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White Sox sign Seranthony Domínguez, Rangers acquire MacKenzie Gore, Beltrán speaks about 2017 scandal · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Let's charge. Right after the show, the Texas Rangers say,
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Speaker 1: you know what we're going to add to our starting rotation,
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Speaker 1: McKenzie Gore, come on down five prospects, and we will
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Speaker 1: inform you about what these prospects bring to the table,
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Speaker 1: at least right now in terms of their tools. We're
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Speaker 1: going to get you a little clip from JJ Cooper
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Speaker 1: very soon from Baseball America, but let's start with Gore.
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Speaker 1: Krats Rangers adding to a strength pitching has not been
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Speaker 1: the problem really for several years now, and they continue
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Speaker 1: to build on what makes sense given that there front
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Speaker 1: office leader Chris Young was a former pitcher, won a
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Speaker 1: World Series early on in his tenure running that front office,
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Speaker 1: and he keeps doubling down by adding someone who has
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Speaker 1: as much talent as any pitcher probably in baseball. Can
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Speaker 1: he put it together for a full season? Also, he
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Speaker 1: will not have to shoulder a load of being that guy.
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Speaker 1: All Right, it's Mackenzie Gore win day. Nationals are on
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Speaker 1: a four game skid. Now we need McKenzie Gore to
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Speaker 1: come in. No, the Rangers have plenty of other helpers Ebaldi,
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Speaker 1: de gram, Lighter and many more. So he'll slide in
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Speaker 1: nicely in a mid rotation spot, right he will.
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Speaker 3: And I think there's a lot of people, especially with pitching,
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Speaker 3: people are like, oh, he's you know, the potential that
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Speaker 3: this guy can show. You know, he just got to hit.
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Speaker 3: He did it the first half of the year. First
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Speaker 3: half of the year, he was going to end the
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Speaker 3: season as a top three cy young canon in the
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Speaker 3: National League. He was striking guys out at a major clip.
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Speaker 3: He was he was putting his team. He was going
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Speaker 3: deep into games for a team that just didn't have that.
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Speaker 3: I don't think shouldering the load is as big of
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Speaker 3: a deal for pitchers as it is for position players
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Speaker 3: that are like a hitter, the only hitter in a lineup,
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Speaker 3: that's the only guy carrying the lineup. Pitchers are really
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Speaker 3: they're very isolated. They play once every five days. Starting
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Speaker 3: pitchers they play once every five days, And to me,
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Speaker 3: I think his numbers will translate over. I'm a kind
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Speaker 3: of upset that mad Dog Mike Maddox isn't there anymore
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Speaker 3: to help out with the pitchers. But I'm sure who
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Speaker 3: they got is going to do completely fine. He's going
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Speaker 3: to be around you. Forget that. Mackenzie Gore is actually
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Speaker 3: still decently young, and in this rotation, he's definitely gonna
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Speaker 3: be young. He's gonna learn from ex superstar prospects in
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Speaker 3: de gram turned Cy Young Award winner eu Valdi has
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Speaker 3: gone through every stage of pitching changes that he's needed
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Speaker 3: to since he came up with the Marlins one hundred
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Speaker 3: years ago, and he still has his velocity. To me,
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Speaker 3: Mackenzie Gore took the next step that he needed to
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Speaker 3: in his career last season in the first half. What
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Speaker 3: happened in the second half, I don't know. I think
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Speaker 3: there's some defensive issues that the Nats had that I
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Speaker 3: think will be helped by what the Rangers do. I
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Speaker 3: think just the ballpark in general is gonna help Mackenzie Gore.
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Speaker 3: The one thing that he needs to take care of
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Speaker 3: is that whip. His whip to be a number one
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Speaker 3: type of pitcher, not number one in the staff, but
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Speaker 3: a number one type of pitcher, or even go from
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Speaker 3: like a three or a four to a two. He's
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Speaker 3: just got to make He's got to make teams put
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Speaker 3: the ball in play and not get such deep counts,
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Speaker 3: not walk so many guys trying to chase those strikeouts
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Speaker 3: because the strikeouts are there, and when the strikeouts are
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Speaker 3: there in a ballpark that is favorable to pitchers. To me,
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Speaker 3: I think he could have an unbelievable season because he's
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Speaker 3: not the opening day starter. He's not going to face
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Speaker 3: the number one and number two of other teams. He
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Speaker 3: might face the three or four that other teams are
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Speaker 3: bringing it up there, So I think that will just
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Speaker 3: automatically elevate his numbers.
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Speaker 2: Also, I was going to bring that point up the park.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you're you know you're pitching. You know, I
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Speaker 2: guess close whatever. It is a good amount of games
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Speaker 2: at that stadium. Some pop flies when we at the
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Speaker 2: track and be like, oh okay, all right, you can
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Speaker 2: take some more chances. He's a lefty to as well,
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Speaker 2: crafty throw as well. You know, you see this on
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Speaker 2: what the Rangers did to one year and then they
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Speaker 2: were getting guys and all of a sudden they made
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Speaker 2: that big run. So I'm excited for this. I've always
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Speaker 2: told Kratzer, I've always told you, Scott propessor prospects for
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Speaker 2: a reason. You want guys that have been there before
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Speaker 2: that I've done it. I'm not saying all five of
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Speaker 2: these guys can't be dominant players in the big leagues.
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Speaker 2: But guess what if you and far between us they
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Speaker 2: come up if this is a win for the Rangers
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Speaker 2: in my opinion, well.
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Speaker 1: Let's get more on those prospects, shall we, I mean
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Speaker 1: five prospects. Usually when I see that, I'm actually turned
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Speaker 1: off guys. Why because I'd rather get the one or
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Speaker 1: two gems that I really want. That's me. It's not
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Speaker 1: always the case. You might find your gym and get more.
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Speaker 1: But let's see what JJ Cooper from Baseball America has
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Speaker 1: to say.
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Speaker 2: One seck.
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Speaker 3: JJ's holding back. Come on, JJ, give us the info.
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Speaker 3: Don't be We'll get it.
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Speaker 1: We'll get it one sec. But anyway, and we're going
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Speaker 1: to talk to Ken coming up in a moment two
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Speaker 1: about this. There's one name that I knew pretty well
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Speaker 1: in Gavin Fien, who might end up being a first
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Speaker 1: baseman long term right now pegged I mean I think
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Speaker 1: drafted is ap, but more pegged as a third baseman. Kratz. Hey,
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Speaker 1: we went over this the other day with the Mets
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Speaker 1: return or the Mets trade package to the Brewers and
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Speaker 1: with Milwaukee. You read some scouting reports and they're like
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Speaker 1: Jet Williams could be a multi positional up the middle star,
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Speaker 1: and you read others that say he's going to be
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Speaker 1: an end of the bench utility player. You read some
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Speaker 1: that say Brandon's sproat's going to be a two or three.
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Speaker 1: You read others that say four or five or a reliever.
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Speaker 1: So that's the whole point here. If it was more
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Speaker 1: of a sure thing, you know, these guys are further away,
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Speaker 1: right You've got a guy who's just going through the
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Speaker 1: Tommy John situation. You've got another guy at the top,
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Speaker 1: one who was drafted out of high school and fiend
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Speaker 1: or fine, however, we're gonna say it. I don't know yet.
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Speaker 1: I don't know the guy yet. But this is someone
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Speaker 1: who's going to take a while to marinate. And for
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Speaker 1: the Nats, they're not competing this year, they're not competing
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Speaker 1: next year. They're going through a re rebuild right now.
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Speaker 1: It's painful for Nats fans to lose Mackenzie Gore, but
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Speaker 1: he wasn't going to be part of the next great
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Speaker 1: Knats team anyway.
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Speaker 3: And I think and I think this is the round.
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Speaker 3: Every team needs to do a different route. I think
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Speaker 3: the Nats the fact that Paul to Bony is taking
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Speaker 3: over an organization that means he's taking over whatever was
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Speaker 3: there in player development before. And quite frankly, they did
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Speaker 3: not develop a lot of players. They drafted dudes. They
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Speaker 3: drafted a lot of top five picks. They had Juan Soto,
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Speaker 3: they had all these top five picks or upper first
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Speaker 3: round type of like kind of can't miss prospects, and
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Speaker 3: then it was wow, fall off the table. They didn't
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Speaker 3: develop a lot of guys in their minor league system. Hey,
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Speaker 3: they were pushing to they were pushing from twenty twelve,
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Speaker 3: twenty twelve till twenty nineteen to win a World Series,
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Speaker 3: but at some point there they have to like develop
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Speaker 3: a little bit more. So they're behind. So for Paul
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Speaker 3: to Boni, he wants to get as many guys in
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Speaker 3: as possible and hopefully if he's willing to make those
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Speaker 3: changes in the minor leagues that he feels like you
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Speaker 3: need to make those changes. He saw it happen in
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Speaker 3: the Red Sox organization. He saw the Red Sox go
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Speaker 3: from not producing much to the hind bloom era where
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Speaker 3: they produced a lot of dudes, made the playoffs even
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Speaker 3: one year during that time. And now the Red Sox
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Speaker 3: are you know they have that they're paying dividends on that.
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Speaker 3: Hopefully Paul Taboney can build the same thing, and he
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Speaker 3: needs a lot of guys to do that, because I
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Speaker 3: think they're farm systems. Bear and Rangers fans do not
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Speaker 3: think this is the mark to share a trade where
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Speaker 3: you guys picked up Elvis Andrews, where you guys picked
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Speaker 3: up like five impact big league bats or five impact
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Speaker 3: big league players. That doesn't happen like we're gone in
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Speaker 3: those days when you see five guys what Scott was
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Speaker 3: alluding to. When you see five guys, you're saying, these
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Speaker 3: are all long shots. These are all when you see
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Speaker 3: a shortstop, a drafted shortstop that possibly could move to
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Speaker 3: first base, you're not getting the top tier sh players currently.
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Speaker 3: But as the system for Nats fans, you have to
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Speaker 3: be like, we got to develop these guys and make
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Speaker 3: them the best for our organization and Rangers fans, you
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Speaker 3: got what you need because Corey Seeger's time is running out.
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Speaker 3: Everybody's time is running out.
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Speaker 1: Exactly right. You got to take advantage of what you
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Speaker 1: have with this window and a really good starting rotation.
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Speaker 1: If you make the postseason, that could make another run
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Speaker 1: in a very competitive division right now with the Mariners
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Speaker 1: and the Astros, among others. So let's get the return
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Speaker 1: package here. The breakdown from JJ.
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Speaker 4: So what did the Nationals get back for Beckenzie Gore?
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Speaker 4: A lot of possibilities, but no kind of top one
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Speaker 4: hundred sure fire anchor prospect to this deal. Five players
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Speaker 4: getting back, there's a lot of possibilities here. The key
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Speaker 4: player in the deal is Gavin Feen. We know that
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Speaker 4: the Red Sox really liked him in the draft. Paul
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Speaker 4: Tablonney was running the Red Sox draft at that time.
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Speaker 4: He's now the Nationals head of baseball operations. And they
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Speaker 4: get Gavin Feen. He's a good bat and infielder, although
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Speaker 4: probably not a short stuff in the long term, could
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Speaker 4: be a top under prospect as players graduate off the list.
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Speaker 4: So he's the cornerstones to this deal. I would say
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Speaker 4: beyond that year, there's a lot of potential here, but
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Speaker 4: also far away or lower ceiling. Abby Ortiz is the
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Speaker 4: lower ceiling guy. He's actually probably the fifth player in
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Speaker 4: the deal. First Basemin with power, but kind of questions
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Speaker 4: about it. It's going to be enough of a bat
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Speaker 4: to be a first base only profile, probably a second
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Speaker 4: division regular at best. Devin Fitzgerald, who they got was
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Speaker 4: a fifth rounder last year in the draft, is a
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Speaker 4: very polished player who had a great acl infielder, but
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Speaker 4: the question is is that he going to have the
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Speaker 4: ceiling as a regular, could be more utility player. Jermy Cabrera,
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Speaker 4: the outfielder they got, is a really good center fielder.
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Speaker 4: Now let's see if he can hit enough to be
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Speaker 4: a regular. And then the kind of the wild card
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Speaker 4: in this deal is Alejandro Rosario, who had a breakout
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Speaker 4: season in twenty twenty four, missed all of twenty five
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Speaker 4: and will likely miss all of twenty six. He's had
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Speaker 4: a variety of medical issues and is expected to miss
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Speaker 4: the season with Tommy John surgery. So we are looking
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Speaker 4: at a twenty twenty seven return and we'll see how
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Speaker 4: well he bounces back after that. But he was looking
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Speaker 4: like a potential impactful arm before that. A lot of
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Speaker 4: possibilities here for the Nationals, But if you're thinking that
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Speaker 4: they were going to get a cornerstone kind of like
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Speaker 4: slam dunk prospect, I don't really see that in this deal.
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Speaker 1: Good stuff. JJ Hot Sheet by the Way live every
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Speaker 1: it out. Plus, they just published a fresh top one
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Speaker 2: Shake it up.
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Speaker 1: We got a little news. Sir Anthony Demingez and the
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Speaker 1: White Sox agree on a two year, twenty million dollar contract.
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Speaker 1: He's thirty one years old and he's expected to be
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Speaker 1: the closer for the White Sox. They're going to use
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Speaker 1: that money saved in Luise Robert deal to continue adding
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Speaker 1: this winter. This according to ESPN's Jeff Passing, Well, that
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Speaker 1: was quick. I will give them credit.
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Speaker 2: That was quick.
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Speaker 1: I debated this what yesterday or the day before two
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Speaker 1: days ago when the deal was made, right, Because yesterday
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Speaker 1: we went over to Freddie p trade for the Mets.
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Speaker 1: The day before is when we went over the Louis
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Speaker 1: Robert acquisition for New York. And if you're talking about
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Speaker 1: a White Sox team that certainly is not spending like
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Speaker 1: they should, you got to give them credit here. They
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Speaker 1: trade a player away who they've been talking about forever.
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Speaker 1: They got a prospect return, and I mean really a
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Speaker 1: major league player. Also in louis An Hellocuni is not
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Speaker 1: really a prospect anymore. It's a guy who can play
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Speaker 1: in the big leagues. Now, is he going to be
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Speaker 1: an end of the bench super utility guy or is
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Speaker 1: he going to be a starting center fielder for them? Tbd.
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Speaker 1: He'll get a lane, he'll get an opening for playing time.
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Speaker 1: So for them, they feel like, yes, Acunya does not
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Speaker 1: have the same upside as Luise Robert, but we haven't
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Speaker 1: seen the twenty twenty three version of Louise Robert since
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and they could not keep him on
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Speaker 1: the field. So they unload that twenty really even twenty
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Speaker 1: two million dollars if you include a two million dollar
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Speaker 1: buyout in case that happens for the Mets, they're taking
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Speaker 1: on at least twenty two million bucks. Eric's back, So Kratz,
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Speaker 1: we're going over how I was right, you and aj
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Speaker 1: were wrong. The White Sox immediately reinvested at least half
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Speaker 1: the money so far in player salary for twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 1: And it sounds like Jeff Passens report includes that they're
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Speaker 1: going to continue to be active in the market. If
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Speaker 1: they said, hey, we saved about twenty two million dollars,
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Speaker 1: they just spent half that on a per season basis
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Speaker 1: right now. They spent the whole but half that for
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Speaker 1: this player salary coming up. So give them credit there
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Speaker 1: for two things. And this is something that they did
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Speaker 1: not do well in the early part of their rebuild.
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Speaker 1: They were doing almost nothing and we were screaming, hey,
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Speaker 1: get a guy like Sir Anthony Dimingez, let him help
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Speaker 1: you close out games, which is a huge issue for
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Speaker 1: them in general. Right Their bullpen has mostly been a
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Speaker 1: mess the last few years, So that's a bonus that'll
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Speaker 1: win you more games. Then if you get to the
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Speaker 1: trade deadline and you're not good, that's one of the
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Speaker 1: easiest assets to flip, so you don't end up paying
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Speaker 1: the full salary and you end up getting prospects back.
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Speaker 1: So bravo to the White Sox for doing something they
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Speaker 1: should have been doing during this entire teardown.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I love that they spent the twenty million.
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Speaker 3: Hopefully it's not just them spending the twenty million for
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Speaker 3: the two years spread out over the two years. But
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Speaker 3: I would definitely like to know because to get to
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Speaker 3: get a guy like Sir Anthony Dimiguez, what did his
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Speaker 3: mark his market look like. Is he a surefire lockdown closer.
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 3: To me, I think his bet he's best suited for
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Speaker 3: the eighth inning. I can get into why, but just
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Speaker 3: watching him throw and watching his some of his inconsistencies
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Speaker 3: while he's still an elite pitcher, some of his inconsistencies
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Speaker 3: just tailor him to maybe be better in that eighth
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Speaker 3: inning role and not necessarily needing that like punch out
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Speaker 3: closer reliever stuff. So good for the White Sox for
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Speaker 3: doing this. Good for them that they went to a
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Speaker 3: guy that cancer Anthony helped some of these younger failed
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Speaker 3: starting pitchers that the White Sox are going to put
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Speaker 3: in their bullpen and help them have success, help them
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Speaker 3: figure out how to be good big leaguers. Yes, does
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Speaker 3: this mean that the White Sox think they're going to
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Speaker 3: win in the next two years. No, But they tagged
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Speaker 3: him as a guy that was going to give them
18:30
Speaker 3: quality leadership down there for two years, quality innings for
18:35
Speaker 3: two years, and hopefully take another small step. This is
18:39
Speaker 3: definitely a small step forward for the White Sox, which
18:43
Speaker 3: is what they need to do. They need to keep
18:44
Speaker 3: putting those those feet forward and don't I don't agree.
18:48
Speaker 3: I don't think they should have done this before this,
18:51
Speaker 3: like you said, Scott, because they didn't know what they
18:53
Speaker 3: were going to have with Colson Montgomery. They didn't know
18:55
Speaker 3: what they were going to have with Teal and my
18:57
Speaker 3: draft guys that are now after a partial first season
19:02
Speaker 3: in the big leagues. Okay, yeah, we can work around
19:05
Speaker 3: those guys. Now you start making some of the subsidiary moves,
19:09
Speaker 3: like a Sir Anthony to make this just.
19:11
Speaker 1: To be clear. So you think, for example, the prior
19:13
Speaker 1: to off season, it's not like they did nothing, but
19:15
Speaker 1: they didn't do many moves like this, you thought that
19:18
Speaker 1: they shouldn't invest at all in free agent talent because
19:22
Speaker 1: to me, there are.
19:24
Speaker 3: Other relievers free agent relievers, but they're one of.
19:27
Speaker 1: The easiest things to flip. So for me, those are
19:30
Speaker 1: one of the spots that you target because you know
19:32
Speaker 1: that as long as the guy performs decently well, you're
19:36
Speaker 1: able to trade him. Everyone is looking for relief pitching
19:39
Speaker 1: at the trade deadline. That's my point was, how else
19:41
Speaker 1: do you get better when you're going through the rebuild, right,
19:44
Speaker 1: you're going to build through the draft. They've made it
19:46
Speaker 1: a little tougher. They were part of the lottery situation
19:48
Speaker 1: where what they would have in the past had the
19:50
Speaker 1: first overall pick and instead ended up picking what it
19:53
Speaker 1: was at ten or eleven a year or two ago. Ten. Okay,
19:56
Speaker 1: So one other way that you can play a little
19:58
Speaker 1: catch up is that you can spend some of your
20:01
Speaker 1: money on free agent talent that you know you're able
20:03
Speaker 1: to flip. So that was my only point was that
20:06
Speaker 1: I don't feel like they touched that market, and now
20:08
Speaker 1: it seems like they are, And.
20:10
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're Maybe it's just semantics, but
20:12
Speaker 3: I think when you spend four or five million dollars,
20:15
Speaker 3: even six million dollars on a one year reliever, sometimes
20:19
Speaker 3: those dudes are put in roles that you're not gonna
20:21
Speaker 3: be able to get the most out of them. Let's
20:23
Speaker 3: say you get a Chris Martin type of pitcher and
20:25
Speaker 3: the White Sox have nobody else. You're thrusting him in
20:28
Speaker 3: against a lineup, part of the lineup that's he needs
20:33
Speaker 3: to he needs to not be facing. And it's nothing
20:36
Speaker 3: Chris Martin. He's had a tremendous career, nice resurgence late
20:40
Speaker 3: here too, is you as a bad team. If you're
20:45
Speaker 3: spending a lot of money or some money and it's
20:47
Speaker 3: the only money you're spending on the relief core, those
20:52
Speaker 3: guys are gonna be put in situations where they're more
20:54
Speaker 3: like a six seven to eight inning pitcher and they're
20:56
Speaker 3: put more than eight to nine roll and then you
20:59
Speaker 3: don't get that value. To me, it's the value where
21:01
Speaker 3: you get a Martine Perez, which they did, and you
21:05
Speaker 3: know what he was doing really well, didn't stay healthy
21:08
Speaker 3: and he was able to help that rotation. I just
21:12
Speaker 3: don't I don't see it one hundred percent, But it's semantics.
21:15
Speaker 3: I like this move because it's that next tier above
21:18
Speaker 3: that like six to seven million dollars a year guy
21:23
Speaker 3: that sir Anthony is in that tier.
21:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's some turnover here if you look at
21:27
Speaker 1: the White Sox. Anthony k was picked up this offseason.
21:32
Speaker 1: Sean Newcomb was picked up this offseason. They're hoping that
21:35
Speaker 1: both of those guys are going to be part of
21:36
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six rotation. I mentioned Akunya earlier and
21:41
Speaker 1: then the big boy. We'll see what Mirakami looks like
21:44
Speaker 1: is he going to be this instant smash hit. So
21:48
Speaker 1: you've got power that you just added to the mix.
21:51
Speaker 1: You've got a little bit of pitching depth that you added.
21:53
Speaker 1: For the White Sox. By no means am I saying
21:55
Speaker 1: that they're going to be a playoff team. But I
21:58
Speaker 1: do think this is a much better looking roster than
22:00
Speaker 1: the one. I mean really the previous two years. Two
22:04
Speaker 1: years ago they were the worst team ever in terms
22:06
Speaker 1: of losses. This past season a little bit better and
22:09
Speaker 1: they did that without their by far top starting pitcher
22:12
Speaker 1: in Garrett Crochet. So things getting a little bit rosier
22:16
Speaker 1: for the White Sox power ranking them. Do I think
22:18
Speaker 1: they have a chance. No, I don't think they have
22:21
Speaker 1: a chance. Todd Father, do you in the American League Central?
22:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they have an opportunity. I think they do.
22:29
Speaker 2: I think it's listen, anything goes here man at the
22:34
Speaker 2: end of the day.
22:34
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really good teams.
22:36
Speaker 2: We've seen it last year.
22:37
Speaker 1: There's some teams that you didn't think that would make.
22:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had we had some we had some difficulties.
22:52
Speaker 1: White everyone would happened Kratz.
22:54
Speaker 3: The White Socks come down to hang out.
22:56
Speaker 1: With you guys today because I knew that someone was
22:59
Speaker 1: going to try and try your damn internet off and
23:01
Speaker 1: you would need me to talk more than they usually do.
23:03
Speaker 3: And it's probably some White Sox fans who are like Todd,
23:08
Speaker 3: the White Sox do not have a chance in the
23:10
Speaker 3: al central that they do.
23:11
Speaker 2: Ahead of time, I wasn't done until I got you guys,
23:14
Speaker 2: couldn't hear me.
23:14
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad I'm.
23:16
Speaker 2: Giving the benefit of the doubt. Listen, they're trying, They're trying.
23:19
Speaker 2: Are they gonna be good? No, they're not gonna make
23:23
Speaker 2: the playoffs. But like I said, it's wide open. Everything's
23:27
Speaker 2: up for judgment. But this is one team that I
23:29
Speaker 2: can say right now that probably won't make the playoffs.
23:32
Speaker 2: But they are going to battle. They're going to battle.
23:34
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Todd, people, listen to you because you're an
23:37
Speaker 3: honest person. I probably won't make the playoffs. Say it
23:41
Speaker 3: with your chest.
23:42
Speaker 2: No they're not gonna.
23:43
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, No, there you go. That's it gonna.
23:46
Speaker 3: But I think the White Sox are better. I think
23:48
Speaker 3: they made I think they made steps to improve last year.
23:51
Speaker 3: I think they have so much to appreciate, understand and
23:58
Speaker 3: move on from last year. I think they took the
24:01
Speaker 3: next step. I think the first step was Will Venable
24:04
Speaker 3: coming in. Yeah, upgrade central at that position, the manager position.
24:10
Speaker 3: Now you're seeing these young guys who are hungry first
24:13
Speaker 3: and foremost. Kyle Teel hungry and he's playing a position
24:17
Speaker 3: where everybody's gonna look at him every single play. Yeah,
24:20
Speaker 3: I get it. He didn't hit three hundred, he didn't
24:22
Speaker 3: hit thirty bombs. But I think your star is going
24:25
Speaker 3: to be Colson Montgomery. I think you have those young
24:28
Speaker 3: guys that are playing their role very well under Will Venable,
24:33
Speaker 3: but I think adding some like wild cards here, they
24:37
Speaker 3: are definitely improved. So kudos to Chris Getz for improving
24:41
Speaker 3: this team. They're not making the playoffs.
24:44
Speaker 2: Now, hear me out, and I hopefully you agree with
24:47
Speaker 2: me here. Like these guys that are on this team,
24:49
Speaker 2: they're they're fighting for me. If I'm playing on a
24:52
Speaker 2: Chicago White SoC team.
24:54
Speaker 3: At the beginning of your career, or you're playing it right.
24:56
Speaker 2: Now, right now, Okay, it doesn't matter beginning or end.
25:01
Speaker 2: There's opportunities to go play for other teams in playoff games.
25:05
Speaker 2: If you go out and bang other teams like Hey man,
25:09
Speaker 2: you know we had an injury at third base. This cat,
25:12
Speaker 2: Todd Frazier's tearing it up with the White Sox. Let's
25:14
Speaker 2: do a quick trade. Bang boom. They're playing for other teams.
25:17
Speaker 2: In my opinion, like knowing this team's not gonna make.
25:20
Speaker 3: It, not the young but still not the young guys.
25:23
Speaker 3: Still they're untouchable because.
25:25
Speaker 2: Figure, if they want to put them in a trade.
25:27
Speaker 3: Bait, there's I don't I'm.
25:30
Speaker 2: Not saying they're going to, but I'm saying, like, listen,
25:32
Speaker 2: well we want we want this guy because he's dominating.
25:36
Speaker 2: We'll give you so and so and some cash or
25:37
Speaker 2: whatever it is to make a playoff push. You can
25:40
Speaker 2: get actually two or three other guys that can help
25:42
Speaker 2: in that organization move forward. So again, I'm not the
25:45
Speaker 2: biggest on prospects, you know what I say about them.
25:48
Speaker 2: But at the same time, if you're a White Sox
25:50
Speaker 2: team and you're not trying to win a World Series
25:52
Speaker 2: now you're trying to get the pieces. Who's to say
25:55
Speaker 2: that you can't get two other pieces just because one
25:57
Speaker 2: other guy's going out there and dominating to help another team.
26:00
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, they're gonna do more.
26:01
Speaker 2: You're playing for the White Sox. But also you're playing
26:04
Speaker 2: for your future.
26:05
Speaker 3: That's all. That's always, Yeah, that's always. But I don't
26:08
Speaker 3: think the White Sox not to get into it anymore.
26:10
Speaker 3: But I don't think the White Sox are trading any
26:12
Speaker 3: of those young guys because one Chris Getz, was working
26:15
Speaker 3: in the minor league when they was there. So it's
26:17
Speaker 3: like they're either gonna survive. They're either gonna do awesome
26:20
Speaker 3: with his guys, or they're not. And that's they just
26:23
Speaker 3: got here.
26:23
Speaker 1: He's not trading the prospects. That's the whole point. Is
26:25
Speaker 1: that you build up a farm system and a core
26:28
Speaker 1: that you can either lock up long term or at
26:30
Speaker 1: least you have them. They cost nothing right now. And
26:32
Speaker 1: for some people that are like, oh, like so unfair
26:34
Speaker 1: that the small market teams just buy up these guys
26:36
Speaker 1: to trade them. Well, the White Socks aren't a small
26:38
Speaker 1: market team, so let's wipe that away. Look up Chicago,
26:42
Speaker 1: type Chicago DMA into Google. Let me know how that goes.
26:46
Speaker 1: They're just operating like that right now. That's not our problem.
26:48
Speaker 1: That's their problem. It's the year that just will never
26:59
Speaker 1: go away. In baseball. Carlos Beltron acknowledges it. There was
27:03
Speaker 1: a story put out by Jason Stark in The Athletic
27:05
Speaker 1: that went over quotes from Carlos Beltron up in Cooperstown,
27:09
Speaker 1: reflecting on the Hall of Fame nod and of course
27:11
Speaker 1: getting questions about the twenty seventeen cheating scandal, not just
27:15
Speaker 1: because he was on that team, he was the only
27:18
Speaker 1: player listed in there. As for a paraphrase, here someone
27:22
Speaker 1: who is a key player in this. So he is
27:25
Speaker 1: well aware, right, and it comes out, and it was
27:28
Speaker 1: right after he was going to be the Mets manager,
27:30
Speaker 1: and then that went away. So there were ramifications for him.
27:34
Speaker 1: They weren't any from his playing days, and it took
27:37
Speaker 1: him several years to get into the Hall of Fame.
27:39
Speaker 1: So let's dig into it. Todd Father, we've got the
27:42
Speaker 1: right guy on today, because you were on the other
27:44
Speaker 1: end of this and you haven't forgotten it either. And
27:47
Speaker 1: Beltron was a beloved player. He went over all of
27:49
Speaker 1: this twenty years in the bigs. Ask teammates how I was,
27:53
Speaker 1: ask people how I was in promoting the game, what
27:56
Speaker 1: he's done in Puerto Rico to enhance the sport down
27:59
Speaker 1: there and educate people, and actually literally just educate people
28:02
Speaker 1: aside from baseball. He launched a whole high school that
28:06
Speaker 1: he basically built from scratch. Right, So he's done a
28:08
Speaker 1: lot in the baseball world, in the community, and he
28:12
Speaker 1: was acknowledging the fact that it is never going to
28:14
Speaker 1: go away, and he's aware of that, but he doesn't
28:17
Speaker 1: want it to define him. The nitty gritty that he
28:20
Speaker 1: went over Todd was how it was. And again I'm paraphrasing,
28:24
Speaker 1: but like a Wild West situation, they thought everyone was
28:27
Speaker 1: just going all out to do anything they could, and
28:30
Speaker 1: they took it to a level that for some of
28:32
Speaker 1: them they didn't realize other teams weren't doing. Do you
28:35
Speaker 1: buy that? And in this article it talks about how
28:38
Speaker 1: the Yankees and the Red Sox were punished right on
28:42
Speaker 1: in seventeen and what's known as a base runner system
28:45
Speaker 1: sign sequences to coded using in game video disseminated to
28:47
Speaker 1: the dugout. Then when a runner got to second base
28:50
Speaker 1: runner would often know how to catch or how to
28:53
Speaker 1: crack the catcher's code. Right, we all heard about the
28:55
Speaker 1: watch situation for the Red Sox, but Yankees and Red
28:57
Speaker 1: Sox were both punished. Astros were like had some players
29:01
Speaker 1: coming from previous Yankee teams, and they were like, hey,
29:03
Speaker 1: let's take this to the next level. Forget the runner
29:05
Speaker 1: at second, we can just relay every pitch. So your
29:08
Speaker 1: thoughts on what Beltron said.
29:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think honestly, you know, if we're looking at
29:15
Speaker 2: his whole career, I mean, let's take his whole career
29:18
Speaker 2: for example, I mean he was a monster in the playoffs,
29:21
Speaker 2: absolute stud Hall of Fame, Masque, playoff, just playoff wise alone.
29:26
Speaker 2: Some of the things he did were absolutely unbelievable. He
29:30
Speaker 2: was a great player, he was a great teammate. Ultimately,
29:34
Speaker 2: he made a mistake. He made a big mistake, and
29:37
Speaker 2: I don't think, honestly I would agree to him. I
29:39
Speaker 2: don't think that should define him. I think he's an
29:42
Speaker 2: upstanding gentleman. I've gotten known him over the years. He's
29:45
Speaker 2: a really good guy. I think he deserves to be
29:48
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. If you want the truth,
29:49
Speaker 2: I mean, if we're going back in time, like listen, yeah,
29:52
Speaker 2: they screwed up. There was a lot of things that
29:55
Speaker 2: other teams did with electronics, you know, human element o. Man,
30:01
Speaker 2: let's let's find a way to get you know what
30:02
Speaker 2: this guy he has to tell but they went above
30:05
Speaker 2: and beyond relaying signs left and right. Red Sox did
30:08
Speaker 2: the same thing Astros. It was just stuff that you've
30:12
Speaker 2: never heard of, and it's still it still hurts it
30:14
Speaker 2: this day. I'm still upset about it, but I have
30:16
Speaker 2: to find a way to move on too as well.
30:18
Speaker 2: You know, I can't let that really crush me as
30:21
Speaker 2: I move forward. You know, something I'll never forget, But
30:24
Speaker 2: I'm taking away with what he did for the game,
30:27
Speaker 2: and I thought, no doubt about it. Hall of Famer.
30:30
Speaker 2: His numbers prove it. He's a great guy too as well.
30:33
Speaker 2: He made a huge mistake and I think him taking
30:36
Speaker 2: ownership for it is really good. But at the same time, yeah,
30:40
Speaker 2: a lot of people people always remember the negative stuff.
30:42
Speaker 2: That's just how the world is right now. They're always
30:44
Speaker 2: gonna remember that. They're not gonna remember always what he
30:46
Speaker 2: did best. But he was one of the better players
30:49
Speaker 2: to ever play this game, and I think he deserves
30:51
Speaker 2: being the Hall of Fame.
30:51
Speaker 3: P Yeah, I mean, I agree, he's a Hall of Famer.
30:55
Speaker 3: I think his his career, his numbers stand for itself.
30:59
Speaker 3: But if you feel like if your opinion about the
31:03
Speaker 3: Astros signed stealing scandal is so egregious that he lied
31:08
Speaker 3: that he, you know, cheated the system, then you're always
31:13
Speaker 3: going to sit there and go. If he did it once,
31:16
Speaker 3: he probably did it other times. Or he took it
31:19
Speaker 3: from the Yankees and they were doing something like it,
31:21
Speaker 3: and he took it from you know, the Mets when
31:24
Speaker 3: he was there, he originally learned it with the Royals.
31:28
Speaker 3: I choose to see it as way less nefarious as
31:32
Speaker 3: everybody else does. And I have would never sit here
31:35
Speaker 3: and boo somebody that was part of that, because I
31:39
Speaker 3: saw what was going on there and I don't think
31:42
Speaker 3: the I don't think the Astros were the only ones
31:47
Speaker 3: that were crossing the line. But my line is a
31:49
Speaker 3: little bit different. But I also know that in that
31:52
Speaker 3: series with Todd playing, we talked about it in our
31:56
Speaker 3: Catchers meetings, in our Pictures meetings that we were going
31:59
Speaker 3: to have nine to twelve mound visits a game to
32:03
Speaker 3: switch the signs up. We weren't gonna go, h third sign,
32:07
Speaker 3: shake first sign, like this, it's not what you're doing.
32:11
Speaker 3: So did the sign stealing video stuff with the trash
32:15
Speaker 3: cans make the Yankees lose in that series? No, I
32:19
Speaker 3: do not believe so because of how much how many
32:23
Speaker 3: measures we were taking, because we already knew they were
32:26
Speaker 3: doing stuff. So if you feel like Carlos Beltron was
32:30
Speaker 3: a cheater his entire career, I have a hard time
32:32
Speaker 3: telling you know, but I'm trying to tell you that
32:35
Speaker 3: that's not how you make the Hall of Fame. He
32:37
Speaker 3: was not an average player that just cheated his way
32:41
Speaker 3: to being one of the best players of all time.
32:43
Speaker 3: It just it didn't happen. I watched him on the field.
32:46
Speaker 3: His size, his speed, his swing from both sides of
32:49
Speaker 3: the plate is exactly why he's a Hall of Famer.
32:52
Speaker 3: Everybody's done something. Very few Hall of famers slash superstars,
32:56
Speaker 3: guys that play for twenty years don't have some type
32:59
Speaker 3: of blemish on their career where you're like, oh, well
33:02
Speaker 3: what about this?
33:05
Speaker 2: Listen? And also, like you think back that Ald situation,
33:08
Speaker 2: like if it was that, what do you call nefarious?
33:11
Speaker 2: How you like to say, is that nefarious? Like crafty?
33:15
Speaker 2: You like to say? Manford's the one that that needed
33:18
Speaker 2: to come down and do something else about it. There,
33:21
Speaker 2: I mean, the they basically got.
33:22
Speaker 3: Baseball knew about it, Yeah, they knew about it.
33:25
Speaker 2: Then there they got to slap on the wrist. Pretty
33:27
Speaker 2: much just come out and say that you did it. Okay, great,
33:30
Speaker 2: now what move on? And it was hard to move on,
33:33
Speaker 2: but it's hard for you to move on. And we
33:36
Speaker 2: were part of it.
33:36
Speaker 3: And Major League Baseball, Major leaue Baseball painted the picture
33:40
Speaker 3: that we had no idea. Oh just go go in
33:43
Speaker 3: and look at all the grievances against the Astros just
33:46
Speaker 3: that season. Everybody glazes over that nobody thinks about that
33:50
Speaker 3: when they keep booing Jose Altuve, who multiple players have
33:54
Speaker 3: come out and said he was not part of it.
33:57
Speaker 3: I believe that this is this was not a thing,
33:59
Speaker 3: because just knowing how touve for a little bit that
34:02
Speaker 3: I played with him, and a little bit that we
34:03
Speaker 3: traveled to Japan together. I believe that. But people are
34:06
Speaker 3: choosing their reality. And I'm just sitting here telling you
34:11
Speaker 3: what Major League Baseball has wanted to kind of skirt
34:14
Speaker 3: under the rug. We didn't. We didn't have any part
34:15
Speaker 3: of this, just like Bud Seely didn't get any He
34:18
Speaker 3: got into the Hall of Fame, and the steroid guys
34:20
Speaker 3: aren't in the Hall of Fame. He's a Hall of
34:22
Speaker 3: Fame general manager, So why under his under his rule.
34:28
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I say sorry, man, commissioner. Why
34:31
Speaker 3: under that that this major scandal that everybody in the
34:36
Speaker 3: world has been like, oh, how could baseball have the
34:38
Speaker 3: steroid era? Who is the commissioner? You you are you're
34:42
Speaker 3: complicit in it? If you are the boss, you're not
34:45
Speaker 3: just you can't be. He's not that naive that, Oh,
34:49
Speaker 3: I just have no idea. Just like they knew about
34:52
Speaker 3: the astros, but they didn't want to do anything about
34:54
Speaker 3: it because there was people having grievances. Other teams were
34:58
Speaker 3: getting grievances written about them.
35:00
Speaker 2: It was it was just a weird time and unfortunate
35:03
Speaker 2: time because we're on the raw end of the stick.
35:06
Speaker 2: We win the World Series, nobody cares, you know what
35:08
Speaker 2: I mean. If they lose the World Series, it would
35:11
Speaker 2: something might have came up, but it wouldn't be as
35:14
Speaker 2: big because they, oh, we'll sor right. They didn't win,
35:17
Speaker 2: so it's okay, but totally we won't forget it. But
35:20
Speaker 2: ultimately they won the World Series. If one person does it,
35:24
Speaker 2: everybody does it. In my opinion, they're a team and
35:26
Speaker 2: will never ever know the full truth about who did it.
35:29
Speaker 3: So benefited the most yeah.
35:31
Speaker 2: And listen, you're gonna tell me what pitchre's coming. Please, Lord,
35:34
Speaker 2: I would have loved to known every single time I'm
35:36
Speaker 2: hitting that ball hard or I'm taking it, I'm taking
35:39
Speaker 2: a hack where I know I'm gonna be comfortable, and
35:41
Speaker 2: I've done it before because pictures have tells We've had
35:44
Speaker 2: a bunch of guys that can pick it up. Chili
35:46
Speaker 2: Davis was the best my hitting coach. He goes phrase,
35:48
Speaker 2: I'm like, seventy thirty. I said, seventy thirty. I'll take
35:51
Speaker 2: that every day to week. Every day means sixty forty.
35:54
Speaker 2: I'll take that every but he got but he always
35:56
Speaker 2: told me, he said, listen, you can't be mad at
35:57
Speaker 2: me if I get wrong. I said, yeah, you got
35:59
Speaker 2: thirty percent. And we messed around. But it was an
36:03
Speaker 2: advantage at the time, of course, so that that'll be
36:06
Speaker 2: the little blemish. But again that I don't think it
36:08
Speaker 2: should overshadow his career and what he did.
36:10
Speaker 3: And Carlos didn't have a good year that year, so
36:12
Speaker 3: if you think, oh, yeah, you know, he helped the
36:14
Speaker 3: other guys out, but you go down the list one
36:16
Speaker 3: of the dudes that had great years that year. If
36:18
Speaker 3: you're just talking about the Astros had great years that
36:21
Speaker 3: year and never once again touched that level. Go along
36:26
Speaker 3: that go down that line, and then you tell me
36:28
Speaker 3: who you think did or did not.
36:30
Speaker 1: But I mar Gonzalez, I don't care. I'll name names.
36:33
Speaker 1: There's stats up there. I mean, there are others, but
36:36
Speaker 1: Marvin Gonzalez. I mean, let's call a fade a spade.
36:39
Speaker 1: Marwin's numbers that year were insane, incredible.
36:42
Speaker 2: But I'm not even gonna number I'm just gonna say
36:44
Speaker 2: moments in playoff moments like where maybe they didn't know
36:49
Speaker 2: what was coming. I could have got to roll over
36:50
Speaker 2: double play, like you don't know what the outcome was
36:52
Speaker 2: gonna be, you know, the walk off home runs to
36:55
Speaker 2: what was coming. Like, listen, I'm gonna hit the ball hard.
36:57
Speaker 2: If you know what's coming, you're gonna be I'm telling you,
37:00
Speaker 2: your body relaxes, your brain's like, oh, confidence out the roof.
37:04
Speaker 2: That plays a part when you're hitting. And I don't care,
37:07
Speaker 2: I'm I'm hitting foul ball down the line third base
37:09
Speaker 2: and better watch out in the third base coach. That's
37:10
Speaker 2: probably Yeah, it's gonna come in hot. You gotta be ready.
37:14
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was a big advantage and nothing really happened.
37:17
Speaker 2: And we've talked about this numerous time. Bud Beltrand Hall
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Speaker 2: of Famer, congrats, yep.
37:24
Speaker 1: I can I ask you guys a question. If you
37:25
Speaker 1: were on that team, what would you do? So I'm
37:28
Speaker 1: trying to see and Beltron's not the right one to
37:31
Speaker 1: pinpoint here because he was one of the ringleaders. But
37:35
Speaker 1: there are people in the chat right now saying anyone
37:37
Speaker 1: that was involved with that team, like, they're nothing for me, right,
37:41
Speaker 1: that was the ultimate They don't get to deserve to
37:44
Speaker 1: get into anything, blah blah blah. Right, So like, if
37:47
Speaker 1: you're good that player on that team, what were you
37:50
Speaker 1: supposed to do? Do you tell on your team never gonna.
37:53
Speaker 2: Be a rat?
37:55
Speaker 1: So what were you supposed to do? I mean, if
37:57
Speaker 1: you're not one of the three big boys there, how
38:00
Speaker 1: are you supposed to do anything?
38:02
Speaker 2: And wait, oh, you fall in line.
38:05
Speaker 1: Right, other teams are doing stuff. You're just doing it.
38:08
Speaker 1: I want to say better, but you're just you're cheating harder.
38:11
Speaker 1: That was what was going on. So if you're on
38:13
Speaker 1: that team, what are you supposed to do? I'm not
38:15
Speaker 1: defending them because at the time I was like, this
38:17
Speaker 1: is insane, but we also learned how widespread it was
38:20
Speaker 1: in the game at the time. They just were doing
38:22
Speaker 1: it at a higher level and at a level that
38:24
Speaker 1: I think most people agreed took it too far. But
38:27
Speaker 1: then now you go back and you're like, it was
38:28
Speaker 1: all too far. The electronics stuff from the dugout was ridiculous.
38:33
Speaker 3: It was it was all too far, and everybody's going
38:35
Speaker 3: to have their opinion. I spoke out after I was
38:39
Speaker 3: done playing and called some teams out, and there are
38:43
Speaker 3: significant players on the one team that is very pissed
38:47
Speaker 3: at me for calling their team out in that situation.
38:51
Speaker 3: And my my information is taken from a player that
38:56
Speaker 3: played on that team and saw what they did, and
39:00
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that it was as far as what the
39:02
Speaker 3: Astros did, But that player's pissed because they're associated with
39:09
Speaker 3: what the Astros did. So their reality is completely fine
39:15
Speaker 3: what they were doing, but it's not what you're allowed
39:18
Speaker 3: to do right now, So was it fine another team
39:22
Speaker 3: that I called out? The only two teams I called
39:24
Speaker 3: out were from players that played on that team that
39:28
Speaker 3: I played with later in my career. Yeah, that's what
39:30
Speaker 3: we were doing, But I don't think in the playoffs
39:33
Speaker 3: Todd that it was as big of a hindrance, or
39:38
Speaker 3: it was as big it was used as much as
39:40
Speaker 3: people would think. I think people see the trash can
39:42
Speaker 3: scandal as every single pitch. I'm gonna get it. But
39:46
Speaker 3: you know what, playoffs only take one pitch to be swung.
39:50
Speaker 3: You swing, you swing your team in one direction. With
39:54
Speaker 3: one swing, you could hit one hundred. Look at Max
39:56
Speaker 3: Munsey's a bat in the World Series. Some people look
40:00
Speaker 3: at it and go, ah, whatever, it was just one
40:01
Speaker 3: home run. It made the game four to three. No
40:04
Speaker 3: it it put Miguel Rojas in a situation where one
40:08
Speaker 3: swing ties them up, which then gets them to the
40:12
Speaker 3: to the Will Smith swing that puts them ahead. Like
40:15
Speaker 3: that's how the playoffs work. And I don't think fans
40:19
Speaker 3: need to just put a blanket statement. Anybody that was
40:22
Speaker 3: a part of it, you're done because exactly what Scott said,
40:26
Speaker 3: you would fall in line too, because the ultimate goal
40:29
Speaker 3: as a player is to win a World Series. And
40:32
Speaker 3: Carlos Beltron holds a lot of clout. He was at
40:35
Speaker 3: the end of his career, and you start looking to
40:38
Speaker 3: those vets and that time. I mean the different guys
40:41
Speaker 3: that I played with at the end of their ends
40:43
Speaker 3: of their career, Brett Gardner, C. C. Sabbathia. You know,
40:48
Speaker 3: you start saying, we're playing for that guy, We're playing
40:50
Speaker 3: to win a World Series for that guy. It's not
40:52
Speaker 3: what necessarily drives everybody, but that stuff's mentioned. Carlos comes
40:56
Speaker 3: up with this thing, your bench coach Alex Korra is
41:00
Speaker 3: out with this thing. Guys, we want to win. We
41:03
Speaker 3: got a good team here. We fell short and fifteen,
41:06
Speaker 3: we didn't make the playoffs in sixteen. Now we're back
41:09
Speaker 3: and we're in the World Series in seventeen. Yeah, like
41:13
Speaker 3: they wanted to win it, and you would fall in line.
41:15
Speaker 3: Everybody out there would fall in line. Two.
41:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're also trying to stay in the league. You know,
41:22
Speaker 1: if you're not one of the stars. I mean, what
41:24
Speaker 1: are you going to do? Just go tell on them
41:25
Speaker 1: and then think nothing's going to happen. You think MLB
41:28
Speaker 1: is going to have your back and not say, oh,
41:30
Speaker 1: this guy told on you. Of course they're going to
41:32
Speaker 1: because that's what they're going to use as evidence against you.
41:34
Speaker 1: Todd Father, what did you want the league to do
41:38
Speaker 1: that would have made the difference, Because some people are like, oh,
41:41
Speaker 1: because it would have been difficult with the players and
41:43
Speaker 1: the players' union and getting rid of money and suspensions whatever.
41:47
Speaker 1: And for me, I don't care about that. Like if
41:48
Speaker 1: you said the next season or once they found out
41:51
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen and they they suspend them for X
41:53
Speaker 1: amount of game, who cares. It already happened. I think
41:55
Speaker 1: the only thing that could have been done to send
41:57
Speaker 1: the message was the what was the line, the damn
42:00
Speaker 1: metal piece of metal to take that away, that would
42:05
Speaker 1: have been the thing where you're like, hey, I know
42:06
Speaker 1: not one individual could have called this out so easily,
42:08
Speaker 1: but as a team, this is what happened, and so
42:11
Speaker 1: we're stripping the title like the NCAA used to do
42:13
Speaker 1: if some player got caught taking some cash. Even though
42:16
Speaker 1: half the league was taken, half the NCAA was taking
42:19
Speaker 1: cash with a Reggie Bush usc it I.
42:23
Speaker 2: Since I was a part of it, I don't think
42:25
Speaker 2: anything would have changed it because we can't go back
42:27
Speaker 2: and and we can't play the Dodgers. The Yankees couldn't
42:30
Speaker 2: play the Dodgers again, So I don't think anything changed.
42:33
Speaker 2: You could take the flag down, you can, you know,
42:35
Speaker 2: take away the rings. But in my mind, if I'm
42:39
Speaker 2: on the Astros. I still won the World Series. We
42:41
Speaker 2: were the best team. So I don't know ultimately what
42:44
Speaker 2: you could have done to hurt those guys, But you know,
42:48
Speaker 2: like Kratzy said, it probably wasn't everybody, but it was
42:51
Speaker 2: a lot.
42:51
Speaker 3: It was a good amount.
42:52
Speaker 2: So I don't know the answer there. But you know,
42:55
Speaker 2: that would be the first thing that comes to mind.
42:57
Speaker 2: What does that really do? What do you do you ring? Anyway?
43:00
Speaker 2: You just put it in a nice place for keepsake
43:03
Speaker 2: and bring it out once or twice a year when
43:05
Speaker 2: you're hanging with the cronies or you're going to you know,
43:09
Speaker 2: a big event.
43:09
Speaker 3: So yeah, I and and I think I think if
43:14
Speaker 3: maybe this is the player's side of me who got
43:17
Speaker 3: punished for this? Alex Alex aj Hinch, Hinch, Alex Cora,
43:23
Speaker 3: Carlos beltrm, they are the ones that got punished. Why
43:29
Speaker 3: did the commissioner of Baseball who failed in this, in
43:34
Speaker 3: this like preemptive preemptive investigations? Why did not anybody? Why
43:40
Speaker 3: did not anybody get punished? There? Like why does why
43:43
Speaker 3: is just one side?
43:45
Speaker 1: You want them to punish themselves?
43:47
Speaker 3: Yes, if a if a school, if a school hires
43:52
Speaker 3: a coach that does something illegal like let's say recruiting
43:56
Speaker 3: or something like that. Sure the school was complicit in that.
44:01
Speaker 3: If if a complaint is brought to Major League Baseball,
44:06
Speaker 3: major League Baseball is complicit in it if they are
44:09
Speaker 3: only reactive and not proactive in it. But they just said, oh, well,
44:14
Speaker 3: it's another it's another complaint that we're getting in. How
44:17
Speaker 3: much did they investigate it where they didn't want to
44:20
Speaker 3: rock the boat? Did they?
44:22
Speaker 1: So?
44:23
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't.
44:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but MLB, I mean, yes, they should have
44:29
Speaker 1: cracked down sooner on this, but they're not going to
44:31
Speaker 1: like punish like, oh, we're going to suspend ourselves for
44:33
Speaker 1: a year. Like they reacted too slow. There's no doubt
44:36
Speaker 1: about that. But then I mean, also I just will
44:38
Speaker 1: add Ashlers were hit with some money, damages whatever, they
44:42
Speaker 1: were suspended or they lost some draft picks. That's real.
44:45
Speaker 1: Jeff Lunau got in trouble. So there was some discipline.
44:48
Speaker 1: It just wasn't what people were looking for. I think
44:50
Speaker 1: the only thing people were going to be satisfied with
44:53
Speaker 1: was if they actually said they are not the champs.
44:56
Speaker 3: Now.
44:56
Speaker 1: I do think that the franchise took a reputation hit
45:00
Speaker 1: where I still feel as if it's like them against
45:02
Speaker 1: the world, Right, they're gonna have that for a long time.
45:05
Speaker 1: The people still boo the Astros like there's almost no
45:08
Speaker 1: one left from that team, and they'll still do like
45:11
Speaker 1: the rookie, right, they'll still boo the rookie like cheetah.
45:15
Speaker 1: It's like he wasn't on that team. That was so
45:18
Speaker 1: long ago at this point it was what is it,
45:20
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six? It was nine years ago. But that's
45:23
Speaker 1: the thing. So I think it was very interesting to
45:25
Speaker 1: hear Carlos Peltron talk about it. And I do give
45:28
Speaker 1: him credit for talking about not just saying I'm not
45:30
Speaker 1: touching it at all, right, like being a dude, and
45:32
Speaker 1: actually most importantly too to sum this up, and I
45:35
Speaker 1: think this is cool. He wants to manage again someday.
45:38
Speaker 1: So hey, hey, krats hats, Actually you won't have one, Eric,
45:52
Speaker 1: you're not going to wear a hat tomorrow? Confirmed, I'm not.
45:56
Speaker 2: No, okay, no, you're wearing a suit tomorrow.
45:59
Speaker 3: Maybe I got something that goes with the suit. Don't
46:03
Speaker 3: don't don't sleep.
46:04
Speaker 1: Actually, you're right, you can talk me into anything with
46:08
Speaker 1: the tire game throughout all the rules wear suits to
46:12
Speaker 1: wear it the way you want to wear it. At
46:14
Speaker 1: the BBWA Awards galaic we'll be in New York City
46:16
Speaker 1: tomorrow with all the superstars, and AJ will be up
46:22
Speaker 1: on the big, big stage with all the superstars. We'll
46:26
Speaker 1: be showing it to you. We're not just there to
46:28
Speaker 1: do pre and post coverage. We're doing that, but we're
46:31
Speaker 1: also showing the entire event. We did that last year
46:33
Speaker 1: if you want to look back at how it appeared
46:36
Speaker 1: on YouTube, we'll do it again for you. It's free
46:39
Speaker 1: to watch, and it is the second time ever that
46:41
Speaker 1: it is stream live. So we are looking forward to
46:44
Speaker 1: it and we will grab as many guests as possible,
46:48
Speaker 1: the ones who say yes, the nice ones, so it's
46:51
Speaker 1: just luck and then we'll go over guestless next week.
46:54
Speaker 1: It's going to be fun. Actually, I can give you
46:56
Speaker 1: a couple teasers for guest lists. Of course, this weekend
46:59
Speaker 1: is going to be a cool guest list. But I've
47:02
Speaker 1: been going back and forth with Nolan Arnatto for the
47:04
Speaker 1: last while now and it looks like we've got him
47:07
Speaker 1: locked in for next week. I think we might get
47:11
Speaker 1: a little Max Monsey action next week. So some good
47:14
Speaker 1: names to chat with. We will see you on Saturday,
47:19
Speaker 1: not Monday.
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