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Wax On, Wax All the Way Off · Yo Gavel Gavel! - Court TV Commentary

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  Speaker 1: This is a Bramble Jam podcast this week on your
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  Speaker 1: gabble gabble.
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  Speaker 2: If someone waxes your skin off instead of just the hair,
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  Speaker 2: can you sue them for the damages?
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  Speaker 1: Judge Gino is gonna get into legal sauce. And if
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  Speaker 1: you're get in a fight with somebody and they take
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  Speaker 1: your glasses and cut you with a knife, can you
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  Speaker 1: assume them. Yeah, Judge mapthis tells us real people you
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  Speaker 1: cases say justice. This is go everybody, Let's dance, Let's dance,
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  Speaker 1: Let's dance. I said, let's go, everybody, Let's dance, Let's dance.
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  Speaker 1: Hi everybody, Welcome back to you. Oh boy, it is
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  Speaker 1: great to be here and it want to be anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: Back in the House of the Lord of the Chamber
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  Speaker 1: of the Chambers. Very simple show. If it is your
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  Speaker 1: first time joining us, thanks for coming. I'm gonna tell
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  Speaker 1: my buddy Dan about a TV courtroom case that I
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  Speaker 1: watched and he's going to try to guess the verdict.
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  Speaker 1: The Dan's gonna be exact same thing to me. And
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  Speaker 1: that's the program. That's the program. I went to mathis,
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  Speaker 1: you went to Mathis. That's my go to I knew
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  Speaker 1: that you weren't attached to mathis, which is rare, and
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  Speaker 1: so I figured this is my chance.
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  Speaker 2: I'm always that's my default. You want to go for
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  Speaker 2: your sort first, I had a personal injury. I want
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  Speaker 2: Eric robertson. Okay, so I want to introduce you to first.
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  Speaker 1: He is suing Julie Johnson Julie Johnson for two thousand,
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  Speaker 1: nine hundred and thirteen dollars big Boy, and Julie Johnson
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  Speaker 1: is countersuing for six hundred and thirty dollars. Okay. Eric
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  Speaker 1: walks in with a tape recorder in his hands, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm very intrigued. The tape recorder is not coming to
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  Speaker 1: play here. Oh and I'm not really sure it looked
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  Speaker 1: like a tape recorder. But whatever it was, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 1: He says that he met Julie through his witness his
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  Speaker 1: witnesses there, yes, and they hung out a few times.
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  Speaker 1: But the more that they hung out and got to
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  Speaker 1: know each other, the more he saw her as a
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  Speaker 1: violent drunk. Oh no, he saw her that way, yes, okay.
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  Speaker 1: At this point, Julie lets at a sound this kind
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  Speaker 1: of like this, okay, and matthis says, did you just burp?
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  Speaker 1: And she says, no, no, it's just completely untrue. I
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  Speaker 1: think it was a laugh, like a math scoff but
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  Speaker 1: Matthis thought it sounded like a burpi, which it did.
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  Speaker 1: Eric says, for instance, we had some friends come over
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  Speaker 1: and some of them got drunk. He claims that Julie
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  Speaker 1: reached under the couch, I don't know what it is,
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  Speaker 1: and grabbed a gun before waving it around, saying, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna bust a cap in someone. This seems like it's
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  Speaker 1: a bigger deal than mathis. It does, but oh well,
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  Speaker 1: it's in Mathe's I'm saying, fascinated at the countersuit if
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  Speaker 1: she admits she did this, and Matthis asks if they
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  Speaker 1: were ever romantic, and he says no, we were never roomant.
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  Speaker 1: Julie says that in the few weeks that I knew Eric,
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  Speaker 1: he completely turned my life upside down. Not in a
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  Speaker 1: good way, Okay, not in a good way. She met
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  Speaker 1: him through a mutual friend and they realized that they
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  Speaker 1: had the same birthday, and so she invited Eric over
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  Speaker 1: for a barbecue that her friend was throwing at one
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  Speaker 1: of their houses, and that's where he showed his true colors,
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  Speaker 1: because in the evening he assaulted me. Oh boy. And
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea, no idea. Why is this after
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  Speaker 1: the gun incident. I don't know the order of these events.
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  Speaker 1: They're all random. Matthis is like, well, so he just
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  Speaker 1: came up to you out of the blue and hit you.
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  Speaker 1: And she says, kicked me, but yes, for no reason.
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  Speaker 1: She says that Gerald was there to witness it. Gerald
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  Speaker 1: is Eric's witness. It's Eric's witness. Yes. So Ma asks
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  Speaker 1: Gerald to stand up, and Gerald says that never happened.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I don't know where she's getting any
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  Speaker 1: of that. You can't do that. She has a witness.
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  Speaker 1: It's very interesting. Anyway. Julie claims that, uh, that was
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  Speaker 1: just the beginning. Eric says that here's what happened that night.
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  Speaker 1: A group of us went to the deli to get
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  Speaker 1: some gyros. That's what he says, though I'm not correcting it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just reading what he says, to get some gyros.
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  Speaker 1: They they got gyro's. I didn't get a gyro. And
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  Speaker 1: Matthew said, is that why you hit her? God math
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  Speaker 1: has come on and he says, you should have gotten
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  Speaker 1: the man of gyro. Please, people, can we just call
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  Speaker 1: it what it Is, and so I gotta be honest,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how this event is related to this
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  Speaker 1: story at all. Okay, we don't come back around, no,
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  Speaker 1: they all right. Eric says that I don't believe in violence,
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  Speaker 1: especially towards women in Mathis says, I I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that you could take her anyway. Okay, all right, and
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  Speaker 1: Eric sticks up for himself and this oh and says,
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  Speaker 1: well that's not true. I could take her. You don't
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  Speaker 1: say that's He's just Mathis has just got you now,
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  Speaker 1: and math Is like, okay, okay, let it go, let
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  Speaker 1: it go. Eric says that it's two twenty in the
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  Speaker 1: morning one night, and me and Gerald's are ready to
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  Speaker 1: go home, and he claims that Julie wanted to go
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  Speaker 1: to what he calls an after hours establishment, which Mathis
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  Speaker 1: gets a big kick out. Of course, Jerald wanted it
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  Speaker 1: to be dropped off at his house on the way
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  Speaker 1: because he didn't want to go to the after hours establishment. Suddenly,
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  Speaker 1: Julie jumps out of the car for no reason. So
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  Speaker 1: I rolled the window down to look back to see
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  Speaker 1: where she's at, and she's already on the other side,
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  Speaker 1: right by me. She claws my face and pulls my
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  Speaker 1: glasses off, so I get out of the car to
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  Speaker 1: get my glasses, but they're broken. Then I see her
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  Speaker 1: pull a knife out of her purse. She swings at me,
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  Speaker 1: cuts my hand which I was using to block my
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  Speaker 1: face as one does. And next thing you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: bleeding like a pig. And Gerald corroborates all this maybe
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  Speaker 1: not the big part. I gotta be honest. He never
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  Speaker 1: we never hear from Gerald. He just shows up to
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  Speaker 1: say she's lying. I don't know. I don't know. But
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  Speaker 1: Gerald was there for what it's worth, and he has
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  Speaker 1: pictures of his hands and hospital bills, it's important and
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  Speaker 1: all that stuff. Julie says, what happened that evening was
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  Speaker 1: this he went to get He wanted to go get
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  Speaker 1: some more drinks. So we all get in the car
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  Speaker 1: and Eric said that he wanted me to go back
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  Speaker 1: to his place, and I said no. So Eric tells
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  Speaker 1: me to get out of the car. It's not very
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  Speaker 1: gentleman like, and he starts freaking out. He's shaking his
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  Speaker 1: face and his glass has come off his face, which
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  Speaker 1: I pick up. And I did keep those from him,
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  Speaker 1: I'll admit it. Yeah, I kept the glasses from him,
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  Speaker 1: which is very smart because he's driving, but whatever. She
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  Speaker 1: then says that Eric began to reach towards into the
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  Speaker 1: center console of the car, which made her very nervous,
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  Speaker 1: and so she begins to jump out of the car,
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  Speaker 1: right okay, And he stops the car gets out, and
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  Speaker 1: he has some sort of he has a knife. So
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  Speaker 1: I begin to call nine to one one and once
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  Speaker 1: he finds out that I'm calling nine one one, he
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  Speaker 1: runs away. And I didn't know a little guy like
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  Speaker 1: that could run that fast. But before he ran away,
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  Speaker 1: he did cut. He cut me, and I have pictures
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  Speaker 1: showing that my thumb was cut. Okay, But does she
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  Speaker 1: admit to cutting his hand? No, that story doesn't like.
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  Speaker 1: But he has pictures in hospital bills. Yes, she says
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  Speaker 1: that it was all him. Okay, so he cut his
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  Speaker 1: own hand. I don't know all. And so she admit
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  Speaker 1: that she was charged with a misdemeanor when the cops
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  Speaker 1: showed up. She was charged with a misdemeanor. She admits
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  Speaker 1: to that, but that she and she pled guilty. But
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  Speaker 1: that's only because you just wanted this traumatic event to
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  Speaker 1: be over. That's all matthis needs to hear, and mathis
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  Speaker 1: is right to rule. Yeah, mathis we like to believe
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  Speaker 1: women around here. It's a pretty good practice. Math has
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  Speaker 1: hurt all he needed to hear. You were charged with
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  Speaker 1: a misdemeanor and pled guilty. That is the beginning and
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  Speaker 1: end of this sentence. Matthis is ruling in favor of
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  Speaker 1: the dude getting the twenty nine hundred dollars for his
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  Speaker 1: hospital bills, no way around it. Yes, but he's not
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  Speaker 1: getting the full them ount really some reason, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: he says. When you plead guilty in court, there's not
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  Speaker 1: much that I can do. I'm giving Eric the medical
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  Speaker 1: bills of four hundred and fifty seven dollars, the glasses
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  Speaker 1: of five hundred and forty six dollars, and then I
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  Speaker 1: guess the rest of it was for like pain and suffering.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I'm going to give you another five hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars for the cuts, fourteen hundred and thirteen dollars to Eric.
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  Speaker 1: To Eric, this was a very much a he said.
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  Speaker 1: She said situation. Uh, but she pled guilty. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: as soon as she did that, it was over. And
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  Speaker 1: I know how this rolls. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: We gotta go to the not the people's court, not
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  Speaker 2: even a little bit we're gonna go to personal injury
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  Speaker 2: court with Judge Gino. Now, brand you and I know
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  Speaker 2: that he never gets it right right, He never gets
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  Speaker 2: he never gets it right, which makes these cases fun
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  Speaker 2: because you get really frustrated at Gina. This is a
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  Speaker 2: fun one. This is a fun one. Marco Ricci, Marco Ricci. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: it's R I C C I. But Gina says mister
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  Speaker 2: Ritchie the whole time. Mister Richie is suing the Elizabeth
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  Speaker 2: Gray salon for ten thousand and medicamouth Gray, the Elizabeth
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  Speaker 2: grayce that's my mom. It's not the same Elizabeth Gray. Though,
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  Speaker 2: that's my mom. Elizabeth Gray's in the courtroom. It is
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  Speaker 2: not your mom.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, uh, the Elizabeth Gray salon for ten thousand medical,
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  Speaker 1: seventy thousand pain and suffering total of eighty large brand
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  Speaker 1: eighty large. Marco Ricci's suing Elizabeth Gray. Here we go. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Marco's a portly fellow, like he's a big dude.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, he us got glasses, button down, shirt on, and
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  Speaker 2: he says, your honor is a software engineer.
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  Speaker 1: I don't get the chance to meet a lot of women.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, He's like I met this wonderful woman named Debbie,
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  Speaker 2: and we started dating. She wanted to go to the beach.
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  Speaker 2: Brett is Brett, It isn't. I don't know that first name,
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  Speaker 2: not Debbie Debbie, that would be crazy up in the house.
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  Speaker 2: I met this wonder a woman named Debbie. We started dating.
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  Speaker 2: She wanted to go to the beach for a weekend.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: In our relationship. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So I started getting self conscious about what he calls
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  Speaker 2: my organic sweater. And then you see a picture of
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  Speaker 2: him shirtless and he's got he's pretty hairy on his body.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, organic, that's funny.
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, my buddy said I needed some manscaping,
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  Speaker 2: and he knew this salon. He set up an appointment
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  Speaker 2: for me to get it taken care of. So now
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  Speaker 2: we meet Elizabeth Gray. Elizabeth says, I'm the owner of
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  Speaker 2: the Grays Alone. We specialize in facial hair and sorry,
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  Speaker 2: in facial and hair removal. I've been in business for
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  Speaker 2: ten years. We do laser, we do electrolysis, we do
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  Speaker 2: sugar waxing. We have a lot of different sugar waxing
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  Speaker 2: for getting the hair off of here.
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  Speaker 1: What's a sugar waxing? I think it's just to make it. It's
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  Speaker 1: not hot wax like, it's a little different. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know sound. She says. Seventy five percent of my clients
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  Speaker 1: are women, but men are more and more coming into
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  Speaker 1: her for grooming, and it's starting to be more of
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  Speaker 1: a cocky thing. She's like, I really believe that I can.
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  Speaker 1: If I can help men and women look beautiful that inside,
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  Speaker 1: it'll help them feel better about themselves. And we go
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  Speaker 1: every over, every step with them before removing any hair.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Marco says, Well, they took me to this
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  Speaker 1: back room with no windows or anything, which I would
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  Speaker 1: contend Marco, is where you want to get your body waxed.
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  Speaker 1: That's true, you don't really want it to be on
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  Speaker 1: like foot traffic. I don't think windows.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I could be wrong, He's like, all I mean
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  Speaker 2: is my boxer's in my robe. The waxer asked me
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  Speaker 2: what my pain tolerance was, and I said average. And
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  Speaker 2: they started with one patch of skin and it hurt
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  Speaker 2: really badly. But I thought it would get easier as
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  Speaker 2: we went on. But that was just not the case.
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to power through. But the third, I think,
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  Speaker 2: he said, the third, The third time she pressed the
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  Speaker 2: paper in, something just felt wrong and I just I
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  Speaker 2: knew it wasn't right. She ripped off the paper. My
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  Speaker 2: skin came off with it.
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  Speaker 1: I looked for the first time my skin came off
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  Speaker 1: with it. It was a mess. I asked if this
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  Speaker 1: was normal. I asked if it was normal. The person
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  Speaker 1: the esthetician said, quit being a baby, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: she said. Now, this seems like it seems like it
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  Speaker 1: should be something that's pretty easy to prove.
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  Speaker 2: We see pictures. It is not normal. Now, I've never
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  Speaker 2: had my body wax, but I am sorry. The skin
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  Speaker 2: is gone. Yeah, you can tell the epidermis is gone.
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  Speaker 2: It is not red because the hair has been ripped out.
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  Speaker 2: It is clearly patches of flesh are gone, like clearly
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  Speaker 2: and judged Gino's like, Miss gray House is supposed to work.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't right, Miss gray says, your honor, That's not
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  Speaker 2: what it's supposed to look like. That's not how it works.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Right at the time of the incident, I was
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  Speaker 1: in my office. One of my estheticians came to me, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: is that gonna We're gonna be okay, power there, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: One of my aestheticians came to me saying she'd provided
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  Speaker 1: a service for a client that he had run out
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  Speaker 1: the door without pink. So he took off running out
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  Speaker 1: the door without pink. Uh, genusis but it's not supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be that way. He's not supposed to look that
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  Speaker 1: way now, she says, your honor is not supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be that way. But it can't happen with that type
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  Speaker 1: of hair move. He just wanted hot wax.
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  Speaker 2: We tried to offer him other options for this removal,
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  Speaker 2: laser Electroli says, sugar wax.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't want anything. I want to be in and out.
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  Speaker 1: Marco says, your honor, I was getting pulled into that
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  Speaker 1: appointment so fast. I was not giving those options. Elizabeth said,
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  Speaker 1: he was given those options, he was not listening, and
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  Speaker 1: he's also not being forthcoming with the entire truth. We
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  Speaker 1: sat him down to make sure he understood his choices,
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  Speaker 1: and he would not listen. Okay, but the choice either,
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  Speaker 1: any choice, shouldn't leave you without says, but hot wax
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  Speaker 1: isn't supposed to do that. Records.
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  Speaker 2: Elizabeth says, we tested a portion of his skin and
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  Speaker 2: it was fine, and he said his pain tolerance was average.
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  Speaker 2: After that test, Marco says, what's your scale of pain?
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  Speaker 2: The Spanish inquisition, so his medical is for second degree burns,
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  Speaker 2: permanent scars. He unbuttons his shirt for the good of us, all.
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  Speaker 1: I guess, and it's still, it's still.
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  Speaker 2: And then he almost breaks down in tears and says
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  Speaker 2: this line, which is just a home run if somebody
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  Speaker 2: scripted this, it's great, your honor. A guy like me
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  Speaker 2: doesn't get too many chances with Debbie's so unburns his
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  Speaker 2: shirt shows the scars. He's like, these scars might keep
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  Speaker 2: me from ever meeting another Debbie Stars Make You Beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently Debbie was cool with Marco until he had the scars.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, we don't hear anyth more about it. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: kept his shirt on during the day. He's like, and
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  Speaker 2: I want to be clear.
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  Speaker 1: I asked her if this was normal, and the estheticians said,
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  Speaker 1: quit being a baby.
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  Speaker 2: So wed is the excess. No, but we get an
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  Speaker 2: expert esthetician to come into the room to the plasma.
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  Speaker 2: She brings in a shirtless dude to actually remove hair
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  Speaker 2: right in the in the thing, so she says, and
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  Speaker 2: all estheticians shake the temp of the wax.
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  Speaker 1: We usually put it on ourselves first. That way we
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  Speaker 1: know exactly what the client is feeling. So that's what
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  Speaker 1: they think. The wax was too hot. Yeah, I try
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  Speaker 1: to understand each client's threshold for pain. There's a twist coming,
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  Speaker 1: don't worry.
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  Speaker 2: I try to understand each client's threshold for pain in
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  Speaker 2: the In the questionnaire that he filled out, he said
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  Speaker 2: that his average for pain and was not in any medication.
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  Speaker 2: That's this guy in the room that they're doing wax, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and not the other guy who also said average. She
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  Speaker 2: rips off a piece of his hair from his chest
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  Speaker 2: and he she really does it, like and he is
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  Speaker 2: like eyes watering. Yes, but again, and I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to keep harping on this, but even if I say
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  Speaker 2: my pain, holler a tent of ten, you cannot take
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  Speaker 2: off my skin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's so.
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  Speaker 2: Gino says, is Marco's reaction typical? And she says, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's not typical. But there are things that he could
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  Speaker 2: have done that could have affected his hair removal. Was
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: he out in the sun before his appointment, did he
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: go out drinking the night before? Did he go to
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  Speaker 2: tanning bed for an extended period of time. These things
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  Speaker 2: would make that happen that are not necessarily the wax
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  Speaker 2: being too hot? Interesting okay, So he asked Marco, were
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: you drinking, taking beds or at the beach beforehand?
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  Speaker 1: Marcus says, no, your honor, So you need to tell
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  Speaker 1: me if you've been drinking. Your skin can get ripped off?
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  Speaker 1: Could it could be could affect the waxing process. So
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  Speaker 1: here's where things get a little murky. Elizabeth has a
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  Speaker 1: disclosure form and a witness with her. Uh uh. The
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  Speaker 1: disclosure form asked the following questions, Uh, have you been
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  Speaker 1: exposed to the sun or considering spending more time in
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  Speaker 1: the sun soon? He put no.
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  Speaker 2: Are you exposed to the sun regularly for your job?
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  Speaker 2: He put no, he's a technician.
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  Speaker 1: Did you use a tanning bed recently for an extended
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: period of time? He said no. Did he use a
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: tanning bed because he wanted to be tanned for Debbie? Yes? Ah.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth A brings in a witness. See, you don't come
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: across many debbies that you don't listen. Listen a guy
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: like me, So he said no to all those things.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: The witness comes in and says she was in the
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: waiting room with him. She overheard him on the phone
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: saying specifically he had just gone to the tanning bed. Oh,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: so he went the appointment to wax, saying, man, Debbie
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: must have been really something.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Jim tan rip your skin off. Marco was like, I
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: didn't have time to read that whole question he or
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: they were dragging me back there. I to signed it
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: so quickly they rushed me through the process. Elizabeth said,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: you're on our esthetician tested the wax on his skin
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: and asked if it was too hot. He said, no,
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Judge Gina is ready to rule.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Listen, I ten, my experience with TV courtroom shows that
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: questionnaire that that legally binding contract is all you need here.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: He wasn't forthcoming about the fact that he had just
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: come from the tanning bed, and so to me, this
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: the the ownership here falls on his shoulders because he
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't honest. The judge gino fricking if I know. I
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: don't know, man, but I'm gonna go with my guy
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say he doesn't deserve any money. He
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: went to the tanning bed. He did not read through
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: the documentation and listen, even if what he is saying
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: is true about them rushing and rushing him back. You
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: are filling out a legally binding contract. You tell them
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: to wait, let me read through this. But like most people,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: especially us men, we don't typically read through it. All
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: that's on us one. He does, you get a dime?
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: You think that wouldn't branle Come on, come on, Gino,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: You can't. Can't You have to do two things blah
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: blah blah. Prove the defendant was wrong, the wrong cause
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: by injuries blah blah blah, fifty percent or more. You
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: get it.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: He says, you have a responsibility to take care of
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: yourself long before you look to someone else for care.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: And part of that is being truthful on a form.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Who do you have all the time in the world
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: to fill out that form. The other part of anything
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: in this realm I don't remember what we said, is
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: professional judgment. It is why an esthetician has to be licensed.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: The esthetician did not put the wax on her own arm.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: We had a witness come in and say, the esthetician
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: practice is to put the wax on your own arm.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: The esthetician didn't do that. Her professional judgment is not
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: relieved based upon his personal misrepresentation. You still must exercise
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: professional judgment and determin whether the wax is too hot
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: or not. This is your fault. He gets it all,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: he gets it all. This guy tanned all morning, went
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: to get hair waxed off, lied on the form and
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: is getting eighty thousand dollars.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I'm done with Gino. I'm done with him. You said
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: it so many times. You'll be going back next week.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I'm done. Wow, you can't, you can't, you can't. So
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: because one ecstasis esthetician eespetitian estetian esthetician that's right, comes
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: in and says that she's supposed to put it on
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: her arm. That that's it. The esthetician didn't exercise professional judgment.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: You should. It's like giving a tattoo. If someone's drunk,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: like or or serving as someone that's been overserved, you
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: should have professional judgment. And if you didn't follow the rules,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: then it's your professional judgment. My problem is is that
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: it was tested. Yeah, and he lied on the form
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: by his own own a mission like in court says yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I went to the taming bit. Yeah, that's the killer
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: for me. I'm one hundred percent with you know is wrong. Listen,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: if if you were to show me paperwork or something
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that from this salon that says, here are the steps
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: by step, and the step by step is to put
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: it on your skin and not the skin of the
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: person that you're doing. That would be something. We have
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: one expert that comes in and says, here's how I
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: do it, and that's the end. All be all crazy crazy, Yeah,
• 21:30
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