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The Kenny Report | 29 October · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight. The cost of living crunch.
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Speaker 1: Inflation is up and that dashes hopes of an interest
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Speaker 1: rate cut. The root problem is skyrocketing electricity prices, but
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Speaker 1: labor doubles down on its failing energy approach climate catastrophism
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Speaker 1: in an environmentalists are actually starting to cool it all out.
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Speaker 2: These sort of claims of claimate doom and climate catastrophe
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Speaker 2: really are wrong.
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Speaker 1: I'll have that full interview later. Another example of indigenous
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Speaker 1: claims coming from nowhere to to interfere with developments and
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Speaker 1: the Wednesday wrangle with Justin Smith and Denika to Giorgio,
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Speaker 1: let's get into it. The cost of living crisis is
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Speaker 1: not over. You know that price pressures at the supermarket,
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Speaker 1: with the mortgage and with power prices and everything else.
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Speaker 1: But while you know that the alban easy labor government
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Speaker 1: and it's smug treasurer Jim Charmers have been telling us
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Speaker 1: for month after month that they're on top of it
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Speaker 1: and that inflation is under control.
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Speaker 3: Well, today's inflation numbers are outstanding. There's no two ways
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Speaker 3: about it. They are a powerful demonstration of the progress
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Speaker 3: that Australians have made together in the fight against inflation.
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Speaker 3: We have got these absolutely outstanding inflation numbers today. Monthly
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Speaker 3: inflation is below the Reserve Banks target band.
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Speaker 1: It actually has a one in front of it. And
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Speaker 1: these numbers.
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Speaker 3: Today, mister speakers, So I hope they keep asking me
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Speaker 3: about the inflation data today, because the inflation data today
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Speaker 3: was very, very encouraging no more.
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Speaker 1: The trouble is that the numbers have turned bad for
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Speaker 1: charmers today. Reality colt up with the political spin. When
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Speaker 1: inflation jumped above the target to three point two percent
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Speaker 1: or just on the top of the target if you
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Speaker 1: want to talk core inflation. It's the highest quarterly jump
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Speaker 1: for two years and it's a higher increase than the
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Speaker 1: Reserve Bank governor said yesterday would represent a material miss. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this was a material miss in economic management. And it
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Speaker 1: means that when the Reserve Bank Board meets on Melbourne
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Speaker 1: Cup Day next week, homeowners are now almost certain to
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Speaker 1: miss out on the dividend of another rate cut. In fact,
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Speaker 1: rate cuts might be out of the question for a
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Speaker 1: while yet. So today, at least for a moment or two,
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Speaker 1: the Treasurer wasn't quite so.
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Speaker 3: Smug, even with the very substantial and very sustained progress
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Speaker 3: that we've made together on inflation, even with the progress
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Speaker 3: that we've made on real wages, even with the progress
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Speaker 3: we've made in the economy. More broadly, a lot of
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Speaker 3: Australians are still under pressure.
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Speaker 1: I've acknowledged that incredibly, after all its promises about the
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Speaker 1: cost of living and interest rates and cutting power bills
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Speaker 1: by two hundred and seventy five dollars a year. The
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Speaker 1: Treasurer's main argument, now well into his second term in power,
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Speaker 1: is that it would all be worse under the Coalition.
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Speaker 3: The point I'm making is this, there are no shortage
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Speaker 3: of challenges in our economy.
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Speaker 1: That's why we're.
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Speaker 3: Rolling out responsible cost of living relief and strengthening medicare
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Speaker 3: to help where we responsibly can. The Australians who are
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Speaker 3: still facing cost of living pressure. Under those opposite things
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Speaker 3: were much worse, and if they'd won their last election,
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Speaker 3: things would have been much worse.
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Speaker 4: Still.
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Speaker 1: The trouble is that on two main counts, the inflation
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Speaker 1: problem can be traced directly back to Labour's policies. First,
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Speaker 1: inflation's being fueled by unprecedented levels of government spending, as
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Speaker 1: the opposition pointed out.
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Speaker 5: Given government spending is run four times faster than the economy,
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Speaker 5: with the highest level of spending outside recession in nearly
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Speaker 5: forty years, keeping interest rates higher for longer. Well, the
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Speaker 5: Treasurer now concede it is time to stop Labour's spending spree.
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Speaker 1: And true to form, instead of promising to get spending
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Speaker 1: under control, charmers switched to the usual labor scare campaigns.
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Speaker 3: When those opposite talk about spending restraint, what they mean
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Speaker 3: is coming after pensions again like they did in twenty
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Speaker 3: and fourteen. They mean come after medicare again like they
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Speaker 3: did in two thousand and fourteen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the spending argument. Believe me, we'll hear
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Speaker 1: that on repeat for years to come. But the other
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Speaker 1: key driving factor, the fact that it's driving inflation upwards,
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Speaker 1: is another long running issue electricity prices. Here's Ross Greenwood
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Speaker 1: explaining earlier.
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Speaker 6: Part of this is the state governments really taking off
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Speaker 6: obsidies for electricity.
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Speaker 4: And so that led to an annual.
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Speaker 6: Increase and electricity prices across the country of twenty three
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Speaker 6: point six percent, the quarterly increase at nine percent. But
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Speaker 6: even if they had taken all of those subsidies away,
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Speaker 6: and really they hadn't had that impact on energy prices.
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Speaker 6: Electricity prices in the past twelve months would have been
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Speaker 6: up by five point nine percent anyway, which is well
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Speaker 6: outside where general inflation is running in Australia. So what
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Speaker 6: that says is it still is about energy prices which
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Speaker 6: the governments seemingly can't control, which therefore is also now
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Speaker 6: having an impact on the future of interst rates as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, power prices continue to be driven upwards, and when
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Speaker 1: the rebates come off, the federal rebates, there's an additional
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Speaker 1: spike in inflation. Even Charmers admits that's a major factor
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Speaker 1: in this inflation spike because those state rebates have come off.
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Speaker 1: There's something I warned about last year when char was
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Speaker 1: an Albanezi announced their electricity rebates. The big trick of
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Speaker 1: this budget, the attempted con is a huge gamble. Labor
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Speaker 1: is hoping that the three hundred dollars per household power
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Speaker 1: rebate money paid directly to your electricity provider to keep
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Speaker 1: your bill lower, will trigger an artificial reduction in inflation,
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Speaker 1: push inflation down with taxpayers money, and they think that
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Speaker 1: that might trick the Reserve Bank into lowering rates. Now,
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Speaker 1: surely this is unlikely because the bank knows that this
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Speaker 1: doesn't do anything about the underlying cause of high electricity prices,
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Speaker 1: and it knows that when the rebate cuts out, then
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Speaker 1: that cost is going to go straight back onto consumers. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: after the election, and that's where we are now. Some
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Speaker 1: of the state's subsidies have come off, pushing inflation up
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Speaker 1: now as you just heard, but there's still the federal
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Speaker 1: rebates in the system, so when they come up at
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Speaker 1: the end of the year, there'll be another hit to inflation.
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Speaker 1: You'll get hit by higher electricity costs and inflation will
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Speaker 1: spike again and again. That will help keep interest rates
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Speaker 1: higher for longer. All the while the real problem, the
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Speaker 1: underlying cause, the increasing cost of electricity, is just not
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Speaker 1: being tackled. In fact, they're making it worse, which is
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Speaker 1: why we saw the aluminium smelter Tomago yesterday reveal that
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Speaker 1: it's considering closure because of crippling power prices.
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Speaker 7: We are absolutely committed to listening and acting for Australian manufacturers.
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Speaker 7: Every day we get up and fight to support manufacturers
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Speaker 7: and that's what we're doing right now, fighting to keep
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Speaker 7: Tommy Go open.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, fighting to keep Tommy Go open. What by driving
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Speaker 1: up energy prices and undercutting electricity reliability. That's the problem
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Speaker 1: the smelter faces. You think labor would join the dots.
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Speaker 1: The pressure on households, the pressure on industry, the pressure
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Speaker 1: on business, the pressure on inflation, and the resultant pressure
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Speaker 1: on interest rates can all be attributed in large part
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Speaker 1: to the energy crisis. The way the renewables push is
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Speaker 1: driving up electricity prices. But instead of tackling the dilemma,
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Speaker 1: the Climate and Energy Minister thinks none of this matters
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Speaker 1: to mainstream Australia, and he chooses to attack Sky News instead.
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Speaker 8: They're about story renewable energy for after dark. They're about
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Speaker 8: appeasing sky after dark.
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Speaker 4: Missus beggar.
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Speaker 8: We're about building policies to build the nation. They're about
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Speaker 8: policies to beat one nation.
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Speaker 9: Where about?
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Speaker 1: Where about? Where about expert report? They're about the bear report.
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Speaker 10: We care about credibility, they care about Clidler.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the way he's going, no one will be able
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Speaker 1: to watch Sky after day. Will all be sitting in
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Speaker 1: the dark at home trying to read by candlelight. So
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Speaker 1: apparently it's Sky News after dark and even here at
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Speaker 1: Dusk as well. That's out of touch with the energy
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Speaker 1: needs and concerns of the nation. Not Chris Bowen. I
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Speaker 1: wonder what the people of his electorate of McMahon think
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Speaker 1: about their power bills. Perhaps they should let him know.
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Speaker 1: The trouble with this kind of arrogance is that it
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Speaker 1: means labor is death to the reality and it's going
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Speaker 1: ahead now and just doubling down.
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Speaker 4: We're getting on with a job.
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Speaker 10: We're fighting hard to get energy prices down. I like
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Speaker 10: those who cheer when manufacturers go overseas, who had twenty
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Speaker 10: three policies around energy, who are intent on fighting climate
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Speaker 10: walls instead of getting on the job of supporting manufacturers.
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Speaker 1: In other words, they're going to keep doing what they've
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Speaker 1: been doing and hope for a different result. That is
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Speaker 1: the very deaf in this of madness. You'll have seen
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Speaker 1: all the reporting about Hurricane Melissa in the Caribbean, especially
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Speaker 1: yesterday as it was being enormously talked up. Now, this
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Speaker 1: is a significant storm, it's a danger, and it is
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Speaker 1: big news, and it's a good thing. We get strong
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Speaker 1: coverage so that people are warned and other nations are
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Speaker 1: on standby to help out, and all the rest of it.
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Speaker 1: But as you know, in the age of climate change catastrophism,
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Speaker 1: we constantly get amplified language and hyperbole whenever there's talk
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Speaker 1: of natural disasters.
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Speaker 9: Jamaica is facing the strongest landfalling hurricane in modern record
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Speaker 9: keeping to ever strike this island.
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Speaker 1: Nation.
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Speaker 9: Twenty twelve was the last hurricane landfall, but nineteen eighty
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Speaker 9: eight Gilbert was the last major hurricane, and that devastated
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Speaker 9: the economy in Jamaica for decades.
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Speaker 11: And you see weather forecaster and climate reporter Moses' small climate.
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Speaker 11: This sounds like a terrible situation.
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Speaker 1: Moses, bring us the latest.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean in so many words, right, I want
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Speaker 12: to quote the National Hurricanes Center. They using words like
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Speaker 12: catastrophe would you mention, but also life threatening and disruptive.
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Speaker 12: I'd expected to make landfall tomorrow morning at the category
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Speaker 12: five that make it the strongest storm ever to make
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Speaker 12: it directly on Jamaica.
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Speaker 4: It's great.
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Speaker 1: Literally never happened before. Well, it has happened before. Melissa
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Speaker 1: dropped to category four as it hit landfall, and the
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Speaker 1: last time one of those hit Jamaica was Hurricane Gilbert
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Speaker 1: back in nineteen eighty eight. Actually a shocking hurricane Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and we won't know the full extent of the damage
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Speaker 1: for a day or perhaps longer, and let's hope for
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Speaker 1: no more fatalities in that region. But this desperation to
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Speaker 1: make natural disasters unprecedented or the worst ever, well, it's
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Speaker 1: just so transparent. It meant that after the hurrican passed
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Speaker 1: through Jamaica, Ivan Aught we ended up with saying a
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Speaker 1: different picture today.
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Speaker 9: Very strong winds and very intense rain, but I'm having
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Speaker 9: to report that the city was spared the worst of
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Speaker 9: the catastrophic damage. Melissa is still a major hurricane category three.
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Speaker 9: Jamaica's mountainous terrain helped weaken the storm, but it is
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Speaker 9: still a formidable major threat, not only to this nation
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Speaker 9: but also to eastern Cubas.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it's a bad storm. And when I
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Speaker 1: get to the other end of the autland, they'll say
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Speaker 1: the real damage. But back in the studios of some
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Speaker 1: stations that I went straight to the climate change catastrophism.
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Speaker 13: Regardless, warmer atmosphere holds more water, so the rains as
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Speaker 13: the slow moving storm just dumps into the mountains of Jamaica.
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Speaker 13: Heart goes out to those folks. But this again could
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Speaker 13: be one of the coolest falls of the rest of
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Speaker 13: our lives. This is a new phenomenon baked in and
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Speaker 13: it's just confirming the science that has been warning this
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Speaker 13: for a lot.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so they have. This comes as none other
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Speaker 1: than Bill Gates has issued a statement saying that he's
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Speaker 1: exaggerated the risks of climate change over the past many years.
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Speaker 1: I no longer believe this hyperbole, says Gates. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: believe that this is going to kill the planet. Now.
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Speaker 1: Later in the program, I'll catch up with another leading
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Speaker 1: global environmentalist who was also calling out this alarmism. Let's
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Speaker 1: hope we can all have this discussion about climate change
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Speaker 1: by sticking to the facts and a rational approach. I
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Speaker 1: want to go to Canberra now and catch up with
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Speaker 1: Andrew Bragg, who's the shadow Housing minister. Good to talk
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Speaker 1: to Andrew. First up on inflation. These figures have come
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Speaker 1: out of the blue. They've completely kitewashed the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 1: governor and of course Jim Chalmers inflation fight.
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Speaker 14: That's right, Chris Wind. Inflation is too high and you
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Speaker 14: can see in these figures that the government and is
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Speaker 14: still pump priming expenditure that is impacting here. And I
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Speaker 14: don't think there's any prospect now of a rate cut
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Speaker 14: in this year, which is bad news for mortgage holders
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Speaker 14: and bad news for people who want to invest in
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Speaker 14: our economy.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't give us a lot of faith in the
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Speaker 1: Reserve Bank either, does it, because this is way in
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Speaker 1: excess of what they were predicting.
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Speaker 14: Well, look, right now, a lot of the economic indicators
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Speaker 14: are wildly wrong. I mean, the predictions and the budget
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Speaker 14: on productivity and everything else are completely wrong. And the PBA,
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Speaker 14: the Partmentry Budget Office, has shown actually the charmers has
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Speaker 14: got a sixty billion dollar a hole in his budget
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Speaker 14: just by virtue of having the wrong productivity parameters. So
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Speaker 14: I'd say a lot of the data right now is
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Speaker 14: actually wrong.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And also there's those federal electricity rebates still flushing
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Speaker 1: through the system. They go through till the end of
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Speaker 1: this year, sort of three and a half billion dollars
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Speaker 1: a quarter being flushed through the system.
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Speaker 15: There.
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Speaker 1: When they come off, we'll see the same effect won't
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Speaker 1: be And consumers get a double whammy then because their
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Speaker 1: power bills will go up, and of course that will
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Speaker 1: push up inflation and keep the pressure on interest rates.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a massive band aid, and I think the
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Speaker 14: economy generally is quite sick. I mean, eighty five percent
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Speaker 14: of the job's growth last year was in the non
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Speaker 14: market economy, so in the main, the actual economy is
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Speaker 14: not really putting more people on investments. Pretty anemic. We've
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Speaker 14: got a heavy amount of red tape, and as I say,
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Speaker 14: I think a lot of the numbers in the budget
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Speaker 14: papers are actually wrong, So I don't think we're on
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Speaker 14: track here.
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Speaker 1: Eighty five percent of the new jobs either directly or
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Speaker 1: indirectly funded by government. That is a hell of a
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Speaker 1: worry when it comes to general levels of spending. I
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Speaker 1: want to get you on housing. You've been very strong
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Speaker 1: on the government's ten billion dollar housing fund that's in
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Speaker 1: the shambles. The chair and running this has stepped aside
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Speaker 1: and there's now going to be a national audit. Tell
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Speaker 1: us firstly, how many homes are actually being built and
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Speaker 1: what are the key problems with the fund.
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Speaker 14: Well, they're housing funds on a dark It's had two
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Speaker 14: years of operation, it's got ten billion bucks of taxpayers
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Speaker 14: funds and hasn't built any houses. It has bought houses
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Speaker 14: maybe five hundred, So it's literally making the housing crisis
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Speaker 14: worse By inserting the federal government into the market and
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Speaker 14: the governance of the fund is a disgrace. We're trying
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Speaker 14: to get to the bottom of what's actually happened here,
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Speaker 14: But the bottom line is there's a huge amount of
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Speaker 14: taxpaths funds sitting in the fund doesn't build houses, and
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Speaker 14: the proposals that it does have to build in the
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Speaker 14: future are massively inflated prices compared to the market.
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Speaker 1: So what do we expect this National Order to come
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Speaker 1: up with. Will it to recommend ways for the government
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Speaker 1: to fix the fund or is the whole idea beyond approach?
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Speaker 14: Well, to start with, the idea that a housing bureaucracy
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Speaker 14: could solve the housing crisis is completely deft. I mean
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Speaker 14: that after mean is it's just crazy. But the other
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Speaker 14: point is that you spending in some cases one point
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Speaker 14: three million dollars of taxpayer funds on a single house. Now,
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Speaker 14: the average cost to build a new house is about
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Speaker 14: five hundred grand. So the first question is why taxpayer
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Speaker 14: is funding massively gold plated housing projects and in many
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Speaker 14: cases all this money is going to the big super
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Speaker 14: funds anyway. So look, we'll look at what the Audit
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Speaker 14: Office come back with. Will consider whether we make a
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Speaker 14: referral to the Anti Corruption Commission because there are some
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Speaker 14: problems here in irregularities with how the program's been devised
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Speaker 14: and how it's been rolled out.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is insane. Let me step through a couple
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Speaker 1: of those things. I thin these houses are costing so
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Speaker 1: much double the cost of normal housing. They're not gold
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Speaker 1: plated houses. The money is being showed up in bureaucracy, isn't.
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Speaker 14: It Yes, And also payments to the investors. So two
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Speaker 14: point eight billion dollars of round one of the housing
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Speaker 14: fund tender goes to the big super funds.
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Speaker 1: Now the big super funds have set.
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Speaker 14: Up shop fronts to launder the money effectively, and so
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Speaker 14: the cost of the house is not just the cost
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Speaker 14: of building the house, but it's also paying the investors
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Speaker 14: over the long term, which is just crazy. I mean,
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Speaker 14: wanted to build public housing.
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Speaker 1: I want to be careful about what you're saying here.
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Speaker 1: Are you suggesting that you might make a recommendation to
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Speaker 1: the Corruption Commission to examine the relationship between this fund
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Speaker 1: and some of the major industry superannuation funds.
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Speaker 14: Jim Chalmers, the Treasurer, had had a number of meetings
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Speaker 14: with the big super funds, the investors. Back in twenty
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Speaker 14: twenty two twenty twenty three, when they were setting up
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Speaker 14: the Housing Australia Future Fund, the big super funds made
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Speaker 14: a number of representations to the government about how the
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Speaker 14: payments should be made, and lo and behold went round,
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Speaker 14: one tender came around. They were the biggest beneficiaries. So
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Speaker 14: we haven't been able to get to the bottom of
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Speaker 14: it because the government blocks fois and they block orders
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Speaker 14: of the Senate at ratees not seen since the keeping government.
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Speaker 14: So I think that there are more questions to be
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Speaker 14: asked here, but we just want to see what the
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Speaker 14: Order Office come back comes back with first.
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Speaker 1: All right, now, just getting back to inflation and cost
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Speaker 1: of living pressures. Obviously electricity is driving that. It's the
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Speaker 1: push to net zero by twenty fifty that's driving those
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Speaker 1: costs increases, isn't it. Well.
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Speaker 14: I think you know that the labor parties net zero
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Speaker 14: has been a disaster. They have presided over a disaster
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Speaker 14: in the energy grid. They have trampled over regional communities.
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Speaker 14: I think they've actually destroyed a lot of support for
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Speaker 14: net zero because they've done such a bad job in
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Speaker 14: implementing it. So I think your question goes to what
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Speaker 14: do we do next? Look, I think that's an open question.
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Speaker 14: I think we could do it better than labor, and
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Speaker 14: I think that you could cut and dice it in
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Speaker 14: a way that you could maintain your international credibility but
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Speaker 14: also push down power prices, but also do some heavy
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Speaker 14: lifting on the environment and emissions front.
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Speaker 1: You had a colleague, Senator Andrew McLaughlin, crossed the floor
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Speaker 1: today on a climate bill, breaking with the party. He's saying,
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Speaker 1: you've got to stick by net zero. Do you agree
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Speaker 1: with him that the Party must stick by net zero?
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Speaker 14: Look, I think it's very important that Australia, as a
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Speaker 14: serious country maintains fidelity to international agreements. I mean, we're
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Speaker 14: all in this together at some level, but we shouldn't
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Speaker 14: do economic self harm.
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Speaker 1: Let me just jump in. I think, aren't you saying
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Speaker 1: we should pretend because none of the other well very
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Speaker 1: few of any other countries who have signed up to
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Speaker 1: net zero by twenty fifty, any of the significant countries,
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Speaker 1: they're not going to make it. They're not on track
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Speaker 1: to make it, and America's out and you know where
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Speaker 1: China's going. So why would we go through this pretense?
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Speaker 1: Of signing up to something that would cripple us if
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Speaker 1: we actually tried to achieve it.
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Speaker 14: Well, I don't think we should be signing a net
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Speaker 14: zero blank check. I think we should look at the timetables.
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Speaker 14: We should look at the industries that are in or out.
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Speaker 14: I mean, for example, New Zealand has agriculture exempted. China
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Speaker 14: and India don't get there in twenty fifty, they get
21:15
Speaker 14: there in twenty sixty or twenty seventy. So I think
21:17
Speaker 14: there are range of options that you can look at
21:20
Speaker 14: which allow you to focus on Labour's failings here rather
21:24
Speaker 14: than have an unending debate about ourselves.
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Speaker 1: Well, net zero sometime is not too bad an option,
21:31
Speaker 1: is it. What would you need to put an artificial
21:33
Speaker 1: deadline on it?
21:35
Speaker 14: Well, I mean maybe that's not a bad compromise. I
21:38
Speaker 14: think the idea that you're hemmed in to an agreement
21:41
Speaker 14: that other countries aren't going to actually deliver on, and
21:45
Speaker 14: that under labours and zero we probably won't get there anyway,
21:48
Speaker 14: I think is crazy. So my view is you should
21:51
Speaker 14: show fidelity to your international agreements. You should try and
21:55
Speaker 14: cut pollution and emissions, and you should try and protect
21:57
Speaker 14: your economy and I think there's heats of different you
22:00
Speaker 14: can do it. The idea that you can't cut, dice
22:03
Speaker 14: nancio to suit yourself is not a serious argument. There's
22:06
Speaker 14: a thousand different ways you could do it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and most of them involved nuclear. Thanks for
22:11
Speaker 1: joining us, Andrew, I appreciate it, Senator Andrew Bradley, who's
22:14
Speaker 1: the Shadow Housing Minister. There on a number of economic
22:17
Speaker 1: issues dominating debate today. I want to now go to
22:20
Speaker 1: another case of a shambles around indigenous cultural claims. This
22:25
Speaker 1: one relates to a footy stadium project that's been planned
22:28
Speaker 1: for Orange, a major city of course in the New
22:31
Speaker 1: South Wales central table lands. Now there's federal and state
22:34
Speaker 1: money in this footy stadium, and the council there negotiated
22:38
Speaker 1: with the Orange Aboriginal Land Council and they worked out
22:41
Speaker 1: a deal over the land and all was good. The
22:43
Speaker 1: footy stadium can go ahead. But subsequently another Indigenous man
22:48
Speaker 1: has raised concerns with the council and he was demanding reparations.
22:53
Speaker 1: A meeting was planned for today, but it was canceled
22:56
Speaker 1: at the last minute because the council says there's no
22:59
Speaker 1: claim to discover us. Let me bring in Roy Archie.
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Speaker 1: He's from the Orange Aboriginal Lands Council. Thanks for joining us. Roy,
23:05
Speaker 1: good to talk to you again. You did the dealing,
23:08
Speaker 1: your organization did the dealing with this footy stadium and
23:11
Speaker 1: you've got some other land out of it for the
23:13
Speaker 1: Aboriginal community.
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Speaker 4: All was good right.
23:15
Speaker 1: There shouldn't be any impediment to this project.
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Speaker 16: Absolutely, Chris, look, first and foremost, thanks for on your prograum.
23:21
Speaker 16: Is always a pleasure to talk to you and your
23:24
Speaker 16: listeners are here.
23:25
Speaker 15: Look.
23:26
Speaker 16: The Orange Local Abridge of Land Council, under the Abridginal
23:29
Speaker 16: Land Agreement, which is the legislation to statutory authority, been
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Speaker 16: in negotiation with Orange Local Abridge Land Council for the
23:36
Speaker 16: last six years. Chris is sitting appenavernight. It took six
23:40
Speaker 16: years to hammer out this negotiation around what would be
23:45
Speaker 16: beneficial for the Local Abridge Land Council each members, but
23:49
Speaker 16: more importantly what would be beneficial for the whole of
23:52
Speaker 16: the Orange community. So the Local Average of Land Council
23:55
Speaker 16: said yes, absolutely, the stadium is going to be beneficial
23:59
Speaker 16: to young footballers up and common current footballers, rugby league players,
24:05
Speaker 16: so it's a benefit for the whole of the community
24:08
Speaker 16: in law and behold, we get counselors, the mayor and
24:14
Speaker 16: other counselors who wanting to meet with this group. That
24:20
Speaker 16: and you've seen from the information that I center around
24:23
Speaker 16: around compensation. Now, look, I know Chris as an elected member.
24:28
Speaker 16: I was an elected counselor on the New South far
24:30
Speaker 16: As Abridge Land councilor bit with my constituents all the time. However,
24:35
Speaker 16: I think in this case it's a little bit different
24:38
Speaker 16: to roads rubbish and gathering when we're talking about compensation
24:44
Speaker 16: for a group that is unlegitimate. Yes, they're claiming that
24:49
Speaker 16: there are there radory people. I'm not going to take
24:51
Speaker 16: that away from them. However, under the statutory authority of
24:55
Speaker 16: the Native Title legislation, which you know really well, and
24:58
Speaker 16: under the land rights legislation, there's been Yeah, however, these
25:03
Speaker 16: people are unaccountable to anyone.
25:05
Speaker 15: There's no boundaries.
25:06
Speaker 1: It's open. Well, it's quite incredible because you've had a
25:09
Speaker 1: sensible negotiation, You've won a good compromise here where the
25:13
Speaker 1: developments supported and the town marches on. I think we've
25:17
Speaker 1: got symposts here from social media that show this other
25:20
Speaker 1: group led by Paul Towny drumming up support, looking forward
25:25
Speaker 1: to meeting the council was going to be today and
25:27
Speaker 1: here they've even got a go fundme page with a
25:30
Speaker 1: six grand or something. They're ready to push their cause now.
25:34
Speaker 1: Thankfully Roy that the council has told me today they
25:37
Speaker 1: canceled the meeting because they don't think there's any right
25:40
Speaker 1: or need to have this meeting. There's no case for
25:43
Speaker 1: reparations as.
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Speaker 4: It was put to them.
25:45
Speaker 1: These people were after reparations. But so the Council's holding
25:49
Speaker 1: firm at this stage. But we don't know where this
25:51
Speaker 1: will end up because you're involved, of course, in nearby
25:54
Speaker 1: the Bladey gold Mine, where the expansion of that mind
25:58
Speaker 1: has been held up because out of the blue, after
26:01
Speaker 1: your council has given it the okay, someone else comes
26:04
Speaker 1: in and throws a spatter in the works. It's an
26:06
Speaker 1: absolute mess.
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Speaker 15: Well, Chris, it depends on who you believe according to
26:12
Speaker 15: that Facebook post, and that post is that the councilor
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Speaker 15: reached out to this group and wanted to meet with
26:20
Speaker 15: the group to talk about compensation.
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Speaker 16: And now all of a sudden we see an article
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Speaker 16: in The Australian where the Council the mayor have come
26:27
Speaker 16: back and said no, once we found out it was
26:29
Speaker 16: about compensation, we cancel the meeting straight away. So look,
26:35
Speaker 16: I understand Chris, that there's counselors within Orange Local Abriaginal sorry,
26:40
Speaker 16: Orange City Council that are not real happy. They're really
26:44
Speaker 16: concerned about what's gone on here. Chris. There's a lot
26:47
Speaker 16: of there's a lot of honey answered questions. In actual fact, Chris,
26:50
Speaker 16: there's more honey answered questions than what there is questions,
26:54
Speaker 16: and the council need to be responsible and accountable. Back
26:59
Speaker 16: to the the great payers of.
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Speaker 15: Orange City Council.
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Speaker 16: And look, the Local Abridge Land Council reached out to
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Speaker 16: the mayor and said, we understand that you're meeting with
27:12
Speaker 16: this group. And it wasn't until Orange the Local Abridge
27:15
Speaker 16: Land Council reached out to the mayor that they realized
27:19
Speaker 16: that hang on, someone's onto us, we probably have to
27:22
Speaker 16: cancel this meeting.
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Speaker 1: And they did thanks to joining us. Roy appreciate it.
27:27
Speaker 1: Royal c there who is with the Orange Aboriginal Land Council.
27:31
Speaker 1: This is the problem right when you deal with any
27:33
Speaker 1: sort of development, whether it's the council or a company
27:35
Speaker 1: or any private individual, and you get agreement from the
27:38
Speaker 1: authorized local Aboriginal Land Council. That should be it, but not.
27:43
Speaker 1: People come from everywhere. Someone's going to work out who's
27:46
Speaker 1: telling the truth and who's not. What are shambles Now
27:49
Speaker 1: We've got to take a break on the other side
27:50
Speaker 1: of that, going to get back into this issue of
27:52
Speaker 1: climate catastrophism. We've got an environmentalist now starting to call
27:56
Speaker 1: it out. Ted Northouse joins me. You'll remember last month
28:04
Speaker 1: the Albanese government released its Climate Risk Assessment Report and
28:10
Speaker 1: as expected, it preached doom and gloom and catastrophe. And
28:14
Speaker 1: also as expected, it cherry picked data in an exercise
28:18
Speaker 1: of political and climate spin to frighten the public into
28:22
Speaker 1: backing the government's climate and energy policies.
28:26
Speaker 8: Cascating, compounding, concurrent. That's how the Australian Climate Service describes
28:34
Speaker 8: the impact of climate change on every community in our country.
28:38
Speaker 8: Cascating it will get worse over time, compounding Each impact
28:43
Speaker 8: of climate change will make another impact worse, and concurrent.
28:49
Speaker 8: Communities will suffer the impacts of climate change in different
28:51
Speaker 8: ways at the same time.
28:54
Speaker 1: Makes me wonder why I'm here. I should be running
28:56
Speaker 1: for the hills. The good news is that more and
28:59
Speaker 1: more environments around the world are waking up to the
29:03
Speaker 1: downside of climate catastrophism. They're calling out the al Gore
29:08
Speaker 1: and Greter Thunburg style fear mongering. We're not all gonna
29:12
Speaker 1: die in boiling oceans. Life on this planet is not
29:17
Speaker 1: in peril now. A leading voice vicinity is Ted Norhaus.
29:21
Speaker 1: He's an author and environmental campaigner who has disowned the
29:25
Speaker 1: alarmism of his own past. I put it to him
29:29
Speaker 1: that the world needs this reset and it's ready for it.
29:35
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean the first thing to say
29:38
Speaker 2: is you know you're right, you know, I certainly, and
29:43
Speaker 2: there's no point in denying that global warming, climate change,
29:49
Speaker 2: whatever name you want to put on it is occurring.
29:53
Speaker 2: The planet is warming, primarily warming due to human activities,
29:58
Speaker 2: primarily the combustion fossil fuels. But after that, a lot
30:05
Speaker 2: of the kind of claims in you know, both the
30:10
Speaker 2: sort of by the environmental community and you know, even
30:15
Speaker 2: sometimes in the mainstream media, even sometimes by very well
30:19
Speaker 2: credentialed scientists, go well beyond anything that you know, really
30:24
Speaker 2: can be sort of supported scientifically. So, yeah, we hear
30:28
Speaker 2: a lot about natural disasters. You know, in some cases,
30:33
Speaker 2: you we have very good evidence that climate change is
30:37
Speaker 2: modestly intensifying some disasters. So that's the first really important
30:43
Speaker 2: thing that you need to know when you sort of
30:46
Speaker 2: read these headlines and you see these claims, is that
30:48
Speaker 2: climate change isn't creating the disaster. It is just in
30:52
Speaker 2: some cases and not remotely all cases, uh, making the
30:56
Speaker 2: climate hazard that is part of that disaster some worse.
31:01
Speaker 1: The other thing that drives me nuts is that, apart
31:04
Speaker 1: from the catastrophis predictions that we're constantly bombarded with, we
31:09
Speaker 1: have agencies and individuals giving us false information about what
31:16
Speaker 1: is verifiable. Now. A recent example was our Prime minister
31:20
Speaker 1: said that tropical cyclones are getting worse and more intense
31:24
Speaker 1: because of climate change, whereas the verifiable empirical evidence shows
31:29
Speaker 1: that there were fewer tropical cyclones over the past century
31:33
Speaker 1: and no suggestion they're increasing in intensity.
31:38
Speaker 2: Well, it's a little bit of both, but when you
31:41
Speaker 2: kind of balance it out, it ends up being not
31:44
Speaker 2: a lot of change. So we are having both fewer
31:48
Speaker 2: cyclones and there is some evidence that the cyclones are
31:51
Speaker 2: more intense, and you put those two things together and
31:55
Speaker 2: what you end up with is about the same number
31:59
Speaker 2: of strong tropical cyclones. So you know, and that's a
32:06
Speaker 2: good case of climate climate change not always working in
32:09
Speaker 2: one direction to make everything worse.
32:12
Speaker 4: So it both is resulting in.
32:16
Speaker 2: Higher percentage of hurricanes that or tropical cyclones as you
32:20
Speaker 2: call them that are you know, category three or higher,
32:26
Speaker 2: and fewer overall, and you get the same absolute number.
32:32
Speaker 2: Another example of that would be, you know, you get
32:37
Speaker 2: phenomena with tropical cyclones where climate change will, for instance,
32:43
Speaker 2: make them hold more water, but there's also dynamics involving
32:48
Speaker 2: wind shear that make it makes it harder for them
32:51
Speaker 2: to form. This is one of the reasons we have
32:53
Speaker 2: had we've seen probably one of the reasons we've seen
32:56
Speaker 2: fewer tropical cyclones overall. So, you know, there's this idea
33:01
Speaker 2: that climate change is responsible for every bad thing, and
33:04
Speaker 2: the reality is that, you know it it is creating
33:10
Speaker 2: dynamics in the weather and the climate that often are
33:15
Speaker 2: offsetting and don't just always sort of feedback towards worse consequences.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a key point. I mean, if we
33:22
Speaker 1: accept the global warming does cause problems, there has to
33:25
Speaker 1: be an acceptance that we seldom hear about, that there
33:28
Speaker 1: will be benefits. For instance, if there are going to
33:30
Speaker 1: be more human deaths from heat waves. We know that
33:33
Speaker 1: we far more human lives saved because of winters not
33:38
Speaker 1: being as cold. We also know about the greening of
33:41
Speaker 1: the planet that NASA has has measured, which is a
33:44
Speaker 1: wilmingly a good thing.
33:45
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean again, I think you know, mileage
33:51
Speaker 2: will vary on sort of how much more greening you
33:54
Speaker 2: want and where you want it. But for sure, you know,
33:58
Speaker 2: for instance, you know, having more sea in the atmosphere
34:02
Speaker 2: does provide some benefits in terms of things like agricultural yields.
34:07
Speaker 2: You know, having in some cases hotter temperatures and less
34:11
Speaker 2: rainfall in some cases can cut.
34:13
Speaker 1: The other way.
34:14
Speaker 2: So again it's always going to be a mixed bag.
34:17
Speaker 2: And you know the best case is the first one
34:19
Speaker 2: you gave, which is, you know, more heat deaths means
34:24
Speaker 2: fewer cold deaths and about five times as many people
34:28
Speaker 2: globally die from cold temperature extremes as warm temperature extremes,
34:34
Speaker 2: And you know, you can kind of go down the
34:36
Speaker 2: rabbit hole a little bit. It's not really clear that
34:40
Speaker 2: a changing climate affects the cold deaths in the same
34:43
Speaker 2: way that affects the hot deaths. Not just like it's
34:46
Speaker 2: not totally linear, but what's clear is that you will
34:49
Speaker 2: have fewer cold deaths and you'll have more heat deaths,
34:53
Speaker 2: all else equal, and then that, you know, I think
34:56
Speaker 2: the important thing you have to remember is that that's
34:59
Speaker 2: all happening in a world where deaths from temperature extremes
35:03
Speaker 2: hot and cold are falling precipitously.
35:06
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about whether this more rational
35:09
Speaker 1: approach to global warming or climate change is kicking off
35:14
Speaker 1: because Bill Gates, it's in the media around the world today,
35:18
Speaker 1: has made these comments where he's suggesting that it's not
35:21
Speaker 1: as bad as he's been arguing for.
35:23
Speaker 4: A long while.
35:24
Speaker 1: He said that the doomsday outlook is causing much of
35:28
Speaker 1: the climate community to focus too much on near term
35:31
Speaker 1: emissions goals and the diverting resources from the most effective
35:35
Speaker 1: things we should be doing to improve life in a
35:38
Speaker 1: warming world. It's a bit of a breakthrough, isn't it
35:41
Speaker 1: when someone like him starts to talk sensibly in this way. Yeah.
35:45
Speaker 2: No, I think it's really really important. And you know,
35:48
Speaker 2: I think when you look at you know, I obviously
35:50
Speaker 2: have a bit of a us you know, I look
35:53
Speaker 2: at the world for better or worse, through us tinted glasses.
35:57
Speaker 2: But you know, we have an energy sector Terry Chris Wright,
35:59
Speaker 2: who been saying many of the same things and being
36:02
Speaker 2: intensely criticized for it. And he's obviously the sort of
36:07
Speaker 2: Trump administration's guy on energy and climate change. But you
36:13
Speaker 2: know when when Bill Gates says it, it hits a
36:16
Speaker 2: little different. This is a guy who has, you know,
36:19
Speaker 2: put hundreds of millions, probably really billions of dollars into
36:27
Speaker 2: sort of addressing climate change through agriculture, through clean energy,
36:33
Speaker 2: all sorts of ways. And he's saying, you know, it's
36:36
Speaker 2: still a problem and we should still try to do
36:38
Speaker 2: something about it by improving technology and improving adaptation and resilience.
36:44
Speaker 2: But these sort of claims of climate doom and climate
36:49
Speaker 2: catastrophe really are wrong.
36:52
Speaker 4: Ted, Nohaus.
36:53
Speaker 1: Is such an important debate, so important to get the
36:55
Speaker 1: efects on the table. Thanks for joining us, Thank you
36:59
Speaker 1: so much for having me. Yeah, let's put an end
37:03
Speaker 1: to all the alarmism. How after the break, I'm going
37:06
Speaker 1: to catch up with Anne Rustin from the opposition federally
37:09
Speaker 1: and talk about the reality behind Labour's new bolk billing overhaul.
37:18
Speaker 1: Let's go back down to Canberra and catch up with
37:20
Speaker 1: the Shadow Health Minister, Senator Anne Rustin. Good to talk
37:23
Speaker 1: to you again and first up on health. The Government
37:26
Speaker 1: making a lot of mileage today about their new bok
37:29
Speaker 1: billing plan for GPS rolling out effectively an additional financial
37:34
Speaker 1: incentive for doctors to build the telling us it's all
37:37
Speaker 1: going to be the land of milk and honey. How
37:40
Speaker 1: do you think it's going to play out? Are more
37:42
Speaker 1: people going to get to see the doctor more easily
37:44
Speaker 1: for free?
37:47
Speaker 11: Well, the cold hard reality, Chris, I'm afraid I have
37:50
Speaker 11: to tell your listeners that the government itself had to
37:52
Speaker 11: admit an estimates. Not only they're not expecting to see
37:55
Speaker 11: any benefit from these measures for four years, which has
37:59
Speaker 11: passed the next election. The out of pocket costs that
38:02
Speaker 11: Australians are likely to have to continue to pay the
38:05
Speaker 11: government is actually and the Department is actually expecting them
38:07
Speaker 11: to continue to go up. But this is probably no
38:10
Speaker 11: secret to your listeners, Chris speacause they know every time
38:13
Speaker 11: they go to see the doctor, they're forking out more
38:16
Speaker 11: and more out of their pocket. And it doesn't matter
38:18
Speaker 11: how many times Anthony Alberaneesi runs around with his little
38:20
Speaker 11: green cart telling Australians they're going to get free access
38:23
Speaker 11: to the doctor. Your listeners know that is not the case,
38:26
Speaker 11: and sadly the Department of Health and Age Care have
38:29
Speaker 11: also said that's not the case. And sadly Australians are
38:32
Speaker 11: going to continue to have to pay more and more
38:33
Speaker 11: every time they go to see the doctor.
38:35
Speaker 1: Well sprooking it today, Mark Butler, the Health Minister, was
38:38
Speaker 1: talking about how much a doctor would earn if all
38:41
Speaker 1: of their patients were billed, saying a doctor makes two
38:44
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty grand a year. If they do that
38:47
Speaker 1: now and under his scheme, they'll make over four hundred
38:50
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. It's a strange way to sprink
38:53
Speaker 1: a labor mechanism to help families out.
38:57
Speaker 11: Well, it is this, It's a strange mechanism. The most
39:00
Speaker 11: interesting part of it is is that when you go
39:02
Speaker 11: and speak to your local GP, your local family doctor,
39:06
Speaker 11: they're telling you that they can't afford to fully build
39:10
Speaker 11: their patients in many instances because of the increasing costs
39:13
Speaker 11: that they are facing in general practice. And they're no
39:16
Speaker 11: different than any other business, Chris. They're facing the high
39:19
Speaker 11: cost of energy, the high cost of rents or mortgages,
39:23
Speaker 11: you know, the high cost of wages and the like,
39:25
Speaker 11: and you know we find out today, you know, increasing
39:29
Speaker 11: the inflation again, you know, driven by whole heap of factors,
39:32
Speaker 11: not the least of which that we've seen that energy
39:34
Speaker 11: builds in the last twelve months have increased on average
39:37
Speaker 11: by twenty three point six percent. So I think we
39:40
Speaker 11: have to understand that general practice, your local family doctor
39:44
Speaker 11: is a small business that's suffering the same effects of
39:47
Speaker 11: the costs that are incurring in our economy as every
39:50
Speaker 11: other small business.
39:52
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, apart from breaking promises on electricity prices and
39:55
Speaker 1: other things, this was a government the promises promised to
39:57
Speaker 1: be more consultative, less politic eqal and aggressive and also
40:01
Speaker 1: more transparent. None of those things have transpired. Of course,
40:06
Speaker 1: a lot of people had to work very hard to
40:08
Speaker 1: get that Climate and Energy Incoming government brief partly released
40:13
Speaker 1: earlier in the week. And you're still fighting the government
40:16
Speaker 1: for documents at the moment. Tell us about the latest
40:18
Speaker 1: developments there.
40:21
Speaker 11: Well, we've been fighting for the whole time that this
40:23
Speaker 11: government has been in Paw to get documents released, and
40:26
Speaker 11: today the Senate just plainly had had enough, and so
40:29
Speaker 11: between us the Greens and the Crossbench. We've actually put
40:33
Speaker 11: some actions into place to say to the government, if
40:35
Speaker 11: they are going to continue to stop, to refuse to
40:37
Speaker 11: release documents, then we're going to make them face more
40:40
Speaker 11: questions and more scrutiny in question time. So as of tomorrow,
40:43
Speaker 11: unless they release the document that we have requested on
40:46
Speaker 11: three separate occasions and the Senators has actually approved the
40:49
Speaker 11: release on three separate occasions, they will have to answer
40:53
Speaker 11: extra questions every day from the Opposition and the cross
40:56
Speaker 11: Bench and the Greens until they actually start complying with
40:59
Speaker 11: the orders of the Senate. I mean, this government came in,
41:02
Speaker 11: as you say, transparency and accountability, well about they're about
41:06
Speaker 11: as transparent as a brick. Chris. I've never known a
41:09
Speaker 11: government to be more intent on hiding things.
41:12
Speaker 1: Just briefly, what's that document that they're supposed to release.
41:16
Speaker 11: It's just in relation to an investigation the Minister for
41:21
Speaker 11: Finance asked into Bard Appointments about the integrity of the
41:25
Speaker 11: process into Bord appointments. She said when she commissioned the
41:28
Speaker 11: report that she'd release it. Two years later, it still
41:33
Speaker 11: hasn't been released, and they some spurious argument that apparently
41:37
Speaker 11: it's a matter for cabinet. When she promised to release
41:39
Speaker 11: it two years later, you'd think that I've had enough
41:41
Speaker 11: time to so much strate over the findings of that report.
41:44
Speaker 1: So much for transparency. Thanks for joining us, Senator, that
41:47
Speaker 1: senator and Rustin who's the shadow Health minister. How about
41:50
Speaker 1: that the Libs and the Greens and the cross Bench
41:53
Speaker 1: and what nation presumably in that lot all ganging up
41:56
Speaker 1: on the government to force them try and force and
41:58
Speaker 1: the release more of these docum.
42:00
Speaker 4: We better take a break.
42:01
Speaker 1: On the other side, we've got a Wednesday wrangle with
42:03
Speaker 1: Justin and Denika. We'll discuss the newly proposed protest laws
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Speaker 1: for Victoria. Okay, let's wrangle on the desk here with
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Speaker 1: me is Denika de Giorgio Sky News. She's fired up,
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Speaker 1: So I better go to Justin Smith, broadcaster and author
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Speaker 1: in Melbourne first. Now, I want to start off in
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Speaker 1: Melbourne Justin, because there's a proposal now from the opposition
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Speaker 1: to have laws that force these CBD protesters if they
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Speaker 1: want to go down a street or whatever, to get
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Speaker 1: a permit or apply for permission. It makes sense, doesn't
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Speaker 1: It happen in every other state capital as far as
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Speaker 1: I know.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, Look, I think we're just we've got to make
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Speaker 17: the protests a hell of a lot safer.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 17: Not we don't want to stop protesting in Victoria, but
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Speaker 17: we've got to make them safer because there's no doubt
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Speaker 17: about it, it's become incredibly dangerous. I mean, if you
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Speaker 17: were to say to your family, hey, listen, we feel
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Speaker 17: strongly about this that whatever, and we want to go
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Speaker 17: into the city and protest, and I wouldn't let my
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Speaker 17: family anywhere near it at the moment because it's just
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Speaker 17: you know, things like the face covering. I'm not I
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Speaker 17: wouldn't be a big fan of the permit system, but
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Speaker 17: I think we've probably almost got to the point where
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Speaker 17: we where we need it.
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Speaker 4: But it needs to be safer for people.
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Speaker 1: If I want to shut off my street for a
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Speaker 1: street party at Christmas time, I need a permit. If
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Speaker 1: you want to shut a street, you need a permit.
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Speaker 1: Knock yourself out if you've just got to do it
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Speaker 1: in a park, but once you're closing streets, of course
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Speaker 1: you should need a permit.
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Speaker 18: I am shocked that Victoria has not gone down the
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Speaker 18: New South Wales Pathway yet. And bear in mind Chris
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Speaker 18: as well that the premiere of Victoria said that she
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Speaker 18: would look at this legislation in December last year. They
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Speaker 18: were twelve months down the track. Week in, week out,
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Speaker 18: we see all these protests. Businesses in the CBD are
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Speaker 18: sick to death of the foot traffic. You've got families
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Speaker 18: not going into the CBD because they don't feel safe.
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Speaker 18: You've got the rocks and other items being hurled at
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Speaker 18: police officers. Enough is enough. And it's like her youth
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Speaker 18: crime approach. It says, slow, steady, she'll be right. You know,
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Speaker 18: things will fix itself. She's doing the exact same with protesters.
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Speaker 18: Yet it's everyday taxpayer paying victorians that are suffering again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, get it sorted. I reckon. Let's go to Kevin Rudd.
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Speaker 1: Cam Reddin of our Sky News camera bureau caught up
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Speaker 1: with him in the corridors last night and Kevin thought
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Speaker 1: to riff off one of his own famous lines. But
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Speaker 1: such a famous line. Kevin got his own line wrong.
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Speaker 3: Have a look, I'm from America and I'm here to help,
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Speaker 3: and my name's Kevin.
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Speaker 1: So there you go. No, no, no, he's supposed to say,
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Speaker 1: I'm from Kevin. I'm from Queensland. I'm here to help,
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Speaker 1: He says, I'm from America. I'm here to help, and
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Speaker 1: then remember, oh, I'm Kevin.
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Speaker 17: He's losing it, Kevin. You think Kevin's losing it? Oh well,
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Speaker 17: he has had at a rough time with you guys
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Speaker 17: and had a rough time with Donald Trump. I asked
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Speaker 17: this question because I think a lot of this is
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Speaker 17: centered around how Donald Trump feels and making sure Donald
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Speaker 17: Trump's egos message. Has anything Kevin Right actually said about
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Speaker 17: Donald Trump proved to be wrong.
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Speaker 18: Quite a few things. I mean, we're talking about that
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Speaker 18: one of the one about Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: Justice, it's all wrong.
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Speaker 18: The guy knows a business deal, right, The guy is
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Speaker 18: a smart man. You don't become successful like he has become.
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Speaker 4: Did Kevin say that was wrong?
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Speaker 1: I think said.
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Speaker 18: He said that he was the village idiot and the
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Speaker 18: most destructive president in history. Now you tell me what's
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Speaker 18: been destructive Trump's presidency, because since he's come back into power,
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Speaker 18: he's actually fixed. So he has cleaned crime up, he's
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Speaker 18: getting rid of legal immigrants.
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Speaker 17: What do you say he's made stronger, He's made His
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Speaker 17: comments were made around him not not accepting the outcome
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Speaker 17: of an election and the vibe. A lot of that,
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Speaker 17: those contents at those comments come out of that. No,
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Speaker 17: it's not all I've got James Trump. I just ask
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Speaker 17: you this question, and what did he say that was wrong?
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Speaker 1: He said, We just went through that. He said he
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Speaker 1: was a trader to the west, And if you've picked
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Speaker 1: up a newspaper in the last three years, you'll see
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Speaker 1: how he's improved the situation when it comes to the
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Speaker 1: security of the Western world. So I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: let you just make it all about January the sixth.
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Speaker 1: Every time I want to get back to another one
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Speaker 1: of your heroes, Bill Gates. Why I'm an evangelist of
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Speaker 1: the last couple of decades.
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Speaker 4: He's admitted now that he was wrong.
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Speaker 1: Too much hyperbole. We're not going to all boil in oil.
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Speaker 1: This is a good development, isn't it.
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Speaker 17: Talk to me you did you just say that Bill
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Speaker 17: Gates is one of my heroes. I'm not sure where
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Speaker 17: you exactly got that one from. I I think a
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Speaker 17: rich lefty. Oh yeah, well that's right. Anyone who's a
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Speaker 17: rich lefty. I'm all form mate. I'm I'm head of
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Speaker 17: their chair squad, no doubt about it. Well, hey, I'm
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Speaker 17: going to say, but he has. Shouldn't you be applauding
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Speaker 17: him for pulling himself down to something which I would
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Speaker 17: hope the two of you believe, which is that climate
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Speaker 17: change is actually real. Climate change should be addressed, but
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Speaker 17: we shouldn't be doomsdaying about it.
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Speaker 4: Is that not something unsel justin?
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Speaker 18: Let me say this feel, Let me say this, History
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Speaker 18: does not forget. Bill Gates may have forgotten his history,
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Speaker 18: but a couple of years ago he was saying that
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Speaker 18: it's bad that cow's fat, and then he was trying
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Speaker 18: to sell us fake meat. He was on this worldwide
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Speaker 18: publicity doomsday to us, sounding the doomsday gazoo here, there
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Speaker 18: and everywhere.
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Speaker 1: Again, generally, you had.
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Speaker 4: To go with me for bringing out January sixth. You're
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Speaker 4: not pulling out the history here.
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Speaker 18: And justin and now he claims that, oh no, no, it
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Speaker 18: was all just hyperbole that we can all forget. No, no, no,
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Speaker 18: history does not forget. It's all in paper, it's on podcasts,
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Speaker 18: it's in interviews.
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Speaker 17: We know exactly, except when it comes to Trump, then
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Speaker 17: history forgets. We're talking about forget sometimes, doesn't it all
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Speaker 17: you want.
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Speaker 1: To talk about the thing with Gates at least he's
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Speaker 1: done the controls planning with loaded the new version of
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Speaker 1: his software, and he's worked out. Guess what, We're not dying.
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Speaker 1: The planet is not going to explode. I just want
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Speaker 1: to move on to speaking of climate change. Have a
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Speaker 1: look at this up on the Goldiet Snapper point the
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Speaker 1: extraordinary pictures of a bit of a fishing fest of sharks.
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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna grab here, have we? Is this overlay, well,
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Speaker 1: let's have a look at it. Then these sharks are
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Speaker 1: thrashing around and snap a point. The pictures are gone
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Speaker 1: around the world. But this is this is good advertisement
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Speaker 1: for Queensland tourism, isn't it?
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Speaker 4: Just that's that's like a liberal party conference.
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Speaker 1: Is that?
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Speaker 7: Now?
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Speaker 17: They haven't got that much, not quite as many teeth,
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Speaker 17: but a little bit like a liberal party conference.
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Speaker 18: It's kind of frightening. I've got to say, Chris. I mean,
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Speaker 18: they have worn surfers, but that that's that's scary in
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Speaker 18: my view.
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Speaker 1: When they're rushing around in the meter of water right
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Speaker 1: in front of you. You don't need a warning, you
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Speaker 1: don't need to tell you not to get in there now.
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Speaker 1: I also want to go into speaking of these lefties
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Speaker 1: and their controversial views Ben and Jerry's ice creams. As
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Speaker 1: you know, they like to put out their ice creams
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Speaker 1: with all sorts of woke messages and lefty campaigns. They've
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Speaker 1: been knocked back with one that they wanted to put
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Speaker 1: out Gaza better a pro Gaza ice cream they're calling.
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Speaker 1: And now what I want to know is in this one, Denika,
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Speaker 1: is what does pro Gaza mean? I think everyone Gaza
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Speaker 1: who's anti Garza.
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Speaker 18: Look, you know what, I'm sick to death of these people,
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Speaker 18: these companies getting involved in social issues.
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Speaker 12: Remember how well it went for Woolworths.
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Speaker 18: For example, and the Yours Day Saga or Quantas during
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Speaker 18: the Yes campaign. Just butt out of issues.
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Speaker 1: Please this one, this mob have made a point of it.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Justin and Anika will catch up
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Speaker 1: with you next week. Plenty of feedback from you when
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Speaker 1: it comes to the ABC and the Middle East. Will
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Speaker 1: keep looking through that and shap some more with you
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Speaker 1: in the days to come. I'll catch you tomorrow. Mm
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Speaker 1: hmmm mmm mm hmm