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  Welcome back football fans. I'm Roberto gridiron
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  updates banter with the boys we have jacob with
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  us what's up dude hey rob how's it going surviving
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  surviving and the other jay stun justin the in
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  -house pack a fan so you say it in french yeah
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  thanks for having me yeah feeling good off a
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  good w so we got uh jay jay jay The better version,
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  I guess, hopefully after the Vikings fans are
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  crying right now. But, yeah, we're here back
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  for another episode, week 13. Yeah, we'll get
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  to our five -game recap right after this. Oh,
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  Kevin, behind the camera. Yo, Kev. It's beautiful
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  back there. So, spin it, Kevin. We're back. banter
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  with the boys jj justin jacob first game packers
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  and the vikings We'll just hand it off over to
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  you so we can get your gloating out of the way.
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  That's all that Jordan Love did with running
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  back number two. Emmanuel Wilson? Yeah, Emmanuel
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  Wilson. He had, I believe, his first 100 -yard
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  game, and they continue to talk about these feel
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  -good stories when they get these folks in that
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  don't get their shot. So it was really cool to
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  see him get his shot. As a Packer fan, he's one
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  of those guys that just was lingering in the
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  back whenever Josh Jacobs would get a breather
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  or... josh jacobs was struggling he would inject
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  some excitement so i think packerland was really
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  excited for him to get his chance very similar
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  to years ago now current viking when aaron jones
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  got his chance and everyone was excited to see
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  him get going i think there's a Some of that
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  there. So that was a lot of fun. But you go look
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  at the numbers. Jordan Love didn't have to do
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  a lot. He did what he needed to do. I think the
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  most impressive play was on a third down, and
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  Vikings blitzed him, brought the whole house,
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  and he was able to lob that up to Dontavian Wicks.
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  That was a money pass, but he just had to do
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  the things that he had to do. Didn't need to
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  play hero ball. It was all about the defense
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  and just keeping J .J. McCarthy off balance all
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  day. Yeah, it was a pretty good... Showing there
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  for the Packers. Defensively, I mean, obviously,
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  you know, McCarthy did not have his best game
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  so far. I did want to give the credit, you know,
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  Jordan hitting those 10 -yard outs absolutely
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  just killed us all day long. Whenever they needed
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  10 yards on a scenario and then had a couple
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  decent third -down plays. Did you get a chance
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  to see that game, or what was your feeling, Mr.
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  Jacob? Yeah, we got to watch most of it. We were
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  bouncing back and forth between that one and
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  then the Bear Steelers game because we were lucky
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  enough to have both games broadcast at the same
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  time. A little split screen rolling. I like it.
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  Some grandpa's cough syrup just sipping down
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  too. Yeah. That's dumb and dumber if you guys
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  don't know. But so my take out of all of it,
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  Packers played well, don't get me wrong, but
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  there's a lot of, I think there's a lot of criticism
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  and critiquing to be had with the Vikings. Kocene
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  is play calling. The first instance to me was
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  in the second quarter. They had a third and one.
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  Yeah. And then they tried to push it with Hawkinson
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  and didn't get it. didn't like that play no i
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  didn't save that save that for your fourth down
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  play like do just like a normal if you're gonna
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  try and get that one don't try and be cute about
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  it on third down because that's a great play
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  or play action opportunity right there it is
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  on the third down like that then they totally
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  Just wasted that, and then they couldn't get
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  it on fourth and one either. So losing out on
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  that. And then they just got away from running
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  the football. I thought the Vikings were doing
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  a really good job of running the ball with both
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  their backs. They were averaging almost five
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  yards a carry. Even when you're down two scores
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  at 11, they just stopped running the ball. And
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  we're just like, all right, JJ, we need you to
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  try and be our hero. And Green Bay just. teed
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  off on them yeah they started smothering him
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  yeah you could tell uh mccarthy is really looking
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  at the defensive line right now there was multiple
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  plays i was looking on the all 22 or he just
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  completely missed multiple receivers that were
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  wide open in that secondary uh i thought maybe
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  that was gonna be a thing we could key on with
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  the packers kind of coming with a questionable
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  secondary to start the year um how long's jacobs
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  is this probably one week he's out is this what
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  they're looking at yeah i think they did this
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  To get ready for Detroit. I would be surprised
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  if he does not play in Detroit. I think he could
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  have gone on Sunday, but I think it was more
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  out of protecting him and looking at the rest
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  of the season. Getting back to J .J. McCarthy,
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  I think the thing that surprised me watching
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  the game is you look at the very beginning of
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  the game, and they were going to Justin Jefferson.
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  They were getting some really good traction,
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  and there were moments where they would go for
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  the short passing game, which can help offset.
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  a running game if you feel like it's not working
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  or you're struggling patriot ball yeah and they
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  didn't do that so if you're if you're nervous
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  of the rush what are the two biggest ways that
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  you can circumvent that number one is play action
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  number two is this short pass and i felt like
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  they got they went away from that way too quickly
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  and i think that was a huge huge piece for them
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  too he's just holding onto the ball way too long
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  Yeah, especially in that second half. You could
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  see it was really affecting him. Did you guys
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  see that punt, the price? Did you think it was
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  his bad or was it just a bad bounce? I think
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  it was a bad bounce. Yeah, very unlucky, but
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  I would imagine. in viking land that's really
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  difficult too because that's happened a couple
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  times to him over the last few weeks so it's
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  how long do you put them in that position and
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  when does the coach come in and put someone else
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  in yes and i feel like that's really momentum
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  change right there because that was actually
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  we got them to punt you know and then maybe that
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  was our opportunity to get back in the game i
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  think we were down it was four point game at
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  that point yeah and then you guys actually got
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  just a field goal out of that yeah um but after
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  that it just seemed like we were trying to push
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  the issue a little bit you got really downhill
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  so I mean, the Vikings weren't really out of
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  it until the, I don't know, last, what, 10 minutes
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  left on the fourth? Yeah, the Vikings' defense
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  played great. They were on the field too much.
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  That was the problem with them, but, you know.
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  What do you expect out of a Flores defense to
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  show up in that way? And then you can see where
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  the Micah Parsons came off. When you get a team
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  that's down and you know they're passing, that's
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  really when he is the most effective. So Packers
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  win 23 -6. That puts them at 7 -3, and the Vikings
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  are at 4 -7. Let's move on to the next game.
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  We had the Indianapolis Colts versus the Kansas
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  City Chiefs. Chiefs. Sneaking this one out, 23
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  -20 in overtime. I do believe the Colts got up
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  early on that game. I was kind of paying attention
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  more on my phone during that game. What did you
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  think about that game, Jacob? What did you see?
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  All right, Dennis Green quote here. The Colts
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  are who I thought they are. Okay, okay. My thought
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  process has always been with the Colts this year.
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  at eight and two it's like are they legit or
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  not uh but when you look at their record they
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  won't Out of their eight wins, only two of them
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  are against teams with winning records. Everybody
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  else is at or below 500. They played nobody.
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  Exactly. And now they're going to get into the
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  tough end of their schedule now. With Chiefs,
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  you've got two against the Texans still, another
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  one against the Jags. I think we're really going
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  to see at this point who the Colts really are.
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  I felt like they played to not lose the game
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  rather than to play to win it, allowing the Chiefs
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  to come back. uh what they were what up 11 yeah
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  and then allowing them to tie and the chiefs
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  just like had these long drives to just wear
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  out your defense short quick passes hey mccarthy
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  yeah check that out and and that wears out your
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  wears out the defense that plays to their advantage
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  like as soon as it hits overtime that defense
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  that colts defense absolutely gassed and so um
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  with the colts not being able to get any points
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  in their first possession it was super easy then
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  for my homes to just get into field goal range
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  easy peasy yeah there i feel like there's been
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  a couple games when they played better competition
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  when they had opportunity to put the you know
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  close the door nail in the coffin whatever way
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  you want to look at it and they've kind of you
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  know took the took the pedal off the gas and
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  let other teams back in would you was your thought
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  process of that game or how did you view it moving
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  on yeah your team yeah i think jake had some
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  really good points to share i think the the biggest
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  things i saw where they limited Jonathan Taylor.
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  He had 58 rushing yards off of like 18 or 19
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  rushes. He's kind of disappeared a little bit.
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  He had that three -tutty game. You do that and
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  it shows who they are, right? I think that was
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  a big piece. And Jones didn't throw a touchdown
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  after the second quarter. So in the second half,
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  that's where the Chiefs turned it up, their defense
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  turned it up, and they limited them to field
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  goals after the fact. And then to Jake's point,
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  these long drives that kept the defense on the
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  field. I think there was a drive that was almost
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  a quarter is what it felt like. So when the defense
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  is on the field that long, that's going to create
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  issues. You're going to have an offense that's
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  cold. You're going to have a defense that's gassed.
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  And they did just enough playing the clock -managed
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  game to put Mahomes and Andy Reid in a position
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  to win that one. Really impressive win. I don't
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  expect anything else from the Chiefs. Just a
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  really messy, nasty win as they try to get into
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  this playoff picture. Yeah, that puts them at
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  6 -5, drops the Colts down to 8 -3. So, yeah,
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  it's starting to get crunch time. I'm just thinking
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  about my fantasy football. I think we have two
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  weeks left. So, I was like, I mean, the playoffs,
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  you know, usually when they end up fantasy football,
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  it's kind of that do -or -die aspect in the real
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  NFL, too. So, yeah, Chiefs just slowly staying
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  alive. You know, they're in the hunt, getting
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  that playoff. They do have a tough division with
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  some division games. coming up too um getting
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  down early like that i was like oh is this you
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  know the chiefs you know getting them under 500
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  this late in the season it was going to be kind
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  of interesting so yeah um colts yeah they're
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  you know getting a little banged up too the season
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  starting on your best abilities your availability
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  most of the time at this part of the season so
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  agreed yeah dropping them all so we'll uh well
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  four minutes in we'll move around anyways because
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  Sick of talking about the Chiefs. We have the
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  Yinzers Steelers versus the Chicago Bears. The
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  Bears coming out with a victory, 31 -28. Chicago's
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  hot right now. This was an exciting game. It
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  was. I was not expecting this many points. Then
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  the Bears scored 17 unanswered, you know, after
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  trailing 21 to 14. I was kind of obviously cheering
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  for the Steelers just because I'm a NFC North
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  guy. So you always want the division forward
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  to lose. bears in first place what do you think
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  about that packers fan i think if you go and
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  look at who they've played the next three or
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  four weeks will tell a lot about every team in
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  the nfc nope no two weeks two weeks after after
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  detroit circle it on the calendar huh well check
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  this out it's in two weeks and then There's a
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  break. We each play another team, and then we
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  play each other again. So in the span of three
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  weeks, we'll have both of those games done. So
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  you'll know everything you need to know about
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  both teams at that point, just who they are.
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  I think the thing that concerns me, if I'm a
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  Bears fan, is how much you let the Steelers do,
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  knowing what version of the Steelers offense
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  you got. Is that game different if Aaron Rodgers
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  plays? 100 % it's different. Would you agree
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  the same way? Yeah, 100%. Aaron Rodgers still
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  owns the Bears. Still owns them. Mark that down.
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  Owning real estate. what is that uh i'm trying
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  to think of the main road there next to the bean
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  the michigan avenue boom so yeah it was yeah
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  they slowly came back Caleb continuing to get
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  it done. Really unconventional. They did have
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  their backup running back, Kyle. Anyone know
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  how to pronounce that? I keep thinking it's like
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  Menunga or something. Menunga sounds perfect
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  for this thing. And you had old Mason Rudolph
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  coming back and filling in for Aaron Rodgers.
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  Got up early, looked okay in the beginning of
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  the game, and then... Yeah, and then D .J. Moore
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  was just wide open on a couple touchdown passes.
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  I don't know where the Steelers' defense. On
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  another note, though, I did see that T .J. Watt
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  passed his brother J .J. Rod and sacks within
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  the family. I don't know. Was it the Hall of
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  Watts? Hall of Watts, yeah. What a way to do
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  it, though, because it was that strip sack, fumble,
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  touchdown. What an amazing way to do it. Yeah,
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  it was a pretty epic way. I can only imagine
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  that pitcher hanging on his mantle because you
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  know he's going to have it just like Thanksgiving
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  and Christmas. He's going to gift it to his brother.
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  There's the game gift of the year right there.
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  That's awesome. But to get back to the Bears
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  for one second, I've got to give Caleb his flowers.
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  What he is doing with Ben Johnson is remarkable.
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  I think this is the talent everyone saw from
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  Caleb last year. It makes you nervous if you're
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  an NFC North fan of another team just knowing
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  he's got this. in him the only problem is are
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  they going to stay hot at the time that it matters
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  but what they're doing right now is incredible
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  would you rank him above love right now i think
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  right now because there's too much inconsistency
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  i think you have to right man it's a fair take
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  as a whole team as a whole team no but i think
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  him as a person what he's doing he had over 300
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  passing yards and three touchdowns last week
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  i think are pretty close to it so he's he's continuing
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  to show what he can do and i you know i go back
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  to a couple weeks ago i think they were playing
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  the commanders in that comeback game and what
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  he he threw a dime to colston loveland to win
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  the game towards the very end of the game or
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  an ot like he's got that that killer instinct
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  that dna inside of him that is allowing them
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  to continue to win so it's not just these other
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  pieces around him like sometimes you had with
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  goff in detroit it's it's him and they're building
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  around him i think they're building something
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  special and i think the rest of the nfc north's
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  gonna have to to put them back in their place
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  in the cellar where they belong. Yeah, that gets
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  the Bears to 8 -3. I mean, historically, I'm
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  assuming this is probably the best start they've
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  had in a while. Yeah, probably. And then Steelers
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  dropped 6 -5, which now is tied with Jacobs Ravens
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  over there after a 1 -4 start. 1 -5 start. Everyone
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  thought the Ravens were dead and out of it. Guess
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  who's in first place in the AFC North now? No
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  one thought they were out of it. Get off your
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  high horse. We all knew once Lamar came back
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  that they'd be probably a contender. And that
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  was kind of their toughest part of the schedule.
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  We're getting sidetracked on the Ravens here.
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  But where are we at, Kevin? We're at the five
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  -minute mark, so let's move on then because we
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  got more football to talk about here. The Tampa
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  Bay, Tampa Bay Buccaneers versus the L .A. Rams.
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  Rams coming out 34 -7 in a complete domination.
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  What a thumping. I kind of mentally checked out
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  about halftime, which I think everyone put out
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  31 -7 at half. Anything stick out of this game
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  for you, Jacob? So when I was sending my picks
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  over to Smelty last week, I thought that this
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  was going to be like... I thought this was going
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  to be like the game of the week because like
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  Baker Mayfield bucks, that attitude going toe
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  to toe against, I guess right now you're going
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  to argue the best team in the NFL, the Rams and
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  just what kind of like slug fest this was going
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  to be. And then it was just flat. The Rams defense
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  just came out strong. Um, that. Pick six, just
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  ripping it out of Kate Otten's hands and just,
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  like, running it. It was just, like, I think
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  set the tone where it was like, yeah, this is
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  the Rams game tonight. Yeah, they're just vibing
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  right now. And, I mean, Stafford's got to be
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  the MVP. Let me gush over a couple of these guys
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  for a minute. He is 100 % the MVP. What he is
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  doing right now is incredible. And he talked
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  about this a week or two ago. When you go, you
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  know, when you're in the league as long as he
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  is, everything slows down even more. Yes, sir,
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  yeah. We hear that so often, and what he's able
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  to do to these defenses is crazy. I thought their
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  biggest challenge would be Seattle, and he proved
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  me and a lot of people wrong about how they don't
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  have a challenge right now. They haven't faced
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  a challenge. I don't see one on their schedule
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  that's going to do anything until they start
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  to get into some of these. deeper playoff games,
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  maybe even a Super Bowl potentially on the other
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  side. I think they've got it. Devontae Adams,
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  one of the best wide receivers, a little bit
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  biased, but you look at what he does, what he
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  did in that game, it was child's play. He just
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  opens his arms and he's catching two touchdowns.
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  It's absolutely unbelievable. It doesn't matter
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  who's out there for them, who's injured. They
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  have it working. Their coach, their culture,
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  all these guys come around each other, and that
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  defense is built with a bunch of dogs. It doesn't
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  matter who. on the other side, they're getting
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  after you, and they're going to make you look
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  like it's JV High School compared to real men
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  playing out there. Remarkable. Excellent take
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  there, Justin. Yeah, the Rams just came out.
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  I really liked the Devontae's little fade pass
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  that he had. He even didn't have the leverage
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  on the receiver. The guy was totally playing
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  the outside, too. And that just shows his skill
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  set of that release off the line. And then Saffer
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  poured absolutely in a pert. I mean, he could
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  have walked over there and said it any better
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  than that. So, Buccaneers. A little missing Bucky
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  Irvin, you feel? A little running games, a little
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  slower. Maybe Evans' loss is still really some.
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  I thought their defense tried to play okay, but
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  I think they were overmatched, and then they
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  got behind after that pick six, like you said,
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  and then the momentum changed, and then I felt
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  like Baker had to do everything. They didn't
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  have enough. And that defensive line for the
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  Rams, especially that front four when they know
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  they're passing, they're tough. So who's that
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  white guy, 55, Fitzgerald or something like that?
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  Fisker. Fisker, whatever. Yeah, yeah. And he
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  was really good against the run, too. That was
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  really impressive because they didn't get – Tampa
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  Bay got nothing going on the running game to
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  start. But where does that put the old – teams
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  on that so the buccaneers they fall to six and
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  five and the rams are at nine and two with the
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  best record in the nfc the best record in the
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  nfc You're hearing it right here on Gridiron
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  is out this weekend. We are having some snow
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  outside, so he decided to make some snow angels
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  in some parking lots. I think his boss also called
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  him into work. Yeah, that's true. Thanks for
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  Justin and Jacob. We miss you, Smelty. We miss
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  you. We should be live right now so you can hear
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  us. And then the Rams, look, they got Panthers,
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  Cardinals, Lions, Seattle, Falcons, Cardinals.
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  I mean, maybe a loss from the Lions in there
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  or Seattle. But other than that, where would
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  that put them at? Let's say they just lose two.
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  Where were they overall? So 13 -4. Yeah. I mean,
• 20:01
  that's sounding one seed to me for sure. Yeah.
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  So it'll be interesting how they play out. Like
• 20:06
  you were talking about right now, I feel like
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  the only thing that's going to stop the Rams
• 20:10
  is themselves right now. We get a couple fumbles
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  out of Williams. Stafford starts throwing in
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  tighter spots. But, man, that guy still has got
• 20:19
  a gun. Yeah. And he's fun to watch. I kind of
• 20:22
  like to cheer him, even when he was with the
• 20:23
  Lions. I mean, he's kind of that. That dude,
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  he's a real football player. No flops out of
• 20:29
  him. He'll get up and yell in your face. Yeah.
• 20:33
  Big win for the Rams. Really said in the statement,
• 20:35
  like Justin said, is probably the NFC championship,
• 20:39
  one of the contenders right now. So that will
• 20:43
  finish up our five -game recap. We've got some
• 20:47
  news coming up on some other episodes, and we've
• 20:49
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• 21:11
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• 21:13
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