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Emissions law madness and the new Lexus GX · The Driver's Show

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  Speaker 2: For how woke California is?
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  Speaker 4: It is?
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  Speaker 2: It is a grim place at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: So I was over there and we'll chat about this
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  Speaker 4: shortly in the States to talk to drive the new
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  Speaker 4: Lexus GX. But after that drive, I went to Los
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  Speaker 4: Angeles to film some extra content. And while Arizona, where
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  Speaker 4: we went for GX, is absolutely stunning, amazing, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's just cool.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a cool spot.
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  Speaker 4: Los Angeles has really just descended into San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: My goodness, that is a joint you did not want
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  Speaker 2: to go near.
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  Speaker 1: So it's the mecca for the holy homeless.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but just very quickly.
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  Speaker 4: It is sad what it has become because not only
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  Speaker 4: is it very expensive, and that is just for a
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  Speaker 4: US resident. It is very very expensive if you're going
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  Speaker 4: there as an Australian because that dollar sucks. But if
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  Speaker 4: you're over there and you don't have a job or
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  Speaker 4: you don't really own much money. I just don't understand
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  Speaker 4: how anyone's surviving. And you can see why there are
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  Speaker 4: so many homeless people, but they just keep jacking the cost.
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  Speaker 2: Of everything up.
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  Speaker 4: They're pushing everyone into these expensive evs like it is
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  Speaker 4: just a bit of a disaster.
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  Speaker 1: So Webby, what always sort of like throws me is
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  Speaker 1: in different states in America, there's different tax laws and
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  Speaker 1: different healthcare systems as well. So if you live in Texas,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, you kind of can get a better deal
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  Speaker 1: on things like medical and tax benefits and stuff like
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  Speaker 1: that where he's in La Oh Jesus.
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  Speaker 2: But it's even down to stuff like fuel.
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  Speaker 4: So in Phoenix, we were staying just outside Phoenix, fuel
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  Speaker 4: was like two dollars eighty US a gallon. In Los
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  Speaker 4: Angeles it was closer to five dollars a gallon. So
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  Speaker 4: I just I really don't understand how you can have
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  Speaker 4: such a discrepancy when this joint is, you know, one
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  Speaker 4: thousand kilometers away here at least you know it is
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  Speaker 4: similar in terms of fuel. It's not going to be
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  Speaker 4: dollars of difference. So yeah, I just think it's it's
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  Speaker 4: a bit of a broken country at the moment, So
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  Speaker 4: I'll be interested to see how they fix all of that.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's not not a good situation.
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  Speaker 1: I've been divided for a long time too, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it hasn't gotten better at all. Despite whether
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  Speaker 1: you're a Trump guy, whether you're a who's the sleepy
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  Speaker 1: old man, the demension guy Joe Biden, whether you're a
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  Speaker 1: Biden guy, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Waiting for that guy.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like die mid press conference.
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  Speaker 2: He genuinely has no idea where he is.
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  Speaker 4: They got him the other day because this is two
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  Speaker 4: into a politics podcast, but I watched a feverit and
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  Speaker 4: news while I was over there. They got him for
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  Speaker 4: hoarding classified documents, which is exactly what they got Trump for,
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  Speaker 4: and one of the people that was investigating said something
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  Speaker 4: along the lines of.
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  Speaker 2: He's a well meaning elderly man with a bad memory.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, you've just said that about your president,
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  Speaker 2: and one of the guys in the way are Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I just craped my pants.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, we'll talk more about the LEXUSJX shortly, and
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  Speaker 4: I might even I'll touch on it now. Just some
• 4:35
  Speaker 4: of the stuff that we did outside of the GX
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  Speaker 4: launch in Los Angeles. We drove the Twitter rad Fall Prime,
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  Speaker 4: which is fantastic. So that's basically the rad Fall that
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  Speaker 4: we get, but it's a plug in hybrid and it
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  Speaker 4: does zero to one hundred and under six seconds.
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  Speaker 1: She is phenomenal, tchnique.
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  Speaker 4: Really efficient, very easy to manage and drive. We also
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  Speaker 4: drove the Keya Tell You Ride the x Pro, which
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  Speaker 4: is the off road version on All Terrains.
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  Speaker 2: Almost got shot by a lady.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I just presumed I was where it was going to
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  Speaker 2: escalate that this was American American dotter pretty much.
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  Speaker 4: She came and started yelling at us for using the
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  Speaker 4: filming on this land that she claimed private America.
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  Speaker 1: Get on my land, Hey, stop pouring the kids shoes.
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  Speaker 1: But I asked her, so whose land is it?
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  Speaker 4: Just because I'll go ask permission if it's not okay,
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  Speaker 4: because I was genuinely like, well, I don't want to
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  Speaker 4: film here if it's someone land and she goes, I
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  Speaker 4: think it's the guy up there, and I said ok
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  Speaker 4: I said do you have permission to be here?
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  Speaker 1: Because she was walking her dogs on it.
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  Speaker 4: And she's like yeah, And I'm like, but you don't
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  Speaker 4: know who owns the land. So I was like, all right, cool, Like,
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  Speaker 4: you just look like you probably hit the pipe fairly frequently,
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  Speaker 4: so I'm just going to get out of here before
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  Speaker 4: you come back and shoot me.
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  Speaker 1: I would have asked for a sweet deal.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, So I did that and also drove a
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  Speaker 4: rivianah yeah, yeah, yeah to the suv and that ended
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  Speaker 4: up being an absolute disaster. When it came to charging
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  Speaker 4: as part of the review, I thought, let's just shoot
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  Speaker 4: a bit of content on what it's like to charge
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  Speaker 4: a car in a state like California that is fully
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  Speaker 4: into EVS and outside of Norway is one of the
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  Speaker 4: more progressive sort of electric feed They kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of led the way with that sort of stuff. They
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  Speaker 1: really championed it.
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  Speaker 4: And I genuinely thought it was just going to be
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  Speaker 4: like a five minute video and everything was going to
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  Speaker 4: be great. It ended up being an absolute saga. It
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  Speaker 4: took us so long to actually charge this car, as in,
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  Speaker 4: find a charger that wasn't that didn't have a queue
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  Speaker 4: of ten fifteen cars.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was incredible watching that footage, unbelievable. I was
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  Speaker 1: blown away.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I'll have a video on that. Will chat
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  Speaker 4: about that in a bit more detail later.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, We thought we should talk about emissions laws.
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  Speaker 1: Do you want to start with that? Do you want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about emissions laws? Because they're sort of coming
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  Speaker 1: up and a few things have been and now it's
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  Speaker 1: now I'm going to go through my dumbass kind of
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  Speaker 1: understanding of this and then you can throw me over
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  Speaker 1: the coals and just tell me where I'm kind of right,
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  Speaker 1: because basically all wrong, Yeah, all right, all wrong, very
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  Speaker 1: much wrong. So Paul wanted to bring up emissions standards,
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  Speaker 1: and so I thought to myself, here we go. He's
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  Speaker 1: going to have like a little Pavais moment of I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to have an editorial. From what I can understand
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  Speaker 1: is you lower emissions, you lower the carbon footprint. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: Europe has been, I guess, leading the way on this.
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  Speaker 1: They kind of change the game when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: emissions full stop. And that includes the current industry. So
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  Speaker 1: the difference between Europe and Australia is Europe is very
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  Speaker 1: much mandated by laws. Australia is, well, we have these
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  Speaker 1: things called voluntary emissions targets. Now, from what I can
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  Speaker 1: get is we're not really accountable to even hit these
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  Speaker 1: targets at all. And I think in the last three years,
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  Speaker 1: we haven't. I think it's gotten worse. So we sell
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  Speaker 1: heaps of view, heaps of four wheel drives. The one
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  Speaker 1: thing I will say is when it comes to what
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  Speaker 1: causes high emissions, so Australia has really dirty fuel on
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  Speaker 1: the world market, on the world sort of scheme of
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  Speaker 1: it all, we've got dirty fuel which they're fixing. Well, yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of part of this whole thing. So we
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  Speaker 1: love our utes, we love our four wheel drives, and
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  Speaker 1: so this is going to make it tougher when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to new laws coming into force. What exactly was
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  Speaker 1: announced this week, I'm a bit confused at So all
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  Speaker 1: new cars, SUVs, light commercial vehicles, basically anything that's introduced
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  Speaker 1: in Australia in September next year, so that's twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: five has to go by the new Euro six D standard.
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  Speaker 1: Previous existing models will have to hit that by twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight. And that's to comply. Half the current models
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  Speaker 1: we've got on sale right now are Euro five So
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  Speaker 1: Euro six D is even stricter. Yep. With that, you
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  Speaker 1: don't just consider the type of car, You've got to
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  Speaker 1: consider the type of petrol that's going into it. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this is the weird thing. This is what I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: quite get, which you can get to in a second.
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  Speaker 1: But I know that we're going to be reducing the
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  Speaker 1: amount of sultware in our petrol, and I think this
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  Speaker 1: seems like it's going to be affecting octane ninety five.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, basically, and ninety one is the worst defender
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  Speaker 4: at the moment. If you look at ninety one rong
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  Speaker 4: fuel that we have in Australia, it is amongst the
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  Speaker 4: worst in the world for sulfur content, and that is
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  Speaker 4: why a lot of modern engines require ninety five or
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  Speaker 4: ninety eight ROND fuel to run.
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of European vehicles that are sold in.
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  Speaker 4: Australia have minimums because if you feed at ninety one
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  Speaker 4: it will basically destroy the engine. So yeah, that that
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  Speaker 4: is what they're looking at fixing. And they already fixed diesel.
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  Speaker 4: So the sulfur content in diesel is now sort of
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  Speaker 4: in amongst first world countries, but our unleaded fuel is
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  Speaker 4: amongst the worst in the world, and that's what they're
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  Speaker 4: looking at fixing.
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  Speaker 2: That's also the.
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  Speaker 4: One that they claim will only increase the cost of
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  Speaker 4: fuel by a cent or two cents a lead, which
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  Speaker 4: I just think is absolute nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be much more than that.
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  Speaker 1: So this is and that includes taking sulfur and stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that at or the rubbish.
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  Speaker 4: Ye.
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  Speaker 1: So basically what this I feel like, what this is
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  Speaker 1: going to sort of packed is things like youtes heavy
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  Speaker 1: duty kind of commercial vehicles, utes apparently like Niche sports cars.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what falls under Niche sports cars by
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  Speaker 1: the way, because yeah, anyway, it depends what you go with.
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  Speaker 1: But apparently some budget hashback models as well. Yep, so
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  Speaker 1: that don't really have the Euro six dy variants. That's
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  Speaker 1: sort of a big question will they survive? But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: where am I at with that? Good?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, now just give you one sect of triple checks,
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  Speaker 2: I think. So that's all sort of pretty much there.
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  Speaker 2: Just the sort of nuances of it.
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  Speaker 4: The way that it will work is manufacturers will have
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  Speaker 4: limits per vehicle that they have to meet. So this
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  Speaker 4: is average CO two emissions per kilometer across their vehicle fleets.
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  Speaker 4: So if you think of let's say Ford for example,
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  Speaker 4: and you've got all of the vehicles that they sell,
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  Speaker 4: basically they're going to say that let's say your limit
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  Speaker 4: is two hundred grams per kilometer or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: There's plucking that out of thin air.
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  Speaker 4: If their average sales mainly rangeer in Everest, which they are,
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  Speaker 4: what they'll need to do is basically figure out what
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  Speaker 4: amount above that average they're contributing to the environment for
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  Speaker 4: the vehicles that they sell, and then they will be
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  Speaker 4: penalized for that.
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  Speaker 1: So would they be inclined to be interested because they
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  Speaker 1: don't really just said they don't really have many evs.
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  Speaker 1: They've got the here in Australia, they've got the Mark three,
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  Speaker 1: the Mustang Mark three. I think they've got like some
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  Speaker 1: sort of a transit van too. Does that mean I
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: know they're working on like a small EV, but does
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  Speaker 1: that mean they'll be introducing more hybrids and evs?
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  Speaker 4: Well, exactly because logically you don't want to be paying
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  Speaker 4: these fines. But what happens then, and this is what's
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  Speaker 4: happened in Europe as well, car companies like Tesla that
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  Speaker 4: only make electric vehicles will get credits. So what you
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  Speaker 4: can then do is sell your credits to another car company,
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  Speaker 4: so Forward can buy credits from Tesla as they're fine.
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  Speaker 4: And this is how Tesla built its factory in Europe
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  Speaker 4: they basically had Alfa Romeo or the Stalantes group paying
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  Speaker 4: their credits to Tesla. Then Tesla used that money to
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  Speaker 4: create a factory. So that is the sort of gist
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  Speaker 4: of how it's going to work. Now, there are a
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  Speaker 4: number of problems with this though, So.
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  Speaker 1: One thing I will say is who created that rule?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is what they're doing to try
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  Speaker 4: and get people into cleaner vehicles, which I get it,
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  Speaker 4: it makes sense, but to put it into context, passenger
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  Speaker 4: cars and light commercial vehicles only contribute around ten percent
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more than ten percent of Australia's total emissions.
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  Speaker 4: So they are focusing very heavily on this one industry
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  Speaker 4: and it doesn't seem they're putting much effort into anything else.
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  Speaker 4: So the problem with this is that at the moment,
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  Speaker 4: you really don't have the ability for people to buy
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  Speaker 4: the vehicles that they need to be able to meet
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  Speaker 4: this requirement. Putting this in from twenty twenty five, if
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  Speaker 4: you're a tradee there is not an electric ute. Well
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: there is an electric ute, but it's rubbish. It's the LDV.
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  Speaker 4: So you're saying to them, okay, well, now you're forcing
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  Speaker 4: a car company to go Okay, well we're going to
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  Speaker 4: increase the price of this car because a car company
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  Speaker 4: isn't just going to take up all those costs. They're
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  Speaker 4: going to pass them on to the.
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  Speaker 1: Consumerw okay, so and they'll use that I mean that
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  Speaker 1: extra cost is credits right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean they're passing it on.
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  Speaker 4: There's no way a car company is going to go, okay,
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  Speaker 4: well we'll just absorb the cost of all this and
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  Speaker 4: just continue selling cars. They'll either withdraw a car from
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  Speaker 4: sale if they don't have a better engine, or alternatively,
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  Speaker 4: they will charge more for the car knowing that it's
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  Speaker 4: the only engine they have available. And you, as as
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  Speaker 4: a person in Australia that is buying a car, are
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  Speaker 4: either going to be forced buy an expensive EV which
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  Speaker 4: is what they are at the moment compared to internal combustion.
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  Speaker 2: Cars, or alternatively, you're.
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  Speaker 4: Going to have to pay more for an internal combustion
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  Speaker 4: car that doesn't meet these requirements. Now, the counter to
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  Speaker 4: that is that these car companies sell vehicles like the
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  Speaker 4: Ranger and the high Lux in countries that already have
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  Speaker 4: these requirements. So there are engines they already produce in
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  Speaker 4: other countries that meet these requirements. They will eventually bring
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  Speaker 4: those two Australia because obviously they don't want.
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  Speaker 2: To be fine.
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  Speaker 4: But the extra cost of all of that is going
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  Speaker 4: to get passed on to the consumers. So where they
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  Speaker 4: say here that Australians will save around thousand dollars per
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  Speaker 4: vehicle per year in fuel costs, who's saying that the
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  Speaker 4: government is absolute bullshit. There is no way it is
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  Speaker 4: going to I mean, these engines, yes, they are more efficient,
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  Speaker 4: but they're not going to save your thousand dollars a year.
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  Speaker 4: Then they further go on to claim that the average
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  Speaker 4: new vehicle purchase purchaser in twenty twenty eight claim to
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  Speaker 4: be looking at a saving of five seven hundred and
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  Speaker 4: ten over five years. It is absolute nonsense. There is
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  Speaker 4: no way you are going to be saving that much
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  Speaker 4: more fuel. In addition to that, the extra cost of
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  Speaker 4: the vehicle, which is going to be passed on to
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  Speaker 4: you as a consumer, is not going to offset the
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  Speaker 4: fuel saving either. So I just think that it's a
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  Speaker 4: great idea. Yes, we need to make the automotive industry greener,
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  Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera, but at the moment, you don't
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  Speaker 4: have vehicles for sale that are suitable for this if
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  Speaker 4: you have a look at what Australians are buying, which
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  Speaker 4: is utes and SUVs, and if you have a look
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  Speaker 4: in the States as well. I mean their biggest seller
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  Speaker 4: is the fine fifty huge, an enormous vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird too because you're looking at I know this
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  Speaker 1: sounds like a really basic thing to say, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: used to it now. When you look at like the
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  Speaker 1: consumption of what Europe are doing and how they're using
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  Speaker 1: their cars, it's a lot different to how we use
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  Speaker 1: our cars. And also what we consider, say a big
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  Speaker 1: family car, to what Europe considers a big family car.
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  Speaker 1: A fucking Volkswagen Golf over there is a family car. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The issue is they're parroting all this stuff out of
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  Speaker 4: Europe and it has absolutely no relation to what we
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  Speaker 4: do when they go on a road trip over there. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: they might travel longer distances, but you're traveling across built
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  Speaker 4: up areas, and it makes sense that you need to
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  Speaker 4: not be emitting as much through towns and cities across here.
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  Speaker 4: If you're traveling longer distances, you're in the middle of nowhere.
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  Speaker 4: A small vehicle doesn't make any sense. A small vehicle
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: doesn't toe. A small vehicle doesn't do a lot of
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: the things that the Australians that need to travel longer
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: distances are doing. So what you're doing now is penalizing
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: people who need to travel longer distances. In addition to that,
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: you then need to have a think about you've got
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: people that live in the country that is long distance driving,
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: but then in the cities you've also got people who
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: live further out because they can't afford to live closer
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: to the city. So these are people that are going
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: to be traveling longer distances by virtue it.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: In regional towns the fact that they can't afford it.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: So I just think that these are all and this
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: is exactly what we've seen in California right where you've
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: imposed all of these laws made it very hard to
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: buy the car that people actually want, so they're pushing
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: everyone into evs.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: And what we witnessed over there.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Which will be in the video that's coming out, the
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: public charging network is an absolute clusterfuck. We were waiting
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: hours to get to a charger. When we finally got
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: to the charger, the charger was either faulty or slow
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: because they had so many cars using it, and this
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: is in a country that has incredible ev uptake. And
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: according to this report from last year, there are over
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty thousand public charges across the US,
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: which was a forty percent increase over twenty twenty, so
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: they are increasing. The private sector has also committed more
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: than one hundred and twenty billion dollars in domestic EV
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: and battery investments in the States, and it still isn't
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: enough at all to cater for the vehicles they're selling
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: at the moment. And their uptake of EVS is between
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: ten and twenty percent in new car sales, so you
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: can just imagine that when that gets hold over here,
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: we don't have the infrastructure to support it. If you
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: don't have charging at home, you have to go and
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: charge publicly, which is expensive and often doesn't work. So
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: I understand what they want to do. I just think
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: it's far too early for Australia. It's not very well
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: thought out for the cars that people are buying, and
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: I guarantee this will cost consumers more. There is absolutely
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: no sugarcoding that this will end up losting more money.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: And this is an ev aid by the way, at
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: all by any means. It's I've always said, like, if
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I had sort of a perfect garage and the money,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: my daily commuter would probably be an ev It just
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: makes more sense.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: But you're in a privileged position to make that happen. Exactly,
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: a lot of people can't afford a new car, and
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: if you can, you can't then afford like a Tesla
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Model White, which is a family car, starts at seventy
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars. I just don't understand how they expect a
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: consumer to go, Okay, well, I was going to buy
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: a RAB four, but now I'm being forced into this thing,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: which is double the price.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Well, surely hybrids would meet this kind of these Euro
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: sixty standards right.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Exactly, And you've seen how much demand there is for those,
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: So I don't know, I think that, and even for
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: a hybrid, if you look at the RAV four that
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: runs on ninety one rong, so that runs on the
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: dirty fuel that we have. I suspect if they do
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: switch to an engine that is capable of these new
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: emission standards, it is going to be more expensive, and
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: that car is ready feel gone up in price anyway.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: But wait times as well, because I know I think Toyota.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I read some way at Toyota is slowing down their
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: production as well.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just think that it will be interesting
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: to see how this goes.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: For people who are privileged enough.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: To be able to afford a new car and a
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: privileged enough to also be able to afford a more
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: expensive new car because of this, or an electric car,
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: I don't think they'll probably care all that much. But
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: what is coming around the corner is fuel subsidy disappearing
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: and people getting charged per kilometer, And I think also
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: around the corner will be the removal of subsidies for evs.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: At the moment, there's been a huge groundswell for fleets
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: and people who are in jobs that allow them to
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: have an ovated lease rushing into evs. That we've seen
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: the second hand market tanking for evs because no one
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: wants to buy them secondhand. So I think that once
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: subsidies are removed, you're going to see the real state.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: And that's what's happening in Europe at the moment. Subsidy
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: is getting removed everywhere and the private consumer is not
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: buying as many of these as they were previously because
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: the subsidies are.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Gone, So yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: And you know, I do feel for the people who
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: can't afford to keep up with all of this stuff
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: because it looks great on paper, but if you go
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: to the average Australian, it's going to end up costing
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: them more.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I think we'll get better quality fuel, we'll get cleaner fuel,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: for sure. Obviously, hopefully your raptor will disintegrate and burn
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: down a cliff.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: That will be leaving my hands at a time soon.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: But I do agree. In the cities, like I used
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: to when our office was sort of near my place,
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: so used to walk to work and the thing I
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: hated the most was walking down Kingsway.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Walking And I did hate that. That was the first
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: thing I had Jesus.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: It sounded like a fat man squashing grapes. It was
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: just your man, but was slapping away.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: But walking down Kingsway, which is a four lane busy
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: commute into the city, it would be hard to breathe
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: because you had trucks.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: And cars and all that sort of stuff.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I totally agree that we need to be
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: stopping the shit that's spewing out of these cars in
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: city one hundred percent, So totally get it. I just
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: don't know that this is the correct way to be
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: going about it.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I wonder if, come late this year early next year,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: if a lot of dealerships will be slashing the price
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: of their cars because they don't want them on the
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: showroom floor in a sense, because what they've got to
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: do is they don't meet Euro sixty standards. They're going
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: to have to somehow comply because it's not really going
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to affect people who are you know, already driving around
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: in a you know, nineteen ninety two high lux or
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: something like that. They'll just continue doing that. Yeah, they
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: will just continue doing that, but.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: It won't be like overnight, ye near to go sell
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: your car. But if you do want a new car,
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: you're going to have limited options compared to what we
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: have now, and those options that you do get will
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: be more expensive.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: It doesn't feel as bad as it sounds. I just
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: can't imagine that.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: It doesn't right now.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Yes, just wait until you see the cost increase of
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: these cars. And if you're one of the unfortunate people
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: that buys an ev without home charging, just you see
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: what's happening in the US happen here where you just
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: cannot charge the car.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: What we saw during COVID that people are willing to
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: pay a shitload for above what a car is worth
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and wait out far longer than what a car is
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: worth waiting for.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: That was when interest rates were nothing. Now with the
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: cost of living, and it's going to take a while
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: to fix this cost of living issue. Even if they
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: reduce interest rates, you still have products that are very expensive.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: And if you look at what's happening in the States,
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: we spoke about this off air. I was shocked that
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: a meal at McDonald's. So this was literally sausage and
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: ek McMuffin, hash brown and a coffee, two of those,
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: which is what we ordered when we were heading out
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: to do some filming, thirty six Australian dollars.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Which, by the way, Paul says, that's for two people.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Paul actually put all that food between two pieces of
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: bread and ate it like a sandwich.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: There was no one else there.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was no one else there.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: But this is what I'm saying. It's that's what's happening
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: in the States at the moment. So you just wait
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: till that happens here here at the moment. Fuel is
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: very cheap. A lot of the stuff we have is
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: very cheap, so, but it's also expensive.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Like everyone's well starting to Yeah, people are starting to
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: rave on about and starting to catch on about. Hey,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: forty bucks fifty bucks down at my local Woolworths or whatever.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Used to be like half a shop for the week
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: or a quarter of a shop. Now it's just like
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: getting the overnight basics.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: It gets you the dishwasher tablets.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and these guys, and by the way, these guys
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: are now pulling in record profits like never before.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: The same with all the electricity companies. Yeah, so everyone's
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: making money.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Except there's greed there. Yeah. Speaking of the ev market,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the Evy game, the successor to the was it. The
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I eight, which is called the I sixteen was looking promising,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: It was looking great. It was like we got a
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: glimpse of it, and then things got a bit who
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: hard during COVID tough times, and then they've pulled the
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: pin on the whole project, which we're just looking at
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: this right now. This God, this is a great looking car.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, look, I think so obviously I sixteen
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: is I eight times two. But I think that the
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: I eight is still a sensational car, and I think
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: they're super cheap at the moment of secondhand vehicles, and
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: I just love the look of them. They're really fun
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: to drive, they're fast, they're just cool.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And whatever happened to them, by the way, because they
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: didn't sell great, they didn't make it. Did they not
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: make many?
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: They didn't sell great, But it is I stand by it.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: It is still great, a great vehicle to buy today
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: because it is just cool.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: It's beautiful.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, holds up this I sixteen just takes it to
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: another level. It looks sensational. So basically, the guy that
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: designed it, the design chief for the BMW brand, said
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: that it was another good kept secret. Prior to becoming
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: BMW's design boss, he was the head of design for
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: the M division and he basically was deeply involved in this.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: And he said that the outside and the inside were
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: totally finished and it was ready to go, but COVID
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: hit and they canceled the project, and he didn't divulge
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: much more detail. But yeah, just such a good looking car,
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: and I do hope that this finally gets another life
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: at some point. But they were basically going to recycle
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: the body, the sort of composite skin that the I
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: eight had, so it didn't need a huge amount of,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: you know, key architectural changes. So I just think it's
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: a it's a cool looking thing and unfortunately it'll likely
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: never see the light of day.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: The rear looks amazing, like it does look very concepty,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: but one that they could easily pull off, you know,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the I eight. We saw that in the I eight.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: It was very much what the hell is this? And yeah,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: they brought it out and it's a it's a fantastic
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: looking car. I've got Yeah, I've got nothing bad to say.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: The wheels are a crazy call. I'd hope that keep those,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you know, like the different orange wheels at the back,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: at the rear.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: It just looks bloody awesome. Yeah, absolutely awesome.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: What a shame. Yeah. What else got droop fed to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: us during the week. The R S six GT.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's an interesting one because what Audi is now
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: doing is all of their future cars that have even
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: numbers are going to be electric, and then the odd
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: numbers are going to be not electric. So the RS
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: six is going to become an electric vehicle. So this
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: is the last time you'll see an RS six that
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: is not not sort of fully electric and the GT
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: is basically the sign off for that vehicle. They'll do
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: six hundred and sixty units in total. Australia is going
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: to get about twenty of them, and it has this
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: incredible designs that it just looks absolutely bloody unreal. So
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: in terms of what is different here, so reworked Audi
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Quatro Sport differential for the rear axle to make it
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: a little bit more agile and rear biased, a new
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: coil over suspension tune. We don't know pricing just yet
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: for Australia, but basically they're saying that it's got a
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: higher spring rate, triple adjustable dampers, stiffer stabilizers so it's
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: going to be bloody firm, and then ride heights being lowered.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: So they've just gone to absolute town on this.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: The artwork kind of looks great too. I've got nothing
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: bad to say about how this car looks. It Just
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the speaker system in it just pops everything. The wheels
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: look at that.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: It is a stunner of a thing.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: So yeah, look, I still think this is one of
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: the best cars on the market today in terms of
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: just an overall performance daily driver. You can drive this
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: daily and then when you want to just unleash it,
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: it unleashes like it is. It is such a good car.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm a big fan of them.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Lexus GX. Should we talk let's talk it speaking of
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: good looking cars. Wow, we the Lexus GX.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: So let me give you just a bit of a
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: background on this car.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Tell me a little bit about the background. Power way,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about it.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: So this vehicle sits on a platform called TNGA dash F. Now,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: the reason that's important is because the three hundred series
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: land Cruise that sits on the same platform, so does
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: the Lexus lex. So the big big suv that's shared
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: with the three hundred, now, the new land Cruise a
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Prato is also on TNGAF. So the complication to that
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: is that all of these vehicles share the same wheelbase.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: They have slight differences in terms of length, but that's
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: just due to the body design. And it then means
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: that you've got the same vehicle but different pricing points.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: So the reason that's a bit of a complication is
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: that the land Cruise a Prito, which was always under
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: the bigger big boy land Creuse are in terms of
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: pricing and engines, et cetera, is now the same vehicle
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: with the exception of the engine.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: And because you.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Now have to have four of these, you've got to
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: have a land Cruise, a Prito, a GX which is
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: the land cruise, a Prato alternative, then.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: A three hundred.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Three hundred series, and then alexis Lex, yes, which is
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: top t You have to have enough differentia between them
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: so that you can actually provide value because the guy
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: that buying a three hundred series doesn't want the guy
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: in the Prado with a V six diesel as well,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: because why would you spend an extra fifty grand and
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: a three hundred series.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Now I said to you before, I was like, so
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: what's the difference between the GX and the Alex and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: you gave me a very sly level. Then I pulled
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: my pants up.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: So here's here's the issue.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Right, So this uses the same twin turbo V six
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: petrol engine that's in the Lex, except it's detuned.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Right and so, and then by the way they've taken
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: the V eight now is gone right.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: And a bit of background to the GX. This was
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: available I think for three generations in the US, and
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: the last generation of this was a V eight petrol,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: so look the same as a Prato pretty much, but
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: it had a V eight petrol as opposed to the
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: POxy four cylinder diesel. It's in the Prato, which it
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: will then carry over into this next generation, which is
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: just comical.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: So yeah, the GX is I think probably the best
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: value you're going to get in terms of luxury, off road,
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: K capable, and punchy, so it's got all of those things.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Still get the V six twin turbo.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: It's not huge money, so we don't know pricing just yet,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: but it'll likely kick off at around one hundred and
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: ten thousand before on roads. It's going to come in
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: three specs, so it's going to be Luxury, overtrail and sports.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Luxury overtrail is my favorite. So this is basically their
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: off road focused version, comes with all terrains. It's got
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: a very sort of aggressive off road. Look, there's a
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: color there that's very reminiscent of Sandy Torp, which is
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: the seventy series Hero color.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's the one they're peddling in all media
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: at the moment too. That's their big media car.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they've even thought about stuff. So you've got
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: integrated TOBAR with brake controllers that comes standard from the factory.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Down in front of the overtrailer, you've got a section
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: that can be removed to install stuff like a winch.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: They've thought about modification because in the States the GX
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: is heavily modified by people for off road driving, so
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: they wanted to give you one straight out of the box.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Comes with EKDSS, which is a new version of KDSS
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: that's electronic controlled, which gives you really good wheel articulation.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: So on paper, it's great in terms of the way
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: that it drives.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: We had a chance to drive this across some of
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: the roads in just outside Tucson, and not many corners,
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: so I can't really comment on how it handles. But
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: the engine is fantastic in a straight line. It's got
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: plenty of punch. The interior really nice luxury appointments. Looks
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: different to typical Lexus a lot of straight lines.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Very boxy, isn't it. And I don't have a problem
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: with that at all. I think that was my main
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: problem with Lexus in the past. I remember when you
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: asked me once what do you think of Lexus in general?
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: And I said, it just feels like an old man
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: chucking the golf clubs in the back of the car.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's changed now. They're really trying to bring that down.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I think they've achieved that with this too. I think
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: they really have it. It's boxy, it's there is nothing
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: swoopy that's been carried over from the past, previous models.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: This is it's a beautiful looking car, and it's still
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: it's still kind of meaty, you know, it's still aggressive,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: and it does have that off road stance about it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: It looks like it could still go anywhere. My question
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: is this is a lot of these four wheel drives
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: go it's a great off road, and they're a bit
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: sort of firm or whatever on road or vice versa.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: How's this one going like as an off road and
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: on road like package.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Well, they've got anti roll bars which can be disconnected
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: when it's off road automatically. But this overtrail also gets
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: adaptive damping, and so does the top speck. The entry
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: level on twenties, I thought road, Well, the top speck
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: is on twenty two, so I don't know what that's like.
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: We didn't get a chance to drive that, but yeah,
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: look for and the other complication again is the roads
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: were quite smooth where we were. I really need to
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: see this in Australia to see what it's like. But
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: it did have a couple of negatives though, So that
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: has the same issue that the Rounded series has, which
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: is the second road doesn't slide, which means you don't
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: really get the opportunity to give you third row much room,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: and as a result of that, it's not a great
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: spot for adults. You also can't get the overtrail in
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: seven seats. They do a six seat configuration as well,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: which again you can't do. The other thing as well
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: is that this comes with a four thousand kilo brake
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: towing capacity. In the States, the overtrail, we won't get
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: that in Australia. I don't think they'll probably bump that
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: down to thirty five hundred. So yeah, there's just a
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: couple of sort of odd, sort of little bits and
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: pieces there. But for the most part, this is actually
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: a fantastic vehicle and I'm just really excited to see
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: it here. From what I can see, it is going
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: to be sold out for a couple of years as
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: soon as they launch. So if you are actually interested
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: in one of these, I'd be going down and putting
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: your money down.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Lexus is predicted.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: We interviewed the boss of Lexus and he goes, they're
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: predicting twenty percent of their sales volume is going to
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: be overtrail. I'm like, I don't think so.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: I think it's going to be more like eighty percent,
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: which means they would have forward planned two or three
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: years ago to order only twenty percent of the allocation
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: and overtrail. And if most people are going to be
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: buying that, it's going to be sold out virtually straight away.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: That could be a deliberate he could be underselling that deliberately.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I do hope so, because I think this will be
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: incredibly popular and they're just going to have that issue
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: where it sells out because the problem they have with
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: the Prado, they're only launching that with a carryover effectively
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: two point eight leader diesel, and that thing is fairly gutless.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: In the Pridor at the moment, this will be heavier
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: and they're putting the same engine in it, So I
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: think everyone's going to be rushing in to get this
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: as opposed to the Prato. If towing and that sort
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: of stuff is important.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: To them, they've got plastic side steps on that.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: See the concept had rock sliders, which looked unreal. I
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: have a feeling rock sliders will be available as an
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: option because they have a lot of accessories you can
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: get with this. And I did notice those plastic side
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: steps out very cheap.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: The Raptor's got like a metal ye a black metal right, Ye.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: That would be better off doing that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: It does look good though, doesn't it. Those those sign
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: marrias are almost a little bit FJ cruise, Yeah, exactly,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: square sort of things.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Can I just also ask for your opinion on this?
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Actually yeah, I would put that away. There's probably a
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: cream for that. I'd go see a doctor soon. Did
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: you get that off, Donner? What's that?
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I'll say it's similar in color?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Oh God Jesus.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: But what do you think about my cowboy hat which
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: I got in in Scottsdale, fitted for my head and
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: accessorized for my head.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Do you think I'd be okay wearing that in public?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: And many men did? You? Fuck? So, give give us
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: another look. We're going to put that on. We're putting
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: that up.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's broad back mountain ball.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Did you actually buy that? And has your wife seen that? Yeah?
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: She loves it? Does she? Well she saw it last night.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: It was the only thing I was wearing.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Did she get the last sue out?
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know what that means, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: in Scott style, the mini Lau.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: That everyone was wearing. So I brought it back with me.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Did you did you? You drive the g X with that?
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Let's just pitch your pool right now. It is a
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: little cowboy hard donna next to him, wheel drive, smells
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: like a steak and seats burty bad roll you Mirrow.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Speaking of cool stuff, watch out a little paper, A
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: little package for you here, and a lot of it's illegal,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: so please don't talk about this the smoking stuff on
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: on the air. But a little little little package from
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: our good friends at Machines. Plus. We got some stickers. Yeah, yeah, we.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Got some stick while on the raptor Yeah.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Cups.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Oh nice T shirt as well.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Your T shirt there you go, triple extra large moo
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: moo size just for you.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I like that. But look at Theseus has been a
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: busy boy.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Gus has been a busy boy, Big ups to Gussie machines.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Plus these cups look amazing. Yeah that oh black and
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: white guys.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: So there's two there, ones for the Sydney Car Expert Office,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the other ones for the Melbourne one. Put next to
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: you go cutting trophies or whatever the fuck you want.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: To clear some room. I've got quite a few of those.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's such big achievements.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got to take a win review you can
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: in between getting sued.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's that's our latest stuff from machines plots.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Are we giving some of this away?
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I reckon, we give some away? And there's something I
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: want to talk to you about off are okay? Should
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: we read some questions? Yeah, let's do it. Oh you
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: know what I was going to say. I've been so
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: bloody busy. I haven't driven anything. I did sort of
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: spend a couple of days in the ConA Hybrid just
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: out of interest. It was pretty fun. But I did.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I did spend some time in seventy nine series actually
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: expect out.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Oh it's actually got some accessories.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh that's got a pie warmer in there. You
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: love that.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: It's actually got the fridge.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: It's got the shelving unit. It's got the I think
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: it's called a Dahady pop up tent up the top.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: It's awesome.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is nice. That's wild, isn't it. It's just
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: very nice those dirty life rooms to the big wheels
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: on it. I like the color too, Yeah yeah, same,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: that sort of silvery gun metal gray ericons the sweet spot.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Mind you you can't go past a sandy talk.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. Probably needs the The front grill is
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: going to be redone on that too, like the but I.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Don't hate that.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Nah.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know about the crime though.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Nah. Well that's good that that particular one's getting that
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: ripped off and something brand new. Who was it? That's
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: that's the good people that ignite h Q. Oh yeah,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: you're looking at the new spokesperson.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Good for they.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: We should read some questions. Oh here we go, all right,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: some some have come through. Where's the sponsors? Well this
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: comes from Intrigues Coop. Where's the sponsors? Well, if you
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: want to sponsor the show, feel free. We're looking into it. Yeah,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: we're looking into it. Look in all honesty, I can't
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: be but like a lot of people want to talk
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: to us about this.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: He had some trademark lawyers who wanted to sponsor the show.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. How much money was spent with them? Yes,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: by the way, there's another podcast out there with a
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: very similar name. If you'd like to buyers. We're clearly
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: putting out a better product than you. Will Trevor ever
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: come back? No, No, he won't, no fucking way, if
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I have anything to do with it, he will be back. Yes,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: he got off. Do you know what, though, he'll be
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: back in the sense that like we'll rock up to
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: record one of these and he'll be Holy guys, there's money.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: I've just come back from CCS and the complain and
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: bloody poling or.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: What did he show off the other day? Something ridiculous?
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I want to ask Trevor about
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the artist who we've spoken about before? Will I Am?
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Was that? That is it cs CSC Yes, and launched
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: an app and it's I can't remember what it's called.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: It's called like drivers sound, which, by the way, will
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I Am Drivers We own that word, so what will
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: be fucking yeah?
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: And someone owns the other word, Yeah, someone owns the
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: word word.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: So it's basically it's an app and they did it
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: in the Mercedes EV And the way you drive kind
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: of collaborate, like talks to the sound of the car,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: not like engine and stuff. It's like dance music or whatever.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Will go like if you're turning a corner real really
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: quickly when you accelerate out like.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: It's this sounds very annoying.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so this one this question. If you had
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: to pick one car to drive for the rest of
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: your life, what would it be? I'll drive the you go?
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: What would you drive? No, you go? What would you drive?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Just leave the jokes to me Champ?
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Sorry, of course, good question.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: I reckon an RS six an R It would just
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: be the ultimate. It's good for family, good for going fast,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: and just good for all sorts of fun stuff.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Is that the wagon?
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah? When are the Epps going up on YouTube? Slash
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: you porn? Wow? We do need to start checking these
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: up on YouTube to be honest. It's got to happen.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: It's just made it just fucking time. What do you
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: people think I do.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Just social media? Got to do it?
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that guy? What are the best cars you've
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: driven that immediately made you want to buy one?
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I bought two. The Supra. I drove that and I
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: thought I want to buy one, and then the Raptor
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: as well, drive that, and thought, yeah, I'm going to
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: buy one.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Actually, you didn't even drive the model the model, y
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: you just bought that, correct? Yeah, that was for my
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: wife pretty much. Yeah, G two three rs. But then
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I realized I couldn't buy one. Yeah, if that means
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: the mission laws, what's that? Yeah, I wonder if that
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: falls under specific sports cars like niche sports cars. Okay, yeah,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: if you had to pick one car to drive for
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: the rest of your life, yeah, fuck, I'd probably just
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: pick an old nine to eleven. Yeah. We had a
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: lot of requests for people to bring your stalker on
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: the pod. Which one, Well, Donna, this one is the
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: one that I fucking love this.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: Ah, this is so good that Paul Marinarus source Marrick
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: flog by the way, look, I know this is a
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: guy that's been giving you a ship, but credit where
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: credits due, Marinara Sauce.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Marrick is one of the funniest I've heard.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: And his little pussy hum a drag queen chariot. That's
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: so good. Did you see where's the King of the
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Belenz Peeni Paul should be pussy Paul.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: But anyway, but then I did google his name, yeah,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: her name, and did you see what came up?
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: No?
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: God, let me show you.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: In the meantime, I'm going to read this out. So
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: someone's been, someone's been what do you call it? Hating
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: on you, patrol or whatever? So where's that Paul Marinara
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Marck flog in his little pussy hummer drag queen chariot
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: give us a kiss? Love? And then where's the king
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: of balleens Peenie Paul bagtorship Canning Toyota? Again? Are we
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: you stay snuggled up with your man in your butt
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: plug raptor? I've always said that car probably needs a
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: bonus butt plug? Uh? Where where's fist and Marrick, biggest
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: fucking crook liar under the sun bed. He's in his
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: homo raptor playing doctors and nurses with qui. Okay, this
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: guy is proper. What is it with him and gay people?
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ, he looks destest ship. Oh my god,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: it's a woman. It's a man turned woman. Can I
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: talk about this? Okay? So how bearded overweight Matthew Avery
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: din became a beautiful, full blonde Sona. So the guy,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: oh okay, so the guy who's been rubbishing Marinara Marrick
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: over here and saying all this like, go back in
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: your home, ohammer Is was a beautiful bearded man with
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: some sort of hobo and he was slash.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: She became beautiful.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Well, hang on, I would say that beard is beautiful.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: It's lovely. So he had quite a bushy, fucking pew
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: patch going on, and then he became a beautiful blonde
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: called Sona. And I tell you what, not half bad.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I'd go, eh, I know you would, you definitely would.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: You'd wear the cowboy hat for her. Sure, Holy Jesus,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: he's made quite the transformation, hasn't he.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I'm fairly certain that that is the same person. So
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: there you go.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, Sona, Matthew whatever, reach out and
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I'll send you some driver's show merchant and naked photo
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: of Pavlo and his address.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: That was that. What a fun episode. Yeah, it was
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: serious and it was sort of It was very serious.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: This is what happens when I do research. Not a
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: good idea. So Trevor is probably going to be on
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the next one. We're working on a few things. And
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: by the way, there is a merch drop. It is
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: going to happen. I know we're going to be getting
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: any where. We're talking air freshners. Now we're talking t shirts.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Let's talk off air, because I want to know what
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: you I've got an idea about this situation. I just
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: just want to run it past you. If not, we'll
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: just fucking give.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Away many who get in touch with us. Yeah, and
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: if you're listening to this, we would love it if
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: you can. Obviously not while you're driving, but set yourself
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: a mental reminder and say, you know, hey, Siri, remind
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: me to leave a rating for the Driver's Show. Leave
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: a five star rating that please, because it would massively
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: help us. That would be amazing if you could do that.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: And if you do have any questions, contact at the
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Drivers Show dot com today you we'll hit us up.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: On the I g Yeah, there you go, let us
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: there you go. You're getting better with that. It used
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: to be hit us up on the social media. Guys.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: He's getting caught on now he's got his fucking heart.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Give us your hang on. I'm gonna put some I'm
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: gonna put some Canyon Arrow music going on. Let me
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: hear your let me hear your Cowboy.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Audi, Gordy.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, because that'll throw the scent of
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: the gay trail can row