  So of course, you know, she's feeling better.
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  So of course, you know, she's feeling better.
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  And you know, now we she continues to take, continues to take it.
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  And you know, now we she continues to take continues to take it, and after um, and she goes back.
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  And after and she goes back to the oncologist and she continues to get the blood tumor marker.
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  She did have two injections of fulvestrin at one point because he convinced her to do that because of the side effects, she stopped doing that.
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  Um but she did have two injections of fulbestrin, which is an estrogen receptor blocker, which would never account for the dramatic results she had, but it may have synergized with it.
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  And she also had uh some spot radiation in her spine for uh tumors that were giving her some pain.
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  So those things, you know, she did have some treatment, but nothing that would lead to this dramatic cure.
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  So after about um three or four months, her blood tumor markers dropped to below normal, which is below 38.
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  And her breast cancer has been gone ever since.
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  So and she's getting ready to celebrate her 88th birthday the end of this month.
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  So it's it's like four years later now, right?
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  Yeah, so she's you know, so she's way out on any curve of survivability, especially for someone her age.
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  Um so anyway, that started started as going.
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  So the news of her success spread rapidly.
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  First it was family, and they wanted to know how she did it, so we would explain what she did, and you know, the so you have this you're regurgitating the same story over and over again, and then it became not just family, but then friends and then friends of friends calling us all the time.
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  So I decided to do to kind of stop the uh stop the bleeding, so to so to speak, to do a substack and put her case report out there so other people could it would answer the questions that we've been answering, you know, how did she do it?
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  Uh how come there were no side effects, all that sort of thing.
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  And that I didn't mention that.
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  She had no side effects, none at all.
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  So she got the best of both worlds.
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  She got cured of her cancer with no adverse side effects.
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  So it's almost too good to be true.
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  But what I realized from doing all the research is it's really not too good to be true.
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  It's exactly what the science says.
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  Unfortunately, all the most of the science is preclinical, meaning it's done in the petri dish and and in animal models, suggesting that it should work, but it's never been translated with fenbendazol to humans in any appreciable manner, other than what we did with the substack.
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  So my mother-in-law was the first case.
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  So I published that, and then other people learned from her experience, but also there's this hidden uh community of people who are already self-treating their own cancers with fenbendazol.
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  So they started to write in and hey, it worked for me too.
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  So that's where I started to get all these case reports.
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  And it's like, wow, this is really something.
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  So I would public I would get as much information as I could, and you know, a lot of people are just like most of the case reports are hey, it worked for me.
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  And that's the beginning and end of it.
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  I don't hear from people are very private about their medical medical issues.
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  So I understand that.
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  Um, but some people will want to tell their story, and they have you know excellent records, and actually, three of our case reports were published by Dr.
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  Macus, uh William Macus in 2025.
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  So they met the rigor of peer review in a journal called Case Reports in Oncology.
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  Now, that was recently retracted, not for the science, but because Macis didn't disclose that he treats patients with fenbendazol.
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  So they had that they claim that he had an undisclosed financial interest.
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  If that was the standard, there would be no no pharmacological studies published in oncology.
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  So it, you know, they kind of shot themselves in the foot there.
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  So there it's really the the best case report paper that's out there, because I provided all the I got permission from the three people, including my mother-in-law, or uh the researchers to access their medical records, and they're all published anonymously, and it was it was it works.
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  So, you know, the the good news today is there appears to be a legitimate cure for a lot of solid tumor cancers, and you know, that that is in the good news category.
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  You know, this is really it's really really good.
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  Um, I'm a good friend with Little Lee Merritt, and we're one of the five docs, and she's always talked about that parasites are what cause the cancer, and you know, I've I've read your book, and I've also listened to some other videos where they talk about that the inside of the parasite, there is a metabolic pathway that has the that cancer cells have the same metabolic pathway.
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  So that's the reason why fembendazole kills the parasite because of this lockage in this metabolic pathway.
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  So therefore, that's why it works in cancer cells.
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  And Lee has said multiple times, you know, back in the early 1900s, it was well known among pathologists that parasites did cause the cancer.
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  I mean, where do we make the differentiation?
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  And in my mind, it doesn't really matter.
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  You know, if it's the if there happens to be a parasite there and you kill it off with fenbendazole, or it's the same pathway and you kill the cancer cell with fenbendazole, the end result is success.
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  So it's it's sort of like splitting hairs to me.
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  But you as a scientist, how would you review that?
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  Well, I agree with your assessment that we're we're at the end, we've achieved the goal that's killing the cancer.
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  Now we're actually in the process of working backwards to understand why.
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  Right and know what Dr.
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  Merrick says has some validity.
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  But the whole the reason why I named the book Cancer as a parasite is because and foremost, fenbendazole and other similar medications are antiparasitic.
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  So they kill parasites, that's their intended purpose.
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  But because cancer cells, fortunately, by some act of God have the same structural vulnerabilities that parasites do, these antiparasitics kill cancer cells as well, using the same mechanisms.
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  By some act of God have the same structural vulnerabilities that parasites do.
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  These antiparasitics kill cancer cells as well, using the same mechanisms.
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  Right.
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  So in terms of you know eradicating the problem, killing the parasite, killing the cancer.
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  So in terms of you know, eradicating the problem, killing the parasite, killing the cancer.
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  Problem mostly solved.
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  Problem mostly solved.
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  The the theoretical issue is does the parasite itself cause cancer or
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  The theoretical issue is does the parasite itself cause cancer, or my book deals with the nature of cancer.
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  What is it?
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  You know, Dr.
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  Mara is talking about what causes cancer.
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  I'm talking about what cancer is.
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  Cancer is a parasite because it one, it's vulnerable to antiparasitics, and two, it has all of the structural defects that uh parasites have that is exploited by drugs like fenbendazole.
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  And there are when you the so I'm a neuroscientist, so we we deal with theory, and theory determines your next experiment.
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  Like you have to have a plan.
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  So what I did with uh fenbendazole in antiparasitics and cancer and parasites is I had to come up with a plan that I detail in the book.
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  And the plan was how similar are parasites to cancer cells?
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  Because when I was doing the research, I would be reading into the body of the paper, and I would say, is that am I reading about parasites or cancer cells?
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  And the 50th time I did that, I realized wait a minute, you know, these two things are the same.
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  You know, this could be about cancer or it could be about parasites.
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  They're talking about the same mechanism.
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  I'm seeing it over and over again.
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  So anyway, the the point that I'm trying to make is that uh the nature of cancer, cancer behaves for all intents and purposes, all intents and purposes just like a parasite cell, or just like a parasite.
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  And there's a main so I tried to reject the hypothesis that where do they differ?
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  So you know so cancer cells are usually um the somatic mutation theory of what causes cancer means that you have a cell that goes rogue, you know, it it's a cell of the self that becomes cancerous and becomes a problem in the body.
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  Um so the origin of cancer is within the body, or as the origin of parasites, obviously you pick them up somewhere else.
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  You know, that's the conventional wisdom.
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  But what appears to happen is that as tumor like the cancer that cancer has a lifespan, and at day one, it's very different than it is at day 365 or two years, three years down the road.
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  So cancer evolves into a more complex entity than how it starts.
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  So it becomes more and more like a parasite as time goes on.
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  So what happens with uh cancer cells that in general is really changed my mind was um biological, like all of our cells in our body have a biological clock that is entrained by our uh nucleus in our brain called the suprachismatic nucleus.
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  You know, other animals aren't trained by light and dark cycles, but every cell in every normal cell in the human body is in sync with each other, they they all march to the same drummer.
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  Cancer cells have developed their own biological clock, they run on an asynchronized rhythm, very similar to what a parasite does, because a parasite is its separate entity, it has its own biological clock, the clock genes are separate and they evolve to make the uh parasite is a separate entity that infects the organism.
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  Cancer becomes a separate entity over time that has its own biological clock, and it also has the uh chromosomal pattern of parasite cells.
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  So parasite cells and cancer cells are the only two cells that have, if you know how if you look at a karyotype for chromosomes, it's kind of they kind of line up the 23 pairs, like you know, NOAA's animals going into Noah's arc.
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  So if you do that with a normal cell, that's what you're used to seeing.
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  If you do it with a parasite cell or a cancer cell, it's a mess.
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  It's called anaploidy, uh, karyotypic anaploidy.
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  And those are the only two cells that have that parasite cells and cancer cells.
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  So that's another way that they're uh very similar to each other, that's relatively unknown.
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  There's you know, people know about how they how parasites and cancer cells hijack the immune system so that they can hide among the other cells and they become uh they camouflage themselves and they hijack metabolic processes like the Warburg effect and create defend themselves using using a bunch of different mechanisms that are the same for cancer and parasites.
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  So the two that I mentioned uh the chromosomal anaploid and the unentrained biological clocks are two lesser known um similarities between cancer and parasites.
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  So cancer cancer is a parasite, and I think it's it's something that transitions from self to non-self.
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  So the dimension is not seen, is not there.
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  It's a it's an abstract dimension.
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  The dimension of self is abstract, you know, it doesn't exist, you can't measure it.
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  It's in a it's an emergent feature that uh that you can only see in what I call the fenbendazol lens.
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  And you know, the the great thing about fenbendazol is it's it's an actual cure.
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  So then you can take what you know about fenbendazol, and you know, down the road will be ivermectin and mbendazol, and you know, there's a there's a lot of things that cure cancer.
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  But what with you looking at the fenbendazole lens, you can say, well, wow, you know, how come fenbendazole is so complete and lethal to the cancer cells with no side effects, yet all these standard of care treatments that are very similar to fenbendazol aren't how why is it that fenbendazol eliminates the side effects?
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  Well, you have to look at the structure of the of the other uh standard of care drugs like the Vinca alkaloids and the taxanes, they're actually based on the fundamental mechanism of microtubule disruption that fenbendazol is based on.
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  Of the other uh standard of care drugs like the Venca alkaloids and the taxanes, they're actually based on the fundamental mechanism of microtubule disruption that fenbendazol is based on.
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  And so whether they are knockoffs of fenbendazole or not is unknown.
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  And so whether they are knockoffs of fenbendazol or not is unknown.
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  That's a good question.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, and what makes me say that.
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  Yeah.
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  So what makes me say that is like a lot of people think, you know, we've been trying to cure cancer for a hundred years.
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  Either we're really stupid or they're suppressing cures.
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  Yes.
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  I mean, you kind of have that like instinctual knowledge that we can't be this dumb.
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  So I'm gonna do that.
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  All the money that we put into cancer.
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  So it so the whole idea of the cancers parasite book is to simplify what cancer is and to have a model that this is a bug that we can kill.
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  We already have the tools to kill it, but to kind of answer my own question.
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  I'm sorry, I'm running on here.
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  But back in as course of doing the research for the book, I came across a paper that had this word in it.
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  Do you see onchodazol?
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  So scientists in Brussels had discovered that an antiparasitic that they actually gave this name to onchodazol.
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  That's all is like fenbendazol, an antiparasitic that they had developed, very similar to fenbendazol that cured cancer.
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  And in petri dishes in animals.
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  But the way science works, and this was back in 1975.
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  So 50 years ago.
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  The way science works is you what's being published is just the tip of the iceberg.
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  Usually you're doing parallel experiments all simultaneously.
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  So these scientists, when they original originally discovered that they had a cure for cancer.
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  You know, it'd be like you know, the far side, you know, where all the scientists are like, you know, or uh big bang theory, you know, that's how they they really are.
• 23:23
  So Bill, I'm gonna have to hurry you up here a little bit.
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  We're coming up to a break, and I have a whole bunch of questions.
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  Sure.
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  What we want to go through here.
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  So we're coming up on a hard break in just a couple of minutes.
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  So why don't you finish your thought here?
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  When we come back, we'll we'll move a little bit quicker.
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  So okay, yeah, just basically uh onchodazol as uh fenbendazol as a cure for cancer, it's been known for at least 50 years.
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  And they suppress the whole thing and they bear the channel, you know, in your book you talk about, they changed the name of Uncle Benzazol to uh other names, so they hid it for 50 years that we've known that this this was a possibility.
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  Let me ask you one quick question before we go to the break here.
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  Fenbendazole is part of a family of medications in humans and animals called benzimedoles, I think that's how you pronounce it.
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  And if you talk about uh you list all of many of them in your book and you describe what they are.
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  Um, why is there so much emphasis and make your answer short on this?
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  So much emphasis on fenbendazole as opposed to the other ones.
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  Because you it's inexpensive and you can buy it on Amazon.
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  The other ones, mabendazol, you have you have to have a prescription to get it.
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  That's based that's the short answer.
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  The longer answer is it appears that fenbendazol is actually the better substance compared to mobendazol, and we can get it get into that after the break if you want.
• 24:47
  Yeah, it's um um but uh your explanation of all of those, and you show how they all also treat parasites in animals, just do a little better job than others.
• 24:57
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  William Supple about his very important book, easy to read, but a manual, a user's guide that anyone should get a copy of this and look through it for your for your present tense or potentially future of cancer health in your body or in the in your friends and family.
• 31:51
  The title of the book is Cancer is a parasite.
• 31:54
  Kill it with a safe over-the-counter antiparasitic fenbendazole.
• 31:59
  The book blends groundbreaking research, a lot of history, uh case reports, and creates a new model for cancer as a parasitic process.
• 32:09
  Um let me give you a little bit of update, a little bit more information about today's guest.
• 32:14
  Dr.
• 32:14
  William Supple is a neuroscientist who contributed foundational work on the brain stem participation in learning, memory, and emotion.
• 32:23
  In addition to teaching standard brain behavior classes, he developed a popular sports psychology course at the University of Vermont.
• 32:31
  He dove into this through personal experience.
• 32:34
  Bill, welcome back to the show.
• 32:36
  I mean, we've we've got about 20 minutes left in the show, and I've got so many questions.
• 32:40
  So I really want to kind of move this along.
• 32:44
  Um, you know, cancer when goes into commission remission or is completely gone.
• 32:49
  I mean, you dare to say the cure word with fenbendazole uh because you know, most medical doctors are told not to say that.
• 32:56
  But if cancer goes into remission or is completely gone, do pin do people continue to take fenbendazol as a maintenance program?
• 33:05
  They do, and it really is a fantastic transformation.
• 33:10
  So a lot of the people in the case reports, and there's hundreds of them now.
• 33:14
  I just published 22 of them, but there's hundreds of them on the uh in the substack and literally thousands, tens of thousands elsewhere.
• 33:24
  I'm not the only person doing this.
• 33:26
  Um, you know, Dr.
• 33:27
  Macis is publishing a lot of them, and some entity called one day MD has about 400 specific case reports with all different types of cancer.
• 33:39
  And um the what was the question?
• 33:45
  Um do people take it as a maintenance after their yeah.
• 33:50
  So the transformation is when people start this, they were basically given up for dead.
• 33:54
  They had gone through traditional treatment, and basically the doctor said, you know, we can't do anything more for you.
• 34:00
  Then they discover fenbendazol.
• 34:03
  So a lot of these people were in what we call the throes of cancer stem cells.
• 34:09
  You know, the the cells that traditional treatment cannot touch.
• 34:14
  So they they they went from taking this animal pan antiparasitic.
• 34:19
  Gee, is it you know, is it gonna hurt me?
• 34:21
  Is it gonna make me sick?
• 34:23
  To I need it to live.
• 34:25
  I I absolutely need this stuff to continue to keep cancer away.
• 34:32
  Whether they need to do that or not, most people continue to take somewhat of a maintenance dose to they don't want to tempt fate.
• 34:39
  They don't want to rock upset the apple cart.
• 34:42
  The science just doesn't, we just don't know yet.
• 34:45
  Uh, all I can say with my mother-in-law with her breast cancer is it's completely gone.
• 34:50
  And there's a number of cases that it's completely eradicated.
• 34:54
  And I know oncologists are afraid to use the word cure because they don't have one.
• 35:00
  And that's the problem.
• 35:00
  And that's the problem.
• 35:02
  You know, so they'll come in, you know.
• 35:02
  You know, so they'll come in, you know.
• 35:04
  I I've I've dealt indirectly with hundreds of cancer patients, ex cancer patients.
• 35:04
  I I've I've dealt indirectly with hundreds of cancer patients, ex-cancer patients.
• 35:10
  And the first thing that an oncologist will say is we can't cure you, but we can give you more time.
• 35:10
  And the first thing that an oncologist will say is, we can't cure you, but we can give you more time.
• 35:16
  The question is, what is that?
• 35:16
  The question is, what is that qu is what's the quality of that time?
• 35:18
  What's the quality of that time?
• 35:20
  So a lot of people will wonder, you know, are you advocating that people not do traditional treatment?
• 35:20
  So a lot of people will wonder you know, are you advocating that people not do traditional treatment?
• 35:27
  Absolutely not.
• 35:27
  Absolutely not.
• 35:28
  That's not what this is.
• 35:28
  That's not what this is all about.
• 35:30
  This is all about identifying and recognizing that there is a low-risk, potentially high reward treatment that people can do either under the guidance of a doctor, which is not happening right now, or they can do it themselves.
• 35:46
  They can self-treat.
• 35:48
  And people don't really care what works, just that something does work.
• 35:53
  So if you're going to go traditional, and there's a lot of family dynamics where you know you can't be treating yourself with doggy dewormer.
• 36:02
  The you can be, you can just add it as an adjunct.
• 36:07
  And what I'm hoping that this whole project accomplishes is that the powers that be will decide that fenbendazole is something that should really be looked at, not just because it's an you know it shouldn't be ignored because it's an animal drug.
• 36:29
  It treats the condition, not the species.
• 36:32
  And fenbendazole, as I said before, has some unique qualities that mabendazol, the human version doesn't.
• 36:38
  So mabendazole was designed to stay in the gut to treat parasites.
• 36:44
  So it tends to be less systemically available.
• 36:46
  There are ways to make it more available, um, but you know, all experimental still.
• 36:52
  Fenbendazol tends to be uh get into the bloodstream a lot better.
• 37:01
  So, you know, it we've had a number of uh glioblastoma cases, so clearly it passes through the blood-brain barrier.
• 37:08
  It's a very small molecular weight substance, so it can go through the skin.
• 37:12
  You know, some people are experimenting with uh DMSO as a carrier.
• 37:17
  Um there's a lot of excitement.
• 37:20
  We just need to get the legitimate scientific community involved and study this because it not only benefits the people with cancer now, it'll benefit their own families and themselves to have a legitimate cure.
• 37:36
  You know, we do we do a regular deworming her, you know, every month or every other month, even in farm animals, they do deworming protocols.
• 37:45
  Um somehow it's repulsive to Americans to think that they need to be dewormed.
• 37:50
  And you talk a lot about in your book, you list um, I think it's 131 different countries.
• 37:56
  Is that that's that number 123 different countries that use antiparasitics as part of their public health policy?
• 38:03
  They may not have quite the sanitation things that we're supposedly have here, like in India and Pakistan and some of the third world countries, but they use antiparasitics uh regularly uh because they feel like they're exposed to the dirt and the soil and the things they eat and being around animals, but yet the countries, I think there were 23 or 24 countries that don't do that regularly, and they have a much higher cancer rate.
• 38:28
  And you talk about that in your book.
• 38:30
  So it seems as though fen can be used not only as a maintenance program if you've already treated yourself and your cancer is gone, but to just use it periodically, maybe once a month, they say to take uh parasite drugs on full moons, and so like once a month or once every other month to as a as a preventative, and you talk about that in your book.
• 38:54
  Yeah, so there's a lot of moving parts in that question, but the the uh I can kind of circle back and kind of answer it in the order that might make more sense for people.
• 39:05
  Um the number one question that I get with fenbendazole and cancer is will it prevent cancer?
• 39:12
  Should I take this preventatively, you know, even though I have a few or no risk factors?
• 39:17
  That's really a tough scientific question to answer because you can't prove a negative.
• 39:24
  So if if you were taking jelly beans as a cancer cure and you didn't get cancer, you couldn't conclude that jelly beans prevented you from getting cancer.
• 39:33
  But sometimes we're just lucky, and we can answer that question because it was something occurring that's known as an experiment in nature, and the the uh deworming protocols that you talked about in the developing countries where they routinely deworm the population.
• 39:51
  India actually has deworming national deworming days, February 10th and August 10th.
• 40:02
  Hallmark probably makes a card for it.
• 40:04
  You know, it's a holiday.
• 40:06
  So they primarily deworm younger people, but also at-risk populations.
• 40:12
  So as you said, there's 123 countries that routinely deworm the population through mass administration of antiparasitics like fenbendazole.
• 40:21
  The drug of choice there is something called albendazole, which is very similar to fenbazole, but it's twice a year.
• 40:28
  And like you said, these countries, when you look at the cancer incidence rate, have half the rate of the countries that don't.
• 40:36
  And the countries that don't are places like the US, most of Europe, Australia, uh, the more wealthier countries.
• 40:45
  So the question is, well, why don't we deworm the population?
• 40:49
  Is it that we don't have worms?
• 40:51
  No, we we are infected.
• 40:53
  If you have pets, if you eat vegetables, the the eggs are ubiquitous, they're they're everywhere.
• 41:00
  We are just as infected as anybody in India.
• 41:04
  And it's we've been whistling through the graveyard on this for quite a while.
• 41:08
  And actually, that some CDC scientists in the uh 2012 era, led by Peter Jotes.
• 41:16
  Do you know who he is?
• 41:18
  So he's kind of a gained notoriety during COVID.
• 41:24
  So he did a series of studies, basically blowing the sounding the alarm that Americans have a parasite problem.
• 41:33
  And he estimated that up to 60 million Americans have are infected by their cats with toxoplasmosis sort of a thing.
• 41:44
  Or toxo gondi or something like that, I forget the names of it.
• 41:48
  So and he listed five or six other parasites that are epidemic.
• 41:53
  So the question is why don't we treat for parasites in the US when we clearly have them?
• 42:00
  So the the book goes into the detail that the epidemiological signal, anti-cancer signal in the developing countries can't be due to geography, genetics, diet, climate, any of the other excuses that they use.
• 42:00
  So the the book goes into the detail that the epidemiological signal, anti-cancer signal in the developing countries can't be due to geography, genetics, diet, climate, any of the other excuses that they use.
• 42:20
  The only thread that makes any sense is the population scale use of anti-parasitics with proven anti-cancer.
• 42:20
  The only thread that makes any sense is the population scale use of antiparasitics with proven anti-cancer capabilities.
• 42:31
  So to answer your question completely and go back to Dr.
• 42:36
  Merritt.
• 42:37
  Can the cancer can the parasites being untreated in the Western world be causing cancer?
• 42:46
  Yes.
• 42:48
  What parasites do is they create when you're infected with parasites, by definition, they are subthreshold, subclinical, and you don't know that you're infected.
• 43:00
  Obviously, if you knew you were infected, you would take action to get rid of them.
• 43:03
  They're designed to be a cult and to fool you that they're there.
• 43:09
  So in people who don't treat for parasites, you have you are infected.
• 43:15
  You know, you're fooling yourself if you think you're, you know, that they treat your dog every three months and you don't have the same parasites.
• 43:23
  The same parasites infect both of us.
• 43:26
  The issue is why don't we do that?
• 43:28
  Well, um, I don't know why, but I would like to see health and human services take a hard look at the infected, how widespread parasitic infections are in the US population, because I think it's a risk factor for cancer.
• 43:48
  So undiagnosed, untreated, subthreshold, parasitic infections create chronic inflammation.
• 43:56
  And chronic inflammation is in addition to age, the number one cause of cancer.
• 44:03
  So if you have chronic inflammation in your gut, you know, in other areas, your body is your immune system is always activated and eventually it gets exhausted, just like with COVID mRNA shots.
• 44:17
  So it's the same sort of mechanism where you can become uh it's a risk factor that we that would be easily treated.
• 44:25
  But depending on who you ask, there's a reason why we don't deworm the population in the rich countries because that would kill the market for oncology drugs.
• 44:35
  There's that, and there's also the idea that oh, that that would mean there's something wrong with our food supply and put everybody on on guard.
• 44:42
  But I think that what you said, uh, to sum up a little bit about what you said is spot on when you said that at the very least, at the very minimal, uh, parasitic disease is a risk factor for cancer.
• 44:54
  That's at the lowest minimal end.
• 44:56
  And then the hardest would be it actually contributes to cancer or causes cancer.
• 45:01
  Either way, if there's something as simple as membendazole and and fenbendazole and ivermectin to get it out of your body, why not?
• 45:09
  Are there any cancers that have been reported that are resistant to fembendazole and don't respond?
• 45:16
  Well, the uh the the blood cancers are treated quite well with existing therapies, so a lot of people will just go to traditional.
• 45:28
  Um what I've seen, the short answer is if it's a solid tumor of epithelial origin, meaning the main cancers, lung, breast, prostate, colon, um, bone cancers, um, fen ben's effective.
• 45:49
  Now, that doesn't mean that it's going to be effective on all cancers.
• 45:54
  Most of the cancer, the patients that have decided to self-treat went through traditional therapy.
• 46:02
  My mother-in-law is an outlier.
• 46:05
  She opted not to do traditional therapy, primarily because of her age.
• 46:11
  So she is like, in my mind, the prototypical um typhoid Mary of cancer, fenbendazole, and cancer, because she has she had a more or less pure response, not confounded by traditional treatment.
• 46:28
  She did have the two minor treatments, but that would never account for her dramatic loss.
• 46:34
  So the other case reports had gone through traditional therapy.
• 46:40
  Obviously, they were uh terminal, given up for debt.
• 46:46
  Then they started fenbendazol.
• 46:48
  So there could be a latent unappreciated interaction between the prior therapy and then fenbendazole later, which would be great.
• 46:59
  I mean, that would be the science shows that fenbendazol potentiates just about every traditional treatment, whether it's radiation, the taxane, vinca alkaloid drugs that we were talking about before, but also the Chinese have found that it potentiates the immune checkpoint inhibitors like ketrudin.
• 47:20
  So the question becomes well, what's doing the heavy lifting?
• 47:24
  Is it fenbendazol or is it the traditional treatment?
• 47:26
  And we kind of need to find out fairly.
• 47:31
  We have to give it a fair shot.
• 47:32
  We can't have big pharma do this research because they'll kill it in the cradle.
• 47:36
  We need to have people with who are ethically motivated.
• 47:42
  We've been doing this crap for a hundred years.
• 47:46
  And there are a number of cancer cures out there that are just suppressed and repressed.
• 47:53
  And that's bull.
• 47:55
  I mean, the both of my parents died from my dad died in 2017 from uh kidney cancer, and my mom from cervical cancer in 2003.
• 48:07
  That really pisses me off that this was known all this time, and it should piss everybody off who has seen somebody they love die of cancer.
• 48:18
  That's the bad news.
• 48:19
  We can't go back and fix that, but we can move forward.
• 48:23
  And you know, my message to big pharma is there's just as much money to be made in preventing people from dying of cancer and going on the preventative route, just make it work.
• 48:37
  I mean, uh what they're doing now does not work, you know, it's fail.
• 48:43
  Change what you're doing.
• 48:44
  Get look at antiparasitics, you know, find out, answer the question that you just asked me.
• 48:51
  When doesn't it work?
• 48:52
  And I've asked on the website on the Substack from day one, send me negative results.
• 49:00
  No one does.
• 49:00
  No one does.
• 49:02
  You know, we I've interviewed other people that we've talked about uh conventional chemotherapy, and that the cancer cells become because of their survival mechanism that we you talked about about their internal clock, they develop resistance to the chemotherapeutic agents.
• 49:02
  You know, we I've interviewed other people that we've talked about uh conventional chemotherapy in that the cancer cells become because of their survival mechanism that we you talked about about their internal clock, they develop resistance to the chemotherapeutic agents.
• 49:17
  That's why in the first round, you can the chemotherapy works and they can uh suppress all that.
• 49:17
  That that's why in the first round, you can the chemotherapy works and they can uh uh suppress all that.
• 49:24
  But the chemotherapy doesn't kill the cancer stem cells, which is another place.
• 49:24
  But the chemotherapy doesn't kill the cancer stem cells, which is another place that you talk about in your book where the fenbendazole works.
• 49:33
  It's the source cells.
• 49:34
  That's why people go into remission and then they have a recurrence because the what actually caused the cancer, the stem cells are still alive and they cause this recurrence and they become resistant the second round.
• 49:45
  They're they've developed a resistance mechanism that they that they fight against the chemotherapy, but that doesn't happen with fenbendazole, which is another reason why your book, Cancer is a parasite, kill it with a safe over the counter antiparasitic fen benazol is so incredibly important.
• 50:02
  And you know, we only have just a few minutes left on our conversation here today.
• 50:05
  Well, I want you to tell people, you know, and I think we've done a pretty good overview of what fenbendazole is and why people should take a look at this.
• 50:14
  Uh, but why should people tell people why they really should buy your book and have it in their personal library, maybe even a couple of copies, so that when they need it and they need to give it to a friend or a family member, they've got an extra book an extra book right on hand.
• 50:29
  Tell people why they should have that in their library.
• 50:33
  Well, I think uh primarily because it explains from start to finish what fenbendazol is all about.
• 50:42
  And I think you know, if you want to self-treat or help a um loved one self-treat, you kind of have to have the information handy.
• 50:53
  You can get a lot of it online, but you you never know it's organized in a way that's meant for the general public.
• 50:59
  So I think that's one reason.
• 51:01
  Two, it kind of explains why your doctor doesn't know about fen benazol.
• 51:06
  And it's not your doctor's fault, it's that it's been suppressed.
• 51:10
  Your doctor is a victim of this suppressed information as well.
• 51:15
  You know, that your doctor would uh heartily endorse fenbendazole if it was FDA approved, and that it was uh because it's effective.
• 51:26
  So we we have dotting the eyes and crossing the T's left to do.
• 51:32
  And I'm hoping with the new administration that we can fast back fast track fenbendazol and a bendazole and ivermectin and actually come up with cancer treatments that actually work, and we are there now.
• 51:47
  Have you had an opportunity to speak with Marty McCari, the head of the FDA or Jay Batakari at the NIH or even Secretary Kennedy, or get your information from your website from your sub stack, which is just amazing.
• 52:00
  Uh, there's so much information there.
• 52:02
  And then you've sort of condensed it into this book that's so very readable.
• 52:07
  Have you had an opportunity to get this into the hands of any people at the highest level of our government?
• 52:12
  Well, my publisher is Skyhorse and Skyhawks publishes RFK Juniors books.
• 52:18
  So I'll just leave it there.
• 52:20
  Well, yeah, and he and Bobby are good friends.
• 52:22
  I mean, I'm part of Maha Action, and I go down to DC.
• 52:25
  I've spent more time in DC in the last year than I have my whole life, you know, going to those meetings and talking to people.
• 52:31
  So that's really really good news of uh what they can get it into the hands of that.
• 52:37
  Yeah.
• 52:37
  Tell people what your um how to how to access your substack because your book is really good.
• 52:43
  Uh, your substack is more accessible, obviously, because it's electronic to people.
• 52:48
  Tell people where they can reach your substack and read about that.
• 52:52
  Yeah.
• 52:52
  So the uh the web address is fenbendazol.com.
• 52:58
  And I fendazol.com.
• 53:01
  Your uh pen name of Ben Fen.
• 53:03
  Yeah.
• 53:04
  Well, this is what so a lot of people want to know what fenvent looks like.
• 53:07
  So you can buy it on Amazon like this.
• 53:11
  Uh, you know, that's what my mother-in-law used.
• 53:13
  I'm not endorsing any brand.
• 53:15
  There's a lot of them on there.
• 53:17
  And you know, this is another version that's made in in the US.
• 53:23
  And then there's actually a cream.
• 53:25
  Uh uh fen benazol cream that I actually use on like uh topical things.
• 53:37
  Because I'm in the sun a lot.
• 53:38
  So I just put it on, it'll dry up, turn red, dry up, flake off, and it's gone.
• 53:44
  So it treats topical uh cancers as well.
• 53:48
  You actually talked about that in your book about using the topical creams, maybe big stem with the little DMSO for as a carrier to have put it into the cells a little bit more uh directly.
• 53:58
  And it did a you know, a woman that you talked about in the book that had a cancer on her finger, and it really really cured things and really took things away.
• 54:07
  So that's really good.
• 54:08
  I'm glad that you showed those things because it seems that there's a variety of options.
• 54:14
  Right.
• 54:14
  Sorry to interrupt you, but to kind of complete the whole circle.
• 54:17
  There's also a chapter in there on fenbendazole curing cancer and dogs, because you would expect that it's a it's a antiparasitic for that's meant for dogs.
• 54:30
  But like I said before, it treats the condition, not the species.
• 54:34
  So it's perfectly reasonable and expected that fenbendazole would eradicate cure cancer and dogs as well.
• 54:42
  And I have those case reports in there as well.
• 54:44
  And you know, people are crazy about their dogs, and they they feel uh, you know, hey, if I could I could save them from this terrible affliction, I'm gonna do it.
• 54:55
  So I get a lot of animal questions as well.
• 54:59
  Absolutely.
• 55:00
  We love our pets sometimes more than our children, I think.
• 55:04
  Because they always love us and they don't mouth back and they don't make a mess and you know all those sorts of things.
• 55:09
  Well, this has just been incredible information for our listeners here today, uh, because it's it's so so very important uh to get this information out.
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  It's just been suppressed and hidden for 50 years in the medical literature, but it's still even been suppressed in the mainstream media, you know.
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  Uh even during COVID and all those things.
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  Dr.
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  William Supple, in your book is so incredibly important.
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  Uh, cancer is a parasite, kill it with safe over-the-counter antiparasitic van benazol.
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  We have it available in our bookstore.
• 55:40
  All of our guests are that we interview authors and documentary filmmakers, all of their books are in one place.
• 55:45
  If you can that bookstore.drtempity.com, bookstore.drtempity.com, just to make it easy.
• 55:52
  You can find it there.
• 55:53
  You can find it also in place, other places where where uh books are stole or sold.
• 55:58
  So I want to thank you so much for being with us today and sharing this incredible information.
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  us today and sharing this incredible information.
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  I hope you keep it up and keep on Tony to get this information in front of Bobby, because it's really important and needs to be there and put into the NIH and to the FDA for sure.
• 56:02
  I hope you keep it up and keep on Tony to get this information in front of Bobby because it's really important and needs to be there and put into the NIH and to the FDA for sure.
• 56:12
  So thank I want to thank uh with all of that.
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  So thank I want to thank with all of that I want to close out with one of the favorite verses in the Bible I close all of my podcasts with whether they are live or pre-recorded which is uh Romans 12 12 rejoice in hope be patient in trouble and be persistent in prayer and get your fen Bendizal and pre treat yourself and your dog and to get to make sure that this cancer doesn't come into your life and that you know this is a gift from God.
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  I want to close out with one of the favorite verses in the Bible.
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  I close all of my podcasts with, whether they are live or pre recorded, which is uh Romans 12 12.
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  Rejoice in hope, be patient in trouble and be persistent in prayer and get your fenbendazol and pre treat your.
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  Use it use it and take it seriously so thank everybody for listening thank you everybody for being here we'll see you tomorrow or the next time right here on the 10penny files at 3 p.m eastern Monday through Friday thank you so much everybody have a good rest of your day goodbye and God bless