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Yoreh De’ah 205:1-2. Vows: Verbalizing a Vow By Self-Imposing a Prohibition, or Duplicating a Prohibition · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, good morning. We are continuing Helkos
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  Nadarium, we are on Simon Raish. Hey now really Raishay, this
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  little section of a few Simonium are really one topic.
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  They really all go together. So could I to listen to Raish
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  Dalid and we'll continue basically continue from where we
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  left off. Raishay Dina oser davar allav Ki
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  isur Tara. So here, right, we mentioned the
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  Dina pasa there's doing making a nether by duplicating something
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  else that became also it was optional, became another became
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  a korban. It's optional.
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  So then it works. It becomes another nether.
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  But if you duplicate it, you you are, I don't know the best word
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  for it duplicating. It's somewhere in between
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  duplicating and comparing mouthpiece.
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  So use the word mouthpiece. If you're going to be mouthpiece
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  on a dove or isser like novella and trefo we mentioned
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  yesterday, then it doesn't work. So that's Ki isser Torah,
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  something that's already aser minatara.
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  I let's pause for one SEC. And yesterday I mentioned, I
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  think it was yesterday. How and Kamala Rambam, the
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  Rambam is great. So therefore an explaining
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  topics. So it's slightly unusual, but
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  here the Shah, he quotes pretty much a couple halachos from the
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  Rambam. So you can understand what's
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  going on. It'll be a little bit of new and
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  a little bit of a review what we just said, but I am going to
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  read a few lines, quite a few lines from the Shah because it's
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  really helpful. It's really a few lines from the
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  Rambam, but we have it in our Shah.
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  OK in the beginning it just points out we know we have the
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  pasaka bahmidbar ish khidor neder lasham.
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  When a person makes a neder now khazal say nadaram AAD shiyadur
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  bedavarhan nadur. The only time it could become
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  hats pasta. You can make a neder based on
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  use comparing some other item. That other item has to be made
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  another in itself. It had to start out being
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  Heather and then you turned it into an ISR or Hechtish,
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  whatever it is. So that's the only time right
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  from that's from the learn that from the double expression of
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  Kiyidor Neder. There's any quotes from the
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  Rambam. Now the Rambam's going to point
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  out from the beginning of Helkos Nadarin.
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  There are two main categories going to be partially or we did
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  say this at least, but it's good to see it inside.
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  It's it's got clarity Akhela Kharisha.
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  All right, so there's two ways to make something usser Beneder
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  verbally ushi ESR al atsimo to make something us.
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  You say that something is going to become usser on yourself,
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  right? That's one way to go.
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  And shiyomar perot Medina perot Medina plonit assuriyam alai
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  khoshala shimyong Ola Ola. The person says, you know, I
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  don't know Jaffa oranges, asfa Shalom, whatever it is, any kind
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  of you take, I don't know Kiwi from New Zealand, whatever it
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  is, that's just a some example. You take any type of fruit and
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  you say it's usser on me. So then it becomes usser on you.
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  You don't have to use hatpasa. You don't have to say it's like
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  a carbon. You can say I'm making a usser
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  on me. That's that's those.
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  That's the words of the Pasak as it says later on in quotes and
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  I'm Arbatara. Let us sorry isar al naf show,
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  right? That's all you have to do is you
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  have to say something that's ussered to you.
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  Now. You could say it's for 30 days,
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  You can say it's forever. Whatever your tanai is or
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  whatever your wording is, then it's ka and then alphabishen
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  sham shivua klavala oscarach sham villa kinoy.
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  You don't have to use the word we already said korban.
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  You don't have to use the word of a shivua.
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  You don't have to use Hashem's name.
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  You don't have to use a kinoy of a sham's name.
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  It doesn't matter. You say something is user unto
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  you and now you made it user. So again, we must be very
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  careful on how we speak, OK, and then you can make something user
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  unto you. Also, if a person says harihen
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  alai, it's harih E lua Suri. If you just say the words this
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  thing for me on to me is user, then it becomes user to you.
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  That's another and that's the first category called Nidre
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  Isor. So I don't think we expounded on
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  that very much yesterday, but that's I believe you have to say
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  it out loud. No, for sure.
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  It doesn't have to be in front of people.
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  Let's see what? Let's see if we what we find
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  inside. But I believe so.
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  I can't say with 100%. Certainly I believe so.
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  And then what about the second category?
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  That's what we spoke about yesterday.
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  Who is she? Khayevatsma, The korban.
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  You make something else wrong to you with the korban.
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  In other words, Kaganshi Omar Hari Alai Laviola.
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  So there's two ways. There's two categories in this
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  category. One is you making yourself bring
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  a korban actually, right, an actual korban, like we mentioned
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  in the very beginning, it could be a, it could be a Neder or an
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  Adava, but whatever it is, it's really a neder.
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  Those are subcategories of a neder really.
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  It's essentially on a Kefetz and a right bringing a korban.
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  The korban is the Kefetz. So it's under the category of
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  Neder, but for akarias purposes. So there's a subcategory
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  division between Nedava and Neder, OK, that we mentioned
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  earlier a couple days ago. Fine.
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  So 1. So under this category, a person
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  actually is Makhayev himself, Teruna korban or Omar Pay.
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  If someone says perot elu, I like korban, these fruits are on
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  to me like a korban or as a korban, OSHA Amar harehem
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  korban. These are like a korban or
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  whatever expression of the like. We're not going to write this
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  different expressions, but you're making something into
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  this is Nidre hektish or Nidre korban.
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  OK, so that is the second category.
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  Now for this, you're either making a korban, A korban or
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  you're making your thing usser through hot pasa.
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  Hot pasa applies to this second category that that's what we
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  discussed in detail yesterday. OK.
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  And he just says at the end, yeah, claw at the very end he
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  just says, OK, in order to make a net there, that's what we
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  already said. If you're going to compare it to
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  something else, that other item that you're duplicating has to
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  also be optional that it was mutter and then you made it
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  usser through a net there or right, you have cooling animals
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  and you turned it into hectish or you had something that was
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  mutter. You turn that into isser and
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  then you made then you just have pasta onto that thing type of
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  thing. You know, you can keep on going,
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  but that's the only time it can be.
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  OK, so let's read it inside the Afuque.
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  What we're about to read Olive haomer perot alu alai Amin ploni
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  alai amasha oka imploni alai ke basar khazir.
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  So he's basically saying this fruit unto me is, or this item
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  unto me is, or what I'm about to eat with or eating with
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  somebody, this item is. OK.
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  That's all the examples. Ke basser khazir, instead of
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  saying ke hectesh korban, the shokan and the migdash are the
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  heikal. Are we all the other words that
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  we had before. You didn't use those words.
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  You use basser khazir. Khazir.
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  From day one it was always usser.
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  The Torah says it's usser, right?
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  Like in a veil and shaifa, whatever it is, anything that's
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  aser because the Torah says it's aser.
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  All right. It's not optional.
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  It was never a mutter that became aser.
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  It's it's, it's always intrinsically.
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  Yes, Sir. Oh, cava de Zara, you say?
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  This item should be on to me like cava de Zara oka nebela
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  teresis trefos. Oh kayote SE bakaye bahelu.
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  Any similar example the Theina Omer le Ishto or if a man tells
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  his wife hurry AT alai in me, you are on to me like my mother,
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  right? A child, a son cannot be with
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  his mother. That's obviously we know that,
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  Araios. So he's comparing his mother,
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  his wife to his mother for other reasons that might not be a good
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  idea. Let's not get into that.
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  Oh ka koti, compare your wife to your sister, OK or Allah.
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  Are you saying my wife should be on to me like or Allah or
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  Kaquila Karim right? All these like kalayim.
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  Well, OK, Harry elu mutarium, these things are a hundred 100%
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  all these items that you try to make user to you through a
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  nether. It wasn't Khal.
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  There was no nether. You said the wrong thing didn't
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  work. If you compare it to something
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  that was already user and always user, then it's not not a valid
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  nether. It's not khal.
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  Nothing happened the ancon nether all right, so you're
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  still mutter to eat those items or to be with your wife the
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  kool-aid. Not sure if it helps or not, but
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  I'll just point out why not. The taz explains also because
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  any of these items that we just said that are aser, they're
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  already Aser. Mitzad, Osman, the Exim, they're
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  Aser. So therefore you can't say that
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  I want my item, this new item, this fruit, why?
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  Whatever it is, I want to compare this fruit to these
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  items because it can never be like these items.
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  These items always usser from the gecko and your thing that
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  you're ussering wasn't so it's not shaya.
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  OK, I mean really it's a Pasok. It's a there's a there's a kasu
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  over. However you want to find it.
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  Taz just helps to try and just helps to explain it a little bit
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  more. OK, let's go on.
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  I skip the word the IM Haya umair amaharetz.
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  Now what if an amaharetz said these these lashonos to make a
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  nether on something that's asur, right?
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  You did have the pasta with something that's asur.
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  So we know it's not called doesn't work, but he did it
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  anyway. So then you have to go to a in
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  order to ask on how to undo it. Umarin beenab shiishto asura
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  Vishalotam peros asurin umah mirin Allah.
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  So the the Rav has to make it like he has to pretend like all
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  these things are really usser because he's he made another.
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  Now it's true, we know the Nether wasn't officially Khal,
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  but the Rav has to pretend that it was Khal Mahmiri and Allah
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  were mahmir on this person, right?
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  Technically it wasn't a Khal, but we tell him we have that it
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  is Khal. We treat it like it's Khal
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  Shaheen Dailo Becharata and it's not even enough for him.
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  Just to say I feel bad, I regret what I did.
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  We're going to get into undoing Nadaiam later on and let's sorry
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  lifto a low pet ahmi makomakhar. We have to find him some other
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  opening to undo it U material on Nidro and do a proper Natara
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  Sadarim Kadeshali and Hagu Carlos Roche benadarim so that
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  we're not no Haig Carlos Roche benadarim people should not have
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  levity and start making Nadarim left and right when they
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  shouldn't. Here, because we mentioned Alma
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  arts, We're going to continue, but I will just point out to you
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  that it's nice to say at the end, but we'll say it now.
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  The last Shah of the Simon in it has quotes that nowadays he
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  quotes from the Basiosaif the shame that Shiva Sarash but that
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  nowadays we consider everybody ahmarets.
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  I asked for Weiner and he felt anyone who is not Baki and
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  helkos nidarin well learned and is not machi.
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  The Homer Sedibor is considered a ammarets, so in general that
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  makes most of us, if not all of us.
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  Anyways, we generally just assume everyone is Alma arts is
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  really what the what comes out from from everything.
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  OK, let's keep reading inside. Haggah.
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  Yeesh. Omrim the Mizman azela kuli alma
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  Dainian Lukhi Alma arts and the Rama also says that nowadays
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  we're all considered alma arts Lafisha Ruben ain't on binetara
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  because most of us are not binetara omihu yeesha omrim
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  dafilo Bahama arts EN sarik shayla rakbe asar ishto Allah of
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  Allah Bashar Nadari. Now the Rama over here is
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  actually is is a mikko against again, how to apply it?
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  I'll leave it as it's Sarah Kiran Askirov.
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  But here the the Rama is it the words of the Rama?
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  Yeah, I believe so. Here the Rama writes that OK,
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  really the the Mishnah is the one that says we're Mahmirin
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  Bahama are it's and it only says the Mishnah mentions it and only
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  mentions it be Ishto. It doesn't mention it by any of
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  these other cases. So there it's what's a Mahlokas
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  the most Rishonium say this halacha only applies Bishto and
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  I believe that's how the Rama Paskins and the the the Shah
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  quotes the the Bach who sides with the Rambam that you need to
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  for an AMA Aritz, you need a Tara sundarium on any of these
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  items on fruit or anything he says that's the Rambam and the
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  Bach is Hoshish and Baskin's like the Rambam, but the Rama
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  Baskin's like most Rishoni and Rashwani Renukham.
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  And so Baskin's the Shah that this homra of we have to be a
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  Mahmir for the AMA Arets is only for one's wife, right?
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  The mission only says wife if a person.
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  But so the question is, was that an example or is that the only
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  time Khazal said we have to be Mahmir right.
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  Was that a one off or that was just like a Binion novel?
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  That was an example for all all other times.
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  So the Prisha explains why only by a wife is that this is we're
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  according according to those we've shown him to say it's only
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  referring to a wife. Why only the wife?
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  Why is for an AMA are it's for only a Mahmar by a wife.
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  So the Prisha explains because it becomes a problem of Movatel
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  piria verrivia. It's not going to be with his
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  wife. Sometimes it also is an allusion
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  to Shalom beis. But really it I mean didn't it's
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  period of irivia and we don't want we we're extra strict with
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  a man that he needs a tires a dime so that he doesn't make
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  such a nether in the 1st place. And the Ron explains no, because
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  it's normal for a man to be upset if his wife loses temper
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  with his wife and loses cool. So he'll make such a he'll make
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  such a statement another against his wife if he gets upset.
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  But by other items it's not so common.
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  So 'cause all weren't didn't busy themselves to be Mahmer.
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  OK, the Rama is meikle that yes, he did not need to do shells by
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  an arts unless it's he made another be Ishto and we're
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  talking about a neder that technically did not call.
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  That's the whole soggy over here.
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  And but we did see also that Rahma was also Mahmir Lakhatila
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  by the any time you say the words, something is Asura to me,
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  like like you said, a wife. Everyone agrees that's asser and
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  that's amamish neder. It's it's either a lashon of
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  isser or a lashon of Hatpassa. It's one or the other to make
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  some. That's what I tried to say.
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  There's two different sections. Kayla Rishon, Kayla Cheney in
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  the Rombum. It's in the shock.
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  OK. And maybe if you have to listen
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  to the one more time or see the shock inside.
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  But that's why I try. I wanted to repeat it today to
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  make it clear that it's two separate ways of making another.
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  And OK, very good. Let's let's let's read the next
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  eve bet Omer shiehei yeno yen nessa opito pat kutti person
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  says I'm going to make I want my I'm going to make my wine shall
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  be yeh Nasser or my bread shall be goyesha bread.
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  Pat kuti OK, LO nessar bekah. So the lacha is it didn't became
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  aser this way again, we're going to see more about this in a
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  couple simanium. So the shock basically tells you
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  that and he says we're assuming the case is normally Yeah, Nessa
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  was talking about traif wine from a goi and Pat Kuti's traif
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  bread from it's it's used for. What's his wording here?
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  Well, yeah, Nessa shall what is called a Lilium basically non
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  non kosher because you could have yeh Nessa for the korban.
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  You you could have whatever it is, but we're talking about.
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  Oh, that's the case on the yeh Nessa.
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  Exactly. So yeh Nessa saying Stam in
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  Lushan Beni Adam nowadays is non Jewish non kosher.
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  It's not talking or shall or yeh nessa shall shall go in.
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  We're not talking about the base of Migdash other other than
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  Mizvaya, because then otherwise it it would be called.
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  We'll get to that later. So normally when it's used
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  nowadays, the omersh that my wine shall become ye NASA
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  without specifying or pito pito kuti lo nemarbica lo nessarbica.
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  It did not become usser because you put it on something that's
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  you did have pasa with something that's usser.
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  You didn't do it Pasa with hectish aval.
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  I'm Robodera Kanas. OK, so now this is a different
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  caveat. It's a little bit of a different
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  spin. So that's why here we're going
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  to see Amaklokas Mahlokas Medin basically, not just the AMA arts
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  homerdin about IM Almorobudera Kanas.
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  You said it's a Kanas. You want to challenge yourself
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  or protect yourself to do the right thing.
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  So you say I want to do XO. I want to do I you know, I want
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  to do something or I don't want to be over this Avera.
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  And if I do, if I'm not Makai or my word or I do the violator,
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  whatever the whatever, what's it called?
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  I don't know. Dare is not the right word, but
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  whatever you you challenge yourself to do and you say and
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  if I fail, I'm going to make then this item is going to be.
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  Like yeh Nessa or this item's going to be like Pat Kuti.
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  So the avar, if a person right failed, violated it.
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  So then it's a Mahlokis. Now again, the Ekar I did and
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  everyone agrees it's not a proper Ned there.
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  It's not a proper Ned there because you are comparing to
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  something that's isser, not to a hectish, however, halachically
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  for a little bit of a different reason, not because to teach you
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  not really because we want to teach you how to behave and not
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  to have Kalas rush with Nadarian for a different reason.
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  It's a Machlocus Machlocus. We've shown him Yeh Ostream, the
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  Yeh Matirian. So so there he quotes the the
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  Shah, whatever the post can point out the Shah others that
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  what's the difference? Those who are say it's mutter is
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  because you didn't do it Pasa on something that's on something on
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  a door that could that could be a valid that on or on hectish.
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  It's you did it on an esser. So by definition, there's no
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  there's not a Ned there and there's no Takana against you.
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  The other opinion holds. I think that was the the Rivash
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  who says no, we were Mahmer, even though it's not really me
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  then Neder, but a person. There's a separate separate.
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  Then a person is allowed to make him to make something usser on
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  to him. He didn't.
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  A person can be macabre on him something extra.
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  Again, it's not a technical nether per SE, but he is taking
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  upon himself. He is able to make other stuff
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  usser on to him and and and it becomes binding.
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  I guess it's similar to another. I don't know.
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  You can see the words in the Shah or in in the rivash, but he
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  writes mikomakomiyaka hula Kabul al atsmo shikomo shibeti nuholim
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  llano shulahaf merely famimiotera medino can feed
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  Sarah Khasha. We all know Khazal or any basin
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  in any city. They can all get together and
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  they can make special takanas that are necessary to feed Sarah
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  Khasha right? They have to obviously be
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  responsible, but they are allowed to and so therefore a
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  person similarly also has this Co-op to make himself accept
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  upon himself extra whom wrote and they become binding.
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  I'm not sure if it's technically me the Ned there or not ask the
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  Rivash, but that's the that's the the two sides to the coin.
• 22:43
  OK, let's just finish here. Haga, the Fido Hachi BA AMA are
• 22:48
  it's Yeish Laatiro. And so then now here the gun the
• 22:51
  the Rama says, but for the AMA are it's one should be, although
• 22:55
  this is a little bit of a different case one right?
• 22:58
  It's a different spin from the regular Nader.
• 23:02
  This is in the future as like a punishment.
• 23:05
  So it's all right for a challenge.
• 23:08
  So then it's a little bit of a different din.
• 23:10
  It's not exactly the same. And therefore he says if by not
• 23:14
  certainly you should have to do a Taareus nidarium on him, you
• 23:17
  should certainly be Mahmir, right.
• 23:18
  Usually we say yeish Viyesh like the second one, yeish materian.
• 23:24
  But here, OK, here there's the the the Ramas is to be Mahmir of
• 23:31
  Akozeb by Yahi Chikiba Atmel, and this is by Yahid, who was
• 23:37
  accepted upon himself an extra coma of a Rabi Nekoli Mirdas
• 23:42
  Amardima, but that's it, says Bizmanah Sanhedrin.
• 23:54
  Oh, that's interesting. A sensor means it should be
• 23:58
  there or shouldn't be in there. Numerous places every generation
• 24:03
  the Rabbani have the power. I see.
• 24:05
  So they tried to take a back to hide it.
• 24:08
  I got so they added it in as a censure.
• 24:10
  Censorship they added to make it sound restricted to the olden
• 24:14
  days. OK, but we know from numerous
• 24:17
  chuvas and and many places that it applies.
• 24:21
  OK. Anyways Robbie Mccullumer does
• 24:22
  some more than a pushy machine any that seabor can do it.
• 24:26
  The Cole Masha goes in by Zelukayim and whatever they have
• 24:30
  to do, whatever is necessary that could be goes around and
• 24:33
  keep reading later on race Kaftet Misha Amar, what's the
• 24:39
  din with that?