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163. [Virginia] The Murder of Michelle Castillo · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hooked on tip yes, because we still are in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of door dash h Gate and we don't have
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  Speaker 1: the door dash girl and the person that she filmed
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so that's where we're at. I'm still waiting. I
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  Speaker 2: Away was the internet? Are these internet rumors?
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  Speaker 1: No, that's the problem is the fact that are against
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  Speaker 1: the girl are Internet rumors. The actual facts that I
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  Speaker 1: could find are this guy's a pervert and trying to
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  Speaker 1: flash get off, get his old rocks off by flashing
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  Speaker 1: this girl flashing somebody that walks up to his.
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  Speaker 2: Door and other girls.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So anyway, so well he got what he wanted
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  Speaker 1: because she filmed me and putting on TikTok and she
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  Speaker 1: put myself in that position. But all right, so let's
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and get into this case out of Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: On Thursday, March twentieth, twenty fourteen, in Ashburn, Virginia, Michelle
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  Speaker 1: Costillo's four children woke up wondering where their mom was now.
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  Speaker 1: She was normally would wake up before them. She's a
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  Speaker 1: very involved mom. She would get up, get him breakfast, going,
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  Speaker 1: wake all the kids up and everything. Why are you
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  Speaker 1: looking like that?
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  Speaker 2: My stomach just frumbled. I don't even know if I
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  Speaker 2: about it on the mic or not.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, he's just over there looking We just had a crape.
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  Speaker 1: We had crepes again this morning. I've you saw my
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  Speaker 1: Instagram storre. We were doing crape Saturday and well I
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: did crapes. Well we did crapes this morning, but we
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  Speaker 1: only did one crape because we're trying to like we're
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  Speaker 1: walking like three miles every day and we're trying to
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  Speaker 1: cut back. But right now we're hungry because that's all
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  Speaker 1: we ate this morning. So his stomach is growling. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you guys could hear that. His face
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  Speaker 1: was just looking dumb. So I had to ask who
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  Speaker 1: it was going. Okay, So she normally wakes up her
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  Speaker 1: children to get them ready for school, get breakfast ready.
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  Speaker 1: Michelle had five children in total, but four were under
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  Speaker 1: the age of twelve and living at the home. Now,
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  Speaker 1: their father was not living at the home. His name
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  Speaker 1: was bralioh r a u l Io, so their father
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  Speaker 1: he Bralleoh. He is not living at the home because
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  Speaker 1: the couple had recently separated. Now the children start going
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  Speaker 1: around the house. They're looking, you know, all the kids
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  Speaker 1: are like, Okay, where's mo Matt. This is so weird.
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  Speaker 1: We slept in nobody wokes up. They're going all through
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  Speaker 1: the house. They go into her bedroom, they go downstairs
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  Speaker 1: in the kitchen see if she's making breakfast or anything,
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  Speaker 1: and they couldn't find her. Well, they're starting to get
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  Speaker 1: they're starting to freak out. They're like, mom should be here, yes,
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  Speaker 1: So they start getting concerned. They go back upstairs and
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  Speaker 1: this is when they hear what It was like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I hear running water and they're like, oh, okay, thank god,
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  Speaker 1: Mom's in the shower. So they go to try to
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  Speaker 1: go into the They knock on the door, they try
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  Speaker 1: to open it. Nobody's responding it's locked. But they live
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: in a very nice house. You can see it from
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  Speaker 1: the area. I'm like, oh, that's a nice house. And
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  Speaker 1: then they told us how big it was and everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, so they go. So they have the main door
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  Speaker 1: that goes into it, but then there's a closet bedroom. Closet, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that has a the door to it, because.
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  Speaker 2: I think that goes to the launder room. Some of
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  Speaker 2: them houses, you'll see the master bedroom. You can enter
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  Speaker 2: it from the master bedroom and then go all the
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: way through and then go into the laundroom. So you
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  Speaker 2: could just take your stuff from the closet, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Anyways, there was the main door, and
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  Speaker 1: then there was the extra door that came from the closet.
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  Speaker 1: They go to that second door. It's unlocked. They walk
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  Speaker 1: in and no one's in the shower, but the shower
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  Speaker 1: is the water is running. So at this point they
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  Speaker 1: are completely terrified. So they call up their dad asking
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  Speaker 1: him for help, saying, Hey, we can't find mom. Can
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  Speaker 1: you come over here and help us out. So their
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  Speaker 1: dad brawly go He heads over to the house to
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  Speaker 1: see what is going on, while their father went through
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  Speaker 1: the home looking for it. You know, soon to be yes,
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  Speaker 1: his strange wife. There's no signs of her, so he
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  Speaker 1: calls the police. But while he's he's like, Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to freak these kids out anymore. So he
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  Speaker 1: calls police and he takes the kids to school so
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  Speaker 1: they're not just in there crying and panicking out there.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, hey, mom probably just went for a run,
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  Speaker 1: because she had been training for a marathon. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: she want, Mom just probably went for a run. We'll
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  Speaker 1: find Let me take you guys to school. Everything will
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: be fine.
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  Speaker 2: Be fine in the afternoon when you get home. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'll be there making cookies. Yeah, making you sammy.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Word got around as to Michelle's disappearance to her family
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  Speaker 2: and friends because the police were asking to see if
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  Speaker 2: anybody had heard from Michelle. So then the phone tree
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  Speaker 2: started and everybody's like, hey, did you hear did you hear?
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  Speaker 2: So word spreads quickly. Now this was completely at a
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  Speaker 2: character for Michelle. She would never leave her children in
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  Speaker 2: the home alone. Investigators arrive at their home and they
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: start searching for clues as to where Michelle might be.
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  Speaker 2: But the house, Kara, as we said, is massive. It's
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  Speaker 2: ten thousand plus square feet, so they have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of rooms, a lot of spaces to go through, and
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  Speaker 2: as they're moving through the house, they still have no
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  Speaker 2: sign of Michelle, so they go down to the basement.
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  Speaker 2: Now in the basement, they walk in and they find
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  Speaker 2: Michelle hanging from an electrical cord from the shower head
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  Speaker 2: at inside the basement bathroom. Kara, at first glance, it
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  Speaker 2: looks like she has killed herself, and they start looking
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  Speaker 2: at the scene, but a few things are standing out
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  Speaker 2: to them, Kara, that don't really line up with suicide,
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  Speaker 2: because you know what, we got some skilled investigators here
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  Speaker 2: that have seen a thing or too.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they're over there in Ashbourne, which I believe is
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  Speaker 1: near Washington, which means that they have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: wealthy people and they have a lot of probably they've
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  Speaker 1: probably seen some things. Well, the one guy, the one
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  Speaker 1: main cops sound like he was from Jersey or someplace there,
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  Speaker 1: so he's probably seen some things.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what the investigators are looking at is first off,
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  Speaker 2: that the shower curtain was completely closed, and they're thinking,
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: you know, even if she wanted to commit suicide at
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: some point, the body would start thrashing, twitching for lack
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  Speaker 2: of oxygen, and that the shower curtain would not have
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  Speaker 2: stayed in place that she would have kicked it open
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  Speaker 2: at some point.
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  Speaker 1: It would have been disturbed. It looked, Yes, it looked
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  Speaker 1: like someone closed it after the fact, after the fact
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  Speaker 1: because it was undisturbed whatsoever. And that's just not.
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you would have seen like a mark in it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, not a.
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  Speaker 1: Mark, but it kind have been part of it might
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: have been in the bathtub, and part of it might
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  Speaker 1: have been out.
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  Speaker 2: Not like a mark, but you would have seen like
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  Speaker 2: you know, when you hit a shower curtain, you see
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: the dent in there from where you touched it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if she would have been kicking it would have been okay.
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  Speaker 1: Anyways, they just thought that. They just thought that weird.
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  Speaker 1: It was weird that the shower curtain was just perfectly
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  Speaker 1: in place.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and on top of that or secondly, her hair
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  Speaker 2: was brushed in front of her face and that hair
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  Speaker 2: was inside the noose itself, which they found to be.
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  Speaker 1: Odd because you wouldn't go hang yourself and put your
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: hair in front of your.
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  Speaker 2: Face and put the noose around.
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: And around your hair. You would have your hair would
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: be hanging back. Probably if if it was in front
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  Speaker 1: of your face, it would have flopped over that way,
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  Speaker 1: and it would have been outside the noose, not inside.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. On top of all that, she was in a
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: sweatshirt and sweat pants, and the sweat shirt had blood
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  Speaker 2: on it. To police, this indicated that something happened to
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: Michelle prior to her being hung there. And they also
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: found the knot was that was used to tie the
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: electrical cord that she was hanging from. They found it
• 12:12
  Speaker 2: to be more intricate of a k not tying like
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: a sailor, more.
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  Speaker 1: Of a skilled not tying than if you were if
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  Speaker 1: you were planning on doing this, I don't think unless
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  Speaker 1: you just unless person, you wouldn't make these fancy knots that's.
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  Speaker 2: Not would actually do the trick. Now. In addition, there
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  Speaker 2: were no fingerprints in the bathroom shower, indicating that someone
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: had worn gloves and possibly wiped down the area. Because
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  Speaker 2: there's no prints. There's not yeah, no no other person,
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  Speaker 2: no family members, prints, nothing.
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  Speaker 1: So investigators spoke to because if you're going to kill yourself,
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: you don't care if you leave fingerprints behind.
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: Trying to frame somebody, you wipe down the area and
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: make it look real suspicious.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, that didn't happen here, so investigators spoke
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: to Michelle's family and friends to try to understand more
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: about Michelle and see if they believe that. They already
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: think that she didn't kill herself, but they just want to.
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: See confirmed with the family and say.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe someone has spoke to her and she did seem
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  Speaker 1: sad or she was felt that she could do something
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  Speaker 1: like this. They told investigators that Michelle would not have
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  Speaker 1: done this because the most important thing to her were
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: her children. She was very involved in their lives and
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: she would not leave them like that. She was also
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: extremely involved in her church and her faith. Would that
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  Speaker 1: would not align with her faith to commit suicide. Yeah,
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: she was Christian, She would not. That just would not
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  Speaker 1: have happened. She also had tons of goals and ambitions.
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  Speaker 1: She had just ran a marathon and had qualified for
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  Speaker 1: the Boston Marathon, which she was very excited to compete
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  Speaker 1: in that race in the future. So here she is,
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: she's making she has goals, she's making plans for the future.
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  Speaker 1: None of this is supporting a suicide by Michelle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the theory is imploding on itself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so police are Everything that they're saying is confirming
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  Speaker 1: what the police believe that Michelle. There was foul play here,
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: that Michelle did not do this to herself. Now the autopsy,
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: so they sent her off to get an autopsy to
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: see what was going on, and it came back at
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: the manner of death was determined to be manually strangled.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: As well as being smothered. She had faces on or
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: scratches on her face indicating or like marks on her face,
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: bruising indicating someone had held something down on her face,
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: and then she also had the marks on her neck.
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  Speaker 2: So it was clear that this was no suicide.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Now, this was no suicide and someone staged it.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: So police are now invested in a homicide and they
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: start retracing Michelle's step leading up to her murder. They
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: knew that she had gone to dinner with some friends
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  Speaker 2: at about six pm and that she had left around
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  Speaker 2: seven fifty five pm. She was celebrating her qualification for
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: the Boston Marathon. Now the evening while she was out
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: at dinner. Brallio. The father did have the children, he
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: was watching them while she was out there having dinner
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: and whatever she was.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Doing celebrating her achievements a marathon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine. Now. The sister in law, which I
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: believe was Brollio's sister. She took the children to meet Michelle.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: Else would be it wouldn't have been Michelle's brother's wife
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: or sister's wife.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Could be it wasn't, Well, it wasn't. It was Brodio's sister.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Brought the children to a supermarket to do the exchange.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Anybody that's gone through a divorce knows that you can
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: do exchanges. Sometimes you have to have a third party
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: because tens tensions might be a little high at the exchange.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: After she picked the children up, she drove straight home
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  Speaker 2: and when speaking to the children, they said that in
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: the evening was normal. They did everything per used, They
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: got ready for bed, brush their teeth, they did their prayers,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: everything that Michelle had them do. They had the whole routine.
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  Speaker 2: They were in bed by nine pm.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty good timing for getting home around eight eight
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  Speaker 1: fifteen ish.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't. I mean, ours are go up till ten.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: If we get home at eighteen, well, I think the
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: oldest one might have been eleven or so.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Well, I guess they can function on his own.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Her twelve and that so she might have been able
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: to hustle them up. But that's so good timing.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, it is, especially for having four children.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: We're impressed, you know.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Police then pulled utility records for the home to find
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: out when the master bathroom shower had begun running. I
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: knew they could tell that your meter was off. I
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: didn't know that they could.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Tell STU was disturbed by this whole thing, but.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: That they can monitor you in such a well, I'm.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Sure each department's different. I don't feel like the one
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: in Louisiana was putting this much effort into it. But
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: maybe the one in the rich neighborhood in Virginia.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Was that their meet. I mean, I guess they know
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: when their meter starts running.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I guess they can trace it back the time.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I knew the one, and we had the one
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: in Karen Crow, and they would send me an email saying, hey,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: you'r water meters running?
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they had obviously had a time start and
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: stop because they would they would notify if you was
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: high water usage. That was unusual in case you had
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: a water leak, you know, to check for that. All
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: the time. It was just filling up our above ground.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Pool because we didn't keep it clean and we would
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: just like screw it, will empty it and restart. So
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: according to the records, it appeared that the shower had
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: started running about eleven thirty PM the night previous and
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: it was not shut off until seven thirty the morning
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: that they found.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it recorded every hour and every hour was
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: ninety five to one hundred gallons, which meant that's the
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: shower the rate that the shower runs. Yes, yeah, so
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: they now know that Michelle was murdered after eleven thirty
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: PM when the water began.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Running before and then somebody turned on the shower.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: No, they know that she was married. I'm not married. Murdered. No,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: they think the person turned it on, or they maybe
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: she turned it on. Yes, the person did it, but
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: they know they're later on they're going to determine if
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: she was murdered between eleven thirty and twelve midnight. That's
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: what they know right now. They know it's after eleven thirty.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: We'll let everybody know why they think it's between eleven
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: thirty and twelve coming up? Okay, why are you ringing everything?
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean she could have turned it on at
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: eleven thirty and then been murdered after eleven thirty. I
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: just step been martyred before eleven thirty, and then they
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: turned it on.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: There was no reason to turn it on. Why would
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: they turn it on at all to make it I
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: don't know. No, she turned it on. I'm assuming to
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: take a shower and then they murder her, is what
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I would think.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know that's true. That's your theory. Yes, just okay.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Anyway, if you want to smack you need to consider
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: he's hungry.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm getting very angry with you at the moment,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: young lady.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: You want to go head toe to toe on hangry
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: because you know, you know damn well I will win
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: that any day of the week.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Getting back to our story, Karen, police are like, Okay,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: we know she was strangled, we know there was some
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: violence leading up to this stage suicide thing. But what
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: they do is they get a tip from one of
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: the children. One of the children says, hell, they knew she.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Was smothered too, so they're looking for what she was
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: smothered with, what she.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Was smothered with, where in the house could this possibly happened?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: And one of the children says, hey, her bed is
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: not made like it's normally made.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And show was a anyonoey who runs a marathon. I
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: feel like it's like.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: A really like type a particular person.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Particular person. She seems real disciplined. So she made her Basically,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: she made her bed the same way every day, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the bed was made when the police went in. That's
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: why it didn't stand out to them until the child
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: said that and said it wasn't made the correct way.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Is something was different about it. And then also they
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: knew she was smothered, because you have to remember, this
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: is a ten thousand square foot house. As much as
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: we'd like to think that they could process the entire
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: place and dust for prints and do all this stuff
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: for a ten thousand square foot house in a the
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: highest of manner, they're just humans.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: So it's not the time or resources to do this.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: There's a it's helpful to be to say, okay, we're
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: looking in the right area where this crime took place.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so what the police dad was. They actually took
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: the entire bed, took it down to the crime lab
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: and bagged it all up, took it to the crime
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: lab to look at it, and they're finding that there's
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: blood stains on the pillows as well as the sheets.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Someone tried to hide these blood stains by making the
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: bed with.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't change the sheets out. It's like so stupid.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: I guess they were into her and they're like, I
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I got time to look for the sheets and take
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: the so.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna make the bed and hopefully they don't
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: look at it until at some point. But someone would
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: have found blood all over the bed and been like,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: what's going on here?
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: But by then that would have been like, hey, the
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: scene's been contaminated. You can't use that evidence.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I know, but I'm just saying, at some point, even
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: if after she if they thought she had committed suicide
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: or that's what they said and determined it, then they
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: would have went in the family, would have taken a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: part of the sheets and found blood like this isn't
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: adding up, guys, Like, but then we would have had
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: an apartment six o three All again.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: All that, police also found a doorstop, one of the
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: little spring of things that your kids and cats like
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: to play with, and that had blood on it, as
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: well as a clump of hair nearby. To further help
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: understand when Michelle was murdered, they brought in a cadaver
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: dog who would alert to where a dead body would
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: have been. Immediately, the dog goes to the basement where
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: she was found hanging, But the next place the dog
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: went was at the end of the bed in the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: master bedroom, indicating to police that they believe Michelle had
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: been murdered in that room and then carried downstairs.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Again, I'm guessing they probably I haven't always heard them
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: bringing in a dog like this. I'm guessing it is
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: because of the size of the house, Like you have
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: to have some sort of you have to treat this.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: That's a huge house.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's a lot of I can't even imagine that
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I look for to go over.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: And look through for blood stains and things like that.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they did look through it, but
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: it's just a massive amount. It'd be like someone getting
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: murdered in a church like massive. You would have to
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: have some sort of help with a dog or something
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: to try to indicate where this crime actually occurred.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: To further narrow down the time at which Michelle was murdered,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: they looked at her autopsy results and her food digestion,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: and they could pinpoint her murder sometime between eleven thirty
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: pm and midnight. They believe the killer waited for the
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: children to go to sleep and then attack Michelle in
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: her room, smothering her, strangling her, and then carrying her
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: down to the basement, and then staging the suicide.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, so we're already we're looking at someone who must
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: have been familiar enough with the children's routine. And again,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: it sounds like if Michelle makes her bed the same
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: way every morning, Michelle probably does everything else on the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: same schedule, so the children probably are always in bed
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: by that time. But if she got arrived home after
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: their normal bedtime, she would they would have been in
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: bed pretty soon after. Not like us, we go all free.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: We'll be like I'm tired, I don't feel like put
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: them to bed now. Next thing you know, they're going
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: to bed at like ten.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Thirty, hanging off the walls because they got their second wind.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, so they continue to look for more evidence, any
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: eyewitnesses that might have seen someone enter the home. However,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: due to the time of night, no one saw anything. However,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: they did find someone that had a security camera on
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the outside of their home that lived across the street.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Remember this is twenty fourteen. It is a nice neighborhood,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: they're probably going to have cameras, but it's not like today.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Like literally we've talked about this. I think every every
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: we live in a normal neighborhood, in.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Every cameras, yeah, motion cameras, ring doorbells well.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: And also I feel like if you are live in
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: a really nice neighborhood, because if you have a house
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: this big, you're probably they probably lived in a gated community.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: These houses are not just on you know, open to everybody.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: They probably have a sense of false sense of security
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: as well, that nothing bad is going to happen. So
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: maybe they're not investing in cameras everywhere they had. We'll
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: find out they did have an alarm system, but they
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: it didn't appear that they had any cameras on outside
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: of the home.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Or that they had even Oh yes, yes.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, Stu, whatever you're gonna say.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Just stop saying it.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: So with this security footage, they were able to confirm
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: what they believed, which was Michelle arrived home around eight
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: fifteen that night and no one appeared to enter the
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: home after that. However, they rewind the footage and are
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: able to I'm not I'm gonna say this so that
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: you can say your part, Stuart, however, that I'm just
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: getting through this point and then we can we can
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: go on. However, they rewind the footage and are able
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: to see that someone was jogging up to the house
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: prior to Michelle arriving. Therefore the killer was Actually it
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: was even creepier. It's this disturbing thing where someone is
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: waiting in your home to kill you, Like this is
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: like something out of a horror movie. Yes, but Stu
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: would like to well, okay, so the police officer that was.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: The detector, that was the detective that was on the show, Yes,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: he was like, I watched the footage. I watched it
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: all the way from whatever time to whatever time. I
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: just didn't see anything happening. He's like, it tormented me
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: for however, many days finally broke down. My wife saw
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I was being tormented. I told her what the problem.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Was, and she was like, maybe they went into the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: house before.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe they went into the house before eleven thirty pm.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: And then I'm starting to think, well, how season of
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: An officer argued that you couldn't what you wouldn't watch
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the whole video to find out.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: When why wouldn't you think of why would your wife
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: have to tell you this. You're a detective.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a season he was the one from Jersey or whatever.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: He's a season detective. He's like, yeah, my wife told
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: me this, and it was like it was like a
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: light bulb moment.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Well, the theory was that he would have never He
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: probably never admitted that to his co police investigators at
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the time. But now he's being interviewed on the case
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: with Paula's on and he's like, oh, fuck, I'm never
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: going to hear the end of this, so I don't
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: let them know that.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: And he's like, he's like, I gotta I gotta say.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I can't say that I came up with this on
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: my own because I'll be divorced because my wife will
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: like be pissed if I don't tell the truth about how.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I Actually, he had to out himself, so I had
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to out a divorced Yeah, that's our theory. I mean,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: we don't know if that's true or not.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Still I still question his detective credentials.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So now they have the killer on video surregulance. However,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: it is very difficult to see who it is. Again,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: it's black and white video it's grainy, it's nighttime. It's
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: hard to see. They can make out that it appears
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to be a mill and he's wearing gray sweatpants and
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: a dark colored sweatshirt, but that is the extent of it.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: They see the man again, leaving around twelve thirty after
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the murder occurred, again confirming what they believed by the
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: evidence in the home from the running water and the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: autopsy with the food digestion.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, as they're trying to look for a motive,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: they look around for any signs of burglary, forest entry,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: any of that. Now it appears that whoever did this
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: to Michelle either let themselves in or they knew how
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: to get into the house. Well, she either she let
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: them in or they let themselves in because they knew
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: how to.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Well, obviously they know now she didn't let them in
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: because they know who it is. Well, no, they know
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that he whoever it was a ride before her. Yes,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: So unless he was sitting there waiting at the door.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: For her to let him in, so yes, and which
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: she wasn't.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Basically what it comes down to, it was someone familiar
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: with the home.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, very familiar because the Yeah, because they're thinking that
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: she let him in or they knew about the house
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: because the alarm system was not triggered. They also know
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the person that did this would have also known the
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: schedule of the children to know that they were all
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: asleep at the time. So now they need to look
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: within her, in her circle and the people that she
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: knew to see who might have harmed her. So, Kara,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you know who? They start with the mom, Yes, the
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: her mother. So they start looking at the relationships around Michelle,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: starting with the estranged husband, Bradio. On the day that
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Michelle was found murdered, she was actually due to finalize
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: her divorce from Brallio, which is obviously a red flag
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: for police. They find out that the couple had been
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: married for seventeen years, Kara, seventeen years? Is this where
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: we're head from?
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Two years?
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Damn? They had two adoptive children, and then after that
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: they had three biological three biological children together. Michelle had
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: filed for divorce the year before. Brallo moved out during
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: that time, but he moved onto a home. It was
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: just a few blocks away so that he could remain
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: close to the children, which seems nice.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's what he said.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: As the couple.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what he says to be close to the children,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: But we're going to learn probably wasn't the reason.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: When speaking to her friends, they find out that she
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: had complained of verbal abuse and threats from Bralio, and
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: that he even that she had even sought a protective
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: order to keep him away from her. She told her
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: friends that if something happened to her, then they need
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: to start looking at old Brallio because he had issues.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: They also discovered that leading up to the divorce, Bralio
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: had gotten himself into some financial issues. He had a
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: tech company and he claimed a veteran status, which allowed
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: him to receive five hundred million dollars KARA over a
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: period of time from government money.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm guessing it's like these small business loans that
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: are that they earmark a certain amount towards veterans, veteran
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: owned businesses, women owned businesses, and so then if you're
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: lying about that, then you're going they're gonna be like,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: give us the money back.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Because Kara in two thousand, it had been discovered that
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: in twenty twelve that is a veteran status. Years around
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: that Sketchy he had attended a military preparatory school for
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: a few months, and that was what he used to
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: claim his veteran status. However, I'm not even sure if
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: that counts that this preparatory No.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: It doesn't. Again with it doesn't count.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: It was just but on top of the preparatory school,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: he'd only been there for ten months and dropped out
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: after he heard his ankle while playing football. They also
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: find out that in the divorce proceedings, Michelle was requesting
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars per year and
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: spousal support.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, and so if they're going to finalize their divorce
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: that day, that means that what she requested. Someone said, yes,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: you can have that, so he is. His technic company
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: has now gone defunct in the last year and a
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: half due to him lying, and I guess it wasn't
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: doing well to begin with. And then now he's also
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: going to be out one hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Annually and on the hook for giving the government back
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: their money.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, for spousal support. I don't even know if that
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: includes child support. That's spousal support.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, this guy's looking at.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: He could be looking at two hundred and fift thousand.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Million dollars a year. Yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Now with this information, they head over to talk to
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Bralio and immediately signs that he was involved in some
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: sort of altercation. He had bruising on his face as
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: well as cuts on his hands. Now, when they tried
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: to speak to him, he immediately shut down and said
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: that his lawyer told him not to speak to them,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: which is not unusual. He he's dealing in a wealthier
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: tax brackets and they ain't gonna talk.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: They anytime they come actually saying, hey, we think you
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: did a murderer. You need to be quiet and get
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: a lawyer.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I guess, well, yeah, you need to, But I feel
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: like in that they're used to dealing with lawyers. Whenever,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the more money you have, the probably more you're dealing
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: with lawyers and stuff. So you have a contact if
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: you're if you're poorer, you're not going to just be
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: like you're who do I even call?
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: You?
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Know?
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I don't have a lawyer. Yeah, I don't have to look.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I'd have to look on a billboard for our truck
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: crash or I don't even know who i'd look for.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I think it just if you're not used to dealing
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: with lawyers all the time in your day to day life,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: like people with lots of money do. You're not going
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: to think immediately to contact lawyer, but you should if
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: someone thinks you're gonna you murder somebody, doesn't matter if
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: it makes you look guilty or not, just call the.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Get the especially if you ain't done it, get the especially.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Staying appointed one or whatever. Anyway, So he's like, you'll
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: have to talk to my lawyer if you would like
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: to speak to me. So, unable to speak to Bralio,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: they obtained a search, weren't retrieved his cell phone. Now,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: on that cell phone they found notes of him stalking Michelle,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: having her followed by either himself or somebody he had hired,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: like a private investigator, stalking her, looking at her everyday movements.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: The whoever that was was sending him notes every day,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: So he had all those notes on his phone.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Who she went to lunch with, Yeah, where she was
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: at what time?
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Which that's why he probably wanted to live down the
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: street from her so he could continue to be creepy. Yes,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: so he did this for about a year. Ever since
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: they split up and we're going through divorce proceedings now
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: What, yeah, brobably, I would just he wasn't a person
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: that took the divorce.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Uh, he's a controlling person.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: He's a controlling person, and he's like no.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: And mainly also because he's going to be out all
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: this money. That's probably he obviously was. That's what's got
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: him in trouble in the first place, was trying to
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: get a bunch of money from the government. And now
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: so it was clear to authorities that Bradio was involved
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: with his soon to be ex wife's murder in some way.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: They were able to get a get a DNA sample
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: from him, and then they were able to compare it
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: to that blood found on Michelle's clothes as well as
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the pillow, and there was a match to Bralio. So
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: there was absolutely no reason why he should have his
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: blood should have been there, because if she's getting a
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: protective order, she's definitely not letting him come over and
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: sit in her bed.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Well. Also, whenever they were doing the investigation, they were like,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: has Brallio been in this house? And they're like, absolutely not.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: She would not allow him in the house. There's no
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: reason for that blood to be in this house whatsoever.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, I was six going to get into that too,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: so you're welcome. They also found out that Bradio had
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: his eleven year old son, because they're wondering. So if
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: you're wondering, how did he So they're obviously separated there,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: obviously there's animosity, there's obviously issues. Michelle scared of him.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: How did he get into the alarm system without triggering
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: that alarm? And it's because he bribed his eleven year
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: old son into giving him the security codes, which the
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: child at the time didn't know. He's just like, my
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: dad's asking for this, you know. He trusted his father.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: On top of that, the oldest son reviewed the surveillance
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: video and he believed who he was watching because the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: oldest son was quite a few years older than the
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: other kids, he was already moved out of the home.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: He was one of the two adopts.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he looks at it and he's like, yeah,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: that's my dad running away. And then the last major
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: clue that they had was after interviewing the children, one
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: of the younger Castillo children said that they saw their
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: father in the home that evening, even though Braleo claimed
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: he had not been in the home in over a year,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: so they've got his blood apparently. I'm wondering that's where
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: they don't really know what happened that evening, but the
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: one child did say he saw him. But if he
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: hadn't been in the house in a year, there's no
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: way that kid would have seen him or remembered seeing
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: him at all, you know, and there's.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: No way the blood would have been a bible.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm wondering if he showed up at the house,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: he wasn't hiding. My thought was that maybe he wasn't
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: hiding that he showed up at the house, but I
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: would have thought she would call the police. So I
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: don't know how. Maybe the kid found him and he's like,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: don't tell anybody because it was one of the smaller kids.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: So you could trick one of your smaller kids into
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, well, if it's you, well no, if
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: it's you, they're definitely telling on h Yeah, remember that
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: one time, Anica was like she was like there was
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: a woman in the house.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes, yes.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Who was And I was like what and she's like, yeah,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: there was a woman in the house, a lady in
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: the house. And then I was like, you didn't tell
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: me this stuff. I can't remember what it was about
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: insurance or now.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I was the lady that came over to do the
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: plumbing thing. The plumbing thing we had the broken Oh now.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: You're kind of can't remember the stories too.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: She came in looked because the because I was trying
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: to take that piece out, that peace got caught up
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: in the So.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: It was a lady plumber. Yeah, that's what you want
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: me to believe.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, she wanted me to inspector pipes.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Anyways, wouldn't you rather her inspect your pipe?
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so now they for sure have Brallio. They
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: have now the children as a witness, they have the
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: security code situation, and they have DNA evidence.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Brallio was arrested and charged with Michelle's murder. He went
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: on trial, continuing to break proclaim his innocense, and he
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: even took the stand in his own defense. He claimed
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: that him and Michelle were still amicable and they were
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: just trying to work things out for their family.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Which is so stupid, because there if she got a
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: protective worder, that means that there's actual pull.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: It was not amicable.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's police reports, there's other things that she had
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: to document to get this completed.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the divorce was going to be finalized that day,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: So police ain't buying it. Jerry definitely not buying it.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: He was found guilty and he was sentenced to life
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: in prison. At the sentencing, his oldest son was able
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: to speak to him in the victim impact statement and
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: let the judge know that they do not stand behind
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: their father, and he was basically speaking on part on
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: behalf of the entire family. Bralio is currently being housed
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: in the Buckingham Correctional Center. After Michelle's murder, the four
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: younger children were placed in the custody of one of
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: her friends, who she had signed a document stadium that
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: they would be the guardians back in twenty ten. The
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: friends were finally able to officially adopt the children in twenty.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Twenty four, twenty ten years.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: After ten years after the murders. They had to wait
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: until the criminal trial was completely over with before they
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: could even start.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: The Bralio's ass was locked up before they could. Yeah,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: so this took a long time, but they were in
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: their custody at the whole time, and they I read
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: in a news article, and then they said that they
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: the kids had now, which I feel bad. I always
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: feel bad for this situation because the mom has passed
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: away or you know, was murdered and things like that. Yeah,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and then you always feel bad because they they have
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: but you want them to also be feel like that's
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: their mom, their new mom, you know. And so they
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: did want to have the same last name as the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: family that their adoptive family and things like that, but
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: you do feel bad for the mom which they were
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: sharing the last name of their father. So I do
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: understand that, but they wanted to get rid of that
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: last name, that last name. But you just you hope
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that whoever your kids, if that happened, your kids go
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to are treated just like that. She treats her, your
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: kids just like if they were her own, and they
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: start seeing her as a mom. But you do feel
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: sad for the biological mom who got murdered.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: That now her and that relationship that they will not have.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, and it's had to be transferred over to another
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: person for.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Them to have because Brawley al was an asshole, yes.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: And a greedy one at that.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Anyways, all right, that is our case for this week. STU,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: do you have a yeall need Jesus?
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I always have a yell need Jesus Kara.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Because I need a snack plate. I'm getting angry.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a snack baby.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Oh god, you know you're a full mill Wow. Wow
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: actually your Thanksgiving dinner?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Oh? All seven choruses?
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Yep? Are you ready?
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I am ready? Man hijack's construction crane causing several car
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: crashes and prolonged closure of interstate, according to police. Comes
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: to us from The New York Post, published published August seventeenth,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five by Zoe Hussein Florida or.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Not Florida, not Florida.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: A Louisiana man was arrested after Al Florida was arrested
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: after allegedly hijacking hijacking a construction crane and blocking traffic
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: on ten, triggering a series of car crashes that left
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: two people injured and led to a prolong road closure.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Matthew Vincent, aged thirty seven, of Venton, Louisiana, was taken
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: into custody Saturday after police received multiple reports of cars
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: crashing into a work zone at around five thirty am
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: on Ien near Louisiana Highway one oh eight. When cops arrived,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: they found the crane sitting in the median with its
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: cables hanging over the westbound lanes. The cable struck a
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: passing vehicle, which led to three more collisions and a
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: wild scene.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: According to police, Yeah, because it's five thirty in the morning,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: you're not this meet heart. It's me dark out, Yeah yeah,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I mean there's lights on the interstate, but it's me dark.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, expecting mish. No construction was underway at the time
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: of the collision, and no known crew members were manning
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: the crane when it caused the highway pile up. Detectives
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: eventually discovered a ram pickup truck keyfob inside the crane
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: and found a truck matching it in a field south
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: of By ten near the crash site. Vincent had driven
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the truck off the highway into the field before getting stuck,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: then fled on foot across the interstate MS drunk, it
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: sounds like it, and then he unlawfully entered the crane.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Authorities later determined once inside he drunk quite possibly or
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: just a drunk and a complete idiot, which are terrible combination.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Once inside the crane, Vincent allegedly moved the crane's boom
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: arm onto the roadway, causing major damage to the piece
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: of equipment, obstructing the roadway, and causing a prolonged closure
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: of the Interstate. Four crashes left two people in The
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: crane jacker they call him a crane jacker now was
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: located and arrested near the scene. Authorities are now investigating
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: whether Vincent had an accomplice for the bumbling act. LSP.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: That'd be Louisiana State Police. Their care detectives are still
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: investigating this incident and looking into the possibility of an accomplice.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Anyone who may have been in the area prior to
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: the incident and observed suspicious activity is urged to contact LSP.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Vincent was charged with one count of simple burglary aggravated
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: as obstruction of a highway, criminal mischief and pedestrian on
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: the Interstate, and two counts of negligent injuring and five
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: counts of hit and run driving. He was booked in
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: a Calcashue Correctional Center on Saturday morning. His bond was
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: set at thirty five hundred dollars.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: What I guess he's not really a danger.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: No, he's a danger. He's an idiot.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he's an idiot, but he's not going
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to go out and like murder somebody.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Well you don't know that. He could be like, oh
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: my life is over. I might as well just go
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: down and flaze a goory.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: All right, Well that is our y'all need Jesus for
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: this week?
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Stu.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Do you have anything else? I'm fading fast, I'm hungry.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: What we gotta go eat something? We're like, we should
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: have had a snack before we do?
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, surprised nobody er must not maach grumbling.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So all right, I guess that's it and we
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: will see you next time. By Wednesday by Steve Steve,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: don't you.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Know it's bad to be SUPERSTI shots by nothing else.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: It's working, it's sick, it's worthy.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Ca