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Creepy People Chronicles: Mediums & Mischievous Spirits · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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There's a very predominant male presence who refuses to give us his name.
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He likes to give fake names.
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Oh, okay.
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He won't be like demon vibes.
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Yeah, like kind of fun.
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But he's probably not that cool.
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What the thing is, he wants us to believe that he's a demon.
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But we know he's not.
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That's one of the really funny things.
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He just, he knows that he isn't, but he is just like, I am big, tough man.
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We don't like those living or dead.
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Yep.
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Hello.
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This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all
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things spooky in the Pacific Northwest.
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We've already established that we are, and you are.
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So I hear listening.
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Presumably.
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And for that, we will not apologize.
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So we have a creepy people Chronicles episode for you today, which is stories from our listeners,
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stories from sometimes me, but surprise this one's not all about me this time.
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What?
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I know, I know.
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Darn it.
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Right?
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Well, it's kind of semi about me, but like only a little bit.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay, so we have a couple stories that I left out of the Delaney House episode from Vicki
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and Zoe.
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So Vicki had a story of, do you remember the mediums that she was talking about Maggie
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and Sherry that came to visit?
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And I'm saying, do you remember?
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I'm kind of talking to you and to the audience because she didn't mention them in the episode.
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Okay.
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So Vicki has stories from the couple of mediums that visit all the time and do paranormal
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investigations there.
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It's the Delaney House.
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She has a story involving them.
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There is a story where Maggie and Sherry had gotten kind of a message when they were going
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to leave one night and they were said, next time you come, they sit out there.
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Next time you come sit and bring a third chair and they went, oh, specials going to come,
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you know.
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Next time they came, they sat out there, you know, they worked in the house and did their
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normal investigation, but they would go out there and they had that chair.
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They're all evening and nobody ever sat in it and they thought, I wonder why.
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And then a friend of mine called and said, you know, my husband and I would like to come
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and spend the night on the way to California is it okay.
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And so I asked them and they said, yeah, it's okay.
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We're going to be leaving.
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We're not going to be here all night.
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Okay.
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So my friend shows up and she went out there and she had a question.
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For them about clearing a space of negative energy and they said, well, it was in another
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state and they said, no, we really don't know anybody.
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Why?
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And then Maggie said to Sherry, well, tell them about that time 13 years ago that you were
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in, well, it's quarterly night of hell.
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So she said, well, we were on a trip.
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We stayed, you know, we needed a place to stop and have dinner.
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We retired.
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So we stopped and we started eating at this Chinese restaurant.
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And my friend was crying and they're like, are you okay?
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And I stepped outside right at that moment and said, what's going on?
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And she, you know, they got them telling her that and she goes, all I heard was Chasta,
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stop.
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Chasta, no.
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Chasta, how should she get hearing this and Sherry was going out Chasta?
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What?
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What are you talking about?
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And she said, I'm sorry, but you're too loud.
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I'm going to go outside and eat because I can't eat.
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I'm screaming in my ear.
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Oh, and so she went outside and that was the end of it, you know.
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So here we are 13 years later.
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She's telling the story and my friend is crying and my friend said, well, that was my family's
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Chinese restaurant.
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My family that was murdered by a serial killer and the youngest daughter, Chasta, was the
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only one who survived.
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Yes, I know this story.
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So she said, all I wanted to do was literally have someone go to this, to the place where
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it happened and tell the mother that we were sorry.
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When we went to the funeral, the two children were still missing.
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They went to the funeral for the oldest son and the boyfriend and the mother and her brother
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who it was his kids no longer lived there anymore.
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And they just wanted to say they were sorry because they thought that she had been, it had been
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some bad friends of hers or something had happened that was her fault.
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And they said, we just want her to know that we are sorry because we never in a million
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years thought, you know, that it was that, you know, that it was a serial killer.
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You know, we just thought there's something about it happened.
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And the ladies were sitting here and they went, she knows.
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This was somehow facilitated by my spirits.
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My friend came here all the time and would sit out there in that corner.
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And every time she'd come, she'd sit all night.
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She's kind of a night owl.
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She'd sit there all night.
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And just, you know, the perfect spot.
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The perfect night and listen to the owls and, you know, just enjoy herself.
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And she often saw someone walking through the, you know, on the porch and stuff at night.
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Oh, wow.
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Oh, I just feel like the whole story kind of came to a point where they reached out.
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And it was her nephew who was one of the boys that was killed.
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He was the one who wanted to, you know, wanted to reach out and knew that his aunt was suffering.
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And it was okay.
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Everybody knows that you guys are sorry.
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So that was almost the moment where I really believed a lot more than I ever had been before.
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Because how would they know?
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Yeah.
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Right.
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There's just, there's just no way.
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Yeah.
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So, and it was just so we just so far apart from us ever meeting any of us ever meeting.
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So.
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Wow.
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And then we have another story from Zoe who was the paranormal investigator that we talked
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to who works at Ghost of the Grand.
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Yeah.
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And she has a story about an entity or something negative that hangs around.
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I think, I think she said in the basement, we'll hear the story.
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We'll hear it directly from Zoe.
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So she can tell us.
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I'm so excited to hear all of these things that I was there for, but have no memory of and
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didn't hear and absorb in real time.
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Yeah.
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And I don't know where you were for the interview as Zoe.
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You weren't there, but I don't know if you had lingered in the background at all or I think
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I might have been in the kitchen.
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I think at that point, Vicki was making me tea.
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Oh, yes.
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Oh, yes.
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Oh, so sweet.
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There's a lot of activity in the basement.
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There's a lot of women in the basement, surprisingly.
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I've kind of raised my heart.
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There's a lot of women's spirits in the basement.
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There's some children down there and there's a very predominant male presence who refuses
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to give us his name and it pisses me off because there's been multiple people that have
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gone to the grand.
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And every single one that I've seen at least has come across him and he likes to give fake
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names.
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Oh, okay.
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He won't.
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Like demon vibes.
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Yeah.
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Kind of.
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It's probably not that cool, but the thing is it's like he wants us to believe that he's
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a demon, but we know he's not.
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That's one of the really funny things.
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We just we know that he isn't, but he's just like, I am big, tough man.
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We don't like those living or dead.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, there is a reason why he is the one spirit down there that I will take a little page
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that I've spoken to.
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Because he's like, if you were actually demon, you would have possessed me right now.
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Yeah.
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It's funny because he does he does like to manipulate the temperature in the basement.
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Oh, okay.
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Like does he make it hot?
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He makes it very hot in rooms down there, which you know, it's it's a basement in 125
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years old.
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There's no heating down there.
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Yeah.
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There's no heating.
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There's no heaters down there.
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There is the original furnace of the building down there, but that is not operational.
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Does he come with a sulfury smell?
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Are we sure he's not a demon?
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Yeah.
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No.
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A lot of people attribute making rooms hotter with demons.
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Uh-huh.
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That's what I've heard.
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Yeah.
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But from everything that we've been able to tell, he's not a demon.
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I feel like he just did his research and not so pleased trying to think it until he
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makes it.
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Yeah.
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He likes to swear at people.
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He likes to touch women, especially and appropriately.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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I have a lot of experiences with him.
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He's called me bitch on our spirit box one time called for.
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I wish that we had it on film because I would share it because it is it's one of the funniest
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things to me because it is such it's such a time bringing people down into the basement
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that I've just met and immediately hearing bitch as I'm talking about him.
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That is not cool.
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I'm sorry.
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I find it hilarious personally.
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Yeah.
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People have been like, oh, that is so horrible.
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It's like, yeah, I'm used to it with him though.
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That's the thing.
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I just think I am a bitch.
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So what?
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Yeah.
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I'm a bitch to him specifically.
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So, you know, it's maybe that's his way of just greeting you now.
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He's like, that's not bad.
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He likes to try and take control of the situation.
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I think he doesn't like that I'm not scared of him.
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Right.
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Like a strong woman.
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Yeah.
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So I'm going to pin it women.
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Yeah.
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I've never been afraid down there ever and usually spirits like that, especially ones who
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in life were very like controlling men.
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They especially hated in death if you're not afraid.
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Oh, yeah.
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I like, I just want to go there so bad.
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Is this in the basement?
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Yeah, it's in the basement.
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That's where you lock people down.
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Like you do lock ins and the basement.
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We bring people down there and we bring our supplies and we have a rampant.
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We have I think two rampads.
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We have a spirit box.
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We have EVPs that we give people and we have a little spirit chat box where it's like a
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spirit box, but it's basically like a dictionary.
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It's a whole library of words where energy can be manipulated to the point where it brings
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up specific words.
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Is it like the the novelist?
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Yeah, it's like an office.
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Got it.
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And do you get a lot of activity?
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Oh, so much.
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They they've been really excited ever since we brought in the spirit chat box.
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They love that thing so much.
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So much so that we don't really get anything on our actual spirit boxes really anymore.
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They are so preoccupied with like picking their words.
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Yeah, and I think they like that it's a lot more specific for them.
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That is so cool.
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Yeah, because with a spirit box, you know, they have to go through channels and pick out
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words from those.
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Yeah, whereas with this is they can just.
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They pick out what word they want with how they manipulate it.
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In theory.
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Yeah.
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In theory.
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Right.
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You know, we kind of know how these things work.
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It's because they're in this podcast.
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We understand, but I will clarify in theory because unfortunately, we only understand so much
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about how our instruments work right scientifically.
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But we're always trying to understand and I mean the most the thing I think we're all trying
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to do is just gather as much evidence as possible.
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We're not saying like this is totally evidence of a ghost, but we're just trying to gather
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as much evidence as possible to try to understand the other side.
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So yeah, we're investigating repair normal investigators.
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Exactly.
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That's what investigation is.
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It's just trying to understand.
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Yeah, look and try to understand.
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I love glancing over and just seeing the flashlights on.
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The flashlights on.
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It's so funny.
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I know I kind of forgot to pay attention to them, but oh, thank you.
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Yeah, thank you.
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Thanks for playing with us.
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That's so much fun.
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Adding to the conversation.
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Honestly, I've never run into anything that I've been genuinely afraid of or genuinely think
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would bring me like absolute harm.
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I can't say for certain if the bad man would want to, he probably would try and harm me if
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he could, but he can't.
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You're too protected.
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Yeah, and that is a really important thing is if you ever go paranormal investigating,
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remember, please use protections.
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Use protection, everybody.
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Use protection.
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You just have a black tourmaline on you or visualize a white shield around you before
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you go into.
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That's a really good one.
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I like to use visualization, but I also, I forgot to today, just because I knew they
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coming into here, this is not a place with any negative energy that I really need to shield
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myself from.
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So I was like, I don't need to go all out, but I use perfume with intention.
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Oh, that's genius.
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Yeah, because it's easy.
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Yeah, it's just really easy.
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And it's something that people can do every day, really, too, just like before they go
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outside, you know, a lot of people like wear like perfumes or cologne.
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So it's just like doing that and like setting your intentions.
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Yeah.
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And a little cello night stone or something and like, yeah, but just the intention though,
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like, just weave a little magic into your life, I think it helps.
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Yeah, it is.
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I don't think it got mentioned in the ghosts of the Delaney House episode because spoiler alert,
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there might be more.
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But I don't think it got mentioned that Chelsea, who runs ghosts of the grand, hooked us up
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with Fiki at the Delaney House.
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Yes, she did.
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She hooked us up with phone numbers and like set this whole thing up for us to come and
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tour it and hang out and do the interviews.
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I'm telling ya.
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Yeah, unfortunately she couldn't be there that day, but we're going to have her on probably
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at some other point and we're going to be visiting ghosts of the grand very soon.
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Yes, we are.
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Stay tuned for that.
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I'm just saying good things come from Chelsea's.
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So we got an email, someone finally emailed us a story.
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After we say that, threatening you guys, someone finally emailed you say that, but we got
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another email and I might read a part of it in the episode where I take their case suggestion.
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We got an email from a very important creepy person, a VICP.
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I'm not going to lie.
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I kind of like that.
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I do.
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VICP.
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And I don't know if you know this, but I will tell you why she is a VICP.
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Okay, please do.
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We got an email from Judy about the Delaney House.
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She says in her title Delaney House, question mark, question mark.
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So she listened to the episode immediately and was like, I have a story.
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Excellent.
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By the way, we met at Nightmare Factory.
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No, we didn't, Judy.
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Well, you kind of did.
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Do you remember the button face video?
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Yes, that's Judy.
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That was Judy.
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That was Judy.
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Okay, Judy.
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So we've kind of unofficially met.
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So Judy invited both of us, but kind of already knowing that Caitlin wouldn't want to
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go to the haunted house called the Nightmare Factory.
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She sat the Oregon School for the Deaf and Salem Oregon.
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We invited Caitlin.
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She was like, I'm busy that day.
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You know, I was there in the year.
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Right.
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So I brought my friend Michelle with me and we had a blast going through.
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We were the only ones in there.
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We got to go through alone and Judy was nice enough.
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And oh my gosh, and all the actors were just so nice enough to just let us take, I mean,
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we tried not to take too much time, but we took a little time looking at everything because
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they worked so hard.
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Of course, putting it all together and it's so beautifully decorated.
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So we just took our time in there, you know, wandering around all scared looking at everything,
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you know, getting distracted, looking at something and then getting scared.
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So that made the jump scares like even better.
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So yeah, it was so much fun.
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And I gosh, I did felt I feel bad sometimes because we were just really looking at things.
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And I was like, man, I'm sure the actors want to get out of here.
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They're like, get these people out.
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We want to go home.
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I don't know.
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It's a passion project.
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I hope they had fun because we had just a ton of fun just hanging out there and getting
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scared and hanging out with Judy.
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There was one point where she was at the beginning and then she met us like in another part and
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she was doing the scare monster thing.
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And it had a little mishap and we have a video of it that I'll probably put it together
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a little video for Patreon, just like a little bonus.
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Something happened with the thing with the scare.
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And so we were just cracking up laughing.
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I was like, one of the rules is you can't touch anything.
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You know, outer respects, you don't mess anything up.
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But I fell off of the scare.
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And I was like, I would like pick it up, but I get like, can't because I'm not supposed
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to touch anything.
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Oh no.
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And then she came out and it was Judy.
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And so we were cracking up.
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So that was pretty funny.
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And then she kind of walked around with us for a little bit, pointing out a couple little
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things here and there.
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And then it was a really good time.
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I love that.
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It would have been too scary for you though.
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I think you would, I don't think you would have, you would like to do like the lights on tour.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Like that's it.
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So you could see all the details and things.
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But yeah, or maybe it lights like in the dark tour, but like no scares.
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No dress maybe.
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Oh, yeah.
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I like that too.
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Maybe we'll have to set something like that up for you someday.
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Yeah.
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One of these days.
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Everybody who has access to these things that will make me not never sleep again.
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Or pee or pants.
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Yeah.
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Also peeing my pants now on my bucket list.
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Okay.
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So we get a little backstory here from Judy.
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I met my now husband, her, his daughter and my son, both age five.
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Oh, it's a kindergarten, right?
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kindergarten?
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Yeah.
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The two childless people trying to guess what age kids go to school.
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What age grades are kindergarten and then like high school wishes.
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Ages.
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I, I can guess that anywhere in between really.
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That's a crap shoot.
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Yep.
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They went to the same babysitter.
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So I knew the mom of his daughter before I knew him.
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Oh, okay.
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You know, my ex, so it all feels complicated.
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Michigan Kelly just bringing that back.
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She asked me one day to go pick her ex up in the next town over and bring him over to move
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in with her because she was having a nervous breakdown and needed her ex husband to move in
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with them.
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That's an interesting request, but okay.
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Okay.
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I did that, which, you know, you're so helpful.
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You're such a helpful person.
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Like go pick up my ex in the next town.
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I'm sure maybe she actually.
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Yeah.
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I, I hope so.
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I really hope so.
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I did that and that's the first time I met him and I feel like it was like a Taylor Swift
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sparks fly situation.
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Hmm.
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After the ex wife had recovered a little bit and was ready for him to move on.
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I told him I needed somebody to move onto the farm and help take care of my son and also
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take care of the farm.
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I thought she was going to say it also.
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Take care of me.
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Yeah.
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My downstairs business.
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The farmland.
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If you know what I mean, I hope you don't mind our dirty.
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We kind of, I kind of know, I feel like I know Judy a little bit.
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So I feel like we can make a little joke.
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Judy, I feel like at this point in your listenership is not, right?
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Yeah.
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If you're not acquainted with the, the dick jokes then and our very juvenile humor, I just,
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm sorry.
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Is that still a thing people say?
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We said it earlier.
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Yeah.
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I'm still a literal sorry.
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Maybe.
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But we can move on and finish our story for her.
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After he moved on to the farm as just a roommate, taking care of things since I worked and
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he didn't, oh, that's very nice.
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That's like so convenient to put the man to work at the home.
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We just, we talked about that.
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Put the men in the kitchen.
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Yeah.
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Literally.
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Dad.
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We all noticed that the ghost sounds that my son and I would hear didn't happen when he
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was around.
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Oh, I could explain away the steps on the stairs since the house was built in 1876 and this
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was about 1997 when it all started happening.
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So old house makes sounds very old.
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Absolutely.
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Or maybe they were footsteps.
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I couldn't explain away the crashing sound in my bedroom that turned out to be absolutely
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nothing when he was not home.
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I don't like that.
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Okay.
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So the sounds were like happening when he wasn't there and when he was there.
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Yeah.
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They deceased.
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So they have a misogynist ghost.
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Maybe.
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That night I decided not to leave the couch until he got home to check everything out, which
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I totally understand.
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Yeah.
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That's fair.
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So time went on.
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The kids got older and they would always hear things happen when my roommate was not
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around.
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The house burned down in 2002 and we worked on building a new house.
23:47
I'm so sorry.
23:48
That is like, oh, I feel like you just casually threw that in there.
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Oh, that gave me chills though.
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Wow.
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I was married to someone else at the time.
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So I had the farm nanny, his daughter, my son and my husband all living in this big farm
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house.
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So farm nanny is the roommate who's a huge husband.
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Okay.
24:17
So that makes sense.
24:19
But it's like, it's like multi, well, I guess I want to say like multi generation or multi
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family.
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That's their kid.
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Yeah.
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Multi family is the right way to say that I think.
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Yeah.
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It's farm nanny and his daughter and then yeah, Judy, her husband and their kids.
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Yeah.
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Two families and one multi family.
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You know, that's that's exactly what it is.
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And I mean, it's a big farm house, right?
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So it seems seems legit seems like it.
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So we get the house finished and my husband at the time, right?
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Because our house burned down and all those people were living in it.
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Oh, is that oh my gosh.
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Okay.
24:57
They were finishing a new house.
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And my husband at the time, well, he had some issues of his own.
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He was a drug addict as well as verbally abusive, mentally abusive and really didn't help much
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at all when we were building the house.
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Well, that is.
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Oh, well, that's rude.
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That's shitty.
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I'm sorry to go through that.
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I'm glad you have what it sounds like other people around you to help.
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So yeah.
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Oh, it sounds okay.
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Sorry.
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This sounds like like just, you know, when it rains at pours type of situation because it
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keeps going.
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My dad died a little after we had finished the house.
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My kids would say they heard things and would say that they knew it was grandpa.
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Oh, it's like sad and heartwarming at the same time.
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They would just ask grandpa to be quiet and all was fine.
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Just call my grandpa.
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We're trying to focus.
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Keep it down.
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We're trying to fall asleep.
25:58
Well, that is so sweet that they're not even scared because they were just like, it's
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grandpa.
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It's grandpa, obviously.
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We were just talking about how ghosts should be that scary because they're just people.
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They're just us.
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Yeah.
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Soon after I ended up divorcing that husband and years later, I ended up marrying the roommate
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to the farm, Danny.
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Oh.
26:24
Her farm.
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Okay.
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I had to stop myself.
26:29
I was like, boy, bye.
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Hello, new farm boy.
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Oh, it was her princess, fine farm boy.
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And he would say as you wish to her every time she needed something down in the farm.
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And that's just how it is in my head.
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And you can't, Judy, please don't tell me otherwise.
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Yeah.
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Listen, usually we are all about reporting the facts, but if those aren't the facts, we want
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to report false news.
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I can't handle the truth.
26:57
So I'm going to clip that for me saying we report false news and put it all over TikTok.
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And like, you know what people are going to do, people, they think they're going to do.
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What are you going to do?
27:12
So this is how things kept going.
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I'd hear things even after the kids moved out, but not if my new husband was there.
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Everything was always quiet.
27:21
So he was like, maybe like a shield.
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He's like a protector.
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Oh, you know what, though, that kind of makes sense because think about all the things that
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used to happen in the old department.
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Hmm.
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And a lot of it happened when Chris wasn't there.
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Oh, I never brought this up to anybody.
27:41
But finally, I said something in a forum online and a friend of mine messaged me that lives
27:48
a thousand miles away.
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But we had visited just a little while before that.
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So they keep in touch on the forum.
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It reminds me kind of of me and you and like, like, more of a fan group.
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That's so funny.
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I was thinking kind of the same.
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I'm like, just friends are, yeah, it's our post on there and was like, oh my gosh, I just
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saw you and like, this is happening.
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That would be kind of crazy.
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Yeah, it would.
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You have to like, take that as some sort of a sign, I think.
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She has said that she always hears voices and always sees things.
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And when my husband was there, everything was quiet.
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So this person was also experiencing the same things in the house.
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Oh my gosh.
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That's very validating.
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Yeah.
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I felt that finally somebody else saw what I was seeing and my husband was kind of amazed
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at it as well.
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Okay.
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So making the husband believe is a huge milestone in life.
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Yeah.
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In the paranormal world or making the like spouse believe.
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Yeah.
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You're goddamn right it is.
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And we're breaking them down every goddamn day.
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Chasin on the way.
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Fast forward maybe 10 years.
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We went to Virginia City in Nevada.
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That's confusing.
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That is very confusing.
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And I don't like it.
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I'm not going to lie.
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We're not going to like to see there because.
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Okay.
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Great.
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Virginia City in Nevada and visited the McKay mansion there that is haunted.
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Mm hmm.
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So we went inside and I was talking to the guy that had just captured some growls on his
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phone.
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And I was listening to what he had in his recordings.
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Zach Beggins had been there a couple of weeks earlier by the way.
29:37
So you walked where Zach Beggins walked in the footsteps.
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You the jerk off motion.
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We talk about love hate, love hate, love hate.
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It's the ratio swings hard in one direction.
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I'm on a hard 50/50.
29:54
You can't break me either way.
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It's a hard 50/50.
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A little later someone walked up to my husband and asked when he was leaving.
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All the activity stopped when he came in.
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So I think they're asking like, hey, can you get out of here so we can like experience
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some paranormal activity please?
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Oh my God.
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So either he's so scary that the ghosts are afraid of him or he's a protector, which I'm
30:22
leading protector.
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I mean, or or or my first theory, which was that they are misogynist ghosts and they're
30:30
just like, we don't want to behave badly towards females in front of another man.
30:37
That's true.
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And if Zach Beggins was just there, they're probably like, man, he was like, oh, no.
30:46
Where's the bagel bite?
30:47
That's kind of funny though that they were like, okay, when does the sky leaving?
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Yeah.
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They're like, cause ain't nothing happening.
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So we left soon after that.
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They got man, they got kicked out of the ghost place.
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That's hilarious.
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You got kicked out because you are ghost.
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Right tonight.
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Yes, literally.
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So maybe you need to bring him with you.
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That's what I might not be.
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I'm like not to be inappropriate with other people's husbands, but why I borrow you.
31:22
Like also like we can all hang out together.
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I'm not trying to make it weird.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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I just I really potentially need some ghost.
31:32
Right tonight.
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So we're fast forwarding again to November 17th, 2019.
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Ooh, right before all hell war blues.
31:46
Right before the, the great panini.
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Yeah, the great panini.
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Yeah.
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Remember the before times?
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Oh, we were invited to a party, which was probably the last party you attended for very
31:59
long time.
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Oh, no.
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Oh, oh boy.
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I hope you went because it was about to be a very long, long time.
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Oh, it sounds like they went.
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So we were invited to a party with our hot friends at the Delaney House.
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Sound familiar, which they own.
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So Vicki, I'm assuming I can't remember when Vicki said that they took ownership of
32:26
the house.
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So it was either Vicki or the previous owner.
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No, they've had it.
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They've had it for longer than that.
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I had known that she was inviting a tarot card reader and a paranormal investigation team
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to her haunted house.
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They start investigating outside of the house on the back porch, the wrap around porch,
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the wrap around porch.
32:47
Why, what they do that?
32:49
Because it's cool out there.
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Nice and pretty.
32:52
I do love a wrap around porch.
32:55
They have a tablet with the Xbox Connect SLS camera attached to it.
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So they're getting figures, like stick figures on the screen, which is basically, I was just
33:04
about to say what an SLS camera, but it shows stick figures based, like it tries to find
33:11
a human shape.
33:12
Okay.
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And then it makes it look like a stick figure.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That, okay, that's exactly what it was picturing when you say SLS camera.
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Yeah.
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I got confused when they said something about Xbox and I was like, I don't play video
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games.
33:26
Yeah, but it's not a video game.
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It's like the ghost catching machine.
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Okay.
33:31
All right.
33:32
Good.
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Because I was going to phone a friend's phone.
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I'm the friend you phone for ghost info.
33:37
Well, sure, but for video games stuff, I was going to, oh, yes, yeah, I was going to phone
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probably my husband.
33:43
Yeah, he would be the better knowledge.
33:46
Yeah.
33:47
Yes.
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You're, you're there was just one and it was on the back porch.
33:52
They found one stick figure on the back porch.
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I want to wear on the back porch.
33:57
I want to wear those specifically where in the wrap around was the figure.
34:02
Where as soon as he comes out, this stick figure becomes a massive number of lines just
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squiggly.
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And it disappears.
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No, thank you.
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Ooh, like a squiggly monster.
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I don't know why that is creeping me out.
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Yeah.
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At that point, my husband said, well, I know everybody else always believed, but now I believe
34:26
to.
34:27
We go to the Delaney house often, but now if there's ghost hunting happening, hubby doesn't
34:33
come.
34:34
Because he now he believes that now he's scared.
34:37
Okay.
34:38
So actually, he's maybe he's more like me than we thought.
34:42
Okay.
34:43
Yeah.
34:44
Sorry.
34:45
It took him to see a stick figure turn into a massive amount of squiggly lines.
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Yeah.
34:52
I've never seen that happen before.
34:53
I've seen a lot of ghost hunting footage.
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Yeah.
34:57
And I'm not going to lie to you guys.
35:00
I'm feeling suddenly like I need a potty break.
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The last line says, Judy.
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Okay.
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You may pee now.
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Judy, your name made her pee herself.
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Judy.
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Judy.
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Judy.
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Judy.
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Judy.
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Judy.
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We are pulling a moon oracle card for Judy and her story because we like to do the moon
35:37
oracle just to switch it up.
35:38
So we're not always doing tarot for everything.
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And they're just generally very positive cards.
35:46
And I'm already sending Judy a mini tarot reading for inviting us to the haunted house.
35:53
And for sending us a story.
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So you're going to get those little extra stickers and things because hello, we send out
36:01
stickers for stories.
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We bribe you.
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Yeah.
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If you didn't know that.
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Yeah.
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Just like to send people things.
36:08
Honestly, I do have some stamps that I'm dying to use.
36:13
They're a little off season, but you know, you got some stories.
36:17
I still have the Manatee stamps.
36:19
I really really like to buy random weird stamps.
36:23
Sometimes I'll use a stand a stamp in the middle of summer.
36:25
You don't know what you're going to get with that.
36:27
You really don't.
36:28
I just want to send people stuff with cute stamps.
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I know me too.
36:33
We like to put stickers all over it.
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Yeah.
36:37
You can get our signatures.
36:39
You can probably do our identity.
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I support the USPS and the PNW H&H.
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And this your story so we can support the USPS and use the stamps to send you stickers.
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We're doing our part.
36:57
Are you?
36:58
Okay.
36:59
So I'm going to put my mic down so I can put the cards to my chesticles, my heart.
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And we're going to feel out of card together me in Caitlin.
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She's going to send me her energy to my fingertips.
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There it is.
37:14
It's an owl.
37:17
It's just so full.
37:18
We got a little fuzzy owl.
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It's the cute one.
37:23
It looks like a baby.
37:24
I don't know if it's a baby owl but it looks like a little baby fuzzy owl.
37:27
They look like a baby.
37:30
And there's a, it's interesting because it's nighttime but there's a bee.
37:35
Yeah.
37:36
It does look like a bee.
37:37
Is it a mosquito?
37:38
I don't see a nose.
37:40
I feel like that looks like a bee.
37:43
Soulful.
37:44
I feel like Judy is pretty soulful.
37:47
I'm hung out with her a little bit and she was very like, you know, in the character.
37:51
I mean, you saw her in character.
37:53
They actually did.
37:55
Yeah.
37:56
That's pretty funny.
37:57
So the quote, it says, "Happiness resides not in possessions and not in gold happiness
38:03
dwells in the soul."
38:05
I love that.
38:06
That's so sweet.
38:07
I just feel like, I feel like I get that vibe from Judy.
38:10
I don't know.
38:11
Maybe she's not like that.
38:12
Judy, you can tell us.
38:15
I don't know where that will I matter for, like, you know, a couple minutes.
38:18
But I feel like I got that vibe.
38:20
Feeling depth and journey for the keywords.
38:26
Your soul is the spiritual part of your being.
38:29
Look closely into the mirror of your inner most existence.
38:33
And you will find your deepest,
38:35
rast most authentic thoughts and feelings each memory.
38:39
Oh.
38:40
Whoa.
38:40
Whoa.
38:44
Okay, I was trying to focus on reading.
38:46
Okay.
38:46
Okay.
38:47
And then I realized I look at it for some reason.
38:49
My eyes when I read don't want to go where they're supposed to.
38:53
And sometimes they look all around the page.
38:55
And that's why I struck the reading.
38:57
But I looked at the very top of the page and there's a fire, a flame in her house,
39:03
burnt down.
39:04
Oh, no.
39:06
Do you remember that?
39:06
But then I felt like it kind of in the thing I was like, oh, she kind of just dropped
39:11
this in like casually in one sentence.
39:13
But I'm sure, you know, that's a huge life thing.
39:15
Like it wasn't casual.
39:17
Oh my gosh.
39:18
And it's not like enormous.
39:19
It seemed like she took it just very well.
39:21
Like rebuilt a new home and like just restarted and same with having, you know,
39:27
a bad, difficult marriage.
39:29
Yeah.
39:30
You just have to.
39:31
I mean, my God, either of those things is a lot journey.
39:35
Yeah.
39:36
Feeling depth, the journey, like all of those things were in her story for sure.
39:43
Oh, okay.
39:44
I can't even remember where I'm at because I'll just like,
39:46
for now, each memory and experience that as part of your soul is safely tucked away inside of you.
39:53
Light the sparks in your soul.
39:56
Be carefree.
39:57
Let your colors dance wildly around you.
40:00
Dig deep in your garden will flourish and bloom endlessly.
40:05
Oh, it is so sweet.
40:07
Your own soul journey is very personal.
40:11
Protect your internal soulful powers.
40:14
You are the keeper of them.
40:15
Remember, you are a wondrous soulful being who knows you best of all.
40:22
So it's saying you know you best of all.
40:24
Is that what it's saying?
40:24
I mean, that's.
40:26
I know.
40:26
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
40:27
You are the keeper of your, yeah.
40:29
That's so sweet.
40:31
I definitely get, yeah, I get this whole vibe from her.
40:33
I know I said that, but it just all makes sense to me.
40:37
There is an intention at the ball.
40:40
Oh, okay.
40:42
Well, we, we got to know, let your magical light glow around you.
40:47
Soft star dust will dance like fireflies in the wondrous twilight sky.
40:53
Oh my gosh.
40:55
So pretty.
40:56
I love that.
40:58
Gosh, I really just like, I'm so curious about the beat.
41:02
Yeah.
41:03
What do bees do at night?
41:05
Like now I need to go on a whole rabbit hole and like,
41:07
debuts our bees out at night.
41:10
What's the symbolism of the beauty?
41:12
I'm like, does a bee connect with you?
41:15
I really want to know if the beer and I'll connect with you and we'll post a picture of the card.
41:19
Okay.
41:20
So I could be totally crazy when me the first name.
41:24
Probably are.
41:24
You know, but it says most bees are inactive and remain in their hive to rest and process
41:36
collected nectar into honey, tend to the brood and perform hive maintenance tasks like cleaning and ventilation.
41:45
At night time.
41:46
Bees are, I'm not sure that I'm going to say this right.
41:51
Diurnal, meaning they are active during the day and they use the night to recover from foraging,
41:58
ensuring a well functioning colony for the next day's activities.
42:03
Yeah, which is like opposite of an owl, which is not eternal.
42:06
Yeah.
42:08
So I kind of think that feels symbolic in this case though.
42:14
I'm just, I'm just going to give this like totally my own.
42:19
I love it.
42:19
Been an interpretation on this.
42:21
But like, if, if you're like living on a farm and you have, you know, this person that you are partnered with,
42:30
like think about how Judy described her, you know, previous marriage and that partnership and what that must have been like,
42:40
particularly as someone who is trying to raise children, having a partner that like, you are literally kind of like you are,
42:51
you're like going through the motions.
42:53
You are a busy bee.
42:57
Trying to hold it all together.
42:59
So like seeing kind of like those contrasting imagery in terms of, of the animals and thinking about the,
43:11
what I have to imagine are very stark contrast in terms of her relationship, relationships.
43:18
I can't speak for Judy, but like to me, it makes sense in a way that it's like, it's these very disparate times in your life.
43:27
Yeah.
43:28
I'll go out on a limb and say that, you know, I have had at various points in my life times where I have in various relationship dynamics.
43:39
I have, you know, been close to people that are dealing with active addiction and the way that you are moving through the world.
43:49
And your everyday life is so different from how you are moving when you are, you know, interacting with people that are living in, you know, a healthy way.
44:00
And that comes from not a place of, you know, judgment, but just these are the facts.
44:08
And you're just grappling with something that is so big.
44:12
Yeah.
44:14
In those situations and it's like shrouded in darkness like it feels like very symbolic.
44:20
Dude, okay, I'm sorry.
44:23
It's Taylor Swift.
44:24
I'm so sorry.
44:25
Like not sorry.
44:27
Is this not the song Opalite?
44:30
Where this guy was on X in the now, Opalite.
44:37
I don't know exactly.
44:39
But yeah, I feel like Judy is the Opalite.
44:43
Like she wanted, she wanted to be like the busy bee like during the day time and like had to make her own light and
44:50
full full.
44:52
I think that what makes a lot of us have like a soulful vibe or gives us depth as people are the experiences that can be very dark.
45:07
And for better or for worse, you know, those experiences, I think in a lot of cases allow us to have empathy for other people.
45:18
Yeah.
45:19
Oh, and I kind of like, I sort of like I think I said it once the nightmare factory.
45:25
It's at the Oregon School of the Deaf, but Judy 100% no sign language, which I don't know like any sign language.
45:33
So I'm like trying to communicate with people and we're not speaking the same language.
45:37
And Judy was just like right there to translate.
45:41
Yeah.
45:42
And so I was just like, oh my gosh.
45:43
And then just like to do sign language, like I feel like you have to feel it.
45:47
Like you have to be soulful.
45:49
Like you can't.
45:50
Yeah.
45:51
You have to like feel the what you're saying.
45:53
I think for it to come across, right?
45:55
I mean, I could be totally wrong.
45:57
But on it, honestly, the physicality of a language, particularly ASL is, I mean, I can't necessarily speak from experience, but I mean, just tremendous because you are expressing everything through these literally non verbal, you know, hand signals and.
46:24
It's interesting to see how expressive you know, people are when they are signing and I find that like.
46:34
I feel like there are so many things that we all stay day to day that we just sort of, it's like these throw away phrases and I feel like.
46:44
And, and you know, maybe once you have been signing for years and years, there's a certain amount of, you know, law they fare that just sort of happens over time, but I just feel like what I perceive from the outside just it's very expressive language because it is by virtue non verbal.
47:05
In the sense that it's not, you know, it's not auditory.
47:09
It's beautiful to watch too. I really is. I just like watch it and on like try to absorb as much as I can. I'm not like great at it, but it is interesting too because at the end she was signing with someone who was in a bowl mask and like.
47:25
You could even see even though they're wearing a mask like you can tell like they're expressing it's those how they feel yeah expressions on things that like you pick up on and even just hand movements.
47:40
But it really is it's so many little things and I think people don't realize and one thing that I feel like particularly actually researching for our show that I have picked up on at a level that is like so much more intense and in depth, then, you know what I innately feel like I understood.
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The prior at least was it's wild how much your body gives away like even people that are stone cold killers like the amount of non verbal cues that you give away like and you don't have to be enough.
48:27
You have to be a serial killer or anything like this happens in everyday communication. People can realize that like, oh, I'm picking up on this person's uncomfortable or you know, I mean, it could just be a little white lie but people pick up on brain.
48:44
Yes, it very much is I find it so fascinating. I find it so fascinating. Judy, you have to let us know if any of that means anything to like please immediately DM me on Instagram.
48:59
It meant a lot to us. You were recording for almost two hours tonight and.
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And have a free.
49:14
I am going to what was it horse and I'm a drive in. Yeah, I'm so excited. There will be photos.
49:32
Day two. Keep tuned. Just keep tuned. Creep tuned. Oh, I like that. Creep tuned.
49:45
So am I am I reading some of these or no. Oh, I just I never know what you for this. I just you just sit over there and.
49:58
Okay, I just never know what we're doing. So, but I never know what she's doing.
50:07
The mate loves.
50:12
Well, we don't have any meatloaf today. Unfortunately, nope. I would not do anything for love and I won't do that.
50:22
Famous meatloaf lyrics.
50:25
What will you do? I know what it is.
50:32
It's.
50:35
(laughs)