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S6 228. Basil Rosewater CCR – Dolphin Portals, Nephilim Tech & Unlocking the Veil · Millennial Mustard Seed

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  Hello folks, this is Princess. You are listening to the
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  Millennial Mustard Seed podcast. Thanks for listening.
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  Don't forget to share with your friends.
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  That's tough. We're in a very tough spot.
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  I think that what we're doing right now is a great benefit and
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  virtue because it's an end around between this whole
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  corrupt informational system, media system.
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  We claim to believe in a God who spoke the universe into
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  existence and literally raised himself from the dead, and yet
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  we are not going to believe that anything else exists in the
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  spirit realm, even though his word tells us that they do.
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  Their bodies weren't permitted to go to sleep like humans do,
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  and they weren't permitted to go to heaven, so they wander the
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  earth. You know, I've seen the eyes
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  turn black to unknown tongues being spoken.
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  These giants would live way up in the Highland.
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  The young Braves, the young men would hide up in the.
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  Trees and wait for. One of these 12 footers to come.
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  Walking down the path. And they would jump on them and
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  kill them, drag them back to. The village and the village
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  would feast on the body freedom. Then people start to get
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  weapons, they start to get armor.
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  They start to build cities. They start to fortify their
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  cities. Now God looks down and there's
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  violence everywhere. The battle, this war that we are
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  at, is not against each other. It's against these
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  principalities and these rulers and these archons in the high
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  places. It's really worthwhile to read
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  the Bible. Yourself fear is one of the
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  primary drivers of mind control because we have to take every
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  thought captive and resist fear. You're going to have a testimony
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  that is a justice case against the Kingdom of darkness.
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  The welcome back to the MMSI am your part time host, Rod Smith,
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  also producer and creator of the Millennial Mustard Seed.
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  And this is a banger round table episode with Basil Rosewater
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  from Canary Cry Radio and Canary Cry News Talk.
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  And I'm also joined by my Co host on this episode, Aaron
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  Christian Davis. This is a wild conversation.
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  It's over 2 hours long. We get the Basil rants like we
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  love. Me and Aaron go off on the deep
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  end with some topics and just literally have a blast on this
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  one. Basil gives us a flippy update,
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  which we all love. And we introduce for the first
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  time ever, a flipper update. Yeah, we talk about dolphins and
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  an experience that me and Aaron had in North Carolina at the
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  beginning of this year, as well as some of the supernatural
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  things that dolphins are capable of doing and why it's illegal to
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  watch the birth of a dolphin all of a sudden.
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  And there's so much more than just that.
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  We get into the word literal. Do we take the scriptural
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  literally? I believe that we should take it
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  literally until it cannot be taken literally.
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  And then we start looking at the parabolic nature or metaphors
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  or, you know, the archetypes, the whole.
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  There's 200 different formats of speech in the Bible.
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  Each one of them is important. But honestly, God means what he
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  says and he says what he means. Sometimes he hides that meaning.
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  And it's the duty of those of us with the, the longing desire to
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  seek it out. So this hangout time with Basil
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  and with Aaron is a really fascinating, relaxing
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  conversation. To be honest with you.
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  I, I just highly encourage you guys to stick around for the
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  amazing episode set before you. And there's much more content to
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  come. Basil is going to become a bit
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  of a regular and I don't mean that on a weekly basis, but we
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  have some plans in the work right now that are pretty
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  fascinating. Now, Gonz is a little bit harder
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  to get locked in, but you should be expecting to hear from the
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  one and only Gonz Shamira in the near future here on the MMS as
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  well. And let me do some maintenance
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  here real quick. You guys like share and
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  You can also find a link to my book.
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  The words are salt. Now I talk about on this episode
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  with Basil about how much I'm encouraging my listeners to go
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  leave Canary cry news talk and Canary Cry Radio A5 star rating
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  Tell them I love what you guys are doing.
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  You guys are O GS in this space, right?
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  And not only that, but we you maybe you found them through
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  this broadcast. So mention the MMS and this is
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  kind of my way of saying if all of us came together and we
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  started looking out for each other and saying leave my boy
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  over here rating a review, it does help boost that algorithm.
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  It takes the whole entire network of like minded
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  individuals up higher. So not only am I asking that for
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  myself, if you guys have not left me that rating review, do
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  so and also leave it for Canary Cry Radio and Canary Cry News
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  Talk. Last but not least, I play my
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  newest song called See Me Through on the end of this
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  episode and I really hope you guys enjoy it.
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  I think it's about time to jump into this episode.
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  I'm ready. Are you guys ready?
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  Let's go, let's go. You're listening to the
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  Millennial Mustard Seed podcast and Razzle Dazzle.
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  I'm your best buddy, Basil. Eternal best buddy Basil, it is
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  an honor to have you back here on the MMS and I'm joined by my
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  Co host, Aaron Christian Davis. Aaron, what is going on,
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  brother? I just want to say it's an honor
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  to have Basil back. Where really, really looking
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  forward to the Basil rants. You know, I know that you guys
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  love it, but I I certainly do. And I just want to say to the
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  listeners, whatever information is exchanged, you are not crazy.
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  You're not alone, and if the end of the world is tomorrow, you
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  need to be listening to Basil today.
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  It's a good thing to remind people.
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  I mean, honestly, I only started telling people that they weren't
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  crazy at the beginning of every show or really in the last year
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  or so. And I know for me, look, I think
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  sometimes I maybe care a little bit too much about the
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  experience of the listener. And depending on the listener,
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  they might really disagree with me as far as that goes.
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  But it's not often enough in sort of fringy circles, or even
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  really circles of believers who have a certain set of interests
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  will say that people are reminding them, encouraging them
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  that just because they're not fitting into what everybody else
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  is talking about or what everybody else cares about.
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  There's the implicit all around us, from church, from society,
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  from our normie friends, whatever the implication is
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  always you're crazy. Even if it's sort of tolerant,
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  even if it's sort of like, OK, this sure, let's talk about the
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  government or whatever the implication is, you are crazy.
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  So it's just good to be reminded once in a while, even if once or
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  twice a week, you know, your best buddy can remind you that
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  you are indeed not crazy, no matter what they say.
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  And you can know it's true because it's coming from a guy
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  with giant googly eyes shouting on the Internet.
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  It's 100% true. So I was looking and there
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  there's this blind study that takes place and then there's all
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  all of this attempt, right, that I was reading about with the
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  agencies or, you know, the deep state, whatever you want to call
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  it right there that are literally trying to find a way
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  to get people out of what they're calling the conspiracy
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  dwellings, right? So I'll read this here real
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  quick. As we've heard time and time
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  again, conspiracies are the devil to untangle from people's
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  identities and what they want to believe about the world.
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  Anyone trying to contest them is seen as part of the deep state
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  cover up. Many invent interventions have
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  been tried over the decades offering counter arguments or
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  priming participants to engage in analytical thinking.
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  But in 2023, there was 5 studies that found the most powerful
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  methods for changing a conspiracy theorist belief don't
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  work. This year.
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  However, in 2025, two studies conducted by psychologists at
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  MIT and Cornell University suggest that artificial
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  intelligence presents sufficient counter factual evidence that
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  believers are more apt to change their minds.
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  The first study publishes that 1000 participants in this
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  research program found that they've reduced their beliefs in
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  a chosen conspiracy on average by 20% after conversing with
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  ChatGPT 4 Turbo, a large language model built by open AI.
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  And So what you're saying is like, it's the body's duty to
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  literally inculcate to be the tip of the spear, right?
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  Like especially in fivefold ministry, like each person has
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  this gift according to God's design and we have one mind.
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  But here's the one mind of AI working overtime to try to get
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  people to think that they are crazy.
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  So it's, it's awesome that you start out saying that because I
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  mean, little vulnerability on my end.
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  I don't go through this like frequently, but there's times
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  over the years that I'm like, I'm not believing the wrong
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  thing, Not like about my belief in God, but like some of the
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  content. Oh yeah.
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  I publicly said I don't agree with everything I've heard on my
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  show. Like I had to make some choices
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  about how I was digesting material and it was a very
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  personal, like internal thing. I don't know what your guys
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  thoughts are on that but. No, totally.
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  This is great. Sorry to jump in, Aaron.
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  I, of course want to. The reason I get excited is
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  because I was doing a show I started doing sort of more of a
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  community show every week called Canary Cry Clubhouse where we
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  don't do a lot of news, we don't do a lot.
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  We don't get really crazy. We do check out, you know, a
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  little mini documentary from Guns, but it's mostly a call in
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  sort of fellowship show. I invite anybody to come check
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  it out on Thursdays. And there was a moment in
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  yesterday's show where one of the callers, you know, actually
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  a great caller, calls in all the time.
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  He's a, you know, a long time supporter of the show.
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  He came in and he mentioned, you know, that there's some people
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  in this, you know, some people in the space, some podcaster,
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  some stuff who more or less have kind of gone a little bit out of
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  left field. And you know, he's finding it
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  harder and harder to kind of stay engaged with that those
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  people's work or or their you get the point, The show, the
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  community, whatever. And while that is a classic tale
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  and I do empathize with anybody, I, I think had an opportunity as
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  someone who is on the other side of the camera of a show a few
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  times a week here because there is a lot there can be.
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  And honestly, it comes mostly from people communicating with
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  us. You know, there's a lot of
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  pressure to, let's say there's a lot of responsibility.
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  There's a lot of responsibility to, I guess, be responsible with
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  the things we explore, the things we talk about.
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  At the same time, for me, I give a lot of grace to people, not
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  even just podcasters or shows or whatever, Anybody who is
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  publicly sifting through information and not just
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  presenting information that is available.
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  I mean, back to the study you're talking about.
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  First of all, I challenge their premise that conspiracies are a
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  part of somebody's identity. We know the word conspiracy is
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  sort of wielded as a weapon in this case.
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  You know, a group of people conspiring is not part of my
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  identity. So come on now.
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  AI, of course, having a special ability to There was just a a
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  bit of a ruckus lately where a group from Zurich University
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  secretly used AI bots on a Reddit, whatever forum called
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  change my mind. And they, you know, the AI would
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  pretend to be somebody related to a top that can go in and
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  change people's minds. And they did find.
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  Now keep in mind Reddit is a self selecting group of people,
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  mostly on the liberal side. They make a pretty make it a
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  habit to kick out anybody who doesn't, you know, kind of align
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  with the narrative that's being communicated there.
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  Even on the change my mind thread, you know, the, the
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  change my mind stuff is really on, you know, you're on
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  anybody's only changing their minds on like approved topics
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  basically. But the AI, they go in there and
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  they had some crazy number. I mean, I think it was something
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  like 28% success rate over the normal success rate at changing
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  minds. So AI very good at changing
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  minds. You pair this with the 2012
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  hullabaloo about Facebook, who secretly ran experiments on
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  almost a million people to focus on changing their emotions by
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  only feeding them negative or positive content.
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  This is a very old, you know, 10 year old study, but you know,
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  this is an illegal experimentation on people who
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  didn't know that it was going on.
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  Now you match those things and you pretty much have to remember
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  and remind yourself and when you wake up in the morning, when you
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  say your prayers, to let God remind you that anything at all
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  being fed to you by an algorithm is part of sort of this social
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  control mechanism to keep everybody at least grouped tight
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  enough, either intellectually. But a lot of times they don't
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  even care about the details. It's not really about the data,
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  it's about emotionally. So it's sort of this emotional
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  hurting mechanism. Now, the problem with, I'll use
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  their phrase, people who are aware of certain conspiracy
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  theories is it's not the intellectual part.
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  It's not the intellectual part of what they know or what they
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  don't know. Because, you know, we're just
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  regular people. We're peons.
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  Like we don't have any power to change anything.
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  We don't really have any power to put anybody in jail.
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  If by some miracle you know enough people band together and
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  expose A conspiracy theory wide enough that something is
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  actually done, nobody, nobody is ever going to get punished for
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  anything. So they really don't actually
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  care about the information. What they do care about is the
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  emotional hurting of the herd to keep everybody generally within
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  a, you know, a, a pin, if you will, you know, a certain
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  pasture of of emotion and it's somewhere oscillating on the
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  range of, you know, total depravity and hopelessness and
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  you know, ecstasy and utopia. They and they move it around and
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  they can move it around at will. And so when we're particularly
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  online seeing things, whether it's just posts, whether it's,
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  you know, whether it's, it's various creators, you know, long
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  form is a little bit outside of this mechanism, which is why I
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  think long form will always save the day.
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  But at least on short form, you know, you, you quite literally
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  are just being sort of emotionally and yet and
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  therefore spiritually herded around.
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  And much like a sheep who's in a herd being moved around by the
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  Cowboys or whatever, they don't really know or even realize that
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  they're moving in a direction, you know, they're just hanging
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  out responding to the sheep next to them.
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  If if their friends are spooked, they get spooked.
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  They don't even know why. If they stop in graze, they just
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  stop in graze. They couldn't could be the worst
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  place to stop in graze. So, and this is something we
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  generally all know on an intellectual basis, but more
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  than anything, instead of controlling the emotions of all
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  of us, for those who are mindful and skeptical of the prevailing
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  narrative that is being fed to us by the algorithm, it also has
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  a very negative effect of constantly putting you in a
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  position where you need to question your own thoughts, your
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  own emotions. You know gas rings that gas
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  lighting right? Exactly puts you form of gas
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  lighting. Puts you in a position where
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  you're constantly doubting yourself, you know, doubting
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  your your thoughts, doubting your emotions, things like that.
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  And you know, that can be more than anything exhausting.
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  And I think that's the biggest threat to people who are trying
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  to stay engaged, trying to stay clear eyed and trying to, you
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  know, have some spiritual or emotional autonomy in their
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  lives. The threat isn't, you know,
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  being too negative or being too positive.
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  The threat is getting exhausted. And so for people who either
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  make it a, a hobby or a pattern or profession, even to on air,
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  whether it's live or recorded or whatever, not just take in
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  information, not just give information, but at its best,
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  synthesizing information, taking in the information, sifting
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  through it and putting it together to lead to, if not new,
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  you know, if not new information or new models or new narratives,
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  at least refining the, you know, the most helpful models,
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  narratives, things like that. And so it is an exhausting job.
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  The questioning of your own beliefs and feelings is not the
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  negative part necessarily, but it's the exhaustion from that
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  that. That that can really get to you
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  and it gets to a lot of people, I mean, especially those who do
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  long form and do it quite regularly.
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  As you know, it's very impressive basically to anybody
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  who's doing podcast to make it past 50 episodes, because that
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  means you've gone a year and you're probably, you know, not
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  very happy or very satisfied with viewership or whatever.
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  It's just kind of part of the game.
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  And so when I was speaking on yesterday's Canary Cried
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  Clubhouse and saying, you know, I really got a lot of, got a lot
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  of grace and I got a lot of empathy.
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  Many people, I mean, people there, there's people who have
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  been with us for going on 13 years now, over a decade.
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  There's children who have come of age, even been born, you
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  know, growing up engaging with our our conversations and
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  goodness gracious, have a lot of people gotten frustrated if I go
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  too out of left field on something?
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  But the prayer is that we have the freedom and we have the
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  grace to work through all sorts of new developing information on
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  a daily basis, whether it's current events, you know,
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  scripture, you know, the the personal experience kind of
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  colliding with the experiences of others and trying to do it in
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  a way that is faithful and, you know, keeps the most important
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  stuff, the most important stuff. But it is that it is the very
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  instinct to question the way you're feeling, the way you're
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  thinking, and where you've landed that is the most
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  important part of what you're doing.
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  Both for stamina to continue to be able to do it without getting
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  totally exhausted and going with the herd.
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  And also, you know, for those who are primarily consumers of
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  that kind of display. I guess I, I don't like calling
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  it content, but you know what I mean, That kind of relationship,
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  that conversational relationship, it's a very
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  important skill for them as well for the listeners and just any
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  individuals because the point is to make you feel crazy.
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  The point is to make you question everything and not
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  trust yourself. But there is a special stamina
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  and a special confidence, especially if you are centering
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  your your sort of journey around the truth of Christ and the the
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  sort of stable ship that is, I would in, I think in our case,
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  Christian tradition, but also the Bible itself as the word of
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  God. I can't imagine doing anything
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  like this without that sort of foundation.
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  And most of all, I mean, if not at least most of all, the fact
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  that redemption, correction, revelation, all these sorts of
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  things are built into a believer's life gives them them
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  an incredible shield against what we see happening.
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  You know, if you want to get political on the left or cancel
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  culture or whatever, these types of things, it gives a particular
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  resilience to somebody who has sort of built their house on the
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  rock in that way. So I, I encourage myself and I
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  encourage others, you know, somebody can go pretty far out
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  of left field and make their way back and course correct and you
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  know, or synthesize a new reason why that information or whatever
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  is, is helpful. But I do understand and I've,
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  I've seen it happen to some of my favorite people too that go
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  far out of left field and then they just keep going.
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  They're not even in the ballpark anymore.
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  And you know, there comes a time there comes a time where staying
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  as centered as possible on home base is pretty important for
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  everybody. There's I can't believe I just
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  jumped right into a rant immediately on the first
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  question. Sorry about that.
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  That didn't take long for the listeners.
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  This is exactly what we teased, and you got it right from the.
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  Beginning SO. Praise God for.
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  That. We got it out of Mezzle
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  immediately. Got a reputation?
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  No, we love it. We absolutely love it.
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  I know I definitely do. There's so many things from like
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  our previous interview that I've taken and I've been intentional
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  about moving your feet to being one of them.
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  So that was one of my favorite Basil rants.
• 24:48
  But I, I think what you're referring to at the beginning of
• 24:52
  that rant was, you know, there's this term shills, you know, so
• 24:56
  like, we obviously like operate on the Internet, right?
• 24:59
  And there's like, you know, controlled opposition and, you
• 25:03
  know, I'll probably get accused of it.
• 25:05
  Rod will probably get accused of it.
• 25:06
  I'm sure you guys have been accused of it, getting things
• 25:09
  wrong. Credibility, right?
• 25:11
  I think I know this situation that you're referring to.
• 25:14
  And you know what, like, I think it's so important that like we
• 25:18
  just remain faithful and continue to build that
• 25:22
  fellowship together and not let all the distractions of the
• 25:26
  world because like we are literally just presented so much
• 25:30
  mass messaging on a daily basis. I mean, like the the news feed
• 25:34
  never stops, Does it? I mean, like people forget about
• 25:37
  Hurricane Helene. We had a conversation what, 678
• 25:41
  months ago, you know, about that.
• 25:43
  Does anybody talk about it anymore?
• 25:45
  No, it's move on to the next topic, right?
• 25:48
  So having that, that foundation and like being able to shift
• 25:51
  through the information with a biblical lens, right?
• 25:54
  Because the Bible also says that there comes a point where we
• 25:58
  cannot trust our own eyes. So we are led by the Holy
• 26:01
  Spirit, right? Right.
• 26:02
  So there's certain power in certain terms.
• 26:06
  And like we obviously live in a time where everybody's super
• 26:09
  paranoid and skeptical. Like that person's a shill, that
• 26:12
  person's a plant, you know, like that person, like what is real,
• 26:17
  right? Who's who?
• 26:18
  Who do we trust? Well, I, I can tell you this,
• 26:21
  what you can always trust is the word of God, right?
• 26:25
  So pray on it, discern it, surround yourself with people
• 26:30
  that are like minded. You know, it doesn't matter if
• 26:33
  you're left or right, You know, like we can disagree.
• 26:35
  We all disagree. As Rod would say, we all have a
• 26:38
  little something, right? And we all have a something a
• 26:40
  little, a little something wrong, right?
• 26:43
  And like when you combine forces and you come together, you know,
• 26:46
  what are those? What, what am I thinking of the
• 26:50
  circles, that Venn diagram, right?
• 26:52
  You got 1, you got one. And then you meet in the middle
• 26:56
  and then you kind of correct each other, right, right.
• 26:58
  Let's go back to like the original standard.
• 27:00
  Let's do that. Let's have humility.
• 27:03
  Rod, what do you think? I just went on a rant.
• 27:06
  Yeah, but it was a mini rant and.
• 27:09
  And it was just so much came out with both of you.
• 27:12
  And like what what I love about listening to other men of God
• 27:16
  speak is especially in the freedom of the flow is, you
• 27:20
  know, AI has its algorithms and its trigger words and its
• 27:23
  intention, but the Holy Spirit has an intention.
• 27:27
  And when we make ourselves subject to the way that he moves
• 27:29
  in and through us, as the Bible says, you're sharpening, you're
• 27:32
  you're bearing each other's burdens and so fulfilling the
• 27:34
  law and and you're also, you know, sparking each other to the
• 27:38
  jealousy of a good work. So as I'm listening to both of
• 27:40
  you talk, what I really start to think about is this is the mind
• 27:45
  of Christ starting to come into the momentum of I see you, I
• 27:50
  love you. I I understand what you've done
• 27:52
  right? Not only do I want to recognize
• 27:54
  you for that, but I want to build alongside of you and I
• 27:57
  want what you're extrapolating from these ideas and topics and
• 28:01
  processing through the Holy Spirit.
• 28:02
  I want to be in In Sync with that.
• 28:04
  I want to harmonize with this movement with what God is is
• 28:07
  echoing from heaven and like all the attacks are there like in
• 28:11
  the early days, the show notes for me were come.
• 28:15
  Let's take a journey through 1,000,000 messages and signals
• 28:17
  that cause confusion and chaos, right?
• 28:19
  Let's walk this thing out together.
• 28:21
  And it's always been the, the scriptural basis that like
• 28:24
  multiple times in episode, I have no issues with bouncing out
• 28:27
  of the, the, the rabbit row or the rhythm and going right back
• 28:30
  into scripture because whenever the spirit gives me something,
• 28:33
  I'm like, man, this is important.
• 28:35
  Doctor Chuck Missler, the late Doctor Chuck Missler used to
• 28:37
  say, you know, if it's weird, if it's, if it, if it seems like
• 28:41
  something else is going on there, it's important like keep,
• 28:43
  keep layering it. And so man, I love these round
• 28:47
  tables or conversations really where we're at right now on this
• 28:52
  episode. And I do want to say, you know,
• 28:54
  I had a couple ideas that I wanted to do for the month of
• 28:57
  May. Hopefully this episode airs and
• 29:00
  you guys are hearing this in the month of May, But I was calling
• 29:03
  it like, you know, support your, your fellow podcast through five
• 29:08
  star rating. And I know I, I did a call
• 29:11
  recently, we had 16 written reviews and ratings come through
• 29:15
  Apple podcasts in like 2 weeks. And I'm like, man, I'm humbled.
• 29:17
  Like if you ask, maybe you'll receive it, right?
• 29:20
  So I'm literally making a, a call right now for all the
• 29:24
  people in the MMS to go and leave a five star rating review
• 29:28
  on Canary Cry Radio and Canary Cry News Talk.
• 29:31
  And not only that, I want you guys to write in, right?
• 29:34
  I want you to write something in there 'cause you're putting a
• 29:36
  stamp of approval. Like here is this, you know,
• 29:39
  kind of gait when people find this content as Christianity
• 29:42
  starts to swell and there's a bunch of shills everywhere, you
• 29:46
  know, drop a line, right? I think Basil, what's funny is
• 29:49
  like a couple years ago, I actually commented or left you
• 29:54
  guys a review and said, Hey, this is Rod from MMS.
• 29:58
  You and Gonz are like, oh, geez. In my in my mind, like you guys
• 30:02
  helped me through so much and you responded to that.
• 30:06
  And, and that's actually my first line of communication with
• 30:10
  you. But the reason I wanted to do
• 30:12
  this in the month of May is because, you know, really, I
• 30:14
  think that the new year starts in, in April.
• 30:17
  I'm not going to get into qualifying those details right
• 30:19
  now in this conversation, but you know, we're coming into this
• 30:22
  birthing season where things are changing, right?
• 30:24
  And we have so many seasons we're allotted here on this
• 30:27
  earth. And I was looking at it going,
• 30:29
  man, if I want to love people, I don't only want to do it, you
• 30:32
  know, secretly or just publicly. I want to have other people
• 30:36
  recognize that love too. I want that ripple effect to go
• 30:38
  out and create that standard of man, you know what, let's show,
• 30:43
  let's show these guys some love. So I mean, Basil, I'm going to
• 30:46
  pass it back to you just with like the idea of whatever Aaron
• 30:49
  said and I said, and then I do have some questions.
• 30:52
  I think it would be cool if we shot each other some questions
• 30:54
  being this is kind of more of a conversation based episode.
• 30:58
  Sounds like a fun time. Yeah.
• 30:59
  Thank you so much for, you know, making that call out for ratings
• 31:03
  and reviews. It's kind of funny.
• 31:04
  Ratings and reviews are a little bit of like an old school relic
• 31:08
  of early Internet and early, you know, podcasts and content.
• 31:12
  A lot of people don't think about doing ratings and reviews.
• 31:15
  And with our experience, if you don't ask, it doesn't happen.
• 31:19
  You got to ask people to do it. They can be the biggest fan in
• 31:23
  the world and most of them are not going to naturally do that.
• 31:26
  But just to confirm what you're saying, it actually helps a ton.
• 31:30
  It's a huge deal, not just for algos and AI and, you know, sort
• 31:35
  of navigating the machine that unfortunately we're sort of
• 31:38
  forced to to deal with. But also, you got to remember, I
• 31:43
  mean, real people read those reviews.
• 31:46
  And your review could independently on its own be
• 31:51
  responsible for somebody saying, OK, even if they're not a, you
• 31:56
  know, like, yay, let's go do that.
• 31:59
  Because if they want to listen to the show, they'll listen to
• 32:00
  the show. But you could independently be
• 32:03
  responsible for someone who is seeking for someone who is
• 32:06
  hurting, for someone who is looking for a community, someone
• 32:11
  out there who wants who, who wants to be told, who needs to
• 32:14
  be told that they're not crazy. And your individual review could
• 32:19
  be the one especially, you know, because if, if you're new and
• 32:22
  you write a new review, it goes to the top of the list.
• 32:24
  It's the first one that people are going to read when they're
• 32:27
  going through looking at shows. I mean, you could independently,
• 32:31
  personally be responsible for like changing somebody's life
• 32:35
  and letting them know that they're not crazy and that
• 32:37
  they're not alone and that there's other people, you know,
• 32:40
  who are thinking about similar things.
• 32:42
  I mean, it's, it's one of those things that, you know, is a
• 32:45
  little bit too big sometimes to think about.
• 32:50
  But in a world that is so noisy and has so many influences, ads,
• 32:57
  corporate interests, government propaganda, everything, every
• 33:00
  moment of our day is packed with someone trying to communicate
• 33:05
  something to us, It's kind of hard to imagine that just
• 33:09
  leaving a rating in a review would have any effect.
• 33:11
  But you know, we've, as I'm sure you have, we've had people say,
• 33:15
  my gosh, you guys saved my life or I gave my life to Christ.
• 33:18
  And the extension of that is I wouldn't have found your show if
• 33:22
  that one person didn't leave a review that was super
• 33:25
  meaningful. So thank you for that.
• 33:27
  I encourage everybody who watches or listens to this just
• 33:31
  to know that on our side of the camera here, getting those
• 33:33
  ratings and reviews super important on sort of a broad
• 33:36
  eternal scale. But also, I mean, we read
• 33:39
  everyone and it's nice and makes us feel good.
• 33:42
  So that's also good to refer back to some of the things what
• 33:47
  kept repeating in my mind for what you were both saying is
• 33:53
  going back to that word synthesis because information
• 33:57
  repetition is one thing and there's is not inherently bad,
• 34:02
  but synthesis happens in community.
• 34:05
  Synthesis happens in multiplicity.
• 34:08
  You know, synthesis. Not to get too woo woo on it,
• 34:10
  but I mean, we have a triune God.
• 34:12
  We have a Godhead who is synthesized in three independent
• 34:19
  personal but entirely united parts.
• 34:23
  And speaking as someone who started their career in
• 34:28
  podcasting, doing interviews, primarily meaning synthesizing
• 34:33
  information with other people coming on the show to then in,
• 34:37
  you know, about 2020 primarily doing shows without guests, but
• 34:45
  looking for synthesis in other ways, you know, Kinnear crying
• 34:48
  news talk. Of course, we we do the news.
• 34:52
  And it just happens to be because it is to my vocation
• 34:55
  when I meet somebody in real life and they realize, Oh my
• 34:58
  gosh, you know, way more about what's going on in the world
• 35:01
  than I do. Where do you get your news?
• 35:04
  They say, and I say, well, not from cable television.
• 35:07
  And they'll say, well, I watch CNN, but I also watch Fox, so I
• 35:13
  get all the different viewpoints.
• 35:15
  I'm like, yeah. And they, they, they show
• 35:20
  literal exhaustion when they ask where do you get your news?
• 35:24
  And they say, you know, I read about 80 articles a week from
• 35:29
  all different things primarily, you know, I would say about 50%
• 35:35
  comes from the mainstream news. The other 50% comes from the,
• 35:39
  the various alternative and, and you know, micro sources all the
• 35:43
  way down to individual citizen reporter, stuff like that.
• 35:47
  And it, it hurts the brain of someone who, and I don't I love
• 35:54
  my boomers. I love them.
• 35:56
  I would not be anywhere without the boomers in my life.
• 35:58
  And the boomers that, you know, support my work.
• 36:01
  I love them. But it is a particular
• 36:03
  characteristic of the Boomer generation who came from a world
• 36:08
  where not only could the news be trusted a little bit more, but
• 36:14
  there's just no other option. And so it's still very much this
• 36:19
  worldview of like, if it's not on TV, then it isn't true.
• 36:23
  But if I watch Fox and CNN, then I know everything there is to
• 36:27
  know, of course, without without the knowledge that they're
• 36:31
  controlled by the same people and you know, under the same
• 36:35
  corporate interests and etcetera, etcetera.
• 36:38
  You realize that that's there's really no difference in in
• 36:42
  getting it from Fox or CNN without the exception of
• 36:46
  entertainment value. They all have just different
• 36:49
  entertainment values, almost different kinds of humor.
• 36:54
  And I use humor sort of metaphorically there where to
• 36:58
  really start building an an understanding of the world that
• 37:03
  at the very least isn't in direct control of a singular
• 37:08
  establishment. It's a matter of going as far
• 37:13
  and wide. It doesn't obviously mean that
• 37:15
  you believe everything you read. And there's no, there's never
• 37:18
  one article that gives you the full truth.
• 37:22
  But once you get, you know, four or five articles in on a
• 37:26
  particular current event, then you're able to synthesize
• 37:33
  something approximating a useful true objective telling of the
• 37:37
  story, just even simply from what isn't what is omitted in
• 37:44
  certain outlets. You know, sometimes the lies
• 37:48
  don't happen in outright lies. A lot of times they do.
• 37:51
  But other times the lies happen in omission or anonymous sources
• 37:57
  or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So in the same way, that's just
• 38:00
  a personal example of mine to say in the same way, that is how
• 38:05
  synthesis is so important when it comes to everything and
• 38:08
  especially in our walk in the context of fellowship with other
• 38:15
  believers, prayer with other believers, A countless number of
• 38:20
  inputs from, you know, people you trust, people you know are
• 38:24
  good actors, people who you're LED believe, you know, have the
• 38:28
  right interests in mind. Those who are really after what
• 38:32
  God wants, God's truth. And you get enough of those
• 38:35
  coming in and interacting with each other because again, go
• 38:38
  back to the Trinity. It's not that God the Father,
• 38:41
  God the Son and the Holy Spirit exist as separate entities
• 38:46
  1,000,000 miles away and don't talk to each other.
• 38:49
  You know, the the beauty and the mystery of the Trinity is that
• 38:56
  they're in connection. They are synthesizing with each
• 38:59
  other all the time. I don't do anything unless the
• 39:01
  Father tells me to, you know, that sort of thing.
• 39:05
  This Holy Spirit coming in as a helper.
• 39:07
  It's this, this synthesizing for, for our puny little human
• 39:12
  brains, which are beautiful and amazing.
• 39:16
  You know, it's, it's goes down to the very cellular way that
• 39:19
  our brain works. Our brain isn't one big block of
• 39:22
  knowledge. It is a web of neurons that are
• 39:26
  firing in sort of an endlessly mysterious and infinitely
• 39:30
  complex ways. You know, when you, when you,
• 39:33
  when I say the word synthesis, it includes neurons that are
• 39:38
  firing from, you know, 8th grade biology class.
• 39:42
  Well, why would 8th grade biology class?
• 39:44
  You know what I mean? It's this sort of endlessly
• 39:47
  mysterious infinite collection of different data points playing
• 39:52
  together to synthesize any individual thought.
• 39:57
  And what I love about what you're doing at MMS is that
• 40:01
  exact thing bringing in. Such a wide arrangement of
• 40:10
  people and perspectives at the same time, it's really not about
• 40:15
  to any individual, it's really not about taking the word of any
• 40:20
  one of the individual people. You know here, people watching
• 40:22
  this with three of us. It's not really about, well,
• 40:25
  Basil said this, so that's great.
• 40:27
  It's oh, well, Basil responded to Rod, and then Rod was
• 40:31
  piggybacking off of Erin, which led back to Basil getting
• 40:34
  obsessed with the word synthesis.
• 40:36
  And Oh my gosh, it changed my life, you know, and that's,
• 40:39
  that's how it all should, should work.
• 40:41
  Which is directly opposite of how the adversary has our
• 40:45
  timelines set up. Our timelines are set up to feed
• 40:50
  US1 version of the narrative, whatever version that is they're
• 40:54
  using to control us. And you'll notice that there's
• 40:58
  not a ton of opportunity for synthesis of disparate
• 41:02
  information because we've been told, hey, if you hear this
• 41:06
  factor, this idea enough times, that must be true.
• 41:10
  So our timelines feed us the same message over and over and
• 41:13
  over and over just to keep banging at home.
• 41:18
  So, you know, this is really, I mean, the way God intended it is
• 41:22
  to have, well, you might even call it a fellowship of people
• 41:28
  coming in with their ideas. That was so good.
• 41:32
  That was so good. I forgot if you asked a
• 41:34
  question. What you.
• 41:38
  I think level up, level up, level up, right?
• 41:40
  It's like, I think it would be like super cool just the way
• 41:44
  that this is going. If we ask each other questions,
• 41:46
  OK, and and because we we're ripping on each other and going
• 41:51
  in the direction where we're eventually going to need to be
• 41:54
  like, what's your take and and how do we get to that next?
• 41:58
  You know, hammering in the idea to get to the next synthesis,
• 42:02
  right. Plug in the next topic with
• 42:03
  that, whatever the spirit gives us in the trajectory.
• 42:08
  Man, Basil, you're saying so much that's that's important and
• 42:11
  valuable to this over overview of all of it.
• 42:15
  You know, I did a, a couple, I'm on the days of Noah Bacchia.
• 42:18
  Shout out to Pete and Luke over there quite often.
• 42:21
  We're we're constant collaborators and we did a
• 42:25
  deconstruction and a reconstruction of like modern
• 42:28
  Christianity. And it's, it's this idea of the
• 42:33
  ecclesia, right? The word for church, the
• 42:35
  ecclesia, however you want to pronounce it.
• 42:37
  Like when we get together, there's autocorrect features in
• 42:41
  synthesizing information right, because if I'm coming like way
• 42:45
  too aggressively and strong like no, aliens are real and aliens
• 42:49
  are not biblical characters. The Bible is fraud.
• 42:52
  If you start to even shift into those like highlighted or or you
• 42:56
  know your overtones are more in agreement with not the word of
• 43:00
  God and and what your mind is doing with what God told you and
• 43:03
  it's not stored up in your art, but you're starting to go
• 43:05
  astray. An autocorrect feature in the
• 43:08
  group of people that have their heart and their mind pinned on
• 43:10
  Christ. Easy to identify.
• 43:13
  Like we do home church, we do meetups, like, you know, we're
• 43:16
  doing God and guns together. Aaron was up just a couple weeks
• 43:18
  ago for that here in PA. Like we're doing stuff.
• 43:21
  And and I'm not saying that that gets contested in that group,
• 43:24
  but if an outsider came in slinging some crazy information
• 43:28
  like we're fellowshipping in the spirit in deep places where like
• 43:33
  right away we'd be like, yo, like something's off, like test
• 43:38
  the spirit is kind of what I'm getting at here.
• 43:40
  And so I think it's fascinating that we're being birthed into
• 43:45
  the very concept of God's original design through the
• 43:49
  means of what was created to destroy us.
• 43:52
  Right? This, this never ending media,
• 43:54
  this never ending algorithm, this TikTok brain, this, you
• 43:57
  know, they say, Oh, you got ADD and and it's like I've been told
• 44:01
  my whole life how that's been highlighted as a boundary for me
• 44:04
  that I can't step over or things that I can't do because of that.
• 44:07
  But I've seen God work in the midst of what they call an
• 44:11
  ailment to actually supersede and take me into places where
• 44:14
  the Kingdom is now opening up the narrow Rd. for me to stay
• 44:17
  on. And I'm like, my God, here we
• 44:19
  are, we've arrived, right? Like God, you are on the throne
• 44:22
  and you're doing only what it is you can do.
• 44:24
  Because the systematic desensitization, how they tried
• 44:27
  to shut me down and label me and then program me, it's failing.
• 44:31
  And it's failing predominantly in settings where I'm with other
• 44:36
  people who understand this, critique it, applaud it, correct
• 44:41
  it, all of that fun stuff, right?
• 44:42
  Remind sharp and encourage it. So I mean, that's my I don't
• 44:46
  want that's my rant, right? Let's start questioning each
• 44:51
  other like let's let's cross question some ideas here about
• 44:54
  what where this is all taking us conversation wise and so much
• 45:00
  more. Yeah, yeah.
• 45:01
  I mean, I'd love that. The Holy Spirit is a great auto
• 45:04
  correct for sure. And the fact that the Holy
• 45:07
  Spirit is moving in, you know, every conversation and every
• 45:12
  believer in his present, you know, it's kind of like Clippy.
• 45:15
  Everybody's got Clippy automatically installed on
• 45:18
  their, on their whatever it's called Word, Microsoft Word or
• 45:22
  whatever the yeah, the auto correct feature.
• 45:27
  It's funny, I think about it that way.
• 45:29
  I hadn't, I hadn't thought about it that way, but it both of
• 45:33
  those things you're talking about are true.
• 45:34
  One thing that I find honestly, I mean just really irritating.
• 45:39
  Most things I can try to find lots of words, but usually the
• 45:43
  word is just irritated when it goes back to, you know, the, the
• 45:48
  conspiracy believers, the identity of the conspiracy
• 45:52
  theorists. You know, it's usually presented
• 45:56
  as in like they're a hive mind to one of them will tell a lie
• 46:00
  and then they all believe the lie.
• 46:02
  It's so creepy. It's like, bro, you don't know
• 46:05
  what you're talking about. The the weirdo community is
• 46:09
  constantly auto correcting each other, constantly calling each
• 46:13
  other shells, constantly trying to, you know, filter each other
• 46:18
  out. And while it could be a negative
• 46:20
  experience and, you know, not very fun sometimes, that indeed
• 46:24
  add to the exhaustion. It's certainly better than a
• 46:28
  mainstream, you know, news outlet competing with their
• 46:33
  enemy mainstream news outlet. And yet they're both reporting
• 46:37
  the same lie for the same reasons.
• 46:39
  You know that the funniest thing to watch now is the the
• 46:43
  mainstream media's obsession with we were lied to about Joe
• 46:48
  Biden's sharpness. We were lied to about this Jake
• 46:52
  Tapper writing a whole book when, you know, they were the
• 46:54
  ones saying he's sharper than attack.
• 46:56
  I saw him personally. I talked to him.
• 46:58
  He's great. He's great.
• 47:00
  And now they're all coming out being like, oh, we were
• 47:03
  deceived. You know why you were deceived?
• 47:07
  Just because you don't have the Holy Spirit coming in and
• 47:09
  telling you to, you know, tell the truth and you're just
• 47:13
  following the new God, the state.
• 47:17
  But yeah, especially when it comes to believers, it is a very
• 47:23
  special. And I think whatever is
• 47:25
  happening in the world has made it this way a little bit more.
• 47:29
  I'd say if you go 5-10 years back, the the enmity behind or
• 47:37
  the enmity in some relationships between various Christians
• 47:42
  online, you know, having different beliefs about the
• 47:45
  tribulation post Trib, pre rap, blah, blah, blah.
• 47:48
  The whole thing, you know, that used to really split up
• 47:52
  believers in the space. And while it's still a
• 47:56
  disagreement that exists, what I'm finding is that it is
• 47:59
  splitting up the body much less lately.
• 48:03
  Not that it doesn't happen. And maybe it's just in my, you
• 48:06
  know, in my circles or my experience, but there's some
• 48:11
  movement. I mean, there's many movements
• 48:13
  going on that that is, no, it seems like that piece of
• 48:17
  sabotage from the adversary is no longer as effective as it
• 48:22
  once was. And I think, you know, the Holy
• 48:24
  Spirit has a lot to do with that.
• 48:26
  Absolutely. I'm actually a walking testament
• 48:30
  of that. I've been listening to Canary
• 48:32
  Cry News Talk and Canary Cry Radio for for years, probably
• 48:37
  about four or five years. And then that led me to actually
• 48:41
  listen to Rod with Millennial Mustard Seed probably about 2
• 48:44
  1/2 years ago. And it's funny that you just
• 48:48
  mentioned that. The reason why I'm even here
• 48:52
  right now, talking to the people that I'd listen to even today,
• 48:58
  that's where I get my news. Literally I wrote an e-mail to
• 49:03
  Rod just asking about a previous episode that he had on that very
• 49:07
  topic, Basil, you know, which was like, you know, pre
• 49:10
  tribulation, mid Trib post Trib theology, right?
• 49:14
  And like how, you know, all these ideologies clash and like,
• 49:19
  people used to fight about it. But I mean, it was obviously,
• 49:23
  you know, such a topic that like, it's really hard to e-mail
• 49:26
  that. So he actually gave me his
• 49:27
  number. And then like, now we're like
• 49:30
  best friends. I got my best buddy Basil.
• 49:32
  I got my best buddy Rod. But there is a scripture that
• 49:37
  actually I was led to as you guys were speaking.
• 49:41
  It's Proverbs 1320, and I can attest to this as well.
• 49:46
  And it says whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the
• 49:51
  companion of fools will suffer harm.
• 49:54
  So we live in a world where obviously there's a difference
• 49:57
  between mainstream media, you know, alternative media and
• 50:01
  independent media. Basil, you know, you guys over
• 50:03
  Canary Cry have touched on this quite a bit.
• 50:07
  And I think it's super important to like, you know, surround
• 50:10
  yourself with the right people and the right information and
• 50:14
  not just trusting in Basil or, you know, guns or Rod or Aaron
• 50:19
  or anybody, but like really taking that time to turning
• 50:25
  towards the word and asking and praying, you know, for
• 50:30
  discernment because the Holy Spirit will give you that.
• 50:33
  I mean, I've been LED in certain ways.
• 50:35
  I've Rod, I've gotten things wrong.
• 50:37
  I've gotten things right. I've been down, down deep rabbit
• 50:41
  trails right where it led me to kind of like this, you know,
• 50:46
  this movement that we've seen on the right.
• 50:49
  You know, I'm not really going to give it any power or
• 50:51
  authority or anything like that. But, you know, we'll just kind
• 50:54
  of trust in the Holy Spirit. But I just want to say that
• 50:59
  like, you know, certain things take time, be intentional, you
• 51:04
  know, surround yourself with the right people.
• 51:06
  Surround yourself with the word, dive into the word.
• 51:09
  You know, don't you're not going to get truth in 30 seconds.
• 51:13
  It's not going to happen, You know, and like, that's the age
• 51:15
  that we live in. You know, Basil himself says he,
• 51:20
  he, he reads 80 news articles a week.
• 51:23
  That's a lot. I mean, I, I would challenge any
• 51:25
  of the listeners. I mean, how many articles do you
• 51:27
  actually read through, you know, different sources and doing that
• 51:31
  compare and contrast, you know, that Venn diagram like, OK,
• 51:35
  let's meet somewhere in the middle, right?
• 51:39
  Totally. Oh, absolutely.
• 51:40
  I mean, that's, that's the whole thing.
• 51:42
  You know, I love what you're saying about surrounding
• 51:45
  yourself with the right people. And you know, it's funny because
• 51:47
  in my life as well, it's, it's a little bit, I mean, we all kind
• 51:51
  of need to ask our question. Like how do we know who's the
• 51:54
  right people? Because we can, you know, we can
• 51:57
  set up, you know, our pros and cons list or put together, you
• 52:02
  know, a checklist of what the, the characteristics of the kind
• 52:06
  of people we want to surround ourselves with.
• 52:08
  And that is great and recommend everybody do that.
• 52:11
  You know, sometimes, you know, sometimes you don't know.
• 52:14
  Now we all know that sometimes people don't end up being who we
• 52:19
  thought they were or delivering on characteristics they had LED
• 52:22
  us to believe where part of their deal or simply people just
• 52:27
  change, you know, things change like that.
• 52:29
  And that again is where the fellowship comes in.
• 52:31
  The the auto correct is in the data points.
• 52:36
  You know, let's say you got 10 friends or 10 people you're
• 52:40
  fellowshipping with. If one of them's, you know,
• 52:45
  snake in the grass, it might be hard to tell.
• 52:48
  It often is hard to tell with our direct relationship with
• 52:52
  snakes in the grass. You know, we can find all sorts
• 52:56
  of reasons to, you know, do things like give them grace or
• 53:01
  or simply just not pay attention to the red flags, etcetera,
• 53:04
  etcetera. But the autocorrect again comes
• 53:07
  in the fellowship comes in the synthesis where you have other
• 53:11
  people around you who can, you know, again, there's always a
• 53:16
  fine line between gossip and blah, blah, blah.
• 53:20
  You know that the bad ways that this can reveal itself, but
• 53:26
  often times the snakes in the grass are the gossips, you know,
• 53:29
  are the dividers, things like that.
• 53:32
  But yeah, this again, really this concept of surrounding
• 53:38
  yourself but seeking out, prioritizing fellowship and
• 53:42
  synthesis with others. And right there, built into the
• 53:45
  mechanism is this like fail safe, auto correct thing in all
• 53:51
  sorts of different ways. And again, yeah, like I'll say
• 53:54
  all all day, all all day, all long.
• 53:56
  What when it comes to get in the news, you know, you spread it
• 54:01
  out, you get it from every like literally everywhere, not just
• 54:04
  different cable news channels when you are, you know, I mean,
• 54:08
  one big thing, even down to culture war issues.
• 54:11
  And I don't want to take it too far away from faith, but I'll,
• 54:15
  I'll wrap it back around. But because culture war issues
• 54:18
  are such a big part of online life for people, especially
• 54:21
  people who make a habit of listening to podcasts and
• 54:25
  watching shows and stuff like that, it it's almost you can't
• 54:28
  escape from the culture war things.
• 54:31
  And that that's one of the really dangerous categories
• 54:38
  where if you're really just paying attention to one person,
• 54:42
  one influencer, 1 podcaster, 1 teacher, whatever, you're really
• 54:48
  just getting a direct download of their their ideas about a
• 54:54
  culture war. And you got to remember that's
• 54:57
  maybe the most dangerous, as far as I don't know, the most
• 55:04
  dangerous when it comes to, well, I'll say this, the
• 55:07
  algorithms, they latch on to your culture war influences
• 55:11
  right away. And they will feed you that till
• 55:14
  the cows come home. And by the time you notice that
• 55:17
  that's all you're seeing, it's too late.
• 55:19
  You know, there's, and I mean specifically culture war stuff,
• 55:22
  not necessarily like fact based stuff, you know, currently facts
• 55:27
  of a current event or something, but you know, how to treat
• 55:31
  people, how to think about people.
• 55:33
  And boy, oh boy, if your culture war diet is not chock a block
• 55:38
  full of loving, gracious, merciful believers, you're going
• 55:44
  to get weaponized immediately. You turn into a total tool of
• 55:48
  the culture war and it's dangerous.
• 55:50
  You know, it's a really, it's something that again, I go back
• 55:53
  every day. Every time I open my phone, I
• 55:56
  go, OK, let's see what the, you know, mind control system has me
• 56:04
  going down today. And just being aware of it is a
• 56:07
  huge thing, but also seeking out various sources.
• 56:11
  I like we keep saying, but also seeking out various sorts of
• 56:15
  fellowship, you know, and if, if a bad apple gets in there, you
• 56:21
  just got to trust A, the Holy Spirit is going to be speaking
• 56:25
  to you about it. And B, you know, the Holy Spirit
• 56:28
  might use others in your, in your fellowship.
• 56:31
  It's more important than ever because like you said, the world
• 56:34
  is changing drastically. We are we things are moving so
• 56:39
  fast. And this is kind of cliche to
• 56:40
  say, especially seeing as the last 10 years have felt like
• 56:43
  this, but right now we have reached some sort of peak frenzy
• 56:49
  where things are moving so fast. Are are we are on purpose.
• 56:54
  We're living in a system that is designed to keep our feet from
• 56:59
  being friendly, planted in anything.
• 57:02
  And the only way we're going to make it to next year.
• 57:05
  And I'm, you know, I'm serious. I tell people like I'm literally
• 57:08
  saying in the next 6 months, there's going to be a shift in
• 57:11
  the world. You know, at the very, let's say
• 57:15
  at least in 365 days, the world is going to look entirely
• 57:19
  different. And if you're not firmly rooted
• 57:22
  and not rooted with others who are rooted around you, like a
• 57:26
  Grove of trees, you know, it's not just the roots going in the
• 57:30
  ground that protects the the tree from the storm, but it's
• 57:34
  the roots of all the trees coming together, growing
• 57:37
  together and holding on tight so that not even a, you know, a
• 57:44
  hurricane can come blast them out.
• 57:47
  Am I supposed to think of a question now for you guys?
• 57:50
  That's probably what I should have been thinking about the
• 57:52
  whole time. We're doing great.
• 57:56
  I actually would like to introduce a new segment, an old
• 57:59
  segment and a new segment. So Basil, before you think of
• 58:04
  another question, I would love for you to provide a flippy
• 58:09
  update. And then following that, I would
• 58:12
  love Rod to provide the very first flipper update.
• 58:18
  Flipper. Flipper.
• 58:21
  That sounds fun. You know, I always love.
• 58:23
  I don't know if it's actually about robots.
• 58:26
  Is it? Oh, this is about dolphins,
• 58:28
  isn't it? Is that the Flipper update?
• 58:30
  OK, I am. What am I doing?
• 58:35
  I am very casually and naturally opening up my document here.
• 58:43
  We'll see if the Internet. Oh.
• 58:47
  Oh. What?
• 58:48
  You got something going on there?
• 58:49
  Did my audio cut out? Can you guys hear me?
• 58:52
  Come on Internet, we prayed over you.
• 58:53
  Oh, there we go. Oh gosh.
• 58:59
  We hear you. OK, it's it is getting a little
• 59:02
  laggy over here. Listeners of Canary Cry will be
• 59:06
  intimately aware that there are certain web pages that if I open
• 59:10
  them, it just collapses the whole system over here.
• 59:14
  So I'm probably going to lag for just a moment.
• 59:17
  Totally get well I'll fill in for about 30 seconds the how
• 59:21
  epic the flippy updates have been like over the years.
• 59:26
  Like I was in the factory twenty 18/19/2021 all the way to like
• 59:31
  23 almost. And I was in pretty interesting
• 59:36
  role, but I was able to have like 1 earbud in.
• 59:38
  And I like when I look back, a lot of a lot of the stuff I
• 59:43
  remember old content wise because Basel guns have so much
• 59:47
  is these flippy updates and you know, the innocence of flipping
• 59:52
  a burger now to you know, these stationary devices taking over
• 59:56
  the world and flirting with our women.
• 59:58
  I mean, it's just like it's the floor to line up.
• 1:00:01
  I love it. Yeah.
• 1:00:03
  You know, I mean, that is, it's one of those things we actually
• 1:00:09
  now, I haven't had a lot of a lot of people complain about
• 1:00:12
  this, so I took that as a sign. But we haven't been doing flippy
• 1:00:18
  updates on every show like we used to.
• 1:00:22
  And part of that is the breadth of news about robots.
• 1:00:28
  First of all, it turns out the flippy update did its job, which
• 1:00:32
  is people are pretty familiar now with just how truly close we
• 1:00:40
  are to the full on, you know, robot takeover and not just
• 1:00:44
  taking over the world, but taking over our jobs, flirting
• 1:00:47
  with our spouses and, you know, indoctrinating our children.
• 1:00:52
  It's almost like it, you know, the flippy update kind of lost
• 1:00:55
  its its novelty, but at the same time, you know, it's gone more
• 1:01:02
  mainstream than ever. And of course, a good example of
• 1:01:05
  this is Elon's optimist robots. You know, optimist, the kind of,
• 1:01:11
  I mean, in true Elon fashion, you know, it's sleek, it's sexy.
• 1:01:16
  It's like that's, that's what people wanted the robots to be.
• 1:01:19
  Some of these robots, they're really goofy looking, but he's
• 1:01:23
  got his all figured out. It's he claims that they'll be
• 1:01:27
  rolling out 100,000 of them by the end of this year, which, you
• 1:01:31
  know, he almost never keeps his timing promises, but well, it
• 1:01:36
  still means it's close. And when it comes to the, the
• 1:01:42
  various parts of the flippy update intro, you know, they're
• 1:01:45
  going to be taking our jobs. Well, this is obvious.
• 1:01:47
  Everybody's on this flirting with our spouses.
• 1:01:50
  I mean, the amount of times that we have reported on specifically
• 1:01:55
  robots taking the role, not of just like companion for the
• 1:01:59
  elderly, but of romantic companion.
• 1:02:02
  And we recently had Elon gave an optimist robot to Kim
• 1:02:07
  Kardashian, who, you know, whatever you think of Kim
• 1:02:10
  Kardashian, her role as sort of a high priestess of secular
• 1:02:15
  culture is sort of a sex symbol. That's her whole thing.
• 1:02:19
  And she had a whole campaign of, you know, social media posts.
• 1:02:25
  I'm sure that she and Elon had some deal worked out where she
• 1:02:29
  basically was dating the robot. Like, not even in a funny way.
• 1:02:34
  Like, they were like serious cuddling and going places
• 1:02:38
  together and really showing this, you know, companionship
• 1:02:44
  that robots can do now. And, you know, again, it's
• 1:02:48
  different if it's in someone, you know, an elderly person or a
• 1:02:53
  disabled person who has a robot who's helping them.
• 1:02:56
  This is always the distinction that we try to make, to be just
• 1:03:00
  to be realistic about technology and not be total Luddites.
• 1:03:04
  But given the fact that her role in society is sort of this high
• 1:03:08
  priestess sex symbol implicitly was not only normalizing but
• 1:03:14
  encouraging this romantic void that can be filled in people's
• 1:03:22
  lives by robots. You know, the roboticist will
• 1:03:25
  say, well, we got to solve a problem.
• 1:03:28
  You know, robots need to solve a problem.
• 1:03:30
  We can't just do robots for nothing.
• 1:03:31
  They need to solve a problem. The problem that this particular
• 1:03:35
  campaign is advertising with Kim Kardashian is the problem of
• 1:03:41
  modern dating culture, hookup culture, Internet no app, Tinder
• 1:03:46
  culture. It's left.
• 1:03:47
  You know, we're seeing Gen. Z turn towards the right as a
• 1:03:51
  generation turns traditional, finding God again in numbers
• 1:03:55
  that nobody alive has ever seen. There's not a person alive who
• 1:04:00
  has been who has ever seen a movement of a generation towards
• 1:04:05
  conservatism or traditionalism. Like we are watching Gen.
• 1:04:09
  Z now and all the, the mainstream media has all sorts
• 1:04:13
  of reasons for this, because of COVID, because of cell phones,
• 1:04:16
  because of whatever. And the fact of the matter is
• 1:04:19
  that there's a void. They have a void in their life
• 1:04:23
  between the way that dating culture and and, you know,
• 1:04:27
  mental illness factors into it. And of course, social justice
• 1:04:32
  and culture war issues has created such an empty space in
• 1:04:38
  young people's lives that they are in record numbers turning to
• 1:04:42
  robots for not just like sexual conversations or whatever they
• 1:04:48
  do with the chat bot, but with actual romantic relationships,
• 1:04:53
  finding caring, you know, a caring partner that doesn't
• 1:04:57
  blah, blah, blah. You know, you know, you guys
• 1:04:59
  know romantic relationships, right?
• 1:05:01
  You understand, I don't need to explain that to anybody.
• 1:05:05
  And so back to the optimist robot of being positioned as
• 1:05:09
  this coming out in the hundreds of thousands at least claimed by
• 1:05:13
  Elon in the next 6 months. I'll even just give him a year.
• 1:05:19
  And the, you know, the the destruction of humans trying to
• 1:05:26
  fix their own problems through technology is as old as time
• 1:05:32
  itself, which is kind of part of the fun of watching the cycle
• 1:05:37
  play out again from the Tower of Babel up all the way up until
• 1:05:41
  now, you know, humans solving physical, technical problems.
• 1:05:46
  You know, agriculture, various pieces of Labor, improving
• 1:05:53
  quality of life and and experience as a physical human
• 1:05:57
  being is one thing, but it's different.
• 1:06:01
  Much like the Tower of Babel where technology is developed
• 1:06:04
  to, to solve an eternal, a spiritual problem, a a problem
• 1:06:12
  that was, you know, caused by separation from God and his sort
• 1:06:19
  of statutes. In the same way, there is a
• 1:06:21
  void, especially in Gen. Z right now, that they are
• 1:06:24
  seeking out that once again, the technologists via these robots
• 1:06:29
  are not just trying to solve a labor problem, you know, that's
• 1:06:33
  something that's its own problem, but to solve these deep
• 1:06:36
  rooted spiritual eternal problems using their technology.
• 1:06:41
  I'll just say we all better get ready to learn a different
• 1:06:45
  language because the things are going to get rowdy really quick,
• 1:06:51
  Boo. So like CERN would be one of
• 1:06:54
  those, right? So I'm just going to say I will
• 1:06:57
  publicly announce that I discern a dad joke for you and I
• 1:07:03
  discern. But yeah, no, it's just like
• 1:07:07
  there was an episode, Basil, where you and Gans did a flippy
• 1:07:12
  update where there was like a like a marathon, right?
• 1:07:16
  And you guys said something very profound to where like, you guys
• 1:07:19
  are over the target, right? And like, I think the world is
• 1:07:22
  catching up to the threat that, you know, the robots taking our
• 1:07:26
  jobs, flirting with our wives, you know, taking our jobs, like
• 1:07:30
  flirting with our spouses. They lost, right?
• 1:07:34
  So. So humans overcame robotics,
• 1:07:38
  right? So there's nothing to worry
• 1:07:39
  about anymore, right? Right.
• 1:07:42
  Don't worry anymore. Yeah, we talk about behind the
• 1:07:45
  scenes all the time and even on air that everything that it like
• 1:07:49
  technology being revealed has probably been in place for
• 1:07:51
  probably 40 to 50 years at minimum.
• 1:07:54
  So what they're reviewing or true, true choosing to reveal,
• 1:07:58
  you know, nothing to see here. Don't worry, right?
• 1:08:04
  So what? Were you guys and not not only
• 1:08:07
  nothing to see here, but you know, this is our destiny.
• 1:08:11
  You know, this is it's all wrapped up in sort of the
• 1:08:13
  transhumanism, the ascension of man too.
• 1:08:17
  When you're talking about CERN, you know, they're like, oh,
• 1:08:20
  we're going to try to find another particle or whatever.
• 1:08:23
  And, you know, they can use this sort of technical lingo to
• 1:08:27
  explain their experiment, but they themselves, especially at
• 1:08:31
  CERN, have overlaid their work with ritual, with spiritual
• 1:08:37
  importance, with ascension of humanity to look through space
• 1:08:42
  and time and understand the very fabric of reality.
• 1:08:47
  You know, it's the sort of this height of hubris which, look,
• 1:08:50
  I'm not even totally against, you know, scientific discovery,
• 1:08:54
  That's fine. But when we start, you know,
• 1:08:57
  making a religion out of it and try to solve sort of spiritual
• 1:09:02
  eternal problems with temporal human technology, I mean, it's
• 1:09:08
  just a lesson we haven't learned yet.
• 1:09:11
  Yeah, it's wild. It's absolutely wild.
• 1:09:16
  So you're going to tell us about the dolphins?
• 1:09:18
  I want the flipper update bro. Well, I don't even know what to
• 1:09:23
  do. I'm like throw it on the spot
• 1:09:25
  flipper update I guess would be the I mean I'm looking at all of
• 1:09:29
  it as you guys can see I'm sharing my screen here, but one
• 1:09:32
  of the things that I found to be really provocative is that they
• 1:09:36
  made it illegal to witness the birth of dolphins.
• 1:09:40
  That happened recently and I'm like, and this came up like
• 1:09:45
  super organically, if I may say it that way, because when I was
• 1:09:50
  in North Carolina with Aaron, the beginning of this year, we
• 1:09:54
  had this crazy supernatural encounter.
• 1:09:57
  I consider it to be supernatural encounter with dolphins.
• 1:10:00
  And I've always loved dolphins. Like I love orcas, which are the
• 1:10:03
  biggest dolphin really anyway. And then, but I've never thought
• 1:10:06
  about it, you know, like I did that cloud episode, like looking
• 1:10:10
  at how many times clouds come up in the Bible and what the Bible
• 1:10:13
  says about it. And and that like I got so many
• 1:10:16
  emails and people just been like, I've never thought about
• 1:10:18
  clouds like that before my life. Like what is going on?
• 1:10:20
  That happened to me with dolphins recently.
• 1:10:22
  I'm like, there's like a whole world of stuff that's like so
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  weird. I'm trying to wrap my head
• 1:10:27
  around we're doing it in real time.
• 1:10:29
  So what was this? Supernatural experience you had.
• 1:10:33
  Well, Aaron, actually. Dolphins, this is.
• 1:10:35
  Yeah, dude. Oh my gosh.
• 1:10:38
  So all right, let me let me pass it to Aaron to set the stage for
• 1:10:41
  it. If you want me to chime in,
• 1:10:43
  Aaron answer Basil's question. One question, you said that it
• 1:10:48
  just became illegal to witness a dolphin birth.
• 1:10:51
  I just learned, and I'm wondering if you guys heard
• 1:10:54
  this, that it's illegal to try to talk to dolphins.
• 1:11:01
  All right, we're getting sent to the list now.
• 1:11:05
  Leave scooting along, gentlemen. Communicate with dolphins.
• 1:11:08
  All right, Eric. This is crazy.
• 1:11:10
  Just crazy. OK, so like I, I moved down to
• 1:11:12
  North Carolina back in 2021, right?
• 1:11:14
  And I remember I got so excited just being from Ohio, I jumped
• 1:11:17
  off my boat when I saw a pod of dolphins.
• 1:11:19
  And then Coast Guard came up and they said it's illegal to swim
• 1:11:22
  with dolphins. I'm like, what?
• 1:11:24
  They give me a warning. Rod came and visited me.
• 1:11:27
  We did kind of a working fellowship, and I took him to my
• 1:11:30
  favorite place. I told him, you know, it's where
• 1:11:33
  I find Serenity. It's a little island off the
• 1:11:36
  coast of North Carolina called Serenity Point.
• 1:11:39
  And we went there and we were intentional.
• 1:11:42
  We grounded ourselves. That's not New Age, by the way,
• 1:11:46
  just for the listeners out there.
• 1:11:48
  Meaning you took your shoes off. Correct.
• 1:11:51
  Yeah, we had our feet in the sand and the.
• 1:11:54
  Feet were all over the sand down there, yes.
• 1:11:58
  And we went to this little point and we were intentional.
• 1:12:04
  We, we built this big cross out of sand.
• 1:12:07
  And then we got down on our hands and knees.
• 1:12:08
  We prayed together. And then Rod looked at me and he
• 1:12:11
  said, on the count of three, we're, we're, we're both going
• 1:12:14
  to scream at the top of our lungs, the mighty name of Jesus.
• 1:12:19
  So we did. He counted down 123, count it
• 1:12:22
  up, I should say. And we screamed Jesus.
• 1:12:26
  And almost instantaneously there was a pot of dolphins that
• 1:12:30
  literally beached themselves right next to us in this little
• 1:12:35
  cut out. And they just sat there and they
• 1:12:37
  stared at us and they revealed their flippers.
• 1:12:40
  They stayed there. They were not feeding.
• 1:12:42
  They were not doing anything. It was almost like confirmation
• 1:12:44
  with God's creation coming into confirmation with the
• 1:12:48
  proclamation of Jesus. Rod.
• 1:12:50
  I'll pass it back to you, brother.
• 1:12:52
  Oh my God, that's crazy. Were they in trouble?
• 1:12:54
  They they beat themselves on purpose, just hanging out.
• 1:12:57
  Yeah, like 7 feet from where the waves were crashing is my
• 1:13:01
  estimate, possibly closer and further at different times
• 1:13:05
  during this experience. But I want to, I want to even
• 1:13:08
  back up a little bit because the everything's multi layered,
• 1:13:11
  multi layered effect, the multi layered reality, right?
• 1:13:15
  Right before this, we're walking Serenity Point.
• 1:13:19
  And I'm like, Aaron, did something happen here?
• 1:13:24
  I I can't turn that part of myself on.
• 1:13:27
  Like, Rod is just the weird Rod he is wherever he goes.
• 1:13:31
  But sometimes the weirdness levels up, right?
• 1:13:34
  And so I'm feeling like something's off.
• 1:13:36
  And I'm like, dude, did something happen here?
• 1:13:38
  And he's like, yeah, they built this using the sandbar equipment
• 1:13:43
  because so many people were getting sucked out into the
• 1:13:46
  ocean at like high tide, low tide.
• 1:13:49
  And you have the calm Bay on the inside and the intercoastal,
• 1:13:53
  right, the ocean literally on the other side.
• 1:13:56
  And so they built this like tip on Serenity Point, like kind of
• 1:14:00
  enlarged it, if you will. So the the the tip was man made.
• 1:14:05
  They created a sound, basically, yeah, a safe swimming area.
• 1:14:08
  A safe swimming area, Yeah, because people were getting
• 1:14:11
  sucked out. And he's like, yeah, 10 people
• 1:14:13
  have died in the last three years here.
• 1:14:15
  And so I just remember being like, Lord, like you are king of
• 1:14:19
  the universe, just release it like, like if there's unfinished
• 1:14:22
  business here, like God, your spirit is all of it, man.
• 1:14:26
  Like you already knew that. But if you needed an ambassador
• 1:14:30
  to contend that idea and speak it out, here I am right.
• 1:14:34
  Then the dolphin thing happens after the prayer.
• 1:14:37
  We built the cross. And the craziest part about it
• 1:14:40
  is we have, we have some video of these dolphins and, and
• 1:14:42
  they're like gently almost beaching themselves, just coming
• 1:14:46
  up, showing their eye, their dorsal, their fins to us.
• 1:14:50
  And it's like super harmonious. A pod of dolphins.
• 1:14:54
  Yeah. Glorious man.
• 1:14:56
  And so immediately Aaron's like, dude, I prayed that we would see
• 1:15:00
  a sign and, and and then this happens within 5 seconds and
• 1:15:04
  he's like losing his stuff. And I'm just like, in the
• 1:15:07
  moment, like, OK, we are here, right?
• 1:15:15
  And he's like, what do you think this is about?
• 1:15:16
  And I said, listen, we shouted in agreement to the one name
• 1:15:20
  that is above every single name. And another intelligent force
• 1:15:26
  took recognition to that. And not only did they understand
• 1:15:31
  what was happening, because my plea was out of desperation, it
• 1:15:35
  was out of wanting to see the power of God just be like spoken
• 1:15:40
  out into this region. Like I'm just not ashamed,
• 1:15:43
  right? Like I don't go into Walmart and
• 1:15:45
  scream Jesus, like I'm not that guy.
• 1:15:46
  Like it has to be led by the Spirit.
• 1:15:48
  And I haven't done this, but maybe two or three other times
• 1:15:50
  in like the state capitol. And there's like other anyway.
• 1:15:53
  But I I said to Aaron, I'm like, dude, I really do believe that
• 1:15:58
  these intelligent species, the dolphins are resonating with our
• 1:16:04
  cry for righteousness in the region.
• 1:16:06
  That's exactly what I said to you, Aaron.
• 1:16:08
  I didn't like pontificate. I didn't keep going into it.
• 1:16:10
  And we didn't sit and have this long talk.
• 1:16:13
  It was kind of silent after that for a little bit.
• 1:16:15
  And we reflected and we're just like, I'm like Aaron, does that
• 1:16:19
  happen? Like, and he's like, dude, I've
• 1:16:21
  never I'll let him testify. But so I ask Aaron a question.
• 1:16:25
  Does that happen in your experience?
• 1:16:27
  I mean, you've been on what the Discovery Channel diving with
• 1:16:30
  people like all different types of like you've been all around,
• 1:16:33
  right? Is that normal?
• 1:16:36
  No, it's it's not. They're actually usually pretty
• 1:16:39
  skiddish. Yeah, No, I dove with Ocean
• 1:16:42
  Ramsay. She's a world renowned diver and
• 1:16:45
  she's the one that was with was it Big Blue, the biggest great
• 1:16:50
  white shark in the world? But no, they they don't act that
• 1:16:53
  way. Like, yeah, no, they're very
• 1:16:55
  friendly and sometimes they can play around a little bit.
• 1:16:57
  But like, typically, especially on the beach, they only come to
• 1:17:01
  the beach if they're they're hunting fish because they'll
• 1:17:03
  trap them up against like the shoreline.
• 1:17:05
  This was not that. Like they literally just swim up
• 1:17:08
  very slowly. You could see the white in their
• 1:17:12
  eyes. They were looking at it.
• 1:17:13
  It's almost like they were looking into your soul.
• 1:17:15
  I mean like trying to paint a picture here, like honestly you
• 1:17:18
  had to be there. And like I, my first intention
• 1:17:21
  was not to pull out my phone, which like, you know, we live in
• 1:17:24
  a world where everybody wants to describe their phone.
• 1:17:26
  It was so serene and we're at serenity point that it's just
• 1:17:30
  like, I just remember just staring and then like looking at
• 1:17:35
  Rod like what is going on right now?
• 1:17:37
  It literally happened within probably 2 seconds of us
• 1:17:40
  proclaiming dominion over the land under the mighty name of
• 1:17:43
  Jesus. That is unreal, guys.
• 1:17:46
  That is crazy. Yeah.
• 1:17:48
  You know, I mean, Amen. What an incredible experience
• 1:17:53
  that, you know, God allowed gave like it's, it's just incredible.
• 1:18:01
  I've certainly I'll say I have seen and touched a dolphin, but
• 1:18:06
  it did not start praising Jesus right in front of me.
• 1:18:10
  I mean, the, the flipper waving, the whole thing.
• 1:18:13
  I mean, that's just like a beautiful choir of creation.
• 1:18:17
  And there's, you know, I don't know a whole ton about dolphins.
• 1:18:21
  All I know is from what kind of the whatever the the popular
• 1:18:26
  culture has has I've just absorbed.
• 1:18:32
  But I do find it interesting that, I mean, obviously dolphins
• 1:18:36
  are hold a very special place in creation, you know, from even
• 1:18:42
  from literature, you know, the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
• 1:18:46
  where the dolphins are aliens and they've been protecting us,
• 1:18:51
  you know, for generations or whatever.
• 1:18:54
  The the kind of unreal connection that lots of people
• 1:18:58
  have claimed to have with these creatures.
• 1:19:02
  Their weird uncanny ability to sense like human emotion or, or
• 1:19:08
  even diseases, crazy stuff like that.
• 1:19:12
  I mean, sometimes it does make me wonder that if God created a
• 1:19:19
  sea mammal to have such a, I'll say, lubricated connection with
• 1:19:27
  human beings. Just like what?
• 1:19:30
  What's the plan here, God? What is the, what role does this
• 1:19:34
  creature play? You know these dogs.
• 1:19:37
  Beauty and power in this. I mean, Oh my gosh.
• 1:19:40
  Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's that is
• 1:19:42
  full on, I think. I think anybody would agree that
• 1:19:45
  that experience, you know, you could put that right up with
• 1:19:48
  like UFO sighting or something, some other sort of.
• 1:19:53
  It's an underwater dolphin craft.
• 1:19:56
  Yeah. And it was it was like, no,
• 1:19:58
  seriously, though. All right.
• 1:19:59
  Can I can I do something here? Yeah, Do it.
• 1:20:02
  So I texted you last night, Baz, And I was like, do you remember
• 1:20:05
  Echo the Dolphin from Sega Genesis?
• 1:20:07
  And you were like, yeah, I never played it.
• 1:20:09
  Yeah, I never played it, but I didn't.
• 1:20:11
  Tell him about like, you know that I wanted to bring up
• 1:20:13
  dolphins on this episode. I just literally asked a
• 1:20:15
  question, but I have pulled up on the screen here the Echo the
• 1:20:19
  come on people, take a ride with me.
• 1:20:20
  We're millennials. I had the Sega Genesis don't
• 1:20:22
  hate on me. If you were Nintendo Wii
• 1:20:25
  couldn't afford both. But I used to play Nintendo a
• 1:20:27
  lot at my friends houses. And when the first echo the
• 1:20:30
  dolphin Sega Genesis game comes out, I remember my dad and my
• 1:20:34
  uncle playing it and I was just happy to get the controller in
• 1:20:36
  my hands. Like when they went to take a
• 1:20:37
  break and just flipping up out of the water.
• 1:20:39
  I didn't even know what the game was about.
• 1:20:41
  You know what I mean? Like but I start looking at it
• 1:20:46
  and this dolphin is literally going through and dealing with
• 1:20:51
  stargates and portals and using frequency and vibration to to
• 1:20:55
  collect dimensional gems that are found in the lost ruins of
• 1:21:00
  Atlantis. Lining those up to synchronize
• 1:21:03
  with the dolphins echo format and opening up new veils and
• 1:21:07
  dimensions. And it's like this, it's like a
• 1:21:08
  sad story because he like loses his family and he's like, he's
• 1:21:13
  like being tortured with the reality that he has to go
• 1:21:15
  through all these like Aqua dimensions to try to like
• 1:21:18
  retrieve his family. And he's fighting like Medusa,
• 1:21:22
  crazy creatures. And like, I'm, I'm in my 30s,
• 1:21:25
  right? I mean, my birthday's actually
• 1:21:27
  what's today tomorrow. Oh my God, I'm going to be 30.
• 1:21:29
  Happy birthday. I've never said my age on air.
• 1:21:31
  I'm going to be 37 tomorrow, May 18th, my God.
• 1:21:35
  And so this game I I sat as a little kid and then looked up at
• 1:21:40
  the big TV to my young peeps, to my twins and all their friends
• 1:21:45
  who listen. You guys have no idea what these
• 1:21:47
  TV's were like, but they were big.
• 1:21:50
  And they were. Big as a car?
• 1:21:51
  Yeah, and they didn't have the greatest picture, but I sat for
• 1:21:54
  countless hours in the 90s and watched this game play.
• 1:21:59
  I have no idea what happened to my little mind.
• 1:22:01
  Like, what was I programmed with?
• 1:22:03
  You know, like watching a echo dolphin and crystals and that
• 1:22:07
  like the dolphin would spin and open a portal.
• 1:22:08
  Crazy stuff. But anyway.
• 1:22:09
  I mean, talk about predictive programming.
• 1:22:12
  Let's do it seriously. And but I never thought nothing
• 1:22:14
  of it until in these latter years.
• 1:22:17
  This is why I literally got slammed with this idea.
• 1:22:20
  Because even what happened with Aaron in North Carolina, I
• 1:22:24
  didn't think more of it than another intelligent creature is
• 1:22:28
  resonating with our righteous cry.
• 1:22:31
  And all of the sudden Rod starts surfing the Internet and seeing
• 1:22:37
  seeing all of this stuff. So I'm not going to continue to
• 1:22:39
  just kind of rant on on this Dolphin or the echo game from
• 1:22:42
  Psychogenesis because it's it's old news, but.
• 1:22:45
  Maybe they're trying to lead you to the stargate at the end of
• 1:22:49
  the point. Maybe that's what problem When
• 1:22:51
  they built the the wave break or whatever, they crushed an
• 1:22:56
  ancient portal and they need you to drive a drive an excavator
• 1:23:02
  out into the ocean. I mean, at least this is what
• 1:23:05
  you're going to tell the cops when you steal an excavator and
• 1:23:08
  drive it into the ocean. Yeah, we didn't.
• 1:23:10
  We didn't do anything wrong. Anybody out there listening?
• 1:23:13
  Don't The dolphins, the dolphins came to us.
• 1:23:16
  We didn't do anything wrong. But it's just a crazy, this
• 1:23:20
  crazy connection because I feel like in all the years I've been,
• 1:23:24
  I've been doing this, which isn't very long, but I've looked
• 1:23:28
  into enough stuff where I'm like, OK, maybe not too much
• 1:23:32
  other stuff is going to like disturb me or I'm not going to
• 1:23:34
  have a personal encounter with something that will trigger
• 1:23:37
  right. Like I, I've already dealt with
• 1:23:40
  the dream world of all of it. I've, I've seen some stuff with
• 1:23:43
  my own eyes that is hard to describe.
• 1:23:46
  Some of it I can talk about maybe on a different future
• 1:23:49
  recording. But the dolphin thing for me,
• 1:23:52
  it, it was a pleasant surprise. You know, it was just like God
• 1:23:56
  was kind of nudging me to like, there's so much more that we
• 1:23:59
  don't get the beauty of or the, the design behind that that he
• 1:24:03
  has yet for us to do great exploits.
• 1:24:06
  I will mention two pieces of scripture.
• 1:24:08
  And I'm going to give a shout out to Terry Allen, who sent me
• 1:24:12
  a little bit of this because on our Thursday night prayer call,
• 1:24:15
  I did bring up this story with Aaron.
• 1:24:17
  We're on a Mega Man radio. Shout out to him Shannon Davis
• 1:24:20
  in Bali, Indonesia. We we shared a broadcast.
• 1:24:23
  We hijacked his his show about a week ago and Aaron told the
• 1:24:27
  dolphin story. So like all of it's like been
• 1:24:29
  brewing right? So shout out to Terry.
• 1:24:31
  He sends over that. Dolphins are mentioned in the
• 1:24:34
  Bible in a few ways, primarily in the context of the Exodus
• 1:24:37
  story as part of God's creation. Specifically, Exodus 2614 refers
• 1:24:43
  to the use of takash the skins in the construction of the
• 1:24:47
  Tabernacle, and some interpretations suggest that
• 1:24:50
  this refers to dolphin skins. So just an interesting little
• 1:24:53
  thing there that we might be able to consider.
• 1:24:56
  Additionally, Daniel 379 includes dolphins in a list of
• 1:25:00
  creatures praising the Lord. And so when I did that digging
• 1:25:05
  in Daniel 379, it doesn't come up verbatim.
• 1:25:08
  I think this is where it gets into like the hermeneutical
• 1:25:10
  hygiene or the etymology of usage of words.
• 1:25:13
  So certain people are arguing that dolphin could easily be
• 1:25:16
  inserted in that creature list, but it doesn't show up in the
• 1:25:19
  English as dolphins. So you guys, you know, I'm, I
• 1:25:22
  just want to be transparent. I'm not trying to say or preach
• 1:25:25
  something new to anybody out here, but you take it for what
• 1:25:28
  it is. Eat the meat, spit out the
• 1:25:29
  bones, you guys. But there's some stuff going on
• 1:25:31
  here and, and I mean kind of reverting it back to the fact
• 1:25:34
  that dolphins do have bigger brains than humans and they have
• 1:25:38
  a pineal and they have the same left and right hemisphere as
• 1:25:41
  humans do. Their, their brain is a, is
• 1:25:43
  modeled very similar to ours. They're using intentionality
• 1:25:48
  echolocation, which means they're, they're communicating
• 1:25:51
  to their environment. Dolphins have names for each
• 1:25:53
  other. They're, they're highly
• 1:25:54
  sociable. So what?
• 1:25:56
  I'm not gonna go much more into it than that, but it's
• 1:25:59
  fascinating. And I don't even live close to
• 1:26:01
  the beach. I'm in southeastern PA.
• 1:26:03
  Like I have to go through Philadelphia to go to the beach,
• 1:26:06
  and that's not ideal. So I try to stay, stay safe in
• 1:26:10
  the woods. Yeah, well, that was your first.
• 1:26:12
  Flippy upper flipper flipper update.
• 1:26:15
  Look at that. Update the birth of.
• 1:26:17
  The legend? No, trust me, there is no time
• 1:26:20
  limit on flippy or flipper updates.
• 1:26:23
  Yeah, I'm going to say you're going to send me off on a a
• 1:26:27
  journey to go learn more about dolphins.
• 1:26:29
  I don't have a whole lot of, you know, cool things to add to what
• 1:26:34
  you've already put together here.
• 1:26:35
  I will say it was again in in yesterday's Canary Cry Clubhouse
• 1:26:41
  episode, the topic was Leviathan and Behemoth and Leviathan
• 1:26:46
  specifically, if I was going to connect any dots, there was some
• 1:26:51
  interesting, I mean, there's lots of interesting stuff about
• 1:26:54
  Leviathan as the giant chaos sea creature from, you know, from
• 1:26:59
  the dawn of creation. And one of the one of the
• 1:27:04
  verses, I think it was in Daniel that refers to Leviathan talks
• 1:27:11
  about it as like in a way to to illustrate God playing with
• 1:27:19
  Leviathan in the ocean. Like Leviathan is like a playful
• 1:27:23
  dragon sea monster creature that, you know, God kind of
• 1:27:28
  tosses around and plays with. Now, obviously, when it comes to
• 1:27:34
  the both the literal, the metaphorical, the mythological
• 1:27:39
  and the theographical, whatever all the versions that the, the
• 1:27:46
  different ways that the Old Testament is meant to be read,
• 1:27:50
  whatever it is, you know, a we get the point that God is bigger
• 1:27:56
  than this biggest, almost demigod like horror creature.
• 1:28:01
  But also there's sort of like this playfulness.
• 1:28:04
  There's some sort of there's, you know, there's some sort of
• 1:28:09
  relationship with this sea creature that is different than
• 1:28:15
  with the behemoth or different from any other animals.
• 1:28:18
  You know, the Bible doesn't talk about like God prancing around
• 1:28:21
  with lions in the jungle or something.
• 1:28:24
  And yet God was sort of bobbing around dancing and playing in
• 1:28:29
  the ocean with Leviathan. Now I'm not saying Leviathan was
• 1:28:33
  a giant flame throwing, flame breathing dolphin, but you know
• 1:28:39
  it's it's going to be a great question to ask once we get to
• 1:28:41
  the sweep by and by. So basically what you're saying,
• 1:28:46
  or what I'm going to say is that when the beast rises out of the
• 1:28:49
  sea that a giant dolphins going to come to feed it.
• 1:28:52
  It's possible. It's possible that God has some
• 1:28:55
  big plan for the Dolphins that we don't know yet.
• 1:28:59
  I think the whole point of this and the whole point of like just
• 1:29:02
  introducing the Flipper update is the fact that like we need to
• 1:29:06
  be intentional on asking questions.
• 1:29:09
  So the only thing that really sparked this whole conversation
• 1:29:13
  about dolphins would be like, OK, why can't they swim with
• 1:29:17
  them? OK, why can we not see them
• 1:29:18
  breed? Why can we not talk to them?
• 1:29:21
  That's news to me, you know, why can we only go to certain areas
• 1:29:24
  of Antarctica? Why can we not have the know
• 1:29:28
  about all the secrets in Freemasonry, right?
• 1:29:31
  Like all these things. What is a woman, right?
• 1:29:34
  I mean like we're using he, they, whatever.
• 1:29:38
  I just want to go ahead and take this moment to introduce a bill
• 1:29:45
  to label the three letter agencies that are responsible
• 1:29:49
  for all of this as we will refer to them as they them.
• 1:29:57
  That's very funny. Yeah.
• 1:29:58
  I can suck in that bill. That's good.
• 1:30:01
  I mean, it's it's just seems natural.
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  It's it's genetic, you know, they're they them.
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  It's how we it's how we discussed them.
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  That's great. So is they them in reference to
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  a chimera? Are they like, yes, it's
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  moleculated, I know it's yes. Many.
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  But like it's it works almost right.
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  Yes, and so many headed Hydra for sure.
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  Oh my gosh, that is crazy. All right, so I'm going to I'm
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  going to Spitfire 2 questions, one for Aaron, one for Basil and
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  just, you know, try to share your view on this, right?
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  So do you think that the Bible is to be taken literal?
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  And that's a big question, but but try to, you know, maybe
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  shorten concise. Do you think it's meant to be
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  taken literal? Yes and no.
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  I mean, like, like you just said, that's a, that's a tough
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  answer. You know that Jesus spoke in
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  parables. And my personal belief is that
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  Jesus spoke in such a way that you could only be led by the
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  Holy Spirit. I really understand because I
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  mean, why would Jesus and even like, you know, the followers of
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  Jesus, the writers of the Word, reveal all of their plans,
• 1:31:16
  especially from the beginning to the end, just for Satan to be
• 1:31:20
  able to counter that attack, right?
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  So it's all there. But the Bible, you know, as
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  we've said both on and off the air, is just a book with letters
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  in that you have to pray about it and you have to be led by the
• 1:31:35
  Holy Spirit to make those words come to life.
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  It is the living word. So yeah, I guess that's my
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  answer is yes and no. Always be intentional, literally
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  on being led by the Holy Spirit for sure.
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  Oh, that's great. Yeah, it's kind of interesting.
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  Like, I don't know, I, I don't have the art, the the words, I
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  don't really know how to articulate it.
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  So this will be a sloppy way to kind of respond to that.
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  First of all, I agree with what you're saying.
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  And then when I try to think about it more and deeper and
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  really try to articulate my thoughts, I'm like, dude, I
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  don't even know with where I am right now in the world in God,
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  I'm not even really sure like if literal is even like helpful, I
• 1:32:31
  guess too small of a word. Like almost like I can't.
• 1:32:36
  There's not a whole lot of difference between whatever
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  literal, metaphorical and especially when you're coming to
• 1:32:44
  the Bible. I mean, there's, there's it's, I
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  mean, even just from the start, it's meant to be read in many
• 1:32:51
  different ways. Sometimes it's supposed to be
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  sung, sometimes it's supposed to be, yeah, you know, parables
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  and, and all sorts of stuff. So that's that's quite obvious.
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  So at the same time, when I think like, well, yeah, I mean,
• 1:33:07
  the Bible is literal. But then in my head I'm like,
• 1:33:13
  the word literal kind of includes all the other thing.
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  Like just because it's a parable doesn't mean that it's not
• 1:33:21
  literal because I want to literally read the parable the
• 1:33:25
  way it's supposed to be read. Like reading the Bible in the
• 1:33:28
  way it's meant to be read in any way or sung or taught or felt or
• 1:33:34
  anything, like still kind of is literal.
• 1:33:37
  Maybe I spent too much time like considering like if we're in a
• 1:33:40
  simulation or like in the mind of God or like, you know, when
• 1:33:44
  you start going down the many layers of trying to understand
• 1:33:49
  exactly what quote UN quote reality even is or consists of
• 1:33:56
  kind of like, you know, is is something little literal or
• 1:34:01
  metaphorical has kind of stopped being like a super helpful
• 1:34:06
  distinction specifically to try to argue about, I guess because
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  I can already feel people out there.
• 1:34:14
  Oh my gosh, Basil doesn't think the Bible's literal.
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  I think it is. But to have an argument with
• 1:34:21
  somebody about whether Psalms is literal or if it's songs or if
• 1:34:27
  it's this or if it's that. I literally think that the Bible
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  is true in a truer sense than we even have a definition for true
• 1:34:36
  sort of transcendently literal or transcendently truth, you
• 1:34:42
  know, which may include sometimes that's an earth based
• 1:34:49
  mind might consider metaphorical.
• 1:34:52
  It's still true in a very literal sense.
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  So I'm, I'm happy to report that I haven't had to get in an
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  argument with somebody about that, although I do sometimes
• 1:35:05
  lay awake at night and remember getting into arguments with my
• 1:35:10
  atheist friends in middle school or like, strangely enough, my
• 1:35:15
  best friend's parents. I've had like, you know,
• 1:35:19
  conversations about the, the nature of the Bible and stuff.
• 1:35:23
  And I'm kind of like, Oh no, I don't even know how I'm going to
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  describe to anybody else. That, like, literal is not even
• 1:35:30
  a helpful term anymore. Jeez Louise.
• 1:35:35
  Oh, there's a baby. I like what I really like what
• 1:35:40
  both of you said and this is kind of the birth of these
• 1:35:44
  segments where I guess hermeneutical hygiene can be
• 1:35:48
  exercised in the very setting that we set us helpful, right?
• 1:35:52
  Like we're like, we're coming together and kind of like auto
• 1:35:54
  correcting and learning from each other.
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  And I thought about this and the, the reason I asked it is I,
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  I kind of had the idea that we would come to this place where
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  there's people out there that are asking that same question.
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  Well, with everything going on, is it literal?
• 1:36:09
  Did any of it happen? Does it even matter?
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  Is it all just metaphorical? Is it all meant to be, you know,
• 1:36:15
  layered into this matrix idea of our reality?
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  And the benefits only come from the word that's eternally
• 1:36:21
  settled in heaven because blah, right?
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  So the way that I look at it in agreement with you 2 is that
• 1:36:30
  it's literal until it can't be taken literal anymore.
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  And the literal Ness of the Bible is like this grounding
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  point of humility that there's certain things like, I guess we
• 1:36:40
  we couldn't argue, right? Archaeology, like like just them
• 1:36:43
  showing locationally. Or I mean, if you took the
• 1:36:48
  statement literal to love your neighbor and you actually did it
• 1:36:51
  and seen that it ends in this equation, whether they, they
• 1:36:54
  respond in love, like being, you know, fulfilling the law in that
• 1:36:59
  way. And it resonates with you.
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  You're like, oh, I can read that verbatim right off the top.
• 1:37:04
  And it means what it says and it says what it means.
• 1:37:06
  And then we get to, you know, the idea of Doctor Chuck Missler
• 1:37:10
  would say, well, there's 200 formats of speech in the Bible.
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  And I remember the first time I heard that.
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  And I'm like, well, did any of it even happen?
• 1:37:17
  This is before I knew it, like anything about minor locations,
• 1:37:22
  you know, in, in in Israel and you know, geography or locations
• 1:37:27
  or archaeology are what they're able to prove now, which I which
• 1:37:30
  I think is the conversation now lends to it being so multi
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  layered, like you said, Basil, and it's so grand that defining
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  the beginning of this conversation is helpful for
• 1:37:44
  someone out there listening. But it also shows us that we've
• 1:37:47
  come so far from like maybe that first, you know, frog in your
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  throat when you thought of when you when you questioned the
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  idea, like, can I take any of this serious?
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  And so a bit of reflection in it really does help for me
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  personally. And I think it's meant to be
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  taken literal until it can't be. And I think much of it can't be
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  taken as in like tangible, just hold it up right in front of you
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  because a lot of it, it's going to require faith and belief and
• 1:38:16
  childlike adventure and curiosity.
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  So. You know there's.
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  That's helpful for somebody out there who's listening, who's
• 1:38:22
  like, yeah, you know what? I kind of needed that critique
• 1:38:24
  on that idea. Yeah.
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  And somebody who wants to get even weirder, you know, I would
• 1:38:29
  say even the discussion, the fact that it's an ongoing debate
• 1:38:34
  about the literalness of the Bible.
• 1:38:36
  Who is debating that? It's people who want to draw you
• 1:38:40
  away from faith. There's people who want to draw
• 1:38:43
  you away from God. Like that's why the conversation
• 1:38:47
  even really exists and really matters.
• 1:38:50
  It's because you know, getting maybe it's helpful for somebody
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  and if it's helpful, helpful for them, I encourage them to
• 1:39:00
  continue, you know, down that path.
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  I will say to get locked in the the literal or not literal
• 1:39:09
  debate is kind of it feels like a little bit of a trap in that
• 1:39:13
  it's only the debate only exists because somebody wants to take
• 1:39:18
  away from the Bible. They want to take away from the
• 1:39:20
  word of God. They want to take away a
• 1:39:22
  credibility. They want to take away, you
• 1:39:25
  know, the any sense in even reading it at all.
• 1:39:29
  It's playing the world's game a little bit to get stuck in the
• 1:39:35
  is it literal? Is it not you're you're playing
• 1:39:38
  the game that somebody invented to try to discredit the logos,
• 1:39:43
  the word of God. And you know, I'm sure there's
• 1:39:48
  that there's lots of times when that's helped somebody and I'm
• 1:39:51
  sure that that's a big part of somebody's you know thing and
• 1:39:54
  that's great. However, we don't even know.
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  Like we don't what is literal when we don't even know what
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  real is, what reality is every like, OK, what is real?
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  Well, I can touch it. OK, well you actually don't
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  touch anything because 99% of every atom is empty space and
• 1:40:14
  atoms never touch each other. Why don't they touch each other?
• 1:40:18
  We don't know because there's a force that just doesn't let them
• 1:40:22
  touch each other. Well, what do you mean?
• 1:40:24
  Does this force bounce up against each other?
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  We don't know. It's literally just a piece of
• 1:40:28
  code that says. Says atoms don't touch each
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  other. OK, So what we consider real in
• 1:40:35
  my hand to this controller is basically 99% space, and I'm
• 1:40:39
  really just holding a piece of code that is meant to not merge
• 1:40:44
  with my hands and become a piece of me.
• 1:40:47
  All right, Well, if that's literal, then I don't it's
• 1:40:51
  pretty. I'm not sure what literal even
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  means anymore. You know, if something is
• 1:40:55
  literal or physical or whatever. And don't even get me started
• 1:40:59
  on, you know, the past or the future or the the.
• 1:41:04
  Time. Time at all?
• 1:41:05
  Like what even is time? Well, it's a measurable what is
• 1:41:09
  movement? OK, so well let's let's look at
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  this. This is a super interesting
• 1:41:15
  thread to go on. You know the whole idea, like
• 1:41:18
  you said, with the space in between the spaces, right?
• 1:41:22
  So when we look at it through the microscope, right, the like
• 1:41:25
  the what is it called? Doctor Chuck used to talk about
• 1:41:29
  the cutting a piece of string and continue to cut that half's
• 1:41:33
  half all the way down to what loses a property called locality
• 1:41:37
  and it just becomes everywhere at once.
• 1:41:39
  It's plasma and it's like, OK, well, that's interesting.
• 1:41:41
  And then I don't know, for some reason I'm, I'm thinking about
• 1:41:45
  the lectins and the gut that are responsible for covering the
• 1:41:49
  blood brain barrier. They're, they're like, they call
• 1:41:51
  it the hunger hormone. So depending on like parasitic
• 1:41:55
  or, or good bacteria in your gut, it, it can take over your
• 1:41:59
  brain. It's literally the only thing
• 1:42:01
  that can cover that barrier and communicate.
• 1:42:03
  That's why we call the gut the second brain.
• 1:42:04
  And I'm like, so you need to tell me there's like microscopic
• 1:42:08
  parasitic activity that if you have enough of them in this tiny
• 1:42:12
  little space that that we have trouble measuring that they're
• 1:42:16
  able to communicate with your brain and cause you to be
• 1:42:20
  actionary or desire something. I'm like, OK, so it just gets
• 1:42:24
  weirder and weirder. And what are your guys thoughts
• 1:42:27
  on the idea of those micro cosmic spaces being inhabited by
• 1:42:34
  spiritual entities or having some type of quantum effect with
• 1:42:39
  spiritual things? I mean, it's a big question, but
• 1:42:43
  let's try to ride the wave of like, are there multiple pieces
• 1:42:46
  that kind of fit in and and make sense when we start to go?
• 1:42:49
  A demon doesn't have to be, you know, 5 foot 10 or a Nephilim
• 1:42:55
  disembodied spirit or whatever you want to call it, doesn't
• 1:42:58
  have to be the representation of what they may have literally
• 1:43:01
  been according to the Bible's dimensions.
• 1:43:04
  They can work in these tiny little spaces.
• 1:43:09
  Thoughts. Well, the Bible says that like,
• 1:43:12
  we're not just a body, we're mind, body and spirit, right?
• 1:43:17
  And then I also wanted to like, you know, just kind of go back
• 1:43:20
  real quick and I will answer your question, or at least I'll
• 1:43:22
  try to, you know, there's nothing new under the sun,
• 1:43:26
  right? So as you were talking about the
• 1:43:27
  gut being the second brain, you know, there's a term that I
• 1:43:32
  think we've all used before and heard that, you know, trust your
• 1:43:35
  gut. Where did that come from?
• 1:43:39
  You know, so the fact that we operate in the mind, body and
• 1:43:44
  spirit, I mean, like, how can we even fathom if we don't know, as
• 1:43:47
  Basil was saying, like we don't know.
• 1:43:49
  We don't know. I'm going to just go back as
• 1:43:53
  Michael Basham would say, you know, go back to the word
• 1:43:55
  because all the answers are there.
• 1:43:57
  And like being led by the spirit.
• 1:43:58
  I mean, like, I think that we're created in such a way that like,
• 1:44:01
  you know, knowledge, right? We wanted to eat from the tree.
• 1:44:03
  We wanted to be as gods. We want to know more, and I
• 1:44:07
  think we need to be not necessarily complacent, but
• 1:44:11
  like, OK, and trust that God has everything.
• 1:44:14
  And we don't necessarily need to understand everything.
• 1:44:17
  We see. The enemy wants to know
• 1:44:19
  everything. It's a technological war.
• 1:44:21
  It's a knowledge war, right? And they only feed us certain
• 1:44:26
  amounts of information. But like, you know, being led by
• 1:44:28
  the Spirit, we know a lot more than they do, you know, no
• 1:44:32
  different than like, you know, the power of tongs.
• 1:44:34
  And I did want to, you know, be I'll give it to you, Basil,
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  because I'm sure you probably have a lot better answer than I
• 1:44:39
  do. But like, as Rod had his baby on
• 1:44:43
  air, it kind of just sparked something in me.
• 1:44:46
  And this is just kind of a weird thought, you know, me being a
• 1:44:49
  new dad, you know, I watched Boss baby not that long ago.
• 1:44:52
  And again, that whole theme of nothing new under the sun, you
• 1:44:56
  know, we go back to like the Tower of Babel and dividing of
• 1:44:58
  languages. I had this weird thought that, I
• 1:45:01
  don't know, maybe if you guys want to chew on it for a while
• 1:45:03
  and we can get back to each other.
• 1:45:06
  Sometimes, like when I look at my daughter, it seems like she
• 1:45:10
  knows a lot more than I do and she kind of babbles, right?
• 1:45:16
  Is she speaking in tongues, you know, and I just can't really
• 1:45:19
  understand her. Does she know a lot more?
• 1:45:21
  Is there no different than in the movie Boss Baby, where they
• 1:45:24
  they reach a certain point in their development where it's
• 1:45:28
  like, OK, I'm finally in the world, you know, I finally have
• 1:45:31
  my new language, you know what I mean?
• 1:45:35
  I don't know. Something to think about I
• 1:45:36
  guess. Yeah, no, yeah.
• 1:45:39
  I mean, honestly, I don't know if I'm just kind of stuck on the
• 1:45:42
  literal thing again, but you know, we're talking about how
• 1:45:48
  and put me back on track if I'm a little off track where, you
• 1:45:52
  know, we we started talking about the the atoms in the empty
• 1:45:56
  space and what is literal and is spirit.
• 1:45:59
  You know, what exists between those empty spaces.
• 1:46:03
  And you know what if we are trying to conceive of spirit
• 1:46:10
  versus well, they would say reality, but I would say I don't
• 1:46:15
  think there's a different, there's there's nothing
• 1:46:17
  separating spirit from reality. You know, everything is
• 1:46:21
  essentially spiritual. And that is not to say, as I'm
• 1:46:24
  sure somebody cringed out there, that is not to say that
• 1:46:27
  everything is sacred. Just because everything is
• 1:46:30
  spiritual has spiritual reality and spiritual consequence
• 1:46:33
  doesn't mean everything is holy. That's a thing to distinguish
• 1:46:40
  when you know, treading the sidelines of the, you know, I
• 1:46:47
  don't know the secular search for for spirituality versus, you
• 1:46:55
  know, what we've been given in the word of God.
• 1:46:58
  And so a yeah, I'm pretty sure your baby's speaking in tongues
• 1:47:06
  for sure. I don't know why there wouldn't
• 1:47:07
  be. I mean, the, the it's quite
• 1:47:13
  clear even from experience and even from biblical study that,
• 1:47:18
  you know, the Holy Spirit is with children.
• 1:47:21
  The Holy Spirit loves children so much that God's telling us to
• 1:47:26
  be like children. Jesus is insisting that we've
• 1:47:30
  messed up the the state of Adam before the fall was like
• 1:47:36
  children. It was only after the the the
• 1:47:43
  self consciousness of well, eating of the tree of the
• 1:47:49
  knowledge of fruit of evil to maturing in that way in, you
• 1:47:54
  know, you can easily see as any parent would.
• 1:47:57
  I'm not a parent, but I know a lot of parents and I agree with
• 1:47:59
  that them on this. And it's sort of stereotypical
• 1:48:02
  to you know, sometimes you wish they could just stay little
• 1:48:04
  babies forever. You just wish that they could
• 1:48:07
  stay innocent and cute and you can have all the fun days all
• 1:48:12
  the time. But then something happens and
• 1:48:16
  when Adam and Eve, you know, reached the state of the
• 1:48:21
  knowledge of good and evil, they found themselves self-conscious,
• 1:48:25
  suddenly self-centered, self obsessed, and they were ashamed
• 1:48:30
  or shame, felt shame about it and felt guilty and, you know,
• 1:48:35
  realized that they had things to hide and stuff like that.
• 1:48:39
  Much like where before they were effortly effortless with God,
• 1:48:44
  effortlessly walking with God, effortlessly talking with God,
• 1:48:49
  who knows if they even spoke a language.
• 1:48:52
  Maybe the whole time they were just blah blah, blahing like a
• 1:48:56
  baby. You know, it's interesting that
• 1:48:58
  God that Adam's job was to sort of devise language.
• 1:49:03
  You know, that was part of his his process that started when he
• 1:49:07
  was created was to then figure out what to call things where
• 1:49:12
  before that it had to have just been some heavenly language.
• 1:49:17
  How did God and Adam talk? We don't really know.
• 1:49:19
  Could have been pure utterance of the Holy Spirit.
• 1:49:22
  It's possible. I get these are kind of funky
• 1:49:24
  things to kind of explore and I'm not talking hard theology
• 1:49:29
  here. We're just having some fun.
• 1:49:32
  And so everything is spiritual in that it has spiritual
• 1:49:35
  consequence. And one thing that's sort of
• 1:49:41
  recently been getting a lot of traction, which makes total
• 1:49:44
  sense to me. And perhaps it's because I
• 1:49:48
  sometimes exist in a pre false state in my imagination about,
• 1:49:54
  you know, what things could be. But it's recently picking up
• 1:49:58
  more steam. I'm just grabbing it from
• 1:50:01
  Popular Mechanics here. So take that for what you will.
• 1:50:04
  It's like the tabloids of science, but says every single
• 1:50:08
  cell in your body could be conscious.
• 1:50:10
  Scientists say that could rewrite everything we know about
• 1:50:13
  human evolution so you can see the narrative being guided in
• 1:50:18
  that direction in the 1st place. But, you know, have you ever
• 1:50:21
  watched cells or bacteria or reproductive cells under a
• 1:50:27
  microscope or seeing this footage?
• 1:50:30
  You go, OK, let's just take, let's just say that those are
• 1:50:33
  just machines. You know, the assumption is not
• 1:50:35
  that that little thing swimming around is like has some sort of
• 1:50:39
  goal or like knows what it's doing or whatever.
• 1:50:44
  The idea is that it's sort of like an automaton that it's just
• 1:50:47
  following software instructions and, and but then you watch it
• 1:50:53
  and you're like, those little guys are on a mission.
• 1:50:56
  Those little guys kind of know what's going on.
• 1:50:59
  You know, I mean, the obvious, the obvious one comes to mind
• 1:51:02
  there. But you can also think of like,
• 1:51:05
  you look at what was it these even Like I think it's RNA or
• 1:51:11
  mRNA or some little piece of DNA.
• 1:51:15
  This was something that we looked a lot into, of course, in
• 1:51:18
  recent times. And you look at these things
• 1:51:20
  under a microscope and there's like a little worm, and it's a
• 1:51:24
  little worm like inching up and down, crawling.
• 1:51:28
  Up and down mechanical movement. Yeah.
• 1:51:30
  And it's going around, it's sniffing.
• 1:51:33
  It like goes up, it kind of sniffs around again, then it
• 1:51:36
  goes back and then it kind of makes a change and whatever.
• 1:51:39
  It's like a little maintenance guy on your DNA.
• 1:51:43
  Yes. And you look at that and you go,
• 1:51:45
  OK, well, if that's some sort of mindless automaton and you go,
• 1:51:50
  okay, well, how does it know to where to go?
• 1:51:53
  Well, there's a chemical signal. It gets a chemical.
• 1:51:56
  And so then it walks up and down the DNA and then it gets another
• 1:52:00
  chemical. It's like, bro, that's what we
• 1:52:03
  do. We get, we eat a cheeseburger
• 1:52:07
  and then we go to work and then we're at work for a while and
• 1:52:11
  then we eat another cheeseburger and then we go do what we're
• 1:52:14
  going to do. So now you know, the word
• 1:52:17
  consciousness is loaded because that's, you know, I don't think
• 1:52:21
  they're suggesting that every cell in your body has a brain
• 1:52:25
  and feels love and has dreams that it wants to accomplish or
• 1:52:31
  whatever. But if dolphins can swim up to
• 1:52:38
  the beach and join some humans in praising Jesus, how is that
• 1:52:46
  much different than some cells in your body living their life?
• 1:52:52
  Perhaps they have an instinct to crawl up and down your DNA and
• 1:52:56
  make changes. But they're making choices.
• 1:52:59
  You're watching them make choices.
• 1:53:02
  You will, you look at bacteria underneath the microscope and we
• 1:53:06
  all kind of have a vision of just like some cells sitting
• 1:53:09
  there. But then you see guys like
• 1:53:12
  swimming around, seeking out food, finding a piece of food,
• 1:53:17
  eating the food, bumping up against another bacteria and
• 1:53:21
  swimming around it. It's like, OK, we could think of
• 1:53:24
  them maybe as like Amazon warehouse robots who are moving,
• 1:53:29
  you know, packages around or something.
• 1:53:31
  Or if it's anything like any of other God's creations, it has
• 1:53:40
  some sort of motivation that it is acting on.
• 1:53:47
  So you get down to these very smallest things.
• 1:53:50
  Do I think bacteria have a soul that will be LED into heaven?
• 1:53:54
  I don't really know. I know we allegedly have a
• 1:53:57
  trillion cells in our body that are, you know, working together
• 1:54:03
  to make us work. Will our new glorified bodies,
• 1:54:09
  you know, in the sweet by and by will those have a trillion cells
• 1:54:14
  that are swimming around? What is going to be the nature
• 1:54:17
  of that? And then we get into the
• 1:54:18
  question of, you know, back to physical versus spiritual.
• 1:54:23
  And I was recently listening to. Oh, our buddy Tim Alberino has
• 1:54:29
  been getting everywhere lately, very impressed If he was
• 1:54:32
  recently on Tim Poole and he's on the real Tim Pool, real Tim
• 1:54:38
  Pool, The real Tim. Yeah, The, the, the beanie boy,
• 1:54:44
  Tim Pool. Yeah, the real Tim Pool.
• 1:54:46
  He had Tim Albarino on. And they're talking about all
• 1:54:50
  sorts of stuff. And of course, it's Tim.
• 1:54:52
  So inevitably the the conversation of aliens and
• 1:54:55
  Nephilim and stuff like that come up.
• 1:54:56
  And there was another gal on the show.
• 1:54:59
  I don't know who she is, but she was.
• 1:55:02
  They start talking about Nephilim, and Tim is like, wow,
• 1:55:05
  Nephilim like the mix of angels and humans.
• 1:55:08
  Is that actually in the Bible? And Tim goes, yeah, it's in the
• 1:55:11
  Bible. It's in Genesis, It's in Enoch.
• 1:55:13
  And Tim goes, no, Does it actually say that angels made
• 1:55:19
  babies with women? And he goes, yeah, yeah, it's in
• 1:55:22
  Genesis 6. It says right here, the sons of
• 1:55:25
  God came down, made him with the blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:55:27
  And Bane Dephilim goes, whoa. And then the gal chimes in and
• 1:55:32
  she says, well, how could angels do that?
• 1:55:35
  Because they don't have a body, because they're spiritual.
• 1:55:39
  They're spiritual beings. And in this broad vernacular,
• 1:55:45
  and I used Tim Pool as kind of an example of alternative media,
• 1:55:52
  but still basically secular media.
• 1:55:55
  Not not, you know, they haven't had a whole lot of Bible
• 1:55:59
  scholars and don't spend a lot of time trying to parse the
• 1:56:02
  differences between our angels manifest in a physical form or
• 1:56:06
  not. Right.
• 1:56:07
  So, so this gal goes, you know, well, angels don't have bodies.
• 1:56:11
  How could they make with with women?
• 1:56:13
  And so they have the conversation about, well,
• 1:56:16
  actually, as far as the Bible's concerned, angels have had
• 1:56:20
  bodies plenty of times. This, this, this line between
• 1:56:25
  physical and quote spiritual, where in the common secular or
• 1:56:30
  even just alternative vernacular, spiritual inherently
• 1:56:34
  means invisible. If you say spiritual, you're
• 1:56:39
  saying you can't see, touch, taste or smell it.
• 1:56:42
  You know, that's really the definition that they're working
• 1:56:45
  with. Whereas biblically angels, the
• 1:56:49
  quintessential spiritual beings are often take physical form in
• 1:56:55
  our reality. Well, what does that tell us?
• 1:56:57
  It tells us that the separation the difference between physical
• 1:57:02
  and quote spiritual is a infinitely less differentiated
• 1:57:11
  than the sort of common way of talking about it.
• 1:57:14
  And I think that's where I think, you know, at least in
• 1:57:17
  broader culture, this is starting to be talked about a
• 1:57:20
  lot more because of the alien stuff and the this.
• 1:57:23
  And of course, Christianity is having a resurgence right now
• 1:57:27
  thanks to Gen. Z.
• 1:57:30
  And, you know, it is one of these things that you kind of
• 1:57:32
  got to talk about on on the the sideline, the side of the court
• 1:57:35
  a little bit because it's still, you know, like a lot of things,
• 1:57:41
  the sort of new age movement made touching on some topics a
• 1:57:46
  little bit sensitive for people. So but you go back to the Bible,
• 1:57:51
  there is significantly less distance between quote UN quote
• 1:57:56
  spiritual and physical or whatever material reality and
• 1:58:02
  spiritual reality. So much like I'm having a big
• 1:58:06
  problem these days differentiating well between
• 1:58:10
  literal and not literal. I mean, if it's true, it's
• 1:58:14
  literal. If it is, it's literal God.
• 1:58:17
  You know, God didn't just make everything.
• 1:58:19
  He's the reason being exists, why being can be, why anything
• 1:58:25
  is instead of is not. And unfortunately, you know, a
• 1:58:29
  lot of the new age kind of came to this conclusion in modern
• 1:58:33
  times earlier than a lot of Christians.
• 1:58:36
  Now I'll say you go back far enough to sort of the desert
• 1:58:39
  fathers, the early Christians. This was just common knowledge.
• 1:58:42
  And somewhere along the line, you know, I, I love American
• 1:58:46
  evangelicalism, I love Protestantism.
• 1:58:49
  I owe everything I have to Protestantism and American
• 1:58:53
  evangelicalism. But it really is a very new set
• 1:58:58
  of assumptions. I wouldn't even really say
• 1:59:00
  theology or beliefs or anything. There is a set of assumptions in
• 1:59:05
  American evangelical Protestantism that is really
• 1:59:10
  descendant from the Enlightenment period.
• 1:59:15
  American evangelicalism is really like 100, maybe 150 kind
• 1:59:20
  of years old. It's an incredibly new model
• 1:59:25
  that sort of dictates the, you know, most people's default
• 1:59:30
  understanding of spirituality in America.
• 1:59:34
  However, thankfully, more and more and more people are not
• 1:59:40
  only coming to be interested in what the Bible has to say, but
• 1:59:45
  also spending much more time actually thinking and exploring
• 1:59:50
  and stuff like that. And I think we're going to see
• 1:59:52
  with this new generation of Gen. Z Christians, while while they
• 1:59:57
  are going to be significantly more traditional than the
• 2:00:00
  current American evangelical Protestant movement, you know,
• 2:00:04
  mega churches, progressivism in the church, this kind of stuffs
• 2:00:08
  where the. The Protestants kind of tried to
• 2:00:11
  keep up with secularism rather than the other way around.
• 2:00:15
  While they will be more traditional, I think value
• 2:00:19
  virtue, and however have the same struggles the rest of us
• 2:00:22
  have. I think this broad understanding
• 2:00:26
  of what is physical, what is spiritual, what is literal and
• 2:00:29
  what is literal and what is literal and what is literal and
• 2:00:32
  what is spiritual and physical. You know where I feel us coming
• 2:00:36
  to a place where, again, we were not stuck playing the skeptics
• 2:00:42
  game, playing the game of the professional scientists, the
• 2:00:47
  priests of science, the the quote literalists, the
• 2:00:51
  materialists. Much of our conversation is
• 2:00:54
  dictated by that realm of thought, by the system that
• 2:01:00
  wants us to worship experts with degrees, worship, you know,
• 2:01:06
  members of of an NGO or scientific community.
• 2:01:11
  The guy on TV, whatever he says is true.
• 2:01:15
  That's where that's the way we go.
• 2:01:16
  And it's those guys, it's the Fauci's on TV who are forcing
• 2:01:20
  the conversation into, well, angels can't be physical.
• 2:01:27
  Well, either they're either physical or they're spiritual.
• 2:01:30
  Which is it? Are they, are they invisible
• 2:01:32
  ghost beings or are they physical?
• 2:01:34
  Because if they're physical, then they're just people.
• 2:01:36
  You know, we're playing their game and I'm done playing their
• 2:01:39
  game. I'm done kind of being, being
• 2:01:42
  scared. You know, I mean, things are
• 2:01:45
  weird enough as they are. And I think, you know, God is
• 2:01:48
  really, I think that's going to be part of the next year is the
• 2:01:53
  I think the spirit around these conversations is going to be
• 2:01:57
  going in a much different direction.
• 2:02:00
  Yeah, wow, That's really well said.
• 2:02:04
  I guess you could say there there's a bit of that
• 2:02:08
  responsibility within, you know, the millennial, the elder
• 2:02:11
  millennial generation to not only be ready to at any point in
• 2:02:17
  time give a good answer for what we believe, but even be
• 2:02:20
  challenged at what the Bible calls us to do.
• 2:02:24
  That this younger generation may do better, you know, and it's
• 2:02:28
  going to require some humility, but they're also not going to
• 2:02:31
  have experience. Like it takes me to this idea
• 2:02:34
  where if you were to base only what you consider to be true in
• 2:02:42
  the Bible based on your personalized experience, how
• 2:02:46
  much of it would measure up with totality to the text?
• 2:02:49
  You know what I mean? And it's like, well, wouldn't
• 2:02:52
  that be an interesting concept? Like did you have an angelic
• 2:02:55
  experience? Because if you didn't, they're
• 2:02:57
  not literal beings that appeared in front of you in your time
• 2:03:00
  space dimension. I was like, oh wow, that could
• 2:03:03
  challenge a lot of people that talk about this that maybe
• 2:03:06
  haven't had that upfront, like face to face, eye to eye
• 2:03:10
  encounter was something that they couldn't explain.
• 2:03:12
  And I think that's an interesting idea that there's a
• 2:03:16
  generation of people coming in that are going to have more of
• 2:03:19
  that religious form because me and Aaron looked statistically
• 2:03:22
  and the reason I work with behind the scenes and on air,
• 2:03:25
  you know, organizations that prevent child suicide, suicide
• 2:03:30
  prevention from accident in the Philippines all the way to the,
• 2:03:34
  you know, doctor Natalie Atwell, for example, being one.
• 2:03:36
  There's many others, but is because it's a it's a real
• 2:03:39
  problem. We looked up statistically how
• 2:03:41
  many young people were committing suicide and I was
• 2:03:44
  blown away to find out it's 13 to 21 years old.
• 2:03:47
  And I'm like, my God, like, talk about not looking out for your
• 2:03:51
  little brother. Like just because I'm 36 doesn't
• 2:03:53
  mean I should be in any way not completely on on my radar.
• 2:04:01
  The condition of those who are younger than me.
• 2:04:04
  I was like, man, like, so this is there's a lot here.
• 2:04:07
  God. Now it requires a body like
• 2:04:10
  dude, we nobody can can't even start to tackle this thing
• 2:04:15
  unless we have Ecclesia, unless we have, you know, willing
• 2:04:19
  participants, all decks on hand and in love.
• 2:04:22
  But it's so back to like this kind of lane or idea for another
• 2:04:28
  moment of if we were to testify to what we consider to be
• 2:04:34
  truthful about the Bible based on personal experience, like
• 2:04:37
  literally you as a listener out there.
• 2:04:39
  I want you to like think about that.
• 2:04:42
  If you've had a ton of supernatural encounters, good or
• 2:04:45
  bad, you know, does that mean your your story, your testimony,
• 2:04:50
  your truth is any more real than somebody who maybe only
• 2:04:53
  experiences just love and peace? Who says man, I I know God
• 2:04:57
  because I feel the love of God and I've tried the pill, I've
• 2:05:00
  tried the bottle, I've tried the world, I've tried the doctors,
• 2:05:03
  I've tried the counseling. It doesn't work, but I feel
• 2:05:06
  right. And it's like this could be a
• 2:05:08
  really interesting thing to ponder even like on like like a
• 2:05:10
  miniseries in the future that kind of bite sized chunks, some
• 2:05:13
  of this material. Not only is it going to help us
• 2:05:16
  as elder brothers to to this younger generation that's trying
• 2:05:20
  to figure out, like you guys throw us to the wolves with
• 2:05:23
  COVID, with secularism, with going with the flow, systematic
• 2:05:27
  desensitization. We've been frequently based
• 2:05:29
  attacked, right? Culturally attacked,
• 2:05:31
  subliminally attacked, LED astray.
• 2:05:34
  A lot of the times, like the millennials, in my opinion, we
• 2:05:36
  were just trying to survive like the onslaught of what came.
• 2:05:39
  It was really hard to look out for other people.
• 2:05:42
  But I think God's putting it on specifically the ministry that
• 2:05:45
  he's given me our heart to be like, no, we want to encompass
• 2:05:47
  all of it. We're not going to be selective.
• 2:05:49
  We're not going to judge you based on denomination.
• 2:05:52
  We're not going to argue points of like whatever eschatology,
• 2:05:56
  like it, it's going to be, OK, let's get these certain things
• 2:06:01
  right. And and so this is a golden
• 2:06:03
  opportunity for three podcasters to like be, you know, two hours
• 2:06:08
  into this and really getting into like what I would consider
• 2:06:11
  to be the crux of the issue experientially to the time slot
• 2:06:15
  that we're experiencing with what we've been given right now.
• 2:06:19
  Like we're starting to get to the meat of it in the most
• 2:06:23
  beautiful way in my opinion. Yeah, you know, the Bible says
• 2:06:28
  that we entertain angels unawares.
• 2:06:30
  That's a good one. I mean, like that could that be
• 2:06:34
  spiritually, could that be physically?
• 2:06:35
  Could it be both? I mean, like, I mean, like, why
• 2:06:38
  are we limiting? It seems that we live in a world
• 2:06:40
  that like really wants to limit, you know, the functionality and
• 2:06:44
  the capability of our creator God and we limit him into our
• 2:06:50
  own understanding. So again, I think this is human
• 2:06:54
  nature and I think this probably happened, you know, at the fall,
• 2:06:57
  you know, in the garden. And I just want to say as we
• 2:07:01
  kind of wind down that, you know, we talked about failing
• 2:07:05
  forward quite a bit. No, no different than what Rod
• 2:07:08
  says, that we all get something a little bit wrong and a little
• 2:07:11
  bit something right, you know, but also trying to create a new
• 2:07:14
  standard. And hopefully for the listeners,
• 2:07:17
  I think this is the perfect example and representation of
• 2:07:21
  taking a deeper dive, having somebody like Basil from Canary
• 2:07:25
  Cry Radio and Canary Cry News Talk.
• 2:07:27
  I mean, yeah, we we used him. We used him to go on these rants
• 2:07:32
  because he's somebody that serves as a really, really good
• 2:07:35
  example on breaking things down and getting down to the meat.
• 2:07:39
  And just like, you know, not exploring the million mixed
• 2:07:45
  messages, but focusing on one topic, praying about it, really
• 2:07:49
  trying to understand it and breaking it down, you know.
• 2:07:52
  So Basil, I just want to say thank you, man.
• 2:07:54
  I I could hear you talk for hours a day.
• 2:07:57
  Oh, wait, I do. It's called Canary Cries News
• 2:07:59
  Talk. So.
• 2:08:01
  I'm very grateful for that brother.
• 2:08:03
  Oh, well, thank you, man. I really appreciate that.
• 2:08:06
  Yeah, you guys can bring me on, use me to fill airtime whenever
• 2:08:10
  you want. There's really a wonderful
• 2:08:11
  opportunity you guys have here, and you're both extremely
• 2:08:14
  thoughtful and also patient. So thank you.
• 2:08:18
  Thank you for that. Yeah, I, I just want to once
• 2:08:23
  again, the first time Basil, you came on, it was like early one
• 2:08:26
  hundreds, you know, and we had this like crazy long kind of
• 2:08:31
  harmonious conversation. I got to hear about the magical
• 2:08:34
  tooth that grew, you know, just like all this cool stuff, man,
• 2:08:38
  and really got to explore, you know, the questions that that I
• 2:08:42
  have wondered over the years, like, man, what I want to ask
• 2:08:45
  Basil this and highlighting the clubhouses that you're doing
• 2:08:49
  during the week. I think that's super awesome for
• 2:08:51
  the Millennium Mustard Seed listeners who are unaware of
• 2:08:54
  what you're doing to go and pop in and say hi and ask some
• 2:08:58
  questions and get engaged with that because I have nothing but
• 2:09:02
  private and public compliments for that.
• 2:09:04
  That's one thing that I try to like exercise as a man.
• 2:09:07
  If I'm going to praise you on private, I'll praise you in
• 2:09:10
  public. Like I'm not going to separate
• 2:09:12
  those two. And you guys, you and guns
• 2:09:15
  specifically, and you've heard this.
• 2:09:18
  And I'm not saying this to puff you up, man.
• 2:09:19
  I'm saying this because what more of an opportunity than the
• 2:09:23
  present opportunity to to once again say, man, I've stood on
• 2:09:28
  your shoulders. I've seen the work that you guys
• 2:09:32
  have put into it as just a guy from the distance looking.
• 2:09:35
  And I really never thought that I would be somebody with a show
• 2:09:39
  engaging with you and in collaborating and talking with
• 2:09:43
  you and getting to know you. And it comes with humility.
• 2:09:46
  And it also comes with like this confidence of my God, like you
• 2:09:52
  can cover the chasm for us, Lord, you can lead us by the
• 2:09:56
  power of your spirit into places that were not imaginative prior.
• 2:10:02
  You can open doors that nobody else can close.
• 2:10:05
  And this is just the beginning. So in humility, man, I just want
• 2:10:08
  to honor you and just bless you and just say everybody on the
• 2:10:11
  MMS leave that five star rating and written review if you're
• 2:10:16
  able to on Canary Cry Radio and Canary Cry News talk.
• 2:10:20
  Because these guys have blazed a trail.
• 2:10:22
  They've went into places that have been uncomfortable before.
• 2:10:25
  It was cool to have these conversations.
• 2:10:27
  They have opened the door to humility and and willing to
• 2:10:31
  help. If if it only reached one
• 2:10:33
  person, I'm one person here we are the millennial mustard seed.
• 2:10:38
  Whoever would have thought that we'd even be more than 30
• 2:10:40
  downloads a week, like whoever would have thought we'd reach
• 2:10:43
  Aaron and then Aaron, like Aaron's life would change and
• 2:10:46
  now he's a part of the team, man.
• 2:10:49
  So I'm one person, Basil, and through one person you've
• 2:10:53
  reached a lot more. So it's the highest honor I can
• 2:10:57
  give you is beating up the microphone and spitting on my
• 2:11:00
  computer screen at the end of this episode with my excitement
• 2:11:03
  about just being being able to call you.
• 2:11:05
  But eternal best buddy, Basil. So really appreciate your time,
• 2:11:08
  man. And Baz, I'm going to give it to
• 2:11:10
  you for the last word. Just land this thing as you see
• 2:11:12
  fit. And wow, humbling.
• 2:11:16
  Yeah, Well, God bless you, buddy.
• 2:11:18
  Thank you so much. And yes, it's, I'll say this,
• 2:11:21
  you are welcome to compliment me and puff me up as much as you
• 2:11:26
  feel the Holy Spirit leads you to.
• 2:11:28
  Because certainly, as I'm sure you know, and the more you do
• 2:11:32
  it, the more you find out, it does become an incredibly
• 2:11:35
  deflating experience. Sometimes it's just part of the
• 2:11:38
  business. And you know, to be honest,
• 2:11:40
  there's nothing else that I'd rather be doing.
• 2:11:44
  But like, like any pursuit worth doing, it has, it has its ups
• 2:11:51
  and downs. It has its challenges.
• 2:11:53
  And not just, again, literal challenges or technical
• 2:11:58
  challenges, although those are aplenty, but the challenges that
• 2:12:04
  come with existing as a human being.
• 2:12:06
  You know, when it comes to doing things like we do, where the,
• 2:12:13
  the deliverable is what God is doing in our lives, what God has
• 2:12:20
  brought us through every sentence, every rant, every
• 2:12:24
  moment of air time is a is a consequence or a product of not
• 2:12:31
  some time in school, not some moments in study, but is a total
• 2:12:39
  product of everything, every resource that God has put in to
• 2:12:46
  making us who we are. And that does go all the way
• 2:12:50
  down to the weird little bacteria floating around doing
• 2:12:54
  their jobs. It goes to the quiet moments at
• 2:12:57
  night when the only voice we can hear is is our our own or the
• 2:13:03
  Holy Spirit. And hopefully it's the latter.
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  It's every off air moments with our families and our friends and
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  our the troubling things, the time we spend on customer
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  service calls. You know, it's the biggest
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  blessing in the world to know that every seconds that we
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  endure of this life is God doing a good work in US.
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  And then to have the ability to mobilize that work in sort of a
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  tangible way like this, for all of its ups and downs, you know,
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  it's an incredibly humbling experience.
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  And, you know, going through it is one thing, and watching
• 2:13:47
  someone else do it as well is a total other thing.
• 2:13:51
  It's been such a pleasure to sort of watch you guys persist
• 2:13:58
  and survive and continue with the positivity and keeping the,
• 2:14:06
  the main thing the main thing because I'm grateful I'm not
• 2:14:12
  going through it on your, you know, on your side, but I know
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  exactly what it's like and what it takes.
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  So it really is a pleasure to see you guys doing what you're
• 2:14:23
  doing here and putting such a wonderful collection of people
• 2:14:29
  and projects together. It's it's, I told you on the
• 2:14:32
  phone the other day, I mean, I I do admire that about you guys.
• 2:14:36
  You've got, you've got a fire in you that is contagious.
• 2:14:42
  And so I want to thank you guys for that.
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  And yeah, you know, this world wants to, I think one of the
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  biggest systems going on in the world right now.
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  And I think this counts for people who have been believers
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  forever. It's counts for people who are
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  just coming to the knowledge of the spiritual reality of God.
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  And it counts for the people who are not yet there that the
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  system we're in much like to speak metaphorically or
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  literally, much like the banking system, which, you know,
• 2:15:20
  inherently channels us into a set of behaviors and a set of
• 2:15:23
  values and a set of habits and a set of rubrics for how to
• 2:15:29
  survive and pay your rent and save and invest in whatever.
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  Where it's really just playing in the system they built.
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  There's nothing natural about it.
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  And we only play that game because we they have made it so
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  we don't have any other choice. I mean, we have other choices,
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  but those ones, of course, don't seem very pleasurable.
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  You know, if we eschew all material concern and don't pay
• 2:15:55
  our bills and go live in the woods in a cardboard box, it's
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  certainly an option. But there's no system built
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  around that. And in the same way, they've
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  built a system around us that channels us.
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  It funnels even the most conscious and reverence and
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  mindful and you know all even the best of us, if you could
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  even say a thing, if you could say such a thing.
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  It has us herded back to that image of the herding of the
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  sheep where we're within the boundaries of a pen that's been
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  laid out for us when it comes to talking about spiritual things,
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  literal things, material things, they've dictated the rules of
• 2:16:54
  the endless never ending conversation about, you know,
• 2:16:58
  well, is the Bible literal or is it not literal?
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  There are angels real or invisible.
• 2:17:03
  Well, what about this is that you'll notice that all the
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  options are ones that answer the questions asked by the
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  credentialed priests of materialism, of scientism.
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  And I think honestly, it's because they know that they're
• 2:17:26
  they're not really the most important things.
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  It's not really. I mean, it's not really the
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  thing that develops a closer than close relationship with the
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  creator of the universe. Whether you think the Bible is
• 2:17:44
  entirely literal or just a little bit literal or this or
• 2:17:49
  that, when it comes down to it, that is not necessarily a
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  salvation issue. I mean, of course we can again
• 2:18:03
  get trapped in that conversation and say all the reasons why it
• 2:18:06
  may lead to somebody, blah, blah, blah.
• 2:18:09
  But the fact of the matter is we're all breaking out in in
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  almost every manifestation, in every instantiation of the
• 2:18:22
  paradigm laid out for us that we have been.
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  We didn't even know there is anything outside of the
• 2:18:28
  paradigm. We we haven't even known that
• 2:18:31
  there was any possibility that we've been tricked into thinking
• 2:18:36
  that literal, metaphorical, physical, spiritual has to be
• 2:18:40
  one or the other. Even the definitions of those
• 2:18:43
  very things, they're just given to us to, again, not just
• 2:18:48
  control the information. It's not about necessarily
• 2:18:51
  controlling what we know or what we don't know.
• 2:18:53
  They tried that very, very passionately and they found out
• 2:18:59
  that it's a not very easy to do, to control information, ideas
• 2:19:04
  that can't be killed. And the second they're out, they
• 2:19:07
  stay there forever. But what they can do is control
• 2:19:12
  our emotions, control our spiritual state, and they can
• 2:19:17
  hurt us around and getting caught in these more or less
• 2:19:22
  meaningless distinction distinctions.
• 2:19:25
  And you know, we know that some of the most important things in
• 2:19:31
  the universe are happening in fellowship and are happening in
• 2:19:35
  synthesis. God the Father, God the Son, God
• 2:19:38
  the Holy Spirit, God the Holy Spirit, both separate yet
• 2:19:44
  eternally. 1 referring to one another, obedient to one
• 2:19:48
  another, yet total union. And we think about, well, what
• 2:19:55
  are we? Are we mind, body, or spirit?
• 2:19:58
  Which one's important? Well, if we take a second to
• 2:20:04
  step out real quick of the bounds, it becomes eternally
• 2:20:11
  obvious that our mind and our body and our spirit.
• 2:20:16
  While maybe separate things are in constant contact, constant
• 2:20:20
  communication, and essentially one together.
• 2:20:26
  And I think that's a very empowering thing to step outside
• 2:20:31
  of a paradigm that wants to split you up.
• 2:20:35
  It wants to split you up into various pieces, or it wants to
• 2:20:38
  say you're just body, or it wants to say you're just one of
• 2:20:43
  them. When the fact is the very nature
• 2:20:47
  of reality that we see on the highest levels, the nature of
• 2:20:51
  God himself, is this synthesis of various parts that are all so
• 2:20:58
  closely tied in union. To even distinguish between them
• 2:21:03
  is more of a practice in rhetoric than it is in reality.
• 2:21:10
  And so I think in the next 365 days as the robots are taking
• 2:21:14
  over, as people start marrying their AIS, as jobs become
• 2:21:21
  useless or or non existence, as society as we know it changes in
• 2:21:29
  ways that at the very best we might be able to compare them to
• 2:21:37
  a set of science fiction movies. When in reality we have no way
• 2:21:43
  of knowing exactly what it's going to be like.
• 2:21:47
  Stepping outside of the paradigm that they try to keep us in as
• 2:21:50
  believers, as individuals, even as individuals in fellowship, as
• 2:21:57
  Christ said, in fellowship, the church is 1 body, as we've gone
• 2:22:03
  over so many times before and is so important.
• 2:22:07
  But it's about that synthesis of many coming together, working as
• 2:22:11
  one, like the trillions of cells in your body, each with their
• 2:22:16
  own little motivations and their own little jobs.
• 2:22:20
  Whatever various versions of consciousness they might be
• 2:22:22
  experiencing, or if they're experiencing at all, it's quite
• 2:22:26
  obvious they're a little bit more than robots, in the same
• 2:22:29
  way that each one of us is a little bit more than robots.
• 2:22:33
  And the world is going to be completely different in 365
• 2:22:36
  days. I have no way to tell you what
• 2:22:38
  it is, but the only way to survive is going to be staying
• 2:22:44
  rooted and grounded. Not in the paradigm or the
• 2:22:47
  conversations that have torn us apart for so many generations
• 2:22:52
  that somehow keep getting brought up.
• 2:22:56
  The amount of times where it's some most important
• 2:23:00
  conversation, podcast, debate, blah blah, book, whatever,
• 2:23:05
  trying to figure out is something literal or not
• 2:23:07
  literal. Can we just take a second and
• 2:23:11
  realize that the nature of reality is God?
• 2:23:19
  There is no, there is no being without the being who made being
• 2:23:25
  be we only is because he is. And that goes for every single
• 2:23:33
  aspect of our life. And it might sound kind of, you
• 2:23:36
  know, a little bit heady, might sound a little bit mystical or
• 2:23:40
  something. It might sound, but these are
• 2:23:42
  the times that we're in. We're done playing by the by the
• 2:23:48
  rules of the establishment of the credentials of the experts.
• 2:23:53
  And so if you're out there having conversations that take a
• 2:23:58
  step towards the line, I'm excited to see it happen and I
• 2:24:03
  can't wait to see what this next generation does.
• 2:24:07
  Honestly, at this point, I've spent a lot of time shaking in
• 2:24:11
  my boots about what the future holds, the near future.
• 2:24:16
  Spent a lot of time, a lot of energy, a lot of air time
• 2:24:20
  postulating, theorizing, dissecting and analyzing how
• 2:24:25
  spooky the future is going to be.
• 2:24:27
  But in the end, kind of looking forward to it, kind of looking
• 2:24:32
  forward to whatever God has in store, Not just for me
• 2:24:36
  personally, but also for me personally, but for the body as
• 2:24:39
  a whole. And you guys are a great part of
• 2:24:41
  that. And everybody listening out
• 2:24:42
  there needs to consider themselves a part of that.
• 2:24:45
  You're not just listening to a podcast.
• 2:24:49
  You're out. You're probably at work mowing
• 2:24:50
  the lawn, washing the dishes, doing the laundry in the car
• 2:24:54
  with the kids. You should be playing this in
• 2:24:56
  the car with the kids, whatever it is.
• 2:25:01
  But you are, you are fully a part of the most important body
• 2:25:06
  on earth right now. And that is the fellowship of
• 2:25:09
  believers in the the church that holds Christ as it's rocked and
• 2:25:14
  we build our foundation on. And so everybody start doing and
• 2:25:18
  I'll encourage everybody listening to do just as I
• 2:25:21
  encouraged everybody else to do for many years, which is hey, if
• 2:25:27
  doing a podcast, having conversations, doing this sort
• 2:25:30
  of thing, it's something the Lord put on your heart.
• 2:25:33
  Just do it. Start doing it.
• 2:25:36
  Reach out if anybody needs help or whatever the the obstacles
• 2:25:41
  have never been less significant to doing it.
• 2:25:45
  And if the Lord calls you to it, it doesn't matter who's
• 2:25:48
  listening, doesn't matter how many downloads you get, doesn't
• 2:25:51
  matter this or that, because it's really what other choice do
• 2:25:57
  you have? You're not going to do it, guys
• 2:25:59
  telling you to do something. You're not going to do it just
• 2:26:01
  because what? Because you don't want it, you
• 2:26:04
  don't have time, whatever. You don't mean to bully anybody,
• 2:26:08
  but we're running out of time. We're running out of time all
• 2:26:11
  together. The time to do whatever you want
• 2:26:13
  to do in your life, whatever you feel like God's calling you to
• 2:26:16
  do now. I'm just telling you right now
• 2:26:19
  as a guy who's been doing it for 13 years now, now is the time to
• 2:26:24
  do it. There is no next year.
• 2:26:26
  Your options will start to become thinner and thinner.
• 2:26:31
  Now God of course always says the perfect path for you and he
• 2:26:34
  can lift you up in any direction he wants.
• 2:26:37
  But I'm telling you, things are not going to be the same and we
• 2:26:40
  need you to do what God is calling you to do.
• 2:26:44
  So thank you guys for letting me go on one last rant there.
• 2:26:47
  But I think if nothing else, there is a crowd of people,
• 2:26:53
  there are believers that God is empowering and inspiring and
• 2:26:59
  there's there's absolutely no reason not to answer the call.
• 2:27:05
  I will say let your expectations be his expectations.
• 2:27:10
  And things start making a lot more sense in the world.
• 2:27:15
  I'd think that's it. Psalms 1050.
• 2:27:20
  Give thanks unto the Lord, call upon His name, Make known his
• 2:27:25
  deeds among the people. Sing unto him, sing psalms unto
• 2:27:29
  Him. Take ye all of His wondrous
• 2:27:32
  works. Glory ye his holy name.
• 2:27:36
  Let the heart of them rejoice that seek the Lord, Seek the
• 2:27:40
  Lord and His strength. Seek his face forevermore.
• 2:27:43
  Remember His marvelous works that He hath done his wonders,
• 2:27:48
  and the judgments of his mouth. O ye seed of Abraham, his
• 2:27:53
  servant, the children of Jacob has chosen.
• 2:27:57
  He is the Lord our God. His judgements are all in the
• 2:28:01
  earth, and he hath remembered his covenant forever, The word
• 2:28:06
  which he commanded to 1000 generations.
• 2:28:10
  Well, that's it. That's the show.
• 2:28:11
  You guys, you know the deal. Share this one far and wide.
• 2:28:16
  It makes a difference. You're helping us find one more
• 2:28:20
  person that's just like us coming to you from southeastern
• 2:28:23
  Pennsylvania. God bless and goodbye.
• 2:28:54
  I trusted in your word many troubled nights.
• 2:28:57
  All that darkness thought I lost my sight.
• 2:29:00
  The devil shooting shots under in my life.
• 2:29:03
  But I'm covered by the blood. So I'm going to be all right.
• 2:29:06
  I'm down one, but I'm up two. I've been down once.
• 2:29:10
  But as Love's true, I'm seeking this face, feeling the grace.
• 2:29:13
  I'm running this race for eternity.
• 2:29:16
  Space. I need more love.
• 2:29:17
  Less tears, no more drugs, less fears.
• 2:29:20
  The stress reel detached here I'm washing over everything up
• 2:29:24
  in my mind. Pummel the devil.
• 2:29:26
  How's this feel? You out of time.
• 2:29:29
  Look, God, you said you never leave me.
• 2:29:32
  Look, God, you said you always see me through.
• 2:29:36
  You always see me through because these demons get to
• 2:29:41
  chase in there for me. Generational iniquity is
• 2:29:45
  everything I see when I look in my family pictures, 'cause my
• 2:29:48
  baby pictures, they got me crying like I'm just in the
• 2:29:51
  devil and I'm praying just real hard in the Spirit.
• 2:29:54
  I'm really feeling the Holy Spirit is coming near me.
• 2:29:57
  I'm like, Lord God, be the way, the truth or life don't ever
• 2:30:01
  leave me. Jesus Christ, I really need you
• 2:30:02
  tonight. I'm like, Lord God, you put it
• 2:30:05
  on my heart. You're moving in and through me
• 2:30:08
  and you're erasing out of the dark.
• 2:30:10
  You're the way. You're the truth.
• 2:30:12
  You're the lie. Lord God, you said you'll never
• 2:30:18
  leave me. Lord God, you said.
• 2:30:20
  You'll always see me through. You'll always see me through.
• 2:30:28
  Lord God, you said you'll never leave me.
• 2:30:31
  Lord God, you said you'll always see me through.
• 2:30:35
  You'll always see me through. Yeah.
• 2:30:39
  You justified the sentence. Me.
• 2:30:41
  I pray you don't prepare me. Times I remember, I think about
• 2:30:44
  the penalty. Desires of the heart brought
• 2:30:47
  rebellion, causing enmity. Lord, you know the truth here.
• 2:30:49
  Despite who we pretend to be. I'm giving you the enemy.
• 2:30:52
  This is what it looked like. And This is why I took Christ.
• 2:30:55
  The one who made a crook life. Forgive me for my idol words.
• 2:30:58
  Every word I took life. For times I should have stayed
• 2:31:01
  here. For every step I took life.
• 2:31:03
  My God ain't desert me. Capsized and mercy baptized and
• 2:31:07
  hurt me. Yeah.
• 2:31:07
  I should have died for backsliding curses and capsize
• 2:31:12
  my purpose. Yeah.
• 2:31:14
  Lord God, you said you never leave me.
• 2:31:18
  Lord God, you said you'd always see me through.
• 2:31:22
  You'd always see me through. Lord God, you said you'd never
• 2:31:29
  leave me. Lord God, you said you'd always
• 2:31:32
  see me through. You'd always see me through.