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Who Was Colonel Sanders? · Dirt Nap City - History's Most Interesting Dead People

• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: Hello, welcome to Dirt Knap City.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Alex.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm here with Kelly.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: And this is the show about interesting people who happen to be dead.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: In a lot of Latin American cultures, they say that you uh you have you die twice, right?
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: The one one time when you actually uh stop breathing, and then the second time, you know the second time when you die, right?
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh is that is that the day after Halloween?
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: Deus De La Morta?
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: You don't yeah, it has yeah, you don't die the day after Halloween, but the second time you die is when people stop talking about you.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh when your memory is forgotten.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: When when nobody on earth remembers you anymore and nobody's talking about you.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so maybe through this podcast, we'll make sure that uh these people live uh an eternity, basically.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because anytime you flip on these podcasts, um you'll be uh preserving these people's um memory.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's really our goal here at Dirt Nab City.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: Is it?
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and like I said, eventually we'll get to all of you.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the the goal is for uh the the goal is for me to be the subject at some point.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: Alex is just talking by himself.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's kind of morbid.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's uh yeah, the first episode of what I'll call season two.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you gave me that long.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, so Alex, I'm sure you picked somebody that everybody's interested to hear about.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the interesting thing about this format is the audience already knows who the subject is.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: Alex in this case does, but I don't.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: I have no idea who he picked.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: I I had hoped it would be someone whose name started with B since it's episode two, but his mind doesn't think like that.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm thinking it's probably somewhere else in the alphabet.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: But it could be.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: It is somewhere else in the alphabet.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's not somebody there.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: Your name does not begin with B.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: First or last name.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: Good to know.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: Is there a B somewhere in their first or last name?
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Is it is it uh No, no, no, it doesn't even contain a B.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to make a couple of things?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like we're playing Wordle here.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: You have probably seen this person's face or image in the last two, three days.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: Ubiquitous.
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  SPEAKER_01: This person's face is everywhere.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: Here's your first clue.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: Trump.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: Donald Trump.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if I have to remind you of the rules of Dirt Knap City.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: He's he's he's uh maybe he's dead to me, but not he's not not dead in the clinical sense.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: So okay.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I've seen his face.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: All right, all right.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Washington, George Washington.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: Does he not have a B?
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, oh.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: I yeah, so that would be you'd see him because you have a lot of one dollar bills.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm making it rain.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: Making it rain.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's a second making it rain reference.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: Two two in a row.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: Two, it's gotta be great if we can sneak that in.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: It'd be great if we could sneak that into every single episode talking about organically, just talking about making it rain.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: I would say also that there's probably most countries that you go through that you go to this person's face can be seen in in pretty much any country in the world these days.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: Is it Jesus?
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, that would be that'd be tough for a for a one-hour uh podcast.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be uh really really arrogant of me to select that.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: Jesus, Jesus, uh, Jesus Christ, Jesus, age Christ.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, there's no uh there's no no B in it.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's kind of my that's my guiding clue right now.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I've seen his face.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen his uh okay, and and did you say his face?
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm I did, I did.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is uh a male, another man, yeah.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: Identifies as he him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Can I tell you when he was born?
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: Please.
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  SPEAKER_00: 1890.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: 1890.
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  SPEAKER_01: Died 1980.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: And you still see his face everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: Died in 1980, and you still see his face.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: George with no Burns has a B in it.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um Wilfrid Brimley.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why are all these B's popping up?
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um can you tell me what his profession was?
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: His profession, he was what he's famous for.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_01: He is in the food business.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um Dave Thomas from Wendy's.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that would be a good guess, except for you don't really see his face, do you?
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: You see his daughter's face.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh okay, then the Colonel Sanders.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: Kelly, we're talking about Colonel Harlan Sanders.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: Harlan! Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Colonel Harlan Sanders.
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  SPEAKER_01: He he's a real person.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: He was a real person.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: Did you never see him on TV when you were a kid?
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: He used to make the rounds sometimes on talk shows.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know if that was actually really him or an actor.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: It was, it was really him.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's like breakdancing and Instagramming and makes it rain and all that stuff.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure he wouldn't be happy with any of this the way he's being portrayed now.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh kind of a cantankerous uh fellow.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the more I uh, you know, uh, I don't know, with Andre the Giant, the more you got to know him, the more you liked him.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: The more I dove into the life of Colonel Sanders, the more I kind of didn't didn't like the guy.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, please do tell.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: Was he actually born in Kentucky?
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, not even from Kentucky.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: Barely had anything to do with Kentucky, and wasn't even wasn't in the military.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well, he was, but uh nothing uh spectacular either.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: Let me tell you actually a colonel.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of, not really, kind of, well, not really.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I just watched a documentary about Elvis and uh the colonel that you know what was Colonel Tom Parker.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_00: Colonel Tom Parker, he wasn't really a colonel, but he was probably more of a colonel than this guy.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, okay.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not calling Colonel Sanders a fraud.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder if I wonder if Colonel was just almost like a sign of respect back in those days.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like you just called No, I'll tell you why he he's he's called Colonel.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's like being a knight in Kentucky.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: They have a thing where you can be named a Kentucky Colonel, and that's like giving knighthood for Kentucky.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like being Sir Sir Harlan Sanders, but Kentucky.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: So the Queen of Kentucky does this.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: The governor of Kentucky does this.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh okay.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: And and they actually still um still do that.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then so I thought, oh, there must be a lot of famous Kentucky colonels.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh uh according to my sources, uh, he was the only one I heard of.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: So is is is this uh uh limited to Kentucky?
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this seems like maybe Georgia and Tennessee might want to get on on the action.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I don't know of any other states, or actually Kentucky's not a state, it's a commonwealth.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, for all you Kentucky listeners out there, don't want to um, you know, it's it's technically a commonwealth of Kentucky.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: But no, I don't think any other state does this where they have kind of these uh you know, it's not like in Texas we make somebody a Texas Ranger or anything like that.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_01: So so no, it's it's the closest thing I can uh liken it to would be um being a knight in the UK.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: So so if you're if you're a uh Kentucky colonel, do you have any special privileges like get out of speeding tickets?
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: Can you arrest people?
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: Can you I have a feeling that he thought that he yeah, he had a lot.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: He could get away with everything.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: He get did get away with a lot.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's definitely anytime you get pulled over, you just pull a don't you don't you know who I am.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: You just put a bucket of chicken.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: Here you go, officer.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: Here you go, officer.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: So so did you used to eat buckets of chicken when you were a kid?
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like when I I remember growing up, there wasn't a lot of fast.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: Fast food was just kind of starting.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, you had your McDonald's.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: We had to drive 40 minutes to a Taco Bell.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: Are you talking about when you lived in Michigan or Texas?
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: Mid 70s.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh we I remember they had we had a uh Jack in the Box that was like a real clown's face that you uh talked into in the little speaker.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of crazy.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was like a real Jack in the Box that um and then I remember uh Burger King, and then we had a place called Burger Chef.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: Burger Chef and Jeff.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: Did y'all have that here?
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: No, I never went to I never saw or heard of Burger Chef, but that was a Burger King ripoff.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I remember when we would go to like outdoor concerts, you always bring a bucket of chicken.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was just our go-to.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: You'd bring, I don't even know how many pieces were in a bucket.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: We just bring a bucket of chicken, wasn't it?
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: That was about as good.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, no, it was more like more than that.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, there was there's probably 30 pieces in those buckets.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you know, something too is that chicken wasn't really a big staple in the American diet until like the 40s or 50s.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, that and if you compare a chicken from that era to a chicken today, chickens today are like three times as big and and have more meat.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: They're bred that way, right?
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Back the natural chickens were smaller and looked more like a pheasant.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: I did not know that, but I know when I was a kid, diving into that extra crispy bucket of chicken was about as good as it got back then.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: Also, on car trips, we would just get a bucket of chicken and some of those little parfaits, um, the the uh the mashed potatoes with the gravy, which we'll get into the gravy.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: There was the gravy was a big big thing.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, it seemed like when we were kids, uh Kentucky fried chicken, as it used to be called, uh not called that anymore.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: KFC now, right?
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: Just KFC.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you're in Canada and it's called PFK.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: And and if you're in uh Albuquerque, it's called Hermanos uh Boyos Hermanos.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, different, different uh group there.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um all right, so let me tell you a little bit about this.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: The real colonel, Gus Fring.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: No kidding, man.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: So he dropped out of seventh grade at the age of 12.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's all the education this man got.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: He said born in 1890, you said.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: So this would have been 1902, he dropped out of school.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, sure.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I have some quotes from him, and I I it's hard to read his quotes without doing the imitation.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if I should try it or if I should just try it in like a uh a different accent or British accent or something, but um, but he says algebra is what drove me off.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's why he quit school.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't just say that once, like every interview he ever had, um, magazine interview, Johnny Carson interviewed school at the age of 12.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Algebra's what drove me off.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that was kind of his catchphrase.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: Algebra is what drove me off.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: When he said drove me off, he meant like uh horse and carriage drove me off.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, this because this was a turn of the century.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: So, uh, like so many men back then, he falsified his uh date of birth and went into the army at age 16 and was sent to Cuba.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: But he wasn't a colonel or anything, he didn't have any kind of military rank, he was pretty uneventful stint in uh in Cuba.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: He came back and he just did uh odd jobs and he got fired from like every job he ever had.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: He would uh mostly for fighting um and for um just being bad at his job.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: He was uh you know, an insurance salesman and um uh painter, and all these things.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: He just kept getting fired and he wasn't a very good employee, but he was a young guy because he was already in the military and he was like he was out of the army and he was already like 17 years old or 18 years old.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: Imagine if you had a fence that Colonel Sanders had painted, how cool that would be.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well, so then um there's very little given about this guy uh in the um kind of the the popular internet information until 1930, which he's already 40 years old, right?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um is already a decorated war veteran or military.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: No, not decorated at all.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: He was honorably discharged, but not no, no, not notably.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, we won't disparage that.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: He still did his he did his service.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for your service, uh, Colonel.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Colonel Sanders.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: Colonel, in quotes.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: Air quotes, Colonel Sanders.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: So he uh he worked for Shell, and they gave him opportunity to buy uh gas station, or as they called him back then, service stations, because they did a lot more than sell gas, right?
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a Dutch company, right?
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, now, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: But not back then.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it was US based back then?
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: He had a service station and they gave it to him, and it was in Kentucky, and that was his first kind of foray into Kentucky.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: One thing that he did for the weary travelers that would come through his his Kentucky, I think Shelbyville, maybe Kentucky, um, is that he started uh making chicken and ham.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: So you pull in to fill up your fill up your tank and and he has a little hot meal for you.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: This is before you could buy like you know, funions and fritos and preppuccinos.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there was nothing to eat.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: There was no obviously no fast food places, there was no convenience stores.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and you would, you know, um, you would go into this place and you'd get chicken and ham, and it was about the best thing you ever had, probably.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but then um a guy, a competitor came across the street and put up a thing, just just the same kind of thing.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: And um the colonel had um had a billboard advertising his service station, and the dude, the competitor decided to paint over the sign, paint over his billboard.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and of uh our friend uh the colonel said, I'm gonna blow his goddamn head off.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Which became his new catchphrase.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right, instead of algebra drove me off.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, okay.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: So he went up there and he repainted the sign.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I would I would be pretty mad too if somebody uh, you know, I wonder if he like tagged it like spray paint, you know, um, like put a gang sign on it or something.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: I think he actually put his own, like I think you painted over it and then put information arrow pointing to to Colonel Sanders' place, he pointed the arrow the other direction, and it took the Colonel like six months to notice, and he's like, Why is all my business dropped off?
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then he said, I'm gonna blow this goddamn head off.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: I um so then he went, painted over it again.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: They got into a gunfight.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: These two.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: They actually got into a gunfight.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: Colonel Sanders actually shot the guy in the shoulder, but the other guy killed Colonel Sanders' uh friend or coworker or whatever.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um so there was a gunfight that worked at his place, or somebody that I think he was actually a representative from Shell, like one of the like uh suits or something.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so they get in this gunfight.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Colonel Sanders actually shoots this guy, but the other guy kills his guy.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: And well, did he miss he missed Colonel Sanders and hit the other guy, or the other guy like dove and took the bullet?
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, and we're talking about flintlock pistols here, right?
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: Now you're just accurate.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, now you're writing fan fiction.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how the gunfight went off.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: But all I know is then, and when you read about this on the internet, everywhere you read it, it it kind of ends with the guy dying, and then the next sentence is always now he had no competition.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: Much like the rap battles of the 2000s, uh East Coast, West Coast stuff.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: Here you had east side of the highway, west side of the highway.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and um, and uh the colonel put a cap in his ass.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know, wow, and he was to do it.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: So were were there any the other guy got sent to jail like for life, and now there was no competition.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: And then wait, wait, wait, wait, got sent to jail for wait so murder.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: So the other guy got sent to jail, but Colonel Sanders did not.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: He he shot him in the shoulder, yeah.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: And and and they were like, Well, this other guy killed somebody, which is you know objectively worse.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: And apparently there were no, I mean, I don't know how they knew he said, I'm gonna blow his goddamn head off.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: That wasn't entered into uh evidence.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, it seems like that would be kind of a bad thing to reveal.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: The committee didn't subpoena his texts, I guess.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyways, he did his did he get his uh tweet deck, did he get his uh tweets uh Twitter banned from Twitter after that?
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: That would have happened today.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: There's no way he would have uh uh he would have been canceled today.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, true.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: But but instead, people started going crazy for his chicken.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, he shot a guy, and then in 1935, they made him a colonel, like which is the highest honor anybody in Kentucky.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: He'd only been there five years, and all of a sudden he was like one of Kentucky's best citizens.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: The duel happened in in 1930, between 1930 and 1935, somewhere somewhere.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: So then this is where he starts getting famous, is even though he was already a colonel, there was a guidebook back then where people that were traveling would get in it, say with the best restaurants.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like Fromers.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: Was it called Fromers?
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh kind of like that.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: It was a it was a guide to like uh restaurants and gas stations.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know who wrote this book?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: And you may recognize this name.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: It was a name of a guy who wrote the book.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, but it was close similar to that.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um this isn't the guessing part of the show.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: All right, who was it?
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Duncan Hines.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_01: No way.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's a real guy.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Real guy, got famous from his guidebooks.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it was a book called friends with Colonel Sanders?
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: It was like uh it was like uh you know uh Yelp back then.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, uh except for he was the only one rating, you know.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: I guess I guess it was nothing like that.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: If you got featured in the Duncan Hines guidebook, that was like a game changer for your business.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: The book was called Adventures and Good Eating.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: Adventures and Good Eating.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'd buy that that's what I wanted to call this podcast originally, but Alex mixed it.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: So in there it said it wasn't like a big review, it just said, you know, it's here's a place you should try.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Lunch is 50 cents to a dollar, dinner 60 cents to a dollar.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and that book kind of got him on the literal on the map.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: And anybody that was going through um Kentucky, and that was pretty well traveled road because it was like the road to go to Florida from anywhere in the north.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we used to always uh I grew up in Michigan and we used to always drive to Florida, and we'd always go through, and my dad would always say, There's where the original Colonel Sanders was.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: What city?
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was Shelbyville, Kentucky.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Shelbyville, okay.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: They're big, they're big rivals with Springfield, right?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Springfield.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, you know what?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: In uh there is a Springfield, Kentucky, and a Shelbyville, Kentucky, and they're like 50 miles apart.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Now, uh Matt Groening has never said that that's where it comes from, but I I think that's the closest between.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: I maintain I maintain Springfield, Missouri.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: You would, but is there a Shelbyville, Missouri?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Good question.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: All right, but but so so um Shelbyville, Kentucky, the original.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: So probably do you think there's a marker there, like uh some sort of a historical marker, or or is there still a restaurant there?
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: Not only is there a mark, there's a restaurant, um like an actual KFC?
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'll it's a that's a long story that I'll hopefully have time to get to here.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: I want I want to sidebar for one second about Xander's chicken.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever had Xanders in in Britain?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Zenders?
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Zenders.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's one I had that this past summer.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: If you're ever in Frankenmuse, uh Michigan, that's a German town north of Detroit.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: Zenders.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's great.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: Family style.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we used to do uh uh road races, fun runs.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they had a 10k and a 20k up there, and it was always on the 4th of July.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Probably still do it up there.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: So so my thing was I did a bike ride.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was uh it was a uh 50k, um 50k or 100k bike ride, and I did the done and they just give you all the chicken you can eat.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's damn good chicken, too.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like it.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so so yeah, uh, if you're listening from Zenders right now and you want to throw some.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to sponsor uh Dirt Nap City, please please we're we're taking we'll we could take our sponsorship in chicken.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Or if you're if you if you work for KFC.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm serious.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Zenders, if you're listening, this is the last free advertisement you're getting.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: We give you the first one free.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: After that, you get to pay.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: But you're going to notice instead of a 20-minute wait for dinner tonight, it's going to be a 22-minute wait.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's that's called the the Dirtnap City bump.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know this was going out live, but the DNC bump.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: No, I mean when whenever whenever the episode goes out.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: So, okay.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: So so so Zender's different story.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: K back to Kentucky Fried Chicken in Shelbyville.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: It was just a gas station.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even think it was called Kentucky Fried Chicken.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: It was just a gas station.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: But in 1952, he decided to franchise it and build one in.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know where the first place there was actually a Kentucky Fried Chicken?
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: The very first Kentucky Fried Chicken was not in Kentucky.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: That was just a gas station.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Salt Lake City.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Who knew?
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Salt Lake City, Utah.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: They um they had a deal where they would uh have a place it was called Kentucky Fried Chicken, and then they paid him for Colonel Sanders would get four cents per chicken that they sold.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: I guess it would make sense to open Kentucky Fried Chicken outside of Kentucky, because if it was in Kentucky, they would just call it fried chicken.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um that's a good point.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was more exotic if it was.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Texas Roadhouse, right?
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: There's that Texas Roadhouse place here.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: Why, why?
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I could understand if you're in if you're in Oklahoma, then you call it the Texas Roadhouse.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: But if it's here if you're in London, you'd want to go to the Texas Roadhouse.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like uh not really.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a great place.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, do you think there's any Outback stakeouts in the Outback in Australia?
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, in the Outback.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think that would be a didgery don't.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, good one.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: So this you know, he started franchising these things, and in 1963, he came up with his slogan.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember the slogan for Kentucky?
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's finger licking good, which really, when you think about it, has got to be one of the grossest taglines of any restaurant ever.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you just heard that, we've been hearing it our whole lives, but can you imagine if somebody came out to like in the pitch meeting for the restaurant?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, I got it, I got it, folks.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's you're supposed to lick your fingers and then put them back into the bucket.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: This is a shared food.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but but when you were when you got a bucket, when you were going to your concerts or on the road trip with your family, did you lick your fingers?
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: It was the Doobie Brothers was my first concert, and we had a bucket of chicken.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Did you lick your fingers as you ate it?
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure I did.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: Be honest.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm sure I did.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, did you wash your hands out?
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: Did you wash your hands before you ate it?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't have wet wipes back then.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: So, so, and you survived?
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's the only way you could get your fingers clean was to lick them back then.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think, I think part of the problem, you know, with with people today, and part of the reason we have COVID, quite honestly.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this can be my first conspiracy rant, is because we're all too clean and and we don't lick our fingers enough.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: We don't eat food off the ground anymore, we don't believe in the 10-second rule.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: If people did more of that, our immune systems would be stronger and COVID wouldn't exist.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's that's an opinion, though.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: Make sure you say that's an opinion.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: That is that is the strictly the opinion of this show, Alex and I together.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: No, I might even call it a half-baked opinion.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I I'm I'm in character, so um, please continue.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_00: I do I do believe, though, I I do eat food off the ground.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: I do believe in the 10-second rule.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: And there actually is a theory about that, uh, about um actually hand sanitizer making us more prone to uh to getting sick.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh can't argue with science, man.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing to do with nothing to do with COVID.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: So uh back to the colonel.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, he was most proud of his gravy.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: Aren't you?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was gonna say, I wonder how many times on Dirt Nap City we'll say that about somebody.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: They was most proud of his gravy, and this was what he said.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: It'll make you throw away the damn chicken and just eat the gravy.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: There's lots of great quotes from that man.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: He was a quotable guy.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: Did you just Google like uh Colonel Sanders' quotes?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Was that is that where you get these?
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: I have taken such a deep dive into this, man.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: Notable quotables.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: So he sold KFC to investors in 1964.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: 1964, way before you and I were born.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: He sold it for two million dollars, which is the equivalent of 19 million today.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, it still doesn't seem like quite enough.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'll just tell you that KFC did 2.8 billion dollars in revenue last year.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Is is KFC part of Yum Brands now?
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: KFC Yum Taco Bell.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yum Brands is is uh Taco Bell, KFC, and Pizza Hut, maybe.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I think they're somehow involved with Pepsi, is in that in uh so he was wealthy by those standards, but probably could have done more.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now, of course, he was pretty old by then, right?
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: He was 70 something.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: 1964, he would have been 74.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, do you take the two million?
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe he just wanted to cash out cash out and take some time and you know, travel the country licking his fingers.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: Just to give you an idea what 19 million dollars um is today, I mean, that's what Mark Cuban's house sells for.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: 19 million.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, that's not a ton of money.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it is a ton of money, but not for uh what became KFC.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: But at the time, how many do you know at the time when he sold it?
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: What it wasn't as big as it is today.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I saw an interview with him from like 1979, and he was bragging that it did two billion dollars in revenue.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: So it is just about it was just about as big as it is today.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: There was less competition back then.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: I wonder if he had some sort of um some sort of residual, you know, like sold it and then you know was able to keep some small percentage.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, in four four cents per chicken.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: No, in fact, not only that, but he kept trying to get his well, so let me tell you what happened then is so he sold it, so but he they kept him on as the quote unquote spokesperson, right?
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: So his name and image was they he was an employee.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: This is painful.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: We talked about this with Bob Ross, we talked about this with Andre the Giant, and now someone else, you know, we need to get control of our image and likeness pretty much seriously, yeah.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: I I think you have control of my image and likeness.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: At this point, yeah, yeah.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna I'm gonna make t-shirts.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's not good.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but here's the funny part.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: So he was supposed to be a spokesperson and they were paying him just like as an employee, but he constantly was trashing the place.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: He said that the food was terrible now that he's not in charge anymore.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: He hated the food.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: He called it goddamn slop.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um one time he went to uh didn't he?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he did.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm just saying this so we can get the little E on the uh for excellent.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't actually, he just said it was slop.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: I added the goddamn oh okay, okay.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um little poetry um yeah, but he um he would go into a KFC and he would throw the throw it on the floor and say, This is goddamn slop.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: And they um he said it was sludge, and he said the gravy had turned into sludge and then it tasted like wallpaper.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: Which you wonder how what his point of reference for that was.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Here's an exact quote.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: My god, that gravy is horrible.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: They buy tap water for 15 to 20 cents a thousand gallons, and then they mix in with flour and um and starch and end up with pure wallpaper paste.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I know wallpaper paste, by God, because I've seen my mother make it.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: There's no nutrition in it, and they ought to not be allowed to sell it.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: The crispy fried chicken recipe is nothing in the world but a damn fried dough ball stuck in some chicken.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: And he was the spokesperson for this.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: Now he didn't say this in the commercial, so I never saw the commercial where he said those.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Not in the commercial, not in the commercial, but so he kept trying to have like a real conduct, like I don't know if you're familiar with ninfas in Houston.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, but like the family, like the the original ninfas, and then the family has so it's like that.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: He has a place called the uh Claudia Sanders Dinner House, and he kept on trying to call it something that was like Claudia Sanders fried Kentucky fried chicken, and they'd sue him, and then you call it like uh the Colonel's wife's chicken house.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he kept on trying different things, but today, today you can go to Claudia Sanders Dinner House, and it's like the original recipe, and they're the only recipe, they're the only restaurant that's allowed to still 11 herbs and spices.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: So, so really, do you remember, Alex?
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think you and I shared this experience here in Austin.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: There was uh uh Dan's burgers, and then Dan and Fran were the couple, and they got divorced, and then there was Fran's burgers, and they looked exactly the same, same, same food, same recipes.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: You really, you know, when you found a business um or or a restaurant, you really got to think about these things.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like what happens if it goes south with my spouse or if I sell or whatever.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: But I I don't I I kind of don't sympathize with him too much because he cashed out and he didn't have the sense to write some of that stuff into the contract and or to and then to go back and trash them.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but also in his defense, can you imagine you make you know what you per think is the greatest chicken on earth, and then you sell out, and then they just like change the recipe and make it like you know, and then and your name's still on it, your face is still on it, and now it's making you look bad.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Krusty the Clown.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know how he endorses all those products, and they're all uh they're all I mean, he shouldn't do that.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: Currently, the KFC Twitter account, they only follow 11 people.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: The KFC the KFC Twitter account only follows 11 people.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know who they follow?
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna say they they follow they follow probably um give me a second.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Mitch McConnell.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'll give you a hint.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'll give you a um that's a good guess because he can he's the only one that can make uh well no, he's not the governor, but um he could probably he probably is a governor, he probably is a colonel, actually.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: He probably has that he might be, he might be.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, let me give you a hint.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: You've already alluded to it two minutes ago.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: No, Zender's chicken.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um oh gosh, I allude to so many things.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let me let me let me one of them.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'll I'll give you one and you might be able to give me the rest.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: One of them is Herb Alpert.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: And the Tijuana brass.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: These are the people that KFC's Twitter account follows.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_00: Is it followed?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: 11 people.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: No, one of them is Herb Alpert.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Another one is Herb Sendek.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's 11 herbs, Herb Tarlic, Herb Scribner, Herb Wesson, Herb Waters, Herb Dean, and all of the Spice Girls.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: The five Spice Girls.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: So they file six guys named Herb and the Spice Girls.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: That's actually pretty brilliant.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Good on if the social media manager for Yum brands is listening right now and you're looking for a show to sponsor, uh we think you're really brilliant.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: We'd love to work with you.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Did you know that the place where Louisville, University of Louisville plays basketball is the KFC Yum Center?
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I didn't know that, but I'm not surprised.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: I just think it's funny to play in the Yum Center.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: Shout out to Lexington and Louisville for that matter.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: And Shelbyville.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: And and Springfield.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Let's keep it even.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: And shout out to the Claudia Sanders Dinner House, too.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't know, I don't know how much uh and and you know, I'm not sure you're in strict competition with Zenders, but I mean they're I'm sure they're both fine chicken places, and I'll bet you it's a lot better than KFC.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: And if they ever went to Kentucky, they'd do Claudia Sanders Dinner House.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'll bet they would, yeah.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if you went to Claudia Sanders Dinner House, I was looking at the menu.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: Was Claudia's wife?
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Who was Claudia's?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I was like his third wife or fourth wife or something.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he he had a I I I didn't go down this rabbit hole, but I saw that he was uh quite the womanizer.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I didn't I don't need to bring that here to during episode.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: They probably really liked his gravy.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: It'll make you throw away the damn chicken and just eat the gravy.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if he meant throw away or choke, but let's let's go with it.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: Now, would you like to hear about the um curse of the colonel?
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: The curse of the colonel.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: Is that is that when you eat your popcorn too fast and you choke on it?
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: Gravy.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: So you know uh baseball is big in Japan, right?
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and um it there's a there's a team there called the uh Henshin Tigers, okay?
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: And for some reason, for some reason there was like a there's outside the stadium, there was like a um well at a lot of international KFCs, they for some reason have like a statue of uh Colonel Sanders.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: I've I've seen this in multiple, like in Russia, I think they have one.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like a thing that they do.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think there's they do that here.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: I've never seen one.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: Is it like the beaver outside of Bucky's, that little bronze beaver?
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's like for selfies.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: In 1985, the Henshin Tigers won the championship, and the fans went crazy, and they took the statue and they threw it in the Hensheen River as a celebration, right?
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: They just were out of their minds.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: They just took, they were out of their minds, they were going crazy, they took the statue, yeah, and they were just like celebrating with it, and they just threw it in the river.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: But can I let me ask you a quick question about the statue uh for context?
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: Because in the Andre the Giant episode, we we talked about how big the statue of someone should be.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: Was this uh life size or larger than life size?
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was smaller than life size.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think it was similar to like when you go outside the uh what's the pretzel, uh the pretzel restaurant?
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: There's the guy like holding the uh um you're talking about uh you're talking about Kip's big boy, the Shoni's big boy, the big boy with the enormous statues with the tray?
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: Those are enormous statues.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_01: No, this is like like a statue that holds a free sample in his hand, right?
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: Ah that must be a Michigan thing.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, anyways, it was a little smaller than the life-size statue, and I have a feeling it was probably hollow as well, and probably weighed 20 pounds.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: Wasn't very big deal.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, no, not like a it wasn't like in honor of him, it was just to show that this is KFC.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: So they took the statue, yard sign, like a little signal.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, yeah, like a gnome.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: I thought a little bigger than a yard sign.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: Again, I think the beaver at Bucky's is more of a that thing is substantial.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: So they took this statue and they like were celebrating, carry him over their head, and they tossed it in the river.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then that team went on to have an 18-year losing streak.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: And much like the curse of the billy goat, the uh the the curse of the bambino and other curses that we have in American sports, they were certain that that that that was the problem.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: That'd be they they called it the curse of the colonel.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: They actually in 2009, they actually excavated, they they like dredged up the statue from the river.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: They like drained the river, found the statue, put it back up, and um, and I think they won.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh they they started winning like immediately.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: So there you go.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's the crazy.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if if you stuck around for the for the however far into the show we are so far, that's a nugget right there, people.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you you've got to appreciate Alex for that.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: I feel I feel smarter.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_01: And speaking of nuggets, uh throughout the world, I don't think there is a KFC that sells chicken nuggets.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: They've never got on that um train.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: Now, there are some interesting food items.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, for example, in Canada, they have the um big boss.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: The big boss is a big Mac with chicken instead.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, wait, wait.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: Is that at KFC or PFC or what did you say it was up there?
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: PFK.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: PFK.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: What does that stand for?
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: Pollo free, Kentucky.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: Why is it French?
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: The Big Boss is basically the exact same thing as a Big Mac, but it's with chicken instead.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: But wait, is this at McDonald's or is this at uh no, it's at K PFK.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: So they just ripped off the Big Mac.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's two uh it's two chicken patties.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: Patties, special sauce, lettuce cheese, lettuce cheese, pickles, onions on a set of seed bun.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: What a great campaign that we can still remember that like 40 years later.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think my favorite of the uh KFC items that don't exist here is in Australia they have what they call gravy mashies.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: And gravy mashies are like these little nuggets of dough.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they're not dough, they're mashed potato, like fried mashed potatoes, deep fried mashed potatoes injected with the gravy.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: The aforementioned gravy.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, is this the good version of the gravy or the uh tap water tap water version?
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's the shit version of the gravy, the the wallpaper blue right.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: So gravy mashies, and I even watched a commercial for gravy mashies, um, where these guys are like going to the beach and they got a surfboard on the car and they're popping gravy mashies um in their mouth, and they're all having a great time.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: Gravy mashies.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: Gravy mashies.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um in Malaysia, they have paper-wrapped chicken.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um in the Philippines, they have a double-down dog, which is a hot dog wrapped in a chicken breast.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not just, you know, you might think the U.S.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: has all these crazy, stupid foods, but you know, Singapore has them too, Philippines has them too.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: South Africa has nacho cheese crunch burger, which is a chicken dunked in nacho cheese sauce, topped with a slice of cheese, Doritos, and mayo.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: So this is all you this is all available at KFC's, international KFCs.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: If you're in another country, you know, I mean, you you've traveled internationally.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: I've traveled internationally.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: If you know, if the audience has been somewhere else, you generally avoid American fast food restaurants because you don't, you know, you're like, I can get that at home.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: But it sounds like maybe you can't get it at home.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: This may be stuff that is unique.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, go to Singapore, get some shrimp stars or some fish donuts at KFC.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: At KFC, yeah.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: Get some chicta.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know what a chizza is?
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: The chizza is uh it's uh cheetos pizza with Cheetos.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's pizza with chicken as a base instead of dough.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a giant piece of chicken.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: Picture like a chicken fried chicken, right?
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like or a uh um um yeah, it's like chicken fried steak.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's like kind of flat and it's like a patty and it has bread spreaded mozzarella and and pepperoni and tomato sauce on top of a chicken.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, it sounds pretty good.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: Does it?
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, truffle, parmesan chicken, all this kind of all this kind of stuff.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, truffle always kicks it up.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: You may remember that uh a few years back, um, they started a campaign of having um stand-up comedians um play The Colonel um in different ads, and they started with Daryl Hammond, who did a pretty good imitation of the colonel, and then they went to Norm McDonald.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: They fired, and so people thought, oh, he got fired, they got this guy instead.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that was part of their campaign was to try to change him out.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: Jim Gaffigan came after that.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_01: George Hamilton came uh famously for being, you know, he's famous for being tan.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think he came up uh they had like a golden chicken at the time, right?
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: Rob Riggle, yeah, um, Billy Zayn, Rob Lowe.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: These have these people have all been the colonel in control.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: All played the colonel in the last 10 years.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Ray Leota.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, another candidate for uh Dirt Knap City someday.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Reba McIntyre um came on to advertise their Nashville hot chicken, and she played the colonel.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh Seinfeld's uh Jason Alexander actually uh has played the uh colonel too, all within the The last you know five, ten years.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: Was the colonel still around when they rebranded from Kentucky Fried Chicken to KFC?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think so.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, that that that would have been like in the in this century, I think, when they stopped uh when fried became kind of a bad word, and um and uh they started just people knew it as KFC anyways, you know.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's true.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think personally, I think that the colonel uh would not be happy with uh KFC Taco Bell, for example, um KFC Pizza Hut.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't I think he would uh really hate you mean those collabs.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's a little disorienting to go to a KFC Taco Bell, I have to say.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um those are usually in gas stations, aren't they?
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, we have one right around.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, I could I could leave right now and be back in 10 minutes with some KFC Taco Bell.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: There's one right by my house.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's its own free scanning thing.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's the menu is enormous, and you have to say, like, if you're driving through and you're getting a meal combo, you have to say whether you want uh T5 or a K5, or uh, you know, you have to say which which side of the house you want something from.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: You could get both.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: You could get both.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: You could get uh bean burrito and gravy if you want.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: Uh in fact, that's some of the games we play is what's the worst combination of items from KFC Tacoba that that you could get together.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: So well, you just get the gravy by itself on what's yeah, you pour it on the Mexican pizza, right?
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: Smother your taco in it.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: But instead of hot sauce, pour the gravy on it.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: You could get, but yeah, I don't think you could get a chicken taco with extra crispy chicken.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think they'll do.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: They won't cross streams like that.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_00: The chicken, the chicken is um, well, that's because that's because the the Taco Bell chicken comes from south of the border, and the and the other chicken comes from Kentucky.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, different types of chicken.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, that's my um deep dive into um into Harlan, Harlan Sanders.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: He was uh 90 when he died.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you know, uh ever since he became the colonel, he kind of took on that that outfit, and he wore that outfit every day of his life.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he had like a summer version and a winter version.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like wool versus cotton?
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: That wasn't just when he was on TV or getting photographed.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: That was like when he was walking around going to going to the store, he wore that outfit.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: And um and I was watching, there's not a lot of YouTube uh interviews of him, but there's a really good one where he was on the 700 Club.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: You remember the 700 Club?
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was a religious show, right?
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was him and uh Jim Jim Baker, the later disgraced Jim Baker, wow, uh was interviewing him and he brought out a bucket of chicken.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: This was like right before he died, like night, not right before he died, but like a year before he died.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he brought it out, and they gave they gave everyone in the audience like a piece of chicken, and he they passed around the bucket.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_01: There's all these old ladies, they were passing around the bucket.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: But but he was doing the interview, and in the middle of the interview, he stops where he's his his answer and he says, I can't even talk.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm smelling that chicken, and it smells so good.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: Let's pass them out.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, he really, really sold it, man.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: When he wasn't trashing it, he really liked chicken.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: And and and you could say, maybe in that show, he literally kicked the bucket.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I think we should end on that.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Alex, that was fascinating.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, really, really good choice.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: Not not like you said, it's somebody whose face we've all seen.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, if you live in the US, uh, certainly, you just see it driving down the road.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: If you live near a city, even a small town.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, think of the faces like that that are like you mentioned Wendy.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: But that's Wendy.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: For some reason, I can see Dave Thomas in my head because I, you know, you see him on Yeah, he became a spokesperson later, but the faces that you still see, there are not a lot of faces out there that you still see.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the Wendy's logo has like a secret in it.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a I I don't remember what it is, but have you ever looked at some of those?
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: So it says mom.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_00: So so I wonder if there's a secret in the KFC logo.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: We should look for that.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and um, if you're one of the herbs, um um, it'd be great to follow us too on our Twitter.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: What's our Twitter account?
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: At DirtNet City.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_00: At DirtNet City.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: No, I actually think there nope.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: I actually I looked that up.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: There actually is somebody that has at well follow them then.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, follow them.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um see how many are herbs we can get to follow them, that person.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really I'm really disappointed that Herb Tarlic wasn't in there.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's fictional and he wouldn't have a Twitter account.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think I think a lot of a lot of fictional people do have Twitter accounts.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: I recognize the first two Herbs, Herb Alpert, of course, great trumpet player, and Herb Sendeck, uh college basketball coach.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um from whip whip cream and other delights back in the day.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, whipped cream and other delights.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um maybe we'll I don't think he's dead though.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: We will see still around.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: If you're still around, Herb Alpert, and you want to listen here, reach out.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we'd love to get your ears burning.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: We'll plug your latest album, yeah.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and follow us.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't even know if they follow KFC back, but um they don't even probably know that KFC follows them, you know.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: You're one of the 11 people and you don't even follow them back, but um spice girls is a nice touch.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty clever, though.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty clever.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, sure.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, because it's not 11 different herbs plus spices, it's 11 herbs and spice like together.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_00: No, they got the semantics correct.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and apparently the origin the recipe, the famous recipe, it's like under lock and key somewhere, but uh I've read some things that nobody actually knows where it is, and the new company definitely doesn't follow it.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it's too expensive.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure salt and pepper are two of them.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna guess.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna guess flour.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's not an herb or a spice.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's that's okay.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm trying to come up with the 11 herbs and spices.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what about what about like cayenne?
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not really that spicy.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: Probably like yeah.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: Well, if you know the recipe um and you want to break a story, uh, yeah, we'll do it here.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: We'll do it here.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: Orpnap city.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, though, I hope that everybody who listened, um, when they drive down the road and they see the colonel's uh smiling face on that sign.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: And you will, they think of us and they think of what they learned today.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: Because really, it's all about learning.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's all about learning and giving and sharing and loving.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: How about every time you drive by a KFC, uh, give us a holler, give us a follow.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: Listen to an episode.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do that.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder when the next time any either one of us will go to KFC.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: You think I might go today.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: More likely.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_01: You might go.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of got me craving fried chicken.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: We should both go now.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and order a chiza, and then when they say we don't have that, say, then just give me an order of gravy mashies.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: Just keep ordering stuff that's not on the menu.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, just give me a big boss, goddammit.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then um, and then ask if the gravy is the real gravy or if it's the spot.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, everybody.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you for listening to this uh absurd um rendition of uh Dirtnap City and our uh deep dive into Arlington standards like that.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um see you next time on DirtNnap Institute.