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The Bolt Report | 11 June · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: It's the good report.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, I pick up the Prime Minister making a false
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  Speaker 2: claim when he accused police in Los Angeles a deliberately
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  Speaker 2: shooting an Australian journalists with a rubber bullet. Meanwhile, the
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  Speaker 2: ABC now says, yes, we were shot at two, but
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  Speaker 2: wait until you see what they were up to. Well,
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  Speaker 2: so tonight, De la Musk apologizes to Donald Trump after
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  Speaker 2: their spectacular fallout, and one final embarrassment for Greta Tunberg
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  Speaker 2: as she's thrown out of Israel plus China and Russia
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  Speaker 2: flex while America burns. China's now threatening Japan. But first,
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  Speaker 2: the hypocritical Albanezi government really does hate Israel, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: It's acting like a Greta Tunberg and has now hit
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  Speaker 2: two Israeli ministers with sanctions. But I want to know why,
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  Speaker 2: why this is in Australia's interests to act like useful
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  Speaker 2: idiots of radical Islam and to anger democratic allies like
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  Speaker 2: Israel and the US. Our government is sanctioning Israel's National
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  Speaker 2: security minister Itamar Benvie and It's finance minister Beziel Smotrich
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  Speaker 2: for allegedly inciting violence against his Palestinians in the West
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  Speaker 2: Bank and creating new Israeli settlements there, supposedly imperiling long
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  Speaker 2: term stability in the region.
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  Speaker 3: We are concerned, alongside the United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand,
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  Speaker 3: Norway and others about the unlawful and violent settlement enterprise
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  Speaker 3: in the West Bank that is not consistent with two states.
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  Speaker 3: We believe, like the international community and our partners, that
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  Speaker 3: two states is the best chance for peace in the
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  Speaker 3: Middle East and peace and security for Israelis.
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  Speaker 2: The two ministers fail, travel restrictions and the freezing of assets,
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  Speaker 2: and Israel's Foreign minister is furious. It is outrageous.
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  Speaker 4: That elected representatives and members of the government are subjected
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  Speaker 4: to this kind of measures.
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  Speaker 2: We've also infuriated the Trump administration. Secretary of State Marco
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  Speaker 2: Rubio said, the United States condemns the sanctions imposed by
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  Speaker 2: the governments of United Kingdom, Canada, Norway, New Zealand, and
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  Speaker 2: Australia on two sitting members of the Israeli cabinet. These
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  Speaker 2: sanctions do not advance ure sled efforts to a Jesus ceasefire,
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  Speaker 2: bring all the hostages home, and end the war, and
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  Speaker 2: Rubio went on, we remind our partners not to forget
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  Speaker 2: who the real enemy is. Excellent advice, but this government
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  Speaker 2: seems out of control now with its attacks on israel
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's banned. Last week, an American tech blogger,
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  Speaker 2: Hillel Full that was outrageous enough thought was just coming
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  Speaker 2: to Australia raised money for Israel's version the Red Cross,
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  Speaker 2: but was banned for disputing unproven claims by their Masteriskriup
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  Speaker 2: that Israeli soldiers last year slatted one hundred and twelve
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  Speaker 2: Palestinians waiting for food. The governor also accused him of
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  Speaker 2: Islamophobia for a post which he correctly noted that most
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  Speaker 2: Palatinians had backed the October seventh massacre of Jews. Now
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  Speaker 2: let me admit that these two Israeli ministers now being sanctioned,
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  Speaker 2: they are allowed now the rat bags of Israel's far right. Smotrich,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, said last year that starving the two million
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  Speaker 2: Palatinians in Gaza might he said and un quoting, be
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  Speaker 2: justified and moral in order to free the hostages. The
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  Speaker 2: hostage is still held by Hamas, although Israel does continue
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  Speaker 2: to send Gaza truckloads of food at Smotrich two weeks
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  Speaker 2: ago also approved twenty two new West Bank settlements, claiming
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  Speaker 2: this would avoid the establishment of a Palestinian state. The
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  Speaker 2: ben Vir is worse is a river to the sea guy,
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  Speaker 2: except he means the whole area from the Mediterraneans of
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  Speaker 2: the Jordan River should be Israel, not Palestine. He last
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  Speaker 2: month called for the destruction of the alex Mosque, built
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  Speaker 2: in Jerusalem on the ruins of the Great Second Temple
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  Speaker 2: of Jewish Kings, and he called for Jews who take
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  Speaker 2: back Gaza from the Palestinians, all of it. I well,
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  Speaker 2: that's sure the way to guarantee another century of war,
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  Speaker 2: that idiot. Yet Israeli voters and his Israel's justice system
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  Speaker 2: can be trusted to put Smotrich back in his place.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, very few people vote for him as it is,
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  Speaker 2: and has already been convicted several times of racist excitement. Still,
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  Speaker 2: it's very unhelpful these guys, to say the very least.
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  Speaker 2: But again, what is sanctioning them? How is it in
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  Speaker 2: Australia's interests? In fact, showboating against them could cost us?
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  Speaker 2: Most importantly, Promius Anthony Albanese is again provoked. The United
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  Speaker 2: States are only real protector in the future war. The
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  Speaker 2: US two weeks ago asked US has been more in
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  Speaker 2: our defense albanizea refuse its ambassador to Israel than ask
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  Speaker 2: us to lift our ban on hellel fold Again, is
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  Speaker 2: Albanize refused? And now this now I get it. The
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  Speaker 2: US cannot be dictating our policies, but it can decide
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  Speaker 2: whether we're a country worth giving let's say, a couple
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  Speaker 2: of its rare nuclear submarines. But what really gets me
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  Speaker 2: here is the hypocrisy which does expose this as an
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  Speaker 2: anti Israel kind of posturing. For instance, why does this
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  Speaker 2: government sanction two ministers from one of our democratic allies
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  Speaker 2: but never dreams of sanctioning any minister from the hostile
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  Speaker 2: Chinese dictatorship like you know, for instance, for jailing a
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  Speaker 2: million Muslim leaders. And if people demanding all, you know,
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  Speaker 2: all the land from the river to the sea must
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  Speaker 2: be punished, why dierfrem Mens of Pennywong post pictures of
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  Speaker 2: himself supporting Nasa Mashni, head of the Australian Palestine Advocacy Network.
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  Speaker 2: Who is this a time for Palestine to be free
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  Speaker 2: from the river to the sea and that means no Israel?
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  Speaker 2: And if supposedly inciting violence is a crime. Why is
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  Speaker 2: wog not sanction Mamued Abbas, president of the Palaestinian authority
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  Speaker 2: that's in the West Bank, who still runs a pay
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  Speaker 2: for Slagh scheme of pensions for terrorists and their families.
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  Speaker 2: And if trash talking that makes peace less likely deserves sanctions,
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  Speaker 2: why has it Wang also impost sanctions on President Abbas
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  Speaker 2: for defending Hitler's genocide of six million Jews.
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  Speaker 3: Wakanda and.
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  Speaker 5: Gan Yamluna assays.
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  Speaker 2: And the hypocrisy here is absolutely astonishing, and so is
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  Speaker 2: the Prime minister's lack of awareness of his own government's
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  Speaker 2: double standards. How is he today shrugged off Rubio's criticism
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  Speaker 2: of these sanctions like.
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  Speaker 6: This, Australia makes their own decisions based upon the assessments
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  Speaker 6: that we make.
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  Speaker 2: But isn't that Israel's argument exactly? It says it's a
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  Speaker 2: sovereign democracy too. Isn't it making its own decisions in
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  Speaker 2: its own national interests? So why are alban Easy and
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  Speaker 2: Penny Wong interfering, imposing useless sanctions which can only anger
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  Speaker 2: our friends and embold in our enemies. Joining me from Jerusalem?
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  Speaker 2: As Mark Sofi was Israel's ambassador to Australia, Mark. Always
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  Speaker 2: great to see you. I am absolutely certain. I bet
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  Speaker 2: my house that you are no friend of these two
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  Speaker 2: ministers that we've now sanctioned. Tell us about them.
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  Speaker 7: Well, you'd be betting correctly one hundred I've got one
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  Speaker 7: hundred dollars on your bet. I'm certainly no fan of benguin'smodrich,
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  Speaker 7: but frankly, in that I'm not alone. I'm together with
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  Speaker 7: the one over ninety percent of the Israeli population. They're
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  Speaker 7: polling today around six to seven percent, and they joined
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  Speaker 7: together in the last elections to maximize their electoral electoral strength,
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  Speaker 7: but immediately after the elections they split.
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  Speaker 5: You're right, as you mentioned.
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  Speaker 7: Earlier, Andrew, that Benvie is generally considered to be more extreme.
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  Speaker 5: Than smart Ridge.
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  Speaker 7: But frankly, the compete over the same political base, of
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  Speaker 7: the same political electorate, and so in many ways and
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  Speaker 7: certain occasions they're going overboard in trying to make more
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  Speaker 7: each trying to make a more outlandish statement than the other.
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  Speaker 7: But as I say, these are two parties pretty much
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  Speaker 7: in the same political frame of mind.
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  Speaker 2: So what would our sanctions actually achieve if they're already
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  Speaker 2: lacking the support of the vast majority of the Israeli public.
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  Speaker 5: Well in and of themselves.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think the Australian sanctions will have too much
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  Speaker 7: effect by themselves on Smotrich and Bank personally. I don't
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  Speaker 7: know of their interaction with Australia. I should suppose it's
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  Speaker 7: pretty minimal. But together with the other countries of the
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  Speaker 7: UK and Canada, especially the larger ones. I wouldn't say
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  Speaker 7: Norway in this particular instance, but certainly UK and Canada,
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  Speaker 7: it has a wider meaning and perhaps some practical effects
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  Speaker 7: as well.
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  Speaker 5: I think more it's showing them.
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  Speaker 7: It seems to me to be some sort of a move,
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  Speaker 7: of a symbolic move, maybe to bring them out into
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  Speaker 7: the isolation of the international community. But I think that
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  Speaker 7: if you look at the wider spectrum, it might have
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  Speaker 7: a greater effect than each individual country on its own.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't get why they get sanctioned and Mamoudebasta's
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  Speaker 2: not people like him. I mean, it's quite extraordinary to me,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what really disserves me here. It seems to
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  Speaker 2: Australian government's attitude to Israel is pretty one sided now
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  Speaker 2: and I just wonder how the Australian government is now
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  Speaker 2: seen in Israel.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I won't get into the hypocrisy business because that's
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  Speaker 7: more an internally Australian issue.
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  Speaker 5: But of course one can ask and one should ask questions.
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  Speaker 7: If one puts sanctions on people as extreme as Benguir
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  Speaker 7: and smottit is that being applied throughout the international community,
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  Speaker 7: including in the Middle East and other countries, as you mentioned.
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  Speaker 7: And the truth is that ben Vere and Smotrich have
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  Speaker 7: made statements which are so unbelievably awful. You mentioned that
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  Speaker 7: in your opening remarks that many of us in Israel,
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  Speaker 7: all the vast majority of us, feel absolutely reviled by
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  Speaker 7: calls to wipe out an Arab village, which Smotrich said
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  Speaker 7: the last year after a terrorist outrage, and later backtrack
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  Speaker 7: said he doesn't mean the people, he means that all
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  Speaker 7: this type of positing, it's really quite abominable for many,
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  Speaker 7: for almost.
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  Speaker 5: All of us.
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  Speaker 7: As far as is how Australia is viewed in Israel,
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  Speaker 7: I think it depends more Andrew on who you're talking about.
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  Speaker 7: The government obviously, as you've seen, is obviously very upset
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  Speaker 7: with the Australian position on the current government is very
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  Speaker 7: but on the Middle East, on the Gaza war, and
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  Speaker 7: Israel and the Palestinians, and they've made that position quite
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  Speaker 7: known public on a number of occasions. But I think
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  Speaker 7: if you're looking at the wider public, the general public,
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  Speaker 7: I'm not one hundred percent sure they're tuned in or
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  Speaker 7: they're honed in on Australia and its approach to the
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  Speaker 7: Middle East and to Israel. One thing that has affected
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  Speaker 7: us very greatly here in Israel among the general public
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  Speaker 7: is the issue of anti Semitism in Australia, which we've
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  Speaker 7: seen the synagogue being attacked, We've seen that. We all
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  Speaker 7: remember the despicable state and screaming in the streets against Israel,
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  Speaker 7: against Jews, the demonstrations in Federation Square in Melbourne, et cetera,
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  Speaker 7: et cetera, and these get very high prominence here and
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  Speaker 7: people often ask, and I must have is enough being done? It's,
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  Speaker 7: in certain aspects a hypothetical question, but the clam down
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  Speaker 7: must be total and the punishment must be overriding. And
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  Speaker 7: a lot of people ask, here is Australia doing enough
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  Speaker 7: to clamp down on the anti Semitism within the country.
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  Speaker 7: That I think is more of an issue in the
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  Speaker 7: general public, which are much less knowledgeable about how Australia
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  Speaker 7: views in the Middle East and how Australia used the
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  Speaker 7: Israel Gaza equation.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Mark, So for the answer to that is enough
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  Speaker 2: being done. The answer is quite clear, No it is not. Mark,
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  Speaker 2: So thank you very much indeed for your time, really appreciated.
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  Speaker 2: The rights and protests in Los Angeles have now spread
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  Speaker 2: to other cities like Chicago and New York. Now I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to say some of the coverage seems bought by
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  Speaker 2: a hatred of Donald Trump. I mean, you're told that
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  Speaker 2: these riots because Trump has just been mean to nice immigrants.
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  Speaker 2: Since the line picked up from California Governor Gavin Newsom,
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  Speaker 2: who's stipped for run for president for the Democrats next election.
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  Speaker 8: His agents are arresting dishwashers, gardeners, day laborers, and seamstresses.
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  Speaker 8: That's just weakness, weakness masquerading as strength. Donald Trump's government
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  Speaker 8: isn't protecting our communities. They're traumatizing our communities.
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  Speaker 2: And US is clearly supporting aligning himself with the eleven
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  Speaker 2: million illegal immigrants in America at the moment, and he
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  Speaker 2: claims that Trump's attempt to keep his promise to deport
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  Speaker 2: a million of them, and especially the criminals among them.
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  Speaker 2: It's just the sign of a kind of you know,
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  Speaker 2: American Nazi regime.
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  Speaker 8: Authoritarian regimes begin by targeting people who are least able
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  Speaker 8: to defend themselves, but they do not stop there. Trump
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  Speaker 8: and as loyalists, they thrive on division because it allows
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  Speaker 8: them to take more power and exert even more control.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that is just so stupid and inflammatory. And
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  Speaker 2: you've got to ask how many of the writers really
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  Speaker 2: are protesting for more niceness when they are trying to
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  Speaker 2: kill officials, even shooting at them, And is this really
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  Speaker 2: a protest for peace? When writers are drilling holes in
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  Speaker 2: the tires of people's trucks, when they are looting shops,
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  Speaker 2: when they are trying to break into a seven eleven
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  Speaker 2: held back by terrified staff, when they are destroying people's businesses,
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  Speaker 2: their dreams, And how many reporters even ask what it
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  Speaker 2: means for the United States. They have so many protesters,
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  Speaker 2: rioters flying a foreign flag, the Mexican flag, as they
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  Speaker 2: attack American police and officials, And when illegal immigrants or
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  Speaker 2: Latino CNN host say, oh, well, California really is Mexican.
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  Speaker 5: We don't agree with the term illegal.
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  Speaker 8: We're on documentary We've been here for thousands of years.
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  Speaker 1: Are you guys showed up?
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  Speaker 2: That's this hard city and this was Mexico.
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  Speaker 7: You can't get us out of the land. That was our.
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  Speaker 9: Fashion.
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  Speaker 2: That was on the Latino. Host to My Wednesday political panel,
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  Speaker 2: Cameron Milner, former chief of staff to labor leader Bill
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  Speaker 2: shut now director of GXO Strategies, and Michael koffsa forming
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales labor treasurer. Cameron, how do you interpret
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  Speaker 2: what is happening in La Well, that's a riot, isn't it, Andrew?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, these people are breaking the law when they
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  Speaker 4: came to America. They're breaking the law as they leave America. Well,
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  Speaker 4: little wonder little one of their torching things, fighting with police,
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  Speaker 4: fighting with authorities. Any other governor who wasn't running for
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  Speaker 4: Democrat national presidential nomination in two and a half years
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  Speaker 4: time would have already called the national Guardian any other governor.
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  Speaker 4: But Newsom, No, he's trying to make this a political
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  Speaker 4: stage between himself and Trump while his cities are burning.
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  Speaker 4: And these rioters need to be shown the full fourth
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  Speaker 4: of law and people who aren't supposed to be there,
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  Speaker 4: the illegal immigrants should be sent home. A one Way
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  Speaker 4: bus ticket to Jurez in Mexico. That's where it should start.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Costler, how do you interpret what's happening in the
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  Speaker 2: LA yourself? Because I am astonished to see so many
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  Speaker 2: Democrats lining up to attack Donald Trump, when in fact,
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  Speaker 2: Barack Obama, if he deported hundreds of thousands of think
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  Speaker 2: four hundred thousand illegal immigrants and I didn't see riots
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  Speaker 2: in California, then.
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  Speaker 9: Look, Andrew, I think what's occurring is appalling, obviously. But
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  Speaker 9: in terms of Trump, he's shown real leadership on this,
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  Speaker 9: and I'm in real political leadership as well.
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  Speaker 1: He will split the Democrats.
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  Speaker 9: Any chance Newsom has a running for president is going
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  Speaker 9: to be crueled by this particular performance he's had. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: you know, the Democratic parties all this soul searching in
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  Speaker 9: the moaming, talking about the illegal border as being one
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  Speaker 9: of the reasons they lost the election. Yet their prime candidate,
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  Speaker 9: their front runner, is out there defending what the average
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  Speaker 9: American person would see as being appalling behavior. And I
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  Speaker 9: note in that film clip, Andrew, you saw lots of
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  Speaker 9: immigrants trying to defend their seven to eleven.
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  Speaker 1: These were people that.
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  Speaker 9: Came in legally, and this is the heart of the matter,
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  Speaker 9: people have come legally into America from an immigrant background,
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  Speaker 9: and they don't want illegals in there, and we saw
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  Speaker 9: that in the last presidential election. I think Donald Trump's
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  Speaker 9: played his brilliantly politically.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's also showing leadership. I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: cannot have an illegal immigrant invasioncy really of another country.
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  Speaker 2: He don't have a country if you allow that. Here, Cameron,
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  Speaker 2: here's a really amazing back down the world's richest many Lamusque.
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  Speaker 2: He's just apologized to US President Donald Trump after their
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  Speaker 2: amazing fallout posted. I regret some of my posts about
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  Speaker 2: President Trump. They went too far, and I guess he
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  Speaker 2: means that when he said Trump should be impeached, and
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  Speaker 2: when he said that Trump had been named in the
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  Speaker 2: secret files and saw his pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, which I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure is not true. What's going on here? Do you think?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Elon Musk, I think's worked out politics one O one,
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  Speaker 4: which is that if you want to be a politician,
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  Speaker 4: put your name on a ballot paper. If not, keep quiet.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, what he did last week was just appalling,
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  Speaker 4: and he'd have to spend an awful lot of time
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  Speaker 4: on his knees begging for forgiveness a lot longer than
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  Speaker 4: it took him to type that tweet. Andrew, after what
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  Speaker 4: he said about the President of the United States, he
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  Speaker 4: was elected by three hundred and twelve college rights three
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  Speaker 4: and twelve college rights overwhelming majority for Trump. Musk was
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  Speaker 4: unelected and shouldn't have said what he said last week.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think here, Michael, Is this one where
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  Speaker 2: he genuinely realizes, you know, friends of intervened. Look, I
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  Speaker 2: did go to Farry, did delete those two tweets I
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  Speaker 2: mentioned over the weekend. I think it was, or is
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  Speaker 2: it that he fears what Trump might do to him.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Andrew.
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  Speaker 9: I think he probably regrets what he said about Trump,
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  Speaker 9: you know. And the worst part about what he did
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  Speaker 9: say about Trump was that his actual criticisms of that
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: bill are right on the money. I mean, it is
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  Speaker 9: a mad bill, it's going to increase debt, and it's
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  Speaker 9: got all sorts of problems in it. And clearly he
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  Speaker 9: detracted from his own message. As somebody that is usually
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  Speaker 9: very good on social media, I think he blew a
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  Speaker 9: fuse and he ought to apologize. And I think he's
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  Speaker 9: done the right thing.
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  Speaker 2: And legend has just been called. In Tasmania July nineteen Cameron,
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  Speaker 2: this was this is becoming very interesting because the Lieutenant
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: governor of the state was actually sitting on his decision
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: whether to grant the poll or not. Jeremy Roth clear
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  Speaker 2: he actually wanted this election rather than agree to step
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  Speaker 2: down after having a vote of no confidence passing him
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  Speaker 2: personally and make way for one of his colleagues to
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  Speaker 2: takeo which would have avoided the need for an election.
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  Speaker 2: There was already talk that some of his colleagues would
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  Speaker 2: indeed like him to step down and replace him. But now,
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  Speaker 2: of course, with the election called, that won't happen. What
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  Speaker 2: do you make of all that?
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Well, I think the most democratic thing is that the
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: voters that tasmade have got to say on what's happened
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: over the last sixteen months.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: If debt this.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Incredible AFL stadium, which seems to be eleven games a
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: year for a billion dollars, If the state doesn't want that,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: the state's voters can vote that way. Now, so Jeremy
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Rockcliffe has put his future before the people, which is
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: what you should do in this situation. Dean, we didn't
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: have the numbers. Dean Win wasn't going to govern with
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: the Greens as a labor minority governed. He wanted to
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: force it back to the people. And now voters of
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: TASMANI to get to decide.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Oh look, I hope they say, well, it's a bit
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: hard to untangle, you know, voters reasons for anything in
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: a binary election thing, you know, yes or no. But
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Michael Costa, it was just insane that the Tasmanian government
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: was building a stadium that's now blowing out to nearly
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: one billion dollars in an island of half a million
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: people that already has two AFL's grounds and this stadium
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: would only see twenty three thousand people nearly a billion dollars.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is insane.
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: But it's also consistent with what's going on across all
• 22:40
  Speaker 9: of our state governments unfortunately, and you.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Know that better than I do in Victoria.
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: And I'm wondering what's going to happen in Queensland, Cameron
• 22:49
  Speaker 9: with the Olympics coming up on these stadiums.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Very true, Michael Vertruely, I agree.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I agree totally with Cameron. I mean, let the people
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: decide this if they want the.
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: Stadium, Andrew, They've got a choice to meet it in
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: terms of increased taxation or increased borrowings, which is even
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: worse a position to be in. But you know, let's
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: wait and see what happens on the July nineteenth.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Just very quickly, Cameron, I know I've run out of time,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: but I just want to ask you. After eighteen years
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: the ABC's candace once flagship Q and A show, which
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: was usually you know, had one conservative guest against four leftists,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: against the leftists hosts as well, and against the leftist
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: audience that was free to boo him. It's ratings just tanked.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: What does that tell you.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't it tell you that the ABC couldn't
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: come a moment too soon. I mean after eighteen years,
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: eighteen years too long for Q and A. Quite frankly,
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: look anything after the Antiques Roadshow on the ABC is
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: the lefty witching hour these days? Andrew, so Q and
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: A was just one of a long line of programs
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: which taxpayers pay for lefties to take the megaphone and
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: shout back at us.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Camera. Milner, Michael Koffsler, thank you very much to you both.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: After the break, the Prime Minister called out telling a
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: falsehood in accusing American police of deliberately shooting an Australian
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: journalist last night. I missed some big falsehoods by the
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister. Anthony Albanize said yesterday he had complained to
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the US about Channel known journalist Lauren Tomarsi being shot
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: by police with a rubber bullet while covering the Los
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Angeles right. He called it a deliberate attack on a journalist.
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: Well, she was clearly identified, was clearly identified. You know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: there was no ambiguity. She wasn't wearing a trackie. She's
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: wearing a helmet and something I identified her as media.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Well, actually Tamarsi wasn't wearing anything saying she was a journalist,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: certainly not a helmet, and police behind her wouldn't have
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: seen her microphone. But journalists seem to be competing now
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: to say they've been hurt by those police too. The
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: ABC says one of its cameramen was hit by some
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: kind of police projectile, which actually is a surprising given
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: that he was standing right behind protests wheeling big bins
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: at the police. And then this ABC reporter also had
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: a complaint.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: We actually got.
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: Hit and you can see why they call it tear gas.
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: It reallea burns your eyes, it burns your nose, your lips,
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: your throat.
• 25:24
  Speaker 11: It's pretty unpleasant.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I've got to.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Say, if you wonder why so many journalists are saying, oh,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I've been hurt by this police, it's because so many
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: are reporting from the protester's side. I mean literally standing
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: with the protesters, and very often figuratively too. If they
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: stood with a police, they'd be a lot safer, and
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: maybe they take a different view seeing police being hurt.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: But while the media is distracted by these anti Trump
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: and anti American riots, the biggest enemies of the West,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: the flexing name muscles again. Japan's now warning that China
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: has sent two of its aircraft carries into the Pacific
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: for the first time, including in Japan's economic waters practicing
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: for what you may ask, and the head of NATO,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Mark Rutter says Chinese allied Russia is also a threat.
• 26:20
  Speaker 12: Yeah producers in three months, but the whole of NATO
• 26:24
  Speaker 12: produces in a year, and its defense industial base is
• 26:29
  Speaker 12: expected to roll out fifteen hundred tanks, three thousand armored
• 26:33
  Speaker 12: vehicles and two hundreds is Scanda missiles. This year alone.
• 26:39
  Speaker 12: Russia could be ready to use military force against NATO
• 26:43
  Speaker 12: within five years. Five years. Let's not get ourselves. We
• 26:49
  Speaker 12: are all on the eastern flanknow. The new generation of
• 26:53
  Speaker 12: Russian missiles travel at many times the speed of sound,
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: the distance between European capitals. It's only a matter of minutes.
• 27:03
  Speaker 12: There is no longer east or West joining me.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Is Michael Schubridge, a former senior defense official now founder
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and director of Strategic Analysis Australia. Michael, it's always great
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: to see you. Let's take them in order. China sending
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: two aircraft carriers to train near Japanese waters for the
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: first time.
• 27:23
  Speaker 13: What does that mean, Well, Andrew, China has built a
• 27:28
  Speaker 13: big navy, a big powerful navy, because it wants to
• 27:32
  Speaker 13: use that powerful navy. So what it wants to do
• 27:35
  Speaker 13: is isolate Taiwan, and these aircraft carriers being in the
• 27:39
  Speaker 13: Western Pacific help but do that, and it wants to
• 27:42
  Speaker 13: intimidate Japan, South Korea and Southeast Asia. So it's about
• 27:47
  Speaker 13: an aggressive, coercive China building the military muscle and now
• 27:52
  Speaker 13: showing that's what it's got.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: And do you think there's actually do you think it's
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: actually meant as a threat. The fact that it was
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: just outside or actually in Japan's economic water is one
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: of those aircraft carriage. Is that just oh well, that's
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: one of the things that happened when you're exercising or
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: is that quite pointed? This is quite pointed.
• 28:18
  Speaker 13: It's a bigger version of that Chinese navy task force
• 28:22
  Speaker 13: that circumnavigated Australia back in March. It's deliberately intimidating and threatening,
• 28:30
  Speaker 13: and the Japanese know it. That's why they've doubled defense spending,
• 28:33
  Speaker 13: breaking with their post World War II limit, and they're
• 28:37
  Speaker 13: increasing their military power, particularly in their navy, very quickly.
• 28:42
  Speaker 13: The Japanese are being open with their people and urgent
• 28:47
  Speaker 13: with increasing their military power in a way Our government
• 28:51
  Speaker 13: simply isn't.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Now to that warning by Mark Rutzer, the head of NATO,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: that's you know, European and North American Treaty organization. Is
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: that just saber rattling saying, look, you know, Russia is
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: arming itself at four times the rate that Europe is,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: even though Europe's economy is twenty times bigger, and it
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: could shoot rockets and missiles into any European city. Is
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: that just saber rattling. Do you think or is there
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: a real danger?
• 29:22
  Speaker 13: I think the NATO chief is being very credible and
• 29:27
  Speaker 13: accurate with what he's saying. The largest military and most
• 29:32
  Speaker 13: effective military in Europe to face the Russians is Ukraine's military,
• 29:38
  Speaker 13: And I think the NATO chief is making the point
• 29:41
  Speaker 13: that if the rest of NATO doesn't really support Ukraine,
• 29:46
  Speaker 13: then Europe is militarily weak at the moment, and he's
• 29:52
  Speaker 13: saying if Russia beats Ukraine, it then looks very threatening
• 29:57
  Speaker 13: to the rest of Europe.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Of course, he also said Russia.
• 30:02
  Speaker 13: Is enabled in this war in Europe by its partnership
• 30:06
  Speaker 13: with China. So we've got a kind of shared security
• 30:09
  Speaker 13: problem in our region with China and in Europe with
• 30:12
  Speaker 13: Russia because of their partnership.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think warning that you know, missus could reign
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: on London and Paris is probably over the top. I
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: think it'll be little salami slices. It won't be that,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: But we shall see. I mean, you know, we've been
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: proven wrong. The people who say she'll be right have
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: been proven wrong before in ninety thirty nine, So we
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: shall see. Can I just quickly ask you, looking at
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the American rights. What are you thinking, Well.
• 30:46
  Speaker 13: I'm thinking it's a pretty ugly set of scenes in
• 30:51
  Speaker 13: LA and the two levels of government are not working
• 30:56
  Speaker 13: well together, the state and federal government. And I'm also
• 30:59
  Speaker 13: thinking thinking what a contrast between the January sixth riots.
• 31:04
  Speaker 13: Whether the people that were in prison have been released
• 31:07
  Speaker 13: and pardoned. But you can bet your house on the
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: Trump administration wanting to prosecute and jail the rioters in LA.
• 31:17
  Speaker 13: So I think it looks messy and divided, and it's
• 31:22
  Speaker 13: obviously political, but no one wants to see that level
• 31:26
  Speaker 13: of violence on their streets.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, it keeps happening under Donald Trump, not because of him,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: but because of his enemies. You remember, of course, the
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Black Lives Matter riots. Michael Schubridge, thank you so much
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: for your time. After the break of radical preacher ensued
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: for allegedly vilifying Jews. Tries to explain himself in court
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: today and who do you I mentioned a US and
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: not a fascinating case that I think puts Islam on
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: trial or should. Prominent Muslim preacher Wisom Haddad from bankstn
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Almadina Dawi Center has been sued in the federal court
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: by the Executive Council of Australian Jury for Racial Discrimination.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: In various sermons, he allegedly called yous vile and treacherous
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: people and more, and he quoted a sacred Islamic text
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: about killing Jews at the end of days. Well, today
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: had had got in the witness box to explain himself.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Scone's reporter and host, Karena Marcus, was there to hear
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: it all and I spoke to her a short while ago.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Karena Marcus, thank you so much for joining me. What
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: was the evidence today given by Wissam Haddad.
• 32:41
  Speaker 14: Well, this was with some Haddad's day on the stand,
• 32:44
  Speaker 14: Andrew and it was a really tough cross examination that
• 32:47
  Speaker 14: he underweed. His evidence seemed confused and modeled at times.
• 32:52
  Speaker 14: He was asked about these five speeches he gave back
• 32:55
  Speaker 14: in November twenty twenty three that are at the center
• 32:59
  Speaker 14: of this case. The Jewish Group the Executive Council for
• 33:02
  Speaker 14: Australian Jury claim were anti Semitic and breach the Racial
• 33:07
  Speaker 14: Discrimination Act. Mister Haddad defended these speeches by saying when
• 33:11
  Speaker 14: he referred to Jews as the descendants of pigs and
• 33:15
  Speaker 14: monkeys as vile treatro shifty people who use their wealth
• 33:20
  Speaker 14: to exert power over the week. He was only referring
• 33:25
  Speaker 14: to Jews of faith and not Jews by their ethnicity,
• 33:30
  Speaker 14: so it seemed like he was trying to make some
• 33:33
  Speaker 14: sort of distinction that could potentially give him a way
• 33:36
  Speaker 14: out of a breach of a racial discrimination act. But
• 33:41
  Speaker 14: then he tried to argue that when he was speaking
• 33:44
  Speaker 14: about Jews today, I'm referring to the Jews that are
• 33:48
  Speaker 14: in charge of Israel. He kept talking about the Israeli
• 33:52
  Speaker 14: government and how he was trying in his sermons to
• 33:56
  Speaker 14: draw a parallel between Jews of the seventh century that
• 34:00
  Speaker 14: were involved in historic battles with Muslims to the Israeli
• 34:05
  Speaker 14: government today. So that was his evidence, and he was
• 34:10
  Speaker 14: challenged on it multiple times by the barrister Peter Braham
• 34:14
  Speaker 14: sc who pointed out he never made that distinction when
• 34:18
  Speaker 14: he spoke and his sermons, he simply used the word Jews,
• 34:21
  Speaker 14: and in fact he told he told the crowd at
• 34:25
  Speaker 14: his Southward Sydney center that they should there was no
• 34:29
  Speaker 14: difference between Jews who believed who supported Israel, and Jews
• 34:34
  Speaker 14: who did not support Israel. He told the crowd they
• 34:37
  Speaker 14: were all the same, so it was interesting. I tried
• 34:39
  Speaker 14: to ask him about this as he left court, but
• 34:42
  Speaker 14: he did not respond to questions. Mister Hadad, is there
• 34:46
  Speaker 14: a difference between Jews of faith and ethnic Jews?
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: We have no comment. Thank you very much.
• 34:53
  Speaker 14: It's been a long Do you think your evidence went
• 34:55
  Speaker 14: well today on the stand?
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Thank you. We can't stay any of the stage.
• 34:58
  Speaker 14: Do you want to be an online librity? He also
• 35:01
  Speaker 14: repeatedly said that his sermons came from a religious foundation,
• 35:06
  Speaker 14: that he was simply quoting Islamic texts, whether it was
• 35:10
  Speaker 14: the Qoran, the Hadith, or the words of Islamic scholars.
• 35:15
  Speaker 14: But he found it difficult when he was pressed on
• 35:17
  Speaker 14: this issue as to how that applied to the Jews
• 35:21
  Speaker 14: of today by both the judge Angus Stewart and the
• 35:26
  Speaker 14: barrister for the Jewish.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Group, Caroline. You asked him about wanting to be a celebrity.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: What's that about? Yeah?
• 35:36
  Speaker 14: When I asked that question, it was in regards to
• 35:38
  Speaker 14: something else that came up during the trial, a line
• 35:41
  Speaker 14: of questioning from the Jewish Group's barrister. It was put
• 35:44
  Speaker 14: to mister Haddad that he had made these controversial speeches
• 35:48
  Speaker 14: about Jews because he wanted to become an online personality
• 35:54
  Speaker 14: or an online influencer. He was asked about whether that
• 35:58
  Speaker 14: was indeed his goal he and he said no in
• 36:01
  Speaker 14: questioning about that, But then it was pointed out that
• 36:05
  Speaker 14: there had been some previous controversies he'd been involved in.
• 36:09
  Speaker 14: At one point, he'd ring in regularly and speak to
• 36:12
  Speaker 14: the former two GV radio host Ray Hadley on the
• 36:15
  Speaker 14: air about the war in Syria and other issues. He
• 36:19
  Speaker 14: gave a sermon back in twenty twenty two where he
• 36:23
  Speaker 14: warned Muslims not to wish people merry Christmas, and he
• 36:27
  Speaker 14: gave a speech in which he called Hindus worshipers of
• 36:32
  Speaker 14: cows and monkeys and then mocked them for that, taking
• 36:37
  Speaker 14: any offense to that when that went public, by making
• 36:42
  Speaker 14: another video in which he says, I have no beef
• 36:46
  Speaker 14: with you, and then he tucks into a hamburger McDonald's hamburger.
• 36:51
  Speaker 14: Was all very strange. But the point to this questioning
• 36:55
  Speaker 14: is that part of his defense is that these speeches
• 36:57
  Speaker 14: were made reasonably and in good faith, and the barrister
• 37:01
  Speaker 14: for the Jewish group said that, well, clearly they weren't,
• 37:05
  Speaker 14: because this is not a man in our submission, they say,
• 37:09
  Speaker 14: who engages in serious discussions. He's a person who engages
• 37:13
  Speaker 14: in mocking, flippant comments of other communities, mocking Christmas, and
• 37:18
  Speaker 14: mocking people's dietary habits. The Jewish group may call an
• 37:22
  Speaker 14: expert on Islamic scripture in the morning tomorrow, but it's
• 37:27
  Speaker 14: not clear if they will. And then the next step
• 37:29
  Speaker 14: that happens are closing submissions. There were two experts that
• 37:32
  Speaker 14: were due to be called and that have provided Appi davits,
• 37:36
  Speaker 14: but it looks like that may not happen.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Karen Marcus, thank you so much for your report today
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: and hope to catch up with you tomorrow. We'll see
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: what happens. Thank you so much.
• 37:51
  Speaker 14: Thanks Andrew.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: So the break. One final humiliation for Gritted Tunberg is
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: she's thrown out of Israel. There's a message from the pilot.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Greta Tunberg, the global warming doom preacher turned Israel haters,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: suffered one final embarrassment after she was deported by Israel
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: after trying and embarrass it by saying to Gaza with
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: a symbolic bit of food for supposedly starving Palestinians. Now
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: not only as I showed you last night. Did she
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: end up having to be fed herself by the Israeli
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: soldiers who arrested her at sea before they dumped her
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: on an l AL plane to France. But as she landed,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: the captain had a message for her to.
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: Thank our security forces and the IDF for protecting and
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: defending our homeland.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: And we want to wish to squit Britain al otitizens.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: And then when Greta landed in Paris, she couldn't actually
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: think of anything cruel that those wicked Israelis had done
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: to her. Try and hint though she did.
• 39:01
  Speaker 10: No.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I prefer not to go into details about that. There
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: we were right there, we were detained.
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: And then we were.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, joining me is Communications consultant Christy McSweeney has worked
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: for Coalition prime ministers and premiersk Literasso, commentator and President
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: of the Western Australian Liberals. Christy, how has Gritter Tunberg
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: come out of this stunt?
• 39:28
  Speaker 15: Oh? Look, it hasn't come out well. And I was
• 39:33
  Speaker 15: very impressed by the IDEFS press conference as well.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: We don't hear that level.
• 39:39
  Speaker 15: Of bravery and political oratory here in Australia. And you
• 39:44
  Speaker 15: know they they really really told her what they thought
• 39:49
  Speaker 15: of her stunt, and I'll call it a stunt. But
• 39:54
  Speaker 15: of course her and her activist cohort and the people
• 39:57
  Speaker 15: that have followed her career for many years now, they
• 40:01
  Speaker 15: truly believe in this. They truly believe that this is
• 40:03
  Speaker 15: the best way to collaborate with world leaders and to
• 40:07
  Speaker 15: bring attention to the plash of people that they believe
• 40:11
  Speaker 15: facing an injustice. And this is the way that her
• 40:16
  Speaker 15: and her followers work these days. You know, it's a
• 40:20
  Speaker 15: social media exercise, it's a selfie exercise, it's a digital
• 40:26
  Speaker 15: platform exercise, and it's an activist exercise. I just hope
• 40:30
  Speaker 15: they grow out of it and you know, become worthwhile
• 40:33
  Speaker 15: politicians actually having discussions with people to get things done.
• 40:37
  Speaker 15: But I don't really have a lot of hope that
• 40:39
  Speaker 15: that's going to happen in the future.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Andrew, Caroline, do you think anything constructive was achieved by
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: this stunt?
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: Well, I guess it depends whose perspective you're looking from. Like,
• 40:54
  Speaker 10: I think I think she's been consistent. She's a delusional
• 40:57
  Speaker 10: limbethyl and she has been She's not a child anymore,
• 41:01
  Speaker 10: which and look, I was young and stupid at twenty two.
• 41:04
  Speaker 10: Don't get me wrong, But the simple fact of the
• 41:07
  Speaker 10: matter is is, like Christie said, it was an absolute stunt.
• 41:10
  Speaker 10: And just because you think because you're carrying a bag
• 41:12
  Speaker 10: of flower that somehow you know that customs and international
• 41:19
  Speaker 10: borders and all of that don't apply to you. I
• 41:21
  Speaker 10: can't imagine how you can be that entitled and that diluted.
• 41:26
  Speaker 10: But obviously, for the people who follow her, the constructive
• 41:30
  Speaker 10: part is that she is the freedom fighter for yet
• 41:33
  Speaker 10: another very what they would consider to be a worthy cause.
• 41:39
  Speaker 10: But what is very interesting is that we have now seen,
• 41:42
  Speaker 10: over the course of a few years a shift in
• 41:46
  Speaker 10: the sense that platforms that she had available to her
• 41:51
  Speaker 10: four years ago and five years ago, and serious platforms,
• 41:56
  Speaker 10: world leaders and the like that there has all all
• 42:00
  Speaker 10: gone very quiet. So I think the grown ups in
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: the world have you know, I mean, they have their moments, Andrew,
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: don't get me wrong, but the adults have taken back
• 42:10
  Speaker 10: I suppose, remote control of the narrative, and someone like
• 42:14
  Speaker 10: Greta Thumberg, the adult that she is now, is shown
• 42:18
  Speaker 10: to just you know, be a complete activist and not
• 42:22
  Speaker 10: interested actually Andrew and doing anything that is constructive.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: You make a good point about you know, it must
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: be really hard for someone that in her teens was
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: being invoted to speak of the UN, speak to French politicians,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: speak of the Davos Conference, speak to British politicians, and
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: now none of them want another scolding from her. Just
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: on the side, it must be very hard on the ego. Now, Christy,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I have to wonder how hard our police really are
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: looking for the vandals, particularly ones in Melbourne have been
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: tearing down or defacing our statues, including a Melbourne founder,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: John Battle, and no one arrested. Also a statue of
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: James Cook of course has been cut down, others torn apart.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: But it's somehow managed to find some of the vandals
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: and give them even more flattering publicity of a look.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: We had people watching for cops and at least five
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: corners we had stuck two ladders to the plinth so
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: people could climb on either side, much like following a tree.
• 43:25
  Speaker 11: Really, they've been called extremists, accused by some of erasing
• 43:30
  Speaker 11: Australia's history. Police are trying to find out who they
• 43:33
  Speaker 11: are because over the last year and a half they've
• 43:36
  Speaker 11: been targeting and tearing down Australia's colonial statues.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: But they told one history.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: They told the history of white supremacy.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I mean these guys a blow against white supremacies. As
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: a white man, I mean the arrogance of these people.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: But promoted by s B.
• 43:53
  Speaker 15: S Christy, I'll look promoted by the textpayer funded broadcaster Andrew.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Of course, why.
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  Speaker 15: Wouldn't you find an extreme group that engages in criminal
• 44:06
  Speaker 15: activity and promote them and showcase their entire strategies so
• 44:09
  Speaker 15: people can copy them. And the police do say demonstrating
• 44:14
  Speaker 15: things like that through broadcast does spark copycat activities. And
• 44:20
  Speaker 15: SBS have gone and done it. That's their right, that's
• 44:24
  Speaker 15: their editorial decision that they've made. But in all my
• 44:27
  Speaker 15: years of a journalist, you know, I tend to heed
• 44:29
  Speaker 15: the advice of police when they say, you know, some
• 44:32
  Speaker 15: things shouldn't be broadcast and some strategies aren't the best
• 44:35
  Speaker 15: editorial strategies. You know, there are people in Melbourne. We
• 44:39
  Speaker 15: saw that guy there in a full mask, Warri a
• 44:42
  Speaker 15: Kafir as well. He's probably the same people marching in
• 44:45
  Speaker 15: Melbourne for Free Palestine. And you know, including a number
• 44:50
  Speaker 15: of people in the Free Palestine movement who hold up
• 44:54
  Speaker 15: signs at Melbourne protests for gay rights and transgender rights.
• 44:59
  Speaker 15: All of these active mixed in together on a number
• 45:02
  Speaker 15: of protested bandwagons, you know, notwithstanding how farcial these concerns
• 45:07
  Speaker 15: are to all mixed in together, and you know, attacking
• 45:11
  Speaker 15: Australia's history is just one of them.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Honestly that it seems to be Caroline. You know, these
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: people think they're radicals, you know, radical individuals, they alone,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: and yet they happen to share exactly the same views
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: and exactly the same issues that you and I. We
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: could write a checklist of what they think of the
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Republic of Palestine, of colonialism of Britain. You know, we
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: go through it all and we would guess it absolutely correctly.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: It's a uniform they put on. But what I don't
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: get is why SBS can find these people and the
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: police can't.
• 45:47
  Speaker 10: Well that that there is a very very interesting That
• 45:51
  Speaker 10: is a very interesting question. And look, I'm sure the
• 45:56
  Speaker 10: police are doing their job. I'm not going to cast
• 45:58
  Speaker 10: dispersions even again Victoria police.
• 46:01
  Speaker 8: And we've seen some.
• 46:03
  Speaker 10: Pretty ordinary, ordinary things out of Victoria in recent years.
• 46:09
  Speaker 10: But the fact of the matter is is that the
• 46:11
  Speaker 10: journalists and whoever it is who have taken that editorial
• 46:14
  Speaker 10: position are obviously pretty hungry to find out who has
• 46:19
  Speaker 10: done this, and obviously whoever has done it wants to
• 46:22
  Speaker 10: brag about it. But the thing that goes along with
• 46:25
  Speaker 10: the uniform Andrew is the cowardice of not showing their face,
• 46:30
  Speaker 10: and that there goes, you know, handing glove with the
• 46:35
  Speaker 10: rest of the revolting behavior, the belligerence and taking positions
• 46:42
  Speaker 10: which frankly, you know totally and I don't like you,
• 46:45
  Speaker 10: totally UnAustralian, totally repulsive to a great part of the population.
• 46:52
  Speaker 10: But they don't want to show their face. So when
• 46:54
  Speaker 10: they want to be you know, real revolutionaries and real radicals,
• 46:58
  Speaker 10: they they can do it without the anonymity.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I thought there were laws against posts and boast, but
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: I guess there aren't. If sbs will do the post,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: then boast for you. Anyway, here we go. Look just
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: one quick thing. I see so many people online or
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: in showbiers strike radical poses against the exact authorities and
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: governments and police that actually rely on It's like this
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Rudy out Kipling said and famous poem. People making mock
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: of uniforms that guard you while you sleep, You take
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Grammy Award winning rapper Macklemore, who's also attacked police as
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: servants of the white supremacy. Here is or was it again?
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the police just bad, just percept the property in
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: the man a system.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: That was designed by white supremacy.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: But now police have been called to this same rappers
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: home to come help after burglars allegedly invaded and doubsed
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: than any with bear spray? Did anyone at his home?
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Dare say? If the police when they needed them? What
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: did you make of that? Christy?
• 48:03
  Speaker 15: Oh, it's pretty dangerous, isn't it that these things are
• 48:06
  Speaker 15: so fashionable. You know, these causes often by people who
• 48:10
  Speaker 15: are quite ill informed and just think it's a good
• 48:13
  Speaker 15: idea to have this rhetoric around political actions no matter
• 48:19
  Speaker 15: what it is. And we've seen here in the United
• 48:21
  Speaker 15: States that happening again. And you're right, that's a very
• 48:24
  Speaker 15: appropriate quote. You know, people need protecting. People put on
• 48:27
  Speaker 15: a uniform, they become first responders, whether it's people defending
• 48:31
  Speaker 15: our nation and our freedom or police trying to keep
• 48:34
  Speaker 15: law and order. They deserve our respect for doing their job.
• 48:37
  Speaker 15: Of course, you know, there are instances, and in particular
• 48:42
  Speaker 15: in the United States and I'll make the point our
• 48:44
  Speaker 15: policing system is so different to theirs.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Christopher Sweeney, carond Russo thank you very much to you.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: But that's it for me. Sherry Markson next note.