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- 0:02Welcome to Impact Ready, a show dedicated to helping you elevate
- 0:06your impact in the world. I'm Steph Safra, your host.
- 0:09Let's explore the power of showing up with intention and
- 0:12energy each day. This is for those who seek to
- 0:15make life truly meaningful. Get ready for impact.
- 0:22Hello team, welcome to a new week.
- 0:25Welcome to Monday. Hope you had an awesome weekend.
- 0:28In this episode today I want to talk about what it takes to get
- 0:31to a certain level of mastery. When we talk about having
- 0:35powerful impact in the world, we are often talking about people
- 0:39who are high performers or people who do really cool stuff
- 0:43in the world. But the reality is everybody has
- 0:47the potential to have incredible impact in their life.
- 0:49Doesn't matter who you are, what you do, what your walk of life
- 0:53has been, everybody has the potential to have incredible
- 0:57impact. And so one of the things that I
- 0:59think about a lot is the people in my life who have incredible
- 1:04impact. I have a lot of people in my
- 1:06world. They do incredible things.
- 1:08They have very cool jobs. There's, I mean, some of the
- 1:12people in my life, I'm like, how do I, how do I know you?
- 1:15How do I associate with you? You're so cool.
- 1:18Like what you do is so important.
- 1:20And so I'm fascinating and it makes me wonder about them.
- 1:25How did they get to where they are?
- 1:27How did they arrive in this place where they do what they do
- 1:31or create what they create? They have the impact that they
- 1:35do. I think about it all the time.
- 1:37I think about the path that they must have taken in their life
- 1:40that has LED them to the current place where they are now or
- 1:43their career that they're in or the jurisdiction that they might
- 1:46be working in. I'm very curious as to how they
- 1:49got good at what they do. And you might have people in
- 1:53your life who you wonder the same.
- 1:54I mean, were they passionate about this stuff?
- 1:57Did they always know what they wanted to do when they were
- 1:59little? Did they stay up all night
- 2:01studying for things so that they could get to where they are?
- 2:04Did they? And I'm curious because I wonder
- 2:08how it is that people end up having the impact that they
- 2:11have. And I don't know if you ever
- 2:12think about this, but I often wonder how do people get good at
- 2:16the things that they're good at in their lives?
- 2:19You've probably heard the adage that it takes 10,000 hours to
- 2:23get good at something. It's a concept by a guy named
- 2:27Doctor Anders Erickson. And this concept was made famous
- 2:30by Malcolm Gladwell, who wrote a book, I think it was in 2008.
- 2:34It was a book called Outliers, the Story of success.
- 2:38And in this book, the idea of the 10,000 hours is that anybody
- 2:43can become a master in their field if they dedicate 10,000
- 2:47hours of practice to it. 10,000 hours would be, I don't know, 7
- 2:53to 10 years of practicing work on a specific thing.
- 2:56Maybe 5 or 6 if you're really devoting a lot of time to
- 2:59something. In the book Outliers, Gladwell
- 3:03talks about different examples of people who made it like The
- 3:06Beatles, Bill Gates, people who devoted so many hours of
- 3:10practice to their craft and at that specific tipping point of
- 3:1310,000 hours really broke through and quote, UN quote made
- 3:17it in their field. There's also another idea that
- 3:21says that it's not just 10,000 hours that makes you good at
- 3:24something. It's not simply putting in a
- 3:27specific amount of time because not all practice is created
- 3:31equal. And I'm sure this makes sense to
- 3:33you. It's 10,000 hours of what you
- 3:36would call deliberate practice that makes you really good or
- 3:41great at something. And deliberate practice is about
- 3:45the pursuit of mastery at its most basic level.
- 3:48There's another incredible book that I've talked about before
- 3:51called The Great Work of Your Life.
- 3:53It's by a guy named Steven Cope. And Cope talks about this idea
- 3:57of deliberate practice also, he says mastery is very rarely the
- 4:02result of just somebody's talent.
- 4:04And we can see this in people out in the world so often,
- 4:08people who really rise the top or do something great.
- 4:12It's not just their talent, but it's the way that they show up
- 4:16with it. And Cope says that deliberate
- 4:19practice is about blending your gift, whatever your gift might
- 4:22be, with a certain level of sustained, intensive effort.
- 4:26So essentially, it's the quality of effort and consistent input
- 4:31that creates deliberate practice.
- 4:34Another way to think of this would be to think about it in
- 4:37terms of a formula. Giftedness plus effort equals
- 4:41mastery, where giftedness is like the fire and effort is the
- 4:46gasoline, so that over time you can build a bonfire of impact.
- 4:51I actually learned about this idea of deliberate practice
- 4:53years ago when I was doing an externship with one of my
- 4:57mentors in Chinese medicine. His name is Bob Doane.
- 5:00He has a practice in Poulsbo, WA, a little clinic, but he sees
- 5:04over 100 patients a day up there with his team.
- 5:07And Bob was so devoted to his craft of acupuncture in Chinese
- 5:12medicine, I'd actually never seen anybody work as
- 5:15intentionally as he did, specifically around herbal
- 5:19medicine and pulse diagnosis. He just, he deliberately
- 5:23practiced learning not only within his own clinic, but from
- 5:27the best people in his field. And then he was taking his own
- 5:30clinical experiences and he was looking for patterns within
- 5:33them. He became his own kind of
- 5:34researcher within his own practice, and I was so impressed
- 5:38with the way that he showed up to his work.
- 5:40And the more I learned about him, the more that I understood
- 5:43that this was a skill that he developed in every part of his
- 5:46life because he had multiple careers before he became an
- 5:49acupuncturist. He showed up in Chinese medicine
- 5:53and acupuncture school probably when he was in his 50s, and he
- 5:56had a career in the oil industry before that.
- 5:59He had a long time practice of yoga and meditation.
- 6:04I mean, this guy had an incredible life and everything
- 6:07he did, he devoted so much intentional, deliberate practice
- 6:11to. And he became so skilled in
- 6:13everything he did. And he taught me a lot about
- 6:16this idea of deliberate practice.
- 6:18I remember we were sitting in his office one day in between
- 6:22patients and he said to me, you can't expect to be great at
- 6:26something with just good effort. And as time has gone on, it's
- 6:30just made so much more sense to me.
- 6:32You can't. You have to put in mastery level
- 6:34effort to become a master at something that you care about.
- 6:38Steven Cope speaks about this. He talks about the factors that
- 6:41are required for expert practice.
- 6:43I'll name a couple of them 'cause I think this is really
- 6:45important and something that we don't think about very often.
- 6:49The list includes sustained and intensive practice of a skill
- 6:52for several hours a day, several hours a day.
- 6:56How many of us practice something that we want to build
- 6:59skill in for several hours a day?
- 7:01In this day and age, it's not as often as you might think because
- 7:05we're so distracted. There's so many different things
- 7:07going on for us in a day, so many responsibilities and
- 7:10obligations that pull at our attention.
- 7:14Another one practice with very specific intention of improving,
- 7:17not just repeating. And so many people will show up
- 7:21in their work or their habits or their hobbies, just repeating
- 7:24what they did the day before and not really with the intention of
- 7:27improving because that takes thought, that takes thinking
- 7:32about something and presence. That's not something we give to
- 7:35our practices every day. Another one practice that's
- 7:39sustained for a long time, in many cases years.
- 7:43I think many of us have to level set our expectations around this
- 7:46because often there's a perception that you can get
- 7:49great at something in a short amount of time.
- 7:52And while that might be true in some cases, and there's
- 7:55definitely outliers when it comes to this, we forget that
- 7:59practice for a sustained period of time, in most cases years is
- 8:04what is required to become really skilled and great at
- 8:07something. Practice that other teachers and
- 8:11colleagues can comment on or be involved in.
- 8:13Essential. This means having mentors,
- 8:15teachers, people who are better than you at what you do and
- 8:21getting them involved in your process.
- 8:23That pushes us, that grows us. And I don't think that's
- 8:26something that everybody does. Another one is having recovery
- 8:30time so that there's energy that you can have for tomorrow.
- 8:33Because remember, this type of practice requires energy and
- 8:37purposeful intention. You can't be exhausted and show
- 8:40up in a deliberate practice. And then finally, spending time
- 8:45in what Stephen Coke calls the domain of the task, which would
- 8:48be spending time around people or things that support the work
- 8:53you do. For example, if you were an
- 8:54artist, you'd spend time with other artists, or you'd spend
- 8:57time talking about art or talking about trends in art.
- 9:00You're in that domain. And so you can see with all of
- 9:04these different factors that influence deliberate practice, a
- 9:08lot of this stuff is not stuff that people think about or do on
- 9:11a regular basis. And when you engage in this, you
- 9:15start to see your topic or the object of your practice in a
- 9:19different way. You see things in more detail.
- 9:22Your vision becomes more refined because you're getting to be
- 9:25more of an expert around it. I remember when I first started
- 9:29practicing acupuncture and I joined my current practice, my
- 9:33business partner Sarah, she started to teach me what's
- 9:36called trigger point acupuncture and trigger point muscle
- 9:40release. Trigger point acupuncture is the
- 9:42practice of using acupuncture needles to stimulate the muscles
- 9:46in a way where you can cause a small contraction in the muscle.
- 9:49It's called a fasciculation and the muscles will twitch and
- 9:53release. And the reason we do it is
- 9:55because it's one of the quickest ways to get people out of pain
- 9:58and relieve tension in the muscles.
- 10:00We use it for injuries, accidents, athletes, really any
- 10:04person who has any sort of muscular pain or tension.
- 10:08And I remember that it took me years to get really good at it
- 10:13because it's not something that you're taught in Graduate
- 10:16School, something that you have to pursue on your own.
- 10:19And it took a lot of deliberate practice.
- 10:23I had to study pictures of the body.
- 10:25I had to learn the trigger points one by one for every
- 10:29single muscle. I had to practice finding those
- 10:31trigger points. I had to play around with
- 10:33different needling techniques and use different gauges of
- 10:37needles to see what works best on these types of muscles.
- 10:41With my techniques in my hands, I had to become more adept at
- 10:46working on each area of the body.
- 10:48I mean, it, it just I, the more I learned, the more I realized
- 10:51there's so much that I don't know.
- 10:53And I think that is a big part of deliberate practice.
- 10:56It certainly took me 10,000 hours, if not more to become
- 11:00really skilled at this technique.
- 11:02But thinking back on my first or second year, I thought I was
- 11:05good at it. I thought I was, you know, doing
- 11:07a fine job. And I realize now it took me a
- 11:11decade of practice, really deliberate practice, to become
- 11:15skilled at this thing, something that I didn't really have a
- 11:18clear insight about at the time when I was learning initially.
- 11:23So why is this topic important? Why are we even talking about
- 11:27deliberate practice or mastery or 10,000 hours?
- 11:31Because we lose sight of the fact that it takes time to build
- 11:34mastery. We get stuck in the trap of
- 11:37thinking that things can just come so quickly and easily
- 11:40because we live in a high consumption world.
- 11:44We live in a very fast-paced world where attention spans are
- 11:48short. There's so much information
- 11:50coming at us all the time and it's really easy for us to get
- 11:54distracted and not be present with what we're doing.
- 11:58And to have a conversation around how do we actually do
- 12:01things well is totally applicable to impact.
- 12:06I guarantee there are a lot of people in your place of work
- 12:08right now who are showing up and doing their job, but they're not
- 12:12practicing deliberately. They might be putting in their
- 12:1410,000 hours, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're
- 12:17improving. It doesn't mean that they're
- 12:19moving the needle or moving towards mastery because they're
- 12:23not showing up with intention. They might kind of be phoning it
- 12:27in and it's probably not even conscious.
- 12:30It's just something that they've gotten into the pattern of
- 12:33doing. I've noticed a trend in social
- 12:37media lately, maybe you have to, where a lot of people call
- 12:41themselves experts and that word really freaks me out because I
- 12:48don't take that word lightly. I know that becoming an expert
- 12:52in something takes a lot of deliberate practice.
- 12:56It takes a lot of intentional work, years of learning and
- 13:00making mistakes and learning lessons and having failures.
- 13:05And yet I see a lot of people, a lot of influencers out in the
- 13:09world, whether it's in social media or otherwise, in all
- 13:13different industries, calling themselves experts.
- 13:17And you see people kind of falling into the trend of this
- 13:20with quick fixes or get rich schemes or, you know, short term
- 13:26solutions to really big problems.
- 13:28And the whole thing speaks to this fast and furious short
- 13:32attention span atmosphere that we've created over the last
- 13:35decade with the uprising of new tech and and the trends of
- 13:40having bite size information. And while that might be the
- 13:43reality we live in, I think we also have to hold this truth in
- 13:46our minds. Deliberate practice is what
- 13:49creates a level of mastery. It's what allows us to be great
- 13:52at things. And no hate to any of those
- 13:55people who are out in the world calling themselves experts.
- 13:58They can do what they want to do.
- 14:00Truthfully, they're probably just following the flow of
- 14:03culture, but we have to be realistic about what it takes to
- 14:06become great, and we're not giving enough weight and credit
- 14:10to the fact that it takes time and deliberate practice to
- 14:13become skilled at things. It's not just 10,000 hours,
- 14:17although it does begin there, but it's 10,000 hours of
- 14:20intentional work showing up with presence and purpose.
- 14:25I think this is what makes the difference between the people
- 14:28who really rise up and make a difference in their world.
- 14:31I think it's the people who really deliberately practice
- 14:35things, who show up with presence and intention in the
- 14:38things that they do. I think those people are the
- 14:40ones who become really great at what they do and have tremendous
- 14:45impact in their worlds. My guess is that there's
- 14:49something that you do every single day in your life, whether
- 14:52it's your work, your career, your job.
- 14:55Maybe it's a hobby or a side hustle that you've been working
- 14:57on. Maybe it's a relationship that
- 14:59you've been in for a long time. But there's probably something
- 15:02that you do often, something that you've put a lot of hours
- 15:06into. But you might not be showing up
- 15:08in a really purposeful, deliberate way.
- 15:11And I'm wondering what would happen if you did.
- 15:15What if you started to include some purposeful, deliberate
- 15:19practice with a very specific intention of improving and not
- 15:23just repeating the day before? Or maybe it's you spending more
- 15:28time in what they call the domain of the task, surrounded
- 15:32by people who also do or love what you do.
- 15:35Or what would it look like to have more recovery time so that
- 15:38you can show up tomorrow with really purposeful energy?
- 15:43When it comes to being impact ready, we always say you're
- 15:46responsible for the energy that you bring into a room.
- 15:49I think we all want our impact and our influence to be on
- 15:52purpose and not on accident. And the same is true for the
- 15:57level of mastery that we achieve in our life.
- 15:58Don't we want it to be on purpose instead of on accident?
- 16:02Don't we want to be on our path towards it?
- 16:07Recently I was reading a different book called Beyond
- 16:10High Performance by a guy, Jason Jaggart.
- 16:12He talks about how there's all kinds of people at all levels of
- 16:16performance. There's low performance, where
- 16:19the main question is what do I need to do to not get fired?
- 16:23Then there's just basic performance where the person
- 16:25asks how could I be good at what I do?
- 16:29By the way, this is where I think most people live this
- 16:31level of basic performance. They're just doing enough to get
- 16:35by and I think most times it's unconscious.
- 16:37People aren't even thinking about the fact that they aren't
- 16:40doing deliberate practice. Then there's high performance
- 16:44with the question, how can I be the best?
- 16:47And this is a question that a lot of high performers ask, a
- 16:50lot of my coaching clients live in this space.
- 16:53How can I be the best at what I do?
- 16:55But finally, there's a level that he talks about that's
- 16:57beyond high performance. It's it's what he calls meta
- 17:00performance, where the question is, what am I capable of?
- 17:04And I love that question, what am I capable of?
- 17:07Because it's not just about showing up and putting in the
- 17:10time, it's about doing something with intention.
- 17:15It takes 10,000 hours to get good at something in theory.
- 17:18And then there's a lot of people out there who are saying, yes,
- 17:21you can get good at something, but you can't get great at it
- 17:23without deliberate practice. Well, the reality is that you've
- 17:28probably already been doing something for 10,000 hours, and
- 17:31you'll probably continue to do it for another 40 or 50 or
- 17:3470,000 hours if you're continuing to do the line of
- 17:38work you do or something that you love.
- 17:40And so the question becomes, do you just want to be good
- 17:44cruising at the place you are now, or do you want to do more?
- 17:47Do you want to have a true impact?
- 17:49Do you want to develop a level of mastery that will have ripple
- 17:52effects in your world? That's the question I think
- 17:55about a lot. And I think that's where we can
- 17:58start asking ourselves, what am I capable of?
- 18:02Because that question feels a lot more limitless and it starts
- 18:06to spawn a lot more thinking about what's possible in our
- 18:10lives. So my challenge to you this week
- 18:13is to think about what is your 10,000 hours?
- 18:16What are you spending it in? What are you doing?
- 18:19What's the vocation or the craft or the hobby that you're putting
- 18:22those hours into? And then what could you be
- 18:25capable of? So that we're thinking not just
- 18:28about putting in the time, but putting in the time with
- 18:31deliberate practice so that we could be great, even masterful
- 18:36at something and have true, true, tremendous impact in our
- 18:40life. So I hope this helps.
- 18:42I hope this has you thinking about how you're spending your
- 18:46time in a different way. Thank you for being here,
- 18:49spending the time listening to this podcast.
- 18:51I appreciate you. And as always, thank you for
- 18:54being ready to Impact. Thanks for listening to Impact
- 18:58Ready. I hope today's episode inspired
- 19:00you to own your impact and recognize that you are powerful.
- 19:04By elevating our energy and awareness, we can create
- 19:07exponential change in this life. If you enjoyed today's insights,
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- 19:13I truly appreciate you. Thanks again for being here.