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Kyle Bonagura on Indiana winning the CFP National Championship, Duke QB suing his school, RSL rebranding (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: Guys, I'm actually pumped about this.
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  Speaker 2: Our friends over at Real Salt Lake they're doing a
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  Speaker 2: self examination, a little audit, internal audit of the branding
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  Speaker 2: with their sports properties now that the ownership group has
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  Speaker 2: changed and there's a takeover for the Miller Sports Group
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  Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Real Salt Lake has a little
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  Speaker 2: survey out there. I've retweeted and you can find your
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  Speaker 2: They're asking for your opinion on these things, on your
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  Speaker 2: brand awareness, on whether you like the logo, whether you
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  Speaker 2: like the name on your favorite players, all that kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff, and the possibilities here. We'll get into them
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  Speaker 2: a little bit later. It feels like this survey makes
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  Speaker 2: it feel like a rebrand is potentially in the offing
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  Speaker 2: for RSL. This is something that I would cherish, welcome, adore,
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  Speaker 2: love because it always bothered me. Look, we love the players.
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  Speaker 2: I've even developed an affection for the colors. It always
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  Speaker 2: bothered me that it was just a cheap knockoff of
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  Speaker 2: Real Madrid in Salt Lake City. It made no sense
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  Speaker 2: to me brand something that actually makes sense for us.
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  Speaker 3: That might be possible. So go to atrialoc.
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  Speaker 3: Only if you agree with.
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  Speaker 2: Me, though, if you cherish the Real Salt Lake brand
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  Speaker 2: and you just want them to keep that, we don't
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  Speaker 2: need your opinion, all right, that's how the show works.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: We're lucky enough to welcome Kyle Bonnigera to the show.
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  Speaker 2: Lots of things to talk about. Maybe he'll have an
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  Speaker 2: opinion or two about a potential rebrand for Real Assault Lake.
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  Speaker 3: Kyle Bondagirl, welcome, How are you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing good. Now. You have me thinking about rebrands
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  Speaker 1: and MLS, and I think I come down firmly Team
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  Speaker 1: rebrand is fine. The real part for me, Yeah, a
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  Speaker 1: little cheap, little knockoffishy and there's something that could probably
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  Speaker 1: find this more authentic to the region, to the league,
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  Speaker 1: and stop trying to pretend that you're on the Mediterranean somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you agreeing with me, at least verbally, whether
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  Speaker 2: that's in your heart or not, because it just never
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  Speaker 2: made sense to me. And look, I know that, like
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  Speaker 2: sometimes the brand has to grow with you and on
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  Speaker 2: you because of what they do. And they accomplished an
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  Speaker 2: MLS Cup, but that was a long time ago. Now
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  Speaker 2: and new ownership, it's a perfect time. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: we'll see, but I want to talk a lot of
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  Speaker 2: things with Kyle Bonagera from ESPN the Indiana Hoosiers. I
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  Speaker 2: know you've been having these discussions all week already, but
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  Speaker 2: this team, this program under Kurt Signetti being a national champion,
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  Speaker 2: and now it looks like a power that might be
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  Speaker 2: here to stay with plenty of booster support, plenty of
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  Speaker 2: nil support, and with success in the recent transfer portal.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously for them, it's not closed yet.
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  Speaker 2: I suppose there will be a little attrition from this
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  Speaker 2: year's roster, but nothing that we're seeing that's overly meaningful.
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  Speaker 2: Is the magic we watched under Kurt Signetti these last
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  Speaker 2: couple of years. Is it sustainable for Indiana in your mind?
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  Speaker 1: I think so, because I think he's just that he's
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  Speaker 1: just that good, right, I mean, I keep going back
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  Speaker 1: to his opening press covers at Indiana, right, Google me,
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  Speaker 1: I win I mean, that's it's true. I mean the
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  Speaker 1: levels are different, but everywhere he's been, he's won, and
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  Speaker 1: he's won big, and so I mean there doesn't appear
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  Speaker 1: to be anything like revolutionary that he's doing there. Right,
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  Speaker 1: they look like a college football team, but he just
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  Speaker 1: does every like it feels like he just has everything
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  Speaker 1: a little bit better than everyone else, whether that's roster management,
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  Speaker 1: talent identification, you know, scheme in whatever which direction. Football.
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  Speaker 1: You know, obviously coaching matters more than any other sport
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  Speaker 1: by a wide margin. Right, The scheme and building a perga,
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  Speaker 1: all of that stuff is so dependent on having to
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  Speaker 1: coach that's a leader. Look, Alabama was successful for a
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  Speaker 1: long time under Nick Saban. It wasn't because it was Alabama.
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  Speaker 1: You know that there were certainly some inherent advantages of
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  Speaker 1: being that a blue blood. That's helpful. But when you
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  Speaker 1: have the best coach, you're gonna win a lot of games.
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  Speaker 1: And I think right now Kurt Signetti has you know,
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  Speaker 1: made a strong case that that he's the best coaching
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  Speaker 1: college football, and you know, that's a that's a pretty
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  Speaker 1: good place to start. Of course, you need the resources
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  Speaker 1: on top of that. In this era of college football too,
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  Speaker 1: and and they have that they have the largest alumni
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  Speaker 1: base within school in the country. And with that, with
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  Speaker 1: the success, it's gonna come more investment. It's gonna lead
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  Speaker 1: to more people wanting to play there. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think they're they're going to be around for a while.
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  Speaker 1: But I would also you know, stress it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of have to reset every year in the sport.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's certainly possible that we'll see other
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  Speaker 1: programs going to pop up and drop back. That's just
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  Speaker 1: the way of the world.
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  Speaker 2: Now, there was a there was a long time where
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  Speaker 2: Nick Saban Alabama teams were dominant and successful almost sometimes
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  Speaker 2: despite the quarterback play, Like they had stars in every position,
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  Speaker 2: seemingly accept quarterback in some of those years, and those
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  Speaker 2: were national championship contention or national championship winning years in
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  Speaker 2: some of those cases. It if Indiana is sustainable and
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  Speaker 2: it does become something of a dynasty, do you think
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  Speaker 2: that it's going to be built through the quarterback down.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously this year their guy won the Heisman
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  Speaker 2: Trophy and for Nana Mendoza was incredible and he made
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  Speaker 2: the necessary plays right off the top of statistically, he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't exactly a monster, and they went out and they
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  Speaker 2: addressed the need to replace him in the transfer portal.
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  Speaker 2: But do you think that Kurt Signetti is going to
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  Speaker 2: build from the quarterback down or could he potentially build
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  Speaker 2: his teams where I just need someone who's good enough
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  Speaker 2: and we're gonna be nasty everywhere else like those Bama
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  Speaker 2: teams were.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know if I'd really look at
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  Speaker 1: it like that. I think you're you're trying to get
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  Speaker 1: the best players you can at every position, right, So
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  Speaker 1: like just because they have a good quarterback, that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean they're not going to pursue it. And like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that'll affect their strategy elsewhere, maybe like in
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  Speaker 1: terms of if you're gonna be more, you're gonna throw
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  Speaker 1: the ball over and run it. Maybe that you know,
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  Speaker 1: in terms of how you're gonna spread out your money
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  Speaker 1: right and pay guys and build the roster that way,
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  Speaker 1: I suppose. But I think that what's unique about college
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  Speaker 1: tripple now is like without having to sit out when
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  Speaker 1: you transfer, not just regrets, but for anyone, you can
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  Speaker 1: go out and find a really good quarterback every single year,
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  Speaker 1: a guy who's proven at a high level and you
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  Speaker 1: kind of know what you're getting into. You don't have
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  Speaker 1: to take a chance on someone who you've developed in
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  Speaker 1: your program. I think there will be times where, you know,
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks do come along and like, hey, like we've seen
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  Speaker 1: him in practice for a year. We know, we feel
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  Speaker 1: really confident that he's going to be the guy to
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  Speaker 1: pass the batantu and and and win with him. But
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  Speaker 1: I think it's very case by case, right. If you
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  Speaker 1: have a guy who you're confident in, you roll with him.
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  Speaker 1: If not, you go out and you get a good player.
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  Speaker 1: And I think where the winning really helps, right, It's like, look,
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  Speaker 1: now they've got two case studies, right with with with
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  Speaker 1: Roark last year and with Mendoza this year. They have
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  Speaker 1: two transfer quarterbacks who came in and we're you know,
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  Speaker 1: they were accomplished to a certain degree other places, but
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  Speaker 1: they really you know, took it to the next level
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  Speaker 1: at Indiana. And so now that you have that pitch
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  Speaker 1: to sell top talent a quarterback, like, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be very easy for them to continue to
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  Speaker 1: uh to bring guys into the transfer portal if that's
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  Speaker 1: the route they want to keep going.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of teams that are going to try
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  Speaker 2: to replicate what thea has done. I've heard Signetty kind
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  Speaker 2: of joking about I don't know if I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: like have a coach's clinic and tell everyone our secrets.
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  Speaker 2: But uh, there's also the idea that, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you try to copy what teams like Indiana have done,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know how easy that is to do,
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  Speaker 2: how replicable If that's the right way to say it
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  Speaker 2: is Indiana's success elsewhere, it's a It's a.
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  Speaker 1: Good question because I don't really think it's Like, like
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  Speaker 1: I said before, I don't think there's anything that they're
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  Speaker 1: doing that is like so revolutionary, right, Like there's there's
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  Speaker 1: certain programs you can think about, like Oregan stands out
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  Speaker 1: when they had things wrong with Chip Kelly as the
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  Speaker 1: offensive quarter they were so different offensively that it spawned
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  Speaker 1: copycats around college football, right, because hey, they're having so
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  Speaker 1: much success doing this thing that was you know, wasn't
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  Speaker 1: completely new, but it was certainly unique. And there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of new new ground that was being plowed there
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  Speaker 1: with Indiana. Like when I watch them play, it's not
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  Speaker 1: like I'm seeing something that I haven't seen for right,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's it's just the little things that they've just
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  Speaker 1: executed on, and it's it's boring to say, but I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the reality here. And I think, what what
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  Speaker 1: what Signetti does And my colleague Ada Murtt and Burhnickett
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  Speaker 1: story about this was last week. I think where he's
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  Speaker 1: just really good at identifying talent, right, And that's a skill,
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  Speaker 1: and skills aren't something you can necessarily replicate. You can
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  Speaker 1: try to put in similar processes to checks and balances
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  Speaker 1: and trying to identify guys at lower levels, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: you know, identifying production or measurables or whatever whatever the
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  Speaker 1: case may be. Right, But if if two guys are
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  Speaker 1: sitting next to each other and they make one guy
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  Speaker 1: makes one of the valuation and then other guy makes
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  Speaker 1: a different evaluation, you can't really uh, there's nothing you
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  Speaker 1: can do to protect against that, right, Like Signetti is
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  Speaker 1: just very good at it, and that's an edge that's hard,
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  Speaker 1: hard to copy. And so yeah, I think certainly football
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  Speaker 1: copy caps forre like you know, to a certain degree,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, but for football more than others. And yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there will be programs that draw from them, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: schematically whether it's you know, how to build the roster.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily unique to Indiana. That's just
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  Speaker 1: kind of the cyclical nature of the sport.
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Bone ger our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
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  Speaker 2: talking all things college football. At least for now, it
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  Speaker 2: was a wild college football coaching carousel. Which new head
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  Speaker 2: coach is most intriguing in his new spot for you?
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  Speaker 1: Oooh, that's interesting? Well, you know, and this is maybe
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  Speaker 1: playing to the local market to a degree, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: but like, because I've followed Kyle Winningham for for so
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  Speaker 1: long and then the youth or so long and have
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  Speaker 1: a pretty good enterstaining of the program at least is
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  Speaker 1: like compared to like maybe national reporters I suppose. But like,
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  Speaker 1: let's let's see what that looks like at Michigan. I'm
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  Speaker 1: really interested to see how they look under Kyle and
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  Speaker 1: kind of what what is his transition process is like? There?
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  Speaker 1: That one? That one's the obvious one for me. I
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  Speaker 1: think No Campbell at Penn State is another one that Okay,
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  Speaker 1: he you know, it's he had a I would say
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting, right because they were one of the worst
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  Speaker 1: teams in college football for you know, one hundred years
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  Speaker 1: and he shows up and they're regularly competing at the
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  Speaker 1: top levels of the Big twelve, Like does that how
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  Speaker 1: does that translate at Penn State? You know, this is
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  Speaker 1: a program that fire their coach, you know, midyear after
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  Speaker 1: going to the national semi final the year before. For me,
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  Speaker 1: that felt like a bit of an overreaction. And so
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  Speaker 1: what kind of uh, you know, what kind of support
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  Speaker 1: does he get if if if if they start you
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  Speaker 1: know four and three, four and two something like that,
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  Speaker 1: What is the what is the environment? And Happy Valley?
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  Speaker 1: Like So for me, those are the two off the
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  Speaker 1: top of my head that that are interest in UCLA
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  Speaker 1: is interesting as well with Chesney coming from James Madison,
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  Speaker 1: Tosh Lapois going back to Zama Marcal I lived here
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  Speaker 1: in the area. I'll certainly have my eyes on that one. Stanford. Look,
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  Speaker 1: there's there's so many, it's such a it's such an
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  Speaker 1: interesting cycle. We could we could kind of go down
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  Speaker 1: one by one here and it's been three hours. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's it's been a lot of fun. The track the.
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  Speaker 2: Toscow point of cal is really interesting for me because
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  Speaker 2: he's had this rip tation for you know, almost two
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  Speaker 2: decades now as being this incredible recruiter. And I have
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  Speaker 2: a certain affection for the Bay Area myself. Cal's awesome
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  Speaker 2: campus and awesome school. Uh, I guess it's somewhat hard
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  Speaker 2: to get into, but I don't think so for football
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  Speaker 2: players necessarily.
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  Speaker 3: Uh can he.
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  Speaker 2: Could he bring the talent that he had at a
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  Speaker 2: place like Oregon to Cal? Can you have the success
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  Speaker 2: he's had other places at Cal as the head coach?
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  Speaker 2: Because if if so, I think they could be really
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  Speaker 2: really interesting in that new conference.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Cow has the infrastructure to be competitive
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  Speaker 1: in the NCC. Like, there's no reason for me that
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  Speaker 1: they that they shouldn't. You look at the history of
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  Speaker 1: the program, it's it's it's not too not too favorable there.
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  Speaker 1: But but look, I think, you know, it really comes
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  Speaker 1: down to what does your what do the conference look like?
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  Speaker 1: What do the NIL coffers look like? And you know
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  Speaker 1: Ron Aver who's been at the GMT at Tel a
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  Speaker 1: longtime NFL coach. You know he was when he introduced
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  Speaker 1: Tosh you know whatever, it was over a month ago. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you talked about, hey, we're fully funded on
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  Speaker 1: the n NOW front and we're going to be you know,
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  Speaker 1: competitive in the ACC when it comes to that. And
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  Speaker 1: so that's the case, Like I certainly feel like you
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  Speaker 1: should be able to build a roster because I think
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  Speaker 1: that's the factor that matters more than anything else. Like
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  Speaker 1: it's one thing before, right, if everyone's just getting offered
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  Speaker 1: a scholarship to go to school X or school y whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and you're just weighing one scholarship person an other writers
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  Speaker 1: playing time, there's a whole bunch of factors, but it's
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  Speaker 1: they were really very even. But now if you have,
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  Speaker 1: you know, one offer that it's tix hundred thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: and one is one hundred thousand dollars, Like, it's pretty
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  Speaker 1: easy to make that decision, right if you're an eighteen
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  Speaker 1: year old kid or if you're in the transfer poral
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  Speaker 1: And so I think it doesn't necessarily become about like
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  Speaker 1: Kenny recruit guys. I think it's like, can they build
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  Speaker 1: the roster in a way that makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 1: And so far, the the transfer class is has been
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  Speaker 1: very impressive. I think they got thirty guys that are
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  Speaker 1: that are committed to come over or have committed to
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  Speaker 1: come over, a lot of interesting memes on that list,
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  Speaker 1: and so yeah, it's it's a whole new world, right,
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  Speaker 1: and so the skills of them always translate. Just because
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  Speaker 1: you're able to convince a high school kid ten years
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  Speaker 1: ago doesn't mean you know, when when money wasn't involved.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's a different world. And I do think that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's been around enough programs and is kind
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  Speaker 1: of wired in a way to be successful in this
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  Speaker 1: type of environment.
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  Speaker 3: Where is Darien Mensa going to be playing next year?
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  Speaker 1: That's fascinating because I mean if and I haven't read,
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  Speaker 1: I don't read the lawsuit or anything, but if you know,
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  Speaker 1: if Duke feels so strongly about what they have in
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  Speaker 1: writing with him that they're going to take it to court,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: it's good. It's it's it's an interesting case study because
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  Speaker 1: it's very similar to Washington right where you hey, guys
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  Speaker 1: in there tract announcers. He's going into the portal, they say,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to fight it. You know, he gets some
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  Speaker 1: legal demand, Williams of Washing gets some legal advice and
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  Speaker 1: and kind of cooler head to favail. He reversus course,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, whether that happens or not, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any great put intions for you're on that,
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  Speaker 1: but like it's certainly going to be a fascinating test
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  Speaker 1: case because if he does push it and and fights
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  Speaker 1: it to go with it's Miami or somewhere else. That's
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  Speaker 1: that's the rumor the last time I kind of read
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  Speaker 1: about it. It really sets an interesting president probably a
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  Speaker 1: bad precedent. If you have a contract signed, you probably
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  Speaker 1: should be helped to help to that, and once you
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: start getting away from that, then you look, there's it's
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: it's kind of comical at this point to kind of
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  Speaker 1: talk about guardrails in college football. But once you start
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  Speaker 1: get away from sign like contract agreements, then then the
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  Speaker 1: wheels are completely off. So I don't have any great crediction,
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  Speaker 1: but we'll also don't be monitoring that, you know, from
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  Speaker 1: monitoring it closely, like from this one forward, just because
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  Speaker 1: I think it's it sets the precedent for how these
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  Speaker 1: sort of things will be enforced in the future.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, I want to finish with a question about
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  Speaker 2: Utah football, because obviously we're the home of the youths.
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  Speaker 2: Like you said, you covered Kyle Whittingham for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: You covered Utah football under that regime for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: How do you think the schedule is released today? It's
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  Speaker 2: a pretty soft schedule, pretty friendly schedule for Utah, at
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  Speaker 2: least on paper. How do you think this Morgan scalley
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  Speaker 2: first year is going to go? They lost some serious
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  Speaker 2: talent to the draft and of the transfer portal. How
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  Speaker 2: do you think you know his first run at being
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  Speaker 2: a head coach is going to go way way too
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  Speaker 2: early prediction?
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think top top third in the conference is
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: probably where i'd start things down in January, right. Obviously
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: a lot to learn still about what that looks like.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I think part of that is, you know,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: the back half of the Big twelve isn't very good, right,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: and so I think like as a starting point, like,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: there's no way that I see them finished like the
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: bottom half of the conference, just because you'll come and sex,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I guess. But yeah, but there's I mean, b YU
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: has things rolling, Texas Tech has things rolling. You know,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Houston's pretty good, Arizona had a bounce back, you're dealing him,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: and Arizona State it's certainly capable of getting them going again.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, so somewhere in that, probably behind Texas
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Tech in that next tier probably is where I would
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: start them and take it from there.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Well, we'll see how it all plays out.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Only a couple of months till springball, and obviously we
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: start the countdown until late August. Kyle bona Gura, appreciate
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: your time.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Thanks so see great stuff from Kyle Bonagura, ESPN College
• 17:41
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