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FOX Sports NASCAR Reporter Bob Pockrass | Kenny Conversation #24 · Kenny Wallace Media

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Well, today's a big day because we're very lucky at Kenny
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conversation to always get the stars in all the sports, whether
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it's Tony Stewart or, you know, Ron Cavs or Haley Deegan.
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And now today, I believe we have the biggest star in his
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profession, sports, journalism. Bob Pocrass.
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Bob, thank you for being on Kenny conversation.
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Thanks for having me, Kenny. Well, let's let's start like
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this. It's kind of, it's not a game
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show because this is very serious.
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Everybody wants to know who is Bob Pocras?
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So yeah, right. Let's start right there.
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So Bob, where are you from? And tell us a little bit about
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your journey to NASCAR and we'll go back and forth on Kenny
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conversation. All right, well I was born in
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New York City but lived the 1st 10 years of my life in New
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Jersey and then I moved to Indianapolis.
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My dad got a new job and my family said hey, we got moved to
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Indianapolis and. And as you know, I know how much
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of A northerner I was. I met some friends there in
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Indianapolis, some kids in the neighborhood, and they said,
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hey, we're going to go to the park and play ball.
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And so I got my baseball bat and my glove because I thought we
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were going to go play some stickball or some baseball.
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And no, not in Indiana. No, that's basketball.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So. So I had a lot to learn when I
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got to Indiana. And one of those things was one
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thing you do learn when you live in Indiana is some auto racing.
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Because that's certainly big. It's in the culture there.
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You know, you you hear back home again in Indiana before the Indy
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500 and you like, you know, what's the big deal?
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Well, like you learn that song in elementary school, in your,
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in your choir class, you know that you have to take, like
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that's the song that you sing. So it's just totally ingrained
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in in the culture there. Senior Skip day when I was in
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high school. Yeah, you go and watch practice
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at the Indy 500. So that was kind of my
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indoctrination to racing. I went to yeah, I went to
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Indiana University. I didn't know a whole lot about
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stock cars. But you know, when I by, by
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around the time I graduated, I think I watched.
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I went to Days of Thunder and I and I laughed about how hard
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those cars hit each other because I knew, man, they don't
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hit each other that hard in Indianapolis because I had.
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Spent some summers working as a quote runner for United Press
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International. You go get quotes from drivers
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and bring them back to the reporters.
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I spent summer working for the Marion IN paper as a reporter
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for, you know, for their big Indy 500 special sections.
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So writing stories about drivers by one of the years is there.
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Willie. Willie T Ribs was the one, you
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know, making his historic start. So it was there for a lot of
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history. And when I graduated college, I
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sent about over 200 resumes and clip packages in the Daytona
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Beach News Journal. Call 100.
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Yeah, no, you want, you want, you want to get a job and and
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look, you knew you were going to.
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And Daytona said, hey, we have this, this opening in our DeLand
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office. It's a small town, but there's
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some high schools there. There's a college that's a
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university and there's this short track called Volusia
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County Speedway. And I looked it up and I think
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Kenny Wallace, I think Kenny Wallace just went a Bush race
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there because what year did you win that, 90 or 91?
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9191 I got, I was there just a little too late because I
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arrived in August of 91, spent 12 years there and then went to
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a magazine called NASCAR Scene which is a weekly magazine that
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covered NASCAR magazines. Go you know that it didn't last,
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but we had website called Scene Daily.
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That website eventually closed, but the people who own that also
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on The Sporting News, they rolled me into The Sporting
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News, then went to ESPN in 2015 and then it joined Fox in 2019.
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I think what I hear that really interests me is so many kids now
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a day, you know, they want to have their Rd. planned out you.
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So you you moved from New Jersey with your father, right?
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We're going to Andy, whether you liked it or not.
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That's right. So you you were just going with
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dad and this journey that you're telling us about, you were just
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going and doing. Was anything planned?
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No, I mean, really nothing was planned.
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I mean, when you were, when you're a sports writer, you you
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never know where it's going to go.
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I mean, when I worked at Daytona, I worked there for 12
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years. And I mean, I would say the last
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10 years I was sending out resumes fairly regularly trying
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to find jobs. There was one year, I'm going to
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say it was like 1995 or 96. There's one day I got a call
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from three different newspapers on my voicemail about jobs and
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just. You know, you know, I didn't get
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them, you know, so but like everywhere, I mean if you want
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to know, like I I interviewed in Orlando, FL, Melbourne, FL,
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Bradenton, FL, Green Bay, WI Anderson, SC, had phone
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interviews with people in mobile Everett, WA.
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I think we're trying to get a job while I was working in
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Daytona just you know to go and cover sports in those
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communities, Fort Wayne IN so you you just you never knew
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where you you might end up. And then what happened is, is
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that my seat in the Daytona Media Center was right across
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from where all the people from NASCAR Scene magazine worked in
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the Media Center in Daytona. So I got to know all the all the
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people there. They got to see how I worked you
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know this they saw me twice a year during the during speed
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weeks and then in July. And so when they had an opening
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there they they they told some people are like, hey we can you
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encourage this guy to contact us?
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Because you know, when I guess they kind of liked what they
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saw, you know, they they knew how I went about my job, you
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know, and so they already kind of knew what I was about before,
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you know, I ever reply. So like Larry McReynolds, you
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know, one of our biggest, you know, I worked where you were at
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for 15 years. I love Fox, love Steve Craddock,
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all my bosses, Eric Shanks and and I learned a lot from Larry
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Mack. So you know, I did my due
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diligence as Larry said, I got my notes and I want to read this
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to you and I want to talk about this.
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Who is Bob Parkrass? Came on the NASCAR scene with
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his own style, massive amount of stats and first person in the
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Media Center gained Bob national attention.
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Bob, you're rare. You're different.
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Did you ever realize that that you were different than all the
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media members? I mean, listen, I know you get
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along with all your Did you ever realize that you were different?
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Yeah, well, I'm anal. Can I say that on your show?
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I think I just have a natural curiosity and I just.
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I I remember things like, oh, I need to check on this.
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I need to continue to check on that.
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I need to continue to look things up.
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I need. And so and I just have, I mean
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you talk about like you asked where I was from.
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You know, my parents grew up in New York City.
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They were born in the mid 30s. And so, you know, absolutely.
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And so they're like you got to have to work for everything you
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can get because nothing's going to be handed to you.
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And you you know it's. So I think that's just something
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that was instilled for me from when I was a child.
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And I guess, I mean, I think we're all a little different,
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but I'm just, yeah, some people might be able to do the job and
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be the. And not need to be first in the
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Media Center or or last, but for me, I like to get in there and
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kind of get myself settled. So then I kind of know I can get
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focused on the the work at hand. And so you know I think the the
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other thing that you know you ask what makes you different is
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that you know, I love journalism.
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I love, I always say that people's discretionary time and
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their discretionary income, they don't have a lot of it and if
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they're going to. Depend on me to help them
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understand one of their the sport that they watch and help
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them determine whether they're going to go to a race or not or
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buy a driver's tshirt or not or how they spend their weekends.
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That's our responsibility, right?
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And you want to do it right and you want to be accurate and you
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want to be fair for those people who are, you know, who are, who
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are following you and reading, reading what you write.
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And if you can impact somebody in that way, that's a great, you
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know, to me that's a great thing that that.
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That you can do in life. So let's recap You.
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You come out of New Jersey with your New York born parents born
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in the Depression. You work hard.
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You follow your mom and dad to Indy.
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You don't really realize it, but it's basketball country, not
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baseball country. You grew up around the
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Indianapolis 500. You point out that Willie T Ribs
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was a big story early in your career.
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Then you you head on down to date Tony, you put out 200
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resumes. Now the reason I'm recapping
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this is I want the kids to understand that you didn't have
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a plan and I know I'm repeating myself, but you made your own
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lane and you became popular because of a hardcore work
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ethic. Now this is where I'm going with
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this and we go back and forth on Kenny conversation.
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In my opinion, you become so popular with your work ethic
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that to me, you land one of the biggest jobs in NASCAR,
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journalism, Fox Sports, FOX TV out of LA, Eric Shanks, Steve
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Craddock, all the big boys, they come calling.
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What was that like when you finally got what I mean?
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Was it the big call? Well, So what happened was, is
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that ESPN decided they didn't need a NASCAR writer anymore.
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They didn't need a Motorsports writer.
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So my contract was ending with ESPN.
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And actually ESPN was like, you know, we'd love to be able to
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keep you in some form. We just don't know how or where.
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And this is when they were going through a lot of leadership
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changes. So you weren't getting, I wasn't
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getting a lot of answers and. And I think I, you know, and I
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put out a tweet there at the, you know, is that I found out
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the day before the banquet in the 20, I want to say 2018 And
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and so that after the bank, I said, hey, you know, I'm a free
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agent. I don't know what I'm going to
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do. But there's also the possibility
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of staying at ESPNI just didn't know, and a lot of people called
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and. But so at the time and still,
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you know, I was living in Charlotte, my wife was based in
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New York. So.
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So my goal, my goal was to I want to stay in journalism.
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BI wanted to be able to see my wife more in New York and see,
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you know, then stay in racing. And I talked to a lot of people
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in racing and talked to a lot of people outside of racing.
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There was some That was time when gambling news was really
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big because all everybody knew it was coming.
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There are a lot of gambling websites that talked to me, had
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contract from at least one of them and went on the way.
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And you know, Fox didn't really have, they didn't have an
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opening per se, but they knew what I they knew that all that
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many of their people followed me on social.
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They knew that. They knew that that I I brought
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a lot of things to their attention that they would want
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to talk about during the telecast they had recently
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stopped having. Written word on their website.
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So they didn't really have like a a writer or reporter who they
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could go to and say hey, is this going to happen, is that going
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to happen and stuff. And so, so they saw that I could
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be a a really good fit for for them, a really good addition.
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And you know, I would say the January 1, 2019, it'd be about
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30% chance I was going to be at the Daytona 500, because I
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didn't really. I figured I was going to move to
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New York, probably cover gambling.
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But Fox had. I talked a little bit to Fox and
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they came back soon after January 1 and had something that
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I liked. And they actually let me live in
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New York because I'm not in studio all that much though I'm
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here here for some stuff today. But it was just it was it was a
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great fit and it's it's another one of those examples, Kenny,
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you talk about like you don't know your path.
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I got the ESPN job. And mainly because again, those
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the editor there had seen my work and had seen what he was at
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the track. He knew what I could do and you
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know and want me on his staff back in 2015.
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So it's just a matter of you never know who's watching and
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you never know who's paying attention.
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Yeah, and I want to say something.
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This is my, my, my compliment, my comment.
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I don't think. Now listen, we love everybody.
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We don't be mean. But ESPNI mean, you were there,
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but I don't, I don't think you showed up.
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What I mean is ESPN didn't do you good when you got in and I'm
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hardcore when you got the Fox TV, they use you in all the
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right ways. They put you on TV, They made
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these short videos with you. Bob Paw, Crash is way more
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popular, way more famous now that he's with Fox because they
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use you in the right way. Now, what do you think of what I
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just said? Is that correct?
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Is that wrong? You know, ESPN obviously didn't
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have a daily NASCAR show, right? So they they they didn't have
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the outlets. You know, it was me and Ricky
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Craven and a couple others there was.
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Right, right. And but I mean, but they treated
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me well and in fact a couple days after I signed with Fox, I
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got phoned. They're like, you know from some
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somebody in their international divisions like we might be able
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to get you to some F1 races. Could you know, are you staying?
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I was like, no, I just. I just signed with with with Fox
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so so there was still still have a lot of respect for the people
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there. I felt like that they you know
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even though it wasn't a high priority maybe on the on the TV
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side from the from the.com side they they they treated me really
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well and they always seemed to have an interest in in what was
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going on. I just think Fox had a lot of
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avenues, but they didn't have at the time when they hired me was
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we didn't have a website and I was actually able to write for
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USA TODAY for a year. And then foxsports.com kind of
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relaunched in in 2020 with the app and and new website and
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that's when they they added those duties for me.
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But yeah, they they've made me certainly more famous, more
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noticeable that you know, whenever you're on TV, you know,
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my goal is always to be able to impact as you know as many
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people as possible. And I think at ESPN you
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certainly could do that because of the reach of of the website,
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but obviously. For NASCAR fans and the people
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who follow the sport, you know, NASCAR Race Hub and NASCAR Race
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Day and now you know I think on our website too@foxsports.com
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that that we we provide a lot of lot of information for them.
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Yeah and you know, years ago the great Bill Elliott said to me,
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Kenny, life is about timing and circumstances.
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So once again, this is my opinion.
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ESPN loses you, Fox gets lucky and gets you and you've got good
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managerial there and boy, they. I think it's just like you went
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from one team that was playing 500 and that now you're in the
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World Series or the Super Bowl every week.
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So you know, that's just my opinion.
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Bob, congratulations on that. You got one hell of a job.
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So I've noticed that it, it seems to me like you've always
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been a pretty serious man, but they've taken you out of your
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element. I feel like I I see you at
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Bristol, partying it up, having a good time, and I know that's
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part of the content. Bob, are you fun or are you fun
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on the, you know, at home? So, but I mean, here's the
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thing, Kenny, is that when you were at the racetrack and I'm a
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reporter. Yeah, I'm trying to do a job and
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you have 600 things to do and I have 600 things to do.
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And so you know I'm going to ask you the questions and you know
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there may be a little bit of small talk, but there's not a
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lot of time for that. So you're going to see me,
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you're going to ask questions and I'm going to go on and we're
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going to go our our ways. And I think, you know I
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certainly have kind of a a business side to me and I think
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that's what people see and that's what and that was what
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people. I thought I was like all the
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time and but you know I I feel like I have a silly side I have
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a humorous side. I I, you know, I can joke
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around, but that probably doesn't come off when people are
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watching a press conference or reading a story.
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You have to kind of see it more in a more interactive,
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interactive way. And certainly Fox has has
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allowed me, has showed that, has showed that that that side of me
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and it was a big hit, Bob. Yeah, dancing through the foam
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it. Was a big little hit.
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Yeah. It's fun and it's, I mean, I
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like I'm I guess I just, it's just it's part of my part of my
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personality now. It's not something.
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You know, I mean, it's not going to foam parties every week, so
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I'm finding finding one out, but but you're more businesslike.
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But it was, I mean in fact, so I mean how that gets started.
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I was taking over Fox's Instagram for a day at Bristol
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and it was near the end of the day night, you know, after the
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race, but like the truck race or same race.
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And I asked the people at at Fox Social, I said, hey, am I done?
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And they're like, we really need one last bit, you know, to kind
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of close out the story. And I was like, I was tired.
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And I was kind of actually probably a little ticked off
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that they, you know, that I really need to do another one.
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I mean, seriously, it's been 12 hours and somebody from the
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track is like just made now. So, hey, we're going to the
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phone party. Does anybody want to come?
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And I was like, well, if they want something to close out this
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story, might as well go to the phone party.
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And and they did that video like, hey, I'm at the phone
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party probably a little, you know, just kind of a little bit.
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I don't. I only after a 15 hour day.
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A little delirious. Yes.
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Yeah. So I was like, I'm going to give
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him something, see if they like it.
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And now it's. Yeah, now it's now I got to do
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it every year because it's just kind of become a little bit of a
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tradition that's fun and and that's the thing that, you know,
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you've, I mean people, people enjoy it.
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And if people enjoy it, then, you know, then then let's do it.
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I think you made it okay for people that may be on the series
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side to jump around and and have a good time.
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Well, you know what a journey you've had.
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Couple more things. Bob, your advice with the ever
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changing Times Now you know we went from antenna for your TV,
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we went from no phones. Now this is everybody's world,
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and people at Fox know that. You know, they're live streaming
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now. What advice in particular now
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stay in our lane. What advice do you give the kids
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now with this new era that we're in and they want to be like you,
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Bob? My first advice is, especially
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if they want to get into Motorsports, is don't feel like
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you have to find a job that's 100% Motorsports right away.
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There's lots of. As you know can there's lots of
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agencies and and other groups that work in the sport but they
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also work in other sports and even you know other
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entertainment and parts of the entertainment industry.
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And if you can find something that might be 10% NASCAR or 20%
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NASCAR and you get to do all these other things, that's not
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that. That's not a bad thing at all,
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because many people in this industry want people who have
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other experiences outside NASCAR to bring perspective.
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And if you as long as you're doing some stuff in NASCAR,
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people are going to notice, you're going to meet people and
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you'll be able to get that that job that's 100% NASCAR or 100%
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Motorsports later on and you're going to be so much, probably so
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much better at it. So that's my and.
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And the other thing I'd say is do things that make you
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uncomfortable, put yourself in positions.
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You know if you're like, man I don't know if I can do that.
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Well the only way no is if is to try and if.
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If you can do that with. That's right.
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Well, I mean look as as I know I did some pit reporting for an
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arc erase earlier this year and I'd never done that before.
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And you know I had always tell people, hey put yourself in a
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comfortable position and when I saw we had an opening, I was
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like well, I'm going to put myself in an uncomfortable
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position and and you know and just to grow and just to see.
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What what I could do, and I think that's that's The thing is
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you've got it because whatever you do, you're always whatever
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job you're going to have. You're going to get put in
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uncomfortable positions and you're going to maybe something
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that you didn't expect or something.
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You're going to be given an assignment that you really don't
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know much about how to manage it.
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But if you've at least been in that position before, you're
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used to having to either learn on the fly or go with the flow
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or. Reach out and and find things
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out and and. That type of experience is
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invaluable. So when I made it to the NASCAR
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Cup Series, that was it for me there.
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There was nothing bigger. I was where I wanted to be.
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Can you go any higher in your profession or are you where you
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want to be right? Now, well, you know.
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I mean where I was before I mean and like that I mean.
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I mean when you're a sports journalist that has been the
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place, right. I mean that's nothing against
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where I'm at now. Right.
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The the worldwide leader. Right.
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And so when when they tell you they don't want you anymore or
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might not want you anymore you know that's that's that's right.
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That's not the the the greatest feeling.
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You know, I. You know I certainly content and
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and and you know who knows what what's what's down the road who
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knows what's what the next thing's going to be.
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But you know so I never say well like I've I've reached the the
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pinnacle. I mean you there there's more
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people to reach and more people to touch and more people to you
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know as far as with content and. So you know, who knows, who
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knows what, what's out there. So, but I mean you talk about me
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being popular and I think what what what's a great thing about
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that is that I got into this to be able to help people
24:38
understand the sport and whether they enjoy it.
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And quite frankly, and my bosses here will hate me say this, like
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if they read what I write and say they want to go watch a
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basketball game, well. I mean that's the the basketball
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writer I hope is writing something and they'll be like
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maybe I'll go watch a race right.
24:54
You know so but you've done your job you've you've you've helped
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influence what they're going to do.
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And so when people want you know when so many people come up to
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you at the racetrack and you know say that they you know they
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follow you and and everything and and want to say hello like
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that's. I mean, that's just that that's
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awesome because that's that's why I'm that's why I'm doing it.
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You know, I I I mean, I love you, Kenny, but I'm not doing it
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so that I can talk to Kenny Wallace.
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I'm doing it because I want the Kenny Wallace fans to know what
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Kenny Wallace is all about. Same here.
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That's why I have you on Kenny conversation.
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So, Bob, listen, thank you so much for telling us your story
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and let's end it like this. I've asked Kevin Harvick, Tony
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Stewart, Rusty Wallace, Mark Martin, we, we've had them all
25:43
on here and I'm going to end the same way with you because I
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think it takes us all, you know, he takes the race car driver,
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takes the journalism. So I'm going to ask you the same
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thing. I asked them four questions for
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your opinion on the state of NASCAR right now.
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I think. It's I feel like it's on the
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upswing. I feel like it's it's creating
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some new fan bases. The challenges, if you ask me to
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predict where the car industry is going to be in five or ten
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years, that's hard to predict. So how am I supposed to know
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where the auto racing industry is going to go right like that.
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It's it's you answered the sport right there.
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Don't know where we're going yet.
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Yeah, but I will say this, I still think that the, the, the
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biggest challenge is. Especially now the biggest
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challenge is getting people to have to have passion for the
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drivers, because in the past you used to go Talladega.
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And ten years ago, you go to Talladega and you see Calvin and
26:57
Hobbs stickers peeing on a Chevrolet logo or a Ford logo on
27:02
the back of a car. You don't have that anymore.
27:04
You don't have that natural connection to your driver of
27:08
your favorite car manufacturer. And you don't have the Bush
27:11
series going to like South Boston and that that driver
27:14
champ getting a ride and then building their way up.
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And so that you know you don't have these track champions.
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Who are now racing on Sundays, who people can feel connection
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to through their local communities.
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So I think that to me, that's the biggest challenge for NASCAR
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going forward. So I'm going to skip #2 and #3.
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OK, No, right there. See there.
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It says the sport is too corporate.
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OK, so you. But you just brought it up.
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So I'm going to skip two and three.
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We're going to go back to the next Gen. and penalties.
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The sport is too corporate. We all know that, and it's
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because the sponsors don't want their drivers saying anything
27:53
wrong to dilute their sales. Don't say nothing wrong because
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then we only get 50% of the people to buy our product.
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So you're a journalist. Did you like it better when
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Rusty threw the water bottle at, you know, Dale Senior?
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Did you like it better when Dale Junior got fined for saying
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SHIT? What is your opinion?
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Are we too cleaned up? Is that why we don't have the
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decals of you know and and the drama?
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I mean, it was fun, more fun back then.
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What's your opinion? Well, I mean my, my opinion is
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that the sponsors still have way too much influence, but they pay
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for that influence, right? And so the the, the, the, the.
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The way to fix that is to make is to make it so that the teams
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are less dependent on sponsorship.
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Right. And and is and if there can be
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if they can figure out the model and figure out this charter
28:50
system to a point where the teams are less reliant on
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sponsorship. They A potentially can get make
28:59
more decisions based on talent rather than sponsors that a
29:03
driver is bringing. And B potentially let them be a
29:07
little bit more themselves. Yeah well there there's no
29:09
doubt. We definitely on purpose dumbed
29:12
the drivers down. That's why I like Denny Hamlin.
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I like actions detrimental. I think although it makes the
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NASCAR wiggle a little bit uncomfortable.
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It's like you said you you got to go outside your comfort zone
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and Dale Junior hired Denny Hamlin and I think it's really
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good for the sport. So let's go back.
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We're coming down to the last two.
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What is your opinion on the next Gen. car, the new car?
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I I'm mixed I I like the fact that a track house and and a
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colleague can come in and and win some races begins probably
29:53
because of the parody that the new car brings.
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I'm not a the the the challenge has been last year on the safety
30:02
side and currently still on the short track side, the
30:06
advancement. On the car, because NASCAR runs,
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it all is it takes too long. They're not very nimble in that,
30:15
being able to make changes because a you only have a single
30:19
supplier parts, but B the teams are not working on stuff you
30:22
know burnt up again. Yeah, so and and.
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And So what happens now in NASCAR, NASCAR and the and that
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team kind of talk and and maybe try to figure out a fix.
30:35
But in the past what would happen is that every team would
30:38
be calling Sten Houses, would be calling Mike Kelly over at JTG
30:44
and they'd all be trying to think of answers and trying to
30:47
work on answers because they can figure out they can make their
30:50
own parts and pieces to improve it.
30:53
And obviously in this news era they they they can't.
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They can't. They're not going to make a new
30:58
piece that they can't that you know, because NASCAR's in charge
31:02
of all the manufacturing and and and all the designs of it.
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So I think that's to me that's the biggest, that's the biggest
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challenge I understand and and I agree with you 100%.
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So the last one, what 3-4 months ago Hendrick received, you know,
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with all the teams combined, I believe it was the largest
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penalty in NASCAR history combined like $400,000.
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What What is your opinion on the incredible fines, the tech
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inspection, the way they're governing of the car?
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Well, I mean I think the fines have to be big in this because
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of the the nature of this car and I think.
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Well, I think it's been best is that after that they've they've.
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Now started showing us the parts and pieces like, right.
32:04
Like last weekend they showed us the photo of Kevin Harvick's
32:09
windshield and then they showed us the part and the piece and
32:12
how you know and how like difficult it would be for it to
32:17
come loose, you know, during during a race and so.
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And certainly that's their side of it.
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But at least we're, you know they showed us the Austin Dillon
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piece that that got them in trouble.
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They showed us the SHR spoiler that that got them in trouble.
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So at least they're now I I like the fact that they're at least
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showing us what's wrong and explaining to us what's wrong so
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that they're so that those types of fines you you can helps fans.
32:50
Make it at least a little bit more educated determination on
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whether those fines are just or not right.
32:56
I agree. Well, Bob, listen, you were
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incredible. You haven't.
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You've had an incredible journey.
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I'm sure your journey's not over.
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But listen up everybody. We are in podcast form now and
33:10
but we sure are showing up. We're on Spotify, iTunes.
33:14
You can listen to Bob Potcras on the way to work and on the way
33:18
home you can split it up. Bob, thank you so much, buddy.
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And what do we got? Four more races to go.
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Four more. It'll be exciting.
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Thank you so much for being on Kenny conversation.
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Thanks. For having me, Kenny.
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Appreciate it.