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The Mummy · The Art of Costume Podcast

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I can imagine the Universal executive who's, like, in his
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studio apartment smoking a cigarette just watching tapes.
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He was like, whoa, like I took a dragon choke.
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He's like, what the hell is that?
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Someone get John Bloomfield on the phone, stat.
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Right. Hello, and welcome to the Art of
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Costume Podcast. I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass.
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And I'm an American explorer who loves to hang out in the
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Egyptian tombs, Spencer Williams.
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Oh, hello Spencer. Elizabeth, it's so good to see
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you. I feel like I say this every
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week, but it's been a hot. Minute.
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It has been a hot minute. We've both been a little a
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little busy. A little busy.
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I mean, I feel like, yeah, it feels like it's been longer than
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normal. It's, it's it's it's been a
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while. How are you?
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I'm. Doing OK.
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I got out into the yard today and was planning some things.
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There you go. And I'm very excited because two
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of my thyme plants came back and for one of them it is its second
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year Coming back. I had a Rosemary plant come
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back. My strawberries are spreading
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through my garden. I had one lavender plant come
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back for sure, although I had to, like, relocate it 'cause it
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didn't have enough space. And then I have a second one I
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had like hoped for. I think I just need to like trim
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it back and it'll be OK. But then like two years ago I
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started planting chamomile and it's like really spreading this
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year, so. Wow.
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I'm proud of myself. Elizabeth Joy Glass.
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She is a gardener. Mother Nature, I'm so proud of
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you, Peter, Costume designer. I'm trying.
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I so I was growing strawberries last year.
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No reason I just thought I could do it and I success successfully
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grew one whole strawberry but it is now dead.
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But it did. I did give birth to 1 strawberry
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so. Hey, it's Strawberry plants also
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take like a long time to produce a good yield 'cause like last
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year I hardly produced anything. I think that was its second
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year. No, it was the 2nd year for some
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of them. But then I planted more and then
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this year I'd already seen it was spreading.
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So I was like, I'm just gonna let this do its thing, and it
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seems to be like a little bit better this year.
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But apparently, like they take, they take a couple years to,
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like, actually produce good, good strawberries.
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I love how the listeners are just gaining an insight on all
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of our gardening, gardening and misadventures.
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You guys go again in a studio. What are you taking of all these
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plants? I've been trying to grow a Sage
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for like the past 3-4 years. My first year for some reason
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was my best year. Second year was a flop.
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We don't talk about it. Where where do you get your your
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plants? Or do you start them from seeds?
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I try to start everything from seeds.
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I just want the satisfaction and it's hard.
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It is very hard, that's why. That's why I gave up on that.
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I go to and you gotta go local. I go to a local Amish nursery.
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It's been run by these Amish women for like 3 generations.
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So I'm like, they know what they're doing and I always get
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quality, quality plans for like a good price.
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And they work out really well. And they're like, I like to
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like, get it, get it local. Because I know it's gonna be
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like, OK in like the soil and it's gonna be like OK for our
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climate. So when buying plants, go local.
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Right. I I don't know of any local
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Amish communities are selling plants, but I guess if you're
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listening to this podcast, feel free to hit me up, Yeah.
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I mean, we just have a lot of Amish people here.
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You might just have like just farmers who have a nursery with
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plants as well. Gotcha.
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Enough of these. This plant talk.
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For all those who aren't plant enthusiasts, I have a popcorn
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update. You know, I yeah, lots of
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stories happening at the movie theaters for me, so.
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This is exciting though. Yeah, it's been a while since
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we've had a popcorn update. Yeah, so I figured out the
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loophole to get myself that small baby popcorn.
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Yeah. I.
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Love just a little bit of popcorn.
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So I I pre-order my popcorn for I get the kids meal, right?
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It's it's for a kid. Me, I'm the kid, so I go.
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To. That's all you want.
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That's all you want. So I go to see Star Wars The
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Phantom Menace for its 25th anniversary.
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Lots of 25th anniversaries as we'll get into I.
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Need to decide if I need to go see that quickly in theater.
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It's worth it. I had such a good time.
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I went by myself and got this kids meal and the kids meal at
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this unnamed theater location. They the kids meal comes with a
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small popcorn and it comes with these fruit snacks called like
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fruity tooties and it comes with a drink so it gets meal and then
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it's like, do you want to upgrade your fruity tooties to
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like a candy or whatever? And I was like, yeah, I'll get,
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like, you know, this, this candy I wanted to get.
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So I get that and then I go over.
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But when I get there, I go straight to the bar and get
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myself like a little. Drinky.
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Yeah, like a old Fashioned or something.
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And I go over and pick up my kids meal and I walk into the
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theater. And they didn't give me my nerds
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gummy clusters. They gave me the fruity tooties.
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How dare they? As I started going to like my
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full Karen mode, getting ready to go complain, I realized I was
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a grown man asking why they gave me the fruity tooties as I was
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holding like a old Fashioned. OK Spencer, here's the thing.
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Here's the thing. These people don't know you.
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For all they know, you could be the father of a small child
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'cause we're of an age where we could have small children.
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That's true. Very true.
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Except this theater. Because I happen to produce a
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podcast that talks about movies and TV shows on a daily basis.
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I happen to frequent this theater about three to four
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times, basically in my pajamas, one step away from wearing Crocs
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of socks. I'll be here on a pretty daily
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basis so I can't pretend like I have a kid because they know I
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don't have a damn kid. You don't need to say you have a
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child, but for all they know you could be getting it for your
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child. All that being said, I ate the
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$2.00 and I did not in fact get my nerds gummy clusters and I
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did eat the fruity tutti fruit snacks.
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Well, I'm proud that you got the small popcorn that you wanted.
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Yeah, thank you. And I tore up the small popcorn
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and I didn't feel like I needed more.
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So right. The small popcorn's good, It's
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very good. It's the way to go.
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It is Speaking of Crocs. When did Crocs get cute 'cause I
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saw some very cute croc sliders and like flip flops and I was
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like, what? Can I actually be comfy and cute
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this summer? The way that Crocs are making a
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comeback is very terrifying to me.
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I saw some at Disneyland when I went with Chloe and Daniel.
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There were some like Haunted Mansion Crocs.
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Gotta say, I was like like. Like, I'm not here for, like,
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the clog Crocs. Like, if you want to wear those
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in your home and in your garden, I get it.
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Like, I get that you go for it. You be comfy.
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I don't get why people wear them in public.
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I don't know. Maybe that's just like
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millennial trauma from when they were, like, so unpopular.
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Right. Elizabeth and I would get beat
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up in high school. Oh yeah, when my mom got cocks
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and I was like, Oh my gosh, you got crap.
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Yeah, like, I'm gonna disown my own mother over these shoes.
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But they had. They came out with like this,
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their Miami collection, and I was like, I was like trying to
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get, like the Payless Bogo. I couldn't for them, 'cause they
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were new. But I was like, I 'cause, like,
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for my job, I'm on my feet a lot.
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So I'm like, my feet hurt all the time.
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And like, I just want my feet to be comfy.
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So I'm like, I need to try these cute Crocs.
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Elizabeth, I hate to say it, but I think you and I are starting
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to get to an age where we just enjoy comfort.
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I don't know. I think, I think we're starting
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to get there. I know.
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Well, you know one person who has not enjoyed Crocs or slides.
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It would be a mummy made emo tab.
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Everyone This week we watched one of my top ten favorite
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movies. Oh yeah.
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The mummy. From 19. 99 I'm.
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So excited it is celebrating the 25th anniversary.
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I kid you not, Elizabeth and I have been flirting with the idea
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of doing a Mummy episode since day one.
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Yeah, absolutely. And the one, the one thing
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that's really, like held at least me back from doing it is
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the lack of research for The Mummy.
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Because unfortunately The Mummy was produced before a time when
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people were interested in, you know, interviewing costume
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designers in depth. So, unfortunately, not a lot of
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facts this episode, But I think we're gonna have a lot of fun,
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yeah. I mean, it's The Mummy.
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So Elizabeth and I both went to the theaters, separate theaters,
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and we just got to see The Mummy again.
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I went with our dear friend Natalie, who's been on the
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podcast. She showed up in her EV cosplay,
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which was a lot of fun and I swear this movie holds up every
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single time. There's not a dull moment in
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this movie. The acting's great, the special
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effects are amazing. It's just a 10 out ten film.
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I have to say it's probably in my top ten also.
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Yeah, it's just like, it's just fun.
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It's it's just fun with just a really good production behind
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it. The acting, set, design,
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costumes, obviously, like it's just all really top tier and
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it's just really fun. You just get to relax.
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And it definitely scratches that archaeologist part of your brain
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that I know you have. Oh yeah.
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I, as a child, for a long time, I thought I was gonna be an
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archaeologist. And then I was watching The
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History Channel and that they were in, they were in some,
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like, ancient structure, and they had to, like slide their
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bodies. They're like talking about this
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thing and sliding their bodies in between these two walls and
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it's like these people barely fit.
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And I was like, that was the end of my my ambitions to be an
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archaeologist, 'cause I was like, Oh my gosh, what if the
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ceiling falls in? What if the wall collapses?
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They're gonna die. OK.
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Right. And I was like, I will enjoy
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this from afar. Good luck to all of you, all the
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archaeologists out there. Good.
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Good luck. Leave it to Indiana Jones, I
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guess. Well, Elizabeth, I'll start off
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with a summary so we can get into it, 'cause I think we have
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a lot to say. Oh yeah.
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At an archaeological dig in ancient city of Hamenoptra,
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librarian Evelyn Bumbling brother Jonathan, an American
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serving in the French Foreign Legion, Rick O'Connell
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accidentally awaken a mummy who begins to wreak havoc as he
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searches for the reincarnation of his long lost love.
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And that is the mummy 10 out of 10 script, I'm telling ya.
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Yeah, if you haven't seen The Mummy like this is, actually I'm
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gonna say this, this is a good hot girl summer movie as well.
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Like, if it hadn't been for the 20th anniversary, probably would
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have made it into hot girl summer.
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So, like, as we enter into this sunny, fun, relaxing time of the
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year, if you just, like, need a little movie or it's a rainy day
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and you need to bring some of that, like, summer sunshine into
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your life, put this movie on it. It's gonna hit every time.
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It's gonna hit sit outside with a glass of lemonade.
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Watch The Mummy for all my bisexual friends out there.
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I feel like it has a little bit of everything for you.
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Oh. Absolutely.
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You got Rick O'Connell. Don't even get me started about
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Anoxing the moon. I mean, it's just everything
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about this film is hot, hot, hot and just a plus.
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A plus including the costumes. Let's go behind the costumes.
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With. Director Stephen Summers and
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costume designer John Bloomfield.
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His notable work includes The Six Wives of Henry, the eighth
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miniseries for which he got a BAFTA win, Conan the Barbarian
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from 1982, Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, for which he got
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another BAFTA nomination, Waterworld, The Hunchback of
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Notre Dame, for which he got an Emmy nomination, The Mummy
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Returns, The Scorpion King, and The Water Horse.
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Oh, that's a quite a lovely resume there.
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Right. Aside from the Mummy films,
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which I actually love all of them, if we're going to just be
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real, I love Waterworld too. That's a good movie that I feel
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like isn't talked about as much. Waterworld's good fun.
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I have not watched Water World. This is what I'm talking about.
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I know, I know. I need to.
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I need to see it. I have seen Robin Hood.
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I have seen Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves.
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And if you just wanna like kind of be confused by a movie but
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also have a good time, it's a great watch.
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Yeah, I agree with that. It's.
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A really great watch and you know he has been in the game for
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a very long time. Also, his wife Ann has also been
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in the game for a long time. And they met while working at
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the Birmingham Repertory Theatre in 1961, where Ann was an
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assistant stage designer and he was working part time as a
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stagehand and Carpenter while studying law at Birmingham
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University. And it's so cute.
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He's they've done a couple interviews, like, since they've
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retired. And he was like, yeah, it was
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just like basically like a love at first sight.
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Like, I knew this is who I was going to be with.
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And like, working there. He literally, like, changed the
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course of what his career was gonna be.
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Not he's clearly not a lawyer. Never became a lawyer.
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Changed that up real quick. And while, like after they got
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married and started a family, she took away like a step away
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from costume design herself. But he says she was always
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there. She was always supporting him.
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She actually did a lot of illustrations for him or they
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did the illustrations together and he's like, I can tell what I
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did on an illustration and and what she did because he's
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right-handed, she's left-handed, so.
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It's. I'm like, that is so cute to
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like, find your person and be like, oh like let's just, let's
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work together, let's make the best of like every situation.
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That's. So sweet.
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So are we looking at the illustrations from the mummy
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that they both worked on together?
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Yes, we are. These are so gorgeous, aren't
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they? For those of you that aren't
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listening, but I implore you to check out our YouTube the next
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day. On Wednesdays, we're looking at
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2 illustrations of Evie and Rick O'Connell that the Bloomfield's
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worked on together and they are gorgeous illustrations.
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They are gorgeous and she's amazing.
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She taught at the Wimbledon School of Arts, which is
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apparently now part of the University of London for 25
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years starting in 1967. And they said like one of, like
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the fun parts about like watching like newer shows or
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movies. And she'll be like, Oh, my
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student worked on that. Like, oh, like, I remember
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working with them. Oh, that was my student.
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Like, it's so cute the way she talks about her students.
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I love that. So adorable.
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But getting into The Mummy filmscouts.com quotes John a
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little bit about kind of the historical origins, or lack
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thereof. He said Steven's interest in the
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costumes was not so much from a character point of view or in
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terms of accuracy. He wanted the whole thing to
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look good and to look right. I'm not saying the costumes
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aren't accurate. I'm just saying that what you
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look for is the thing that will best sell your point of view in
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the story. I get you, John.
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I get what you're saying. Sure, maybe it wasn't 100%
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accurate. It's so accurate.
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But we want these two to look good and that's what we did.
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Yeah, I I listened to a podcast with him and his wife and he was
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like, you know, I did a lot of research.
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I he's like, I for the Mummy. I did do a lot of research,
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'cause he was like, if you break the rules without doing your
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research, he's like, that's just ignorance, Yeah.
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But if you know what the history is, what the rules are, what the
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look is, and then you break it because it's what works for the
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story or the character, he's like, that's costume design and.
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I was like, yes, Sir, I love that.
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That's, that's a good quote. I'm gonna get that like, printed
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and put above my bed, right? Anyone who complaints about not
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historical accuracy and costume design rethink.
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Redo the research and you're good in my book.
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Yeah, but Spencer, Are you ready to jump into The Mummy after a
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little breaky break? I am so ready.
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Let's take a break and get into it before all those flesh eating
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beetles get in here. Spencer I thought we'd jump into
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this by first discussing my favorite toxic couple, which I
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didn't realize how problematic their relationship was.
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Still watching this movie in the theaters and I was like, oh oh
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wait, hold on. Are you talking about IMOTEP and
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an axe in the Moon? Yes.
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Imotep. That's my favorite part of the
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whole movie. Yes, I too watching this for the
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one millionth time. I was like, wow, this was a
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relationship really based on some rocky turbulence.
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Yeah. Oh yeah.
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But I have to say, Arnold Vaslu as Emo Tep.
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Chef's. Incredible.
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Yeah. Incredible.
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Perfect. Perfect.
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Perfect. Yeah.
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I just, I I don't even know what to say about it except it's just
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so great and I love his costumes.
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Well, OK, first of all we see Emo Tep and lots of costumes.
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The first one before we see him in his like costume that we
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really get to know. I love seeing him in that black
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costume where he's meeting that American guy for the rest of
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like. His face mask.
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With the mask giving like a full bilatrix, the strange Death
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Eater look it is. So this time I watched it.
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I was like, that is a sick costume and I cannot believe no
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one suspected that Emo Tab was under that mask.
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Right, right. Also, I loved how, like when
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he's having having tea with poor Mr. Burns, like Mr. Burns goes
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to try and like, shake his head and I feel like he moves to kind
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of like, Oh yeah, shake your hand.
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And then he's like, Oh no, never mind, because Benny intervenes
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because he's like, dude, he's going to realize you're the
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mummy if you touch, like, stop. Yeah.
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But once he once Emo Tep gets all of his parts back then you
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see him come into this really kind of gorgeous, like I don't
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even know what you call it. It's kind of like a Cape or a
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cloak but it's like very see through and kind of breezes in
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the air And of course Arnold is always just giving full chest
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just looking amazing at all times.
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I it's it's a lot it's perfect. Oh.
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Yeah, it is a lot. And it was a lot for him to wear
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this he Arnold spoke to Newsweek about his costume for the mummy,
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saying I never for a second thought I was going to be in
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like a super revealing outfit. I had this belly and they put me
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in this damn G stray. Which?
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Poor Arnold. He ended up having to like he
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like, did. Like a whole workout routine, He
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they shaved his body every single day.
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Wow. He was like a makeup girl.
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Like came and like, he was like, I've made jokes at first, 'cause
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it was, like, really awkward. But he was like, by the end of
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it, it was like routine. And I just, like, came in and
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stood there while people shaved my body.
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Yeah, I mean, I guess when you're stung enough to be
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Hemotep in a A Mummy movie, you probably weren't thinking like,
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oh, it's gonna be very, very kind of sexy.
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Like, right out of the sarcasm, I guess.
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Skin shaved and makeup and all that.
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But I mean, he turns it out. He does.
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And I I was watching 'cause I have the DVDs, so I was watching
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the behind the scenes, which is literally all about the CGI.
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And I will say that's like the one thing in the movie.
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When I saw on the big screen I was like OK, the CGI is a little
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dated. The CGI is corny, but like, we
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love it for it, you know? It was.
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It was it was like 1999 and it was done by LOILM and they were
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doing The Phantom Menace at the time.
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So I'm like, I feel like all their all their good people were
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on The Phantom Menace and everybody else was on The Mummy.
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But he came in and he was like, OK, I have to do a whole bunch
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of this, you know, new weird like motion capture and, like
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working with, you know, animation.
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Like he was doing a job that was not common at the time.
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They were literally filming The Lord of the Rings when this came
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out. So, like, there wasn't even
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like, like, oh, like Gollum, which I'm sure became a big
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reference as this became more common.
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Like he didn't. He had little to no reference
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for what this process entailed, and I'm sure he did not think it
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entailed him showing off the majority of his body.
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Which we're thankful for, but yeah, no, I I I gotta agree
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though, yeah, I just, I feel like the CGI and the facts and
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whatnot for it being filmed, you know, around 1999, taking time,
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taking place during this time. I still feel like it looks
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incredible. Which is really, really awesome
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and why I love it so much. Because to me, I mean, this
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could have been 2010 or whatnot. Like I just feel like it really
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still steps up. Yeah, I I that was like, I felt
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like it was the most dated part of the movie.
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But like, yeah, it's still, it still absolutely worked.
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If I think the special effects get worse in the second film,
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but I guess we'll save a lot of others.
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Get worse in the second film. I like the second film.
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It does have its issues. I like the second film too, and
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I wasn't sure we would do it until in one of these
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interviews, John Bloomfield said The Mummy Returns was one of his
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favorite projects to ever work on.
27:07
So I'm like OK. We'll talk about it, but I
27:14
included some pictures for everyone that watching on
27:17
YouTube, but also for Elizabeth. These Universal Studios like
27:20
costume archive shots of Emo Tep's costume.
27:24
I have a few of them throughout the episode, but I just love
27:27
looking at the fabrics of Emo Tep's robe because I can't
27:32
figure out what it is. But it's just so stunning.
27:34
But it's. Beautiful.
27:36
It somehow looks very rich and elegant, but also looks dated
27:40
and almost kind of like it's decaying or disintegrating in a
27:44
way. Like, I feel like it's probably
27:46
like a gauze, like some sort of silk gauze.
27:51
But I also love seeing these photos cause like in the movie
27:54
is like pretty darkly lit and the in the movie this looks like
28:00
much more solid, which I've always kind of been confused by
28:04
because like the way it moves is gorgeous.
28:07
So seeing this, I'm like, OK, it's made out of a very flowy
28:10
material. Even though, like in the movie,
28:13
it looks much more solid like you, you can't really see
28:16
through these gauzy parts in the movie The way you can in these
28:20
images. Right.
28:22
Yeah, gorgeous costumes. I could.
28:25
I would love to see these in real life.
28:27
I wouldn't touch them. Universal a Mummy and Mummy
28:32
Returns Little exhibition would be nice.
28:37
Please and thank you. And it needs to include one of
28:40
my favorite costumes worn by the Patricia Velasquez as the Naksu
28:45
and the Moon. Oh my.
28:46
Gosh Elizabeth, this is one of my favorite looks of all time
28:53
and I was able to get some information for this look from
28:58
the podcast crew chats created by Poonam and in episode 38 she
29:06
talks to John and his wife Anne about their unique careers.
29:11
And while he doesn't go in depth about the mummy, one part he
29:16
does talk about is a NOx Suna Moon's look, because this is
29:21
mostly just body paint and like a little like loincloth.
29:27
And originally she was completely topless.
29:32
Like, no pasties, like all exposed, everything exposed.
29:39
And that's how it was until the last minute.
29:42
He got a call from an executive at Universal and he was like,
29:46
her nipples have to be covered. Yeah.
29:51
So he was like, OK, which I I think it's like APG 13 film.
29:56
So, like, yeah, they were like, what?
29:58
You want us to have an R rating over something inconsequential?
30:03
No, Sir. I can imagine the Universal
30:07
executive. He's like, in his studio
30:10
apartment, smoking a cigarette, just watching tapes.
30:12
And he was like, whoa, like, I took a drag and choked.
30:18
He's like, what the hell is that?
30:23
Someone get John Bloomfield on the phone, stat.
30:27
Right, so last minute he he made these impromptu pasties out of
30:34
leather they had lying around. Which like now that I know that
30:40
if you look at the photos you can see it.
30:43
You can. See it?
30:45
Yeah. But for years I wondered, like,
30:49
how did they do this? Cause like it like really,
30:52
because she's painted gold, they really, like, blend in.
30:57
And for years I was like, I wonder like, like, was it like a
30:59
latex, some sort of like plastic, something that just
31:03
formed to her body And it's like, no, just just some pasties
31:07
and paint. Yeah, no, it's funny that you
31:09
say this because the spell that this scene has had on my mind,
31:14
and probably America's minds is so strong.
31:17
I've never, actually. I mean, you blew my mind when
31:19
you said this is body paint. For some reason, I thought I was
31:22
looking at like a mesh fabric that was making, like this V
31:25
shape. So my mind's really having a
31:28
hard time catching up right now. But yeah, I guess I just never
31:32
focus on what was happening in the chess area.
31:36
But now they say it like, there's definitely paces there.
31:39
I've just never seen him before. I guess I just imagined it was
31:42
all like blended in gold. You know, like like when you
31:45
see, like, the street performers are all decked out in gold or
31:48
silver. Yeah.
31:50
So I. Mean that's I feel like it would
31:53
not have been much different if she didn't have the pasties.
31:56
Yeah. Like I I feel like it.
31:59
There would not have been a huge difference, but the way he was
32:02
just able to make those blend like brilliant.
32:09
Right. Yeah, it it's pretty awesome.
32:10
So she is wearing like a loincloth though, so the bottom
32:13
part is costume. And there's that moment where
32:16
like emo Tep touches her skin and it like rubs off.
32:19
So it's a. Plot point so.
32:21
It's not coming back to me. I feel like this is the first
32:23
time watching a film with like a sober mind where I'm looking for
32:26
like, actual, like details. That's how the king knew
32:30
somebody touched her. Yeah.
32:32
Which I was like, if I was the king, I'd be like, oh, are you
32:35
OK? Did you fall like she?
32:37
Immediately was like, who the hell touched you?
32:39
Yeah. I I always think it's so funny
32:41
how he just walks in and is like, what the fuck is?
32:45
This. She's ready to kill him
32:47
immediately. It's it's a lot of drama.
32:50
Yeah. And she, I like the way, like
32:53
the way this like never made sense to me.
32:55
And and this time I was like, Oh my gosh, this is so toxic when
32:58
she's like, you're the only person who can bring me back to
33:01
life. And I'm like, you shouldn't
33:03
trust your boyfriend, you just resurrect you.
33:08
Yeah, this is real. Like.
33:10
Like I would never trust someone off a bumble or a hinge to bring
33:13
me back. No, no.
33:17
Like so much can go wrong, girl, you should have thrown him under
33:19
the bus. Yeah, I get you this.
33:22
This original love triangle was very toxic and not not a good
33:25
situation. What?
33:28
Was awesome. God, how long has this podcast
33:31
been already? I don't know what was also a big
33:37
ask was all of the extras in this film.
33:43
I could not get an exact number, but it was from what I could
33:48
find. It seems like they had like a
33:49
couple 100 and which is that's just a lot of work.
33:54
And John Talk is quoted in filmscouts.com.
34:01
He talked about the Giza port sequence and is quoted in
34:07
filmscouts.com saying when we filmed the Giza Port sequence at
34:13
Chatham Docks, we had hundreds of costumed extras.
34:18
With that sort of situation, you're looking for an ensemble,
34:24
something that will fit in completely and sell the idea
34:27
that you are really there. We wanted costumes that weren't
34:31
too obtrusive so that they would always blend into the background
34:36
nicely, but ones that had an interesting mix.
34:41
And I gotta say what he said about the costumes for the
34:45
extras blending into the background, Like he really does
34:49
that through the whole film. Like there's a very like solid,
34:54
very little variation for the extras, which I also like with
35:00
Emo Tep's priests, who are all also painted gold and have like
35:06
very muted colors. Like when you see them like
35:12
down, like when they're about to resurrect an oxygen a moon.
35:16
They like the IT makes like a beautiful scene with them all
35:20
coming down. But they really do like mix into
35:22
the rest and let him and his like amazing black flowing coat
35:27
to just like really take center stage.
35:30
I would say like that's not a noticeable thing, but something
35:34
that was done extremely well in this film.
35:38
Yeah, I think he does a great job at creating like a really
35:41
immersive film. You know the none of the
35:44
costumes, at least in the extras or the background really like
35:48
take your eye and it just makes you, it makes it feel
35:50
believable. Which I think with a film like
35:53
this, especially in 1999, it's kind of hard to do but felt
35:58
believable. Which is why.
35:59
And it feels timeless in a way where I still feel like it adds
36:03
to the true reason why we love this film is it just stands the
36:07
test of time. And I think that has to do with
36:09
the immersion and the ability to let the costumes take a backseat
36:14
when they need to. Absolutely.
36:18
Who was not taking a backseat in this movie, though, was The
36:22
Americans. Man, the 90s really loved their
36:27
like squad of Americans that just make a lot of noise and are
36:30
dressed like Cowboys. Right.
36:33
I. Love them.
36:34
They're so, like, stereotypical of like, who they are.
36:39
And then you have like this, this, like British, like
36:43
archaeologist who is like, Oh yeah, that's what you think of
36:46
when you think of a British archaeologist who's like, oh,
36:50
what do women know? I know everything.
36:54
I feel like it reminds me of the crew from Brom Stoker's Dracula.
36:58
Also too, like when they go to the party and there's just like
37:01
this crew of Americans are just like spinning their guns and
37:05
wearing cowboy hats. Like it was very much this.
37:08
But I I mean, I loved American characters in this film though.
37:12
They're pretty funny. They're so funny, especially Mr.
37:16
Burns. Poor Mr. Burns.
37:18
He is like, he's one of my favorite secondary characters of
37:23
all time because like, I think this man was just here to have a
37:29
good time and he went out in like the worst way possible.
37:33
Yeah, he, he, he does not enjoy a a lovely death.
37:39
I mean, I like them all, they're all funny, but I felt bad for
37:43
all them. But I mean how many times did we
37:45
have to say don't open that chest or book like you will get
37:49
your body parts chewed up by a mummy and they still they still
37:53
love to push the envelope so. I mean, Evie didn't believe in
38:00
fairy tales and Hokum Spencer, which I cannot express how much
38:11
I love. Ella Evelyn, played by Rachel
38:15
Weisz. She is one of my favourites.
38:18
Yeah, I mean, you have Evie written all over you since the
38:21
day I've met you. And I just knew that one day
38:24
this day would come. I when I think of you, I think
38:27
of librarian Evie. She has, like, that black and
38:30
white striped shirt. She has, like a handkerchief.
38:33
She loves her books. A little bumbly, though.
38:36
I mean, she did tear up the entire library, but it was an
38:38
accident and she looked cute when she did it.
38:41
She did. She did.
38:42
And you know, I I've destroyed some things in my life.
38:47
I've. Yeah.
38:50
I I'm not the most graceful person on the face of the
38:53
planet, so I feel that. Yeah, let's talk about Evie.
38:57
I mean, I have to agree with you, Rachel Weisz's performance
39:01
as Evie. It's just one of the best.
39:03
She just plays this heroine that's just so lovely, so
39:07
lovable, smart. She's so smart.
39:11
She leads a charge, and a lot of this she does also awaken a
39:16
mummy, but that's neither here nor there, because she also
39:19
leads the charge to get rid of said mummy.
39:21
Oh no. It's like she's like she.
39:23
Takes responsibility for her actions.
39:26
That's right, she does. She fesses up to her mistake.
39:30
Yeah, she's like, I know I fucked up.
39:32
I we can handle this. Who hasn't woken up a mummy
39:36
every once in a while, I mean. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
39:41
Yeah. It's so good.
39:44
It's so good. I do.
39:46
I love her costume, 'cause this is 'cause we go from like Egypt,
39:51
which is like clearly a fairy tale version of Egypt, like
39:58
heavily inspired, but like not historically accurate
40:02
whatsoever. No, not at.
40:04
All into the 1920s. And it feels very real, like she
40:10
looks time period appropriate. It feels right.
40:14
It looks right every single time.
40:17
And you don't think about it. You're like, oh, this is a 1920s
40:21
woman who is trying her best to, like, make her own way, but
40:27
like, these men around her will not take her seriously.
40:30
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's she's such a great
40:33
character. One of my favorite costumes will
40:35
always be her librarian look. I mean, it's just like such an
40:39
iconic look. She just looks so great.
40:42
We also included some pictures from the Universal archives.
40:45
Once again, just seeing them up close.
40:47
I just love the color palette. It just works.
40:50
It just feels very studious and very intelligent.
40:52
But then also stills still feels very, you know, she loves
40:56
Egyptian archaeology or Egyptology.
40:59
That's what she loves. And she loves, you know, she's a
41:03
a student of history. She's always learning.
41:07
It's just such iconic look. When I went to the movies, when
41:10
I went off Natalie, we also went with Natalie's friend Ashley,
41:14
and you could follow her on Instagram at whimsy with Ashley,
41:18
she actually wore this librarian look by EB that I believe she
41:22
made. And I was just like, ah, this is
41:24
such iconic look. Like, I just love seeing it and
41:27
I love that people resonate with this look.
41:29
It's a good one. Absolutely, Who also has some
41:33
good looks. We have Rick O'Connell.
41:36
Man, the man. The man and I could only find
41:43
one quote, unfortunately, from filmscouts.com about Mr. Rick
41:50
O'Connell, John said. In a way it's unusual because
41:54
there's no way a guy would go around with shoulder holsters
41:58
like that, but for me it just sells the story.
42:02
Yeah, I mean, O'connell's constantly dressed like he's
42:07
going to war, but like, no one's complaining.
42:11
We all love it. You.
42:13
Just. This guy always just looks, he
42:16
just looks like a hero, you know?
42:19
If I were to teach a class on designing costumes for heroes, I
42:22
would have like a giant poster of Rick O'Connell.
42:26
Right. Be like 1920s archaeology hero.
42:33
Yeah, but like he he's an American and there's elements of
42:37
him that still feel very American.
42:38
The gun holsters to me on his shoulders feel very American
42:42
and. Yeah.
42:44
The like, the arm bracers, the the scarf he wears, it all feels
42:51
very American to me. So he just kind of fits in in a
42:54
way. But he still blends in with the
42:57
surroundings around him. It's a great costume.
42:59
I mean, it's Brendan, Fraser has Rick O'Connell, like what else
43:03
is there to say? There, there's not.
43:06
There's not much, But you know who will absolutely also be on
43:11
your hero poster for this class? Spencer.
43:18
Artith Bay, Man, I love this character.
43:24
I just think that the the guardians that protect the tomb
43:28
so people don't accidentally awaken a mummy who brings the
43:32
plagues upon the earth. I think they're so cool.
43:35
It just sucks that they're like the enemies for the first half
43:38
of the film. But once you meet Artith Bay, I
43:41
mean, he's easily one of my favorite film characters of all
43:46
time. I always go back to this guy.
43:49
They wear all black, they have tattoos, he's great with a
43:53
sword, and suddenly he walks around off the biggest machine
43:56
gun you could ever think of. Like even his horse is cool.
44:01
Everything about this guy is cool.
44:04
Absolutely, absolutely. And honestly, like my, I think
44:09
my favorite part of the movie is when Edie's like, it's oh, this
44:15
whole Mummy situation isn't really worth it.
44:17
Like, does it really justify killing people to keep him from
44:20
rising? And they're both like, yeah,
44:23
yeah, it does. Have you not seen what he did
44:26
outside? Like so.
44:28
You know what? I don't blame them for anything
44:30
they did in the first half of the movie.
44:33
Yeah, I mean they it feels like they're going above and beyond
44:36
in the first half of the movie with the amount of people like
44:39
sinking that ship with all the people on it.
44:42
Yeah. But then you see that like
44:44
plague of people saying, I'm like, all right, they had a
44:49
point. Like, yeah, I They really should
44:52
have just shot Rick from the beginning of the.
44:55
Movie If we're being real, we should have had Rick and Evie on
45:01
target list #1, but we hate to say it, but.
45:05
Ardith, you know he he did one bad move at the beginning.
45:10
The desert did not kill. Yeah, that's so true.
45:16
The real enemies of the the real villains of the film are Rick
45:19
and Evie. But sometimes you love a
45:22
villain. Sometimes you do.
45:24
And sometimes there's someone who you think is a villain who's
45:28
just super hot and wearing an extremely beautiful, fully black
45:35
outfit. You're like, Oh no, you're here
45:37
to be my hero, OK? And it's it's it's so funny
45:41
because our pictures trying to look at him, it's so black, so I
45:44
can't really see the details. But also his machine gun is so
45:47
big you can't even see the details of his costume.
45:52
But it's definitely hard to see the details for this one, but.
45:56
I just know that I love it because every time I see it on
46:00
screen, I'm like, yeah, that's the guy.
46:02
I was very excited though, recently.
46:05
Oded Fair, who plays Ardith I I've been watching Star Star
46:11
Trek Discovery and I'm watching the last season and there's this
46:15
character. I'm like, why does this person
46:17
look so familiar when I'm doing the research for this?
46:21
It's him. No way it looks good.
46:25
I didn't realize he was still showing up in things, but that's
46:28
awesome. I've honestly, I've seen like
46:32
most of them, and especially like in TV, throughout the
46:37
years. But another all black look that
46:40
I love is probably one of my favorite costumes also of all
46:44
time. I don't know there's a lot of
46:45
Alzheimer's in this film. Is Evie's like black look with
46:51
the veil that she just walks away for 5 minutes and comes
46:54
back with this drop dead Met Gala look that you're just like
46:58
Evie. Are you trying to kill me?
47:01
You look amazing. Right.
47:03
She's like, oh, I almost drowned in a river and now I'm just
47:07
like, walk. Now this tent looking
47:09
incredible, like, I 'cause I feel like Evie's the kind of
47:15
woman who's like, I wanna look nice, but I don't know what to
47:19
do. So I'm gonna walk into a store
47:22
and ask the sales associate, like, what I should put on.
47:26
So I think Evie walked into this tent with some money and was
47:30
like, please dress me and the ladies were like, Oh yes, we got
47:34
you girl. Sure, girl, we'll hook you up.
47:37
They also probably she probably like held out her money so they
47:40
know how much she had and they probably looked around and were
47:42
like, all right, like I got. You make this work.
47:46
And they gave her like this like very expensive looking outfit.
47:50
But I mean, it's just when you I have the same reaction every
47:55
time that like Rick O'Connell has when he sees Evie and his
47:58
slick and he's just like, damn, I I mean, I get it.
48:01
It's yeah, that's a good costume.
48:05
The veil, though, and the beating is just so intricate and
48:08
beautiful. It gets me every time.
48:10
Yeah, and I love it, 'cause this is definitely a costume where
48:13
you can see, like, OK, he modernized it a little bit,
48:17
'cause like in real life it would not be that sheer or that,
48:21
like, closely tailored to her body.
48:24
Like this is supposed to be a garment to protect you from the
48:27
sun. That's a good point.
48:29
Not look all sexy in, but he was like, she's got to look good and
48:34
he did what he had to do to make that work.
48:36
He did the research. He hears all of your thoughts on
48:40
the research. He doesn't care.
48:42
He wanted to make Rachel Weiss look good.
48:45
You know what I also took from especially this look for She has
48:48
the veil because you can like see her makeup really well.
48:52
And I was like, ooh, should I do more like EV makeup?
48:56
And like apparently you can look up like tutorials online.
48:59
People like Will do an EV. It's a makeup tutorial and
49:05
apparently there is like a lot of debate about her eyebrows,
49:10
which like a they are historically accurate to the
49:15
period. Also, anyone who grew up in the
49:19
2000s that, like, this is what you were trying to get.
49:25
Unfortunately, I was so relieved that by the time, like, I had to
49:31
deal with anything to do with my eyebrows, like, the tide had
49:34
turned, 'cause I watched so many women, like, pluck their
49:37
eyebrows into oblivion, so, like, don't hate on her
49:41
eyebrows. It was historically accurate and
49:45
just a trend at the time. It was historically accurate.
49:48
It was. It was the right thing to do
49:52
the. Current trend the.
49:53
Current trend and Evie pulled it off.
49:57
I'm sorry. So it it is what it is.
50:00
I get it. I get it.
50:01
I'm gonna go watch some EV makeup tutorials after this,
50:04
honestly. I I was shocked.
50:07
I was like, oh, 'cause it's very simple.
50:09
It's like nothing crazy. But no, you can.
50:12
You can look it up. And you know what else?
50:16
I'm excited for Spencer. What are you excited for,
50:19
Elizabeth? Because we've.
50:20
Come to the end of the film, which means.
50:23
We can also watch it. Again and play our favorite
50:27
game. I'm so excited.
50:29
I'm. Nervous.
50:30
I've been thinking about this for a while now, but let's take
50:33
a little break and we'll get into it.
50:51
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I am so glad that we finally got to talk about The Mummy.
51:42
I love this movie and I don't want this episode the end.
51:45
But like you said, we don't have too many facts, which means it's
51:48
time to play our favorite game. Are you ready?
51:51
I am ready, Spencer. Let's do it.
51:54
Hit it, Daniel. The one costume to.
51:59
Rule them all. OK, so this was a hard one and I
52:10
feel like my one costume rule them all has changed a little
52:13
bit since our conversation. So.
52:17
I'm. Going to stick with my original
52:20
idea, which was Evie's black veiled look.
52:24
It is just a iconic costume. She looks amazing.
52:30
Like you said, maybe it's not historically accurate, but like
52:33
she's just like the woman of the hour.
52:36
She is the ultimate heroine. I don't.
52:41
I mean, it's just, it's just flawless.
52:43
It's perfect. I love it.
52:45
I love the beating of it. There's a lot of like intricate
52:47
details to it and it's just like, I just don't even know
52:50
what to say about it. It's just so stunning,
52:53
beautiful. And if I were to see this cost
52:55
me real life, I would also bow down to it.
52:58
And if it's destroyed, I would find the Book of the Dead or
53:01
Book of Life or whatever to bring it back to Earth because
53:04
it is gorgeous. Resurrecting a costume.
53:08
I mean, that's an excellent choice.
53:10
It really is. It is top tier, It is fantastic
53:16
and it's one of the costumes I think about when I think about
53:19
The Mummy, the costume I think about most though, which is?
53:25
MY1 costume. To rule the wall isn't Naksuna
53:29
moons. The body paint like.
53:35
I don't know why, but I just sound like the whole process of
53:37
him just like throwing together these nipple covers to be like,
53:41
so fascinating. And it's like the fact that
53:44
she's barely wearing a costume. But the fact that you just kind
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of like, like the fact that, like in our minds we were just
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thinking like, oh, yes, this is a costume, not like, oh, this is
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body paint. Like that's a beautiful, like
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joining of two departments which like costume, hair and makeup.
54:03
Like they like they are like in it together every single time.
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But this is just such a beautiful mix of those 3
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departments. Like it's seamless, it's
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gorgeous, it's iconic. I I love it.
54:20
I gotta agree with you, honestly.
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This was also my one costume to rule them all.
54:24
But realizing that it's like 15% costume now, I'm like, I just
54:29
felt like I couldn't rationalize it with myself.
54:32
But it is one of the most iconic looks from this film, like hands
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down and it's it's beautiful, it's gorgeous.
54:41
Elizabeth, I am so happy we did The Mummy.
54:43
I can't believe it's over like half a just like that.
54:46
I've been anticipating it for like 3-4 weeks now.
54:48
I know I. Know.
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Like you were like. Oh, it's going to be the 25th
54:53
anniversary. And I was like, Oh yeah, like,
54:57
And I was excited because I've never seen it in theaters
54:59
before. And we were like, well, clearly
55:03
it's time to do an episode. No time.
55:04
Like the present, no time. Like the present, unless.
55:07
You have a boyfriend to bring you back from the dead, yeah.
55:12
That's true. Well, Elizabeth, this was fun
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even without not not so many facts.
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But you know, we had a good time and I hope everyone at home also
55:23
had a good time. I think The Mummy is just, you
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know, that film that I feel like most people could agree is just
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like an A+ film. I don't, I've never met someone
55:33
who doesn't like The Mummy. So thank you.
55:35
I hope everyone enjoyed with that.
55:38
Elizabeth, we have some great stuff coming up, including an
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episode that I believe we have quite a bit of facts.
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Yes. What are we watching?
55:49
Next. I am so.
55:51
Excited we are watching one of our favorite current shows on TV
55:57
this week. We have watched The Gilded Age
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Season 2. Heck yeah.
56:04
Oh my gosh, yeah. I mean, we've been, I feel like
56:07
we've been teasing this episode probably all season long, since
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January. Yeah, 'cause I think that's when
56:14
we first. Recorded this episode was back
56:16
in January. Yeah man.
56:20
I'm. Excited.
56:21
I love the Gilded Age. Season 2 just raised the bar and
56:25
many of you have messaged us, emailed us, left comments asking
56:31
for the Gilded Age Season 2, and without spoiling spoiling
56:36
anything, I'll just say we We delivered on a pretty dope
56:40
episode, so get ready for that. In the meantime, don't forget to
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leave us a voicemail at 626-515-1826 if you want to tell
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us what your one costume ruled them all was.
56:53
From The Mummy, it was probably Emo Tep or Anox in the Moon or
56:58
EV. That's fine, let us know.
57:00
And remember, we don't answer the phone either, so if your
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57:05
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57:08
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57:14
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Costume podcast on YouTube as well.
57:20
We release episodes every Wednesday, so check us out on
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57:26
And then if you want some extra visuals like those mummy ones
57:30
today from the Universal archives, watch tomorrow on on
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It's starting to get hot outside if you plan on going on any tomb
57:46
dives or whatever archaeologists do.
57:50
I mean, I wouldn't suggest tomb diving.
57:52
That's actually probably bad and prohibited.
57:54
Yeah, please don't do that. Please don't go in, only go
57:59
where people want you in other countries when performing
58:03
archaeology if you go on any legally.
58:06
Sound Archaeology digs Consider wearing AT shirt from the Art of
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58:29
Why was that so funny? Sorry, I'm just imagining like,
58:40
but what Can you imagine trying to like jump?
58:47
Can you imagine if like one of our?
58:49
Followers was like digging in a tomb with like AT shirt on of
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ours. Sorry.
58:57
OK, sorry Daniel. And as always, if you'd like to
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59:26
Family, not. A cult.
59:27
Nothing to worry. About here, Nothing to worry
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about. Have a wonderful week.
59:33
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1:00:45
Sorry, I didn't mean it when I was sudden.
1:00:47
I was like, why I should just use words.
1:00:49
I forget I'm on the podcast sometimes.
1:00:51
You're fine. I I was a little.
1:00:53
Confused though I was like I think Spencer just forgot where
1:00:55
we were. Well, sometimes I feel like I'm
1:00:57
just. Talking to you, you know, that's
1:01:01
just chatting. And then like my.
1:01:02
Eyes kind of like. Scroll down and I see my mic.
1:01:06
I'm like fuck poor. Daniel's being like, are they
1:01:11
just talking? Are they just having a?
1:01:15
Life Conversation. Right now.
1:01:16
I'm sorry, Daniel. You could put this in the
1:01:19
bloopers if you want.