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DJT Audio Archive: Republican Debate #2 - Simi Valley, California (September 16, 2015) · Real Donald Trump Wisdom

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The 11 leading Republican candidates for president
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are at their podiums. They are ready to face
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off. And if you've been watching this race, you
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know anything could happen over the next few
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hours. To viewers who are just joining us, welcome
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to the Air Force One Pavilion of the Ronald Reagan
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Presidential Library. Our thanks to the staff
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here and especially to former First Lady Nancy
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Reagan for this impressive setting with Ronald
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Reagan's presidential plane as our backdrop.
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This debate is airing on CNN networks in the
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United States and around the world. It's also
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being broadcast by Salem Radio Network. I know
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every... By Salem Radio Network talk show host
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Hugh Hewitt. He worked in the Reagan administration
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for six years. And by CNN's chief political correspondent,
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Dana Bash. I will ask... Follow -up questions.
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I will attempt to guide the discussion. Candidates,
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I will try to make sure each of you gets your
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fair share of questions. You'll have one minute
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to answer and 30 seconds for follow -ups and
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rebuttals. I'll give you time to respond if you
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have been singled out for criticism. Our viewers
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should know that we have timing lights that are
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visible to the candidates to warn them when their
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time is up. These 11 Republicans are positioned
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on the stage based on their ranking in recent
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national polls. Our goal for this evening? It's
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a debate, a true debate, with candidates addressing
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each other in areas where they differ, where
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they disagree on policy, on politics, on leadership.
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Now, let's begin. I'd like to invite each candidate
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to take 30 seconds to introduce him or herself
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to our audience. First to you, Senator Paul.
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Well, good evening, everyone. I'm an eye surgeon
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from Bowling Green, Kentucky. My wife, Kelly,
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and I have been married for nearly 25 years.
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And I spend my days defending the Constitution
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and the Bill of Rights. I think there's nothing
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more important than understanding that the Constitution
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restrains government, not the people. Thank you.
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I'm Mike Huckabee. I'm delighted to be on this
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stage with some remarkable fellow Republicans.
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None of us are a self -professed socialist. None
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of us on this stage are under investigation.
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for the FBI, because we destroyed government
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records, or because we leak secrets. I know that
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there are some in the Wall Street to Washington
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axis of power who speak of all of us contemptuously.
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But I'm here to say that I think we are, in fact,
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the A -team. We have some remarkable people.
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And in fact, not only are we the A -team, we
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even have our own Mr. T, who doesn't mind saying
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about others, you're a fool. And I'm delighted
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to be here with all of these guys and would put
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any of them in an administration that I led.
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Thank you very much. Thank you. My name is Marco
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Rubio. I'm from Florida. My wife, Jeanette, and
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I are the proud parents. We've been married 17
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years and we're the proud parents of four children,
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two of whom were able to join us here this evening.
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I'm honored to be here at the Reagan Library
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at a place that honors the legacy of a man who
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inspired not just my interest in public service.
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but also our love for country. And I'm also aware
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that California has a drought, and so that's
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why I made sure I brought my own water. Senator
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Cruz? I'm Ted Cruz. I'm the son of an Irish -Italian
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mom and a Cuban immigrant dad who fled oppression
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and came to America seeking freedom. I'm a husband
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to my best friend, Heidi, who's here tonight.
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I'm a dad to two little girls who are the loves
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of my life, Caroline and Catherine. If you're
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fed up with Washington, if you're looking for
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someone to stand up to career politicians in
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both parties, I'm the only one on this stage
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who has done that over and over again. And if
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we stand together, we can bring America back.
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Hi, I'm Ben Carson, and I'm a retired pediatric
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neurosurgeon. I'm here with my wife, Candy, of
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40 years, and two of my sons and their wives.
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I stress the pediatric part of my career because
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the reason that I've gotten involved in this
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race is because I'm very concerned about the
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future of our children. And the direction of
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our country is one that does not portend well
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unless we, the people, intervene and retake our
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rightful place at the pinnacle. And I just want
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to be making clear that I'm grateful to be here
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with all of you again and welcome the addition
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of Carly Fiorina as well. I'm Donald Trump. I
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wrote the art of the deal. I say not in a braggadocious
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way. I've made billions and billions of dollars
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dealing with people all over the world. And I
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want to put whatever that talent is to work for
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this country. So we have great trade deals. We
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make our country rich again. We make it great
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again. We build up our military. We take care
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of our vets. We get rid of Obamacare. And we
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have a great life all together. Thank you. Thank
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you. I'm Jeb Bush, and I believe America is on
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the verge of its greatest century. And I'm ready
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to lead. I'm a committed conservative reformer
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that cut taxes, that balanced budgets, that took
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on the special interests in Florida, and we won.
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I look forward to talking tonight about how we
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can fix a broken Washington, D .C., and create
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an environment where people can rise up again
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in this great country. Thank you. Good evening.
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I'm Scott Walker, and Tonette and I want to thank
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Mrs. Reagan and the Reagan Library for hosting
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us. You see, in my lifetime, the greatest president
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was a governor from California. Ronald Reagan
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knew how to go big and go bold. He understood
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the essence of moving this country forward. And
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that's what I did when I took on the status quo
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in my state and the Washington -based special
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interest. Now, more than ever, America needs
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a leader who will go big and bold again, someone
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who's been tested. I'm ready to be that leader.
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Thank you. Good evening. My story from secretary
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to CEO is only possible in this nation and proves
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that every one of us has potential. My husband,
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Frank, of 30 years, started out driving a tow
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truck for a family -owned auto body shop. We
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have come to a pivotal point in our nation's
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history where this nation's possibilities and
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potential are being crushed by a government grown
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so big, so powerful, so inept, so corrupt. and
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a political class that refuses to do anything
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about it. I am prepared to lead the resurgence
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of this great nation. So I'm John Kasich, the
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governor of Ohio. Emma and Reese, my children
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and Karen, love you girls. Thanks for watching
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tonight. By the way, I think I actually flew
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on this plane with Ronald Reagan when I was a
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congressman. And his goals... And mine, really
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much, pretty much the same. Lift Americans, unify,
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give hope, grow America, and restore it to that
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great shining city on a hill. Yes, he was a great
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one, and I learned much from watching him. The
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most important thing, hope to Americans, unify,
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lift everyone in America. Hi, my name is Chris
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Christie, and I'd like you to take the camera
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off me and put it on the audience, because I'd
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like to ask all of you, how many of you, raise
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your hand, believe that in today's Barack Obama
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America, your children will have a better life
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than you've had? You see, that's why I'm running
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for president, because leadership is not about
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me, it's about our country. And what we talk
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about tonight is not about us, it's about the
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people in the audience tonight. Because in seven
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short years, this president has stripped away
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their trust and their faith and their belief
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that the next generation will have a better life.
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He's stolen that from us. And when I'm president,
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I'm going to take it back. Thank you one and
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all for being here. There are many important
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policy issues facing our nation. We're going
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to get to many of them tonight. But I do want
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to start off with some current events. ...that
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candidates have recently made on the campaign
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trail. Ms. Fiorina, I want to start with you.
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Fellow Republican candidate and Louisiana Governor
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Bobby Jindal has suggested that your party's
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frontrunner, Mr. Donald Trump, would be dangerous
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as president. He said he wouldn't want, quote,
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such a hothead with his finger on the nuclear
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codes. You as well have raised concerns about
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Mr. Trump's temperament. You've dismissed him
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as an entertainer. Would you feel comfortable
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with Donald Trump's finger on the nuclear codes?
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You know, I think Mr. Trump is a wonderful entertainer.
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He's been terrific at that business. I also think
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that one of the benefits of a presidential campaign
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is the character and capability, judgment and
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temperament of every single one of us is revealed
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over time and under pressure. All of us will
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be revealed over time and under pressure. I look
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forward to a long race. You didn't answer my
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question. Would you feel comfortable with Donald
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Trump's finger on the nuclear codes? It's an
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issue that one of your fellow candidates has
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raised. That's not for me to answer. It is for
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the voters of this country to answer. And I have
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a lot of faith in the common sense and good judgment
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of the voters of the United States of America.
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Mr. Trump. First of all, Rand Paul shouldn't
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even be on this stage. He's number 11. He's got
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1 % in the polls. And how he got up here, there's
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far too many people. Anyway, as far as temperament,
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and we all know that, as far as temperament,
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I think I have a great temperament. I built a
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phenomenal business with incredible, iconic assets,
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one of the really, truly great real estate businesses.
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And I may be an entertainer because I've had
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tremendous success with number one bestsellers
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all over the place, with The Apprentice and everything
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else I've done. But I will tell you this, what
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I am far and away greater than an entertainer
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is a businessman, and that's the kind of mindset
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this country needs to bring it back. Because
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we owe $19 trillion right now, $19 trillion,
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and you need this kind of thinking to bring our
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country back. And believe me, my temperament
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is very good, very calm, but we will be respected
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outside of this country. We are not respected
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now. Senator Paul, your name has been invoked.
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I kind of have to laugh when I think, hmm, sounds
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like a non -sequitur. He was asked whether or
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not he would be capable, and it would be in good
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hands to be in charge of the nuclear weapons,
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and all of a sudden there's a sideways attack
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at me. I think that really goes to really the
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judgment. Do we want someone with that kind of
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character, that kind of careless language, to
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be negotiating with Putin? Do we want someone
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like that to be negotiating with Iran? I think
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really there's a sophomore quality that is entertaining
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about Mr. Trump. But I am worried. I'm very concerned
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about having him in charge of the nuclear weapons
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because I think his response, his visceral response
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to attack people on their appearance, short,
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tall, fat, ugly, my goodness, that happened in
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junior high. Are we not way above that? Would
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we not all be worried to have someone like that
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in charge of the nuclear arsenal? Mr. Trump.
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I never attacked him on his look, and believe
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me, there's plenty of subject matter right there.
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That I can tell you. I want to give Mr. Trump...
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Mr. Trump, I want to give you another chance.
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Mr. Trump, I want to give you a chance to respond
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to something that your rival to your left, Governor
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Bush, said. Governor Bush told me last week when
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I... Tell Governor Bush why you are a serious
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candidate and what your qualifications are to
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be Commander -in -Chief. I've actually been in
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politics all my life, although I've been on that
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side as opposed to this side. I'm now a politician
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for about three months. Obviously, I'm doing
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pretty well. I'm number one in every polls by
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a lot. But... The qualification is that I've
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dealt with people all over the world, been successful
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all over the world. Everything I've done virtually
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has been a tremendous success. When markets changed,
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when things turned, I heard Governor Pataki,
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who, by the way, was a failed governor in New
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York, a very seriously failed. He wouldn't be
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elected dog catcher right now. I heard what he
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had to say. And I will tell you this. atlantic
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city i made a tremendous amount of money in atlantic
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city i left seven years ago i've gotten great
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credit for my timing and that's what i'm all
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about i'm a businessman did really well really
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well and jeb what i want to do is put that ability
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into this country to make our country rich again
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and i can do that and i'm not sure that anybody
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else in the group will be able to do that governor
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bush would you be comfortable with donald trump's
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finger on the nuclear codes i think the voters
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will make that determination but what i know
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to be true is that the next president of the
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United States is going to have to fix an extraordinarily
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difficult situation. This administration, with
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President Obama and Hillary Clinton, has created
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insecurity the likes of which we never would
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have imagined. There's not a place in the world
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where we're better off today than six and a half
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years ago. And that requires a steadiness. That
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requires an understanding of how the world works.
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That requires an understanding and appreciation
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of American leadership in the world. You can't
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just, you know... Talk about this stuff and insult
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leaders around the world and expect a good result.
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You have to do this with a steady hand, and I
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believe I have those skills. Jake, this is actually
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what's wrong with this debate. We're not talking
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about real issues. And Mr. Trump, we don't need
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an apprentice in the White House. We don't need
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an apprentice in the White House. We have one
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right now. He told us all the things we wanted
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to hear back in 2008. We don't know who you are
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or where you're going. We need someone who can
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actually get the job done. And you talked about
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business. Well, in Wisconsin, you're losing $2
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.2 billion right now. I would do so much better
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than that. Mr. Trump, you're using the talking
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points of the Democrats. And as we all know,
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that failed three times. in four and a half years
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when i got elected because it is working we balanced
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the budget you want to talk about balanced budgets
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you took four major projects into bankruptcy
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over and over and over again that's what's wrong
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with the politicians in washington right now
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they think we can take a country into bankruptcy
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your business leader has used the i never went
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bankrupt by the way you know everybody knows
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but we have hundreds of companies hundreds of
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deals i've used the law four times made A tremendous
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thing. I'm in business. I did a very good job.
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But I will say this, and people are very, very
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impressed with what I've done, the business people.
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But when the folks of Iowa found out the true
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facts of the job that you've done in Wisconsin,
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all of a sudden, you tubed. He was number one.
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Now he's number six or seven in the polls. So,
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look, we brought it out. You were supposed to
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make a billion dollars in the state. you lost
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2 .2 you have right now a huge budget deficit
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that's not a democratic point that's a point
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that's a fact and when the people of iowa found
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that out i went to number one and you went down
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the tubes governor walker yeah absolutely i'll
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take this out because this is an issue that's
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important in this race just because he says it
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doesn't make it true the facts are the facts
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we bounced a 3 .6 billion dollar budget deficit
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We did it by cutting taxes $4 .7 billion to help
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working families, family farmers, small business
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owners, and senior citizens. And it's about time
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people in America stand up and take note of this.
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If you want someone who can actually take on
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the special interests of Washington, which you
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yourself just said you were part of, using the
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system, we need someone who's going to stand
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up and fight for average Americans to put them
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back in charge of the government. I'm the one
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who's taking that on. I'll do that as your next
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president. Let's move on. A phenomenon going
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on in the race right now is that the police...
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I mean, people at home want to know across this
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country, they want to know what we're going to
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do to fix this place, how we're going to balance
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a budget. how we're going to create more economic
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growth, how we're going to pay down the debt,
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what we're going to do to strengthen the military.
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So we've just spent 10 minutes here. We have
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a lot of issues coming up, sir. Well, but wait
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a minute. With a lot of en hominem. Now, I know
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that it may be buzzing out there, but I think
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it's important we get to the issues, because
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that's what the people want, and they don't want
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all this fighting. is that the political outsiders
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in the race, Dr. Carson, Donald Trump, Carly
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Fiorina, all together have majority support in
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the polls. Governor Christie, I want to ask you
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about something that Dr. Carson said the other
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day. Dr. Carson said campaigning is easier for
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him because he's not a politician. He can just
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tell the truth, therefore, while politicians,
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quote, have their finger in the air to see and
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do what is politically expedient. Governor Christie,
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tell Dr. Carson, is that a fair description of
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you? Well, I know Ben doesn't think that about
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me. I'm sure he was talking about one of the
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other guys, not me. And as far as being an outsider
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is concerned, as far as being an outsider is
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concerned, let me tell you this, Jake. I am a
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Republican in New Jersey. I wake up every morning
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as an outsider. I wake up every morning with
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a Democratic legislature who's trying to beat
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my head in and fight me because I'm trying to
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bring conservative change to a state that needed
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it desperately. And so everyone can talk up here
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about their credentials, but the bottom line
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is every morning I get up, I vetoed 400 bills
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from a crazy liberal Democratic legislature.
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Not one of them has been overridden. I vetoed
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more tax increases than any governor in American
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history, according to Americans for Tax Reform.
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What folks want in this country is somebody to
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go down there and get the job done. And that's
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exactly what I'll do. So I know this much, that
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what American people want to hire right now is
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somebody who believes in them. and believes that
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they are the ones who can fix our country. I
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will be the vessel through which they can fix
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this country. But it's not about me. It's about
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all of you and getting this government off your
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back and out of your way and letting you succeed.
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So I know that Ben wasn't talking about me. Look
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at him smiling at me right now. I know Ben didn't
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mean it about me. Thank you, Governor Christie.
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One of these other guys, I'm sure. Dr. Carson,
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who were you thinking about on this stage when
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you said that? Be honest, Ben. Be honest. And
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more broadly, is experience in government not
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important for a president to have? Typically,
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politicians do things that are politically expedient.
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and they are looking for whatever their particular
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goal is. The reason that I have gotten into this
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thing, I am extraordinarily concerned about the
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direction of this country, the divisiveness that
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is going on, the fiscal irresponsibility, the
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failure to take a leadership position in the
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world. All of those things will lead to a situation
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where the next generation will not have a chance.
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that we've had now so i don't uh i don't want
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to really get into describing who's a politician
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and who's not a politician but i think the people
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have kind of made that decision for themselves
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already and will continue to do so as time goes
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on thank you dr carson it wasn't me jake i'm
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not sure i'll tell you why people are supporting
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outsiders it's because you know what happens
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if someone's been in a system their whole life
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They don't know how broken the system is. A fish
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swims in water. It doesn't know it's water. It's
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not that politicians are bad people. It's that
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they've been in that system for... ever the truth
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is 75 percent of the american people think the
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government is corrupt 82 percent of the american
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people think these problems that have festered
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for 50 years in some cases 25 years and in other
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cases the border's been insecure for 25 years
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307 000 veterans have died waiting for health
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care these things have gone on for so long because
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no one will challenge the status quo you know
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what a leader does they challenge the status
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quo they saw problems that have festered for
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a long time, and they produce results. That is
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what my whole life has been about. People know
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this is about far more than replacing a D with
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an R. This is about changing the system. Thank
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you. Thank you, Ms. Farina. Governor Bush, in
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addition to the fact that he's an outsider, one
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of the reasons Mr. Trump is a frontrunner, Republican
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voters say, is because they like the fact that
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he is not bought and paid for by wealthy donors.
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Mr. Trump has repeatedly said that the $100 million
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you've raised for your campaign makes you a puppet
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for your donors. Are you? No, absolutely not.
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People are supporting me because I have a proven
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record of conservative leadership. I cut taxes
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$19 billion over eight years. We shrunk the state
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government workforce. We created a climate that
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led the nation in job growth seven out of eight
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years. We were one of two states to go to AAA
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bond rating. People know that we need principle
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-centered leadership, a disruptor to go to Washington,
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D .C. The one guy that had some special interests
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that I know of that tried to get me to change
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my views on something that was generous and gave
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me money was Donald Trump. He wanted casino gambling
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in Florida. I didn't want it. Yes, you did. Totally
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false. You wanted it, and you didn't get it.
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I would have gotten it. Because I was opposed
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to casino gambling before, during, and after.
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And that's not, I'm not going to be bought by
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anything. I promise, if I wanted it, I would
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have gotten it. No way, Ben. Believe me. Nope.
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I know my people. Not even possible. I know my
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people. Is there anything else you want to say
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about this? No, I just will tell you that, you
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know, Jeb made the statement. I'm not only referring
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to him. A lot of money was raised by a lot of
22:09
different people that are standing up here. And
22:11
the donors, the special interests, the lobbyists
22:14
have very strong power over these people. I'm
22:17
spending all of my money. I'm not spending, I'm
22:20
not getting any. I turned down, I turned down
22:22
so much. I could have right now from special
22:25
interests and donors, I could have double and
22:27
triple what he's got. I've turned it down. I've
22:30
turned down last week $5 million from somebody.
22:33
So I will tell you, I understand the game. I've
22:36
been on the other side all of my life. And they
22:40
have a lot of control over our politicians. And
22:43
I don't say that favorably. And I'm not sure
22:46
if there's another system. But I say this, I
22:49
am not accepting any money from anybody. Nobody
22:52
has control of me other than the people of this
22:55
country. I'm going to do the right thing. You
22:57
got, according to what you said on one of the
23:00
talk shows, you got Hillary Clinton to go to
23:02
your wedding. That's true. Because you gave her
23:04
money. Maybe it works for Hillary Clinton. It
23:07
doesn't work for anybody on this stage. I was
23:09
a businessman. I got along with Clinton. I got
23:11
along with everybody. That was my job, to get
23:13
along with people. But the simple fact is...
23:14
Excuse me. One second. No. The simple fact is,
23:17
Donald, you cannot take... More energy tonight.
23:19
I like that. Look. I was asked the question.
23:21
I didn't want... It was my obligation. As a businessman,
23:27
to my family, to my company, to my employees,
23:30
to get along with all politicians. I got along
23:32
with all of them, and I did a damn good job in
23:35
doing it. Go ahead. So, he supports Pelosi, he
23:38
supports Schumer, he supports Clinton. Got along
23:40
with everybody. And when he asked Florida to
23:44
have casino gambling, we said no. Wrong. We said
23:47
no, and that's the simple fact. Don't make things
23:49
up, Jim. Don't cut me off, sir. Come on, don't
23:51
make things up. Jake, can I say something about
23:53
that? Sure, Dr. Carson. You know, when I entered
23:57
this race, all the political pundits said, it's
23:59
impossible, you can't do it, because you're not
24:02
connected with the money, and there's no way
24:05
that you can raise what you need in order to
24:08
compete successfully. I, in no way, am willing
24:12
to get in the bed with special interest groups
24:14
or lick the boots of billionaires. I have said
24:18
to the people, if they want me to do this, please
24:21
get involved. and we now have over 500 ,000 donations,
24:25
and the money is coming in. But the pundits forgot
24:29
about one thing, and that is the people, and
24:31
they are really in charge. Thank you, Dr. Carson.
24:33
Let's move to Russia, if we could. Russia is
24:36
sending troops and tanks into Syria right now
24:38
to prop up a U .S. enemy, Bashar al -Assad. President
24:41
Obama's incoming top general says, quote, Russia
24:44
presents the greatest threat to our national
24:46
security. Mr. Trump, you say you can do business
24:49
with President Vladimir Putin. You say you will
24:51
get along, quote, very well. What would you do
24:54
right now if you were president to get the Russians
24:57
out of Syria? So, number one, they have to respect
25:00
you. He has absolutely no respect for President
25:04
Obama. Zero. Syria is a mess. You look at what's
25:08
going on with ISIS in there. Now think of this.
25:10
We're fighting ISIS. ISIS wants to fight Syria.
25:13
Why are we fighting ISIS in Syria? Let them fight
25:16
each other and pick up the remnants. I would
25:19
talk to him. I would get along with him. I believe,
25:21
and I may be wrong, in which case I'd probably
25:23
have to take a different path, but I would get
25:26
along with a lot of the world leaders that this
25:28
country is not getting along with. We don't get
25:30
along with China. we don't get along with the
25:32
heads of mexico we don't get along with anybody
25:35
and yet at the same time they rip us left and
25:39
right they take advantage of us economically
25:41
in every other way we get along with nobody i
25:44
will get along i think with putin and i will
25:46
get along with others and we will have a much
25:49
more stable stable world so you just to clarify
25:53
the only answer i heard to the question i asked
25:56
is that you would you would reach out to Vladimir
25:58
Putin and you would do what? I believe that I
26:00
will get along. We will do between that, Ukraine,
26:03
all of the other problems. We won't have the
26:06
kind of problems that our country has right now
26:08
with Russia and many other nations. Senator Rubio,
26:11
you've taken a very different approach to the
26:13
question of Russia. You've called Vladimir Putin
26:16
a, quote, gangster. Why would President Rubio's
26:20
approach be more effective than President Trump's?
26:22
Well, first of all, I have an understanding of
26:24
exactly what it is Russia and Putin are doing.
26:26
And it's pretty straightforward. He wants to
26:28
reposition Russia once again as a geopolitical
26:30
force. He himself said that the destruction of
26:32
the Soviet Union, the fall of the Soviet Union,
26:34
was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of
26:37
the 20th century. And now he's trying to reverse
26:39
that. He's trying to destroy NATO. And this is
26:41
what this is a part of. He is exploiting a vacuum
26:43
that this administration has left in the Middle
26:45
East. Here's what you're going to see in the
26:47
next few weeks. The Russians will begin to fly
26:49
combat missions in that region, not just targeting
26:51
ISIS, but in order to prop up Assad. He will
26:54
also then turn to other countries in the region
26:56
and say, America is no longer a reliable ally,
26:58
Egypt. America is no longer a reliable ally,
27:01
Saudi Arabia. Begin to rely on us. What he is
27:03
doing is he is trying to replace us as the single
27:06
most important power broker in the Middle East.
27:08
And this president is allowing it. That is what
27:10
is happening in the Middle East. That's what's
27:12
happening with Russia. Thank you, Senator. I
27:13
want to bring in Carly Fiorina. Ms. Fiorina.
27:18
Having met Vladimir Putin, I wouldn't talk to
27:23
him at all. We've talked way too much to him.
27:25
What I would do immediately is begin rebuilding
27:27
the Sixth Fleet. I would begin rebuilding the
27:30
missile defense program in Poland. I would conduct
27:32
regular aggressive military exercises in the
27:35
Baltic states. I'd probably send a few thousand
27:37
more troops into Germany. Vladimir Putin would
27:39
get the message. By the way, the reason it is
27:41
so critically important that every one of us
27:44
know General Soleimani's name is because Russia
27:47
is in... Syria right now because the head of
27:51
the Quds Force traveled to Russia and talked
27:53
Vladimir Putin into aligning themselves with
27:56
Iran and Syria to prop up Bashar al -Assad. Russia
28:00
is a bad actor. But Vladimir Putin is someone
28:03
we should not talk to because the only way he
28:06
will stop is to sense strength and resolve on
28:10
the other side. And we have all of that within
28:13
our control. We could rebuild the Sixth Fleet.
28:16
I will. We haven't. We could rebuild the missile
28:18
defense program. We haven't. I will. We could
28:21
also, to Senator Rubio's point, give the Egyptians
28:24
what they've asked for, which is intelligence.
28:26
We could give the Jordanians what they've asked
28:28
for, bombs and materiel. We have not supplied
28:31
it. I will. We could arm the Kurds. They've been
28:33
asking us for three years. All of this is within
28:35
our control. Thank you, Ms. Fiorina. While you
28:39
brought up the subject of General Soleimani of
28:41
the Quds Forces from Iran, the next president,
28:44
no matter who he or she may be, will inherit
28:46
President Obama's Iran deal. Senator Cruz, Governor
28:50
Kasich says that anyone who is promising to rip
28:53
up the Iran deal on day one, as you have promised
28:56
to do, is, quote, inexperienced and, quote, playing
29:00
to a crowd. Respond to Governor Kasich, please.
29:04
Well, let me tell you, Jake, the single biggest
29:05
national security threat facing America right
29:08
now is the threat of a nuclear Iran. We've seen
29:11
six and a half years of President Obama leading
29:14
from behind. Weakness is provocative, and this
29:17
Iranian nuclear deal is nothing short of catastrophic.
29:21
This deal on its face will send over $100 billion
29:24
to the Ayatollah Khamenei, making the Obama administration
29:28
the world's leading financier. of radical Islamic
29:32
terrorism. This deal abandons four American hostages
29:35
in Iran, and this deal will only accelerate Iran's
29:38
acquiring nuclear weapons. You better believe
29:40
it. If I am elected president on the very first
29:43
day in office, I will rip to shreds this catastrophic
29:47
Iranian nuclear deal. why is that not as governor
29:51
Kasich says playing to the crowd and an example
29:54
of you being inexperienced well let's be clear
29:56
when it comes to experience what President Obama
29:58
wants to do is he's run to the United Nations
30:00
and he wants to use the United Nations to bind
30:03
the United States and take away our sovereignty
30:06
Well, I spent five and a half years as the Solicitor
30:08
General of Texas, the lead lawyer for the state
30:10
in front of the U .S. Supreme Court. And I went
30:12
in front of the Supreme Court and took on the
30:15
world court in the United Nations in a case called
30:17
Medellin versus Texas. And we won an historic
30:20
victory saying the world court in the U .N. has
30:23
no power to bind the United States and no president
30:26
of the United States, Republican or Democrat,
30:29
has the authority to give away our sovereignty.
30:31
And so if there's anyone up here. who would be
30:34
bound by this catastrophic deal with Iran. They're
30:37
giving up the core responsibility of commander
30:39
-in -chief and as president. I would never do
30:42
that. Governor Kasich, did Senator Cruz just
30:44
play to the crowd? Let me just say this. First
30:47
of all, I think it's a bad agreement. I would
30:48
never have done it. But, you know, a lot of our
30:51
problems in the world today is that we don't
30:52
have the relationship with our allies. If we
30:54
want to go everywhere alone, we will not have
30:56
the strength as if we can rebuild our relationships
30:59
with our allies. Now, this agreement... We don't
31:02
know what's going to happen in 18 months. I served
31:04
on the Defense Committee for 18 years. I've seen
31:07
lots of issues in foreign affairs and in terms
31:10
of global politics. You have to be steady. Now,
31:13
if they cheat, we slap the sanctions back on.
31:16
If they help Hamas and Hezbollah, we slap the
31:19
sanctions back on. And if we find out that they
31:21
may be developing a nuclear weapon, then the
31:23
military option is on the table. We are stronger
31:26
when we work with the Western civilization, our
31:28
friends in Europe, and just doing it on our own.
31:31
I don't think is the right policy. I want to
31:35
go to Senator Paul. Senator Paul, the White House
31:37
is rolling out the red carpet next week for the
31:39
president of China, President Xi. Governor Walker
31:42
says that President Obama should cancel the state
31:44
dinner because of China's currency manipulation
31:46
and because of China's alleged cyber attacks
31:49
against the United States. Is Governor Walker
31:51
right? I think this goes back to essentially
31:54
what we've been saying for the last two or three
31:56
questions. Carly Fiorina also said we're not
31:59
going to talk with Putin. Well, think if Reagan
32:01
had said that during the Cold War. We continue
32:03
to talk with the Russians throughout the Cold
32:05
War, which is much more significant than where
32:07
we are now. Should we continue to talk with Iran?
32:10
Yes. Should we cut up the agreement immediately?
32:13
That's absurd. Wouldn't you want to know if they've
32:15
complied? Now, I'm going to vote against the
32:17
agreement because I don't think there's significant
32:19
leverage. But it doesn't mean that I would immediately
32:22
not look at the agreement and cut it up without
32:24
looking to see whether Iran is complying. The
32:26
same goes with China. I don't think we need to
32:29
be rash. I don't think we need to be reckless.
32:32
And I think we need to leave lines of communication
32:35
open. Often we talk about whether we should be
32:37
engaged in the world. We're disengaged in the
32:40
world. And I think this is an example of some
32:43
who want to isolate us, actually, and not be
32:45
engaged. We do need to be engaged with Russia.
32:48
It doesn't mean we give them a free pass or China
32:50
a free pass. But to be engaged means to continue
32:53
to talk. We did throughout the Cold War, and
32:54
it would be a big mistake not to do it. Governor
32:56
Walker, Senator Paul seems to suggest that canceling
32:59
the state dinner would be rash and reckless.
33:01
Two parts to that. One on China, one back for
33:04
a second on Iran. When it comes to China, why
33:06
would we be giving an official state visit to
33:08
a country that's been involved in a massive cyber
33:11
attack against the United States? That's not
33:13
just a visit. That's a 21 -gun salute in the
33:15
South Lawn of the White House. It just doesn't
33:17
make any sense. If we're ever going to send a
33:19
message to them, wouldn't this be the time when
33:21
they issued this sort of massive attack against
33:22
us? And, Jake, for the question, I was one of
33:25
the first ones to call for terminating the bad
33:27
deal with Iran on day one. The president came
33:29
after me and said, I need to bone up. You know,
33:31
the president, who called ISIS the JV squad,
33:33
said, I need to bone up. The reality is it's
33:35
a bad deal on day one, and it's a bad deal because
33:38
this president has allowed Iran to go closer
33:40
and closer. I'd love to play cards with this
33:42
guy. Because Barack Obama folds on everything
33:44
with Iran. We need a leader who's going to stand
33:46
up and actually... Governor Bush, your father
33:49
was the chief diplomatic envoy to China back
33:52
when Nixon opened relations to China. Is Scott
33:56
Walker's approach the right one, canceling the
33:58
state dinner? No, I don't think so, but we need
34:00
to be strong against China. We should use offensive
34:03
tactics as it relates to cybersecurity to send
34:06
a deterrent signal. to China. There should be
34:08
safer sanctions than what President Obama has
34:11
proposed. There's many other tools that we have
34:14
without canceling a dinner. That's not going
34:17
to change anything. But we can be much stronger
34:20
as it relates to that. And as it relates to Iran,
34:22
it's not a strategy to tear up an agreement.
34:24
A strategy would be, how do we confront Iran?
34:27
And the first thing that we need to do is to
34:29
reestablish our commitment to Israel, which has
34:32
been tattered by this administration, and make
34:34
sure that they have the most sophisticated weapons
34:36
to send a signal to Iran that we have Israel's
34:40
back. If we do that, it's going to create a healthier
34:42
deterrent effect than anything else I can think
34:45
of. I want to turn to Governor Huckabee, who
34:47
has been very patient. Somebody had to be 11th,
34:50
and he is. But I do want to change the subject
34:52
to the event that you had a meeting. I would
34:54
certainly love to get in on this. You can use
34:57
your minute however you want, but I want to ask
34:58
this question. I've been patiently waiting, and
34:59
I'm going to just say this about Iran. All right,
35:01
sir, go ahead. Because I think it is incredibly
35:03
important. This is really about the survival
35:06
of Western civilization. This is not just a little
35:09
conflict with a Middle Eastern country that we've
35:12
just now given over $100 billion to. The equivalent
35:16
in U .S. terms is $5 trillion. This threatens
35:19
Israel immediately. This threatens the entire
35:22
Middle East, but it threatens the United States
35:24
of America. And we can't treat a nuclear Iranian
35:29
government as if it is just some government that
35:33
would like to have some power. This is a government
35:36
that for 36 years has killed Americans. They've
35:39
kidnapped Americans. They've maimed Americans.
35:42
They have sponsored terrorist groups, Hamas and
35:45
Hezbollah. the very essence of Western civilization,
35:52
to give them this agreement that the president
35:55
treats like the Magna Carta, but the Iranians
35:59
treat it like it's toilet paper. And we must
36:02
simply make it very clear that the next president,
36:06
one of us on this stage, will absolutely not
36:09
honor that agreement and will destroy it and
36:11
will be tough with Iran because otherwise we
36:13
put every person in this world in a very dangerous
36:15
place. Jake, I'd like a reply. We're going to
36:18
turn now to Hugh Hewitt from Salem Radio Network.
36:21
Thank you, Jake. Mr. Trump, two years ago, President
36:25
Obama drew a red line that the Syrian dictator
36:27
Bashar Assad crossed. President Obama threatened
36:31
to strike. He did not. His knee's buckled. We
36:34
now have four million refugees. Syria is a living
36:36
hell. And he turned to the Congress for the authority
36:39
to back him up. You have three senators to your
36:42
right who said no. Do they bear responsibility
36:44
for this refugee crisis? And what would you have
36:46
done when Bashir Assad crossed that line? Number
36:49
one, I wouldn't have drawn the line, but once
36:51
he drew it, he had no choice but to go across.
36:53
They do bear some responsibility, but I think
36:55
he probably didn't do it not for that reason.
36:59
Somehow he just doesn't have courage. There's
37:03
something missing from our president. Had he
37:06
crossed the line and really gone in with force
37:09
and done something to Assad, if he had gone in
37:13
you with tremendous force, you wouldn't have
37:16
millions of people displaced. How much responsibility,
37:20
Mr. Trump, do the senators hold? I think they
37:22
had a responsibility, absolutely. I think we
37:24
have three of them here. Senator Rubio? I think
37:25
they had a responsibility, yes. Senator Rubio,
37:28
we have zero responsibility because let's remember
37:30
what the president said. He said the attack that
37:32
he was going to conduct was going to be a pinprick.
37:34
Well, the United States military was not built
37:37
to conduct pinprick attacks. If the United States
37:39
military is going to be engaged by a commander
37:41
-in -chief, it should only be engaged in an endeavor
37:43
to win. And we're not going to authorize use
37:46
of force if you're not putting men and women
37:47
in a position where they can win. And quite frankly,
37:50
people don't trust this president as commander
37:52
in chief because of that. I think this gets to
38:00
the point of wisdom on when we should intervene
38:02
and when we shouldn't. Had we bombed Assad at
38:05
the time, like President Obama wanted, like Hillary
38:07
Clinton wanted, and like many Republicans wanted,
38:10
I think ISIS would be in Damascus today. I think
38:13
ISIS would be in charge of Syria had we bombed
38:15
Assad. Sometimes both sides of a civil war are
38:18
evil, and sometimes intervention makes us less
38:21
safe. This is the real debate we have to have
38:23
in the Middle East. Every time we've toppled
38:25
a secular dictator... We've gotten chaos, the
38:28
rise of radical Islam, and we're more at risk.
38:31
So I think we need to think before we act and
38:33
know that most interventions, if not a lot of
38:35
them in the Middle East, have actually backfired
38:37
on us. Thank you, Senator Paul. I want to turn
38:39
now to my colleague, Dana Bash. Hold on a second,
38:41
Jake. He asked me as well. I'd like to actually
38:43
get a chance to respond. Go ahead, sir. That
38:44
would be fair. You're right. You're right. You're
38:45
the third senator. I think I'm the first senator.
38:50
The number one test for use of military force
38:53
should be the vital national security interest
38:55
of the United States. The reason why I oppose
38:58
President Obama bombing Syria is because he couldn't
39:01
answer the question, what do you do if chemical
39:03
weapons end up in the hands of radical Islamic
39:05
terrorists like al -Nusra, like al -Qaeda, like
39:08
ISIS? Now, I also want to respond to several
39:12
of the folks up here who said, we should trust
39:14
this Iranian deal and see if the Iranians will
39:17
comply. Anyone who's paying attention to what
39:19
Khamenei says knows that they will not comply.
39:22
There's a reason Khamenei refers to Israel as
39:25
the little Satan. And America is the great Satan.
39:28
In the middle of negotiating this treaty, Khamenei
39:33
led the assembled masses in chanting, Death to
39:36
America. I'm reminded of a great editorial cartoon.
39:39
It shows the Ayatollah Khamenei saying, Death
39:42
to all Americans. And then it shows John Kerry
39:45
coming back saying, Can we meet you halfway?
39:50
We need a commander -in -chief who will stand
39:52
up and protect this country. And I'll tell you,
39:54
I can't wait. to stand on that debate stage with
39:57
Hillary Clinton and to make abundantly clear,
39:59
if you vote for Hillary, you are voting for the
40:01
Ayatollah Khamenei to possess a nuclear weapon.
40:04
And if you elect me as president, under no circumstances
40:07
will a theocratic Ayatollah who chanced death
40:10
to America ever be allowed to acquire a nuclear
40:13
weapon. Jay, you haven't heard. Jay, you haven't
40:15
heard. Jay, I want to... We're going to go to
40:17
Dan and Bash. No, no, no. I want to say something
40:19
about what the senator just said. And then it'll
40:22
be my turn. No one is... Let me suggest to you.
40:25
We believe that we operate better in the world
40:28
when our allies work with us. President Bush
40:31
did it in the Gulf War. We work better when we
40:34
are unified. Secondly, nobody's trusting Iran.
40:37
They violate the deal. We put on the sanctions.
40:40
We have the high moral ground to talk to our
40:42
allies in Europe to get them to go with us. If
40:44
they don't go with us, we slap the sanctions
40:46
on anyway. If they fund these radical groups
40:49
that threaten Israel and all the West. then we
40:51
should rip up the deal and put the sanctions
40:53
back on it. Let me make it clear. If we think
40:57
they're getting close to developing a nuclear
41:00
weapon and we get that information, you better
41:02
believe that I would do everything in my power
41:04
as the commander -in -chief to stop... them having
41:07
a nuclear weapon. We can have it and we can have
41:10
our allies and we can be strong as a country
41:12
and we can project across this globe with unity,
41:16
not just doing it alone. That is not what gets
41:19
us where we want to get as a nation. Senator
41:21
Cruz. Jake, there is no more important topic
41:23
in 2016 than this topic right here. And I've
41:26
listened to several folks saying, well, gosh,
41:28
if they cheat, we'll act. We won't know. Under
41:31
this agreement, there are several facilities
41:33
in Iran they designate as military facilities.
41:36
that are off -limits altogether. Beyond that,
41:38
the other facilities, we give them 24 days' notice
41:41
before inspecting them. That is designed to allow
41:44
them to hide the evidence. And most astonishingly,
41:47
this agreement trusts the Iranians to inspect
41:50
themselves. That makes no sense whatsoever. And
41:55
let me note, President Obama is violating federal
41:57
law. by not handing over the side deals and we
42:00
ought to see the united states congress stand
42:02
up together and say hand over this treaty and
42:05
protect this country thank you senator i want
42:06
to turn back to governor huckabee i want to turn
42:09
back to governor huckabee governor huckabee last
42:11
week you held a rally for a county clerk in kentucky
42:14
who was jailed for refusing to issue marriage
42:16
licenses to same -sex couples as i don't need
42:18
to tell you you've called what happened to kim
42:21
davis that clerk an example of the criminalization
42:24
of Christianity. There are several people on
42:27
the stage who disagree with you. Governor Bush,
42:30
for example, says that that clerk is sworn to
42:32
uphold the law. Is Governor Bush on the wrong
42:35
side of the criminalization of Christianity?
42:37
No, I don't think he's on the wrong side of such
42:40
an issue. Jeb is a friend. I'm not up here to
42:42
fight with Jeb or to fight with anybody else.
42:44
But I am here to fight for somebody who is a
42:46
county clerk elected under the Kentucky Constitution.
42:50
It's 75 % of the people of that state had voted
42:52
for that said that marriage was between a man
42:54
and a woman. The Supreme Court, in a very, very
42:57
divided decision, decided out of thin air that
43:01
they were just going to redefine marriage. It's
43:03
a decision that the other justices in dissent
43:05
said they didn't have and there wasn't a constitutional
43:07
shred of capacity for them to do it. I thought
43:12
that everybody here passed ninth grade civics.
43:14
The courts cannot legislate. It's what Roberts
43:17
said. But heck, it's what we learned in civics.
43:20
The courts can't make a law. They can interpret
43:22
one. They can review one. They can't implement
43:24
it. They can't force it. But here's what happened.
43:28
Because the courts just decided that something
43:30
was going to be, and people relinquished it,
43:34
and the other two branches of government sat
43:36
by silently, I thought we had three branches
43:39
of government. They were all equal to each other.
43:40
We have separation of powers. And we had checks
43:43
and balances. If the court can just make a decision
43:46
and we just all surrender to it, we have what
43:48
Jefferson said was judicial tyranny. The reason
43:51
that this is a real issue that we need to think
43:53
about. Thank you, Governor. No, no, let me finish
43:55
this one thought, Jake. I haven't gotten that
43:57
much time, so I'm going to take just what little
43:59
I can here. We made accommodation to the Fort
44:03
Hood shooter to let him grow a beard. We made
44:07
accommodations to the detainees at Gitmo. I've
44:10
been to Gitmo, and I've seen the accommodations
44:12
that we made to the Muslim detainees who killed
44:15
Americans. You're telling me that you cannot
44:18
make an accommodation for an elected Democrat
44:22
county clerk from Rowan County, Kentucky? What
44:28
else is it other than the criminalization of
44:30
her faith and the exaltation of the faith of
44:33
everyone else? who might be a Fort Hood shooter
44:36
or a detainee at Gitmo. Well, I'm not telling
44:38
you that, Governor, but Governor Bush is, because
44:40
he disagrees. He thinks that Kim Davis swore
44:43
to uphold the law. You disagree. You don't believe
44:45
that? I think you're not stating my views right.
44:46
Okay, please do. I think there needs to be accommodation
44:48
for someone acting on their faith. Religious
44:51
conscience is a first freedom. It's a powerful
44:54
part of our Bill of Rights. And in a big, tolerant
44:58
country, we should respect the rule of law. allow
45:01
people in this country. I was opposed to the
45:05
decision, but you can't just say, well, gays
45:07
can't get married now. But this woman, there
45:10
should be some accommodation for her conscience,
45:11
just as there should be for people that are florists,
45:14
that don't want to participate in weddings or
45:16
bakers. A great country like us should find a
45:19
way to have accommodations for people so that
45:21
we can solve this problem in the right way. This
45:23
should be solved at the local level. And so we
45:26
do agree. Mike, I think I was just, I was hooked
45:29
by Mr. Tepper here. Governor, you said, quote,
45:31
she is sworn to uphold the law. She is, and so
45:34
if she, based on conscience, can't sign that
45:37
marriage license, then there should be someone
45:40
in her office to be able to do it. And if the
45:42
law needs to be changed in the state of Kentucky,
45:44
which is what she's advocating, it should be
45:46
changed. Let me go to my colleague, Dana Bash,
45:48
who has a question. Governor Kasich, Senator
45:50
Cruz is so committed to stripping federal funds
45:54
from... Planned Parenthood, that it could result
45:56
in shutting down the federal government in just
45:59
about two weeks. Do you agree with Senator Cruz's
46:01
tactic? Well, I agree that we should defund Planned
46:04
Parenthood. I don't know many people in America
46:06
who don't think that we should. And in my state,
46:09
we're trying to figure out how to get it done
46:10
because we are threatened with the federal government
46:13
taking all of our Medicaid money away. I think
46:16
there's a way to get this done by giving governors
46:19
the ability to be able to act to defund Planned
46:21
Parenthood. But when it comes to closing down
46:24
the federal government, we've got to be very
46:26
careful about that. When we shut the government
46:28
down, if we have a chance of success and it's
46:31
a great principle, yes, the president of the
46:33
United States is not going to sign this. And
46:35
all we're going to do is shut the government
46:36
down, and then we're going to open it up, and
46:39
American people are going to shake their heads
46:40
and say, what's the story with these Republicans?
46:42
So I think there is a way to get to cutting off
46:46
the funding for Planned Parenthood. I was in
46:48
the Congress for 18 years, balanced the budget.
46:51
cut taxes got it done changed welfare went around
46:55
the president to get welfare reform done there
46:57
are ways to do it without having shut the government
47:00
down but i'm sympathetic to the fact that we
47:02
don't want this organization to get funding and
47:04
the money ought to be reprogrammed for family
47:07
planning in other organizations that don't support
47:10
this tactic. But I would not be for shutting
47:11
the government down because I don't think it's
47:13
going to work out. Thank you. Senator Cruz, I
47:15
would just add that on this stage not that long
47:18
ago, Senator Graham said that this tactic that
47:20
you're pushing would tank the Republicans' ability
47:23
to win in 2016. Well, let me tell you, Dan, number
47:27
one, I'm proud to stand for life. These Planned
47:29
Parenthood videos are horrifying. I would encourage
47:31
every American to watch these videos. See senior
47:35
Planned Parenthood officials callously, heartlessly
47:37
bartering and selling the body parts of human
47:40
beings. And then ask yourself, are these my values?
47:44
These are horrifying. On these videos, Planned
47:47
Parenthood also essentially confesses to multiple
47:50
felonies. It is a felony with 10 years jail term
47:53
to sell the body parts of unborn children for
47:56
profit. That's what these videos show Planned
47:58
Parenthood doing. Absolutely. We shouldn't be
48:01
sending $500 million of taxpayer money to funding
48:05
an ongoing criminal enterprise. And I'll tell
48:07
you, the fact that Republican leadership in both
48:10
houses has begun this discussion by preemptively
48:13
surrendering to Barack Obama and saying, we'll
48:16
give in because Obama threatens a veto. You know,
48:20
Obama's committed to his principles, his liberal
48:22
principles. He will fight for them. He says,
48:25
I will veto any budget that doesn't fund Planned
48:27
Parenthood, and Republicans surrender. We need
48:30
to stop surrendering and start standing for our
48:32
principles. Thank you, Senator. Governor, I want
48:35
to go to you. Is it what Senator Cruz says, a
48:38
surrender by Republicans? No, what I can tell
48:40
you is this. We didn't surrender in New Jersey
48:42
six years ago. As the brand new first ever pro
48:46
-life governor of New Jersey since Roe versus
48:48
Wade, I defunded Planned Parenthood. And I vetoed
48:52
Planned Parenthood funding now eight times in
48:54
New Jersey. Since the day I walked in as governor,
48:57
Planned Parenthood has not been funded in New
48:59
Jersey. We've stood up and every one of those
49:01
vetoes has been sustained. But here's the problem.
49:04
We're fighting with each other up here. We agree.
49:08
Let's ask Hillary Clinton. She believes in the
49:11
systematic murder of children in the womb to
49:14
preserve their body parts, Dana, in a way that
49:16
maximizes their value for sale for profit. It
49:20
is disgusting, and the American people need to
49:22
hear it. We shouldn't be fighting with each other.
49:24
She's the real opponent. She's the real problem.
49:26
But, Governor, the reality is in just two weeks'
49:28
time, we are going to be facing a question about
49:32
whether or not it's enough to shut down the government
49:34
to make that statement because there's still
49:36
a Democrat in the White House. Do you oppose
49:37
it or support it? I'll tell you what I'd be willing
49:38
to fight for. Tell you what I'd be willing to
49:40
fight for. Why haven't we put tax reform on the
49:42
president's desk? So we can simplify this tax
49:44
system. No, no, it's really important, Dana.
49:46
We've got to talk about what we would be willing
49:48
to shut down for. Why don't we put tax reform
49:50
on this president's desk and make him veto it
49:52
if that's what he wants to do? Why haven't we
49:54
repealed and replaced Obamacare? Make him veto
49:56
if that's what he wants to do. And why don't
49:58
we do the same thing with Planned Parenthood?
49:59
We elected a Republican Congress to do this,
50:02
and they should be doing it, and they're not,
50:04
and they're giving the president a pass. One
50:06
more time. I'm sorry, I just want to get an answer.
50:08
I put it in the list, Dana. We should be doing
50:10
these things and forcing the president to take
50:12
action. Let's force him to do what he says he's
50:14
going to do. I don't know whether he'll do it
50:16
or not, but let's force him to do it. Dana, I'd
50:18
like to link these two issues, both of which
50:20
are incredibly important. Iran and Planned Parenthood.
50:24
One has something to do with the defense of the
50:26
security of this nation. The other has something
50:28
to do with the defense of the character of this
50:31
nation. You have not heard a plan about Iran
50:33
from any politician up here. Here's my plan.
50:36
On day one in the Oval Office, I will make two
50:38
phone calls. The first to my good friend Bibi
50:40
Netanyahu to reassure him we will... stand with
50:42
the state of Israel, the second to the supreme
50:44
leader, to tell him that unless and until he
50:47
opens every military and every nuclear facility
50:49
to real anytime, anywhere inspections by our
50:52
people, not his, we, the United States of America,
50:55
will make it as difficult as possible to move
50:57
money around the global financial system. We
50:59
can do that. We don't need any of his cooperation
51:01
to do it. And every ally and every adversary
51:04
we have in this world will know that the United
51:06
States of America is back in the leadership business,
51:09
which is how we must stand. with our allies as
51:11
regards Planned Parenthood anyone who has watched
51:15
this videotape I dare Hillary Clinton Barack
51:18
Obama to watch these tapes watch a fully formed
51:23
fetus on the table its heart beating its legs
51:28
kicking while someone says we have to keep it
51:31
alive to harvest its brain this is about the
51:35
character of our nation and if we will not stand
51:37
up and force President Obama to I want to continue
51:52
on the subject. Governor Bush, you recently said
51:56
while discussing Planned Parenthood, quote, you're
51:58
not sure we need a half billion dollars for women's
52:01
health issues. Now, you since said that you misspoke.
52:03
You didn't mean to say women's health issues.
52:05
But Donald Trump said. That quote, that comment,
52:08
which Hillary Clinton did seize upon immediately,
52:10
will haunt you the same way Mitt Romney's 47
52:12
% video haunted him. Tell Donald Trump why he's
52:16
wrong. Well, he's wrong on a lot of things, but
52:18
on this he's wrong because I'm the most pro -life
52:20
governor on this stage. I got to act on my core
52:23
beliefs. It's part of who I am. Life is a gift
52:26
from God, and from beginning to end, we need
52:28
to respect it and err on the side of life. And
52:30
so I defunded Planned Parenthood. We created
52:33
a climate where parental notification took place.
52:35
We were the only state to fund crisis pregnancy
52:38
centers with state monies. We were totally focused
52:40
on this, and I would bring that kind of philosophy
52:43
to Washington, D .C. So here's a solution to
52:46
this. Title X of the HHS funding, there's something
52:50
that was called the Reagan Rule. It was passed
52:52
in 1988. And in that rule, it was defined, and
52:56
the courts approved this, that a Planned Parenthood,
52:59
you couldn't separate the money between the actual
53:02
abortion procedures, and there are 330 ,000 abortions
53:05
that take place in this clinic, and their promotion
53:08
of it. He interpreted it the right way. The courts
53:11
ruled in his favor, and Planned Parenthood did
53:14
not get funding during that time until President
53:16
Clinton came in. When I'm elected president,
53:18
we will restore that interpretation of Title
53:21
X, and this deal will be finished. Thank you,
53:23
Governor Bush. Donald Trump, let me just... The
53:25
quote was, I'm not sure we need half a billion
53:28
dollars for women's health issues. He said he
53:31
misspoke. You said that that's going to haunt
53:34
him. Why do you think that? I think it's a terrible
53:36
statement. I think it's going to haunt him absolutely.
53:38
He came back later and he said he misspoke. There
53:41
was no question because I heard when he said
53:43
the statement. I was watching and he said the
53:45
statement. And I said, wow, I can't believe it.
53:47
I will take care of women. I respect women. I
53:50
will take care of women. One thing we will say,
53:52
and I would like to get back to the Iran situation.
53:55
We're talking about Iran. The agreement was terrible.
53:58
It was incompetent. I've never seen anything
53:59
like it. One of the worst contracts of any kind
54:02
I've ever seen. And nobody ever mentions North
54:05
Korea, where you have this maniac. sitting there
54:08
and he actually has nuclear weapons and somebody
54:11
better start thinking about North Korea and perhaps
54:14
a couple of other places but certainly North
54:16
Korea and Ted and I have spoken we've a lot of
54:19
us have spoken we're talking about Iran they're
54:22
bad actors bad things are going to happen but
54:25
in the meantime you have somebody right now in
54:27
North Korea who's got nuclear weapons and who
54:30
is saying almost every other week I'm ready to
54:33
use them and we don't even mention it Governor
54:36
Bush? There are 13 ,000 community -based organizations
54:39
that provide health services to women. 13 ,000
54:43
in this country. I don't believe that Planned
54:44
Parenthood should get a penny from the federal
54:46
government. Those organizations should get funding,
54:48
just as I increased funding when I was governor
54:50
of the state. That's the way you do this, is
54:53
you improve the condition for people. And Donald,
54:56
when I was governor, we also increased the opportunities
54:59
for women. women's income grew three times faster
55:02
than national average when I was governor. So
55:03
why did you say it? Why did you say it? I know,
55:06
but why did you say it? I heard it myself. Why
55:07
did you say it? We increased child support. We
55:09
increased child support. You said you're going
55:11
to cut funding for women's health issues. You
55:14
said it. I have a proven record. Yeah, except
55:16
you said it. We're going to get to... Jake, just
55:19
one more moment. There's something bigger to
55:23
this. Like some of the other governors here,
55:25
I defunded Planned Parenthood four and a half
55:27
years ago in a blue state. But it's bigger than
55:30
that. We did that in a blue state. We took the
55:32
money and put it in the women's health. So we
55:34
did exactly what we're talking about here. But
55:36
I think the bigger issue here is we should be
55:37
able to do this nationally, and this is precisely
55:39
why so many Republicans are upset with Washington.
55:42
They see the House and they see the Senate and
55:44
say, why can't we pass this? Why can't we defund
55:47
plan put in a spending bill? Forget about the
55:49
60 -vote rule. There's no reason, and the Constitution
55:51
doesn't call for 60 votes. Pass it with 51 votes.
55:54
Put it on the desk of the president. Thank you,
55:55
Governor. And go forward and actually make a
55:57
point. Thank you, Governor. This is why people
55:58
are upset with Washington. We're going to get
55:59
to many of these issues. We're still in the first
56:02
block, believe it or not. We're going to get
56:03
to many of these issues. But before we end this
56:06
block, Ms. Fiorina, I do want to ask you about
56:08
this. In an interview last week in Rolling Stone
56:10
magazine, Donald Trump said the following about
56:13
you. Quote, look at that face. Would anyone vote
56:15
for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our
56:18
next president? Mr. Trump later said he was talking
56:21
about your persona, not your appearance. Please
56:25
feel free to respond. what you think about his
56:27
persona. We're going to take a very quick break
56:28
in less than two minutes. The most contentious
56:30
issue on the campaign trail and the candidates
56:33
on the stage are split over how to handle it.
56:36
That's coming up next. Please give some applause
56:38
to the candidates. Welcome to CNN's Republican
56:49
presidential debate. No topic perhaps has been
56:53
more... combustible in this campaign than the
56:57
issue of immigration. Mr. Trump, you have called
57:00
for deporting every undocumented immigrant. Governor
57:04
Christie has said, quote, there are not enough
57:07
law enforcement officers, local, county, state,
57:10
and federal, combined to forcibly deport 11 to
57:13
12 million people. Tell Governor Christie how
57:16
much your plan will cost and how you will get
57:18
it done. Correct. First of all, I want to build
57:21
a wall, a wall that works. So important, and
57:24
it's a big part of it. Second of all, we have
57:27
a lot of really bad dudes in this country from
57:30
outside, and I think Chris knows that maybe as
57:33
well as anybody. They go, if I get elected, first
57:36
day, they're gone. Gangs all over the place,
57:39
Chicago, Baltimore, no matter where you look.
57:42
We have a country based on laws. I will make
57:46
sure that those laws are adhered to. These are
57:49
illegal immigrants. I don't think you'd even
57:51
be asking this question if I didn't run. Because
57:53
when I ran and I brought this up at my opening
57:56
remarks at Trump Tower, I took heat like nobody
57:59
has taken heat in a long time. And then they
58:01
found out with the killing of Kate from San Francisco
58:05
and so many other crimes. They found out that
58:07
I was right. And most people, many people, apologized
58:10
to me. I don't think you'd even be talking about
58:12
illegal immigration if it weren't for me. So,
58:15
we have a country of laws. They're going to go
58:18
out, and they'll come back if they deserve to
58:22
come back. If they've had a bad record, if they've
58:25
been arrested, if they've been in jail, they're
58:27
never coming back. We're going to have a country
58:29
again. Right now, we don't have a country, we
58:33
don't have a border, and we're going to do something
58:34
about it. And it can be done with proper management,
58:38
and it can be done with heart. Governor Christie,
58:41
you and I have talked about this in an interview.
58:43
You say that his big wall, 11 to 12 million undocumented
58:48
immigrants, it sounds great, but it's never going
58:51
to happen. Tell them why you're skeptical of
58:53
his plans. Well, first off, Jake, I don't yield
58:55
to anybody on how to enforce the law. I'm the
58:58
only person on the stage who spent seven years
59:00
as a United States attorney after September 11th,
59:03
and I know how to do this. The fact is, though,
59:06
that for 15 ,000 people a day to be deported
59:10
every day for two years is an undertaking that
59:14
almost none of us could accomplish given the
59:16
current levels of funding and the current number
59:18
of law enforcement officers. But here's what
59:20
we need to do, and I think this is where Donald
59:21
is absolutely right. What we need to do is to
59:24
secure our border, and we need to do it with
59:25
more than just a wall. Electronics, we need to
59:29
use. Drones, we need to use. FBI, DA, and ATF.
59:32
And yes, we need to take the fingerprint of every
59:35
person who comes into this country on a visa,
59:38
and when they overstay their visa, we need to
59:41
tap them on the shoulder and say, you have overstayed
59:43
your welcome. You are taking advantage of the
59:45
American people. It's time for you to go. If
59:47
we had that kind of system in place, we wouldn't
59:48
have the 11 million people we have now. Thank
59:50
you, Governor Christie. By the way, I agree with
59:52
what Chris is saying, but I will say this. Illegal
59:56
immigration is costing us more than $200 billion
59:59
a year just maintaining what we have. I want
1:00:03
to bring in Dr. Carson because he too has been
1:00:05
skeptical of your plan to immediately deport
1:00:07
11 to 12 million illegal immigrants. He said,
1:00:10
quote, people who say that have no idea what
1:00:13
this entails. Why do you say that, Dr. Carson?
1:00:15
Well, first of all, recognize that we have an
1:00:18
incredible illegal immigration problem. I was
1:00:21
down in Arizona a few weeks ago at the border.
1:00:25
i mean the fences that were there were not manned
1:00:28
and those are the kind of fences when i was a
1:00:30
kid that would barely slow us down so i don't
1:00:33
see any purpose in having that now what we need
1:00:36
to do is look at something that actually works
1:00:38
yuma county arizona they stopped 97 of the illegal
1:00:44
immigration to there they put in a double fence
1:00:47
with a road so that the enforcement people if
1:00:52
we don't seal the border The rest of the stuff
1:00:55
really doesn't matter. It's kind of ridiculous,
1:00:57
all the other things that we talk about. We have
1:00:59
the ability to do it. We don't have the will
1:01:01
to do it. There was one area where they had cut
1:01:04
a hole in the fence, and to prepare it, they
1:01:07
put a few strands of barbed wire across. Well,
1:01:10
the photographers who were there with us, they
1:01:12
wanted to photograph us from the side of the
1:01:14
Mexicans, and they went through there, and they
1:01:17
were not physically fit people, and they took
1:01:19
their cameras and things with them and shot us
1:01:21
from the other side. That's how easy it is to
1:01:24
get across. And the drugs, I mean, it goes on
1:01:26
and on and on. ICE tells them to release these
1:01:29
people. 67 ,000 criminals released onto our property.
1:01:34
It's ridiculous. With all due respect, Dr. Carson,
1:01:36
you said about Donald Trump's plan to immediately
1:01:39
deport 11 to 12 million undocumented immigrants.
1:01:41
People who say that have no idea what this entails.
1:01:44
Why not? Well, I have also said, if anybody knows
1:01:49
how to do that... that I would be willing to
1:01:52
listen. And if they can, you know, specify exactly
1:01:56
how that's going to be done and what the costs,
1:01:58
and it sounds reasonable, then I think it's worth
1:02:01
discussing. Let's continue the conversation about
1:02:04
illegal immigration with Dana Bash. Governor
1:02:06
Bush, Mr. Trump has suggested that your views
1:02:10
on immigration are influenced by your Mexican
1:02:12
-born wife. He said that, quote, if my wife were
1:02:17
from Mexico, I think I would have a soft spot
1:02:19
for people from Mexico. Did Mr. Trump go too
1:02:21
far in invoking your wife? He did. He did. You're
1:02:25
proud of your family, just as I am. Correct.
1:02:26
To subject my wife into the middle of a raucous
1:02:30
political conversation was completely inappropriate,
1:02:33
and I hope you apologize for that, Donald. Well,
1:02:35
I have to tell you, I hear phenomenal things.
1:02:37
I hear your wife is a lovely woman. She is. She's
1:02:39
fantastic. I don't know her, and this is a total
1:02:41
mischaracterization of what I see. She is absolutely
1:02:41
the love of my life, and she's right here, and
1:02:43
why don't you apologize for her right now? No,
1:02:44
I won't do that because I said nothing wrong,
1:02:46
but I do hear she's a lovely woman. So here's
1:02:48
the deal. My wife is a Mexican -American. She's
1:02:51
an American by choice. She loves this country
1:02:53
as much as anybody in this room. And she wants
1:02:56
a secure border, but she wants to embrace the
1:02:59
traditional American values that make us special
1:03:02
and make us unique. We're at a crossroads right
1:03:04
now. Are we going to take the Reagan approach,
1:03:07
the hopeful, optimistic approach, the approach
1:03:10
that says that you come to our country legally,
1:03:12
you pursue your dreams with a vengeance, you
1:03:14
create opportunities for all of us, or the Donald
1:03:17
Trump approach? The approach that says that everything
1:03:20
is bad, that everything is coming to an end.
1:03:23
I'm on the Reagan side of this. Jeb said that
1:03:25
they come into our country as an act of love.
1:03:29
With all of the problems that we have in so many
1:03:32
instances, we have wonderful people coming in.
1:03:34
But with all of the problems, this is not an
1:03:37
act of love. He's weak on immigration. By the
1:03:40
way, in favor of Common Core, which is also a
1:03:42
disaster. But weak on immigration. He doesn't
1:03:45
get my vote. Dana, with all due respect to Mr.
1:03:48
Trump, immigration did not come because Mr. Trump
1:03:53
brought it up. We talked about it in 2012. We
1:03:57
talked about it in 2008. We talked about it in
1:04:00
2004. We have been talking about it for 25 years.
1:04:04
This is why people are tired of politicians.
1:04:07
We're going to come to you. I just want to get
1:04:08
Governor Bush a chance to respond to what Mr.
1:04:10
Trump said. Look, first of all, I wrote a book
1:04:12
about this four years ago now. And I laid out
1:04:16
a comprehensive, conservative approach for immigration
1:04:18
reform. And it does require securing the border.
1:04:21
No one disagrees with that. But to build a wall
1:04:24
and to deport people half a million a month would
1:04:28
cost hundreds of billions of dollars, Donald.
1:04:30
Hundreds of billions of dollars. It would destroy
1:04:32
community life. It would tear families apart.
1:04:34
And it would send a signal to the rest of the
1:04:36
world that the United States' values that are
1:04:38
so important for our long -term success no longer
1:04:41
matter in this country. As I said, we are spending
1:04:44
$200 billion. We are spending $200 billion a
1:04:51
year on maintaining what we have. We will move
1:04:54
them out. The great ones will come back. The
1:04:56
good ones will come back. They'll be expedited.
1:04:59
They'll be back. They'll come back legally. We'll
1:05:02
have a country. They'll come back legally. Okay,
1:05:04
on that note, you have criticized Governor Bush
1:05:07
for speaking Spanish on the campaign trail. You
1:05:10
said, quote, He should really set an example
1:05:12
by speaking English in the United States. What's
1:05:14
wrong with speaking Spanish? Well, I think it's
1:05:15
wonderful and all, but I did it a little bit
1:05:18
half -heartedly, but I do mean it to a large
1:05:20
extent. We have a country where, to assimilate,
1:05:23
you have to speak English. And I think that where
1:05:27
he was and the way it came out didn't sound right
1:05:29
to me. We have to have assimilation. To have
1:05:32
a country, we have to have assimilation. I'm
1:05:35
not the first one to say this, Dana. We've had
1:05:37
many people over the years, for many, many years,
1:05:39
saying the same thing. This is a country where
1:05:42
we speak English, not Spanish. Well, I've been
1:05:47
speaking English here tonight, and I'll keep
1:05:49
speaking English, but the simple fact is, if
1:05:51
a high school kid asked me a question in Spanish,
1:05:54
a school, by the way, a voucher program that
1:05:57
was created under my watch, the largest voucher
1:06:00
program in the country, where kids can go to
1:06:02
a Christian school, and they ask me a question
1:06:04
in Spanish, I'm going to show respect and answer
1:06:06
that question in Spanish, even though they do
1:06:09
speak English, and even though they embrace American
1:06:11
values. This was a reporter, not a high school
1:06:14
kid, by the way. Dana, I agree that English is
1:06:16
the unifying language of our country, and everyone
1:06:18
should learn to speak it. It's important. I want
1:06:20
to tell you a story about someone that didn't
1:06:22
speak English that well. It was my grandfather.
1:06:24
He came to this country in the 1960s as escaping
1:06:27
Cuba. And he lived with us growing up. And my
1:06:30
grandfather loved America. He understood what
1:06:32
was so special about this country. He loved Ronald
1:06:34
Reagan. He would be very proud of the fact that
1:06:36
we're here this evening. My grandfather instilled
1:06:39
in me the belief that I was blessed to live in
1:06:41
the one society in all of human history where
1:06:43
even I, the son of a bartender and a maid, could
1:06:45
aspire to have anything and be anything that
1:06:48
I was willing to work hard to achieve. But he
1:06:49
taught me that in Spanish. because it was the
1:06:51
language he was most comfortable in. And he became
1:06:54
a conservative even though he got his news in
1:06:56
Spanish. And so I do give interviews in Spanish,
1:06:58
and here's why. Because I believe that free enterprise
1:07:00
and limited government is the best way to help
1:07:02
people who are trying to achieve upward mobility.
1:07:05
And if they get their news in Spanish, I want
1:07:08
them to hear that directly from me, not from
1:07:09
a translator at Univision. Thank you, Senator
1:07:11
Rubio. Senator Cruz. Senator Cruz. This week,
1:07:18
we learned more about Dr. Carson's plan for the
1:07:21
11 to 12 million undocumented immigrants in this
1:07:23
country. Dr. Carson proposed giving these undocumented
1:07:26
immigrants a six -month grace period to pay back
1:07:30
taxes, then to let them become guest workers,
1:07:34
and only to deport people who fail to do that.
1:07:37
Not exactly what I said. Well, how would you
1:07:39
say it, sir? I was just reading the Wall Street
1:07:41
Journal quote, but please tell us. Well, what
1:07:44
I said, after we seal the borders... after we
1:07:47
turn off the spigot that dispenses all the goodies
1:07:50
so we don't have people coming in here, including
1:07:52
employment, that people who had a pristine record,
1:07:57
we should consider allowing them to become guest
1:08:01
workers primarily in the agricultural sphere,
1:08:04
because that's the place where Americans don't
1:08:07
seem to want to work. That's what I said. And
1:08:10
they have a six -month period to do that. If
1:08:12
they don't do it within that time period, then
1:08:15
they become illegal. and as illegals they will
1:08:18
be treated as such okay from the horse's mouth
1:08:20
senator cruz does that fit your definition of
1:08:23
amnesty well jake you know i'm i'm very glad
1:08:27
that donald trump's being in this race has forced
1:08:32
the mainstream media finally to talk about illegal
1:08:36
immigration i think that's very important i like
1:08:39
and respect ben carson i'll let him talk about
1:08:41
his own plans But I will say this, the natural
1:08:44
next question that primary voters are asking
1:08:46
after we focus on illegal immigration is, okay,
1:08:49
what are the records of the various candidates?
1:08:53
And this is an issue on which there are stark
1:08:54
differences. A majority of the men and women
1:08:57
on this stage have previously and publicly embraced
1:09:02
amnesty. I am the only candidate on this stage
1:09:05
who has never supported amnesty and, in fact,
1:09:07
who helped lead the fight. to stop a massive
1:09:12
amnesty plan in 2013 when Barack Obama and Harry
1:09:15
Reid joined the Washington Republicans in a massive
1:09:18
amnesty plan. I stood shoulder to shoulder with
1:09:21
Jeff Sessions helping lead the fight. You know,
1:09:24
folks here have talked about how do you secure
1:09:25
the borders. Well, I've been leading the fight
1:09:27
in the Senate to triple the border patrol, to
1:09:30
put in place fencings and walls, to put in place
1:09:32
a strong biometric exit entry system. Thank you,
1:09:35
Senator. Senator Rubio, I'm not sure exactly.
1:09:39
We'll come back to you in one second, sir. But
1:09:41
Senator Rubio, I'm not sure exactly whose plan
1:09:43
he's saying constitutes amnesty, but I know he
1:09:46
has said it about your plan in the past, so I
1:09:48
want to give you a chance to respond. Then Dr.
1:09:49
Carson will come to you. Well, let me say that
1:09:51
legal immigration is not an issue I read about
1:09:53
in the newspaper. Immigration, illegal immigration,
1:09:56
all the good aspects of immigration, and all
1:09:58
the negative ones as well, I live with. My family's
1:10:01
immigrants. My neighbors are all immigrants.
1:10:03
My in -laws are all immigrants. So I've seen
1:10:05
every aspect of it. And I can tell you America
1:10:07
doesn't have one immigration problem. It has
1:10:10
three. First, despite the fact that we are the
1:10:12
most generous country in the history of the world
1:10:14
on allowing people to come here legally, we have
1:10:17
people still coming illegally. Second, we have
1:10:19
a legal immigration system that no longer works.
1:10:22
It primarily is built on the basis of whether
1:10:24
or not you have a relative living here instead
1:10:26
of merit. And third, we have 11 or 12 million
1:10:28
people, many of whom have been here for longer
1:10:30
than a decade, who are already here illegally.
1:10:32
And we must deal with all three of these problems.
1:10:35
We cannot deal with all three of these problems
1:10:36
in one massive piece of legislation. I learned
1:10:39
that. We tried it that way. Here's the way forward.
1:10:42
First, we must. We must secure our border, the
1:10:45
physical border or the wall, absolutely. But
1:10:48
we also need to have an entry -exit tracking
1:10:49
system. 40 % of the people who come here illegally
1:10:52
come illegally. And then they overstay the visa.
1:10:55
We also need a mandatory e -verify system. After
1:10:58
we've done that, step two would be to modernize
1:11:01
our legal immigration system. So you come to
1:11:03
America on the basis of what you can contribute
1:11:05
economically, not whether or not simply you have
1:11:08
a relative living here. And after we've done
1:11:10
those two things, I believe the American people
1:11:12
will be very reasonable. If you're a criminal,
1:11:17
obviously you will not be able to stay. Thank
1:11:19
you, Senator. Senator, Dr. Carson, I want to
1:11:21
give you 30 seconds. I'd like you to answer the
1:11:23
question. Senator Cruz describes plans such as
1:11:27
yours as amnesty. Why is your plan not amnesty?
1:11:31
My plan is not amnesty for a number of reasons.
1:11:33
Number one, you know, I've talked to farmers
1:11:35
and they said they cannot hire Americans to do
1:11:39
the kind of job that I'm talking about. And the
1:11:42
second reason is because the individuals who
1:11:45
register as guest workers, they don't get the
1:11:48
vote. They are not American citizens. And they
1:11:52
don't get the rights and privileges of American
1:11:53
citizens. So that's key. But the other thing
1:11:56
that I want to bring up is I mentioned something
1:11:58
earlier. I think it was just sort of glossed
1:12:00
over. I talked about the success in Yuma County.
1:12:04
I mean, incredible success. And the Department
1:12:07
of Justice said, no, we don't want to do that.
1:12:10
That's too successful. We don't have to keep
1:12:12
reinventing the wheel. All we have to do is look
1:12:15
at things that work. All we have to do is use
1:12:17
a little common sense. Thank you, Dr. Carson.
1:12:18
I want to talk about the issue of birthright
1:12:20
citizenship, which has emerged since the first
1:12:22
debate as a major issue in this campaign. Mr.
1:12:26
Trump, you say that babies born in the United
1:12:29
States to undocumented immigrants should not
1:12:32
any longer get automatic American citizenship.
1:12:36
Ms. Fiorina says that you are pandering on this
1:12:39
issue and acting like the politicians that you
1:12:41
rail against. What's your message to Ms. Fiorina
1:12:44
on birthright citizenship? Well, first of all,
1:12:46
the 14th Amendment says very, very clearly to
1:12:49
a lot of great legal scholars, not television
1:12:51
scholars, but legal scholars, that it is wrong.
1:12:54
It can be corrected with an act of Congress,
1:12:57
probably doesn't even need that. A woman gets
1:13:00
pregnant. She's nine months. She walks across
1:13:03
the border. She has the baby in the United States,
1:13:06
and we take care of the baby for 85 years. I
1:13:09
don't think so. And by the way, Mexico and almost
1:13:12
every other country anywhere in the world doesn't
1:13:15
have that. We're the only ones dumb enough, stupid
1:13:18
enough to have it. And people, and by the way,
1:13:20
this is not just with respect to Mexico. They're
1:13:23
coming from Asia to have babies here, and all
1:13:26
of a sudden, we have to take care of the babies
1:13:28
for the life of the baby. The 14th Amendment,
1:13:32
it reads properly, You can go, and it's probably
1:13:35
going to have to check, go through a process
1:13:37
of court, probably ends up at the Supreme Court,
1:13:40
but there are a lot of great legal scholars that
1:13:42
say that is not correct. And in my opinion, it
1:13:45
makes absolutely no... We're the only country,
1:13:47
one of the only countries, we're going to take
1:13:49
care of those babies for 70, 75, 80, 90 years?
1:13:53
I don't think so. Ms. Fiorina, the vast majority
1:13:55
of countries do not have birthright citizenship.
1:13:57
Donald Trump is right about that. Why is it pandering
1:14:00
when he says this? First, let me say we have
1:14:03
just spent a good bit of time discussing as Republicans
1:14:07
how to solve this problem. I would ask your audience
1:14:10
at home to ask a very basic question. Why have
1:14:14
Democrats not solved this problem? President
1:14:17
Obama campaigned in 2007 and 2008 on solving
1:14:22
the immigration problem. He entered Washington
1:14:25
with majorities in the House and the Senate.
1:14:27
He could have chosen to do anything to solve
1:14:30
this problem. Instead, he chose to do nothing.
1:14:33
Why? Because the Democrats don't want this issue
1:14:37
solved. to be an issue that they can use as to
1:14:42
birthright citizenship the truth is you can't
1:14:45
just wave your hands and say the 14th amendment
1:14:47
is going to go away it will take an extremely
1:14:50
arduous vote in congress followed by two -thirds
1:14:54
of the states and if that doesn't work to amend
1:14:56
the constitution then it is a long arduous process
1:14:59
in court and meanwhile what will continue to
1:15:03
go on is what has gone on for 25 years with all
1:15:05
due respect mr trump we have been talking about
1:15:08
illegal immigration for 25 years San Francisco
1:15:12
has been a sanctuary city since 1989 there are
1:15:16
300 of them and meanwhile what has happened nothing
1:15:20
the border remains insecure the legal immigration
1:15:23
system remains broken Look, we know what it takes
1:15:26
to secure a border. We've heard a lot of great
1:15:28
ideas here. Money, manpower, technology, mostly,
1:15:31
apparently, leadership. The kind of leadership
1:15:33
that understands how to get results. Thank you,
1:15:36
Ms. Fiorina. Mr. Trayvon, I want to give you
1:15:37
a chance to respond. By the way, with Carly,
1:15:41
on the fact that the Democrats do not want to
1:15:43
solve this problem for the obvious reasons, but
1:15:45
they do not. But I believe that a reading of
1:15:48
the 14th Amendment allows you... to have an interpretation
1:15:51
where this is not legal and where it can't be
1:15:54
done. I've seen both sides, but some of the greatest
1:15:56
scholars agree with me without having to go through
1:15:59
Congress. If you do go through Congress, you
1:16:01
can absolutely solve the problem. But you would
1:16:03
stipulate, Mr. Trump, that not everyone agrees
1:16:06
with you. That's true. Sure. Senator Paul, I
1:16:09
want to bring you in. Where do you stand on the
1:16:10
issue of birthright citizenship? Well, I hate
1:16:12
to say it, but Donald Trump has a bit of a point
1:16:14
here. The case that was decided around 1900 was
1:16:20
people had a green card, were here legally, and
1:16:23
they said that their children were citizens.
1:16:25
There's never been a direct Supreme Court case
1:16:28
on people who were here illegally, whether or
1:16:31
not their kids are citizens. So it hasn't really
1:16:33
been completely adjudicated. The 14th Amendment
1:16:35
says that those who were here and under the jurisdiction.
1:16:39
The original author of the 14th Amendment said
1:16:42
on the Senate floor that this was applying to
1:16:45
slaves and did not specifically apply to others.
1:16:48
All right, Senator Paul, thank you so much. Let's
1:16:50
turn to a new topic. We've received a lot of
1:16:51
questions on social media. You laid off tens
1:17:04
of thousands of people. You got viciously fired.
1:17:07
For voters looking to somebody with private sector
1:17:09
experience to create American jobs, why should
1:17:12
they pick you and not Donald Trump? I led Hewlett
1:17:16
Packard through a very difficult time, the worst
1:17:18
technology recession in 25 years. The NASDAQ
1:17:22
stock index fell 80%. It took 15 years for the
1:17:27
stock index to recover. We had very strong competitors
1:17:30
who literally went out of business and lost all
1:17:33
of their jobs in the process despite those difficult
1:17:35
times. We doubled the size of the company. We
1:17:38
quadrupled its top line growth rate. We quadrupled
1:17:41
its cash flow. We tripled its rate of innovation.
1:17:45
Yes, we had to make tough choices. And in doing
1:17:48
so, we saved 80 ,000 jobs, went on to grow to
1:17:51
160 ,000 jobs, and now Hewlett -Packard is almost
1:17:55
300 ,000 jobs. We went from lagging behind to
1:17:58
leading in every product category and every market
1:18:01
segment. We must lead in this nation again, and
1:18:04
some tough calls are going to be required. But
1:18:07
as for the firing, I have been very honest about
1:18:09
this from the day it happened. When you challenge
1:18:11
the status quo, you make enemies. I made it.
1:18:14
Steve Jobs told me that when he called me the
1:18:16
day I was fired to say, hey, been there, done
1:18:18
that twice. It's also true that the man that
1:18:21
led my faring, Tom Perkins, just took out a full
1:18:23
-page ad in the New York Times to say he was
1:18:26
wrong, I was right, I was a terrific CEO, the
1:18:29
board was dysfunctional, and he thinks I will
1:18:31
make a magnificent president of the United States.
1:18:35
Mr. Trump, why would you be better at creating
1:18:39
jobs than Carly Fiorina? Let me just explain.
1:18:43
The head of the Yale Business School, Jeffrey
1:18:45
Sonnenfeld, wrote a paper recently, one of the
1:18:47
worst tenures for a CEO that he has ever seen,
1:18:52
ranked one of the top 20 in the history of business.
1:18:56
The company is a disaster and continues to be
1:18:59
a disaster. They still haven't recovered. In
1:19:01
fact, today on the front page of the Wall Street
1:19:03
Journal, they fired another 25 or 30 ,000 people
1:19:07
saying we still haven't recovered from the catastrophe.
1:19:10
When Carly says the revenues went up, that's
1:19:13
because she bought Compaq. It was a terrible
1:19:16
deal, and it really led to the destruction of
1:19:18
the company. Now, one other company before that
1:19:20
was Lucent. Carly was at Lucent before that.
1:19:23
and lucid turned out to be a catastrophe also
1:19:26
so i only say this she can't run any of my companies
1:19:29
that i can tell you i want to give you a chance
1:19:31
to respond jeffrey sonnenfeld is a well -known
1:19:33
clintonite and honestly had it out for me from
1:19:36
the moment that i arrived at hewlett packard
1:19:38
but honestly mr trump i find it quite rich that
1:19:42
you would talk about this You know, there are
1:19:45
a lot of us Americans who believe that we are
1:19:47
going to have trouble someday paying back the
1:19:49
interest on our debt because politicians have
1:19:52
run up mountains of debt using other people's
1:19:55
money. That is, in fact, precisely the way you
1:19:58
ran your casinos. You ran up mountains of debt
1:20:01
as well as losses using other people's money,
1:20:04
and you were forced to file for bankruptcy not
1:20:06
once, not twice, four times. times, a record
1:20:10
four times. Why should we trust you to manage
1:20:13
the finances of this nation any differently than
1:20:16
you manage the finances of your casinos? I've
1:20:20
made over $10 billion. I had a casino company.
1:20:23
Caesars just filed for bankruptcy. Chris will
1:20:26
tell you. It's not Chris's fault either. But
1:20:28
almost everybody in Atlantic City is either in
1:20:30
trouble or filed for bankruptcy. Maybe I'll blame
1:20:32
Chris. But Atlantic City is a disaster. Wait
1:20:36
a minute, Carly. Wait. I'll let you speak. Atlantic
1:20:39
City is a disaster, and I did great in Atlantic
1:20:43
City. I knew when to get out, my timing was great,
1:20:46
and I got a lot of credit for it. Many of the
1:20:48
great business people that you know, and Carl
1:20:50
Icahn's going to work with me on making great
1:20:52
deals for this country, but whether it's Carl
1:20:54
or so many others that we read about all the
1:20:57
time, they have used the laws of the land. by
1:21:07
this personal back and forth about the history
1:21:09
of Donald and Carly's career for the 55 year
1:21:12
old construction worker out in that audience
1:21:14
tonight who doesn't have a job who can't fund
1:21:16
his child's education I got to tell you truth
1:21:18
they could care less about your careers they
1:21:21
care about theirs let's start talking about that
1:21:23
on this stage and stop playing and stop playing
1:21:26
the games John I'm not done yet John Carly listen
1:21:34
you can interrupt everybody else in the stage
1:21:35
can I interrupt me Okay? The fact is that we
1:21:39
don't want to hear about your careers back and
1:21:41
forth and volleying back and forth about who
1:21:43
did well and who did poorly. You're both successful
1:21:45
people. Congratulations. You know who's not successful?
1:21:48
The middle class in this country who's getting
1:21:50
plowed over by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
1:21:53
Let's start talking about those issues tonight
1:21:55
and stop this childish back and forth between
1:21:57
the two of you. Governor Kasich, I'm coming to
1:22:04
you next, but Ms. Farina's name was mentioned,
1:22:07
and I have to give her the opportunity to respond
1:22:08
if she wants to. Well, I thought we had been
1:22:11
hearing quite a bit about Governor Christie's
1:22:13
record as governor. Actually, I think track records
1:22:15
are very important. I completely agree that what's
1:22:18
at stake here is the future of this nation and
1:22:21
the future of every American. But I do think
1:22:24
that a track record of leadership is vital because
1:22:26
in the end, this election is about leadership.
1:22:29
And let's talk about what leadership is. It's
1:22:32
not about braggadocio. It is about challenging
1:22:36
the status quo, solving problems. producing results,
1:22:40
and the highest calling of leadership is to unlock
1:22:43
potential in others. Thank you. Problems have
1:22:46
festered in Washington for too long, and the
1:22:48
potential of this nation is being crushed. Thank
1:22:51
you, Ms. Fiorina. Governor Kasich, I want to
1:22:53
come to you. I'm coming to you. I'm coming to
1:22:55
you. Let me ask the question. You can use the
1:22:57
time however you want. Okay, Jake. Donald Trump
1:22:59
says that the hedge fund guys are getting away
1:23:01
with murder by paying a lower tax rate. He wants
1:23:04
to raise the taxes of hedge fund managers, as
1:23:06
does Governor Bush. Do you agree? I don't at
1:23:10
this point in terms of changing the incentives
1:23:12
for investment and risk -taking, but let's just
1:23:14
stop for a second. There's one person on this
1:23:16
stage that does have a record. I'm the only person
1:23:19
on this stage and one of the few people in this
1:23:21
country that led the effort as the chief architect
1:23:23
of the last time we balanced the federal budget.
1:23:26
We also cut taxes. And when I left Washington
1:23:29
in 2000, we had a $5 trillion surplus and the
1:23:33
economy was booming. I'd spent 10 years of my
1:23:37
life to get us to that point. went out in the
1:23:39
private sector it was great experience and went
1:23:42
into ohio and took an eight billion dollar hole
1:23:44
and turned it into a two billion dollar surplus
1:23:46
we've had the largest amount of tax cuts of any
1:23:49
sitting governor we've grown well over three
1:23:51
talking about here tonight as i'm going to take
1:23:53
this position in that position you know what
1:23:55
at the end of the day america's got to work we
1:23:58
got to figure out how we come together to deal
1:24:01
with this with our fiscal problems because when
1:24:03
we deal with that we create a stronger economic
1:24:05
economy for everybody people have a chance to
1:24:08
rise so you know when we think about how we make
1:24:11
a choice it's the person that lands that plane
1:24:15
it's not somebody that talks about it it's about
1:24:17
the person who's done it and i've done it in
1:24:20
both places and I did it including people in
1:24:23
the other party, and that's how we were successful,
1:24:25
and that's how I will be president, using that
1:24:28
experience to drive this country forward. Thank
1:24:31
you. Governor Huckabee, I want to bring you in
1:24:32
on the question of hedge fund managers and taxing
1:24:35
them. You have said that you are bothered by
1:24:38
the fact that hedge fund managers pay such a
1:24:40
low tax rate and make 2 ,500 times what people
1:24:44
who work for them make. Do you agree with what
1:24:47
Donald Trump and Governor Bush have proposed
1:24:49
raising their tax rates? I have a different idea.
1:24:51
I think we ought to get rid of all the taxes
1:24:53
on people who produce. Why should we penalize
1:24:56
productivity? And it's why I am an unabashed
1:24:59
supporter of the fair tax, which would be a tax
1:25:02
on our consumption rather than a tax on our productivity.
1:25:06
In other words, you're not going to tax anybody
1:25:08
for what they earn, whether it's a... worker
1:25:11
who's working by the hour or whether it's a hedge
1:25:13
fund manager. If they can produce something and
1:25:15
bring capital and labor to create jobs, we need
1:25:18
some jobs. And I think the fair tax makes more
1:25:21
sense. Now, Jake, I've been listening to everybody
1:25:24
on the stage and there's a lot of back and forth
1:25:26
about I'm the only one who's done this, the only
1:25:28
one who's done that. I've done great things.
1:25:30
We've all done great things or we wouldn't be
1:25:32
on this stage. But it occurs to me as we're sitting
1:25:34
here in the Reagan library that most of us would
1:25:38
like to pay tribute to a guy. who, when he got
1:25:40
elected, didn't get elected telling everybody
1:25:43
how great he was. He got elected telling everybody
1:25:47
how great the American people were, and he empowered
1:25:50
them to live their dreams, which is what I'd
1:25:52
love to see us do, by no longer penalizing the
1:25:56
people who are out there working, because they're
1:25:57
taking a gut punch right now. Thank you, Governor.
1:26:00
Dr. Carson. Dr. Carson, you support scrapping
1:26:04
the entire tax code and replacing it with a flat
1:26:07
tax based on the principle of tithing from the
1:26:10
Bible. If you make $10 billion, you pay $1 billion
1:26:13
in taxes. If you make $10, you pay $1 in taxes.
1:26:17
Donald Trump believes in progressive taxation.
1:26:20
He says it's not right that rich people pay the
1:26:22
same as the poor. Tell Donald Trump why his ideas
1:26:27
on taxes are wrong. It's all about America. You
1:26:32
know, the people who say the guy who paid a billion
1:26:35
dollars because he had ten, he's still got nine
1:26:38
billion dollars left. That's not fair. We need
1:26:41
to take more of his money. That's called socialism.
1:26:44
That doesn't work so well. What made America
1:26:47
into a great nation was the fact that we said,
1:26:49
that guy just put in a billion dollars. Let's
1:26:52
create an environment. that's even more conducive
1:26:55
to his success so that next year he can put in
1:26:58
$2 billion. And that's the kind of thing that
1:27:01
helps us to grow. We can't grow by continuing
1:27:03
to take a piece of pie and dividing it and redistributing
1:27:07
it. But I'm also looking at what Governor Huckabee
1:27:12
talked about. You don't want me operating on
1:27:14
you, I assure you that. The fair tax. Looking
1:27:17
at both of them, we're evaluating them both,
1:27:20
and I'm talking to the American people, because
1:27:23
one of the things we must recognize is that this
1:27:25
country is of, for, and by the people. And it's
1:27:29
really time that the government get out of the
1:27:32
way and let the people be the ones who decide
1:27:34
how they want to run their country. Mr. Trump,
1:27:36
what do you think of the flat tax? Do you think
1:27:41
it's fair? Well, I think the thing about the
1:27:43
flat tax, I know it very well, that I don't like
1:27:45
is if you make $200 million a year, you pay 10%,
1:27:48
you're paying very little relatively to somebody
1:27:51
that's making $50 ,000 a year and has to hire
1:27:54
H &R Block to do the work because it's so complicated.
1:27:57
One thing I'll say to Ben is that we've had a
1:27:59
graduated tax system for many years, so it's
1:28:01
not a socialistic thing. What I'd like to do
1:28:03
is, and I'll be putting in the plan in about
1:28:05
two weeks, and I think people are going to like
1:28:06
it. It's a major reduction in taxes. It's a major
1:28:09
reduction for the middle class. The hedge fund
1:28:12
guys won't like me as much as they like me right
1:28:14
now. I know them all, but they'll pay more. I
1:28:17
know people that are making a tremendous amount
1:28:18
of money and paying virtually no tax, and I think
1:28:20
it's unfair. Thank you, Mr. Trump. Senator Paul.
1:28:23
I'm glad we're having a discussion about taxes
1:28:25
because everybody laments that we lose jobs overseas.
1:28:28
Well, yeah, our companies and our jobs are being
1:28:31
chased overseas by a 70 ,000 -page tax code.
1:28:34
So that's why I've chosen to get rid of the whole
1:28:36
thing and have one single rate, 14 .5 % for everybody,
1:28:39
business and for corporate income and personal
1:28:43
income. But we also get rid of the payroll tax
1:28:45
so the working class would get a tax break as
1:28:47
well. So I think a flat tax, eliminating the
1:28:50
tax code, getting rid of all the loopholes is
1:28:52
the way to go. It's the way we get America going
1:28:53
again. Governor Walker, I want to go to you.
1:28:56
Dr. Carson wants to raise the federal minimum
1:28:59
wage. You have called it a lame idea. Why is
1:29:02
raising the federal minimum wage lame? I said
1:29:04
the best way to help people see their wages go
1:29:06
up is to get them the education, the skills they
1:29:08
need to take on careers that pay far more than
1:29:10
minimum wage. And it's why we talk about it's
1:29:12
all about jobs. You want to help people actually
1:29:14
get jobs. It's why on that last question we were
1:29:16
trying to jump in on taxes. To me, it's not just
1:29:18
about... taxes, cutting taxes. I've done it as
1:29:20
much as anybody. I've cut income taxes. I've
1:29:22
cut property taxes. In fact, property taxes are
1:29:24
lower today in my state than they were before
1:29:26
we took office. The real issue is about jobs.
1:29:28
Ronald Reagan, our plan is based on the Ronald
1:29:30
Reagan tax cuts of 1986. That brought about one
1:29:33
of the longest sustained periods of economic
1:29:35
growth in American history. All the things we
1:29:38
should be talking about tonight are about how
1:29:39
do we create jobs, helping people get the skills
1:29:42
and the education and qualifications they need
1:29:44
to succeed. That's the way you help people create
1:29:46
jobs. It's part of our larger plan to reform
1:29:48
the tax code, to cut taxes, to put in place an
1:29:53
education system that gives people the skills
1:29:55
and education that they need, to put in place
1:29:57
an all -of -the -above energy policy. But you
1:29:58
start on day one with repealing Obamacare. I'm
1:30:01
the only one on this stage who's actually got
1:30:03
a plan, introduced an actual plan. to repeal
1:30:05
Obamacare on day one. I'll send a bill up to
1:30:08
Congress and to make sure they actually enact
1:30:10
it. I'm going to sign an order that makes the
1:30:12
Congress live by the same rules as everybody
1:30:14
else. Thank you, Governor. That will ensure they
1:30:16
repeal Obamacare. Dr. Carson, Governor Walker
1:30:17
didn't really answer the question, but I'll let
1:30:19
you respond. He called raising the federal minimum
1:30:21
wage lame. What do you think of that? Well, first
1:30:23
of all, let me say what I actually said about
1:30:25
raising the minimum wage. I was asked, should
1:30:28
it be raised? I said, probably or possibly. But
1:30:32
what I added, which I think is the most important
1:30:34
thing, is I said we need to get both sides of
1:30:37
this issue to sit down and talk about it, negotiate
1:30:41
a reasonable minimum wage, and index that so
1:30:48
that we never have to have this conversation
1:30:50
again in the history of America. I think we also
1:30:53
have to have two minimum wages, a starter and
1:30:57
a sustaining. Because how are young people ever
1:31:00
going to get a job if you have such a high minimum
1:31:03
wage that it makes it impractical to hire them?
1:31:07
Thank you, Dr. Carson. I want to now turn to
1:31:08
you. Jake, just on that issue, because you said
1:31:10
I didn't answer, and I did. I said to me, I think
1:31:13
the real focus shouldn't be, you know, Hillary
1:31:14
Clinton talks about the minimum wage. That's
1:31:17
her answer to grow the economy. The answer is
1:31:19
to give people the skills and the education so
1:31:21
they make far more than minimum wage. I don't
1:31:23
want to argue about how low things are going
1:31:24
to be. I want to talk about how do we lift everyone
1:31:26
up in America. That's what Reagan talked about.
1:31:28
It wasn't how bad things were. It was how to
1:31:30
make it better for everyone. That's what we've
1:31:32
done in Wisconsin. That's exactly what we do.
1:31:34
Let me bring in our partner from Salem Radio
1:31:35
Network, Hugh Hewitt. I'd like to talk about
1:31:37
winning because I think all of you are more qualified
1:31:40
than former Secretary of State Clinton and as
1:31:42
were the people in the first debate. But there
1:31:43
are different styles. And Carly Fiorina, Governor
1:31:46
Kasich, you are conveniently located next to
1:31:48
each other and you have different styles. Governor
1:31:50
Kasich, you've been on my show a lot. You refuse
1:31:52
to attack Hillary Clinton. You just don't want
1:31:54
to go there. You want to do the up with people,
1:31:56
go Ohio campaign. And I like that. Carly Fiorina,
1:31:59
I don't have to bring up the Secretary of State.
1:32:00
You bring her up, Sue Esponte. Which one of you
1:32:03
is wrong? Governor Kasich? Well, look, people
1:32:06
still have to get to know me. So I want to spend
1:32:08
my time talking about my experience, reforming
1:32:10
welfare, balancing budgets, cutting taxes. providing
1:32:13
economic growth when I was in Washington, turning
1:32:16
Ohio around, $8 billion in the hole, $2 billion
1:32:19
surplus, up over 300 ,000 jobs, big tax cuts,
1:32:23
strengthening our credit. All those things matter.
1:32:27
But, you know, as a young man in my first election
1:32:30
in 1978, I defeated an incumbent Democrat. I
1:32:33
defeated an incumbent Democrat in 1982 running
1:32:36
on the Reagan program. I was the only Republican
1:32:39
in America to defeat an incumbent Democrat that
1:32:42
year. And then when I won for election to governor,
1:32:45
I was the first Republican to defeat an incumbent
1:32:47
in 36 years. and the first person to have never
1:32:50
run statewide out of politics for 10 years to
1:32:53
beat an incumbent that hadn't happened for 96
1:32:56
years so we'll get to the point where we'll talk
1:32:58
about hillary clinton or whoever the nominee
1:33:01
is record but right now i want to give people
1:33:04
a sense of hope a sense of purpose a sense of
1:33:06
unity a sense that we can do it So, you know,
1:33:09
with you, at the end of the day, I'm going to
1:33:11
continue to talk about my record because there's...
1:33:13
Do you ever notice when people run for office,
1:33:15
they run for president, they make a lot of promises,
1:33:17
they don't keep them. I don't intend to do that,
1:33:19
and I'm going to be out there pushing, and don't
1:33:21
worry about me and Hillary. That'll all work
1:33:23
out, and I'm from Ohio. She will not beat me
1:33:26
there, I can promise you that. Carly Fiorini,
1:33:28
your style. You see, Governor Christie, people
1:33:30
spend a lot of time talking about their track
1:33:32
records. And Mr. Trump and I have every right
1:33:34
to do the same. And Mrs. Clinton is going to
1:33:36
have to defend her track record. Her track record
1:33:39
of lying about Benghazi, of lying about her emails.
1:33:44
about lying about her servers. She does not have
1:33:48
a track record of accomplishment. Like Mrs. Clinton,
1:33:51
I, too, have traveled hundreds of thousands of
1:33:52
miles around the globe. But unlike Mrs. Clinton,
1:33:55
I know that flying is an activity. It is not
1:33:58
an accomplishment. Mrs. Clinton, if you want
1:34:00
to stump a Democrat, ask them to name an accomplishment
1:34:03
of Mrs. Clinton's. Thank you, Ms. Fiorina. Governor
1:34:06
Christie, your name was mentioned. I want to
1:34:07
give you a chance to respond. Listen, you know,
1:34:09
Q, it's an important point. And the question
1:34:12
is, who's going to prosecute Hillary Clinton?
1:34:14
The Obama White House seems to have no interest.
1:34:16
The Justice Department seems to have no interest.
1:34:18
I think it's time to put a former federal prosecutor
1:34:21
on the same stage with Hillary Clinton. And I
1:34:23
will prosecute her during those debates on that
1:34:25
stage for the record that we're talking about
1:34:27
here. The fact that she had a private email server
1:34:29
in her basement using national security secrets
1:34:31
running through it could have been hacked by
1:34:33
the Russians, the Chinese, or two 18 -year -olds
1:34:36
on a toot wanting to have some fun. No one's
1:34:39
answering that question from the Hillary Clinton
1:34:40
clan. You know why? Because she knows she's wrong
1:34:42
and she cannot look in the mirror. at herself,
1:34:45
and she cannot tell the American people the truth.
1:34:47
Thank you, Governor Christie. There is a whole
1:34:49
lot more coming up. CNN's Republican presidential
1:34:52
debate. Let's turn to some issues now in foreign
1:34:55
policy. Mr. Trump, Senator Rubio said it was,
1:34:59
quote, very concerning to him that in a recent
1:35:02
interview you didn't seem to know the details
1:35:04
about some of the... enemies the U .S. faces.
1:35:07
Rubio said, if you don't know the answers to
1:35:10
those questions, you will not be able to serve
1:35:12
as commander -in -chief. Please respond to Senator
1:35:14
Rubio. Well, I heard Hugh Hewitt, a nice man,
1:35:17
he apologized because he actually said that we
1:35:19
had a misunderstanding, and he said today that
1:35:21
Donald Trump is maybe the best interview there
1:35:24
is anywhere that he's ever done. Now, unless
1:35:26
he was just saying that on CNN to be nice, but
1:35:29
he did say that. Oh, you're the best interviewer
1:35:30
in America. And we had a legitimate misunderstanding
1:35:32
in terms of his pronunciation. a word, but I
1:35:36
would say just, well, I think it was. And he
1:35:39
actually said that. Did you say that? So radio
1:35:41
makes an interesting thing. Okay, so I will say
1:35:44
this, though. You was giving me name after name,
1:35:48
Arab name, Arab name, and there are few people
1:35:51
anywhere, anywhere that would have known those
1:35:55
names. I think he was reading them off a sheet.
1:35:57
And frankly, I will have, and I told him, I will
1:36:00
have the finest team. that anybody's put together,
1:36:03
and we will solve a lot of problems. You know,
1:36:05
right now, they know a lot, and look at what's
1:36:07
happening. The world is blowing up around us.
1:36:10
We will have great teams and great people. I
1:36:13
hope that answers your question. I mean, you
1:36:15
are on the Senate, but I hope that answers your
1:36:17
question. Well, it does, but then it's the following
1:36:19
way. This is an important question. I think if
1:36:21
you're running for president, these are important
1:36:23
issues, because look around the world today.
1:36:25
There is a lunatic in North Korea with dozens
1:36:27
of nuclear weapons and a long -range rocket that
1:36:29
can already hit the very place in which we stand
1:36:31
tonight. The Chinese are rapidly expanding their
1:36:34
military. They hack into our computers. They're
1:36:36
building artificial islands in the South China
1:36:38
Sea, the most important shipping lane in the
1:36:40
world. A gangster in Moscow is not just threatening
1:36:43
Europe. He's threatening to destroy and divide
1:36:45
NATO. You have radical jihadists and dozens of...
1:36:48
They even recruit Americans using social media
1:36:52
to try to attack us here at home. And now we've
1:36:55
got this horrible deal with Iran where a radical
1:36:57
Shia cleric with an apocalyptic vision of the
1:36:59
future is also guaranteed to one day possess
1:37:02
nuclear weapons and also a long -range rocket
1:37:04
that can hit the United States. These are extraordinarily
1:37:07
dangerous times that we live in. And the next
1:37:09
president of the United States better be someone
1:37:11
that understands these issues and has good judgment
1:37:13
about them. Because the number one issue that
1:37:15
a president will ever confront and the most important
1:37:18
obligation that the federal government has is
1:37:20
to keep this nation safe. And today, we are not
1:37:22
doing that. We are eviscerating our military,
1:37:24
and we have a president that is more respectful
1:37:27
to the Ayatollah in Iran than he is to the Prime
1:37:29
Minister of Israel. Mr. Trump, Senator Rubio
1:37:33
seemed to be suggesting... that you don't know
1:37:36
information. No, I don't think he's suggesting
1:37:38
that at all. Are you, Senator Rubio? I don't
1:37:40
think he's suggesting that. Well, that's why
1:37:40
we have a debate. I think that we should have
1:37:42
a deeper debate about these issues because there
1:37:44
is no more important decision that a president
1:37:46
will make. But are you saying that you have the
1:37:48
knowledge to be the president that Mr. Trump
1:37:51
does not have? Well, you should ask him questions
1:37:54
in detail about the foreign policy issues our
1:37:56
president will confront because you better be
1:37:57
able to lead our country on the first day. Not
1:38:00
six months from now, not a year from now, on
1:38:02
the first day in office, our president could
1:38:03
very well confront a national security crisis.
1:38:06
You can't predict it. Sometimes you cannot control
1:38:08
it. And it is the most, the federal government
1:38:10
does all kinds of things it's not supposed to
1:38:11
be doing. It regulates bathrooms. It regulates
1:38:14
schools that belong to local communities. But
1:38:17
the one thing that the federal government must
1:38:19
do, the one thing that only the federal government
1:38:21
can do, is keep us safe. And a president better
1:38:23
be up to date on those issues on his first day
1:38:25
in office, or on her first day in office. Mr.
1:38:28
Trump. Well, you have to understand, I am not
1:38:31
sitting in the United States Senate with, by
1:38:34
the way, the worst voting record there is today.
1:38:37
Number one, I am not sitting in the United States
1:38:40
Senate. I'm a businessman doing business transactions.
1:38:43
I am doing business transactions. I will know
1:38:47
more about this. And as you said, that was very
1:38:50
acceptable. And when you listened to that whole
1:38:52
interview, it was a great interview. You said
1:38:54
it. I didn't. Listen, just one second. Just one
1:38:59
second. I will know more about the problems of
1:39:04
this world by the time I sit. And you look at
1:39:07
what's going on in this world right now by people
1:39:09
that supposedly know this world is a mess. Senator
1:39:12
Rubio, he didn't invoke your absentee record
1:39:14
in the Senate. I'm proud to serve in the United
1:39:15
States Senate. You know, when I ran five years
1:39:17
ago, the entire leadership of my party in Washington
1:39:19
lined up against me. But I'm glad I won, and
1:39:22
I'm glad that I ran, because this country's headed
1:39:24
in the wrong direction. And if we keep electing
1:39:26
the same people, nothing is going to change.
1:39:28
And you're right, I have missed some votes, and
1:39:29
I'll tell you why, Mr. Trump. Because in my years
1:39:31
in the Senate, I figured out very quickly that
1:39:34
the political establishment in Washington, D
1:39:36
.C., in both political parties, is completely
1:39:38
out of touch with the lives of our people. You
1:39:40
have millions of people in this country living
1:39:42
paycheck to paycheck, and nothing's being done
1:39:44
about it. We are about to leave our children
1:39:46
with $18 trillion in debt, and they're about
1:39:48
to raise the debt limit again. We have a world
1:39:51
that grows increasingly dangerous, and we are
1:39:52
eviscerating our military spending and signing
1:39:54
deals with Iran. And if this thing continues,
1:39:58
we are going to be the first Americans to leave
1:39:59
our children, worse off than ourselves. That's
1:40:02
why I'm missing votes, because I am leaving the
1:40:04
Senate, I'm not running for re -election, and
1:40:06
I'm running for president, because I know this.
1:40:08
Unless we have the right president, we cannot
1:40:10
make America fulfill its potential. But with
1:40:12
the right person in office? The 21st century
1:40:15
can be the greatest era that our nation has ever
1:40:16
known. Thank you, Senator Rubio. I want to turn
1:40:18
now to Hugh Hewitt. Thank you, Jake. I've done
1:40:22
a lot of great interviews with all of you, but
1:40:23
Governor Bush, I talked to you in February about
1:40:25
the biggest elephant in a room full of elephants,
1:40:27
which is your last name. And you told me that
1:40:30
you would not be burdened either by your brother
1:40:32
or your father's legacy in the Middle East. And
1:40:34
then a week later, you rolled out your list of
1:40:36
foreign policy advisors. and it was a lot of
1:40:39
the band getting back together again so on behalf
1:40:42
of the military that is watching okay the active
1:40:45
duty military that are at the end of the sphere
1:40:47
what kind of a commander -in -chief is jeb bush
1:40:49
going to be and who are the advisors that are
1:40:52
new to your team well first of all hugh if you're
1:40:54
looking at republican advisors you have to go
1:40:57
to the last two administrations that happen to
1:40:59
be 41 and 43. So just by definition, if you're
1:41:03
in many of the people here that are seeking advice
1:41:06
from the foreign policy experts in the Republican
1:41:08
side, they served in my dad's administration,
1:41:11
my brother's administration. Of course, that's
1:41:13
the case. But I'm my own man. I'm going to create
1:41:15
a strategy that's based on. the simple fact that
1:41:18
the United States needs to lead the world. The
1:41:20
first thing that we need to do is to stop the
1:41:22
craziness of the sequester, rebuild our military
1:41:25
so that we don't deploy people over and over
1:41:28
again without the necessary equipment to keep
1:41:30
them safe, to send a signal to the world that
1:41:33
we're serious. If we're going to lead the world,
1:41:34
then we need to have the strongest military possible.
1:41:36
We need to rebuild our counterintelligence and
1:41:38
intelligence capabilities. We need to focus on
1:41:40
the fact that the next president is going to
1:41:42
start in 2017, not in 1990, you know. 30 years
1:41:47
ago, or when my brother started. The world is
1:41:49
dramatically different. And I believe that we
1:41:52
need to restore America's presence and leadership
1:41:54
in the world. Name a country where our relationship
1:41:56
is better today than it was the day that Barack
1:41:58
Obama got elected president. Under Hillary Clinton
1:42:01
and Barack Obama, we have seen a weakness that
1:42:03
now creates huge problems for the next president
1:42:06
of the United States. So I'll have a team that
1:42:07
will be following the doctrine that I set up,
1:42:11
and it'll be peace through strength. We're sitting
1:42:13
here in this library, which is a wonderful place
1:42:16
to talk about this, because that's exactly what
1:42:18
happened in the 1980s. Mr. Trump, I want to ask
1:42:25
you a question. You promised us great leaders,
1:42:27
and I believe that. Jeb Bush has laid out 20
1:42:31
different people that have experience around
1:42:33
the world. There are 190 countries. You can't
1:42:35
run the world by yourself. When are we going
1:42:36
to get some names on your military and your foreign
1:42:39
policy? And I'm meeting with people that are
1:42:41
terrific people. But I have to say something
1:42:43
because it's about judgment. I am the only person
1:42:46
on this day is the only person that fought very,
1:42:49
very hard against us. And I wasn't a sitting
1:42:52
politician going into Iraq. because they said,
1:42:55
going into Iraq, that was in 2003. You can check
1:42:59
it out. Check out. I'll give you 25 different
1:43:02
stories. In fact, a delegation was sent to my
1:43:05
office to see me because I was so vocal about
1:43:07
it. I'm a very militaristic person, but you have
1:43:11
to know when to use the military. I'm the only
1:43:13
person up here that fought against going into
1:43:16
Iraq. Hugh, can I make a response to that? Just
1:43:18
excuse me one second, Rand, if you don't mind,
1:43:20
Rand. You know, you are on the last, you do have
1:43:22
your 1%. I would like, and I think it's very
1:43:25
important, I think it's important because it's
1:43:28
about judgment. It's about judgment. I didn't
1:43:31
want to go into Iraq, and I fought it. Because
1:43:33
what I said to you, what I said, was you're going
1:43:36
to destabilize the Middle East, and that's what
1:43:39
happened. He's referred to me in his remarks.
1:43:41
May I make a response? Right after me. I'll yield
1:43:43
the floor. What do you guys say in the Senate
1:43:45
when you're talking and debating? Absolutely.
1:43:47
Go ahead. Here's the fact. When Donald Trump
1:43:50
talks about judgment, what was his position on
1:43:53
who would have been the best negotiator to deal
1:43:55
with Iran? It wasn't a Republican. It was Hillary
1:43:59
Clinton. That's what you believe. I mean, the
1:44:02
lack of judgment and the lack of understanding
1:44:03
about how the world works is really dangerous
1:44:06
in this kind of time that we're saying. So is
1:44:09
that the judgment that you bring to the table,
1:44:10
that Hillary Clinton is a great negotiator, that
1:44:12
she could bring about a better deal? Your brother
1:44:15
and your brother's administration gave us Barack
1:44:17
Obama because it was such a disaster those last
1:44:20
three months that Abraham Lincoln couldn't have
1:44:22
been elected. You know what? As it relates to
1:44:25
my brother, there's one thing I know for sure.
1:44:27
he kept us safe i don't know if you remember
1:44:30
donald you remember the the rubble you remember
1:44:40
the firefighter with his arms around it he sent
1:44:43
a clear signal that the united states would be
1:44:45
strong and fight islamic terrorism And he did
1:44:48
keep us safe. I don't know. You feel safe right
1:44:50
now? I don't feel so safe. May I respond? That's
1:44:52
because of Barack Obama. That's because of Barack
1:44:55
Obama. We've had a president who called ISIS
1:44:58
the J .B. squad, Yemen a success story, Iran
1:45:01
a place we can do business with. It's not because
1:45:03
of George W. Bush. It's because of Barack Obama.
1:45:07
But here on that point, though, whether we're
1:45:11
talking about national security, foreign policy,
1:45:14
Or we're talking about domestic policy. Or the
1:45:16
collapse of the economy. The key issue here is
1:45:18
talking about leadership. Now, there's a lot
1:45:20
of great people up here, and you've heard a lot
1:45:21
of great ideas out there. But I would ask the
1:45:23
American people, look at who's been tested. When
1:45:25
there were 100 ,000 protesters in my capital,
1:45:27
I didn't back down. When they issued death threats
1:45:29
against me and threats against my family, I didn't
1:45:31
back down. When they tried to recall me, I didn't
1:45:34
back down. And when they made me one of their
1:45:36
number one targets last year, I didn't back down.
1:45:38
Give me the chance to be your president. I won't
1:45:40
back down on any of these issues. Senator Paul.
1:45:41
The remark was made that there hadn't been anyone
1:45:44
else on the podium opposed to the Iraq war. I've
1:45:47
made my career as being an opponent of the Iraq
1:45:49
war. I was opposed to the Syrian war. I was opposed
1:45:52
to arming people who are our enemies. Iran is
1:45:56
now stronger because Hussein is gone. Hussein
1:45:58
was the great bulwark and counterbalance to the
1:46:02
Iranians. So when we complain about the Iranians,
1:46:04
you need to remember that the Iraq war made it
1:46:07
worse. Originally, Governor Bush was asked, was
1:46:09
the Iraq war a mistake? And he said, no, we'd
1:46:11
do it again. We have to learn. Sometimes the
1:46:14
interventions backfire. The Iraq war backfired
1:46:17
and did not help us. We're still paying the repercussions
1:46:20
of a bad decision. We have to make the decision
1:46:22
now in Syria. Should we topple Assad? Many up
1:46:26
here wanted to topple Assad, and it's like I
1:46:28
said no because if you do, ISIS will now be in
1:46:31
charge of Syria. I understand that Governor Bush's
1:46:34
name has been invoked, and then we can go to
1:46:35
you, Senator Rubio. Here's the lessons of history.
1:46:38
When we pull back, voids are created. We left
1:46:42
Iraq. We should have had a forces agreement to
1:46:44
stay there with a small force. And instead of
1:46:47
that, we politically and militarily pulled back,
1:46:49
and now we have the creation of ISIS. 36 days
1:46:52
ago, in this very library, I gave a speech with
1:46:55
a comprehensive strategy how to take out ISIS.
1:46:57
And it requires American leadership and engagement.
1:46:59
We don't have to be the world's policemen. But
1:47:02
we certainly have to be the world's leader. We
1:47:04
need to make sure that the world knows that we're
1:47:06
serious, that we're engaged, that we're not going
1:47:08
to pull back, that our word matters. And if we
1:47:11
do that, we can create a force that will take
1:47:14
out ISIS both in Iraq and in Syria, which will
1:47:17
take a lot longer time now because of what President
1:47:20
Obama's done by pulling back. And I want to go
1:47:22
even deeper in that direction because I think
1:47:24
the belief that somehow by retreating, America
1:47:26
makes the world safer. has been disproven every
1:47:29
single time it's ever been tried. Syria is a
1:47:31
perfect example of it. The uprising in Syria
1:47:33
was not started by the United States. It was
1:47:35
started by the Syrian people. And I warned at
1:47:38
the time, this was three and a half years ago,
1:47:39
I openly and repeatedly warned that if we did
1:47:42
not find moderate elements on the ground that
1:47:44
we could equip and arm, that void would be filled
1:47:47
by radical jihadists. Well, the president didn't
1:47:49
listen. The administration didn't follow through.
1:47:51
And that's exactly what happened. That is why
1:47:54
ISIS grew. That is why ISIS then came over the
1:47:56
border from Syria and back into Iraq. What is
1:47:58
happening in that region is the direct consequence
1:48:01
of the inability to lead and of disengagement.
1:48:03
And the more we disengage, the more airplanes
1:48:06
from Moscow you're going to see flying out of
1:48:08
Damascus and out of Syria, as you asked earlier
1:48:10
today. Dr. Carson. I haven't had an opportunity
1:48:15
to weigh in on foreign policy, and I just want
1:48:18
to mention that when the war... When the issue
1:48:22
occurred in 2003, I suggested to President Bush
1:48:26
that he not go to war. Okay, so I just want that
1:48:30
on the record. And, you know, a lot of people
1:48:32
are very much against us getting involved right
1:48:35
now with global jihadism. And they refer back
1:48:39
to our invasion of Iraq, and they seem to think
1:48:42
that that was what caused it. What caused it
1:48:44
was withdrawing from there and creating a vacuum,
1:48:48
which allowed this terrible situation to occur.
1:48:50
But it's very different from what's going on
1:48:52
today. We're talking about global jihadists who
1:48:55
actually want to destroy us. They are an existential
1:48:58
threat to our nation. And we have to be mature
1:49:01
enough to recognize that our children will have
1:49:04
no future if we put our heads in the sands. We
1:49:07
have to recognize we have two choices. We either
1:49:10
allow them to continue to progress and appear.
1:49:13
to be the winners, or we use every resource available
1:49:16
to us to destroy them first. It's interesting
1:49:17
that you say that because I want to ask Governor
1:49:19
Christie about something else that you have said.
1:49:22
Governor Christie, we just marked the 14th anniversary
1:49:24
of the 9 -11 attacks. Now, Dr. Carson has said
1:49:27
that if he had been president at the time, the
1:49:30
United States would not have gone to war in Afghanistan.
1:49:33
What does that say to you about how Dr. Carson
1:49:36
would respond as president if America were attacked
1:49:39
again? President Bush on September 10th, 2001.
1:49:47
And that next day, my wife, Mary Pat, did what
1:49:49
she did every day. She traveled through the World
1:49:51
Trade Center and went to her office two blocks
1:49:53
from the World Trade Center. And after those
1:49:57
planes hit for five and a half hours, after that,
1:49:59
I couldn't reach her, didn't know whether she
1:50:01
was dead or alive, and we had three children
1:50:03
at that time, eight, five, and one. And I had
1:50:05
to confront what so many thousands of others
1:50:07
in my region had to confront, the idea that I
1:50:10
might become a single parent. the idea that my
1:50:13
life and my children's life might be changed
1:50:15
forever. We lost friends that day. We went to
1:50:18
the funerals. And I will tell you that what those
1:50:20
people wanted and what they deserved was for
1:50:24
America to answer back against what had been
1:50:27
done to them. And I support what President Bush
1:50:29
did at that time. going into afghanistan hunting
1:50:32
al -qaeda and its leaders getting its sanctuary
1:50:35
out of place and making it as difficult around
1:50:38
the world for them to move people and money and
1:50:40
then he went to prosecutors like us and he said
1:50:43
never again Don't prosecute these people after
1:50:46
the crime is committed. Intervene before the
1:50:48
crime happens. I absolutely believe that what
1:50:50
the president did at the time was right, and
1:50:52
I am proud to have been one of the people on
1:50:54
the stage who was part of making sure that what
1:50:56
Governor Bush said before was the truth. America
1:50:58
was safe for those seven years, and Barack Obama
1:51:01
has taken that safety away from us. Dr. Carson.
1:51:05
Well, recognize that, you know, President George
1:51:14
W. Bush was a great friend of ours, and we spent
1:51:18
many wonderful days at the White House. I haven't
1:51:22
been there in the last seven years. I'd probably
1:51:24
have to have a food tester. But at any rate,
1:51:26
you know, I didn't suggest that nothing be done.
1:51:30
What I suggested to President Bush is to be Kennedy
1:51:35
-esque in the sense that when the Russians got
1:51:37
ahead of us in the space race... What we did
1:51:40
is use the bully pulpit to galvanize everybody.
1:51:44
Business, industry, academia behind a national
1:51:47
goal to put a man on the moon and bring him back
1:51:49
safely. I said, you can do the same kind of thing.
1:51:52
Declare that within five to ten years we will
1:51:54
become petroleum independent. The moderate Arab
1:51:57
states would have been so concerned about that,
1:52:00
they would have turned over Osama bin Laden and
1:52:02
anybody else you wanted on a silver platter within
1:52:04
two weeks. There are smart ways to do things,
1:52:07
and there are muscular ways to do things, and
1:52:10
sometimes you have to look at both of those to
1:52:13
come up with... Jake, I don't want to say this,
1:52:15
Jake, is that while that may have been a fine
1:52:18
idea that Dr. Carson had, these people were out
1:52:22
to kill us. I stood in that region with my family,
1:52:26
and every time a plane went overhead, in the
1:52:29
weeks after that, people's heads jerked to the
1:52:31
sky because they thought it was happening again.
1:52:34
You do not need to go through subtle diplomacy
1:52:37
at that point. That can be handled later on.
1:52:39
What you need is a strong American leader who
1:52:41
will take the steps that are necessary to protect
1:52:44
our nation. That's what I would do as commander
1:52:47
-in -chief in this circumstance, and that's what
1:52:49
President George W. Bush did in 2001. Dr. Carson?
1:52:57
I have no argument with having a strong leader
1:53:00
and to be aggressive where aggression is needed.
1:53:04
but it's not needed in every circumstance there
1:53:07
is a time when you can use your intellect to
1:53:09
come up with other ways to do things and i think
1:53:12
that's what we have started thinking about there
1:53:13
is no question that a lot of these problems that
1:53:16
we have been talking about in terms of the international
1:53:19
situation is because we are weak it's because
1:53:22
our navy is so small it's because our air force
1:53:25
is incapable of doing the same things that it
1:53:27
did a few years ago it's because our marine corps
1:53:30
is not ready to be deployed there are a lot of
1:53:33
problems that are going on and we need to solve
1:53:35
those problems we need to build up radical terrorism
1:53:37
cannot be solved by by intellect they cannot
1:53:40
they require that what they need is they need
1:53:42
an operating space that's what afghanistan was
1:53:44
for al -qaeda it was a vacuum that they filled
1:53:47
and they created an operating space That's why
1:53:49
they had to be drawn out of there. That's why
1:53:50
they had to be destroyed. It is the reason why
1:53:52
ISIS has now grown as well. We allowed them,
1:53:54
we allowed a vacuum to emerge in Syria. They
1:53:57
used it as an operating space to grow. And today
1:53:59
they're not just in Iraq and Syria anymore. They're
1:54:01
now in Libya conducting operations in the Sinai.
1:54:03
They're now in Afghanistan trying to supplant
1:54:06
the Taliban as the most powerful radical jihadist
1:54:09
group on the ground there as well. You cannot
1:54:11
allow radical jihadists to have an operating
1:54:13
safe haven anywhere in the world. Thank you,
1:54:15
Senator. Just today, there was a new report that
1:54:20
50 different intelligence analysts have said
1:54:24
that what they sent up the ladder was doctored
1:54:28
by senior officials so that they could give some
1:54:30
happy talk to the situation that we face. I love
1:54:34
the idea of a good intellectual capacity to deal
1:54:37
with our enemies. But the fact is, if you don't
1:54:39
have good intelligence that's reliable and it's
1:54:41
honest, you're not going to have good intelligence
1:54:43
and you cannot make good decisions. The next
1:54:46
president is primarily elected not just to know
1:54:49
things, but to know what to do with the things
1:54:52
that he knows. And the most dangerous person
1:54:54
in any room is the person who doesn't know what
1:54:57
he doesn't know. And the reason Barack Obama
1:54:59
has been dangerous to this country, and we'd
1:55:01
better elect someone who has had some executive
1:55:03
experience. is because we cannot afford another
1:55:06
eight years having a person in the office who
1:55:08
doesn't know what he does not know. Thank you,
1:55:11
Governor. I want to turn to ISIS. Governor Walker,
1:55:14
there is a big debate right now. We've been talking
1:55:19
about ISIS here and there in this discussion.
1:55:21
There's a big debate right now about whether
1:55:23
or not to send more U .S. troops to fight ISIS
1:55:26
in Iraq and Syria. In the first debate earlier
1:55:28
this evening, Senator Lindsey Graham argued that
1:55:31
candidates are only serious about... fighting
1:55:34
ISIS if they are willing to send 10 ,000 US troops
1:55:37
to Iraq, 10 ,000 US troops as part of a coalition
1:55:40
to Syria. Governor Walker, you say, you just
1:55:43
told me a few days ago, that the 3 ,000 US troops
1:55:45
there right now are enough as long as the rules
1:55:48
of engagement are changed. What do you know that
1:55:51
Senator Graham doesn't know? No, to be clear,
1:55:54
what I said the other day was that we need to
1:55:56
lift the political restrictions that are already
1:55:59
in play. Barack Obama's administration has put
1:56:01
political restrictions on the military personnel
1:56:04
already in Iraq. We need to lift those and then
1:56:07
we need to listen to our military experts, not
1:56:10
the political forces in the White House, but
1:56:12
our military experts about how many more we send
1:56:15
in. And we certainly shouldn't have a commander
1:56:17
in chief who sends a message to our adversaries
1:56:20
as to how far we're going to go. and how far
1:56:22
we're willing to fight. So I'm not putting a
1:56:24
troop number on. What I'm saying is lift the
1:56:26
political restrictions. When you do that, you
1:56:28
empower our military personnel already there
1:56:30
to work with the Kurd and the Sunni allies to
1:56:33
reclaim the territory taken by ISIS and to do
1:56:36
so in a way that allows that ISIS doesn't go
1:56:38
back in Syria, as we were just talking about
1:56:40
here. That is the fundamental problem going forward.
1:56:42
We have a president, and Hillary Clinton was
1:56:44
a part of this, by the way, who has made political
1:56:46
decisions for our men and women in uniform. I
1:56:49
want the men and women at home to know. If I
1:56:51
am Commander -in -Chief, I will only send you
1:56:54
into harm's way when our national security is
1:56:56
at risk. And if we do, you know you'll have our
1:56:59
full support. the support of the American people,
1:57:02
and you'll have a clear path for victory. Thank
1:57:04
you, Governor. Senator Paul, I want to go to
1:57:05
you because you have said that the boots on the
1:57:08
ground to fight ISIS need to be Arab boots. We
1:57:11
just learned today that despite the Obama administration
1:57:13
spending $500 million to help create those Arab
1:57:17
boots, there are only four or five U .S.-trained
1:57:19
fighters in Syria fighting ISIS. What does that
1:57:22
say to you about the effectiveness of the idea
1:57:25
of the boots on the ground need to be Arab boots?
1:57:28
If you want boots on the ground and you want
1:57:30
them to be our sons and daughters, you got 14
1:57:32
other choices. There will always be a Bush or
1:57:35
Clinton for you if you want to go back to war
1:57:37
in Iraq. But the thing is, the first war was
1:57:40
a mistake, and I'm not sending our sons and our
1:57:43
daughters back to Iraq. The war didn't work.
1:57:46
We can amplify those who live there. The Kurds
1:57:49
deserve to be armed, and I'll arm them. We can
1:57:52
use our Air Force to amplify the forces there,
1:57:54
but the boots on the ground need to be the people
1:57:56
who live there. My goodness, I'm still upset
1:57:58
with the Saudi Arabians for everything they do
1:58:00
over there. They've funded the arms that went
1:58:02
to the jihadists. They're not accepting any of
1:58:04
the people, any of the migrants that have been
1:58:06
the refugees that are being pushed out of Syria.
1:58:09
Saudi Arabia is not accepting one. Why are we
1:58:12
always the world's patsies that we have to go
1:58:14
over there and fight their wars for them? They
1:58:16
need to fight their wars. We need to defend American
1:58:19
interests, but it's not in America's national
1:58:21
security interests to have another war in Iraq.
1:58:23
We're going to turn to some domestic issues now.
1:58:25
I want to bring in my colleague, Dana Bass. Can
1:58:27
I just make one point on this whole military
1:58:30
discussion? I called for boots on the ground
1:58:35
many months ago in a coalition with our friends
1:58:38
who share our interests. You know, you win a
1:58:41
battle with the military. And when we go somewhere,
1:58:45
we need to be mobile and lethal. We need to take
1:58:47
care of business and we need to come home. But
1:58:49
we face also a bigger war. And you win the bigger
1:58:53
war with a battle of ideas. You wonder why young
1:58:56
people and educated people, rich people, schooled
1:58:59
people have tried to join ISIS. Western civilization,
1:59:03
all of us need to wake up to the fact that those
1:59:06
murderers and rapists need to be called out.
1:59:09
And in Western civilization, we need to make
1:59:12
it clear. that our faith in the Jewish and Christian
1:59:15
principles force us to live a life bigger than
1:59:18
ourselves, to be sinners in justice, so that
1:59:21
we can battle the radicals, call them out for
1:59:23
what they are, and make sure that all of our
1:59:25
people feel fulfilled in living in Western civilization.
1:59:28
This is a giant battle in the world today. Since
1:59:31
everyone has gotten to weigh in on this military
1:59:33
issue, I'd like to be able to do the same. We
1:59:36
have spent... Probably 12 minutes talking about
1:59:39
the past. Let's talk about the future. We need
1:59:42
the strongest military on the face of the planet,
1:59:45
and everyone has to know it. And specifically
1:59:48
what that means is we need about 50 Army brigades.
1:59:52
We need about 36 Marine battalions. We need somewhere
1:59:56
between 300 and 350 naval ships. We need to upgrade
2:00:01
every leg of the nuclear triad. We need to reform
2:00:04
the Department of Defense. We need as well. to
2:00:07
invest in our military technology. And we need
2:00:11
to care for our veterans so 307 ,000 of them
2:00:15
aren't dying waiting for health care. Thank you.
2:00:19
Governor Bush, let's talk about an issue that's
2:00:22
very important to Republican voters, and that's
2:00:25
the Supreme Court. After Chief Justice John Roberts
2:00:28
voted to uphold Obamacare twice, Senator Cruz
2:00:31
criticized your brother for appointing. John
2:00:34
Roberts to the Supreme Court. Looking back on
2:00:36
it, did your brother make a mistake? Well, I'm
2:00:39
surprised Senator Cruz would say that since he
2:00:40
was a strong supporter of John Roberts at the
2:00:42
time. I will talk about what I will do as President
2:00:46
of the United States as it relates to appointing
2:00:48
Supreme Court justices. We need to make sure
2:00:50
that we have justices that with a proven, experienced
2:00:54
record of respect for upholding the Constitution.
2:00:58
That is what we need. We can't have... The history
2:01:01
in recent past is appoint people that have no
2:01:04
experience so that you can't get attacked. And
2:01:07
that makes it harder for people to have confidence
2:01:09
that they won't veer off on decisions. Is John
2:01:11
Roberts one of those people? John Roberts has
2:01:14
made some really good decisions, for sure. But
2:01:16
he did not have a proven extensive record. that
2:01:19
would have made clarity the important thing.
2:01:22
And that's what we need to do. And I'm willing
2:01:24
to fight for those nominees to make sure that
2:01:26
they get passed. You can't do it the politically
2:01:29
expedient way anymore. This is the culture in
2:01:31
Washington. You have to fight hard for these
2:01:33
appointments. This is perhaps the most important
2:01:35
thing that the next president will do. Do you
2:01:37
like what you just heard, Senator Cruz? Well,
2:01:40
Dan, I've known... John Roberts for 20 years.
2:01:42
He was an amazingly talented lawyer, but yes,
2:01:44
it was a mistake when he was appointed to the
2:01:45
Supreme Court. He's a good enough lawyer that
2:01:47
he knows in these Obamacare cases, he changed
2:01:50
the statute, he changed the law in order to force
2:01:53
that failed law on millions of Americans for
2:01:55
a political outcome. And you know, we're frustrated
2:01:58
as conservatives. We keep winning elections,
2:02:00
and then we don't get the outcome we wanted.
2:02:02
Let me focus on two moments in time. Number one,
2:02:05
in 1990, in one room was David Souter, in another
2:02:08
room was Edith Jones, the rock -ribbed conservative
2:02:10
on the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. George
2:02:12
Herbert Walker Bush appointed David Souter. And
2:02:15
then in 2005, in one room was John Robertson,
2:02:18
in another room was my former boss, Mike Ludig,
2:02:21
the rock -ribbed conservative on the Fourth Circuit
2:02:23
Court of Appeals. Thank you, sir. George W. Bush
2:02:25
appointed John Robertson. Let me give you the
2:02:27
consequences of that. If instead the President
2:02:31
Bushes had appointed... edith jones and mike
2:02:33
ludig which is who i would have appointed obamacare
2:02:37
would have been struck down three years ago and
2:02:39
the marriage laws of all 50 states would be on
2:02:42
the books these matter and i've fought to defend
2:02:44
the constitution my whole life president as well
2:02:48
i want to let you respond well first of all he
2:02:49
as i said he supported john roberts he supported
2:02:52
him publicly so you can rewrite history i guess
2:02:55
ted but the simple fact is that you supported
2:02:57
him because he had all the Criteria that you
2:03:00
would have you would have thought would have
2:03:02
made a great justice and I think he is doing
2:03:04
a good job But the simple fact is going forward
2:03:06
what we need to do is to have someone that has
2:03:08
a long -standing set of rulings that consistently
2:03:12
makes it clear that he is focused exclusively
2:03:15
on upholding the Constitution of the United States
2:03:18
that they won't try to use the bench as a means
2:03:21
by which to to legislate and that's what we should
2:03:24
do and I hope I'll be working with members of
2:03:26
the United States Senate to fight hard for the
2:03:28
passage of people that have that kind of qualification.
2:03:31
Senator Cruz, 30 seconds. It is true that after
2:03:35
George W. Bush nominated John Roberts, I supported
2:03:37
his confirmation. That was a mistake, and I regret
2:03:39
that. I wouldn't have nominated John Roberts,
2:03:42
and indeed, Governor Bush pointed out why. It
2:03:44
wasn't that the President Bushes wanted to appoint
2:03:47
a liberal to the court. It's that it was the
2:03:49
easier choice. Both David Souter and John Roberts,
2:03:52
they didn't have a long paper trail. If you'd
2:03:55
nominated Edith Jones or Mike Ludig, you would
2:03:57
have had a bloody fight, and they weren't willing
2:03:59
to spend political capital to put a strong judicial
2:04:02
conservative on the court. I have spent my entire
2:04:05
life, starting from clerking for Chief Justice
2:04:07
William Rehnquist on the United States Supreme
2:04:09
Court, one of the most principled jurists. We
2:04:12
have an out -of -control court, and I give you
2:04:15
my word, if I'm elected president, every single
2:04:18
Supreme Court justice. will faithfully follow
2:04:21
the law and will not act like philosopher kings
2:04:24
imposing their liberal policies on millions of
2:04:27
Americans who need to be trusted to govern ourselves.
2:04:29
Thank you, Senator. Governor Huckabee, I want
2:04:32
to bring you in very quickly, if you could. Will
2:04:35
you have a litmus test when it comes to appointing
2:04:36
Supreme Court nominees? You better believe I
2:04:38
will, because I'm tired of liberals always having
2:04:40
a litmus test and conservatives are supposed
2:04:42
to pretend we don't. Well, let me tell you what
2:04:44
mine would be. Number one, I'd ask... Do you
2:04:46
think that the unborn child is a human being
2:04:49
or is it just a blob of tissue? I'd want to know
2:04:53
the answer to that. I'd want to know, do you
2:04:55
believe in the First Amendment? Do you believe
2:04:56
that religious liberty is the fundamental liberty
2:04:59
around which all the other freedoms of this country
2:05:01
are based? And I'd want to know, do you really
2:05:04
believe in the Second Amendment? Do you believe
2:05:07
that we have an individual right to bear arms,
2:05:10
to protect ourselves and our family, and to protect
2:05:13
our country? And do you believe in the... Fifth
2:05:14
and the 14th Amendment. Do you believe that a
2:05:17
person, before they're deprived of life and liberty,
2:05:19
should in fact have due process and equal protection
2:05:23
under the law? Because if you do, you're going
2:05:25
to do more than defund Planned Parenthood. One
2:05:28
final thing. I'd make darn sure that we absolutely
2:05:31
believe the 10th Amendment. Every governor on
2:05:33
this stage would share this much with you. Every
2:05:36
one of us. Our biggest fight wasn't always with
2:05:39
the legislature or even with the Democrats. My
2:05:42
gosh, half the time it was with the federal government
2:05:44
who apparently never understood that if it's
2:05:47
not reserved in the Constitution, then the 10th
2:05:50
Amendment says it's left to the states, but somebody
2:05:52
forgot to send a memo to Washington. Thank you,
2:05:54
Governor. We're going to take a quick break.
2:05:56
Coming up, one of the hottest questions that
2:05:58
you have been asking us via social media. We
2:06:01
will pose it to the candidates. That's coming
2:06:03
up right after this. Many people on social media
2:06:05
wanted us to ask about marijuana legalization.
2:06:08
Senator Paul, Governor Christie recently said,
2:06:11
quote, If you're getting high in Colorado today
2:06:14
where marijuana has been legalized, enjoy it
2:06:16
until January 2017 because I will enforce the
2:06:20
federal laws against marijuana. Will you? I think
2:06:23
one of the great problems and one of the American
2:06:25
people don't like about politics is hypocrisy.
2:06:28
People who have one standard for others and not
2:06:31
for themselves. There's at least one prominent
2:06:33
example on the stage of someone who says they
2:06:36
smoked pot in high school. And yet the people
2:06:38
who are going to jail for this are poor people,
2:06:40
often African Americans and often Hispanics.
2:06:43
And yet the rich kids who use drugs aren't. I
2:06:46
personally think that this is a crime for which
2:06:48
the only victim is the individual. And I think
2:06:50
that America has to take a different attitude.
2:06:53
I'd like to see more rehabilitation and less
2:06:55
incarceration. I'm a fan of the drug courts which
2:06:58
try to direct you back towards work and less
2:07:01
time in jail. But the bottom line is the states,
2:07:04
we say we like the 10th Amendment. until we start
2:07:06
talking about this. And I think the federal government's
2:07:09
gone too far. I think that the war on drugs has
2:07:12
had a racial outcome and really has been something
2:07:15
that's really damaged our inner cities. Not only
2:07:17
do the drugs damage them, we damage them again
2:07:19
by incarcerating them and then preventing them
2:07:21
from getting employment over time. So I don't
2:07:24
think that the federal government should override
2:07:26
the states. I believe in the 10th Amendment,
2:07:28
and I really will say that the states are left
2:07:31
to themselves. I want to give that... I want
2:07:35
to give the person that you called a hypocrite
2:07:37
an opportunity to respond. Do you want to identify
2:07:39
that person? Well, I think if we left it open,
2:07:42
we could see how many people smoked pot in high
2:07:43
school. Is there somebody you were specifically
2:07:46
thinking of? Well, you know, the thing is...
2:07:48
He was talking about me. Yeah, I was talking
2:07:50
about... That's what I thought, but I wanted
2:07:52
him to say it. I wanted to make it easier for
2:07:54
him, and I just did. Governor Bush, please. So
2:07:56
40 years ago, I smoked marijuana. uh and i admit
2:07:59
it i'm sure that other people might have done
2:08:00
it may not want to say it in front of 25 million
2:08:03
people my mom's not happy that i just did that's
2:08:07
true but here's the deal here's the deal we have
2:08:13
we have a serious epidemic of drugs that goes
2:08:15
way beyond marijuana what goes on in colorado
2:08:17
as far as i'm concerned that should be a state
2:08:19
decision but if you look at the problem of drugs
2:08:22
in this in this society today it's a serious
2:08:24
problem Rand, you know this because you're campaigning
2:08:27
in New Hampshire, like all of us, and you see
2:08:29
the epidemic of heroin, the overdoses of heroin
2:08:31
that's taking place. People's families are being
2:08:34
torn apart. It is appropriate for the government
2:08:37
to play a consistent role to be able to provide
2:08:39
more treatment, more prevention. We're the state
2:08:42
that has the most drug courts across every circuit.
2:08:46
in in in florida their drug courts to give people
2:08:49
a second chance that's the best way to do this
2:08:51
but let me respond the thing is is that in florida
2:08:55
governor bush campaigned against medical marijuana
2:08:57
that means that a small child like morgan hints
2:09:00
that has 500 seizures a day is failing on nine
2:09:03
traditional medications is not allowed to use
2:09:05
cannabis oil and that if they attempt to do that
2:09:08
in florida they will take the child away they
2:09:10
will put the parents in jail and that's what
2:09:12
that means if you're against allowing people
2:09:14
to use medical marijuana You'll actually put
2:09:16
them in jail. And actually, under the current
2:09:18
circumstances, kids who had privilege like you
2:09:21
do don't go to jail, but the poor kids in our
2:09:23
inner cities go to jail. I don't think that's
2:09:26
fair, and I think that we need to acknowledge
2:09:28
it, and it is hypocritical to still want to put
2:09:30
poor people in jail. I don't want to put poor
2:09:32
people in jail, Rand. Here's the deal. You oppose
2:09:35
medical marijuana? No, I did not oppose when
2:09:37
the legislature passed the bill to deal with
2:09:39
that very issue. That's the way to solve this
2:09:41
problem. Medical marijuana on the ballot was
2:09:44
opened up. There's a huge loophole, and it was
2:09:46
the first step towards getting to a Colorado
2:09:48
place. And as a citizen of Florida, I voted no.
2:09:51
But that means you'll put people in jail. I want
2:09:54
to go right now. Jake, you brought my issue up.
2:09:58
That's true. Go ahead, Christine, please. I enjoyed
2:10:00
the interplay. Thank you, gentlemen. I'll just
2:10:02
say this. You know, first off, New Jersey is
2:10:06
the first state in the nation that now says if
2:10:09
you are a nonviolent, non -dealing drug user.
2:10:12
that you don't go to jail for your first offense.
2:10:15
You go to mandatory treatment. You see, as Jake,
2:10:18
I'm pro -life. And I think you need to be pro
2:10:20
-life for more than just the time in the womb.
2:10:23
It gets a lot tougher when they get out of the
2:10:24
womb. And when they're the 16 -year -old drug
2:10:27
addict on the floor of the county lockup, that
2:10:29
life is just as precious as the life in the womb.
2:10:32
And so that's why I'm for rehabilitation, why
2:10:34
I think the war on drugs has been a failure.
2:10:35
But I'll end with this. That doesn't mean we
2:10:38
should be legalizing gateway drugs. And if Senator
2:10:40
Paul thinks that the only victim is the person.
2:10:42
Look at the decrease in productivity. Look at
2:10:45
the way people get used and move on to other
2:10:48
drugs when they use marijuana as a gateway drug.
2:10:50
It's not them that they're the only victims.
2:10:52
Their families are the victims, too. Their children
2:10:54
are the victims, too. And their employers are
2:10:56
the victims, also. And that's why I'll enforce
2:10:58
the federal law while you can still put an emphasis
2:11:00
on rehabilitation, which you've done in New Jersey.
2:11:02
You may respond, and then I'll bring in you,
2:11:04
Ms. Fiorina. Understand what they're saying.
2:11:09
If they're going to say we are going to enforce
2:11:11
the federal law against what the state law is,
2:11:15
they aren't really believing in the 10th Amendment.
2:11:17
Governor Christie would go into Colorado, and
2:11:20
if you're breaking any federal law on marijuana,
2:11:23
even though the state law allows it, he would
2:11:25
put you in jail. If a young mother is trying
2:11:28
to give her child cannabis oil for medical marijuana
2:11:31
for seizure treatment, he would put her in jail
2:11:34
if it violates federal law. I would let Colorado...
2:11:37
DO WHAT THE TENTH AMENDMENT SAYS. THIS POWER,
2:11:40
WE WERE NEVER INTENDED TO HAVE CRIME DEALING
2:11:43
AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. CRIME WAS SUPPOSED TO BE
2:11:45
LEFT TO THE STATES. COLORADO HAS MADE THEIR DECISION,
2:11:47
AND I DON'T WANT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INTERFERING
2:11:50
AND PUTTING MOMS IN JAIL WHO ARE SIMPLY TRYING
2:11:52
TO GET MEDICINE FOR THEIR KIDS. AND SENATOR PAUL
2:11:54
KNOWS THAT THAT'S SIMPLY NOT THE TRUTH. IN NEW
2:11:56
JERSEY, WE HAVE MEDICAL MARIJUANA LAWS, WHICH
2:11:58
I 'VE SUPPORTED AND IMPLEMENTED. THIS IS NOT
2:12:00
MEDICAL MARIJUANA. THIS GOES A MUCH FURTHER STEP
2:12:02
BEYOND. THIS IS RECREATIONAL USE OF MARIJUANA.
2:12:07
So while he'd like to use a sympathetic story
2:12:09
to back up his point, it doesn't work. I'm not
2:12:12
against medical marijuana. We do it in New Jersey.
2:12:14
But I am against the recreational use of marijuana.
2:12:17
If he wants to change the federal law, get Congress
2:12:20
to pass the law to change it and get a president
2:12:22
to sign it. May I respond? Yes, Senator Paul.
2:12:26
Here's the thing is, he doesn't want to make
2:12:28
it about medical marijuana, but what if New Jersey's
2:12:30
medical marijuana contradicts the federal law?
2:12:33
He's saying he will send the federal government
2:12:35
in and he will enforce the federal law. That's
2:12:38
not consistent with the 10th Amendment. It's
2:12:40
not consistent with states' rights. And it's
2:12:42
not consistent with a conservative vision for
2:12:44
the country. I don't think we should be sending
2:12:47
the federal police in to arrest a mother and
2:12:50
separate them from their child for giving a medicine
2:12:53
to their child for seizures. And Jake, I want
2:12:55
to bring in Ms. Fiorina. I want to bring in Ms.
2:12:57
Fiorina on this issue. I very much hope. that
2:13:01
i am the only person on this stage who can say
2:13:03
this but i know there are millions of americans
2:13:06
out there who will say the same thing my husband
2:13:08
frank and i buried a child to drug addiction
2:13:11
so We must invest more in the treatment of drugs.
2:13:16
I agree with Senator Paul. I agree with states'
2:13:19
rights. But we are misleading young people when
2:13:23
we tell them that marijuana is just like having
2:13:26
a beer. It's not. And the marijuana that kids
2:13:29
are smoking today is not the same as the marijuana
2:13:31
that Jeb Bush smoked 40 years ago. We do. Sorry,
2:13:36
Barbara. We do need, we do need criminal justice
2:13:40
reform. We have the highest incarceration rates
2:13:43
in the world. Two -thirds of the people in our
2:13:46
prisons are there for non -violent offenses,
2:13:49
mostly drug -related. It's clearly not working.
2:13:52
But we need to tell young people the truth. Drug
2:13:56
addiction is an epidemic, and it is taking too
2:13:59
many of our young people, I know this sadly,
2:14:02
from personal experience. Hugh Hewitt, I'd like
2:14:04
to... Tomorrow is... Republicans know this. Tomorrow
2:14:10
is Constitution Day. We've been talking about
2:14:11
the Tenth Amendment. Let's talk about the Second
2:14:13
Amendment. Governor Bush, one of the things the
2:14:15
Supreme Court has gotten right is that it's an
2:14:17
individual right. It's protected for individuals
2:14:19
to hold it. Last week, you said the next step
2:14:22
in gun issues is to make sure they're not in
2:14:25
the hands of the mentally ill. In this state,
2:14:27
there's a controversial law that allows guns
2:14:29
to be taken away from people without a hearing.
2:14:32
Where does it... go, and the problem of violence
2:14:35
is endemic, but where does it go from what you
2:14:38
said last week? How far into people's lives to
2:14:41
take guns away from them? Not very far. I think
2:14:43
we need to do this state by state. There are
2:14:46
places to get this right, and we need to make
2:14:48
sure that we protect the privacy laws. This is
2:14:50
a complicated place, but I do think the natural
2:14:53
impulse on the left, Hillary Clinton... immediately
2:14:56
after one of these horrific violent acts took
2:14:59
place, immediately said we need to have federal
2:15:01
gun laws. President Obama almost reflexively
2:15:03
always says the same thing. And the net result
2:15:06
is you're going to take away rights of law -abiding
2:15:09
citizens, the 99 .999 % of the people that are
2:15:13
law -abiding citizens. That's not the right approach
2:15:15
to do it. In Florida, we have a background check.
2:15:17
We have concealed weapon permit holders. In fact,
2:15:19
there's 1 ,200 ,000 of them. We have a reduction
2:15:22
in violent crime because we put people behind
2:15:25
bars when they use a gun in the commission of
2:15:27
a crime. That's the better approach. But we're
2:15:30
living in a society today where despair kind
2:15:32
of grows in isolation. member calls and says,
2:15:36
my child, my brother, my sister is disturbed,
2:15:39
ought the state be able to go and get their weapon
2:15:40
without a hearing? I think there needs to be
2:15:42
a hearing, but the fact is we need to encourage
2:15:44
that kind of involvement. That's exactly what
2:15:47
we need to do. And there's a broader issue here
2:15:49
as well. First of all, the only people that follow
2:15:51
the law are law -abiding people. Criminals, by
2:15:54
definition, ignore the law. So you can pass all
2:15:56
the gun laws in the world like the left wants.
2:15:58
The criminals are going to ignore it because
2:15:59
they are criminals. Here's the real issue. The
2:16:02
real issue. The real issue is not what are people
2:16:06
using to commit violence, but why are they committing
2:16:08
the violence? And here's the truth. Because you
2:16:11
cannot separate the social, moral well -being
2:16:13
of your people from their economic and other
2:16:15
well -being. You cannot separate it. You can't
2:16:18
have a strong country without strong people.
2:16:20
You cannot have strong people without strong
2:16:22
values. And you cannot have strong values without
2:16:24
strong families and the institutions in this
2:16:26
country that defend and support those families.
2:16:28
Thank you, Senator. Well, and today we have a
2:16:29
left -wing government under this president that
2:16:31
is undermining all of the institutions in society
2:16:33
that support the family and teach those values.
2:16:36
Senator Cruz, I wanted to go to you. You're a
2:16:40
constitutional litigator. Are you afraid of the
2:16:43
next step theory of what happens to Second Amendment
2:16:45
rights? I am not, and you mentioned that the
2:16:49
U .S. Supreme Court had rightly upheld the individual
2:16:52
right to keep and bear arms. I was proud to lead
2:16:55
31 states before the U .S. Supreme Court defending
2:16:58
the Second Amendment, and we won that landmark
2:17:01
victory. And indeed, just a couple of years ago,
2:17:04
when Harry Reid and Barack Obama came after the
2:17:07
right to keep and bear arms of millions of Americans,
2:17:09
I was proud to lead the fight in the United States
2:17:12
Senate to protect our right to keep and bear
2:17:15
arms. And for that reason, I was honored to be
2:17:18
endorsed by Gun Owners of America as the strongest
2:17:21
supporter of the Second Amendment on this stage
2:17:24
today, and I will fight every day to defend the
2:17:27
Bill of Rights. I'd like to turn to Dan Abash.
2:17:28
Mr. Trump, you have said once or twice that you
2:17:31
are really rich, and you are by far the richest
2:17:33
person on this stage. Chris Christie says billionaires
2:17:37
like you and even people who... make and earn
2:17:40
far less, should no longer get Social Security,
2:17:44
or at least there should be limits based on the
2:17:46
income. You think he's wrong? And if so, why?
2:17:49
Speaking for myself, I'm okay with it. I think
2:17:52
there's a certain truth to it. I know people
2:17:54
that, frankly, it has no impact on their life
2:17:56
whatsoever. There are many people. I would almost
2:17:58
say leave it up to them, but I would be willing
2:18:01
to check it off and say I will not get Social
2:18:03
Security. What about the country as a policy?
2:18:06
As a policy, I would almost leave it up to the
2:18:08
people. Don't forget, they pay in, and they pay
2:18:10
in, and maybe they do well, and maybe some people
2:18:12
want it. But the fact is that there are people
2:18:14
that truly don't need it, and there are many
2:18:16
people that do need it very, very badly. And
2:18:18
I would be willing to write mine off 100%, Dana.
2:18:21
So is a voluntary program a way to get the Social
2:18:25
Security system solvent again like that? No,
2:18:27
it's not. But with Donald in it, it's a good
2:18:29
start. That's really good. No, listen. This is
2:18:35
an issue that... that we've got to talk about,
2:18:37
and we haven't talked about yet. 71 % of all
2:18:39
federal spending is on entitlements and debt
2:18:42
service. When John Kennedy was elected president
2:18:45
in 1960, it was 26%. Harvard and Dartmouth says
2:18:49
that Social Security is going to go insolvent
2:18:51
in seven to eight years. So what I say is very
2:18:54
simple. We need to save this program for the
2:18:56
good people out there who have paid into the
2:18:57
system and need it. And if that means making
2:19:00
sure that folks like Donald and many of us on
2:19:02
this stage don't get it, that's the right thing
2:19:04
to do. Because here's what Hillary Clinton's
2:19:05
going to want to do. She's going to want to put
2:19:07
more money into a system that has already lied
2:19:09
to us and stolen from us. This government doesn't
2:19:11
need more money to be a Social Security sovereign.
2:19:14
We need to be not paying out benefits to people
2:19:16
who don't really need it. We need to protect
2:19:18
the people whose Social Security means the difference
2:19:20
between picking between heat and rent and food.
2:19:24
That's why I put out the proposal, and that's
2:19:26
the people I'm trying to protect. Thank you,
2:19:27
Governor. Governor Christie's right about Social
2:19:28
Security and Medicare. I'm coming to you right
2:19:29
now on a separate issue, sir. We received a lot
2:19:32
of questions from social media about climate
2:19:34
change. Senator Rubio, Ronald Reagan's Secretary
2:19:37
of State George Shultz reminds us that when Reagan
2:19:39
was president, he faced a similar situation to
2:19:41
the one that we're facing now. There were dire
2:19:43
warnings from the mass consensus of the scientific
2:19:46
community about the ozone layer shrinking. Shultz
2:19:48
says Ronald Reagan urged skeptics in industry
2:19:51
to come up with a plan. He said do it as an insurance
2:19:53
policy. In case the scientists are right, the
2:19:56
scientists were right, Reagan and his approach
2:19:58
worked. Secretary Shultz asks, why not take out
2:20:02
an insurance policy and approach climate change
2:20:04
the Reagan way? Because we're not going to destroy
2:20:06
our economy the way the left -wing government
2:20:09
that we are under now wants to do. I'm citing
2:20:11
George Shultz. Well, he may have lined up with
2:20:14
our positions on this issue, but here's the bottom
2:20:16
line. Every proposal they put forward are going
2:20:18
to be proposals that will make it harder to do
2:20:20
business in America, that will make it harder
2:20:21
to create jobs in America. Single parents are
2:20:24
already struggling across this country to provide
2:20:26
for their families. Maybe a billionaire here
2:20:29
in California can afford an increase in their
2:20:31
utility rates, but a working family in Tampa,
2:20:34
Florida, or anywhere across this country cannot
2:20:36
afford it. So we are not going to destroy our
2:20:38
economy. We are not going to make America a harder
2:20:40
place to create jobs in order to pursue policies
2:20:42
that will do absolutely nothing. Nothing. to
2:20:45
change our climate, to change our weather, because
2:20:48
America's a lot of things. The greatest country
2:20:50
in the world? Absolutely. But America is not
2:20:52
a planet. And we are not even the largest carbon
2:20:55
producer anymore. China is. And they're drilling
2:20:57
a hole and digging anywhere in the world that
2:21:00
they can get a hold of. So the bottom line is,
2:21:02
I am not in favor of any policies that make America
2:21:04
a harder place for people to live or to work
2:21:06
or to raise their families. Governor Christie,
2:21:08
you have said that climate change is real and
2:21:11
that humans help contribute to it the issue of
2:21:16
china versus the united states which i understand
2:21:18
you've talked about before what do you make of
2:21:21
skeptics of climate change such as senator rubio
2:21:23
i don't think senator rubio is a skeptic of climate
2:21:26
change i think what senator rubio said i agree
2:21:28
with that in fact we don't need this massive
2:21:30
government intervention to deal with the problem
2:21:33
look at what we've done in new jersey We've already
2:21:35
reached our clean air goals for 2020. And when
2:21:37
I was governor, I pulled out of the regional
2:21:39
cap and trade deal, the only state in the Northeast
2:21:41
that did that. And we still reached our goals.
2:21:43
Why? Because 53 percent of our electricity comes
2:21:45
from nuclear. We use natural gas. We use solar
2:21:49
power. We're the third highest using solar power
2:21:51
state. You know why? Because we made all of those
2:21:53
things economically feasible. I agree with Marco.
2:21:56
We shouldn't be destroying our economy in order
2:21:58
to chase some wild left wing idea that somehow
2:22:01
us by ourselves is going to fix the climate.
2:22:04
We can contribute to that and be economically
2:22:06
sound. We've proven that we can do that in New
2:22:08
Jersey. Nuclear needs to be back on the table
2:22:10
in a significant way in this country if we want
2:22:13
to go after this problem. Just for the record,
2:22:14
I was citing Secretary of State George Shultz,
2:22:17
Ronald Reagan's Secretary of State, who I don't
2:22:18
think anybody would call him left wing. Listen,
2:22:20
everybody makes a mistake every once in a while,
2:22:23
Jake, even George Shultz. And if that's truly
2:22:26
a representation of what he believes we should
2:22:28
be doing, then with all due respect to the former
2:22:30
Secretary of State, I disagree with him. Jake,
2:22:32
you mentioned me and call me. a denier. Let me
2:22:34
say, climate change... I called you a skeptic.
2:22:35
Okay, a skeptic. You know, you can measure the
2:22:37
climate. You can measure it. That's not the issue
2:22:39
we're discussing. Here's what I'm skeptical of.
2:22:42
I'm skeptical of the decisions that the left
2:22:45
wants us to make. Because I know the impact those
2:22:47
are going to have, and they're all going to be
2:22:49
on our economy. They will not do a thing to lower
2:22:51
the rise of the sea. They will not do a thing
2:22:53
to cure the drought here in California. But what
2:22:55
they will do is they will make America a more
2:22:57
expensive place to create jobs. And today, with
2:23:00
millions of people watching this broadcast that
2:23:02
are struggling paycheck to paycheck, that do
2:23:04
not know how they're going to pay their bills
2:23:06
at the end of this month, I am not in favor of
2:23:08
anything that is going to make it harder for
2:23:09
them to raise their family. Thank you, Senator.
2:23:11
I want to go to another question right now. A
2:23:16
lot of those people, though, and I'm going to
2:23:18
echo what Senator Rubio just said. This is an
2:23:21
issue where we're talking about in my state,
2:23:23
it's thousands of manufacturing jobs. Thousands
2:23:25
of manufacturing jobs for a rule the Obama administration,
2:23:29
as the EPA has said, will have a marginal impact.
2:23:33
on climate change. So we're going to put thousands
2:23:36
and thousands of jobs in my state. I think it's
2:23:38
something like 30 ,000 in Ohio, other states
2:23:40
across this country. We're going to put people
2:23:42
manufacturing jobs, the kind of jobs that are
2:23:44
far greater than minimum wage. This administration
2:23:46
is willing to put at risk for something its own
2:23:49
EPA says is marginal. Thank you, Governor. I'm
2:23:51
turning to another issue right now. I'm turning
2:23:54
to another. I'm turning to another issue right
2:23:57
now, Senator Cruz. Well, I think we've heard
2:23:59
from several this evening. A backlash against
2:24:01
vaccines. was blamed for a measles outbreak here
2:24:05
in California. Dr. Carson, Donald Trump has publicly
2:24:08
and repeatedly linked vaccines, childhood vaccines,
2:24:11
to autism, which, as you know, the medical community
2:24:14
adamantly disputes. You're a pediatric neurosurgeon.
2:24:18
Should Mr. Trump stop saying this? Well, let
2:24:22
me put it this way. There have been numerous
2:24:25
studies, and they have not demonstrated... and
2:24:28
that there's any correlation between vaccinations
2:24:30
and autism this was something that was spread
2:24:34
widely 15 or 20 years ago and it has not been
2:24:38
adequately you know revealed to the public what's
2:24:42
actually going on vaccines are very important
2:24:45
certain ones the ones that would prevent death
2:24:48
or crippling. There are others, a multitude of
2:24:52
vaccines, which probably don't fit in that category,
2:24:55
and there should be some discretion in those
2:24:57
cases. But, you know, a lot of this is pushed
2:25:01
by big government, and I think that's one of
2:25:04
the things that people so vehemently want to
2:25:08
get rid of big government. You know, we have
2:25:11
4 .1 million... federal employees. 650 federal
2:25:17
agencies and departments. That's why they have
2:25:19
to take so much of our taxes. Should he stop
2:25:21
saying it? Should he stop saying the vaccines
2:25:23
cause autism? Well, you know, I've just explained
2:25:26
it to him. He can read about it if he wants to.
2:25:29
I think he's an intelligent man and will make
2:25:30
the correct decision after giving the real fact.
2:25:33
Mr. Trump, as president, you would... Well, I'd
2:25:34
like to respond. I'm going right to you. I'd
2:25:36
like to respond. Mr. Trump, as president, you
2:25:37
would be in charge of the Centers for Disease
2:25:39
Control and the National Institutes of Health,
2:25:41
both of which say you are wrong. How would you
2:25:44
handle this as president? Autism has become an
2:25:46
epidemic. 25 years ago, 35 years ago, you look
2:25:51
at the statistics, not even close. It has gotten
2:25:54
totally out of control. I am totally in favor
2:25:57
of vaccines, but I want smaller doses over a
2:26:01
longer period of time. Because you take a baby
2:26:04
in, and I've seen it, and I've seen it, and I
2:26:07
had my children taken care of over a long period
2:26:10
of time, over a two - or three -year period of
2:26:12
time, same exact amount. But you take this little,
2:26:14
beautiful baby, and you pump. I mean, it looks
2:26:18
just like it's meant for a horse, not for a child.
2:26:21
And we've had so many instances, people that
2:26:23
worked for me just the other day, two years old,
2:26:26
two and a half years old, a child, a beautiful
2:26:27
child, went to have the vaccine and came back
2:26:31
and a week later got a tremendous fever, got
2:26:34
very, very sick, now is autistic. I only say
2:26:38
it's not, I'm in favor of vaccines. Do them over
2:26:40
a longer period of time, same amount. Thank you.
2:26:44
Just in little sections. Dr. Carson? And I think
2:26:48
you're going to have, I think you're going to
2:26:49
see a big impact on autism. Dr. Carson, you just
2:26:53
heard his medical take. He's an okay doctor.
2:27:01
But, you know, the fact of the matter is, we
2:27:08
have extremely well -documented proof. that there's
2:27:13
no autism associated with vaccinations but it
2:27:16
is true that we are probably giving way too many
2:27:19
in too short a period of time and a lot of pediatricians
2:27:23
now recognize that and i think are cutting down
2:27:26
on the number and the proximity in which those
2:27:29
are done and that's all i'm saying jake that's
2:27:31
all i'm saying dr paul i'd like to bring you
2:27:33
in a second opinion One of the greatest medical
2:27:41
discoveries of all time were the vaccines, particularly
2:27:45
for smallpox. And if you want to read a story,
2:27:47
it's called The Speckled Monster. It's an amazing
2:27:49
story. It was all done voluntarily, but people
2:27:52
came in by the droves. George Washington wouldn't
2:27:55
let his wife visit until she got vaccinated.
2:27:57
So I'm all for vaccines, but I'm also for freedom.
2:28:01
I'm also a little concerned about how they're
2:28:03
bunched up. My kids had all of their vaccines,
2:28:05
and even if the science doesn't say bunching
2:28:07
them up is a problem, I ought to have the right
2:28:09
to spread my vaccines out a little bit at the
2:28:11
very least. All right. Thank you so much. Coming
2:28:14
up. Jake. I'm sorry, Governor Huckabee, please.
2:28:17
I think we need to remember that there are maybe
2:28:20
some controversies about autism, but there's
2:28:22
no controversy about the things that are really
2:28:24
driving the medical costs in this country. And
2:28:26
I would really believe that the next president
2:28:28
ought to declare a war on cancer, heart disease,
2:28:31
diabetes, and Alzheimer's because those are the
2:28:34
four things that are causing the greatest level
2:28:36
of cost. John Kennedy said, we'll go to the moon
2:28:39
in a decade and bring a man back, and we did
2:28:41
it. I grew up in the 50s. I remember the polio
2:28:44
vaccine. We saved billions of dollars since that
2:28:47
time because we haven't had to treat for polio.
2:28:50
Why doesn't this country focus on cures rather
2:28:54
than treatment? Why don't we put a definitive
2:28:57
focus scientifically on finding the cure for
2:29:00
cancer, for heart disease, for diabetes? and
2:29:03
for Alzheimer's, a disease alone that will cost
2:29:05
us $1 .1 trillion by the year 2050. Thank you,
2:29:08
Governor. We changed the economy and the country.
2:29:10
We have to take another quick break. Coming up,
2:29:12
Ronald Reagan looming large over this debate.
2:29:14
So how Reagan -esque exactly are these Republicans?
2:29:18
We will find out next. Coming out of Chile with
2:29:39
a magnitude 8 .3 quake that occurred in the past
2:29:41
several hours. This particular quake, the strongest
2:29:43
one we've had on our planet this year. The depth
2:29:45
comes at a very shallow quake sitting at 25 kilometers.
2:29:48
Anytime you're talking about an 8 magnitude,
2:29:51
your depth is that shallow. Of course, the displacement
2:29:53
of water is a major concern. And in this portion
2:29:56
of the world, we're talking about a plate boundary
2:29:57
that is subducting underneath another plate boundary.
2:30:00
So you're displacing a significant amount of
2:30:02
water. This is why tsunami advisories, tsunami
2:30:04
alerts are in place across this region. video
2:30:07
coming out of chile at the time when this quake
2:30:09
occurred at 7 54 p .m local time again a very
2:30:13
significant quake because on our on average on
2:30:15
our planet we see 1 .5 million quakes every single
2:30:18
year about one is what you would expect when
2:30:21
it comes to getting to this magnitude and this
2:30:23
is video out of cnn or a chile bureau showing
2:30:26
you uh the folks across in this building feeling
2:30:28
the significant shaking in fact i can tell you
2:30:30
that over 27 million people felt some severe
2:30:34
to strong shaking across this portion of Chile.
2:30:37
And initially, the quake had come in at a 7 .8
2:30:40
magnitude. It was then revised to an 8 .3. Now,
2:30:43
that amount seems negligible. But with earthquakes,
2:30:45
you're talking about a logarithmic scale when
2:30:47
it comes to the intensity increasing. So when
2:30:50
you go up from 7 .8 to an 8 .3, you're talking
2:30:52
about a six -time increase in the shaking. And
2:30:54
the video certainly shows you what occurred across
2:30:57
this region when it comes to the significant
2:30:59
shaking. And the quake's epicenter was over 200
2:31:01
kilometers away from Santiago, a city of 5 million
2:31:04
people. the area as far as the intensity and
2:31:08
the propagation of wave energy, we know wave
2:31:10
heights measured at Coquimbo, which is a city
2:31:12
near the coast of Chile, just offshore of the
2:31:15
epicenter there, were somewhere around five or
2:31:17
so meters, four and a half to five meters. That
2:31:19
would put it around 15 feet high wave heights.
2:31:21
We have tsunami alerts now and advisories, I
2:31:24
should say, in place for coastal California and
2:31:26
also portions of the Hawaiian Islands. Warnings
2:31:28
in place, meaning you do not want to be anywhere
2:31:30
near the coastline around New Zealand and Peru.
2:31:32
Of course, they're seeing the displacement of
2:31:34
water. right now in Chile with these subduction
2:31:36
zones. These plates, they often move on the order
2:31:38
of 60 to 90 millimeters per year. So think about
2:31:40
the length that your fingernails grow. This is
2:31:43
how they're often moving and they're moving against
2:31:45
each other. So once they're displaced, the water
2:31:47
moves in towards the coastline and this is something
2:31:49
we're watching very carefully as the latest information
2:31:51
becomes available. We'll have more news coming
2:31:53
up shortly. Welcome back to CNN's Republican
2:32:08
presidential debate at the Reagan Library in
2:32:10
Simi Valley, California. We have a few last questions
2:32:12
for you, two of them a little lighthearted. The
2:32:15
other one more serious. We'll start with one
2:32:18
of the more light questions. Senator Paul, I'm
2:32:21
going to start with you, and we're just going
2:32:22
to go down the line. Earlier this year, the Treasury
2:32:25
Department announced that a woman will appear
2:32:28
on the $10 bill. What woman would you like to
2:32:30
see on the $10 bill? Ooh, that's a tough one.
2:32:35
You know, I'm big on that we were, and I love
2:32:38
what Carly said about women's suffrage. I think
2:32:40
Susan B. Anthony might be a good choice. Governor
2:32:43
Huckabee. That's an easy one. I'd put my wife
2:32:45
on there. i've been married to her 41 years she's
2:32:48
fought cancer and lived through it she's raised
2:32:50
three kids five great grandkids and she's put
2:32:54
up with me i mean who else could possibly be
2:32:57
on that money other than my wife and then that
2:32:59
way she could spend her own money in her face
2:33:01
senator paul senator rubio i'm sorry senator
2:33:05
rubio i know we all look alike just the senators
2:33:10
the uh rosa parks An everyday American that changed
2:33:16
the course of history? Senator Cruz. Well, I
2:33:19
wouldn't change the $10 bill. I'd change the
2:33:21
$20. I'd take Jackson off, and I'd leave Alexander
2:33:24
Hamilton right where he is as one of our founding
2:33:26
fathers. And I very much agree with Marco that
2:33:29
it should be Rosa Parks. She was a principled
2:33:32
pioneer that helped change this country, helped
2:33:34
remedy racial injustice, and that would be an
2:33:37
honor that would be entirely appropriate. Dr.
2:33:39
Carson. I'd put my mother on there. You know,
2:33:41
she was one of 24 children, got married at age
2:33:44
13, had only a third -grade education, had to
2:33:47
raise two sons by herself, refused to be a victim,
2:33:51
wouldn't let us be victims, and has been an inspiration
2:33:54
for many people. Mr. Trump. Well, because she's
2:34:00
been sitting for three hours, I think my daughter,
2:34:02
Ivanka, who's right here. Other than that, we'll
2:34:05
go with Rosa Parks. I like that. Governor Bush.
2:34:08
I would go with Ronald Reagan's partner, Margaret
2:34:10
Thatcher. Probably illegal, but what the heck,
2:34:12
since it's not going to happen. A strong leader
2:34:15
is what we need in the White House, and she certainly
2:34:17
was a strong leader that restored the United
2:34:19
Kingdom to greatness. Governor Walker. First
2:34:21
of all, I've got to say to Carson Huckabee, thanks
2:34:23
a lot for making the rest of us look like chumps
2:34:25
up here, but I'd put Clara Barton. I once worked
2:34:28
for the American Red Cross. She was a great founder
2:34:30
of the Red Cross. Ms. Fiorina. i wouldn't change
2:34:33
the 10 bill or the 20 bill i think honestly it's
2:34:36
a gesture i don't think it helps to change our
2:34:39
history what i would think is that we ought to
2:34:42
recognize that women are not a special interest
2:34:44
group when women are the majority of this nation
2:34:47
we are half the potential of this nation and
2:34:49
this nation will be better off when every woman
2:34:52
has the opportunity to live the life she chooses
2:34:54
governor kasich Well, it's probably not maybe
2:35:03
legal, but I would pick Mother Teresa, the lady
2:35:06
that I had a chance to meet, a woman who lived
2:35:08
a life so much bigger than her own, an inspiration
2:35:11
to everyone when we think about our responsibility
2:35:14
to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. Governor
2:35:17
Christie. I think the Adams family has been shorted
2:35:20
in the currency business. Our country wouldn't
2:35:23
be here without John Adams, and he would not
2:35:25
have been able to do it without Abigail Adams,
2:35:27
so I put Abigail Adams on the bill. All right.
2:35:29
Some good entries if anybody at the Mint was
2:35:32
listening. Here's the next lighthearted question.
2:35:35
You all know that the United States Secret Service
2:35:38
uses code names for the president and his family.
2:35:41
Ronald Reagan's code name, for example, was Rawhide,
2:35:44
an homage to his performances in Westerns. Nancy
2:35:47
Reagan's was Rainbow. You don't have to come
2:35:50
up with the one for your spouse, but what would
2:35:52
you want, Governor Christie, I'll start with
2:35:54
you, your Secret Service code name to be? You
2:36:00
know, I've been called a lot of names by a lot
2:36:02
of different people. Now I've got to get called
2:36:04
by names by the Secret Service. I would just
2:36:06
say true heart. Well, I have one now with my
2:36:10
detail. They called me Unit 1. My wife says,
2:36:13
you'll never be Unit 1. I'm Unit 1. You're Unit
2:36:16
2. Secretariat. Governor Walker. Harley. I love
2:36:24
Brian Harlers. Ever ready. It's very high energy,
2:36:27
Donald. Mr. Trump? Humble. That's a good one.
2:36:50
Dr. Carson? One nation. Senator Cruz? You know,
2:36:56
as a Cuban, I might go with Cohiba. And I'll
2:36:59
tell you, I'd go with, for Heidi, Angel, because
2:37:01
she is my angel. Senator Rubio? Well, there's
2:37:04
some people in Florida upset at me over a joke
2:37:06
I made about Florida State, but what the heck,
2:37:08
I want my code name to be Gator. Governor Huckabee?
2:37:12
I'd go with Duck Hunter. Senator Paul? Justice
2:37:17
never sleeps. That's a mouthful, but okay. Okay,
2:37:22
here's the more serious question. Ronald Reagan,
2:37:24
the 40th president, used the plane behind you
2:37:28
to accomplish a great many things, perhaps most
2:37:31
notably to challenge Mikhail Gorbachev to tear
2:37:34
down the wall and then ultimately to make peace
2:37:37
with the USSR. How will the world look different
2:37:41
once your Air Force One is parked in the hangar
2:37:46
of your presidential library? Senator Paul. You
2:37:51
know, I met Ronald Reagan as a teenager, and
2:37:53
my family were big supporters of him when he
2:37:56
ran against Gerald Ford. It was a big deal because
2:37:59
he was at the grassroots running against the
2:38:01
establishment. And I'll never forget that and
2:38:03
how we stood up and said, you know what, this
2:38:05
is something new that our country needs and our
2:38:08
party needs. If I were president, I would try
2:38:11
to be one who says, you know what, I'm a Reagan
2:38:14
conservative. I'm someone who believes in peace
2:38:16
through strength, and I would try to lead the
2:38:18
country in that way. knowing that our goal is
2:38:21
peace and that war is the last resort, not the
2:38:24
first resort. And that when we go to war, we
2:38:26
go to war in a constitutional way, which means
2:38:29
that we have to vote on it, that war is initiated
2:38:31
by Congress, not by the president, and that we
2:38:34
go to war reluctantly. But then when we go to
2:38:36
war, we don't fight with one arm tied behind
2:38:38
our back. We fight all out to win, but then we
2:38:41
come home. At the end of my presidency, I would
2:38:49
like to believe that the world would be a safe
2:38:51
place and there wouldn't be the threats, not
2:38:54
only to the U .S., but to Israel and our allies,
2:38:57
because we would have the most incredible, well
2:39:00
-trained, well -equipped, well -prepared military
2:39:02
in the history of mankind. And they would know
2:39:05
that a commander in chief would never send them
2:39:06
to a mission without all the resources necessary.
2:39:09
But people wouldn't bully us anymore because
2:39:12
they would know that that would be an invitation
2:39:14
to their destruction domestically. We'd be operating
2:39:18
under a tax system that eliminated the IRS. People
2:39:21
wouldn't be punished for their work and for what
2:39:24
they produced. And life would be really deemed
2:39:27
precious. Abortion would be no more. It would
2:39:30
be as much of a scourge in our past as slavery
2:39:32
is. And we'd have a peaceful country where people
2:39:36
respected each other and people respected law
2:39:38
enforcement. And we would focus on cures. And
2:39:42
we would make this country not only safe from
2:39:44
our enemies without, It's safe from the enemies
2:39:47
within. And it would be a good place to raise
2:39:50
our kids and our grandkids. One of the things
2:39:59
that made Ronald Reagan a great president is
2:40:00
that he understood that America was a unique
2:40:02
nation, unlike any other that had existed throughout
2:40:05
human history. He knew it was founded on universal
2:40:07
principles that were powerful, the dignity of
2:40:10
all people, human rights, the rights of all to
2:40:12
live in freedom and liberty and to choose their
2:40:14
own path in life. He just didn't believe it.
2:40:16
He acted on it. That's why bringing down communism
2:40:18
was so important to him. If I'm honored with
2:40:21
the opportunity to be president, I hope that
2:40:23
our Air Force One will fly first and foremost
2:40:25
to our allies in Israel, in South Korea, in Japan.
2:40:28
They know we stand with them, that America can
2:40:30
be counted on. It would also fly to China, not
2:40:33
just to meet with our enemies, not just to meet
2:40:35
with those adversaries of ours that are there,
2:40:37
but also to meet with those that aspire to freedom
2:40:40
and liberty within China. I would even invite
2:40:42
them to my inauguration. We would also fly into
2:40:44
Moscow and into Russia, and not just meet with
2:40:47
the leaders of Russia, but also meet with those
2:40:49
who aspire to freedom and liberty in Russia.
2:40:51
And ultimately, I hope that my Air Force One,
2:40:54
if I become president, will one day land in a
2:40:57
free Cuba, where its people can choose their
2:40:59
leaders and its own destiny. Ronald Reagan believed
2:41:09
in America. If I'm elected president, our friends
2:41:12
and allies across the globe will know that we
2:41:14
stand with them. The bust of Winston Churchill
2:41:17
will be back in the Oval Office, and the American
2:41:20
Embassy in Israel will be in Jerusalem. Enemies
2:41:24
across this world will know the United States
2:41:26
is not to be trifled with. ISIS will be defeated.
2:41:29
We will have a president willing to utter the
2:41:32
words radical Islamic terrorism, and the Ayatollah
2:41:35
Khamenei... will understand that he will never,
2:41:39
ever, ever acquire nuclear weapons. Here at home,
2:41:43
we'll reignite the promise of America. Young
2:41:46
people coming out of school with student loans
2:41:49
up to their eyeballs will find, instead of no
2:41:51
jobs, two, three, four, five job opportunities.
2:41:54
How will that happen? Through tax reform. We'll
2:41:57
pass a simple flat tax and abolish the IRS. And
2:42:01
through regulatory reform, we will repeal every
2:42:04
word. of Obamacare. You want to know what I'll
2:42:08
do as president? It's real simple. We'll kill
2:42:11
the terrorists, we'll repeal Obamacare, and we
2:42:14
will defend the Constitution, every single word
2:42:18
of it. Well, you know, I was a radical Democrat
2:42:27
before I started listening to Ronald Reagan.
2:42:30
And he didn't sound like what they said Republicans
2:42:33
were. he sounded logical and i hope that i sound
2:42:39
logical also because when i look at what's going
2:42:42
on with the united states of america i see a
2:42:44
lot of things that are not logical i see us allowing
2:42:47
people to divide us when in fact our strength
2:42:51
is in our unity i see people exercising the most
2:42:56
irresponsible fiscal habits that anyone could
2:42:59
possibly do and hiding it from the american people
2:43:04
so that the majority of people have no idea what
2:43:07
our financial situation is so when someone comes
2:43:10
along and says free college free phones free
2:43:14
this and that and the other they say wow that's
2:43:16
nice having no idea that they're destabilizing
2:43:19
our position and i think also that ronald reagan
2:43:23
was a master at understanding that a pinnacle
2:43:26
nation has to be a nation that leads if we learn
2:43:30
to lead in the middle east right now a coalition
2:43:33
will form behind us but they will never do it
2:43:35
if we just sit there and talk about it real leadership
2:43:39
is what i would hopefully hopefully bring to
2:43:42
America. If I become president, we will do something
2:43:51
really special. We will make this country greater
2:43:55
than ever before. We'll have more jobs. We'll
2:43:58
have more of everything. We were discussing disease.
2:44:02
We were discussing all sorts of things tonight,
2:44:04
many of which will just be words. It'll just
2:44:07
pass on. I don't want to say politicians. All
2:44:09
talk, no action. But a lot of what we talked
2:44:11
about is words, and it'll be forgotten very quickly.
2:44:14
If I'm president, many of the things that we
2:44:16
discuss tonight will not be forgotten. We'll
2:44:19
find solutions. And the world will respect us.
2:44:22
They will respect us like never before. And it'll
2:44:26
be actually a friendlier world. And I have to
2:44:28
say, it's a great honor to be here tonight. Six
2:44:35
million more people are living in poverty than
2:44:38
the day that Barack Obama got elected president.
2:44:40
Six million more people. The middle class has
2:44:42
had declining income. Workforce participation
2:44:45
rates are lower than they were in 1977. For the
2:44:49
first time in modern history, more businesses
2:44:51
are failing than are being created. That is what
2:44:54
the next president will have to deal with. And
2:44:56
I believe we can reverse course by creating a
2:44:58
strategy of high sustained economic growth. Not
2:45:01
the new normal of 2 % that all the left says
2:45:03
we just have to get used to. but a 4 % growth
2:45:06
strategy where we reform how we tax. Fix the
2:45:09
broken regulatory system. Embrace the energy
2:45:11
revolution in our midst. Fix the immigration
2:45:14
system so we can turn it into an economic driver.
2:45:17
Deal with the structural fiscal problems that
2:45:19
exist because of our entitlement problems that
2:45:22
will overwhelm and create way too much debt.
2:45:24
If we grow at 4%, people are going to be lifted
2:45:26
out of poverty. The great middle that defines
2:45:28
our country will have a chance to be able to
2:45:30
pursue their dreams as they see fit. That should
2:45:33
be the great challenge and the great opportunity
2:45:36
for the next president of the United States.
2:45:38
consensus to go back to a high growth strategy
2:45:40
and then we'll be able to lead the world without
2:45:44
a high growth strategy our country will never
2:45:46
have the resources or the pot or the optimism
2:45:49
to be able to lead the world which the world
2:45:51
desperately needs our leadership why turned 13
2:46:00
13 years old two days before Ronald Reagan was
2:46:03
first elected a lot of people forget this But
2:46:05
just a few days before that election in 1980,
2:46:07
he was behind in the polls. And I think what
2:46:09
changed things was people in America realized
2:46:12
they didn't want to hear what was bad about America.
2:46:14
They wanted to know how it was going to be better.
2:46:16
Ronald Reagan wasn't just a conservative Republican.
2:46:18
He was an eternal optimist in the American people.
2:46:21
And I am, too. So here's what I think will make
2:46:23
America better. We need to live in a world where
2:46:25
our children are free. ARE FREE FROM THE THREATS
2:46:28
OF RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM. WE NEED TO LIVE
2:46:30
IN AN AMERICA WHERE WE HAVE AN ECONOMY WHERE
2:46:33
EVERYONE CAN LIVE THEIR PIECE OF THE AMERICAN
2:46:35
DREAM NO MATTER WHAT THAT DREAM IS. AND WE NEED
2:46:37
TO LIVE IN AN AMERICA WHERE WE HAVE A FEDERAL
2:46:39
GOVERNMENT THAT'S NOT TOO BIG TO FAIL, BUT ULTIMATELY
2:46:43
SMALL ENOUGH TO SUCCEED, WHERE WE SEND POWERS
2:46:45
BACK TO THE STATES AND BACK TO THE PEOPLE. THAT'S
2:46:48
WHAT I DID IN WISCONSIN. WE TOOK ON THE BIG GOVERNMENT
2:46:50
UNION BOSSES, THE BIG GOVERNMENT SPECIAL INTERESTS,
2:46:52
MANY OF WHOM CAME IN FROM WASHINGTON. to spend
2:46:54
millions of dollars to try and take me out because
2:46:56
we stood up to them. We didn't back down in any
2:46:59
of those instances. If you give me the chance
2:47:01
as your next president, I won't back down any
2:47:03
day, any way, anyhow. I'll fight and win for
2:47:06
you and your families every single day I'm in
2:47:08
office. I think what this nation can be and must
2:47:16
be is symbolized by Lady Liberty and Lady Justice.
2:47:21
Lady Liberty stands tall and strong. she is clear
2:47:25
-eyed and resolute she doesn't shield her eyes
2:47:27
from the realities of the world but she faces
2:47:29
outward into the world nevertheless as we always
2:47:32
must and she holds her torch high because she
2:47:35
knows she is a beacon of hope in a very troubled
2:47:38
world and lady justice lady justice holds a sword
2:47:42
by her side because she is a fighter a warrior
2:47:46
For the values and the principles that have made
2:47:48
this nation great, she holds a scale in her other
2:47:50
hand. And with that scale, she says, all of us
2:47:54
are equal in the eyes of God. And so all of us
2:47:57
must be equal in the eyes of the law and the
2:47:59
government, powerful and powerless alike. And
2:48:02
she wears a blindfold. And with that blindfold,
2:48:05
she is saying to us that it must be true, it
2:48:08
can be true, that in this country, in this century,
2:48:11
it doesn't matter who you are. It doesn't matter
2:48:14
what you look like. It doesn't matter how you
2:48:17
start. It doesn't matter your circumstances.
2:48:19
Here in this nation, every American's life must
2:48:23
be filled with the possibilities that come from
2:48:26
their God -given gifts. One nation, under God,
2:48:29
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
2:48:44
I will make this a nation that will solve problems.
2:48:47
And how? By having the elected officials and
2:48:51
the leaders realize they're Americans before
2:48:53
they're Republicans or Democrats. I did it in
2:48:57
Washington, and I've done it in Ohio by having
2:49:00
the elected officials realize that they're Ohioans
2:49:04
before anything else. Secondly, I will rebuild
2:49:08
the relationships and show the respect to our
2:49:10
allies around the world. We have no choice but
2:49:13
to do that. We will be stronger when we are unified
2:49:16
and will fight for freedom and for human rights.
2:49:19
And finally, maybe a little bit of what Carly
2:49:22
said. The people that are out there listening,
2:49:25
America was never great because we ran America
2:49:28
from the top down. America is great because we've
2:49:31
run America from the bottom up where we all live
2:49:34
in the neighborhoods. One more time in America,
2:49:37
we need to revive the concept of citizenship.
2:49:40
where everybody's actions make a huge difference
2:49:43
in changing the world. We have a Holocaust memorial
2:49:46
on our statehouse grounds, and there is one line
2:49:49
on there that stands out all the time. If you've
2:49:51
saved one life, you've changed the world. We
2:49:55
need to adopt that as citizens and rebuild and
2:49:58
re -inspire our country. Thank you. I turned
2:50:07
18 in 1980. And my first vote was for Ronald
2:50:10
Reagan. Boy, am I glad I did it. And I think
2:50:12
the country is, too. A Christie presidency won't
2:50:15
be about me. It'll be about you. Tonight, you
2:50:19
sit at home in your living room, frustrated that
2:50:21
you play by the rules, you pay the taxes, you
2:50:24
do the hard things to raise your family, yet
2:50:27
you feel like America's generosity is being taken
2:50:29
advantage of, that your system is being gamed,
2:50:32
and that you're turning out to fall further and
2:50:35
further behind. Our presidency, our presidency
2:50:39
will be about ending that, about enforcing the
2:50:42
law, level the play field for everybody, and
2:50:45
once again reward those folks who play by the
2:50:47
rules and think that justice means more than
2:50:50
just a word, but it means a way of life. And
2:50:53
I will tell you this, around the world, I will
2:50:55
not shake hands with, I will not meet with, and
2:50:59
I will not agree to anything with a country that
2:51:03
says death to us. and death to Israel and holds
2:51:07
our hostages while we sign agreements with them.
2:51:10
It will be an America that will be strong and
2:51:13
resolute and will once again be able to stick
2:51:15
out its chest and say, we truly are the greatest
2:51:18
nation in the world because we live our lives
2:51:21
that way each and every day. That concludes this
2:51:32
Republican presidential debate. On behalf of
2:51:34
everyone here at CNN, we want to thank the candidates,
2:51:37
the Reagan Library, and the Republican National
2:51:39
Committee. Thank you also to Hugh Hewitt and
2:51:42
Dan Abash. The next presidential debate will
2:51:44
also be right here on CNN among the Democratic
2:51:46
candidates who will face off for the first time
2:51:50
on October the 13th. That debate, a partnership
2:51:53
with Facebook, will be moderated by my colleague...
2:51:56
Anderson Cooper. And Anderson picks up our coverage
2:51:59
of tonight's debate right now. Before I throw
2:52:01
to Anderson, let's have one final round of applause
2:52:03
for the candidates.