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#343 - For Azeroth!: “Coms from gamescom” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  Yeah, the news delivery from Gamescom has been a massive
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  casserole of nonsense. It's been so scattered and
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  difficult to track things down. There's live footage like
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  fireside chats on stage that just don't exist anymore.
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  They were live streamed and the Vods are gone and you can't find
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  them. It's just wild.
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  I don't understand. Maybe.
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  Anyway, I was going to say something snarky about layoffs.
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  I'm not going to do that. It's just been very difficult to
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  get news from games.com For Lauderon.
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  For the Karen tour. For Pandaria.
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  For calendar to. The burning region for Gilnaeus,
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  but has not died for the Lich King, for the Cindori.
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  For the Alliance for. The Horn for Azeroth.
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  Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth.
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  I am one of your hosts, Manny, AKA the true villain.
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  Manny and I am joined by both Lex and Sean.
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  Hello Lex, how are you and how's the World of Warcraft been
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  treating you this week? It has been treating me well.
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  So we are diving into heroic with my raid team tomorrow.
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  So I'm very, very excited and I'm doing some keys, pretty low
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  level keys, but I am getting kind of my feet wet back in
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  tanking. And I'm realizing that I have a
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  lot more fun when I take things very slowly and I stay kind of
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  low and mostly focus on having a good time and not stressing out
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  too much. So I'm having a great time And
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  also, you know, I get the the new sport of trying to read fast
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  enough that I can get all of the midnight information.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, it has been a pretty crazy week in terms of
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  like not only the amount of info but all the different places it
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  has been coming from. So we are going to be giving you
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  a recap of some of the stuff. But even still, we can't do it
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  justice if we try and cover it all in this one episode.
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  So bringing in from the expert analysis of race World First, we
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  have Sean. Hello Sean, and welcome back to
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  Regular Life. Hey Manny, did you know that
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  there's a world outside of my office?
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  Yeah, you want to get it first, that's what the race.
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  Yeah, whole. World out there, Yeah, it's good
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  to be back. Race the world first 12 days.
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  I had the second most casting hours, I think for Team Method
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  in that 12 days. It was a lot, lot of talking
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  about Warcraft and the same bosses over and over again.
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  But we had fun and the race is over now.
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  Probably the most exciting race I've ever seen.
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  And the ending was like storybook ending.
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  It was crazy. Disney hasn't been couldn't
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  write a movie this good. Yeah, they honestly, let's talk
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  about that because that was basically a photo finished.
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  John, tell us what in the world happened with the last day of
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  race, the world first? Yeah, so it was Saturday in
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  North America and EU and Liquid was on the last boss, Echo was
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  on the last boss, and Method was on the last boss.
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  Liquid and Echo had both had sub 20% best, Method had a sub 35%
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  best bowl. Echo woke up that morning first
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  because you get to get up first and they started blasting and
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  they very quickly had a sub 5% wipe.
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  And then it was like everybody across the globe was like, this
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  boss is dying today. And it was basically known Echo
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  can't go to bed until his boss attack is going to bed as
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  conceding defeat. Echo woke up, Sorry, Liquid woke
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  up, started doing the same thing.
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  They're blasting. And method was also making
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  really good progress on Saturday.
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  But they were far enough behind. They were just outside of the
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  other two teams that we we didn't expect that they were
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  really competing for first, but that they might be competing for
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  second. So the day is going on and it's
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  it's like literally pull for pull new best for Echo, new best
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  for Liquid, new bad. Like watching the, the the top
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  spot flip back and forth between them and then Liquid hits a bad
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  stretch. So it's around.
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  It would have been around like midnight in the EU.
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  And method goes to bed. Method says, listen, we're not
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  killing this boss tonight. We're going to get up in the
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  morning and maybe try and snake out a pull out a world second
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  kill. Echo says we're not, we can't,
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  we can't go to bed. So liquid hits this bad stretch
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  where they were wiping really really badly not not getting
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  good pulls. In P3 Echo has a sub 1% wipe,
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  .58% wipe, Then the very next poll they have a .31% wipe and
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  they had had one player who was dead for long enough that it
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  would have been the kill liquid. When that finishes, Liquid has
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  back-to-back wipes in P1. It's now like 2:00 AM and EU
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  Echo is still pulling liquid. Like I said, Liquid has
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  back-to-back P1 wipes and then they go on a lunch break and
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  people are like, you're going on a lunch break method and Echo is
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  so close. This is crazy.
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  I can't believe you're going to lunch break.
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  They come back from the lunch break.
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  Sorry, I had that wrong. They won in the lunch break,
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  came back from the lunch break, had the 2 back-to-back P1 wipes,
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  and then after that, the very next pull, they killed the boss.
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  It's like it's like 2:00 AM, just about 2:00 AM in in in in
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  Europe, Echo suddenly just drained.
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  They had been fighting so hard to the end.
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  Liquid pulls with the wind, but it's not just a win, it's a 3
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  peat. So it's back-to-back to back in
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  Warcraft that hasn't been done in a very long time and it's the
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  first ever full sweep of an expansion.
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  Liquid took world first in all three of the raid tears is
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  expansion the only so an asterisk on that in mist of
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  Pandaria that paragon did take world first for all of the 10
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  man raids. So that was technically the
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  first sweep, but those those weren't widely considered The
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  the, the, you know that the top. Is 25 was the higher, yeah.
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  So anyway, super exciting. Echo stayed up to try and get
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  the kill afterwards for about another hour.
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  They couldn't. They went to bed, they woke up
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  the next morning and when they woke up, Method was getting sub
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  10% pulls. So now was a race for 2nd place.
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  Echo did secure the 2nd place finish a couple of hours after
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  they woke up on Sunday and then Method just a couple of hours
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  later from them. So it's very exciting stuff that
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  all three guilds killed it within 24 hours of each other,
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  like within 12 hours of each other.
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  And what I find really interesting is that time frame
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  is about the time that North America had from the head start,
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  from starting a day early. Now, if you ask Skype or Max or
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  SCO or any of the people that are in in the actual race at the
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  top, any of the Raiders, they're going to tell you the North
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  America early start doesn't affect the race.
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  If a boss takes some more poles, if it's a longer boss, if it's
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  tougher, that stuff balances out.
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  The the the head start isn't a big impact, but I don't know any
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  competition on the planet we're having a head start doesn't have
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  an impact. So I don't know, I desperately
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  want to see a global release for the race to roll first because I
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  just feel like these teams are all so incredibly close and the
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  EU teams are perpetually having to play from behind.
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  What do you think, Lex? What do I think?
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  I have never actually watched. No, for like a a global release,
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  like would you think that a global release would would be a
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  difference maker or are you like saying well, it's go, it's go
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  and the head guys say it then? I so my OK, again, I've not
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  watched the race world first, so I am parroting what other people
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  say to me. What I've heard a lot is that
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  the flip side of that is that the people who run the bosses
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  first have to spend all of this time learning it versus if you
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  come in for 24 hours early, the early ones you can just kind of
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  wipe out, right? Because you're like, Oh yeah,
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  whatever, sick. We know this.
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  We learned the Strat because we saw what the other teams were
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  doing. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
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  We're moving forward. We're going through it and I
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  say, I mean like also, I, I guess my again, my understanding
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  is that like things like sleep schedules do kind of make it go
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  back together. That said, I think we should
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  have a global release. I don't know that it would
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  change anything. I literally and again, I want to
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  I want to asterisk because as you're going into the discord
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  and you're typing blacks, you idiot or Sean, you're idiot.
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  I'm pro global release. I think that it's it's silly
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  that they don't release at the same time.
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  I do think it's we were talking, I think it was last episode
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  about how that puts a huge disadvantage on the China.
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  China, yeah, I was trying to remember if that was what the
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  region was called. But so I, I I think that it
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  should be a global release. I really don't understand why
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  it's not other than like, so you only release like you put one
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  day. I think that's silly.
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  I think you it's it's a server. You flip a switch, have all of
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  your teams globally flip a switch at the same time.
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  That doesn't seem hard to me because I also know coding and I
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  understand how servers work. All of these are things that I
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  really deeply understand. So yeah, it's it's easy.
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  Just whoop, you're done. They have them for classic.
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  Classic Wow has global releases of the right, so.
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  Yeah, I I mean. Technology doesn't exist.
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  Yeah, yeah, I, I, I think it should be global.
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  I think it's silly. And The thing is that if it
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  doesn't make a difference, then like people will stop
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  complaining about it. No offense shot.
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  So I am not an engineer, but having a having the servers of
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  classic go live at the same time, which is a which is
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  predominantly code that has been around for a significant period
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  of time and has had way longer to work through issues is
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  different than pushing pushing the latest codes that they do
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  for untested bosses and so forth on to on to live servers.
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  That said, I think the closest analog would be Final Fantasy,
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  which we brought up the last time and we have since learned
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  that Final Fantasy goes down for a couple of days when they move
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  into different patches. So if you guys are fine with
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  that so that they make sure that everything is far more stable,
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  have the time to test it before things go live.
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  I think that yeah, like as long as people don't start going like
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  Blizzard, the servers have been down for more than a day.
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  Give me a month free. I think that that would be OK.
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  I've obviously the issue for it would be like, what time does it
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  go live? Are we doing it in the middle of
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  the work day for EU or NA or what time does that work out to
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  Australia or if they do it in the the Chinese, Chinese servers
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  as well, Chinese servers being completely separate from like
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  Korean servers and Southeast Asian the servers which is a
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  different region of the of itself.
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  All of those are are things that it could be done.
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  I just think that it is a matter of like how officially they're
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  supporting the race to world first, because there's always
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  going to be the question of advantage.
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  There's always going to be where Lex, you were saying like, oh,
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  these earlier bosses, they're often like cripping off each
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  other's notes. And it's not until they go dark
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  that like really it is like their, their, their progress.
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  There's also the fact that like some of the teams that get to
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  bosses first are doing the quote UN quote NA testing where
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  there's a question of like, when do you push the hot fix?
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  Are you waiting for echo to conclude it's rate day method to
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  conclude it's rate day liquid to conclude their array day or go
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  on lunch break to then push these hot fixes?
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  Because that's the next hurdle there as well.
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  So when exactly the the servers go live, when exactly the raid
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  opens up or, or different questions as well as these hot
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  fixes as well as all the different systems that people
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  use the farm gear to go into these things.
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  Because like let's say the servers go live independently of
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  the raid going live. Both of those are now a factor
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  as well, so it's definitely a more complicated question.
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  Even if you don't take the technical ability of putting a
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  server worldwide. Servers live synchronous at the
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  synchronous times, with the same bug fixing of the team that
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  first takes down any servers, then works on EU servers, then
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  we're then it's a different team for Chinese service as far as
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  I'm aware. One thing I will say with the
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  Final Fantasy, first of all, I, I do think would actually kind
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  of cool if servers were down for a couple days before release.
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  Like you had like kind of this blackout and then all of a
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  sudden it goes live and you all go live together and everyone's
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  excited and social media is blowing up and it's the coolest
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  thing that's ever happened. I think that be cool.
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  That said, as somebody who doesn't play Final Fantasy a
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  ton, the one thing that I've learned very, very deeply in my
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  time of playing Final Fantasy is that the Final Fantasy team does
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  not care about player experience.
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  By which I mean like all of the little quality of life things.
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  The fact that the Blizzard store is easy to navigate if you've
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  never navigated the Final Fantasy Mughal store.
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  Every time I've had to buy something there, I've wanted to
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  throw my computer out the window.
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  And then once when I was getting an expansion, literally like it
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  wasn't, I didn't remember that I purchased on Steam instead of
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  purchase directly through Final Fantasy.
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  And so I bought the wrong code, which is insane.
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  And I emailed their team and I was like hey I bought the wrong
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  code can you guys just like refund it so I can buy the other
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  one? It's unused.
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  And they were like no buy 2 little things like that.
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  I just, I'm not surprised. The Final Fantasy's team is
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  like, oh, it would be much easier for us if we just shut
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  down servers for a couple days. So we're going to shut down
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  servers for a couple days, which is like, good for them.
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  They deserve a good time. That's my little Final Fantasy
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  right now. OK.
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  I get. I think I'll give Sean the last
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  word on this and then maybe we'll talk a little bit more
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  about midnight stuff. Yeah.
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  I mean, I don't really have a last word.
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  I don't I don't buy that it's a logistical issue.
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  They do expansion launches globally even though the code is
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  older for a classic. Like of those rains still going
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  live at the same time. Seasonal discovery rains went
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  live at the same time. They're not old, they're new.
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  Yeah, it's a choice they make. It's not it's not due to
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  limitations, I don't think. Yeah, all of that stuff goes
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  live at the same time. And the only if and they don't
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  have to worry about China because Blizzard doesn't
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  actually do the China stuff. It's all net ease.
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  And there's actually some talk of China after this race moving
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  their reset day ahead of day to Wednesday, which would be
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  Tuesday here, so that they are on the same schedule so that
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  they have a more fair shot because right now they currently
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  reset on Thursday. I was going to say, that's super
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  funny because isn't Nettie's the one that's running the whole
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  bounty? And like, they could just be
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  like, Oh yeah, the bounty's getting so big, you guys.
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  It's so sad that. You just can't.
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  Compete. Oh, shoot, yeah, it's pretty
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  funny stuff. We'll see though.
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  What happens. I mean, like I said, the the
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  people actually doing the race, you know, every sound bite you
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  get of them is them saying it doesn't matter.
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  But if I just lost a race, I wouldn't want to sound like a
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  bad loser. And if I just want to race
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  because of head start, I also wouldn't want to sound like I
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  won the race because of head start.
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  So I would also probably say it doesn't matter.
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  OK, but it's a head start no matter how you look at.
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  But like the EU teams that have won in the past, we have seen
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  multiple wins from Echo, which is the newest team method.
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  Back in their day, we're getting getting wins that even when they
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  won there weren't like, hey, we did it Despite that, like 16
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  hours head start, yada yada. Yeah, well, no, they just played
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  so much better than the North American teams.
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  Your European players, your Europe has a larger player base
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  and just therefore, because of that, they have a larger pool of
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  skilled players to pull from. So that's why and North America
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  just didn't have any competition until liquid really came along.
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  I guess death and taxes was pretty good back in like, oh, if
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  you go back way way. But since we're I'm I'm talking
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  like in the modern day of the race, since it was started,
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  started being streamed in in old year and I'm certain there's a
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  BDGG fan listening who will come in and type BDGG, but they never
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  really had a chance to compete against method at what time.
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  Day is like pieces. Or does that kill a part of it?
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  Yeah, pieces would be in there and they pieces won a world
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  first on who not so they got on, but they're a European as well.
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  And yeah, I mean for being honest, like 40% of Team Liquid
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  played from the Netherlands because they're all European
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  also. So I'm not I'm not standing
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  North American players. I'm just saying there is a large
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  pool of exceptionally skilled European players and they're all
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  time zones are closer, so it's easier for them to sync up.
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  Whereas North American players, you're on East Coast, you're in
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  Central, you're on West Coast. It's harder to amalgamate those
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  great, great players in A1 Guild.
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  Liquid has done a really good job of recruiting and putting
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  your team together. They absolutely deserve the win.
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  I'm not trying to take that away from them, but I think even they
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  would want to see, you know, a race happen at the same time.
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  And just to address the, you know, the Oh well, they copy
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  strats. Every one of those guilds
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  already has their strats from the PTR.
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  I interviewed Mary's a couple of months ago, maybe a year ago
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  now. And I asked him flat out like,
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  how much do you copy? And he said, we already have our
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  strats for these bosses before you pull them.
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  We will see what the other teams do.
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  And if something like is exceptionally good, they'll
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  they'll lift it. And that happened.
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  This race method went on on forge.
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  Weaver method had a a Strat that used rooting of the.
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  They would root one set of the small ads and both the other
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  team and they got there later and when the other team saw what
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  they were doing afterwards, they started copying it.
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  Mary said like he was like, it's we're not It's like, you know,
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  some of the fans are like, oh, they don't even know.
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  They wait till liquid tells them what to do is we're not going in
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  there with no plan to take notes on liquid.
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  They already and these early bosses, they already they've
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  already killed them on PTR. So they already have strats that
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  work. It's the later bosses and then
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  there's not usually an advantage because whoever gets their first
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  goes dark, who like every whatever team gets their first
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  goes dark. So yeah, I don't think I was.
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  Saying mostly it's like it's breakthroughs.
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  It's like, Oh my goodness, they did this switch and suddenly
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  like they're getting to phase three-way later.
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  And then the other teams are like, OK, like we adopt that.
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  I don't think that, yeah, any of these teams are going in blind
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  or, or saying like, guys don't look at the Dojo, like we're not
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  going to look at the dungeon journal to do it.
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  So there, there's that. But.
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  I have a hard time talking to North Americans about it because
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  I find I just have a hard time talking to North Americans
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  sometimes. It's just a different cultural
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  mentality on this side of the Atlantic than there is in
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  Europe. I find Lex is either frozen or
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  or abhorred that I Oh Billy, it looks like she's.
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  Tired of your North American smack?
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  And she decided. And I'm North American, proudly
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  Canadian. I just.
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  I don't know. Yeah, you're so Far East coast
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  you might get adopted by. Is that an option?
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  Could I get an EU membership by being Will?
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  Allow people to to vote on that in the Discord.
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  But while we're waiting for Lex, let's dive into some of this
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  midnight stuff. We again have a lot of
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  information go coming out. So we're going to only cover
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  some of the details this week. We will follow up and do and
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  talk about some of the some of the other things.
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  One of the the things that got fleshed out a lot more after
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  last episode. We're actually like how you can
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  play the new races and the new combinations and of course the
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  new class. So let's talk about that.
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  One of the big things, of course, is the hair in our race.
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  That is something that ever since The War Within began,
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  there has been a lot of people saying like, Oh yeah, next
• 20:59
  playable. This is the playable race, why
• 21:01
  don't we have it already? And Blizzard has now delivered.
• 21:05
  So these are going to be much like our Earthen friends where
• 21:10
  we will play through the campaign and that will unlock
• 21:13
  them because they were going to their homeland and we have to
• 21:20
  convince them to join the war. And of course, once you get to
• 21:22
  do that, hey, they're willing to sign up with our faction.
• 21:25
  So there it is. As we said last week, they are
• 21:29
  able to be warriors, shamans, hunters, monks, rogues, druids,
• 21:35
  priests, warlocks, and mages. That means that the only classes
• 21:39
  that they are missing, of course, are death Knights,
• 21:42
  paladins, evokers and demon hunters, which all sort of makes
• 21:48
  sense. I actually, I know monks, one of
• 21:50
  those Evergreen classes that everybody gets, but I think they
• 21:54
  could have skipped monk and it would have been a thing.
• 21:56
  Like. I think that would have been
• 21:57
  like a That's cool. Yeah.
• 22:00
  Because Heronar and this entire world saga is being built out, a
• 22:07
  lot of the customizations are actually in the files for the
• 22:11
  war within and some community sites have like dug into that to
• 22:16
  show customizations to show what could be heritage armour and all
• 22:20
  of that. This is a these are pretty cool
• 22:23
  customizations. They are of course, the what are
• 22:27
  we calling them? The missing link between trolls
• 22:30
  and and else. Yeah, I guess so.
• 22:34
  They're not quite troll, not quite elf.
• 22:38
  They can have tusks, but they also wear shoes.
• 22:42
  But I think they have the option to not wear shoes as well.
• 22:45
  So yeah, they're like, yeah, a hybrid.
• 22:50
  Yeah, they can be just like the Urban Horde or Alliance.
• 22:54
  So you can. So regardless of your faction,
• 22:56
  you'll be able to play these. That's something that's going to
• 23:00
  be good before we get here in our before we even get into
• 23:03
  midnight Void Elf Demon hunters are going to be available.
• 23:08
  Supposedly with patch 11 point 2.7 you'll be able to unlock
• 23:14
  them now. It said that it's available
• 23:17
  there, but we also saw an interview that said that it is
• 23:20
  during the pre patch, which would be the 12 point O.
• 23:23
  I'm more likely to believe pre patch but if they get it to us
• 23:26
  sooner I'd be happier for that. Me as well, I just want to go
• 23:29
  back to Heron here for a second. We because we got confirmation
• 23:32
  on what their ratios are. There was only one person in an
• 23:36
  interview that asked all of the interviews they had with the
• 23:38
  developers. A single person asked what the
• 23:41
  ratios were. They have one that is an active
• 23:43
  ability that will either root enemies or it will heal allies.
• 23:48
  So it's a root or heel. And then they also get a fast
• 23:51
  travel using the world tree roots.
• 23:54
  So very similar to the mole machines from dark iron dwarves.
• 23:58
  So those are two of their their ratios that are coming which the
• 24:02
  rooting and like the the extra root and the heel could be
• 24:06
  really nice, especially since they can be druids.
• 24:08
  I'm not super keen on the fast travel because those tend to be
• 24:12
  gimmicky things that they add on one expansion for a couple of
• 24:16
  zones and then get fallen off to the wayside.
• 24:18
  Much like mole machines, which in my opinion should have had
• 24:21
  some spots in Undermine or Beeps or anywhere underground, you
• 24:26
  know. But yeah, I think I want to know
• 24:30
  land. There is a mole machine in Ole
• 24:32
  land. I don't know how that works
• 24:34
  contextually. But OK.
• 24:37
  Yeah, exactly. The wonderful thing is those
• 24:41
  mole machines. I just wanted to go make sure we
• 24:44
  covered that off on Arity. Yeah, no, I'm glad I I missed
• 24:47
  that. And again, there's a lot of
• 24:50
  information that is out there. I, I always don't think that the
• 24:56
  healing racials will ever be that good because they always
• 25:01
  water them down so that they're never good.
• 25:04
  The change that they did with the Drni healing, just in my
• 25:11
  mind, that was a nail in the coffin.
• 25:12
  Just give me like a little bit of damage.
• 25:15
  I guess the utility of the roots is it might be something, but
• 25:18
  how often does that matter in a raid?
• 25:21
  So I'm basically looking at that for Mythic Plus.
• 25:26
  Yeah, OK. But as you said, going back to
• 25:30
  demon Demon Hunter, the void elf that's going to be available as
• 25:36
  a short storyline that you'll be able to do so that will allow
• 25:42
  you access to demon hunters as a void elf.
• 25:44
  The new spec are devourer spec that's going to be available
• 25:50
  without a storyline. If you are a Demon Hunter
• 25:54
  already, you don't have to suddenly be like, OK, now I've
• 25:56
  got to learn this new thing. And that is looking pretty,
• 26:01
  pretty cool. Like have you seen the little
• 26:05
  video where they did a short showing is showing these
• 26:08
  abilities? Yeah, yeah, I have.
• 26:14
  I think it'll be neat. I guess it's a new spec, so it's
• 26:17
  going to be broken and overpowered.
• 26:21
  Will it be fun? Well, everybody likes when their
• 26:23
  damage numbers are high. Just ask the right paladins.
• 26:25
  So yeah, I don't know. It doesn't speak to me.
• 26:30
  I'm I'm intermediate ranged spellcaster doesn't really speak
• 26:36
  to me. I I'm interested because again,
• 26:43
  this is something that we had speculated oh, what happens when
• 26:46
  they add in a new spec? Now we know they have broken
• 26:53
  apart the hero talents so we have Vengeance which will no
• 27:00
  longer have access to Felsgard. Felsgard is now actually shared
• 27:04
  between Havoc and the the new spec Devourer and has been
• 27:09
  renamed Scarred because Devourers don't use Fel.
• 27:13
  So now it is Scarred and then Devourer will share a new talent
• 27:19
  hero talentry called Annihilator with vengeance Demon Hunter and
• 27:25
  vengeance Demon Hunter and devourer.
• 27:29
  This new annihilator speck is themed around bringing down
• 27:33
  meteors or comments on a down onto your enemies.
• 27:37
  And that I think seems really cool for vengeance and I and I
• 27:43
  guess for devourer, I get I'm kind of with you that this
• 27:46
  devour spec isn't really speaking to me, but like I do
• 27:51
  love vengeance and I do think that vengeance bringing down
• 27:55
  like an entire meteor down upon like a bunch of people seems
• 27:59
  really cool to me. So I'm happy about that.
• 28:03
  But for people asking, like in chat multi is asking the horde.
• 28:10
  The Horde is not getting another race that will have access to
• 28:15
  Demon Hunter. Right now it is just Void Elves
• 28:19
  that are getting access to it. But they did say something
• 28:23
  interesting and I, Lex, I'm going to let you jump in and
• 28:25
  talk about this. I'm back just for this.
• 28:28
  Yeah. So in the interview they said
• 28:30
  something like, now I know it feels like the Horde is off
• 28:32
  balance here, but it's not the end of the trilogy.
• 28:36
  Don't worry you guys, there's more world soul.
• 28:39
  We'll be equalling it out. So it does seem like there's
• 28:41
  something exciting in the pipeline.
• 28:44
  Yeah, I don't actually, I heard that quote.
• 28:46
  I don't think that means they're getting another race for Demon
• 28:50
  Hunters. I think it means that they're
• 28:51
  getting another race class combo other than, you know, troll
• 28:57
  Demon Hunters. So that's yeah, yeah, I don't
• 29:01
  know, because people, a lot of people were pointing at night
• 29:03
  born, like, oh, just give them Night born.
• 29:05
  That makes sense. They're just like night dolls.
• 29:06
  I was like, well, no. Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree
• 29:13
  with that. I do think it's strange because
• 29:17
  a lot of the most restrictive classes they've opened up, like
• 29:21
  Death Knights are basically every class except for the
• 29:26
  latest 2 that they've added, right?
• 29:30
  Shamans have been opened up pretty well because every time
• 29:32
  they add in a new race, they're allowed to be a shaman.
• 29:36
  Does this mean we're looking at like or paladins or something
• 29:40
  along those lines, which would be strange, but like I'm, I'm
• 29:45
  thinking about like what are the more restrictive classes that
• 29:50
  have the least amount of races that can do it?
• 29:54
  And I I honestly think that it is something along the lines of
• 29:59
  Paladin at this point. Yeah, it's got to be I think.
• 30:03
  I think it has to be Paladin. Seen undead paladins as an
• 30:06
  option. I think that would be cool.
• 30:09
  I feel like especially after watching the trailer and seeing
• 30:12
  what we're being told is the army of the light that has fully
• 30:18
  expunged itself of all non human members, non human male members.
• 30:28
  OK, yeah. I feel like that we're heading
• 30:30
  towards, you know. We're going to be getting a
• 30:32
  place. The Army, the lights.
• 30:34
  Go to a dark place. It makes me so angry, like, oh,
• 30:37
  it's there. It's clearly they're on the end
• 30:39
  of the light. Like what?
• 30:42
  Not a single hoof. Not a single hoof in this group.
• 30:47
  Yeah, it was disturbing, and it's something that maybe we
• 30:51
  could talk about more in a lore episode.
• 30:54
  But like, I do think that there are reasons for it.
• 30:58
  I don't think it was just like they're like, yeah, or you're
• 31:01
  like we'll just do a bunch of armor clad men and let's leave
• 31:05
  it at that. We but we will come back to that
• 31:08
  because I do think that it is odd that there was like not much
• 31:11
  of a female presence. Anywho, there's of course a lot
• 31:18
  coming for different races and stuff that isn't like
• 31:20
  headlining. They talked about trolls getting
• 31:23
  new hairstyles and stuff because they're putting that stuff into
• 31:26
  the Amani. They didn't say if that is just
• 31:30
  the dark spare OG trolls or if that also includes the
• 31:33
  Zandalari. Those kind of customizations do
• 31:37
  come in quite quickly. We just saw new elves and like
• 31:40
  some customizations going to I believe not just OG humans but
• 31:45
  also the I was sorry they. Called Kieran with the point of
• 31:50
  years. Yeah, yeah.
• 31:52
  Right. So they can do some stuff like
• 31:54
  that. Maybe they like adjust elf eyes
• 31:57
  to to like be closer to the cinematic.
• 32:00
  But you know, I don't want to cause a fight out here.
• 32:05
  That's his eyes glowing more. I'm so sorry, I'm sorry.
• 32:09
  Why is your hand line so high as to the person anyway?
• 32:14
  Yeah, I just, I just want to strong draw a line, that's all.
• 32:18
  Let's go over to the talents so. I hate men anyway.
• 32:28
  We need a. Social We need a social
• 32:31
  commentary podcast along with this podcast.
• 32:34
  But for now, let's talk about strength of these talents
• 32:38
  because as you're going up to level 90, we're getting another
• 32:42
  10 talents. But that's not all being put
• 32:45
  into one place. These talents are going to be
• 32:47
  split between your class tree, your specialization, and your
• 32:52
  hero talents as well. As you level up, it'll
• 32:56
  alternate, You'll get 3 that go into your class tree by the time
• 33:00
  you hit level 90, another three that will be put into your hero
• 33:04
  tree as you get up to level 90, and another four that will go
• 33:09
  into your specialization for the class tree.
• 33:13
  Those points are just free to use things that would have been
• 33:17
  harder for you to get before. You might have had to given up
• 33:20
  other talents just to path into it or things that like just
• 33:23
  generally were like I, I can't spend the point because I've got
• 33:26
  too many points that are just locked in.
• 33:29
  You're with these just extra points, you're going to have
• 33:31
  less of that. You're going to be more free to
• 33:32
  get more utility and such in that class tree.
• 33:35
  So that's great in the in the hero talents, by the time you
• 33:41
  hit the lady, you had already filled up that talent tree.
• 33:45
  So what's happening now is that they're adding another lane AKA
• 33:48
  column onto that and those three points are going to go right
• 33:52
  there and you're going to have a fully specced out here tree with
• 33:56
  just that much more power. Finally, in that spec tree,
• 34:01
  you're getting 4 points, and those can go pretty much
• 34:05
  anywhere you'd like. But they've added Apex talents,
• 34:09
  and these Apex talents are one per specialization with four
• 34:14
  points that you can put into that into that talent point.
• 34:22
  The first point that you put into there is going to do
• 34:26
  something massive, and the last point that you put into there is
• 34:29
  going to do something impactful. The two points in between from
• 34:33
  the examples that we've been given are something passive, but
• 34:36
  still something strong. So the example of the new
• 34:42
  Devourer, Devourer Demon Hunter, they have a talent called
• 34:47
  midnight as their apex talent. And the first point, it turns
• 34:51
  your finisher collapsing, collapsing star to always
• 34:55
  critical hit. So you'll be guaranteed the
• 34:58
  critical hit, and then the next two points, which are the
• 35:02
  passive stuff, increases your damaged school.
• 35:05
  In the case of Devourers, it's cosmic damage by a percentage
• 35:10
  that increases right as well as causing you to increase your
• 35:17
  crit damage based on your crit percentage.
• 35:20
  So now while you that crit might have been worthless to this
• 35:25
  ability, now it's going to further increase your damage.
• 35:28
  This is similar to I believe warlocks and their chaos fault
• 35:31
  where you're we're at one point the crit, the crit actually just
• 35:36
  increase the damage of your chaos fault.
• 35:39
  And then the final one, when you put all four points in there is
• 35:44
  that when you pop your void meta, you will immediately get
• 35:48
  enough resources to do your Collapsing Star.
• 35:52
  And this is really good because one, you've been putting all
• 35:55
  these points into making Collapsing Star that much
• 35:57
  better. But two, Collapsing Star is an
• 36:00
  ability that the more you do it, the stronger it gets.
• 36:04
  And it's only available in your Demon Hunter form.
• 36:07
  So being able to start that chain immediately is actually
• 36:10
  quite strong for this spec. And so that's what they want.
• 36:14
  They want these talents to be very alluring stuff that you
• 36:18
  really want to put in. And it's unlikely, though it's
• 36:24
  not impossible, that you're going to want to put your points
• 36:27
  anywhere else you. Can though they did make it
• 36:30
  clear that you are allowed to do that.
• 36:32
  You don't have to do the Apex talent and you don't have to put
• 36:35
  more than one point into it. And I'm a little curious how the
• 36:38
  tuning's going to work, if it is going to be so overpoweredly
• 36:40
  strong that everyone's going to put an Apex or if they are going
• 36:44
  to make that a little bit on the table.
• 36:45
  Like, yeah, this one like it's, it's good.
• 36:47
  But you could probably also just get, you know, more things at
• 36:49
  your bottom row and and also get some, I think God.
• 36:53
  I think it's going to be definitely one of those things
• 36:56
  that it is spec by spec. There might be ones where it's
• 37:00
  just like, yeah, it doesn't matter whatever whatever content
• 37:02
  you're doing, this is worth it. There might be ones where it's
• 37:05
  based on the content you're doing.
• 37:06
  It might not be that good in like single target versus AOE
• 37:10
  versus PvP and that sort of stuff.
• 37:12
  And I think that's that's something that you can do for
• 37:17
  whatever specs, like if the collapsing star is purely single
• 37:22
  target ability, which I don't believe it is right, you may not
• 37:26
  want to dump all those points into it for mythic plus, instead
• 37:29
  favoring something that that does better for AOE.
• 37:35
  Kind of looking way further ahead than I should.
• 37:39
  I would love that if in future expansions they just add other
• 37:43
  apex talents where you're like, oh, do I want this one or do I
• 37:46
  want this one? It's kind of become something
• 37:50
  that could conflict with hero talents, but like I I think that
• 37:58
  that's a balancing issue for them.
• 37:59
  Yeah, it's something to be said for the fact that they're
• 38:03
  putting in all these Evergreen features, but there's a risk
• 38:06
  they're going to run into the reason that they weren't always
• 38:08
  putting in Evergreen features, which is that if every expansion
• 38:11
  you put in an every Evergreen power feature, all of a sudden
• 38:16
  you have a lot of power feature. So I'm curious.
• 38:21
  I'm also curious how they're going to balance that overall.
• 38:24
  I wouldn't mind mutual exclusive Apex talents and stuff like
• 38:28
  that, just like give us more options, allow us to go wider
• 38:31
  instead of constantly making it longer and more more you're
• 38:35
  putting in. But yeah, that that is future
• 38:38
  developers problems. Not my issue.
• 38:42
  John, what do you think? I don't know, we're probably 3
• 38:47
  patches away from saying, hey, listen, we heard you.
• 38:49
  We tried the talents, but they're just sort of too deep
• 38:51
  and too varied and too complex. And we're going to simplify it
• 38:54
  down into just specific items that you get at each level.
• 38:57
  And then we'll be looking at like the Legion BFA era class
• 39:02
  leveling as Ji don't know. I, I'm going to, I don't really
• 39:05
  think it will tell us too much. I'm going to go onto a website,
• 39:07
  export the build and import the build and that's going to be it.
• 39:10
  You know what I mean? So it's not like it.
• 39:12
  None of it really matters to me. I don't agonizingly read through
• 39:16
  every single ability and then test them out myself and try
• 39:19
  which ones to see which I install the one that I'm told to
• 39:23
  install. And that's what I play.
• 39:24
  I'll read those talents to make sure that I know I'm playing it
• 39:27
  correctly, but I don't. Yeah, it's, and this will be the
• 39:31
  same. I'm going to play whether my
• 39:32
  Apex talent is good or not means nothing to me.
• 39:34
  I'm going to play what I'm told to play, OK?
• 39:37
  I have very little exploration in me at this point.
• 39:42
  I I mean, I'd love PTR because that's when I can do this most
• 39:46
  where I can be like, oh, let me try this and let me try that.
• 39:49
  I Sean, you've been on the PTR with me when they did the shaman
• 39:52
  re vamp, but I was like, oh, let me try this and let me try this
• 39:56
  with that. I think the class tree allows
• 40:00
  for the most exploration because of.
• 40:04
  The ability, it's like utility and stuff.
• 40:06
  It's like I'm not going to be performing subpar damage because
• 40:11
  I switched around my utility. And so it's funny that just
• 40:16
  having three points in there kind of makes that less of a
• 40:20
  thing because it's more likely I'll be able to grab all of
• 40:22
  them. I won't be making that
• 40:23
  decisions. So I do like that in the
• 40:26
  classroom. I do like that in the classroom
• 40:28
  that you can like, OK, maybe I don't want to take one minute
• 40:31
  sack and instead I want to take double freedom.
• 40:33
  Those things when when the impact isn't going to be will my
• 40:37
  damage and tanking be affected? And it's just will my quality of
• 40:41
  life feel better? Will I feel like I can
• 40:42
  contribute more, do something I wouldn't normally able to do?
• 40:45
  Sometimes I'll even just take a passive so I don't have to take
• 40:47
  an active ability. The debt, my class tree.
• 40:49
  You're supposed to run Soul Reaper and it is damage
• 40:51
  increase, but it's one extra key bind and it's just like, I just
• 40:55
  don't want to. I'm not playing this guy at a
• 40:58
  competitive level. I just don't want to have an
• 41:00
  extra button I have to press and track.
• 41:02
  So I'm just going to take icy talents.
• 41:04
  Leave me alone. Yeah, I do kind of think that
• 41:09
  World of Warcraft has a little bit of a complexity issue.
• 41:13
  I was saying this when we were talking about single button
• 41:15
  rotation. That kind of my take away from
• 41:17
  that is that I think the rotations are just a little too
• 41:19
  complicated and we probably could parse them down pretty
• 41:23
  significantly. And I absolutely feel that way
• 41:25
  about talents. I look at the like, I open up
• 41:27
  the talent trees and I am like, oh, maybe today I'll be creative
• 41:30
  and I'll try to figure out how to do something.
• 41:31
  And within like 2 clicks I'm overwhelmed and I've broke my
• 41:33
  entire tree and I'm having like a mental breakdown and I'm like
• 41:36
  This is why they give me important strings.
• 41:39
  I have not touched a talent tree since we got the import strings.
• 41:42
  It is. It is far too much.
• 41:45
  It's funny. That'd be creative.
• 41:48
  Actually, no, I'm. Like I'll just pull from this
• 41:51
  place over here and then all of a sudden none of my bottom
• 41:54
  talents are accessible and I'm like, OK.
• 41:56
  Yeah. My bad.
• 41:57
  I'm just picturing Monty Python. Let's go to Camelot.
• 42:01
  It's a silly place. Let's not go oh wow, that is
• 42:07
  perfect. Oh, OK, all right, I, I do
• 42:12
  really love what you can shift around your talents.
• 42:15
  It is different for different classes for sure.
• 42:18
  Some some classes they're like bottom row is or like parts of
• 42:24
  the bottom row. It's just oddly not viable and
• 42:28
  Shaman, enhancement shaman is not like that and has not been
• 42:31
  like that for like pretty much all of Dragonflight.
• 42:35
  And I'm really happy about that. I know elemental is really
• 42:38
  loathing part of it. So it is different from spec to
• 42:42
  spec, but being able to like shift those talents and then how
• 42:46
  you play based on like raid council and so forth, I think is
• 42:51
  one of the strengths of Wow. Even if you are just using
• 42:55
  import strings to be like, I'm going to flex this way.
• 42:58
  Being able to be like, oh, no, because I remember before we had
• 43:02
  talents like this level of talents and it would be like,
• 43:07
  oh, we're doing the single fight.
• 43:09
  I need to change specs because this this spec cannot do single
• 43:13
  talent or this spec cannot do AOE, and having the ability to
• 43:17
  flex that at least a little bit to be viable in those situations
• 43:23
  I think is a just like the reason talents are are so good
• 43:28
  right now. That's fair, and I do also feel
• 43:30
  like before this, when I think about it, genuinely, it did feel
• 43:34
  like a lot of patches and expansion, especially there was
• 43:37
  at least one person in the Guild who is like, well, I guess I'm
• 43:40
  rerolling because everything that I love about my spec was
• 43:43
  just taken for me. And I feel like I've heard that
• 43:46
  a lot less now that there is that flexibility in talents.
• 43:49
  So, and I, I guess that is potentially the other argument
• 43:52
  that if the, the, the ideal is that World of Warcraft has the
• 43:56
  ability for complexity and also the ability to be simple, right?
• 43:59
  If you want to play around with your talents and figure out
• 44:01
  exactly how you feel, you do that.
• 44:03
  If not, you go to row head. If you want to figure out your
• 44:08
  entire rotation, get a perfect, you do that.
• 44:10
  If not, you do the single button rotation.
• 44:12
  Like there is that ability to play both.
• 44:16
  Yeah. So I think that there is a funny
• 44:22
  thing about the single button rotation.
• 44:26
  The more you understand the limitations of the single button
• 44:29
  rotation and your talents, the better you can spec your your
• 44:35
  talents to take advantage of the single button rotation and not
• 44:41
  get hit as hard by that penalty. Like if you do a lot more stuff
• 44:45
  that's hard casting, if you do a lot more stuff that avoids that,
• 44:48
  like GCD Incursion, you might actually get better performance
• 44:54
  than somebody who this follows the guide and then does single
• 44:58
  button rotation right. If you're like, I actually, I'm
• 45:03
  going to stop at this haste break point because that's now
• 45:05
  going to start clipping into this or and I'm going to get
• 45:08
  this other stat, you actually would perform better.
• 45:11
  It's a very funny thing when I was talking with a a theory
• 45:17
  crafter, that's like, actually we might start doing a single
• 45:22
  button rotation gearing strategy, which is not something
• 45:28
  I'd ever considered when we were talking about the single button
• 45:31
  rotation. Wait until those builds start
• 45:34
  out performing the non single button rotation builds.
• 45:38
  It's going to be a nightmare. Wait.
• 45:44
  OK, so I'm going to pass this over to you, Lex.
• 45:49
  This is I think something that you have been loving.
• 45:52
  So go ahead. It is outdoor content season,
• 45:56
  babes. We are getting so much exciting
• 45:58
  new stuff, so we are seeing a lot of different ways the the
• 46:03
  goal of the game right now, the philosophy that they're saying
• 46:05
  is they want to provide a lot of different activities for
• 46:07
  different players. The one that I am the most
• 46:10
  excited about, obviously, because I've been talking about
• 46:12
  it very excitedly since we learned about it.
• 46:14
  The last episode is Prey, so we got a little bit more clarity on
• 46:18
  how the Prey system is going to work in general.
• 46:20
  So you go to Murder Row, you talk to the guy who likes to
• 46:23
  torture Naru, whose name I've already forgotten, and he gives
• 46:27
  you a target. They.
• 46:31
  And then the target is in the the different zones, right?
• 46:34
  It's supposed to be unpredictable.
• 46:40
  I I'm going to make a confession and maybe one of you 2 can save
• 46:44
  me. Or maybe this is simply how it
• 46:45
  is. I'm kind of still confused about
• 46:49
  how exactly this is going to work.
• 46:50
  I still don't feel like we've gotten harsh clarity like they
• 46:54
  they're talking about like you're getting ambushed by your
• 46:56
  guy, but then also like you're finding tracks and it seems like
• 47:01
  there's multiple encounters. And I, I personally, when I was
• 47:05
  listening to the interview, I felt like it was remaining a
• 47:08
  little fuzzy. I still honestly, for example, I
• 47:11
  know it's a weekly set. I don't know that I know for
• 47:14
  sure how long it will take. So I go ahead, John.
• 47:19
  The the way that I heard it described from someone who was
• 47:22
  at games.com is similar to the mall.
• 47:26
  When the assassins in the mall would randomly attack you,
• 47:30
  you'll be doing your other daily activities, herbing, fishing,
• 47:36
  world quests, whatever. And then you're going to get
• 47:39
  jumped and it could happen multiple times or will happen
• 47:42
  multiple times. And then the final time is when
• 47:44
  you you get the kill or whatever.
• 47:47
  That's how they described it was that that I don't remember if
• 47:50
  that had a name from the MA, but with the jailer's eye, like this
• 47:53
  was season 1 of of shadow lands. The jailer's eye would like
• 47:57
  randomly send assassins after you to try and take you out if
• 48:00
  your thing was too high. So that's what I think you're
• 48:03
  going to sign up for this thing and you're going to randomly get
• 48:06
  it's going to be like getting PvP ganked, but by an NPC.
• 48:11
  You're out in the world. OK, I think that's one system
• 48:14
  that I didn't really play with a ton, so I think I didn't even
• 48:17
  realize there was that like connection.
• 48:19
  OK, so that actually makes more sense.
• 48:20
  And that makes me feel better that they're not pulling this
• 48:21
  entirely out of thin air. And this is based in.
• 48:25
  Yeah, oh, that was awful in the mall so.
• 48:28
  Yay. Like, yeah, like they, like, it
• 48:32
  could have been really bad if you were, if you were early in
• 48:35
  your gearing experience, if you were already just like surviving
• 48:39
  whatever you were dealing with, and then the assassin jumped to
• 48:42
  you. And I think that's supposed to
• 48:44
  be the tension that they're giving you, especially on the
• 48:45
  higher difficulties. It's like, you better be
• 48:48
  prepared. This is when you pop your
• 48:50
  cooldowns and try and survive and that sort of thing.
• 48:53
  But part of it is that the number of encounters, like how
• 48:59
  exactly these things are going to operate is supposed to be
• 49:03
  something that you don't know immediately.
• 49:06
  At least until like one of these community sites throws out the
• 49:09
  guide and says when you take this one, they will they will
• 49:12
  jump you on a cooldown of X and they will have this.
• 49:17
  So like it is supposed to be something that adds a little bit
• 49:20
  of suspense to your otherwise like general outdoor activities.
• 49:28
  They did say that these enemies can jump you anywhere.
• 49:34
  Remember when we were talking last week?
• 49:36
  I was saying, Oh yeah. Like, so that means that when I
• 49:38
  want to actually do fishing or something, I'll just stay out of
• 49:41
  the area that this guy will jump me in.
• 49:43
  And apparently it that doesn't matter.
• 49:46
  You could be in like the void Storm and suddenly this Almani
• 49:49
  trolls like I've travelled across the Galaxy to get you and
• 49:53
  yeah, you'll just have to reconcile with that.
• 49:56
  It is from what I saw. It is like what Sean said where
• 50:00
  like you'll randomly get this, like, oh, you're, you're dealing
• 50:04
  with me now. And then you'll get them to a
• 50:07
  certain point and they'll run away.
• 50:08
  Think like the Nemesis when you're in a Delve where suddenly
• 50:11
  they'll pop up, they'll fight you for a little bit and then
• 50:13
  they'll they'll run away. So it has been used now
• 50:16
  repeatedly in in World of Warcraft.
• 50:19
  And I think that should be OK. I just don't know what the fail
• 50:29
  state is. Is it like when same thing with
• 50:33
  those where like oh you'll get jumped by the nemesis and
• 50:35
  whether you beat them or or lose you'll still move on to move on
• 50:40
  or is it that like oh you've lost so Nope you got to wait for
• 50:44
  them to ambush them again. You have to beat them X amount
• 50:46
  of times before you can do the final encounter.
• 50:49
  Or do you become the hunter for somebody else?
• 50:52
  When you lose, you get trapped into this contract with Bourne
• 50:56
  Zombie, and now you have to track down somebody else who's
• 50:59
  just doing their fishing. That would be so cool.
• 51:01
  That would have made it for PvP. And for PvP.
• 51:04
  Oh yeah, I don't like PvP. You're right, man.
• 51:05
  Put it in. PvP mode.
• 51:08
  Imagine the person who's your prey just like doesn't log on
• 51:11
  for the week and you're like where did they go?
• 51:13
  From where where did they? Go here, you just stuck in
• 51:15
  purgatory with Bourne Zombie, which wouldn't be so bad.
• 51:18
  I love Bourne Zombie, but you love it.
• 51:21
  OK, yeah, so that's very helpful.
• 51:23
  That makes me feel a lot better that because because it felt
• 51:25
  very nebulous. I was like, is this done?
• 51:28
  Like, do you guys actually know what we're doing?
• 51:31
  But maybe it's just nebulous. Maybe sometimes things are just
• 51:33
  kind of weird. They have told us a lot more
• 51:36
  about the difficulty levels. There's normal, heart and
• 51:38
  Nightmare to answer a question we had in the last episode.
• 51:41
  Normal is public you still it's your prey, so you don't have to
• 51:45
  worry about like other people killing it for like for you
• 51:48
  before you can target it, but other people can help you, they
• 51:53
  can see it and they can assist you on hard a nightmare.
• 51:57
  It's going to be a 1V1 and it also is going to have torments.
• 52:00
  So things that are going to make it more complicated and more
• 52:02
  difficult. And presumably they'll either
• 52:04
  stack or they'll be more difficult a nightmare than in
• 52:06
  hard. So we we got our levels.
• 52:10
  We have. So in the interview they said
• 52:12
  that during games com so we're really getting flash moments.
• 52:18
  They determined that they were going to make prey contribute to
• 52:23
  the world tier row. Yeah, the world tier row of your
• 52:26
  great Vault and it could get you up to heroic.
• 52:29
  So you will be getting gear. My understanding is only through
• 52:33
  vault the way that it was that I understood that interview.
• 52:36
  You're not going to like get gear dropping when you're
• 52:39
  killing the guys, but you you will get gear at the end of the
• 52:43
  week. So there is a power reward, but
• 52:46
  it is primarily cosmetic that you were doing this for.
• 52:50
  And Nightmare is supposed to be like a little bit below the
• 52:55
  final, like the the big final boss delve of every season.
• 53:00
  But it's still supposed to be hard.
• 53:02
  It's supposed to be at like getting close to those levels.
• 53:05
  So it's actually going to be complicated.
• 53:06
  It's going to be fun. It's going to be this harder
• 53:09
  open world content, but you get to choose it as you people don't
• 53:11
  get to complain that it's too difficult because then just
• 53:13
  choose easier. And I'm sure people will find
• 53:17
  things to be unhappy about, but that's OK.
• 53:19
  We're going to have a good time. We're going to pray and we're
• 53:20
  going to kill things. How are you guys feeling about
• 53:24
  this? How is anyone else excited for
• 53:25
  praying? I'm conflicted about the the
• 53:30
  loot. It's just too heroic.
• 53:35
  So like we had a discussion in the discord about how quickly
• 53:39
  we're outgrowing certain rows in the vault, so it's just too
• 53:44
  heroic. So I don't think this will
• 53:46
  bother me past like week two of a of a season as an alternative
• 53:52
  to doing delves. I think that like, you know,
• 53:56
  more variety is always good for people who who want to do that.
• 54:00
  I just question if this is a weekly and like, let's say you
• 54:05
  want to fill out that row, can I do like 3 hunts to fill up the
• 54:09
  three rows? Is it going to be that I have to
• 54:11
  do X amount of hunts? How quickly can I conclude
• 54:14
  hunts? There's there's a lot of
• 54:15
  questions now about like how much of the vault and how
• 54:20
  quickly I can fill up that that vault row with the hunts are.
• 54:24
  And because of the random nature, if it's Monday and I
• 54:28
  pick up a hunt, am I like actually going to be able to do
• 54:32
  it in time? So there's a lot of questions
• 54:35
  when it stops, when it ceases being cosmetic, when it gets
• 54:38
  tied to these sort of schedules that pop up from this.
• 54:41
  And so as soon as they they did this, I was just like, and
• 54:44
  here's the next 20 questions. So yeah, I don't know.
• 54:47
  I don't know. Yeah, my my guess is so first of
• 54:50
  all, just to to again restate, they kind of pulled this
• 54:53
  respectfully out of their butt, right?
• 54:55
  This was something that they even themselves admitted they
• 54:58
  altered course on during games com.
• 55:01
  So they, I think don't know how exactly they're going to put it
• 55:04
  in. I think this was just kind of a
• 55:05
  like conversation. They were like, oh, that's
• 55:07
  actually a really good point. I guess I could contribute to
• 55:09
  the vault. My guess is it's going to be 1
• 55:12
  tick. You get 1 possible chance.
• 55:15
  So you will get one box filled in your great vault.
• 55:20
  If you want more than that one box, you go do delves.
• 55:23
  Because I again, I don't think they really want this to be a
• 55:26
  gearing thing. I think that that's why they're
• 55:29
  choosing not to have gear dropped and it could be wrong.
• 55:31
  I'm not coding it. I don't know anything, but I I
• 55:35
  don't get the vibe that they want this to be a thing where
• 55:37
  you are like this is your weekly gearing.
• 55:40
  I think they want more of oh cute one Victoria.
• 55:44
  I got a QP salute. That's not how I'm going to gear
• 55:46
  for the week, but I feel good about it.
• 55:50
  Can I put you in a hot seat for a second?
• 55:52
  Yeah, totally. OK so if this contributes to
• 55:55
  your vault but you can only do 1, does that then make it the
• 55:59
  equivalent to doing 4 dels for the last slot, or only the first
• 56:03
  slot? And now I have to do 7 dels to
• 56:05
  get to the last slot. I think it's the seven dels.
• 56:08
  I think. I think they want this.
• 56:09
  I could be wrong again, I first of all, I'm confused as we have
• 56:13
  determined. I'm confused about all this
• 56:15
  news. I'm especially confused about
• 56:16
  the prey. So I I am not saying this with
• 56:19
  any sort of like strong confidence.
• 56:22
  My vibe is that this is meant to be like like really minimal like
• 56:32
  I think this is going to count as one delve right?
• 56:35
  This will and I think, OK, I'm going to feel really, really
• 56:37
  stupid the first slot of. The.
• 56:41
  Vault. You only need to do one thing to
• 56:44
  get it right. Yes.
• 56:46
  Yeah, I know what my fault looks like.
• 56:50
  This. Is the first slot.
• 56:52
  First slot is 2 delves in the world content.
• 56:57
  OK, yeah, so and the first raid slot is 2 raid bosses as well.
• 57:01
  Yeah. So, so if they just make it
• 57:03
  count as a Delve, then it's just do one of these, do a Delph, it
• 57:07
  could just count as a Delph, right?
• 57:09
  Yeah, then that's what they do with most world content.
• 57:10
  Like for example, if you do like the theatre troupe right now, it
• 57:15
  counts as one delve. So like it will pop up like
• 57:19
  it'll it'll get you somewhere, but it's not you're not going to
• 57:21
  like clear a row just with that. So we're getting a little gear.
• 57:28
  If you are like, I'm an open world gamer and that sucks.
• 57:31
  I don't like pray this is stupid.
• 57:32
  That's OK. You got more things.
• 57:34
  We're doing great. So you also have the Silver Moon
• 57:37
  Court, which is meant to be reminiscent of the like Aldores
• 57:40
  Grier sort of thing where you're doing Rep balancing.
• 57:44
  There's four different factions in Eversong Woods and you'd,
• 57:48
  you're all, they each have their own track.
• 57:50
  Their tracks have cosmetic rewards.
• 57:52
  My I, I was not really, I was a child during Burning Crusade.
• 57:56
  So I only know about the outdoors Grier from like memes
• 57:59
  and stuff. But my understanding is that you
• 58:01
  kind of have to pick a side, right?
• 58:03
  Like you can't, You couldn't be full.
• 58:04
  Yeah, sick. But like, I'm going to, I'm
• 58:06
  going to push back against it because I think that they made
• 58:09
  the wrong analogy. I'm going to say that this is
• 58:12
  more like the severed threads where you can choose the
• 58:17
  general, the the the vizier or the Weaver.
• 58:21
  And each of those had their own separate track, but they all
• 58:24
  lead towards the the main track. And I say that because with the
• 58:30
  advent of war bans and with the advent of everything being done
• 58:36
  on your account level, I would hate for the inability to switch
• 58:41
  between these. So each week you're probably
• 58:43
  going to switch between these just like the silk, the severed
• 58:47
  threads or more recently undermine where you would choose
• 58:50
  your cartel. I think that that's sorry, I
• 58:55
  think that that's more likely in a in a in a war bound thing
• 58:59
  because with the Stryers and the Alder I won, they had
• 59:04
  professional stuff. So I would always have to pick
• 59:06
  based on my profession. But 2 I had alts that I would
• 59:11
  have one work on another one and one work on the other.
• 59:14
  Batchy. Back then I didn't do alts.
• 59:17
  And they were mutually exclusive.
• 59:19
  When you wanted to do something with the alders.
• 59:24
  Congratulations, you are now hostile with the Scrys.
• 59:26
  They're not hostile. Yeah, hostile is is correct.
• 59:28
  They weren't at war with you, but they were hostile.
• 59:30
  They'd be like, get out of my my neck of the woods and they'd
• 59:33
  kick you out of the area of the city.
• 59:35
  So you had to choose one faction at the expense of another
• 59:38
  faction. Since Shadow Lands, Blizzard's
• 59:42
  kind of gun shy about that. So I don't, I don't actually
• 59:45
  think that it's outdoor scryers, I think that it is severed
• 59:48
  threads or undermine cartels. Well, see, but I feel like it
• 59:52
  can't be because those are such easier references to make.
• 59:56
  I feel like the fact that they chose outdoor Squire was a very
• 59:58
  and also the fact that they are saying the word balance.
• 1:00:01
  They didn't say build your reputations.
• 1:00:02
  They very explicitly said to balance your reputations between
• 1:00:05
  the four different factions. I I, I don't know how it'll
• 1:00:09
  work. It's possible they won't make it
• 1:00:10
  war bound, which I think would probably be the easiest option
• 1:00:13
  is just be like this one is character specific.
• 1:00:15
  Oh, apparently that's not that's not popular with the group.
• 1:00:20
  But I like I, I can't imagine that they would pick the words
• 1:00:25
  they picked and they pick the examples they gave.
• 1:00:28
  If it I, I, I think I mean like based on the way the game tends
• 1:00:32
  to go, I think you're probably like, I, I can see where you're
• 1:00:36
  coming from. And that does seem to fit the
• 1:00:39
  most of how World of Warcraft has been making decisions where
• 1:00:42
  they do kind of give you a like or you can grind it all, have
• 1:00:44
  fun, enjoy yourself. But I would be, I would just be
• 1:00:48
  very surprised based on the words they picked.
• 1:00:50
  But to be fair, I was also like, there have been a few times,
• 1:00:53
  including with the to do a quick little call back single button
• 1:00:56
  rotation that I've been like, no, you guys listen to what
• 1:00:58
  Blizzard saying. They're being very, very clear
• 1:01:00
  about what they want this to be. And I've been very wrong.
• 1:01:03
  So maybe I don't know what Blizzard say.
• 1:01:06
  Yeah, I it's a question. You're right.
• 1:01:11
  They did use the term balance. They, they were very specific
• 1:01:15
  about words like balances and something that that you just
• 1:01:18
  sort of throw out there. I'm I'm interested in seeing
• 1:01:22
  where this goes, but what else do we have for the people who
• 1:01:25
  maybe are not wanting to deal with the court?
• 1:01:28
  We also have the Loa of Abundance.
• 1:01:30
  So this is a gathering sort of adventure where you're going to
• 1:01:32
  go into these caves, It's going to be a fast-paced treasure room
• 1:01:35
  event. You're going to be running
• 1:01:36
  around gathering different things.
• 1:01:37
  You do not have to be a gatherer to do it, but you will get cute
• 1:01:40
  little bonuses. And also it's tied to Zuluman
• 1:01:43
  because again, you're gathering for the Loa of Abundance, but
• 1:01:45
  you can do it anywhere or the the events will occur anywhere,
• 1:01:48
  I should say. So you're able to go in and,
• 1:01:51
  and, and do your adventures and have your good times with
• 1:01:53
  whatever vibe you're doing, which is very exciting.
• 1:01:57
  I don't know, I guess I say that and I don't, I'm not really a
• 1:02:00
  collector and I'm probably not going to do this a lot, but I'm
• 1:02:02
  excited for the people who are happy.
• 1:02:04
  There's the legends of the Harnier where there's gonna be
• 1:02:07
  magical paintings which will uncover bite size, lore, focus,
• 1:02:10
  objective. So you can quickly if you want
• 1:02:14
  to, but they said you can slow down, read tidbits, get deep
• 1:02:19
  into the into the information and and learn a lot through
• 1:02:22
  these events. And then there's the Stormarian
• 1:02:26
  assault. This is going to be a wave
• 1:02:27
  defense and it's going to be a group event similar to like the
• 1:02:31
  soup was the example they gave you will be scored and you will
• 1:02:36
  be scored by yourself and the fighting that you do and also
• 1:02:39
  the way that you're setting up defenses, which I am cautiously
• 1:02:43
  excited about this one. I, I'm really curious how
• 1:02:47
  they're going to pull it off because usually in these sorts
• 1:02:51
  of group events, again, it is a very like you're done within 5
• 1:02:57
  minutes. Like they, they, they've made it
• 1:02:58
  in such a way that you can score the Max and you almost certainly
• 1:03:03
  will, unless you're like playing at 2:00 in the morning.
• 1:03:06
  So I'm curious they they the way that they said it made it sound
• 1:03:09
  like they were going to make it difficult and make it actually
• 1:03:13
  more of a scoring system. I have never seen them do that
• 1:03:16
  for open world content. So we'll see.
• 1:03:19
  Yeah, I mean, with this one in particular, I think you're
• 1:03:23
  right. There's going to be the guy
• 1:03:25
  who's streaming and and AFK and proudly AFK while he's chatting
• 1:03:30
  and everybody else is doing stuff around them.
• 1:03:32
  There's going to be stop laughing.
• 1:03:35
  It could be anybody. I'm in this, I'm in this tweet
• 1:03:39
  and I don't like it. There, there's going to be a
• 1:03:44
  bunch of people who are just running off doing their own sort
• 1:03:46
  of thing. And so like, I don't think you
• 1:03:48
  can really tune it that that high into difficulty.
• 1:03:52
  Like I'm looking at Nightfall and how you, you had to do your
• 1:03:57
  own particular stuff to like actually earn those rewards.
• 1:04:01
  And so like they are doing different things to evolve this
• 1:04:05
  formula a little bit and we'll see.
• 1:04:09
  If you're killing mobs for myself like a sucker.
• 1:04:15
  Like, since the advent of Dragonflight, they have had
• 1:04:20
  these public events, and these last four definitely seem like
• 1:04:26
  public events. Oh, there's a cave up.
• 1:04:29
  Oh, it's the top of the hour. Let's do this.
• 1:04:30
  The Stormarian assault, right? Oh, the lore event is available
• 1:04:39
  for the for the next hour. Let me go, go do that.
• 1:04:44
  I think they're cute, but this is this.
• 1:04:49
  This part of it doesn't seem like anything revolutionary.
• 1:04:53
  It just seems like the next wave of the same things we've been
• 1:04:56
  doing for the last, what, four or five years?
• 1:05:03
  I, I get a little anxious about these now because every single
• 1:05:07
  time they put in some rare recipe or some something that
• 1:05:13
  people need to get from these things.
• 1:05:16
  So people are farming it like every hour on the hour for the
• 1:05:20
  first like X amount of weeks. And then the next patch comes
• 1:05:25
  out, everybody moves on to that and there are a bunch of people
• 1:05:28
  who didn't get the recipe or came in late that are now stuck
• 1:05:32
  trying to do it with the same really low drop chance.
• 1:05:36
  And it just becomes frustrating for them.
• 1:05:39
  I'm hoping they do something to make these a little bit more
• 1:05:44
  Evergreen. They kind of did a little bit of
• 1:05:47
  that in Dragonflight where like they upped what you the quality
• 1:05:54
  you would get out of them at least.
• 1:05:56
  But I haven't really seen that in the war within.
• 1:06:01
  Like, I mean like they did up the quality, but they also made
• 1:06:04
  things so obsolete with the speed of stuff coming out in in
• 1:06:09
  in the war within that. I when was the last time either
• 1:06:13
  of you did like the like protecting the light in hollow
• 1:06:18
  fall? Season 1 when I got Max Rep,
• 1:06:28
  that was the last time. So I mean one way that they did
• 1:06:32
  kind of keep some of these world events relevant in War Within is
• 1:06:37
  they gave them delve keys and then they suddenly switched them
• 1:06:40
  to shards and didn't tell me. And now I have 50 shards I don't
• 1:06:42
  know what to do with in my bag because I didn't realize the
• 1:06:45
  theater troopers shards and I would have done it if I do that.
• 1:06:47
  I knew it was stupid and lazy. But anyway, not that I'm mad
• 1:06:49
  about that. So that is one thing that
• 1:06:53
  they've been doing a lot of. Like that's also, you know, the
• 1:06:55
  only reason I awaken the machine is because I get the weekly
• 1:06:57
  quest and it gives me a delve key and I'm like, OK, sick.
• 1:07:00
  I'll blow 5 minutes on that. So I can see that being the way
• 1:07:04
  that they go about this. And I'm curious to see some of
• 1:07:11
  these like, for example, not to out myself as like a bad World
• 1:07:15
  of Warcraft player, the legends of the Harnier does not speak to
• 1:07:19
  me at all. Like to the point where that is
• 1:07:22
  the one that I did not take any notes on when I was watching the
• 1:07:24
  video. I was like, oh, and then there's
• 1:07:26
  the lore one, which we love the lore ones.
• 1:07:27
  I read the books, but I am and and so I can see some of these
• 1:07:34
  getting tedious as well. And I'm curious how they're
• 1:07:39
  going to do the rewards. I am also curious how they're
• 1:07:41
  going to keep it Evergreen, if it is going to be, you know,
• 1:07:43
  fun, cute little cosmetics, which seems to be what they're
• 1:07:46
  doing with a lot of these. Whether it is going to be things
• 1:07:47
  like dove keys and and potential benefits, whether it's a mix of
• 1:07:51
  them, who knows. And I am curious, especially for
• 1:07:56
  the ones like the Assault, which is a Group One, how much there
• 1:07:59
  will be like how much I actually will have to care about my
• 1:08:01
  fellow players. Yeah.
• 1:08:06
  So we will have to see. I'm glad that they are putting
• 1:08:09
  some attention into the open world stuff.
• 1:08:13
  All of these things you could be doing and then suddenly your
• 1:08:16
  prey can come across you. So there is that.
• 1:08:20
  We will see how Legion Remix goes because I would love to see
• 1:08:26
  the world tier difficulties be something that is fun.
• 1:08:30
  And then maybe after that, adopted.
• 1:08:34
  And yeah, before we go any further though, Sean, we happen
• 1:08:40
  to have a new supporter over on Patreon.
• 1:08:45
  Oh snap, nobody told me I don't have a thing.
• 1:08:48
  But I will say a special thanks to Aphrodon and all of our
• 1:08:52
  Patrons for Azeroth. We'll always be free, but if you
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  Patreon at patreon.com/F AZ. And if you don't want to do
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  Patreon, just come hang on the Discord at Bit dot LY slash fast
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  Discord. We're always in there.
• 1:09:05
  We're hanging out and I'm basically Tinkerbell.
• 1:09:09
  I require applause to live, so please come spend some time with
• 1:09:15
  us. OK, with that said.
• 1:09:20
  Right. I mean a little bit, a little
• 1:09:23
  bit. With that said, I do want to
• 1:09:25
  talk about quickly the revamped levelling process because they
• 1:09:29
  did cover this off and go and went through it.
• 1:09:33
  Assuming that if you're listening to this show, you're
• 1:09:35
  actively playing and this won't be of much value to you, but you
• 1:09:40
  can get some friends to come back.
• 1:09:42
  You can entice a new player and this is sort of what they're
• 1:09:45
  going to be going through. So they still have the Exiles
• 1:09:49
  reach process. You'll go through that as a new
• 1:09:52
  player, or if you just want to, on one of your alts.
• 1:09:55
  That will get you to level 10. From there, you're going into
• 1:09:58
  Dragonflight just like you would today, except that they've
• 1:10:01
  revised the Dragonflight levelling experience.
• 1:10:05
  You'll go through the 1st 4 zones just as you normally
• 1:10:07
  would, but that won't get you all the way to 70.
• 1:10:10
  Instead, you'll complete those 4 zones and then start going
• 1:10:14
  through some of the expansions later patch content, which means
• 1:10:19
  that you're going to fight in the Vault of the Incarnate as
• 1:10:23
  part of a story mode raid. You'll then go into the Zerlak
• 1:10:26
  Caverns again, there will be another story mode raid, go off
• 1:10:31
  into the Emerald Dream and Ameritracil and go up against
• 1:10:35
  Fire Rack as part of the final part of the of the story, the
• 1:10:41
  expansion, and that will get you to level 70.
• 1:10:45
  From level 70 to 80, there is going to be an abridged version
• 1:10:50
  of The War Within. I think I've said it a couple of
• 1:10:54
  times that I feel like the story for The War Within has sort of
• 1:10:59
  wavered and gone all over the place.
• 1:11:01
  Is that time? Well, now they've got the Cold
• 1:11:03
  Notes version of it, taking something that they said would
• 1:11:07
  have taken dozens of hours and compacting that into something a
• 1:11:13
  lot more streamlined, getting you to level 80, which is when
• 1:11:17
  you will step in to midnight with everybody else.
• 1:11:21
  These revamped stuff are coming before we start midnight.
• 1:11:26
  So if you want to do this revamped version of the war
• 1:11:31
  within as a refresher that they said they're allowing players to
• 1:11:35
  do that, I think that's that's pretty cool that they're doing
• 1:11:38
  this abridged version. They had said that like dragon
• 1:11:41
  fight was going to be their jumping off point for new
• 1:11:44
  players. And this definitely makes it
• 1:11:47
  feel like the new era. Hey, let's get you up to up to
• 1:11:51
  date. If you are a returning player,
• 1:11:55
  they have something else for you.
• 1:11:57
  They have this scenario where you are going to have your quest
• 1:12:02
  log hidden away. Don't deal with the stuff in
• 1:12:05
  your inventory and all of those items.
• 1:12:07
  Instead, you'll have this scenario where you'll be with
• 1:12:10
  Thrall and Jana and it'll reintroduce you to to the game.
• 1:12:14
  That includes a tutorial that will make sure that you're
• 1:12:18
  learning about like what you should know at this time,
• 1:12:21
  including an interrupt tutorial. Oh, that is so good.
• 1:12:26
  There are so many people in pugs that I want to be like vote into
• 1:12:31
  the scenario, but they, they have that.
• 1:12:36
  I think this will become the new pug slur.
• 1:12:38
  Have you done this and have you done the interrupt tutorial?
• 1:12:46
  But if you feel that you already have the handle on things and
• 1:12:50
  you're like, OK, you know what? I'm I'm caught back up to speed.
• 1:12:53
  You can drop out of this scenario at any time and then
• 1:12:56
  jump back into the into the game.
• 1:12:58
  And that at that point it restores all the stuff, gives
• 1:13:01
  you appropriate gear for whatever level you're at when
• 1:13:04
  you drop out of scenario. So that's a lot of stuff that's
• 1:13:07
  good to get people back into the game or get new players up to
• 1:13:11
  speed and playing along with us. And I really do like that.
• 1:13:16
  I hope they let excuse me sorry, I hope it's late.
• 1:13:21
  I hope they let non returning players opt into these like
• 1:13:24
  short and story modes because I think they will be neat to get
• 1:13:28
  Blaster the story of Dragonflight or Blaster the the
• 1:13:31
  abridged story of the war within where I don't have to do this
• 1:13:37
  eco Dome be quest that makes me want to throw my computer out a
• 1:13:42
  window. Dude, don't do that.
• 1:13:45
  You can ship the computer over to me.
• 1:13:46
  My computer's a little a little rusty.
• 1:13:51
  That said. Yeah, will my prey attack me in
• 1:13:54
  the interrupt tutorial? That actually is the interrupt
• 1:13:58
  tutorial. Yeah, it's it's just like, oh,
• 1:14:00
  actually we're going to throw one of the hardest world bots in
• 1:14:02
  the game at you alone. It's on Nightmare.
• 1:14:05
  You're you're, you're doing this thing.
• 1:14:06
  They're like interrupt. You don't interrupt and then
• 1:14:08
  your, your praise says you idiot and then start stabbing at you.
• 1:14:11
  That's the the failed case, but that's that's all for new
• 1:14:17
  players and returning players, which is which is going to get
• 1:14:19
  you caught up for midnight. We did also get a lot of
• 1:14:25
  clarification about the raids because we were talking about
• 1:14:27
  that last episode and looks like we just need to wait a couple of
• 1:14:31
  days for them to actually tell us what the hell is going on.
• 1:14:34
  Sean, I'm going to give this one to you.
• 1:14:36
  Yeah, the news delivery from games.com has been a massive
• 1:14:41
  casserole of nonsense. It's been so scattered and
• 1:14:44
  difficult to track things down. There's live footage like
• 1:14:48
  fireside chats on stage that just don't exist anymore.
• 1:14:52
  They were live streamed and the Vods are gone and you can't find
• 1:14:55
  them. It's just wild.
• 1:14:57
  I don't understand. Maybe.
• 1:15:00
  Anyway, I was going to say something snarky about layoffs.
• 1:15:03
  I'm not going to do that. It's just been very difficult to
• 1:15:05
  get news from games.com, but we got some news on the raids.
• 1:15:09
  So as we mentioned, there are three raids that are coming at
• 1:15:11
  the start of the tier. 2 of them are launching at the same time.
• 1:15:14
  So the Void Spire, which is the 6th boss raid and the dream rift
• 1:15:19
  which is the one boss raid. Those are both launching at the
• 1:15:22
  same time. Now let me walk you through the
• 1:15:23
  launch pattern. So expansion goes live on
• 1:15:26
  February 9th. That date is not confirmed.
• 1:15:29
  That is a Sean prediction. Lock in February 9th raid goes,
• 1:15:35
  the expansion goes live. 16th the latest February 9th
• 1:15:39
  expansion goes live. We have one week of doing our
• 1:15:43
  quests, vibe and chilling. I guess technically the 9th -3
• 1:15:48
  days for early access or the 6th.
• 1:15:49
  February 6th, early access starts February 9th.
• 1:15:53
  Everybody doesn't have early access, gets to play.
• 1:15:55
  You're vibe and you're chilling. A week goes by, you're doing the
• 1:15:58
  campaign, you're getting all your blood off transmog, you're
• 1:16:01
  faction changing, you're cursing.
• 1:16:03
  You know how the launch was buggy or you're saying how the
• 1:16:05
  launch was great? We don't know, nobody knows.
• 1:16:08
  You can't believe you need a 9000 series X3D CPU now to run
• 1:16:13
  midnight. Anyway, that week goes by, then
• 1:16:16
  the raid launches. Once the raid launches we get
• 1:16:20
  Heroic week. So that's a week where Normal
• 1:16:22
  and Heroic are both open when Heroic week ends.
• 1:16:27
  So normal and heroic. And that will be Void Spire and
• 1:16:30
  Dream Rift when Heroic week ends.
• 1:16:33
  This is now the third week we will get Mythic Void Spire and
• 1:16:38
  Dream Rift. Now here's the issue.
• 1:16:42
  The information they gave us was that the March of Quo de Nos,
• 1:16:45
  which is has heavy lore implications will launch a few
• 1:16:51
  weeks. They said two to three weeks
• 1:16:52
  after Void Spire. Now is that we don't know if
• 1:16:56
  that's two to three weeks after heroic week or if that's two to
• 1:17:00
  three weeks after Mythic week. OK, sorry.
• 1:17:03
  We're not entirely sure that there will be a heroic week.
• 1:17:06
  I wish I had the exact no, no locked in.
• 1:17:09
  They did lock in. I from what I had heard from one
• 1:17:12
  again, somebody says something and then there's another
• 1:17:15
  interview. There was a question directly
• 1:17:17
  asked to them, will there be heroic week?
• 1:17:19
  And one of the interviews that I saw, they said we're not sure
• 1:17:24
  yet and he leaned towards no. And so if you're saying they
• 1:17:29
  locked in, then all right. Yeah, Ian locked it in, he said.
• 1:17:32
  You know, start of an expansion means we're bringing back Heroic
• 1:17:34
  Week because you don't have that power gained from the previous
• 1:17:37
  week. Yeah, Heroic Week definitely
• 1:17:39
  exists. That's 100%.
• 1:17:41
  Does it, does it exist for all of the rights then if we're
• 1:17:44
  going to do staggered raid releases?
• 1:17:47
  Well, only two of the raids will get Heroic Week Void Spire and
• 1:17:50
  Dream Rift because they're launching together.
• 1:17:54
  March of Kel de Nos Quel de Nos won't get a heroic week because
• 1:17:58
  it's launching mid season or not mid season, but after the season
• 1:18:01
  it started. So the question people have is,
• 1:18:03
  is it two weeks after heroic week?
• 1:18:05
  Is it two weeks after mythic unlocks?
• 1:18:07
  When? And they and really it's just
• 1:18:08
  like just give us a date. Please let us know and we will
• 1:18:14
  know. Like right now everybody's in a
• 1:18:15
  tizzy over it because nobody knows any dates.
• 1:18:17
  February 9th, right in the calendar.
• 1:18:19
  Nobody knows any dates, but it's February 9th and all, right.
• 1:18:23
  That's it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna put my lock
• 1:18:26
  in two weeks that you said the 16th, so 23rd Feb 20 third.
• 1:18:30
  There we go. Rob, you're way late.
• 1:18:32
  Sure. But you already said the the
• 1:18:34
  16th, so I had to take the next week out.
• 1:18:35
  Oh. That's right.
• 1:18:36
  That's right. Yes.
• 1:18:39
  We don't know what where that's gonna launch.
• 1:18:40
  We're gonna find out. But where this has big
• 1:18:42
  implications is the Race to Rule First, which we started the show
• 1:18:44
  with. And it's kind of nice to bookend
• 1:18:46
  the show with this because the Race to Rule First typically
• 1:18:48
  does on location events and they'll start with heroic week.
• 1:18:53
  Well, if if March of Quel de Nos doesn't come out until three
• 1:18:56
  weeks after heroic week, that means the Raiders are going to
• 1:19:00
  be on location for what, a month, which is a massive cost
• 1:19:04
  issue. And they're the Raiders are not
• 1:19:08
  military personnel. They're not used to being away
• 1:19:11
  from home for long periods of time while deployed.
• 1:19:13
  So it'll be really, really curious to see.
• 1:19:16
  I am expecting that we get more online only race to world 1st
• 1:19:21
  events next season, the start of the start of the race.
• 1:19:25
  Because logistically it'll just make more sense.
• 1:19:28
  And maybe it'll be the case of the first two raids are online
• 1:19:33
  only and then when March of Quel de Nos goes live then they do
• 1:19:36
  like a one week on location for those.
• 1:19:39
  And then the question is well what is the race to rule first?
• 1:19:41
  Is it whoever kills the last boss of Quel de Nos first?
• 1:19:45
  Is it whichever Guild kills more bosses first, like the last boss
• 1:19:51
  of Void Spire and the last boss of Cualdonas, but they lose the
• 1:19:53
  dream rift? It's going to be yeah, it's
• 1:19:57
  going to be wild. Can I all of that, though?
• 1:20:00
  Yeah. Now you don't care that it that
• 1:20:01
  it affects the race of work. You shouldn't because it's
• 1:20:03
  probably going to be really good for the player.
• 1:20:06
  No, I was. I was going to be a hitter, a
• 1:20:08
  Blizzard actually, and I was going to say my take away from
• 1:20:12
  this whole thing is they have lost way too much historic
• 1:20:18
  knowledge. This feels like people who have
• 1:20:20
  not been releasing expansions for years are just like, you
• 1:20:24
  know, we really cool guys. What if we like did the first
• 1:20:28
  cinematic in like this 2 hour long event?
• 1:20:31
  Like, hey guys, what if, what if we like released the raids and
• 1:20:35
  it would OK, Like at first they're like we're all going to
• 1:20:37
  release them together and then they started getting pushed back
• 1:20:39
  and they're like, no, we won't release them together.
• 1:20:40
  We're going to do 1. Like I, I don't know, like 2 to
• 1:20:43
  three weeks after like this feels the the fact that they
• 1:20:46
  changed how they were going to do gear in the middle of a
• 1:20:48
  convention like absurdity. What's that happening?
• 1:20:54
  It feels to me like they they brought back people who used to
• 1:20:58
  work on the game long ago and those people are saying, you
• 1:21:00
  know what was really cool? That we didn't Mop, we had three
• 1:21:03
  raids launched at once. It's going to be epic.
• 1:21:08
  Yeah, that's how it feels to me, is that people that are supposed
• 1:21:11
  to be coming back to be saviors are just trying to recreate the
• 1:21:14
  things that worked for them in The Burning Crusade or Wrath of
• 1:21:17
  the Lich King or miss a Pandaria before they handed the reins
• 1:21:20
  over and left the company and then came back to be our
• 1:21:22
  saviors. That's how it feels to me.
• 1:21:25
  But I don't know. I, I don't, I don't feel like
• 1:21:30
  Metson's making those calls. If Metson was like somebody that
• 1:21:35
  would the, the, the like vague sort of mold that you threw out
• 1:21:38
  there. I'm just saying I also.
• 1:21:42
  Was it a good Metson impression though?
• 1:21:43
  Was the impression good? It wasn't good enough to be
• 1:21:47
  legally inviting, I'll say that much.
• 1:21:51
  I do think, though, that a lot of people have been saying like,
• 1:21:56
  oh, I do miss when they had these, these raids, the layer of
• 1:22:00
  Malthurian or whatever, right? Like they, they were getting
• 1:22:04
  that feedback and they for a while they weren't doing that.
• 1:22:07
  They're like, you know what, fine, first rate of of of a
• 1:22:09
  tear. It doesn't matter as much.
• 1:22:11
  Let's let's do something like this.
• 1:22:15
  And you're right. What's going to count for the
• 1:22:18
  race the world first? You know what Blizzard has said
• 1:22:22
  that they don't design with the race the world first in mind and
• 1:22:26
  people keep saying oh they cater to this group, they cater to
• 1:22:28
  that group, they whatever. You're right, this is going to
• 1:22:31
  be a logistical nightmare for those race the world first
• 1:22:34
  teams. They are more likely going to
• 1:22:39
  have to do do part if not all of this remotely.
• 1:22:43
  And it will depend on like how quickly they can even clear
• 1:22:48
  through the 1st 7 bosses. Because if they are like taking
• 1:22:55
  let's say 12 days to clear through the 1st 7 bosses and
• 1:23:00
  then they've got to pick up and like get to location that like
• 1:23:07
  I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm saying that eats into their
• 1:23:10
  prep time. They want to be re farming this
• 1:23:13
  these raids and stuff getting ready.
• 1:23:15
  We have no idea if there's tear in this opening raids and if so,
• 1:23:21
  which bosses are dropping them. Like there's a lot of things
• 1:23:24
  that could like drastically change things.
• 1:23:27
  What does that mean for the Great Vault for those of us at
• 1:23:30
  home? If Tear doesn't show up in the
• 1:23:32
  raid until the March on Call donos opens up, can I still get
• 1:23:40
  charges in my catalyst before that opens up?
• 1:23:44
  Is it going to drop in the Great Vault before that opens up?
• 1:23:47
  There's a lot of things to even think about there.
• 1:23:52
  So like, I don't know, there's like it's going to be a lot of
• 1:23:59
  questions, a lot of logistical issues for those of us at home,
• 1:24:03
  for those of the people who are doing the race to World first,
• 1:24:07
  There are going to be a lot of questions even about like how
• 1:24:12
  they're doing the reward design in the boss drop tables.
• 1:24:16
  Like, am I going to suddenly have to create a new best in
• 1:24:23
  slot list two weeks later, because now these trinkets are
• 1:24:27
  available and to be ready for this, I should have done the
• 1:24:30
  best in slot trinkets from this raid.
• 1:24:32
  And now that this is opened, well, I've got to start farming
• 1:24:35
  this. I I think that yes, boohoo, race
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  the world first, but we're all kind of sinking in this Titanic
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  boat or just enjoying the chaos together.
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  Not me. I'm on that door.
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  I'm floating away to fellowship land.
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  Well, I, I, I do hope that you enjoy Fellowship.
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  I will complain about it's so little downtime between tears
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  that I don't get to enjoy other games as much.
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  I got to, I got to jump on and play peek.
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  My friend bought that for me and I was like, oh, I really want to
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  play it. Oh, I can't even raid tonight
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  because my computer screwed up, but you know, such is life.
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  That said, guys, we have links to the software download as well
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  as another couple of interviews in our show notes.
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  Those are available in the discord at bit dot LY slash fast
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  discord when this show goes live, and we will be talking
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  about all say as many of the other systems as we can in
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  future episodes as well as because news is coming out so
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  quickly, we're going to have some bonus episodes to try and
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  get into other details about the upcoming expansion as well.
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  So look out for for all of that coming towards you in the near
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  future. And until next time, may all
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  your hits be quits.