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Chuck & Buck 12-5 Hour 3: The Ocho, Winter Meetings and a BIG time matchup! · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: that light on, you have to stop. That's what I
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Speaker 1: was told. Greg Bell was with us at seven o'clock
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Speaker 1: this morning, and uh boy, I don't see a lot
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Speaker 1: of paths for the Falcons to beat the Seahawks on Sunday,
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Speaker 1: But Greg tried to figure it out himself.
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Speaker 5: Greg Glennon, their top receiver, hasn't practiced all week. He
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Speaker 5: may not play, which under the lines the fact that
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Speaker 5: it's Jon Robertson all day for Atlanta. The top running back,
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Speaker 5: the number five running back in the league, is going
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Speaker 5: to be a thousand yard rusher with five more yards
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Speaker 5: on Sunday. If he runs for one hundred hundred and
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Speaker 5: fifty and the Seahawks and Sam Darnold turned the ball
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Speaker 5: over a few times, they could lose this game. The
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Speaker 5: Seahawks are not yet to the point that they can
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Speaker 5: just roll the ball out and win. Sure, So that's
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Speaker 5: that's the recipe. Don't turn the ball over and so
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Speaker 5: far this is the number three NFL defense and rush defense.
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Speaker 5: And as I said, I just don't think they've been
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Speaker 5: tested all that much because they've been leading like two
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Speaker 5: touchdowns early in games. This will be the test Atlanta,
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Speaker 5: even if they fall behind, will continue to run. Stop
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Speaker 5: Jon Robinson and you're gonna win.
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Speaker 1: Greg Bell, if you want to hear the entire thing,
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Speaker 1: I'll disagree a little bit with how he phrased that.
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Speaker 1: I think, b John Robbins, you don't have to stop
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Speaker 1: the John Robinson. You just can't let him dominate, right.
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Speaker 1: I mean he can rush for one hundred, he can
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Speaker 1: rush for one hundred and ten yards, and I still
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Speaker 1: think the Seahawks will win this football game if he
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Speaker 1: rushes for one seventy five and catches another fifty. Now,
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Speaker 1: now we're in trouble. Yeah you tell me that. I'm like, oh, oh,
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Speaker 1: what was the final score of that game? But I
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Speaker 1: don't think it's possible to just stop him in his tracks.
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Speaker 1: I think that's asking too much of the Hawks defense.
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Speaker 1: But I just don't think one man can beat the
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Speaker 1: Seattle defense, and that's pretty much what's going on. Robinson
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Speaker 1: entered the week ranked fourth in the NFL and rushing
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Speaker 1: yards add nearly six hundred receiving yards, and you have
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Speaker 1: yourself one heck of a multipurpose weapon. But he might
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Speaker 1: be the only weapon offensively that Atlanta has left. Michael
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Speaker 1: Pennix is out at quarterback, and wide receiver number one
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Speaker 1: Drake London is doubtful for Sunday.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have a lot of confidence about
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Speaker 4: the Seahawks team going in and obviously, yeah, the one
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Speaker 4: factor is Jon Robinson, but I also don't anticipate this
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Speaker 4: defense giving up one hundred and seventy five yards on
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Speaker 4: the ground.
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Speaker 2: No, I just don't see it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, four and eight Falcons have lost six of their
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Speaker 1: last seven games. The nine to three Seahawks sit atop
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Speaker 1: the division right now, tied to top the division technically
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Speaker 1: a little bit behind the Rams because of the head
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Speaker 1: to head match up. Just smidge, but you got two
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Speaker 1: nine and three teams one nine and four team. The
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Speaker 1: Rams will be at Arizona Sunday, trying to bounce back
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Speaker 1: from a loss to the Carolina Panthers. San Francisco at
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Speaker 1: nine to four is on by so they're finally serving
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Speaker 1: their bye week this week, and they would need both
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Speaker 1: the Seahawks and the Rams to lose to draw even
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Speaker 1: in the NFC West Seattle at Atlanta ten am. Kickoff
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Speaker 1: the week fourteen, which is a fascinating one in the
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Speaker 1: National Football League, got started last night in Detroit where
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Speaker 1: the Lions topped the Dallas Cowboys. Hand off to Gibbs
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Speaker 1: working the right side walker in front of the ten,
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Speaker 1: Gibbs skipping to the five under the exone for a touchdown.
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Speaker 6: Tristan Cologne was the convoy to lead Gibbs to the
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Speaker 6: Promised Lands and perhaps to lead the Lions to their
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Speaker 6: eighth win of the season.
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Speaker 1: Forty three point thirty for the extra point to come
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Speaker 1: west Wood one with the highlight there. Jamier Gibbs rushed
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Speaker 1: for forty three yards last but he scored three touchdowns.
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Speaker 1: I was so jealous of Ashley when she got Jamior
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Speaker 1: Gibbs in our fantasy league this season, and man, has
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Speaker 1: he been unbelievable. I think he is the fastest, like
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Speaker 1: from a dead stop to the peak of his speed
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Speaker 1: runner I've ever seen. Now maybe I'm the prisoner of
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Speaker 1: the moment. But I think his ability to get to
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Speaker 1: top speed in a short space is unlike any football
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Speaker 1: player I've ever seen.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he is fantastic to watch. It's been very fun.
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Speaker 4: I am lucky.
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Speaker 2: I got him in our fantasy football league. I got
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Speaker 2: him in two.
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Speaker 3: Leagues, did you really?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Last yeah?
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Speaker 4: Last week he had fifty and sixty points for me
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Speaker 4: in those leagues. This week thirty five and thirty something.
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Speaker 1: I mean he came out and out in the same
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Speaker 1: draft with B John Robinson and everybody fought Robinson's word
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Speaker 1: the top five pick, But why are you picking Gibbs twelve?
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Speaker 3: And I think he's every bit.
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Speaker 2: Is good, maybe better I would agree than B.
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Speaker 1: John. But its great.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and especially playing with Detroit's offense two probably helps
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Speaker 4: him quite a bit.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.
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Speaker 1: Detroit scored the last fourteen points of the game to
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Speaker 1: pull away from a hot Dallas squad.
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Speaker 3: Forty four to thirty was.
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Speaker 1: The final score, so the Cowboys fall back to five
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Speaker 1: hundred on the season. The Lions are still even with
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Speaker 1: the win, on the outside of the playoff picture looking
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Speaker 1: in even with their eight and five record. Week Fourteen's boy,
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Speaker 1: it's a stunner, Cincinnati at Buffalo, Pittsburgh at Baltimore. So
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Speaker 1: a lot's going to be sorted out there in the
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Speaker 1: AFC North, and those aren't even the three best games.
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Speaker 1: The best early game is going to be Indy at Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: Those two teams tied record wise atop the AFC South
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Speaker 1: Chicago at green Bay. Only a half game separates them.
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Speaker 1: And if you haven't checked out your handy dandy standings lately,
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Speaker 1: you might be surprised to know that the Bears are
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Speaker 1: actually in first place in the NFC North. They'll be
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Speaker 1: at green Bay to take on the Packers. That's the
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Speaker 1: best afternoon game, and then at night Houston at Kansas
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Speaker 1: City terrific matchup, and it might be playoff time for
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Speaker 1: both of those teams right now. They're on the outside
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Speaker 1: of the playoffs looking in, and the Kansas City Chiefs
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Speaker 1: might be desperate at this point. So that's a heck
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Speaker 1: of a Sunday form.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is gonna be a lot of fun, a
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Speaker 2: lot of fun.
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Speaker 3: Saturday's even better.
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Speaker 1: College Football Conference Championship Week is here. Of course, the
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Speaker 1: big game is the Big Ten title game between Ohio
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Speaker 1: State and Indiana. That's number one versus number two in America,
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Speaker 1: meeting for the Big Ten Conference title. I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: that Ohio State is intimidating for the Hoosiers, but to me,
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Speaker 1: it feels like what I'm hearing Indiana is really working
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Speaker 1: hard to try to convince themselves they can win. I'm
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Speaker 1: so excited. I'm s side, Well, that's not encouraging.
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Speaker 2: No, that does. I would have thought they would have
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Speaker 2: had a little more faith in themselves.
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Speaker 3: Guys like they fell apart.
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Speaker 2: Yeah you got this, we need you. Gotta send them
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Speaker 2: a pep talk like some Donuts Chrispy.
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Speaker 1: Ohio State versus Indiana's that's just fantastic. And that these
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Speaker 1: are not finesse teams. Everybody thinks Indiana some finesse team.
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Speaker 1: I mean they are gritty and happen to feature the
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Speaker 1: guy that's probably going to win the Heisman Trophy and
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Speaker 1: against the clear cut number one ranked team in the country.
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Speaker 1: Have been almost all season long since they beat Texas
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Speaker 1: in the season opener. So five o'clock on Fox, that's
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Speaker 1: the only game on Fox. The rest of the Big
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Speaker 1: Game Saturday will be on ABC. You're gonna have eleven
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Speaker 1: BYU taking on Texas Tech for the Big twelve title
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Speaker 1: at nine am kickoff one o'clock Georgia ranked third in
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Speaker 1: the country versus number nine Alabama. That's at one for
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Speaker 1: the SEC title, and then the AC title will also
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Speaker 1: be played at five o'clock, but on ABC it'll be
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Speaker 1: number seventeen Virginia versus Duke. And then there are two
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Speaker 1: games tonight Troy versus James Madison, North Texas versus Tulane,
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Speaker 1: and both of those games could very well impact selection Sunday,
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Speaker 1: which is now just two days away. Rick new Isil
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Speaker 1: was with us on Tuesday. He's got a lot of
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Speaker 1: problems with those committee members.
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Speaker 7: I just think we need to tweak the schedules and
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Speaker 7: we need to make it not as subjective in the
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Speaker 7: committee room because they just stick to wins and losses,
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Speaker 7: the head to head stuff. The notion of who you
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Speaker 7: played really isn't factored in. You can't have Notre Dame
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Speaker 7: ahead of Miami. That makes no sense to anybody. If
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Speaker 7: you talk to Texas, there are five teams that are
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Speaker 7: going to make the tournament from the SEC, and if
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Speaker 7: you look at the top five teams in the SEC,
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Speaker 7: there are two that are seven and one and there
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Speaker 7: are three six and two. Texas is one of those
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Speaker 7: six and two teams, and they beat the other two
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Speaker 7: six and two teams, but they lost to Ohio State.
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Speaker 7: The reason they lost to Ohio State is they played
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Speaker 7: Ohio State. They didn't have to, and they're in. If
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Speaker 7: we want games that are going to be of significance
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Speaker 7: in the non conference, we can't penalize people. And yet
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Speaker 7: I also understand if you didn't win the game, you
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Speaker 7: can't be rewarded as if you did.
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Speaker 1: Rick new Isl with us on Tuesday. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: agree with almost everything Rick new Isel says about college football,
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Speaker 1: but I do think he's a little bit off. I think,
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Speaker 1: as I mentioned in our last segment, I think there
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Speaker 1: is an argument for Notre Dame to be above Miami. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think there's a very good one. And yet I
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Speaker 1: think there's a very good argument for Miami, because of
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Speaker 1: that head to head win, to be ahead of Notre
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Speaker 1: Dame since they both have the same records. I think
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Speaker 1: there's a great argument for Texas to get into this,
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Speaker 1: and I don't want to squelch potential great matchup like
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Speaker 1: Ohio State and Texas because teams are like, there's no
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Speaker 1: benefit to it.
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Speaker 3: You know, you just put yourself at risk.
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Speaker 1: But let's also point out that Texas would be in
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Speaker 1: it if they just didn't lose to a bad Florida team.
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Speaker 1: They would be in it, and they would be ranked
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Speaker 1: pretty highly. They would be the highest ranked two loss
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Speaker 1: team in this entire process. So, look, they're gonna be
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter how small or big you make this thing.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna be a couple of teams who have a
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Speaker 1: great case for being in it. They're gonna be left
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Speaker 1: out and the conversation that follows is part of the fun. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and it stinks if I mean Vanderbilt. I feel terrible
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Speaker 1: for Vanderbilt. I don't know how many chances they're gonna
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Speaker 1: get to ever be here. I don't know how many
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Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy candidates they're going to have for the rest
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Speaker 1: of their lives. I'd love to see the Vanderbilt Commodores
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Speaker 1: led by Diego Pavia get into this tournament field, but
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Speaker 1: they're not going to. Somebody's going to be left out
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Speaker 1: of the process. And so yes, let's have our debates.
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Speaker 1: But the anger that people are already established seems strange
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Speaker 1: to me.
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Speaker 4: Well, especially we don't know how they're going to actually
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Speaker 4: what's going to We don't know what's going to happen
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Speaker 4: in these games, so we have no idea what's going
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Speaker 4: to happen on Sunday. So you know, baby steps, don't
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Speaker 4: just get your preemptive anger because you want to get
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Speaker 4: all riled up, thinking the louder I am, the more
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Speaker 4: likely they'll hear us, and then they'll definitely, you know,
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Speaker 4: reward our team.
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Speaker 2: That's not the way it works. I don't care.
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Speaker 1: I wish you would have been as angry about us
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Speaker 1: not having a tournament. I mean, that would have been great.
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Speaker 1: I could have used the support for fifty years of
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Speaker 1: my life. Yeah right, you know that. You know, where
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Speaker 1: were you with me boycotting the Bowl games until they
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Speaker 1: gave us a tournament? And instead people seem to be
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Speaker 1: more angry with the committee for making a difficult decision
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Speaker 1: that they haven't even made yet.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very strange.
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Speaker 1: Alabama is also a very interesting story here because there
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Speaker 1: are people at ESPN, big names at kirk kurb Street.
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Speaker 1: Nick Saban talked about it on Saturday that think that
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Speaker 1: your resumes should end at the end of the regular season,
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Speaker 1: that you should not get punished because you earned a
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Speaker 1: right into the conference championship game, had to play an
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Speaker 1: extra game and may lose to a team that you
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Speaker 1: beat during the regular season. That shouldn't affect your status
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Speaker 1: as a playoff team. I get that argument too, but
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Speaker 1: it has to affect it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Otherwise, why are you having the games?
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Speaker 7: Right?
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna affect Georgia. I mean, if Bama
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Speaker 1: beats Georgia, Georgia's gonna slide down, right, They're not gonna
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Speaker 1: be the third ranked team in the tournament. They're not
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Speaker 1: gonna get a buye in the first round. If they
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Speaker 1: loseed Alabama and if Alabama beats them twice, there's no
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Speaker 1: way you can rank Georgia ahead of Alabama. No chance
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Speaker 1: that you could do that. So if Alabama loses that
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Speaker 1: game and they lost a Florida State at the beginning
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Speaker 1: of the year and got trashed, yes, it has to
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Speaker 1: factor in. If we're saying there's an eyelash difference between
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Speaker 1: Alabama and Notre Dame, and an eyelash difference between Notre
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Speaker 1: Dame and Miami, and an eyelash difference between Miami and
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Speaker 1: Texas's resume, you better believe losing a third game conference
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Speaker 1: championship or not has to factor into that decision.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I just again, you have the games right now,
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Speaker 4: So if you don't want them to factor in in
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Speaker 4: the future, get rid of the games.
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Speaker 2: But right now they have to matter.
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Speaker 1: I think they are going to get rid of them. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I think that we are going to get rid
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Speaker 1: of the possibility to have two group of five teams
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Speaker 1: in a twelve team tournament field. I think that will
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Speaker 1: get adjusted immediately after this season, even if it doesn't happen.
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Speaker 2: The possibility that it could have.
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Speaker 1: The fact that they're crapping their pants right now that
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Speaker 1: this could happen. They're going to get rid of that.
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Speaker 1: They're going to have different requirements for whether a group
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Speaker 1: of five team even can get in at all, especially
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Speaker 1: a two loss tu Lane. A two loss Tulane gets
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Speaker 1: in over Miami. That's what people should be like, we
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Speaker 1: can't They're not enough about not angry because it's part
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Speaker 1: of the rules, but angry because we can't let that
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Speaker 1: happen again. Yes, so you know, we're still in the
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Speaker 1: infancy stages. It's just year number two of the tournament.
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Speaker 1: I love that it's here. Everyone should love that it
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Speaker 1: is here. There are still some things to figure out
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Speaker 1: about it until we can get the exact right system.
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Speaker 1: We're not there yet, but let's learn from that again
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Speaker 1: this year and maybe we can get there at least
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Speaker 1: closer to it next season.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 1: All right, college basketball this week and you dub will
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Speaker 1: be at USC and uh man, this is always a
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Speaker 1: scary proposition.
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Speaker 2: Put down your sphere, but I'm fighting the Trojans.
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Speaker 3: Cut up today, but I'm ready. You taught me how
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Speaker 3: to fight.
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Speaker 1: You're a good student.
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Speaker 3: You're not a moment in yet, that's right.
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Speaker 2: Not today, tomorrow, Yeah, you gotta wait.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, grab your spirit tomorrow. Yeah, not today. We're not
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Speaker 1: playing them today.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't do it today. You're gonna be early, and
15:47
Speaker 4: nobody wants an early bird.
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Speaker 1: That's the point Brad was making right there. It's like,
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Speaker 1: you're not playing today, playing tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just traveling today.
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Speaker 1: You played UCLA to a bucket Wednesday night. But that's
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Speaker 1: an OH to one star for the Dogs in conference play.
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Speaker 1: They'll be at USC tomorrow at three o'clock. Number twenty
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Speaker 1: four ranked USC off to an eight and oh start
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Speaker 1: this year, but they will be facing a pair of
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Speaker 1: former Trojans in Desmond Claude and Wesley Yates. The third.
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Speaker 1: CBS Sports has described the start of this college basketball
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Speaker 1: season as the best ever.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's a statement, that's dumb.
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Speaker 1: But what they're trying to highlight is that if you're
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Speaker 1: just locked into the football world right now, and it's
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Speaker 1: hard not to be as a sports fan, there is
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Speaker 1: this freshman class Ashley in college basketball this year, which
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Speaker 1: is fantastic, and so there's some really good basketball being played.
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Speaker 1: There's new stars that have emerged on the college basketball landscape,
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Speaker 1: and so that's what they mean. So if you're just
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Speaker 1: waiting till the football season to end before you watch
16:53
Speaker 1: any basketball, you might be doing yourself with this service.
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Speaker 1: The greatest season ever. No, it's not even possible. Oilers
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Speaker 1: last night took on the crack and the crack and
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Speaker 1: are certainly in a slump right now. But last night,
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Speaker 1: I mean, that was ridiculous. They couldn't stop Edmonton at all.
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Speaker 8: Call I slot called shoot stocked away prebout Savoy scorers.
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Speaker 8: That is the fourth power play goal for the Admilton Oilers,
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Speaker 8: the second of the night for Matt Savoy.
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Speaker 1: Nine three.
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Speaker 2: Ed moan tone it's great.
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Speaker 3: He is evert fits you on the call.
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Speaker 1: It was edmontone nine crack and four ended up being
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Speaker 1: the final score. They scored nine times.
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Speaker 2: Niner nine times, nine times? Did I catch a niner?
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Speaker 4: In?
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Speaker 5: There?
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Speaker 2: Were you calling from awakie talkie?
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Speaker 1: Cracking are officially in their first slump of the Laine
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Speaker 1: Lambert era. They have lost four straight games. They have
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Speaker 1: not scored a power play goal in any of the
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Speaker 1: four games, and last night they allowed nine goals to
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Speaker 1: Connor McDavid and company. Yeah, get out of it. Their
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Speaker 1: next chance to get out of it is against Detroit tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: Night at home seven o'clock.
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Speaker 1: They will drop the puck and finally, man, it's not
18:19
Speaker 1: just football and basketball and hockey this week and ed
18:23
Speaker 1: ride Baseball's back into our lives. Wait, hey, are you listening?
18:29
Speaker 2: Woo in the league?
18:31
Speaker 1: Single is listening? Oh you're on the night the beautiful sight.
18:36
Speaker 1: We're happy tonight walk in the winter and oh winter
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Speaker 1: meetings start on Sunday and into early next week. This
18:48
Speaker 1: used to be a playground for all sorts of MLB trades.
18:53
Speaker 1: It really hasn't been recently, and that is annoying. But
18:58
Speaker 1: I don't really I mean free agency last all off
19:01
Speaker 1: season and because of Scott Boris sometimes into the regular season.
19:06
Speaker 1: But this is where all the general managers in baseball
19:10
Speaker 1: have decided volunteered, volunteered to go to one warm location,
19:16
Speaker 1: to hang out in the same hotel, eat at the
19:19
Speaker 1: same restaurants, drink the same scotch, smoke the same cigars,
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Speaker 1: and talk trades. So if there's gonna be a Mariner
19:26
Speaker 1: trade this offseason, maybe this is the playground for that.
19:32
Speaker 1: So we shall see. We're going to talk next about
19:35
Speaker 1: the stove. That's right, Mariner's second base position. What are
19:39
Speaker 1: we going to end up with at the end of
19:41
Speaker 1: the off season. We'll discuss it next here on Chuck
19:43
Speaker 1: and Buck Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. Thanksgiving
19:46
Speaker 1: with the family, and then you got gifts for everybody Christmas,
19:52
Speaker 1: And I know it's hard to shove in there another holiday,
19:55
Speaker 1: but you know what, tis the season, right.
19:58
Speaker 2: Nashley, Tis the damn season.
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Speaker 1: So let's not exhaust all of your joy and joy
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Speaker 1: spreading at the winter meetings here this upcoming week and
20:08
Speaker 1: forget about Christmas.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't do that.
20:12
Speaker 1: Don't do that.
20:12
Speaker 3: I think Christmas is important.
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Speaker 4: Just remember, yeah, you and you've got but you've got
20:16
Speaker 4: to just it's all part of the joy of the season, right,
20:20
Speaker 4: Every part has its due and Christmas is no different.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. You got a lot of Christmas
20:25
Speaker 1: parties to attend. How can you go to another five
20:29
Speaker 1: Winter Meetings parties? Hard this week? It's going to be difficult,
20:33
Speaker 1: but you know what, just do it because in February
20:36
Speaker 1: you're gonna be bored and you're like, man, if I
20:37
Speaker 1: could just go to a Winter's Meeting party, I.
20:40
Speaker 4: Will say this, Yeah, the joy of a Winter Meeting
20:43
Speaker 4: party is technically in your mind.
20:45
Speaker 2: You could go all winter long.
20:47
Speaker 3: That's true. That's true. You could just in your heart
20:50
Speaker 3: just do it.
20:50
Speaker 1: But yes, Winter meetings start on Sunday. Let's talk about
20:53
Speaker 1: our second base position here heading into the Winter meetings,
20:57
Speaker 1: because it's a very fascinating one. First of all, I
21:01
Speaker 1: mean Hora Polonko. Yes, that seems to be the objective
21:04
Speaker 1: right now. The next objective from the organization is to
21:08
Speaker 1: try to bring back Orge Polanco on a new deal,
21:12
Speaker 1: and it will be a multi year deal. I think
21:15
Speaker 1: if it got to three years, I think Justin and
21:17
Speaker 1: Jerry are like, sorry, sorry, Bud thirty two years old,
21:21
Speaker 1: bout injury history. You had one of two good years
21:23
Speaker 1: with us, and even your good year you had injuries.
21:26
Speaker 1: And so I don't think we're gonna invest three years.
21:29
Speaker 1: If you can find that deal in Pittsburgh or Kansas
21:32
Speaker 1: City or Milwaukee, which has been suggested out there, we're
21:36
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to let you go. If he says
21:39
Speaker 1: two years, let's say fourteen million a year, let's say,
21:43
Speaker 1: you know, in that range twenty five to twenty eight
21:45
Speaker 1: million a year, then I think if he's good with that,
21:49
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a Mariner. But I'm
21:51
Speaker 1: not sure Ashley, he's gonna be the Mariner's second baseman.
21:54
Speaker 1: To me, I don't want to retard the progress of
21:58
Speaker 1: cole Young. Cole Young was handled the right way. He
22:03
Speaker 1: might have been rushed to the majors because we had
22:05
Speaker 1: a second base need.
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Speaker 3: He might not have been ready for that. And yet when.
22:11
Speaker 1: It came time to make decision, when he got to
22:14
Speaker 1: the playoff Chase, Cole Young wasn't playing as much. He
22:17
Speaker 1: didn't make the roster, he didn't earn it. He shouldn't
22:20
Speaker 1: have made the roster. He had to go with Polonko
22:23
Speaker 1: at second base. But ideally for me, what you want
22:27
Speaker 1: to do is bring Polonko back to be your primary DH,
22:32
Speaker 1: but not like a Nelson Cruz DH. We're going to
22:36
Speaker 1: have you work out at second with Cole. I might
22:39
Speaker 1: even give you another crack at third in spring training.
22:42
Speaker 1: So remember, I mean he was terrible defensively at third
22:46
Speaker 1: base at the beginning of this past year, but he
22:49
Speaker 1: was also learning a new position while trying to reab
22:52
Speaker 1: from an injury, so he wasn't exactly in a great
22:54
Speaker 1: place to be working with Perry Hill to begin with.
22:58
Speaker 3: And so maybe you give him another.
22:59
Speaker 1: Shot as long as he's healthy, and he's going to
23:01
Speaker 1: be healthy, otherwise you don't sign him to a deal, right,
23:04
Speaker 1: So what I would like to do with him is
23:06
Speaker 1: be our primary DH. Cole Young's our primary second baseman.
23:11
Speaker 1: But if Cole Young, he's still just twenty one, does
23:14
Speaker 1: just theater, then I can put jre in at second
23:17
Speaker 1: base because we've still been working out with him at
23:21
Speaker 1: second base. But I think Cole Young is going to
23:23
Speaker 1: be really good. I saw enough out of him this
23:25
Speaker 1: past year, and I know they believe in him. I mean,
23:29
Speaker 1: we went into spring training last year and they were
23:31
Speaker 1: saying Cole Young, if he shows out will win the
23:34
Speaker 1: job at second base in spring training, so they think
23:37
Speaker 1: the world of him.
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Speaker 3: So to me, that's the scenario.
23:41
Speaker 1: I want Polonko back, but as our primary DH, and
23:46
Speaker 1: I want Cole Young to start at second base on
23:48
Speaker 1: opening day.
23:48
Speaker 2: Well, and I think that's good.
23:49
Speaker 4: It saves you in a lot of ways too, because obviously,
23:52
Speaker 4: as we know from this last year, injuries happened throughout
23:55
Speaker 4: the season. It gives you extra options, extra safety net there,
23:58
Speaker 4: and goodness knows we can use that, especially when you
24:01
Speaker 4: get down to the end of the season and you're
24:03
Speaker 4: trying to make the playoffs by one game or two games.
24:05
Speaker 4: You know, to have that person that is first of
24:09
Speaker 4: all a DHU feel comfortable with and can rely on.
24:12
Speaker 2: Sorry, Mitch didn't really trust you as a DH last.
24:14
Speaker 1: Year, but then Buckie loved him.
24:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, well his favorite.
24:18
Speaker 4: But then to be able to step in and to
24:21
Speaker 4: fill that role at second base or potentially if you
24:23
Speaker 4: had to at third base, I mean you're just now
24:25
Speaker 4: you're you know, the Mariners love to be able to
24:27
Speaker 4: have people that can do multiple things, that is sure.
24:30
Speaker 1: That is I think everybody, Yeah, everybody does, especially Yeah,
24:34
Speaker 1: And then I know what people are saying Okay, fine,
24:36
Speaker 1: Cole Young's a second. We'll deal with the growing pains.
24:40
Speaker 1: We still do have Ryan Bliss. There are other options.
24:42
Speaker 1: Polunco could be the backup emergency if it's not work
24:45
Speaker 1: and put him in a second. So there's some options there,
24:47
Speaker 1: But that means we can't have Ben Williamson at third.
24:51
Speaker 1: Can't have them both in the lineup to start the season. Well,
24:53
Speaker 1: of course you can. And and I think that what
24:57
Speaker 1: the Mariners did this offseason they fell in love with
25:00
Speaker 1: and that was, hey, we've got a team with our pitching,
25:03
Speaker 1: that and with cal Rawley having gone to another stratosphere
25:07
Speaker 1: in terms of his stardom. That right now, even if
25:10
Speaker 1: we don't add anything else, we just bring back Polonko.
25:14
Speaker 1: We're a playoff team. And then let's use the season
25:18
Speaker 1: to assess where our holes are. Maybe Ben Williamson won't
25:21
Speaker 1: be a hole. Certainly plays great defense, absolutely certainly gives
25:25
Speaker 1: you a scrappy at bat. It's just he doesn't have
25:28
Speaker 1: much power. So if that is our hole, then we'll
25:31
Speaker 1: be aggressive at the trading deadline. One name that keeps
25:36
Speaker 1: popping up this offseason is Brendan Donovan, and he's the
25:39
Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinals kind of a utility infielder, second base,
25:44
Speaker 1: third base, primarily so he could factor into the equation
25:47
Speaker 1: at either of these spots.
25:48
Speaker 2: Not to be confused with Brendan Ryan.
25:51
Speaker 3: No, and he continues to be linked to the Seattle Mariners.
25:55
Speaker 1: I like Brendan Donovan. I like the idea of having
25:59
Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan. I think he could be an asset to
26:02
Speaker 1: this team winning the World Series next year. But I
26:06
Speaker 1: certainly don't love Brendan Donovan. And based on some of
26:09
Speaker 1: the things that are being discussed out there that you
26:12
Speaker 1: have to love him in order to pay what it's
26:15
Speaker 1: going to require to get him. I mean, I have
26:18
Speaker 1: heard and this isn't just goofballs trying to get attention
26:22
Speaker 1: on social media. Anthony Kastrovins, who writes and does a
26:27
Speaker 1: lot of trade articles for MLB Network, He's like, here's
26:31
Speaker 1: a trade. Mariners get Brendan Donovan, Cardinals get Jerangelo Saint
26:35
Speaker 1: Gee and Las Montes. What cool your jets, dude? I
26:41
Speaker 1: would I wouldn't trade one of either one of those
26:45
Speaker 1: guys straight up for Brendan Donovan. I mean, this guy
26:48
Speaker 1: with ten home runs and three stolen bases, so he
26:51
Speaker 1: doesn't have power, he doesn't have speed. He does have
26:53
Speaker 1: a hit tool, he does put the ball in play,
26:55
Speaker 1: and I like those guys, but there's no way I'm
27:00
Speaker 1: moving a top prospect for two years of a scrappy
27:05
Speaker 1: you know, beer bellied doesn't have a position.
27:10
Speaker 2: Painting him in such a great light right now.
27:12
Speaker 1: I can't hit for power and can't run. I'm not
27:14
Speaker 1: There's no way I'm giving up if that's the price tag,
27:17
Speaker 1: If that's truly the price tag. And there are guys
27:19
Speaker 1: that are that infatuated with Brendan Donovan out there that
27:22
Speaker 1: they're willing to give up one or two top prospects
27:25
Speaker 1: for him, then let them do it.
27:27
Speaker 3: Yes, And I hope.
27:28
Speaker 1: That Jerry and Justin aren't one of them. I hope
27:30
Speaker 1: they're not hanging out in the same group. I hope
27:32
Speaker 1: they're not behind the building with those people smoking cigarettes.
27:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, put the dope down.
27:36
Speaker 1: Yeah. So no, I yes, I'm interested. I brought this
27:40
Speaker 1: up on stove and the podcast really breaks down a
27:42
Speaker 1: lot of this. It's Andrews and I Winter Meeting preview
27:45
Speaker 1: if you want to check that out at ninety three
27:46
Speaker 1: to three KJR dot com. But if Brendan Donovan is
27:49
Speaker 1: walking down the street and he's got his uniform on,
27:53
Speaker 1: he's got his cleats over his shoulder and a baseball
27:55
Speaker 1: bat sticking out of his Duffel bag, and he's just
27:58
Speaker 1: wandering the streets aimlessly. And the Mariners bus pulls up
28:01
Speaker 1: next to Brendan. Donovan says, what's going on, man, just
28:05
Speaker 1: looking for a team to play with.
28:08
Speaker 6: Hop the board, Come on, come on, come on over,
28:11
Speaker 6: pick him up, get on the bus. Yeah, but obviously
28:17
Speaker 6: you have to make a decision. We got to take
28:19
Speaker 6: somebody off the bus because he's not a free agent,
28:23
Speaker 6: So you got to take somebody off the bus. To me,
28:26
Speaker 6: that's like Dom Canzone. Maybe you know, that's that's.
28:32
Speaker 3: Who I'm giving up. I'm not giving up a.
28:35
Speaker 1: Switch pitcher who could be quite the asset going forward
28:39
Speaker 1: for years to come. And I'm certainly not giving up
28:42
Speaker 1: Las Montes, who has fifty homer potential at the major
28:45
Speaker 1: League and could be the next Yar down Alvarez. You
28:48
Speaker 1: imagine how miserable will all be if ten years from
28:51
Speaker 1: now Montes really is the next year down Alvarez. And
28:54
Speaker 1: we got two years of a pudgy middle infielder.
28:57
Speaker 2: And Saint Jay's out there pitching with both arms at
28:59
Speaker 2: the same time.
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Speaker 1: Well, I do like him, but there's no way I'm
29:04
Speaker 1: only paying I'm only giving in a trade what I
29:08
Speaker 1: would give for somebody. I kind of like, there's no
29:10
Speaker 1: way that I'm giving up a love package, not for
29:13
Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan. All Right, Humellanal join us at the top
29:16
Speaker 1: of the hour with ex'es and o's Mike Holm Renal
29:18
Speaker 1: join us before the show comes to a close. Coming
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Speaker 1: up next, We've done it all season long, a Big
29:22
Speaker 1: Ten preview and there's only one game left. Sports Radio
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Speaker 5: The new Robin Hood.
29:30
Speaker 7: I mean he can get a hundred paces away and
29:33
Speaker 7: take an arrow out and hit an apple. I mean
29:36
Speaker 7: his downfield accuracy is off the charts. And when you
29:41
Speaker 7: do that with guys like Carnel Tate and Jeremiah Smith
29:44
Speaker 7: who are open more often than not, it's something to behold.
29:47
Speaker 7: I love the Indiana story. The question is can they
29:50
Speaker 7: stay close enough to get.
29:51
Speaker 1: A bye ring New Eiel on the Big Ten Championship game?
29:57
Speaker 1: And yes, what a game we've got tomorrow five o'clock
30:02
Speaker 1: Indiana taken on OHIOO State the Ohio State Buckeyes. So
30:09
Speaker 1: coach is going to take Ohio State and I am too.
30:12
Speaker 1: I think they're even better than they were a year ago.
30:15
Speaker 1: I think on the defensive side of the ball. Yeah,
30:18
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia has done a great job as defensive coordinator.
30:20
Speaker 3: But they might have like ten first round picks.
30:24
Speaker 1: I mean it is ridiculous. Yeah, and that that didn't
30:27
Speaker 1: even tap into the best player in the country on
30:31
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball, and Jeremiah Smith and
30:34
Speaker 1: a really good young quarterback in Saying. I hope Julian
30:39
Speaker 1: Saying is not invited to the Heisman ceremony. I have
30:43
Speaker 1: a really big problem with us rewarding not products of
30:47
Speaker 1: the system, but rewarding guys who are like the seventh
30:51
Speaker 1: best player on their team being named the best player
30:54
Speaker 1: in the country.
30:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, that should be a problem, right, Yeah, I mean
30:58
Speaker 4: I would have a problem with that too.
30:59
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's there are like seven guys right now who
31:03
Speaker 1: are better at what they do for the Ohio State
31:06
Speaker 1: Buckeyes than Julian Sayan is at playing quarterback. And so
31:10
Speaker 1: it's not a product of the system argument. It's just
31:13
Speaker 1: it's just man, when you're surrounded with that much talent,
31:15
Speaker 1: you better be shoulders above all the other quarterbacks statistically
31:20
Speaker 1: in the country, and that's just not the case. And
31:23
Speaker 1: even in this game, he's not the best quarterback in
31:26
Speaker 1: this game. In terms of his merits for winning the Heisman,
31:31
Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza will probably win the award.
31:34
Speaker 3: I'd go with Diego Pavia.
31:35
Speaker 1: Frankly, but I think I think Mendoza is gonna end
31:39
Speaker 1: up winning the Heisman, and I think Ohio State's gonna end.
31:41
Speaker 3: Up winning the game and the national championship.
31:44
Speaker 4: To be quite honest, yeah, I still think that Ohio
31:47
Speaker 4: State's gonna win the game.
31:48
Speaker 2: I just think it's gonna be a close game.
31:50
Speaker 4: And that's why when we did factor fiction, I thought
31:52
Speaker 4: the five point spread was a lot.
31:54
Speaker 1: Please be close.
31:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want it to be close.
31:56
Speaker 4: So maybe it's my wishful thinking that we did a
31:58
Speaker 4: good game and it's and it's close, but I think
32:00
Speaker 4: it should be. I mean, because Ohio State's the number
32:02
Speaker 4: one defense Indiana is. Aren't they the number two defense
32:05
Speaker 4: in the country is?
32:06
Speaker 1: I don't know that I think they are. They might be.
32:09
Speaker 1: I mean they're not just some I mean we kind
32:11
Speaker 1: of when Signetti started this thing, everybody just thought Indiana
32:15
Speaker 1: was just some finesse team. They are not a finesse team.
32:18
Speaker 1: They will punch you in the mouth. They can do
32:20
Speaker 1: everything well. They can run the ball, they can throw
32:22
Speaker 1: the ball. They do have some finesse to them.
32:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are points allowed number two.
32:28
Speaker 1: There you go, but they are they are a winning
32:31
Speaker 1: the trenches kind of team. Just like, Oh, that's what
32:34
Speaker 1: Ohio State does, that's what Oregon does. I mean, everybody
32:38
Speaker 1: kind of attaches this because Ohio State's had this flood
32:40
Speaker 1: of wide receivers. No, they are one of those that
32:44
Speaker 1: everything up front is pretty dominant and then yeah, and
32:49
Speaker 1: so that's kind of how they win their football games.
32:53
Speaker 3: And same thing with Oregon. I mean we think of
32:55
Speaker 3: Oregon and.
32:55
Speaker 1: The uniforms and what Chip Kelly did to kind of
32:59
Speaker 1: change the program entirely, and so we kind of attach
33:02
Speaker 1: finesse to Oregon. Oh, they're not finesse. They'll punch you
33:06
Speaker 1: right in the mouth. That's how they win football games.
33:08
Speaker 1: And that's how Ohio State wins them for the most part,
33:11
Speaker 1: and that's how Indiana wins them. It doesn't mean they
33:13
Speaker 1: can be finesse, it doesn't mean they can't blow the
33:15
Speaker 1: lid off of you and score fifty points. That's why
33:19
Speaker 1: they're national championship contenders.
33:22
Speaker 2: Frankly, that's why they're number one and two in the
33:23
Speaker 2: country right now.
33:24
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's I just am fascinated by this game
33:27
Speaker 4: because I do think these teams, the matchup is just
33:30
Speaker 4: so intriguing. You do have such good defenses and then
33:32
Speaker 4: you've got the high powered offense of Indiana that we've seen,
33:36
Speaker 4: you know, just go.
33:37
Speaker 2: Nuts at times.
33:38
Speaker 4: So I'm intrigued to see how Ohio State's going to
33:40
Speaker 4: stop them. I'm intrigued to see how they're going to
33:42
Speaker 4: stop Ohio State. The whole thing is fascinating.
33:45
Speaker 1: The only thing that would disappoint me is if it
33:47
Speaker 1: is a blowout one way or the other. Yeah, I
33:49
Speaker 1: want a great game. I want this one of all
33:51
Speaker 1: of them to be a great game one versus two.
33:54
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? At this point in the year,
33:56
Speaker 1: this is this is just some fantastic stuff. So yes,
34:00
Speaker 1: we've provided this service of a Big Ten preview every
34:03
Speaker 1: single week at eight forty five on Fridays on Football Fridays,
34:07
Speaker 1: and part of that also has been our fantasy league
34:10
Speaker 1: that we did this year. Congratulations, and we'll have a ceremony.
34:13
Speaker 1: We'll have an official ceremony. But Christopher Kidd, Yeah, I
34:17
Speaker 1: hate him. I got to give him. I mean he
34:22
Speaker 1: got a little bit along. I think he won because
34:25
Speaker 1: he avoided more injuries than.
34:26
Speaker 3: The rest of us.
34:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did get lucky there.
34:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think he also ended up winning because
34:32
Speaker 1: he didn't make as many moves as us. He kept
34:35
Speaker 1: passing and so he got a little bit lucky on
34:38
Speaker 1: that front. But he also drafted the best. I mean
34:41
Speaker 1: he had three of the four guys that he had
34:43
Speaker 1: drafted originally ended up on his team. He had Denzel
34:46
Speaker 1: Boston and Mackay Lemon and Fernando Mendoza was his quarterback
34:51
Speaker 1: in the fourth round. And I remember thinking that at
34:53
Speaker 1: the time, like should I have taken him? Yeah? That
34:57
Speaker 1: was a pick from heaven.
34:57
Speaker 2: That was so good.
34:59
Speaker 1: Congratulations to Christopher. We'll have your green jacket ceremony the
35:02
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