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Tammy Hembrow Joins Tinder · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Kate Torber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembrough
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  Speaker 1: returns to dating as the new face of Tinder, Sarah's
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  Speaker 1: Day's fitness challenge kicks off and Louis Tomlinson opens up
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  Speaker 1: for the first time about One Direction's cold split. But first,
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  Speaker 1: I am joined by both Amy and Sophie. It is
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  Speaker 1: the first time in over six months that all three
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  Speaker 1: of us have been on the podcast, bar the birth episodes.
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  Speaker 1: There's a bit of pressure. This better be a good
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  Speaker 1: episode if all three of us are on it.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: We are on a strict time schedule as well. Somehow
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  Speaker 1: we are managing to do this while all of our
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  Speaker 1: kids are either napping or with their grandparents. Now, I
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  Speaker 1: want to kick things off by talking about an unorthodox
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  Speaker 1: partnership that developed between Molly Mae and Heinz. Amy, can
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  Speaker 1: you tell us more? Now, when you think of Molly Mae,
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  Speaker 1: you'd never think she would actually share an unboxing of
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  Speaker 1: Heinz baked beans. However, the Heinz team clearly have their
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  Speaker 1: finger on the pulse because they sent Molly a can
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  Speaker 1: adorned with Emily's beans, Bambi's beans, and Dory's beans. And
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  Speaker 1: as Molly said in a video, if you know, you know. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we discussed this on the show a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 1: but this is in reference to that viral video of
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  Speaker 1: Molly Mae's daughter discussing who she wanted to bite at daycare.
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  Speaker 1: Let's throw to a little bit of what she said.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to bite someone.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to bite.
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  Speaker 2: No. No way.
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  Speaker 3: No, we don't use our mouth to bite, do we?
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  Speaker 3: What do we use our mouth for?
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  Speaker 2: For.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. For food, for eating.
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  Speaker 1: We bite our food.
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  Speaker 3: Don't bite anyone.
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  Speaker 2: Good.
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  Speaker 3: We bite Emily.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: We bite Dory.
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  Speaker 1: No. Clearly someone on the marketing team of Heinz saw
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity and ran with it. The only thing that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense in my mind is during that clip,
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  Speaker 1: Molly said, we don't bite Emily. We don't bite Dory.
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  Speaker 1: but we bite food. And this is food. This is
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  Speaker 1: Emily's beans. Well, they're clearly, Sophie, giving each of the
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  Speaker 1: girls beans to eat instead of biting each other. That
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  Speaker 1: is the whole clever thing about this campaign. And it
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  Speaker 1: is just such great reactive marketing. I mean, this wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have cost Heinz much money at all. And the exposure
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  Speaker 1: they have now received from Molly's channel, and also due
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  Speaker 1: to all of the countless TikTok videos that have been
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  Speaker 1: put up, It's absolutely priceless. It actually does make me
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  Speaker 1: feel like cracking open a tin of baked beans. But
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  Speaker 1: I feel like they're more something that you enjoy in winter,
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  Speaker 1: which obviously in the UK, it's coming up to winter. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the Heinz campaign has also allowed Molly to address the
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  Speaker 1: viral video in a little bit more detail. So she
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  Speaker 1: cleared up a misconception. She revealed that one of the
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  Speaker 1: girls Bambi intended on biting wasn't actually named Dory, as
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  Speaker 1: all the memes ran with. Let's take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: what she said.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this is the perfect time for me to mention,
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  Speaker 3: I actually love that people think it's Dory, but it's
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  Speaker 3: actually Story. That's who she was talking about. I, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think either way, it's not really acceptable, but it
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  Speaker 3: was Story, not Dory. Even Sky TV, like the Sky
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  Speaker 3: TV channel, they were posting on their TikTok account pictures
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  Speaker 3: of Dory from like Finding Nemo. I'm just like, listen,
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  Speaker 3: like whoever they want to interpret it as, like either way,
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  Speaker 3: it's not okay. And either way, I don't condone.
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  Speaker 4: It, but....
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting because story features quite often on Molly's channel.
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  Speaker 1: She is the daughter of Molly's best friend. So Bambi
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  Speaker 1: doesn't seem very happy with her. Yeah, but remember when
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  Speaker 1: they were trying to crack the code of who the
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  Speaker 1: biter was initially, she said that one of her friend's
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  Speaker 1: daughters also got bitten. And so maybe unbeknownst to her,
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  Speaker 1: it was actually Bambi who bit her. Did you guys
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  Speaker 1: think there was a TikTok that went viral? And it
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  Speaker 1: was a photo someone posted of their child who'd been
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  Speaker 1: bitten at daycare. And her name was Emily. And everyone
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  Speaker 1: was flooding the comment section saying, well, she must go
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  Speaker 1: to Molly Mae's daughter's daycare. Well, I hope Bambi takes
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  Speaker 1: some beans for her as an apology. Rumors are true.
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  Speaker 4: I'm officially in my new dating era. And yes, I'm
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  Speaker 4: on Tinder looking for my next crush.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough has announced she's looking for her next crush
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  Speaker 1: on Tinder. The OG fitness influencer made the revelation as
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  Speaker 1: part of a paid partnership with the dating app. Ironically,
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  Speaker 1: the news comes just weeks after Tinder's former ambassador and
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  Speaker 1: AFL player, Bailey Smith, publicly friend-zoned Tammy. Kate, can you
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  Speaker 1: tell us more about the announcement? Well, Tammy shared the
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  Speaker 1: reel in collaboration with Tinder. And at the time of recording,
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  Speaker 1: it's had over a million views. Now, Tammy and Tinder
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  Speaker 1: definitely knew what they were doing. In the reel, Tammy
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  Speaker 1: is sitting in her car like she does for a
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  Speaker 1: lot of her candid content and text appeared on the
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  Speaker 1: screen that said, addressing the rumors. I clicked on this
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  Speaker 1: so quickly. Let's take a listen to some of what
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  Speaker 1: she said.
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  Speaker 4: My dating life always seems to make headlines, but you're
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  Speaker 4: hearing it here first. I'm officially putting myself back out there. Honestly,
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  Speaker 4: I feel like everyone thinks dating has to be so
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  Speaker 4: serious and It's supposed to be fun. So I'm on
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  Speaker 4: Tinder to see who's out there. Hopefully I'll meet some
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  Speaker 4: people who match my vibe. And if it turns into
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  Speaker 4: something more, even better.
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  Speaker 1: There were pretty mixed reviews in the comment section of
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  Speaker 1: this paid partnership post. There was a lot of commentary
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  Speaker 1: about how much she got paid to promote Tinder. One
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  Speaker 1: person wrote, love you girl, but be real right now.
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  Speaker 1: How much did they pay you? And that comment got
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  Speaker 1: over 1.2 thousand likes. Another follower was happy for Tammy writing,
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  Speaker 1: you know what? Hell yeah. Tinder paid her a stack
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  Speaker 1: to promo this. So why the hell not go you?
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  Speaker 1: What do we think she got paid for this? It
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  Speaker 1: would have had to be a hell of a lot
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  Speaker 1: considering she's putting out there that she's single. She's had
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  Speaker 1: to make a public profile where essentially I'm assuming she's
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  Speaker 1: pretending that she's actively looking on there. She's not looking
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  Speaker 1: on there. She would be on Raya. I would say
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  Speaker 1: she would be paid in the hundreds of thousands for
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  Speaker 1: this because it means that she has to publicly open
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  Speaker 1: up about her dating life, which she already gets so
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  Speaker 1: much flack for. And she got a lot of flack
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  Speaker 1: in the comments. She ended up having to go on
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  Speaker 1: an Instagram story and say, guys, don't hate the player,
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  Speaker 1: hate the game, come on now. I also think judging
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  Speaker 1: by her audience size, this would have been a massive
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  Speaker 1: paycheck as well. So I don't think you're far off
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  Speaker 1: when you're saying the hundreds of thousands. There was also
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  Speaker 1: a lot of commentary around people being surprised that she
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  Speaker 1: was single. Lots of people were writing, didn't you just
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  Speaker 1: get married? I mean, come on, keep up everyone. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the thing that just surprised me the most was obviously
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  Speaker 1: Bailey Smith had his huge campaign with Tinder. And I
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  Speaker 1: just thought, wait a sec, are you guys at Tinder
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  Speaker 1: trying to claim that this is how they met? Like,
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  Speaker 1: are you backtracking now? What's going on?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people seem confused. I think that the
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  Speaker 1: Tinder marketing team were just clever and thought, oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: Bailey Smith and Tammy Hembrough dating has received so much publicity.
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  Speaker 1: Let's reach out to her and see if she's keen. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of happy for Tinder because the pair were
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  Speaker 1: first spotted just weeks after the company launched Bailey as
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  Speaker 1: the face of their double dating campaign. It kind of
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  Speaker 1: screwed the campaign over for them and it's incredible marketing
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  Speaker 1: from Tinder. I don't know if it necessarily screwed over
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  Speaker 1: their campaign because I feel like Tinder has a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a reputation for being a casual dating app and
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  Speaker 1: clearly Tammy and Bailey are We're just seeing where things went.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't particularly serious. But it was obvious that they
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  Speaker 1: didn't meet on Tinder. I mean, Bailey confirmed on the
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  Speaker 1: Kyle and Jackie O show that he slid into her DMs.
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  Speaker 1: And we've got to remember the point of getting Bailey
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  Speaker 1: Smith on Tinder was so that they could attract a
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  Speaker 1: lot of females back to the app. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you think, oh, there's no point he's not even
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  Speaker 1: on here because he's dating Tammy Hembrough, like it It
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  Speaker 1: did throw a spanner in the works to their campaign.
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  Speaker 1: It is an interesting move, though, because by using Bailey
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  Speaker 1: Smith as an ambassador, they were clearly going for a
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  Speaker 1: female Gen Z audience. With Tammy, her following would predominantly
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  Speaker 1: be millennial women. So are they trying to attract both
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  Speaker 1: of those different age groups on board? Well, I think
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  Speaker 1: Tinder have more got her on board because they know
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  Speaker 1: that traditional media are going to jump on this. Every
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  Speaker 1: time Tammy does something since her divorce... Even traditional media
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  Speaker 1: cover it. Well, it's brand awareness, isn't it? Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: they've got so much coverage. I mean, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people probably thought Tinder was no longer around. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: dating apps at the moment are going through a really
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  Speaker 1: tricky time. Just recently, we saw Bumble cut a third
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  Speaker 1: of its workforce. Tinder have been in a similar predicament.
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  Speaker 1: They've cut 13% of jobs at their place of work. Well,
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  Speaker 1: when I chat to any single friends, everyone says that
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  Speaker 1: they're always on Hinge. I found it a little bit
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  Speaker 1: far-fetched that people now think that the whole Tammy and
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  Speaker 1: Bailey relationship was just a PR campaign for Tinder. Because
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  Speaker 1: if it was, it's definitely beaten out the Indian bouvet
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  Speaker 1: campaign when she was supposedly working an office job. But
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't really make any sense that this was a
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  Speaker 1: campaign because as we've established, they didn't meet on Tinder. Well,
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  Speaker 1: and also if you look at it logically, it would
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  Speaker 1: make more sense if they were both ambassadors at the
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  Speaker 1: time for Tinder. Because it would be like, oh, they
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  Speaker 1: must have met on the app. But it's clearly just
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  Speaker 1: reactive PR. And it's not as if Tammy's popped up saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I met a really great guy on this app.
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  Speaker 1: There's no actual connection between the Tammy campaign and the
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  Speaker 1: Bailey campaign. I wonder what Bailey's thinking about it, because
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  Speaker 1: it seems like perhaps they're not speaking anymore. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's all bullshit. I think they're still seeing each other.
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  Speaker 1: Just because Bailey didn't bring Tammy to the brown, though.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean everything is off. Like you don't actually
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  Speaker 1: bring someone you're casually seeing to a huge awards night
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  Speaker 1: like that. Putting it out there, do we think part
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  Speaker 1: two of the campaign is a reunion between Bailey and Tammy?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe they reconnect on Tinder and we see them back
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  Speaker 1: out on the Gold Coast. I don't know if this
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  Speaker 1: campaign is helping Tammy though, because a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: have been keeping score about who's winning the the breakup
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  Speaker 1: between Matt and Tammy. And I think Matt has been
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  Speaker 1: playing it incredibly well over the last couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: He's been garnering a lot of sympathy recently. Obviously, that
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  Speaker 1: might have dropped off a bit after he was seen
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  Speaker 1: out with his new Adelaide girl. Well, the timing of
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  Speaker 1: this campaign launching is interesting because, as you said, over
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  Speaker 1: the weekend, Matt was spotted in Adelaide with a new woman.
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  Speaker 1: It kind of seems like every time Matt does something,
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  Speaker 1: Tammy manages to take the attention back. I'm on day
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  Speaker 1: two of the 560 challenge along with over 2,000 of you.
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  Speaker 4: How fun.
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  Speaker 1: We are all doing it together. Sarah's Day's 560 challenge
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  Speaker 1: kicked off this week with more than 2,000 women signing
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  Speaker 1: up to take part. While sales figures have likely hit $ 300, 000,
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  Speaker 1: the stat has led many to question Sarah's relevance. Now, Kate,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think about the number of people who've
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  Speaker 1: signed up? Well, she's clearly made a lot of money
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  Speaker 1: off the bat with this program because it costs $ 145.
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  Speaker 1: And when you times that by 2000, you hit just
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  Speaker 1: under 300K, which is a massive amount of money. But
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  Speaker 1: when you consider that she has a following of 1
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  Speaker 1: million people, it's a pretty low percentage of her followers
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  Speaker 1: that she's actually got to purchase this fitness program. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be turning my nose up at $ 300, 000 though
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  Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. Oh, definitely not. But I
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  Speaker 1: do think it is reflective of the relevance that Sarah has,
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  Speaker 1: particularly when you look at the sales figures for her
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  Speaker 1: previous eBooks. So she's sold five different eBooks and she
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  Speaker 1: has promoted heavily on her website and across social media
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  Speaker 1: that she's had 150,000 downloads on those eBooks. So when
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  Speaker 1: you consider that the latest eBook ebook has only had 2000.
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  Speaker 1: That's a long way off what she used to do.
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  Speaker 1: But the other ebooks have been around for quite some
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  Speaker 1: time now. I think the first ebook was launched 10
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  Speaker 1: years ago. So yeah, but I think that they had
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  Speaker 1: the majority of downloads at the start. Well, it's not
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  Speaker 1: particularly surprising because in recent years, she's really moved away
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  Speaker 1: from fitness content and she's more moved into the motherhood space.
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  Speaker 1: When she was at her peak, she was releasing three
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  Speaker 1: vlogs a week. Nowadays, you're lucky to get one vlog
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  Speaker 1: a month. I'm hoping this actually is a reflection on
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  Speaker 1: the fact that as a society, we can now see
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  Speaker 1: through toxic diet culture and people are no longer willing
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  Speaker 1: to sign up to this 60 day program that pushes
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  Speaker 1: this very toxic rhetoric around exercising and punishing yourself and
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  Speaker 1: being accountable. I also think though, a lot of it
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  Speaker 1: has to do with the fact that there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of competition out there since Sarah first launched her eBooks.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we've got so many different influencer guides and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of influencers have moved from eBooks to apps
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  Speaker 1: that are a lot cheaper. I mean, $ 145 for a
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  Speaker 1: 60-day program is a lot of money. Her previous eBooks
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  Speaker 1: were half the price. It is really expensive, but it's
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  Speaker 1: funny you mentioned the toxic element, Kate, because I think
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  Speaker 1: that's what actually has appealed to the people that have
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  Speaker 1: signed up. Because I was speaking to a friend and
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  Speaker 1: she said, look, I know that Sarah's Day can be toxic,
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  Speaker 1: but it kind of makes me want to do the
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  Speaker 1: guide because I do want to get fit. And I
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  Speaker 1: see the results that she has. Well, an anonymous member
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  Speaker 1: of our Facebook group actually submitted a similar post saying,
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  Speaker 1: I have been looking at the guide and I know
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  Speaker 1: it's probably toxic, but should I do it? And the
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  Speaker 1: feedback in our Facebook community was, no, don't do it.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people were like, just get onto ChatGPT
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  Speaker 1: and get them to draw a plan up for you
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  Speaker 1: because it is a waste of money considering that Sarah
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  Speaker 1: Day has no qualifications. I mean, I'm actually quite concerned
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  Speaker 1: because a lot of the commentary that since this challenge
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  Speaker 1: has taken part is that people are finding it really difficult.
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  Speaker 1: And some people are saying, I haven't been able to
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  Speaker 1: walk since doing the challenge. Are there any alternatives that
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  Speaker 1: we can do? And she's had to put out a
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  Speaker 1: video showing alternative exercises saying, oh, this is actually an
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  Speaker 1: intermediate advanced program. But if you're a beginner, you can
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  Speaker 1: do this. Now, nowhere in the marketing did it ever
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  Speaker 1: say intermediate to advanced. I think Sarah has just got
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  Speaker 1: her audience wrong, particularly considering that she's been marketing a
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  Speaker 1: program for mums returning to exercises That is far too difficult. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I succumbed to the temptation. I want to say it
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  Speaker 1: was probably seven years ago and I bought one of
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  Speaker 1: her eBooks. I think it was the sweaty shredder one.
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  Speaker 1: Sweat it to shred it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, what? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Sweat it to shred it, whatever it's called. And it
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  Speaker 1: was because I really wanted the results. I mean, Sarah
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  Speaker 1: has an incredible figure. Anyway, it was torture this plant.
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  Speaker 1: Every day there was a new workout that seemed to
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  Speaker 1: be just crueler than the last one. I remember She
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  Speaker 1: said to get a pack of cards and throw them
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  Speaker 1: on the ground. And then each suit would be a
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  Speaker 1: particular type of exercise. And then the number on them
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  Speaker 1: would be how many you had to do. And if
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  Speaker 1: you consider how many cards are in a pack of cards,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, it was absolutely hellish. And it was
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  Speaker 1: just not realistic or enjoyable. Well, it's interesting you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: her Sweat It to Shred It guide because the first
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  Speaker 1: workout was recycled from that program. And it seems like
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  Speaker 1: she's just repeating some of the workouts that are in
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  Speaker 1: previous eBooks, which if I had bought those before. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how I'd feel about it. Well, she seems
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  Speaker 1: to be complaining a bit about the challenge herself because
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  Speaker 1: as we've touched on, there are a set of rules
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  Speaker 1: that you need to abide by when you're doing the challenge,
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  Speaker 1: which just seems particularly archaic. And she complained that she
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  Speaker 1: didn't like the no social media after 6pm. And it
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  Speaker 1: is an interesting rule because it means she can't actually
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  Speaker 1: document what she's having for dinner on the meal plan,
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  Speaker 1: which is another way to promote her product. Yeah, she
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  Speaker 1: should have done after 8pm. She's probably kicking herself so
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  Speaker 1: worried about how many injuries are going to be sustained
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  Speaker 1: from this program, particularly because it's 60 days of consecutive
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  Speaker 1: exercise with no rest and recovery. What percentage of the
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  Speaker 1: 2,000 do we think are actually completing the full 60 days? Well,
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  Speaker 1: what's also different this time around about her marketing this
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  Speaker 1: style of program is that a lot of these people
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  Speaker 1: who've purchased it, they have their right of reply on
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  Speaker 1: TikTok now. So they can jump on TikTok, they can
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  Speaker 1: complain about their injuries and complain about how difficult it is.
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  Speaker 1: And it would be very difficult having a brand these
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  Speaker 1: days with that in mind, particularly a program like this.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: In all honesty though, do you think she cares? Because
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: it kind of seems like a bit of a money
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: grab to me, the fact that her perfume didn't really
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: work out with who is Elijah. Well, it didn't work out.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: Now she's been able to put out this program and pocket, what, 300K.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: There wouldn't have been too much monetary input into getting it.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Other than a graphic designer, what else would she have
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: spent money on? I actually think that it's more her
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: trying to rework her image and find herself again after
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: having three children. And before those three children, she was
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: fanatical about exercise. So in that sense, I'm happy for
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: her that she's leaning back into something that interests her,
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: but not really happy that this program is quite outdated.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Oh God, Sophia, that's so earnest of you. It's clearly
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: a cash grab. And it's worked. It's made her nearly $ 300, 000.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that nice little deposit into her bank account
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: might be going towards her second beach house.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: These are all the same faces that I've seen every
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: single day, but I've never quite felt an energy like
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: that in the room. There was this emptiness.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: For the first time, former One Direction singer Louis Tomlinson
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: has given inside details about the band's decision to go
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: on a hiatus. Speaking on the Diary of a CEO podcast,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Louis labelled the split as cold and said he can't
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: imagine a reunion after Liam Payne's death. Now Sophie, Louis'
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: appearance on the podcast was a pretty big deal. It
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: ended up screening in theatres across the US and UK.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just spewing that it wasn't screened here in Australia
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: because I am a massive One Direction fan and I
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: was gripped by this interview. It was definitely also long
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: enough to be a movie. It was nearly two and
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: a half hours and I felt like he came across
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: really well. He was very articulate. thoughtful in what he said,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: and also very humble. He straight up said off the
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: bat that he's aware that he's not the best singer
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: in the world and admitted at times that he's been
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: very uncomfortable with his success. I have to say, like,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I am a One Direction fan. I went to their
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: concert when they came here in Adelaide, loved their music.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: but I was never really, you know, I wasn't one
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: of those obsessive fans. I didn't really know a lot
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: about Louis. Well, I think that we were too old
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to be sort of in the fandom. So it was
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: really interesting to actually hear him talk for two hours
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: because when, you know, One Direction do interviews, you only
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: hear very little bits and pieces from the boys, but
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: he was a bit of a fan favorite. I think
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: more for his personality rather than his ability.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: And He was one of my favorites purely on looks.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I thought he was really cute at the time. And
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I knew there was something about
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: him because he just came across as such a nice guy.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Reflecting on what he said about his success, it was
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: quite interesting because he said it's only been in the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: past two years that he's actually put up his awards
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: in his house. And he explained that he was worried
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: when people came over that they would notice the awards
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: and And it would make them feel uncomfortable. And the
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: conversation would instantly gravitate back to his success. And he
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: said that in life, he just wants to be in
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: an even playing field with everyone. And he doesn't want
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: to be that guy in the band who won those awards.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: It's really clear that he's craving this sense of normality.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: The part of the podcast that really touched me the
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: most was when he spoke about losing his mom and
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: his sister, because we haven't actually heard until now him
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: speak in detail about what actually happened and how he
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: felt at the time.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: And I think what really shone through was that even
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: though he's had all of these terrible things happen to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: him and these big losses, he still remains this glass
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: half full kind of guy. He said that he doesn't
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: want to be pitied or defined by those moments in
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: his life. You could tell he carried a lot of
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: guilt around being away during his One Direction days. He
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: spoke about how he has identical twin sisters and he
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: started to not be able to tell them apart. So
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: he used to be like, oh, hey, babe, hey, babe.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: But He said he doesn't even think they know that
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: he couldn't tell them apart. Yeah, well, he said he'd
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: never told his sisters Daisy or Phoebe that story. Now,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: what I was really fascinated to hear about was 10
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: years on how Louis actually felt about Zayn Malik's departure
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: from One Direction because at the time, fans were really
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: shocked by Zayn's decision and they feared it was the
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: beginning of the end of the band, which it ended
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: up being. And Louis admitted that he was absolutely crushed
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: by this decision and he was devastated as Zayn was
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: actually one of his best mates in the band at
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: the time. I was really interested to hear what went
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: on behind the scenes because Louis was the one that
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: actually lashed out at Zayn on social media. You could
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: tell he really wasn't happy about it. Yeah, well, in
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: this interview, he said it felt like a betrayal because
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: they were best friends and he went on to share
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: these stories, I suppose, to demonstrate how close they were.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: They were the only two band members at the end
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: who actually continued sharing their dressing rooms with one another
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: because he said initially when they started One Direction, they
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: didn't want to be this band who were up themselves
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and had individual dressing rooms. But That ended up being
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the case. He also spoke about how he and Zayn
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: would return to the tour bus after each show and
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: smoke weed and play Call of Duty or Zombies together.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: And this was off the back of Stephen Bartlett bringing
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: up Liam Payne's interview that he did a number of
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: years ago where he spoke about using the minibar as
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: a vice following the big shows. And Louis admitted that
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: his vice was weed. I was surprised how often he
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: dropped about smoking weed because I think I still think
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: of him as being that young boy from One Direction
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and it was such a squeaky clean band that if
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: a story like that had come out while they were
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: in the band in its heyday, I think it would
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: have been massive. Yeah, but that's because Weed is pretty
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: small fry and as he said that it gave him
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: a sense of normality because he knew that his mates
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: back home were doing the same thing and it's not
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: a big deal but I'm just saying that I feel
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: like if that story broke, it would have been a
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: massive deal. Remember the huge headlines when Prince Harry got
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: caught with weed? It was like front page news. Yeah, well,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I suppose there would have been a lot of discussions
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: around the fact that they're role models to young kids.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: But it's quite interesting because he said that the weed
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: really suited his brain at the time because they would
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: have such a crazy experience on stage that he would
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: have all of this noise in his head and the
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: weed would help quieten it down. And he described it
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: as a really lovely way to debrief with Zayn after
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the shows, away from all of the madness, where he
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: said that they would just get into cliche stoner chats
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: about UFOs and other controversial topics like that. So for Louis,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: when Zayn announced that he was leaving, he thought, well,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: why didn't he speak openly to me about this before
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and give him the heads up that he was going
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: to make this announcement? Well, the way Louis found out
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: was the fact that Zayn didn't rock up to this
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Coke commercial that they had. And Louis said that if
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Zayn didn't want to do something, he literally wouldn't do it.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't like a big deal that Zayn hadn't
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: shown up. But then later that day, the announcement broke
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: and it just left him absolutely floored. Louis did question
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: whether Zayn would have regretted that decision. He said that
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: he surely must miss the band. And he pointed out
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: that when you're in a band, you can share out
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the jobs that you don't want to do. And it
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: sounded like Zayn hated giving press interviews and he said,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: you know, well, he's got to do all of that
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: now himself, which he probably really dislikes. He also admitted
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: that when they've caught up in recent years, Zayn's departure
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: has really been the elephant in the room and they
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: haven't actually discussed it, but he said that there will
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: be a time for that. When he said that, I
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: was wondering if that was a little bit of a
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: teaser for the docu-series that's meant to be airing on
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Netflix when Zayn and Louie drive around the US. I
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: think that they're going to tackle it head on then.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Cause we spoke about that in a recent subs episode
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and I thought the exact same thing, Kate, when I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: was listening to it, I was like, he is clearly
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: teasing this television show. Well, do you know what's ironic?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Because when One Direction broke up, I really thought that
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: all of the band members were on board and they
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: were all really keen to move on to their solo
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: careers and maybe they'd had enough of the One Direction days,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: but it was clear that Louis was absolutely shattered by
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the news. And he said, that it had an immense
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: impact on him. Let's have a listen to some of
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: what he said.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awful. It wasn't until after the event
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: that I realised that I actually computed all these feelings,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: but it was like I was straight grieving for it.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: That was grieving the band. I'm someone who unfortunately has
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: a little bit of experience in grief and albeit it
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: felt different, but it was a version of the same thing.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: It was something that I really wanted that I couldn't
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: have anymore.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: You could tell how upset he was by the fact
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: that he seemed really rattled by the word hiatus. And
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: even he didn't know what that actually meant in terms
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: of the length. I found it fascinating the blow by
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: blow detail he gave about that meeting. Did anyone else
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: think it was Harry that split the whole band up?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: He obviously got an independent deal. Yeah, 100%. He said
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: that whilst it was a discussion between the four band
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: members and not representatives, there was this coldness in the air.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to more of what he said.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: It was an atmosphere that I never really felt in
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the band because normally, like I said, we're arm in arm.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: It's all this camaraderie. And then all of a sudden
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: you get someone thinking more independently and more for themselves, which,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: by the way, they have every right to do, of course.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: But the room felt cold that day. I can remember
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: that in particular. I'm trying to find the right metaphor
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: for it, but it was something where These are all
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the same faces that I've seen every single day, but
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I've never quite felt an energy like that in the room.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: There was this emptiness. And I think probably because we
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: all knew collectively where it was going, you know, and
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: that's probably some friction between those ideas.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, I love Harry, but it made me sad.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is bullshit. Like, you should have
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: stayed together. Yeah, and the fact that Louis had already
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: referenced at the start of this interview that he felt
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: like he didn't have the best voice. you could tell
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that he knew that this was such a big hit
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: for him because he was now having to compete against
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the likes of Harry Styles. Well, that's the thing. He
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: said that he was quite naive at the time because
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: he kept asking, how long is this break going to
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: last for? Because he said, well, if I'm going to
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: explore my own solo career, I kind of need to
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: know when I'm going to be back in the band,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: which made me feel really sad. And he said that
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: he never really got an answer because he doesn't think
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: that the person involved, a.k.a. Harry Styles, was brave enough
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to answer that question and let them know he was
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: really the end of things. Well, it was always him
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and Liam that seemed like the only two that were
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: keen to actually do some kind of One Direction reunion.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like any of the other members cared
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, because it sounds like Louis' relationship with
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the other band members really dwindled since they split up.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Stephen Bartlett asked Louis if he had had conversations with
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the guys about how they were coping post One Direction.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: And Louis admitted that he'd only had those conversations with Liam.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: He said, when he sees the other boys, it's deeper
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: than surface level conversations, but sometimes there is the element
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of feeling like it's all a bit of small talk.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Whereas with Liam, he said he could speak on a
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: much deeper level. He said that Liam was almost like
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: a brother to him and he really loved him deeply.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I was wondering if that's because, not to be awful,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: but in terms of success, Louis and Liam's solo careers
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: at that point were quite comparable. I mean, obviously Harry
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Styles has done the best out of them, I'd say
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: followed by Zayn and then Niall. And maybe they felt
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: like they could be more open because there wasn't that
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: sort of competition. Well, Louis said he felt comfortable having
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: conversations with Liam about how much they missed the band.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Whereas He said that they would never want to say
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: that to the other guys because they were worried that
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: maybe they'd be like, ooh, things aren't going well in
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: their solo careers. I think it's that he didn't want
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to be pitied by the more successful band members. And
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: it's clear that Louis has really struggled with comparing his
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: solo success to the days of One Direction. I mean,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: he has recently released a number one album. He's got
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: a new single out, which surprised me. I want to
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: listen to the song Lemonade. Have you heard it? No,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I did want to have a listen after the interview.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Was it good? I hate to say it because I
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: really wanted to like it, but no, I didn't like it.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping that there are stronger songs on his album.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Is this like a Taylor Swift album though, where you
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: first listen to the song and you're not really sure?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Could it grow on us? Maybe, maybe I need to
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: give it another go. Do you know what's crazy? The
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: day that we're recording this is actually a whole year
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: since Liam Payne passed away. And in this interview, Louis
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: revealed the moment he found out about Liam's passing and
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: So he said he was in his car in LA
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and he had just dropped off his son, Freddie, at school.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: And he was pulling back up when Niall rang him.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: And he said, Niall said something along the lines of, ah, lads,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: have you seen the news? I'm assuming that was a
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: four-way call. Yeah, well, Louis didn't actually touch on whether
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: it was, but it must have been. Because I kept
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: rewinding it to sit here if he said lad or lads. Yeah.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: And Louis said as soon as Niall said those words,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: he instantly said, knew what he meant because he said
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: he had been worried about Liam for quite some time.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: And he actually had a similar feeling to when he
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: found out about his younger sister, Felicity's death of a
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: drug overdose, as you touched on Kate. And he said
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that even though he tried to give his 150% to
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Liam and his sister, it wasn't nearly enough. And that
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: sometimes he has this arrogance where he thinks maybe I
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: could have helped more, but what Liam was going through
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: was so much deeper than what he could have done
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: for him. It's sad to think that it wasn't such
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: a shock because obviously to all of us who don't
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: know Liam, we were absolutely floored by it, but it
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: does make you feel sick thinking about the fact that
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: it was quite obvious to his band members and his
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: friends that things weren't quite going right for him and that,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: you know, that his minders and everything like that couldn't
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: have done more to help him. Well, I think there
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: were a few concerned people online because he was posting
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: some quite bizarre videos and he was also being ridiculed
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: for a lot of the content. Remember he was at
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Niall's concert and people were putting up these mean TikToks
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of him interacting with the crowds.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Well, Louis actually spoke about the trolling that Liam received
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: right before his death. And As you said, Amy, it
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: was after he attended niles concert in argentina let's have
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: a listen to what he said.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Take the tour thing for example and he's at the
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: tour show and people were people were making comments of
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: how much he was loving the attention on the surface
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: level that's someone who wants attention If you just look
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: a little bit deeper, that's someone who's just been in
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: the biggest band in the world and wants those situations again,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: who hasn't had those live situations again and craves for them.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: That made me really sad because I remember before he
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: passed away, seeing videos of him greeting fans outside of
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: his hotel and he said, was so personable with them
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: and really spent a lot of time with them. And,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could tell he was really enjoying it,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: which I think obviously people didn't like. People were like, oh,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: he's just desperate for attention. Well, also when he was
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: at NARS Performance, he was standing on the sort of
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: podium of the VIP box he was in and everyone
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: was chanting and he was dancing and, as you said,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: lapping up the attention. But as Louis put, well, if
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: your career isn't going as well as you'd like it
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: to go and you have– had success in the biggest
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: bands in the world, then of course you're going to
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: be craving a bit of that attention. Yeah, of course.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're going to play into it. One of
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the saddest parts of the interview for me was actually
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: when Louis was talking about how much Liam would have
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: valued his friendship with Stephen Bartlett. for some reason that
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: made me just feel so sad. Yeah. As if that
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: friendship was so special because Stephen's obviously very well known
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: in the business world. And even just the way Louis
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: spoke about how misunderstood Liam was, it really gave an
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: insight into like, it kind of made me think of
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: him as a Bambi type of character. Louis described him
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: as having puppy dog energy and said that he had
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: this huge desire to be liked. And Louis said he
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: wished if Liam could have truly seen how people perceived
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: him at the end and how brilliant he was because
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: he would have been absolutely shocked by the reaction. Louis
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: also said that losing Liam made him grieve the band again.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Let's have a listen to what he said.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: There's now only three other people on the planet that
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: can deeply understand my professional journey. Like you never say never,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: but never, like I just can't, i can't ever imagine
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: i'm not sure it would be right to him like
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: say say say sake of argument 25 years time it's
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: like a fucking oasis thing they offer us an arm
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: and a leg and they're like come back and do
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: this many shows i don't know yeah i think it
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: just it just completely put a pinning all that. And
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: the irony is there was no one campaigning for One
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Direction to get back together more than Liam. And like,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I would say I came in a close second, actually,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: like definitely.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: It hurt my heart hearing how badly Liam had been
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: campaigning to get the band back together, because it would
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: have just been so epic. And Liam, when you listen
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: back to the songs, he was really the voice of
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: One Direction. So I can see how it would feel
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: wrong to do it without him. As much as I
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: would love to see a One Direction reunion, I just
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: don't think it would work. I love how Louis was like,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if they chuck a bunch of
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: money at us, sure, we would have come back. But
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: now there's a bit of a, you know, a question
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: mark over it because, I mean, it would just be
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: incredibly sad. Well, that is all we have time for today.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this episode.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: It was nice to have all three of us back
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  Speaker 1: on board. This episode was recorded on the traditional land
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: of the Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: respect to elders past and present.