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037 - Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S3 E9 · Reality Hits Mat

• Michelle Harris: Welcome back to Reality Hits Matt. I'm your host, Michelle. And I'm Matt. Mat: And I'm Matt. Michelle Harris: This is a podcast where I watch reality TV and my husband reacts in case anyone's new here and hasn't joined us since season one of Secret Lives Mormon Mat: Season one of season four. Michelle Harris: Wives. But yeah, I watch reality T V. Matt does not like watching reality TV, wants nothing to do with it. Mat: I don't watch any reality T V but I do not mind you telling me about it and it's kinda funny so Michelle Harris: He loves the drama. He just doesn't want to see it for himself. So, anyway, today we Mat: Yeah, I don't want to watch it. Michelle Harris: will be talking about season three, episode nine Mat: Season three, episode nine. Michelle Harris: of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. One more to go after this. One more to go. And then we'll do our recap. And then we'll be in and then we'll be in season four, which is is currently Mat: One more to go after this. One more to go. All right, great. our recap. The full season recap. then we'll be in season four which is is Michelle Harris: the most recent season. Okay. Mat: Okay. Season five will be coming out at some point. I don't think they've set the release date yet. Okay. And we know that they're filming for season six. Okay. So we've caught up to where when we started season one, they aired season four. right, okay. So yeah. So we have done Michelle Harris: Season five will be coming out at some point. I don't think they've sent the release date yet. Okay. And we know that they're filming for season six right now. So it's a lot, but we've caught up to where when we started season one, they aired season four. Right, okay. So we have done a lot of legwork to get a caught up to this point. And now we're getting into a lot of more recent stuff Mat: So Michelle Harris: that I kind of, you know, was aware of when I was watching Dancing with the Stars, so that's interesting. And we're definitely getting into a realm of it's almost a show about the show now, if that makes sense. Like and I think let's we'll talk about it more this episode. But I think that's gonna continue into season four as well. Mat: Yeah. Right. And we're definitely getting into a realm of it's almost a show about the show now, if that makes sense. Like and I think about it more this episode. Okay. Yeah, I I don't know what you're talking about. Okay. Well hopefully we can get through season four before season five comes out. I hope so. If not like halfway through the majority of it done. Michelle Harris: I hope so. If not like halfway through maybe we'll like power through four and we can do more of cliff notes like Let's Marry Harry. But but I say that but I'm really excited about season four. So we'll see. Let's get to this let's get through this episode and see where it goes from there. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. We just did Let's Marry Harry. We did. And I Mat: But I say that but I'm really excited about season four. All right. I'm gonna do a really quick recap today because we just did Let's Marry Harry and I have a lot going on in my mind about that and more names added. And yeah, so last week, season three, episode eight, the girls were getting ready for press. Michelle Harris: Season three, episode eight. The girls were getting ready for press. Whitney Mat: Whitney confronts Demi about a lot of the stuff that's going on because also the timelines are so crazy and that's kind of confusing me because they were recording the reunion, but it they were halfway through recording for season three. So Whitney didn't know about a lot of the stuff that Demi was saying and doing. So there was like the voice note that Jen had. Michelle Harris: Demi about a lot of the stuff that's going on because also the timelines are so crazy. It is and that's kind of confusing me 'cause they were recording the reunion, but it they were halfway through recording for season three. So Whitney didn't know about a lot of the stuff that Demi was saying and doing. Yep. So there was like the voice note that Jen had. Yep. so Whitney confronts Demi on that and Demi kinda has answers for a lot of things. Mat: so Whitney confronts Demi on that and Demi kinda has answers for a lot of things, but she didn't know about the voice note. Connor is like fully on like fully backing Whitney, like yeah, Demi is like definitely in the wrong like Yeah, his wife. Yeah, but I think Whitney is not she's like confused still. Well I think she gets more like Michelle Harris: but you didn't know about the voice note. Right. Connor is like fully on like fully backing Whitney. Like yeah, Demi is like definitely on the wrong fully backing Whitney. Yeah, his wife. Yeah, but I think Whitney is not she's like confused still. Well I think he's more like Mat: She like comes around but like he's like fully like against Emmy like Michelle Harris: Yeah, and like he's supporting her in what she wants to do, but he's challenging her, I think. Like well then at the like it's around to where like he's like Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is a quick recap Wow Wow, you guys see what I have to live with, fine, okay. yeah. Mat: She wants to do, but he's challenging her. Okay. Well then at the like it comes around to where like he's like, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. This is a quick recap. Wow, you must see the floor. yeah, and then the Taylor Dakota thing at the end comes out. Taylor's heading out and she gets a call from no, she calls her sister to tell her about The call she got from her therapist. Yeah, and that's it. and then that's the that's that. Don't come on. And that that's my recap. Okay. All right, let's move on. Tell us about episode nine. Episode Michelle Harris: The call she got from her therapist. Yeah, and that's it. and then that's the that's that. Don't. Come on now. I'm not saying anything anymore. Great recap. That's my recap. Okay, great. Love it. Let's move on. Episode nine, the book of judgment. Mat: nine, the book of judgment. Michelle Harris: I feel so judged right now. We're judging each other. my gosh. Okay. Mat: man. All right. We're judging each other. Yeah. I feel targeted. Michelle Harris: Ha ha All right, let's get into it. so the girls arrive in LA for the press minus Jesse and Layla. They are in New York for press there. So they're gonna be joining the other girls late. So Yeah, they're just all over the place. Like probably like Good Morning America, New York flying out. Yeah, talk shows and and all that. Mat: So they're gonna be joining other girls late. So so it's like dual press, LA, New York, they're just everywhere. like talk shows and stuff. Okay. Okay. Taylor says that she has a huge day ahead of her with press and she has Jimmy Kimmel live tonight. Okay. She says that what was supposed to be an exciting night was ruined by Dakota. Yeah, I'd say so. Michelle Harris: Taylor says that she has a huge day ahead of her with press and she has Jimmy Kimmel live tonight. She says that what was supposed to be an exciting night was ruined by Dakota. So she says that all of these big milestones have always been ruined by Dakota. And we do even see that and know that he tried to sabotage Mat: we do even see that and know that he tried to sabotage Michelle Harris: her. Bachelorette premiere when all that stuff came out when he dropped the video. He has consistently used these big moments to drop news, to let it leak, to you know, all this stuff to kind of fuck with her Mat: Mirror when all that stuff came out when he dropped the video has consistently used these big moments to drop news to let it leave to right, right? All this stuff to kind of fuck with Michelle Harris: brain. Mat: her brain. Okay, geez. She says that if she could get out of all the press, she would, and she even thought about not coming at all. Michelle Harris: She says that if she could get out of all the press she would and she even thought about not coming at all and just everything has been ruined and she doesn't know how she's gonna get through this week. Mat: and just everything has been ruined and she doesn't know how she's gonna get through this week. Okay. All the girls are getting ready at her and makeup and then Denise comes in the room, so Taylor's like getting ready and doing her and can see Denis in the mirror. Is this the right Michelle Harris: All the girls are getting ready in hair and makeup and then Demi comes in the room, so Taylor's like getting ready and she's doing her own makeup and can see Demi in the mirror and like Demi was like, Is this the right room? And later Taylor was like, Yeah, I was like, Come on in, girl, like get in here and like Taylor seems unfazed by Demi being there, probably 'cause she has too much on her plate. So she does say hi to her and she says that she has too much shit to worry about. Mat: Taylor seems unfazed by Demi being there, probably 'cause she has too much on her plate. Right. And she says that she has too much shit to worry about. Okay. Jen says that the vibes are off in an interview. And my god. I don't know what it is, but everything that Jen says annoys me. And the way she says it. And she goes, yeah, the vibes are totally off. Michelle Harris: Jen says that the vibes are off in an interview. And my god. I don't know what it is, but everything that Jen says annoys me. And the way she says it. And she goes, yeah, the vibes are totally off there. And I'm like, I don't know. I just not the biggest Jen fan. Yeah, Mat: Your vibes are off, Jen. Michelle Harris: pretty much. And she hopes that press doesn't end in a bloodbath. Okay. So this was a very quick Mat: And she hopes that press doesn't end in a bloodbath. Okay. So this was a very quick beginning. The intro plays and when we come back, Whitney goes into Miranda's room to say hi to her. Michelle Harris: beginning, the intro plays, and when we come back, Whitney goes into Miranda's room to say hi to her. Miranda says that she doesn't have an issue with Whitney, but she is skeptical about how close Whitney and Demi are, so she kinda like is keeping Whitney at an arm's length. She says that maybe if they can get Whitney out of her own head, they can show her the side of Demi that they are all seeing. Mat: Miranda says that she doesn't have an issue with Whitney, but she is skeptical about how close Whitney and Demi are, so she kinda like is keeping Whitney at an arm's length. Okay. She says that maybe if they can get Whitney out of her own head, they can show her the side of Denis that they are on. All right. Whitney tells Miranda about the dinner. Michelle Harris: Whitney tells Miranda about the dinner with Demi. Whitney tells Miranda that she wanted to create a safe space for Demi to tell her side of the story. She says that she takes these accusations very seriously and she's gonna continue to do so. Miranda hopes that Whitney wasn't swayed by Demi because Demi can have a way with words. Mat: She wanted to create a safe space for Denis to tell her side of the story. She says that she takes these accusations very seriously and she's going to continue to do so. Miranda hopes that Whitney wasn't swayed by Denis because Denis can have a way with words. Okay. Whitney tells Miranda that she left the dinner feeling okay with Denis, but then after talking with Connor more, she's confused because Connor pointed out how some of what Denis is saying doesn't make sense. Whitney said Michelle Harris: Whitney tells Miranda that she left the dinner feeling okay with Demi, but then after talking with Connor more, she's confused because Connor pointed out how some of what Demi is saying doesn't make sense. Whitney says Mat: She Michelle Harris: she doesn't know how to support Demi when she doesn't feel like Demi was being one hundred percent honest. Miranda points out that that's why all these girls have such a big issue with her, because the accusations are being thrown out there, while Mat: doesn't know how to support Demi when she doesn't feel like Demi was being 100% honest. Miranda points out that that's why all these girls have such a big issue with her. Yeah. Because the accusations are being thrown out there, while it may seem like the girls are turning a blind eye to assault, it can be life-ruining if the accusations are whatever's out there isn't 100% the Michelle Harris: It may seem like the girls are turning a blind eye to assault. It can be life ruining if the accusations are whatever's out there isn't 100% the truth. Right, right. Whitney in an interview says that what's happening between Demi and Marciano is not affecting her relationship with Demi, so she is gonna be good with Demi. Okay. And we'll keep supporting her. I Mat: Right, right. Whitney in an interview says that what's happening between Demi and Marciano is not affecting her relationship with Demi, so she is gonna be good with Demi. And we'll keep supporting her. Alright. I Michelle Harris: find that Troubling that you're going to say just because I'm not in the middle of this drama, I'm gonna be okay with it, and I'm just gonna still be friends with her. But what if she actually is making something up that could be potentially life ruining to someone else? I Mat: That you're going to say just because I'm not in the middle of this drama, I'm gonna be okay with it and I'm just gonna still be friends with her. But what if she actually is making something up that could be potentially life-ruining to someone else? Right. I hope Michelle Harris: hold my friends to a moral standard. Mat: Hold my friends to a moral standard. Yeah. And wouldn't want to be associated with someone doing that, hope my friends me. Right. Well, I mean, there's more to it. There's the Jesse thing, like telling Marciano what to say. Yeah. Like, that's shitty. Telling Jen what to say, telling Marciano what to say. Yeah. Making like potentially making up the sexual know one hundred percent there. Michelle Harris: And wouldn't want to be associated with someone doing that and I would hope my friends would do the same to me, you know? Like I think there's more to it. There's the Jesse thing, like telling Marciana what to say. Yeah. Like that's shitty. Telling Jen what to say, telling Marciana what to say, making like potentially making up the sexual assault. We don't know one hundred percent what happened there. All this stuff. It's like Mat: stuff it's like it's just a lot. Yeah. It's like wouldn't you want to get to the bottom of that? Yeah, just brush it off. Well I'm just gonna be friends with her. Michelle Harris: It's just a lot. And it's like, why wouldn't you want to get to the bottom of that? Yeah, just brush it off. Yeah. So Miranda says Demi is making it seem like the girls are turning a blind eye to assault, and regardless of how icky and sleazy she thinks Marciano is, that type of accusation, if not accurate, can ruin his reputation. The g so they end the conversation, but Mat: says to me is making it seem like the girls are turning a blind eye to assault, and regardless of how achy and sleazy she thinks Marciano is, that type of accusation, if not accurate, can ruin his reputation. Yeah. The g so they end the conversation, but I think Miranda is seeing that Whitney is kind of Michelle Harris: I think Miranda is seeing that Whitney is kind of in like she doesn't know right now. Like she's still trying to figure it out and she's still trying to figure out how to proceed with her relationship with Demi. Mat: in like she doesn't know right now. Like she's still trying to figure it out. Okay. And she's still trying to figure out how to proceed with her relationship with Jennifer. Okay. Alright. So the girls are all in a van on the way to press and it's Michaela Michelle Harris: So the girls are all in a van on the way to press and it's Michaela Macy, Miranda, Taylor, and Jen in one big van and then Whitney and Demi are traveling separate to all these things. So apparently it's gotten out that the girls can't get along together. And so they have a few group interviews to do together, but then a lot of it is gonna be separate between those girls going to do a press and Whitney and Demi going to do their own press. Mat: Macy, Miranda, Taylor, and Jen in one big van and Whitney and Demi are traveling separate. Okay. So apparently it's gone out that the girls can't get along together. And so they have a few group interviews to do together, but then a lot of it is gonna be separate, okay. Between those girls going to do a press and Whitney and Demi and Press. Alright. Michelle Harris: They're in the car and Macy is asking Taylor if Dakota is gonna come out and Taylor says that she doesn't know. Macy says that the last time they were out for press, Dakota kept sabotaging each of her interviews right Mat: They're in the car and Macy is asking Taylor if Dakota is gonna come out and Taylor says that she doesn't know. Macy says that the last time they were out for press, Dakota kept sabotaging everybody's reason. Michelle Harris: before she would go out. Taylor tells the girls that she almost didn't come to press because of the drama with Dakota and they ask what they're fighting about and she says that she's not ready and can't talk about it right now. But the girls are like, how convenient that he decided to fight with you. Yeah. So Mat: Taylor tells the girls that she almost didn't come to press because of the drama with Dakota and they ask what they're fighting about and she she's not ready and can't talk about it or anything. Okay. But the girls are like, how convenient that he decided to Yeah, during press again. Yeah. So they're not impressed. Michelle Harris: They're not impressed. In the car with Whitney and Demi, Whitney is talking about how they put tapins in her hair and she goes, but these aren't Jay Jay-Z. I rush I refuse. So she is Mat: In the car with Whitney and Demi, Whitney is talking about how they put tapins in her hair and she goes, but these aren't Jay Jay Z, I r I refuse. So she Michelle Harris: not supportive of Jesse and her hair, I guess. Mat: Right, right. Okay. Michelle Harris: And I know I don't think she's ever had Jay Z I know she used to go get her hair done there, but Mat: Okay. Michelle Harris: I don't think I think it was more for filming and like getting it styled than it was like going to get her hair done. Yeah. Yeah. And she's actually, since moving to Mat: styled then it's not like actual extensions and stuff yeah okay and she's actually since moving to Michelle Harris: New York, invested in another friend's hair extension company. Mat: invested in another friend's hair center. Okay, all right. Demi asked how her conversation with Miranda went so she knows that. Michelle Harris: Demi asks how her conversation with Miranda went, so she knows that Whitney went to go talk to Miranda. Whitney tells Demi that the girl's opinions are not gonna change and maybe some of Demi's thoughts she should keep to herself. So I think what Whitney's trying to say is like Mat: Whitney tells Denise the girls' opinions are not gonna change and maybe some of Denise thoughts she should keep to herself. So I think what Whitney's trying to say is like Michelle Harris: you're not gonna sway their opinion. So your strong personality and stance online should maybe be kinda held back 'cause she does comment on a lot of things and she puts a lot of stuff out there. And so I think Whitney is trying to nicely tell 'cause I Mat: you're not gonna sway their opinion. Right. Strong personality and stance online should maybe be kinda held back. Yeah. Comment on a lot of things and she puts a lot of stuff out there. Right, right. 'Cause I Michelle Harris: I had to rewatch that scene a couple of times 'cause I wasn't sure what the advice was that Whitney was trying to give her about her thoughts should be kept to herself. And I think that's what it is, is that listen, like by you comment Mat: Seen a couple of times 'cause I wasn't sure what the advice was that Whitney was trying to give her about her thoughts. Should he kept her and I think that's what it is, is that listen, like by you commenting Michelle Harris: commenting or you putting more out there, it's not gonna change these girls' opinions. So don't waste your energy doing it. Like just figure out a way to move on from this because it's just not it's it's not gonna change. Mat: or you putting more out there, it's not gonna change these girls' opinions. Right. Don't waste your energy doing it. Like just figure out a way to move on from this. Yeah. Because it's just not it's it's not gonna change. Right, right. Michelle Harris: and she says they are valid in how they feel. Mat: And she says they are valid in how they feel. So she does tell Demi that the girls are valid in their feelings about what's going on. And Demi didn't push back on Whitney when she said that. So I thought that that was a good thing that Whitney was trying to be like in the middle. Yeah. Michelle Harris: So she does tell Demi that the girls are valid in their feelings about what's going on. And Demi didn't push back on Whitney when she said that. So I thought that that was a good thing that Whitney was trying to be like, you know, in the middle. Demi Demi says what is frustrating is that this affects none of the girls yet they are sitting around talking about it. Mat: Me says what is frustrating is that this affects none of the girls, yet they are sitting around talking about it. I don't agree that especially when you posted a story saying that the women aren't supportive. Right. You also brought Jesse into all of this drama with Marciano and all that shit. Michelle Harris: I don't agree with that, especially when you posted a story saying that the women aren't supportive. Right. You also brought Jesse into all of this drama with Marciano and encouraged him to come out with all that shit. So it does affect the other girls and now you're creating a narrative that it should just be the focus of your assault, supposedly. And they should support you. Mat: So it does affect the other girls and now you're creating a narrative that it should just be the focus of your assault, supposedly. Right. And they should support you and understand that and the actual of the supposed assault doesn't affect them. Right. It's like sh it's almost like she's rewriting the thing. She never had Marciano tell the lies about him and Jesse hooking. Michelle Harris: and understand that and the actual act of the supposed assault doesn't affect them. Right. It's like sh it's almost like she's rewriting the history that happened here and it's like I'm I'm not had Marciano tells about him and Jesse the Right and yes Jesse. Yeah, I d I don't understand that. Mat: Up and yeah, it's just it's just her story, how she wants to tell it. Okay. Alright. Back to the van, Miranda tells the girls that. Michelle Harris: Back to the van, Miranda tells the girls that Whitney came into her room to talk to her and the girls wish that Demi would just admit that she was flirty with Marciano and it would look way better for her. So they're at the point where they're like instead of backing all this up, she should have just owned that she was being flirtatious and even Miranda's like Mat: So they're at the point where they're like instead of backing all this up, she should have just owned that she was being flirtatious. And Miranda's like there's many a woman and husbands that can be flirtatious but you don't cheat, like flirting is like a part of life. I do think that the texts were a little bit much. I do think that that would be like considered emotionally cheating if you like if that happened to me. Yeah. But yeah, I do think it would also be a better look than trying to double down on the fact that Michelle Harris: There's many a woman and husbands that can be flirtatious but you don't cheat. Like flirting is like a part of life. I do think that the texts were a little bit much. I do think that that would be like considered emotionally cheating if you like if that happened to me. But yeah, I do think it would also be a better look than trying to double down on the fact that he sexually assaulted you. Right. So anyway. We get to the interview. So talk about a timeline mind fuck here. Mat: sexually assaulted. Right. So, anyway. We get to the interview, so talk about a timeline mind fuck here. Great. So think about this. They're doing press for the season two premiere. So all of these interviews are asking questions about season one. Okay. They haven't none no one has seen season two yet. Okay. So Michelle Harris: So think about this. They're doing press for the season two premiere. So all of these interviews are asking questions about season one. Because they haven't none no one has seen season two yet. Okay. for a second and then the way that they are answering these questions because they don't want to give away too much of season two. Right. Mat: For a second, and then the way that they are answering these questions because they don't want to give away too much of season two. Right. I was like, my god, like you're so you're living a life where you're almost done filming season three. However, they all these girls have to put themselves back into season one. And they just filmed a reunion for season two. Michelle Harris: I was like, my god, like you're so you're living a life where you're almost done filming season three. However, they all these girls have to put themselves back into season one to answer questions. And they just filmed a reunion for season two, but they can't in these interviews they can't say too much about season two. I'm like, what the Yeah. So we get to the interview. Mat: in these interviews they can't seem to season one. Wow, yeah. So we get to the interview. The interviewer asks about Halloween. And so I did I did go back and watch this full interview for entertainment tonight because I wanted to see the full response. Because you can see that's been edited, yeah, for the show, obviously. Yeah. In a fifty minute Yeah. So Michelle Harris: The interviewer asks about Halloween. And so I did I did go back and watch this full interview for entertainment tonight because I wanted to see the full response. Because you can tell that it's shortened. Right. We're not gonna see an eighteen minute interview in a fifty minute episode. So the interviewer I'll tell you how it got edited on here and then I'll tell you like my thoughts based off of watching the whole thing. Mat: Off of watching the whole thing. Okay. The interview asks about Halloween and asked Demi if she has regrets and said like and wishes that she handled it differently. Demi says, No, you should never touch a woman. Miranda then pushes back and says, Don't you think you overreacted a little bit? Demi says that it wasn't okay for him to shove me. And Miranda says, I don't think he shoved you. And Michelle Harris: The interview asked about Halloween and asked Demi if she has regrets and said like and wishes that she handled it differently. Demi says, No, you should never touch a woman. Miranda then pushes back and says, Don't you think you overreacted a little bit? Demi says that it wasn't okay for him to shove me. And Miranda says, I don't think he shoved you. And Mat: then she goes, Well, touch me, I don't know what. Michelle Harris: Then she goes, Well, touch me, I don't know what to call it. And Taylor backed up Miranda in that point, like, No, he didn't shove you. Right, right. Okay. Jen th then says, Well, th I didn't give the male stripper consent and to me goes, That's a whole different story. Mat: Taylor backed up Miranda in that point, like, no, we didn't shove you. Right, right, okay. Jen th then says, Well, th I didn't give the male stripper consent, and to me goes, That's a whole different story. Okay. So Whitney, meanwhile, while all this is going on, is saying, Michelle Harris: So Whitney, meanwhile, while all this is going on is saying Mat: This is so inappropriate, this is unprofessional, I just wanna like throw water on these women to shut them in the f We should not be going down these rabbit holes in an interview with entertainment tonight. Yeah. And she's like, People are gonna watch this and be like, What the hell was that? Michelle Harris: This is so inappropriate, this is unprofessional. I just wanna like throw water on these women to shut them the fuck up. Like, we should not be going down these rabbit holes in an interview with entertainment tonight. And she's like, people are gonna watch this and be like, What the hell was that? And these women all hate each other when they're supposed to be in a group about supporting and uplifting one another and this is the shit that they see. Mat: And this is the shit that they see. The interviewer then asks Demi what happened with her and Marciano, and Demi says, Nothing, well, nothing on my end. And then Jen starts laughing. Jen says, Well, apparently I have a cease and desist against, like, from Demi, and Demi goes, Prove it. You should be able to pull it up. If I sent you a cease and desist, it would be in your email or in a text. Okay. Michelle Harris: The interviewer then asks Demi what happened with her and Marciano and Demi says, Nothing. Well, nothing on my end. And then Jen starts laughing. Jen says, Well, apparently I have a cease and desist against like from Demi. And Demi goes, Prove it. You should be able to pull it up if I sent you a cease and desist, it would be in your email or in a text. And Demi keeps telling her, Pull it up, pull it up, pull it up, and Jen just goes, Mat: Jen just goes, people are just gonna have to watch for future seasons and like I have the receipts for it. Okay. In an interview says that her manager Michelle Harris: People are just gonna have to watch for future seasons and like I have the receipts for it. Jen then in an interview says that her manager was called by Demi's manager and Demi's manager was threatening a cease and desist. So a threat is not actually getting a cease and desist. So like that's where that's where this ended here. In in the show. So I watched a full interview. Mat: C synthesis. Okay. So a threat is not actually getting a C C so like that's where that's where this ended here. Okay. In the show. In the show. Alright. I watched the full interview. How it went, which this matters for the conversation with Miranda later and this matters for a few things. When the interviewer asked Michelle Harris: How it went, which this matters for the conversation with Miranda later and this matters for a few things. When the interviewer asked Demi if she regretted the Halloween behavior, and Demi said, No, you should never be touched. He then had a follow up question of Mat: Demi if she regretted the Halloween behavior. And Demi said, No, you should never be touched. Okay. He then had a follow up question of Michelle Harris: Well, did you think it was too much for Brett? Mat: Well, did you think it was too much for Brett, you know, in the front lawn, yelling at Chase, all this stuff? And she goes, Yes. I do think that it escalated to that point, but Brett didn't have the full story. Okay. So she said, I was proud of myself for sticking up for myself in that moment. Right. And I don't regret telling a man that it wasn't okay that he did that. Okay. Michelle Harris: you know, in the front lawn, yelling at Chase, all this stuff. And she goes, Yes, I do think that it escalated to that point, but Brett didn't have the full story. So she said, I was proud of myself for sticking up for myself in that moment. Right. And I don't regret telling a man that it wasn't okay that he did that. However I went upstairs and Brett was reacting on minimal information and he went into protective mode, which is a like something that I like I'm happy he did. Like he's my husband and I think any husband here would do that. But yes, with the full scope that got a little bit out of hand. So that's what Demi said. Mat: I went upstairs and Brett was reacting on minimal information. Right, and took it like a step further. Okay. So that's what Demi said. Okay. She did say the shove part and then Miranda said, I don't think she sh he shoved you, and then she was like, Touch, I don't know what it Michelle Harris: She did say the shove part and then Miranda said, I don't think she sh he shoved you, and then she was like, Touch, I don't know what it is. That does come up later. Then with the whole cease and desist thing. So when Jen goes, Well, I didn't have consent for male stripper. And then it was the Marciana thing. The Marciana question. So what happened between you and Marciano? Demi goes on to explain to the interviewer I Mat: That doesn't matter later. Then with the whole cease and desist thing. So when Jen goes, well, I didn't have consent from Mail Stripper. And then it was the Marciana thing. The Marciana question. So what happened between you and Marciano? Demine goes on to explain to the I Michelle Harris: cannot say a lot right now because it is ongoing and it has turned into a legal thing. So what I can say is I didn't do anything on my end. And so the interviewer goes, okay, and then Mat: cannot say a lot right now because it is ongoing and it has turned into a legal thing. Okay. So what I can say is I didn't do anything on my end. Okay. And so the interviewer goes, okay, and then Michelle Harris: like Jen kind of made a face, or I think sh Jen made a face, but something but the interviewer asked Jen what's your opinion on this 'cause you were at the villa and that's when she laughed. So she didn't laugh in the middle of her Mat: Like Jen kinda made a face, I think she Jen made a face, but something but the interviewer asked Jen what's your opinion on this? 'Cause you were at the villa and that's when she laughed. So she didn't laugh in the middle of her Okay Michelle Harris: Talking but she did laugh yes. So she did laugh and then Mat: talking. but they edited it and then it looked like that. Okay. Michelle Harris: she said, Well, apparently I have a cease and desist and then when Demi was like, No, like I like, no, I didn't like pull it up, pull it up, pull it up, and then she's like, Well, I can't say anything because of that. And she's like, You can say whatever you want. I didn't send you a cease and desist. Say what you want. And so she's like, Okay, and then she but then she like backpedals and she goes, Well, you'll just people will just have to watch future seasons to find out. And so Mat: said, Well apparently I have a cease and desist, and then one to me is like, No, like I like, no, I didn't, like pull it up, pull it up, pull it up. And then she's like, Well, I can't say anything because of that. And she's like, You can say whatever you want. I didn't send you a cease and assist. Say what you want. And so she's like, okay, and then she but then she like backpedal and she says, Well you'll people will just have to watch future seasons. Okay. Okay. And so yeah, so for the show it was Michelle Harris: Yeah, so it it was for the show it was edited very oddly. Yeah. So for those that want to, you can Google Mat: Yeah. So for those that want to you can Google Michelle Harris: Entertainment Tonight, Secret Lives Mormon Lives interview, it'll pop right up with like it was like the first one I saw and I just like recognized their outfits were all the same. So I clicked on that, watched it. It's about like thirteen minutes. So you can watch the whole thing to get the full scope of that. Mat: Secret Lives Mormon Wives interview, it'll pop right up with like it was like the first one I saw and I just like recognized their outfits were all the same. So I just wanna watch it. So you can watch the whole thing to get the full scope of that. so they go from the interview to they cut to Connor and Zach going out to a restaurant to grab snacks together and talk about how Whitney and Jen are gonna be on Dancing with the Stars. Zach says that they just bought a triple stack stroller that fits all three kids. Michelle Harris: they go from the interview to they cut to Connor and Zach going out to a restaurant to grab snacks together and talk about how Whitney and Jen are gonna be on Dancing with the Stars. Zach says that they just bought a triple stack stroller that fits all three kids. So him and Connor are gonna be rocking the triple stackers together. Mat: All right. He did make a comment like Michelle Harris: He did make a comment like Mat: if anything can pinpoint you as a Mormon it's a triple stack stroller and I was like, I mean, Catholics have a lot of kids too, I don't think I would Yeah. You're a Mormon, but I'm like Connor tells Zach that he told Whitney that he would quit his job for her to go on dancing with the stars. Okay. And he is full on Michelle Harris: If anything can pinpoint you as a Mormon, it's a triple stack stroller and I was like, I mean, Catholics have a lot of kids too. I don't think I would be like, You're a Mormon but I'm like, Okay. Okay, Zach. Connor tells Zach that he told Whitney that he would quit his job for her to go on dancing with the stars and he is full on I'm gonna be a stay at home dad. I'm gonna support my wife Mat: stay at home dad, I'm gonna support my wife. This is awesome, she's doing great things, and he is all in for it. Okay. At this point, Zach and Connor both seem really excited and they plan a ton of stuff together, going to museums. There's tide tide poles. Tide tide whatever. They're gonna go to museums, they're gonna sell Michelle Harris: This is awesome. She's doing great things and he is all in for it. At this point, Zach and Connor both seem really excited and they plan a ton of stuff together, going to museums, there's tide tide poles. Tide tide whatever. They're gonna go to museums, they're gonna see stuff, they're gonna do stuff. So Zach suggests that they become stay at home dads together and homeschool their kids. Mat: Zach suggests that they become stay at home dads together and homeschool their kids. Okay. And Connor says, Man, this really wants to make like this like them being at the restaurant, them being there in the you know, the excitement, he really wants to move to LA. So Connor's all in, it seems like Zach's all in Michelle Harris: And Connor says, man, this really wants to make like this like them being at the restaurant, them being there in the you know, the excitement, he really wants to move to LA. So Connor's all in, it seems like Zach's all in. I know for a fact that changes next season. Zach has issues. Okay. So I thought it was interesting that this was his attitude now, knowing what I know later. Mat: I know for a fact that changes next season. Zach has issues. Okay. So I thought it was interesting that this was his attitude now, knowing what I know later. Okay, alright. It goes to Denise and Whitney in the car together, going to a different press thing. Denis starts crying, and when Whitney asks what part of that interview made her emotional Michelle Harris: It goes to Demi and Whitney in the car together, going to a different press thing. Demi starts crying, and when Whitney asks what part of that interview made her emotional, Demi says that she's just feeling really misunderstood and betrayed. She feels like she is being held responsible for other people's actions. She said, for example, when Chase touched her, everyone is saying that she overreacted, but she doesn't think that she did Mat: Denise says that she's just feeling really misunderstood and betrayed. She feels like she's being held responsible for other people's actions. She said, for example, when Chase touched her, everyone is saying that she overreacted, but she doesn't think that she did anything wrong and was proud of herself for doing that because she would have never done that before. Okay. Whitney says that this is the most vulnerable she's ever seen to me, and in in that Michelle Harris: anything wrong and was proud of herself for doing that because she would have never done that before. Whitney says that this is the most vulnerable she's ever seen to me and in in that sense, right, standing up for yourself and telling someone no to their face. Mat: sense right standing up for yourself and telling someone no to their face is very empowering and is something that takes a lot of courage. So I do understand with the whole like saying Demi overreacted in that moment. I don't think she overreacted, but I think this situation escalated because she didn't explain to Brett what happened. Right, right. If she had just been don't touch me and then went to go tell Brett what happened and then Brett had a conversation or like left it alone and just like supported her, Michelle Harris: is very empowering and is something that takes a lot of courage. So I do understand with the whole like saying Demi overreacted in that moment. I don't think she overreacted, but I think this situation escalated because she didn't explain to Brett what happened. If she had just been don't touch me and then went to go tell Brett what happened and then Brett had a conversation or like left it alone and just like supported her Mat: I don't think that would have been an overreaction. Michelle Harris: I don't think that would have been an overreaction at all. So I think Demi is taking the what people view as the whole situation as the overreaction and she is feels very targeted for like herself. And I think that goes a lot later on too, and Whitney kind of points it out that everyone wants to be right, but sometimes it's not about being right. It's just about understanding the other person. Like it's just like, okay, like this is your reality, this is my reality, we can understand one another move on. Mat: So I think it's taking the what people view as the whole situation as the overreaction and she is feels very targeted for like herself. Yeah. And I think that goes a lot later on too, and Whitney kind of points it out that everyone wants to be right, but sometimes it's not about being right, it's just about understanding the other person. Like it's just okay. This is your reality, this is my reality, we can understand one another movement. Yeah. Michelle Harris: So Whitney says that this is the most vulnerable she's ever seen to me, and with that vulnerability, she's understanding these situations a lot differently, and she's gained a different perspective Mat: So Whitney says that this is the most vulnerable she's ever seen to me and with that vulnerability she's understanding these situations a lot differently and she gains a different perspective. Michelle Harris: and would love if the other woman could see that and understand that. They go to another interview in the girls play, most likely to the first question was most likely to film a shady TikTok. Mat: And would love if the other women could see that and understand that. Okay. They go to another interview and the girls play, most likely to the first question was most likely to film a shady TikTok. And they all point their little pointer fingers at Mikhail or Taylor and Taylor's like, I'll take that one. Whitney and Denis then are separated and they get asked who is trying too hard for content. Demi says Taylor and Whitney says Jesse. Michelle Harris: And they all point their little pointer fingers at Mikhail or Taylor and Taylor's like, I'll take that one, like I don't care. Whitney and Demi then are separated and they get asked who is trying too hard for content. Demi says Taylor and Whitney says Jesse. Okay. So it's kinda like a would you rather who is whatever. So but I thought that was interesting that Whitney said Jesse, so Mat: Okay. So it's kinda like a would you rather who is Yeah, yeah. So but I thought that was interesting that Whitney said Jesse, so Right. The girls go back to refresh their hair. Michelle Harris: The girls go back to refresh their hair and makeup and Macy then this is just like a little clip that they inserted. So Taylor's going to Jimmy Kimmel Live, Whitney's going to Jimmy Kimmel Live. Okay. Macy goes, Does Whitney still have her publicis? Is that how she scored Jimmy Kimmel? She thinks it's a very interesting choice and very odd. Okay. So the girls don't agree that Whitney should be there with Taylor. Okay. Mat: Makeup and Macy then this is just like a little clip that they inserted. So Taylor's going to Jimmy Kimmel Live. Whitney's going to Jimmy Kimmelive. Okay. Macy goes, Does Whitney still have her publicist? Is that how she scored Jimmy Kimmel? She thinks it's a very interesting choice and very odd. Okay. So the girls don't agree that Whitney should be there with Taylor. Okay. Taylor is in her room now. Michelle Harris: Taylor is in her room now getting ready and there's no cameras on her, but you can hear her. Like and I don't even Mat: Okay. Michelle Harris: think she's mic'd up. I think that they just have like a mic near her door. Yeah. And you hear her say, Mom, this is happening to me. If I can handle it, you can handle it. So she has told her mom about the Dakota situation. Because last episode she wasn't sure if she was gonna tell her mom. She wanted her mom to enjoy Jimmy Kimmel. Mat: Yeah. And you hear her say, Mom, this is happening If I can handle it, you can handle it. So she has told her mom about the Dakota situation. last episode she wasn't sure if she was gonna tell her mom. Yeah. Yeah. Michelle Harris: But I guess when she saw her Mat: But I guess when she saw her Michelle Harris: mom and her brother when they flew out for Jimmy Kimmel, she's like, I just I felt like I would betray her if I didn't tell her. So she ended up telling her. They show Leanne in the corner of the room sitting in a chair with her sunglasses on and like holding her bag and Taylor's like laughing like my Mat: Like I would betray her if I tell her Yeah, yeah. So she ended up telling her. They show Leanne in the corner of the room sitting in a chair with her sunglasses on and like holding her bag and Taylor's like laughing. Like, my mom, Mom, like look at yourself, like get a Michelle Harris: She's like, my god, mom, like look at yourself. Like get over and Taylor Taylor's mom's like, This isn't funny, Taylor. And she goes, She's like, Well either you need to laugh or you're gonna go into depression. So I'd rather laugh about it. Yeah. And the whole Mat: Isn't funny, Taylor. She's like, Well, either you need a laugh or you're gonna go into depression. So I'm gonna think about it. Yeah. And the whole Michelle Harris: time her and her brother are just riffing and be like, They're so gross, they can be together, they deserve each other, it's disgusting, Mat: so gross they can be together, they deserve each other. Michelle Harris: all this stuff. Taylor's hoping that Dakota stays the fuck away from her when he gets there because he's staying at the same hotel. And meanwhile, while she's in the room getting ready, Jesse, Jordan, Dakota and some of the other husbands are downstairs checking in. Mat: Stays the fuck away from her when he gets there because he's staying at the same hotel. And meanwhile, while she's in the room getting ready, Jesse, Jordan, Dakota, and some of the other husbands are downstairs checking Michelle Harris: Miranda goes to see Whitney as she's getting her hair and makeup done for Jimmy Kimmel and Miranda asks Whitney about the E.T. interview and if she talked to Demi about it. Whitney says, Yeah, we did. And overall, Mat: Miranda goes to see Whitney as she's getting her hair and makeup done, for Jimmy Kimmel, and Miranda asks Whitney about the E. T. interview and if she talked to Jimmy about it. Whitney says, Yeah, we did, and overall Michelle Harris: I feel like it wasn't the time or place to have that discussion. As they are talking, Demi walks in and asks what they are talking about, and they say the chaos that was entertainment tonight. And Demi says, Yeah, that was a shit show. Mat: feel like it wasn't the time or place to have that discussion. As they were talking, Demi walks in and asks what they are talking about, and they say the chaos that was entertainment tonight, and Demi says, Yeah, that was a shit show. So at this point Miranda confronts Demi on her position of not regretting what happened and saying that Chase shoved her. Demi says that she never said she didn't regret what happened and that Michelle Harris: So at this point Miranda confronts Demi on her position of not regretting what happened and saying that Chase shoved her. Demi says that she never said she didn't regret what happened and that Brett going out on the front lawn yelling at Chase was unnecessary. So this is the first time you hear Demi in the show say that. Even though I listened to the interview, it th she did say that. She did say that. So I was like, okay Mat: So this is the first time you hear Jimmy in the show say that. okay. but it was how it happened in the interview. She did say that. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, okay, if you're just watching the show and you didn't go Michelle Harris: If you're just watching the show and you didn't go watch it the entertainment t tonight, you'd be like, now she's backpedaling and she didn't say that and she said she didn't regret it, but she did. Mat: Right, but she did. Michelle Harris: and she says that she said shove because she doesn't know what to call it. My issue with Demi here too is that she keeps reenacting what Chase did to her to Miranda, and I'm like, Stop touching Miranda. Like you don't need you don't need to be like, I don't know what that is. Like Mat: she says that she said shove because she doesn't know what to call it. My issue to me here too is that she keeps reenacting what Chase did to her to Miranda, and I'm like, Stop touching Miranda. Like you don't you don't need to be like, I don't know what that is. stop touching people. Like, if you don't want to be touched by a man, don't touch other people. And like I just think when people do that, it's kind of like trying to be dominating over them, to be like, Well, this is what happened to me, right. Michelle Harris: Stop touching people. Like if you don't want to be touched by a man, don't touch other people. And like I just think when people do that, it's kind of like trying to be dominating over them, to be like, Well, this is what happened to me. And it's like, No, we were all there. Miranda was there. It was on camera. Like, we don't need people Mat: It's on camera. Michelle Harris: to be touched. And that just I don't know. Personally that rubbed me the wrong way. Miranda's stance is that she does not agree that Chase shouldn't Mat: Stance is that she does not agree that Chase shouldn't like she's like, I don't think that like he should have touched you. Like, I'm not saying that, but escalating it to a shove is dramatic. Yeah. And she feels like Demi makes the these crazy accusations that can harm people's reputation. So she goes, touching you and you know, being demeaning towards you. Michelle Harris: Like she's like, I don't think that like he should have touched you. Like I'm not saying that. But escalating it to a shove is dramatic. And she feels like Demi makes the these crazy accusations that can harm people's reputation. So she goes, Touching you and you know, being demeaning toward you and saying someone shoved you, like a man shoved you, are two different things. And it it's a wild jump to go from this to that. And it's like while Mat: And saying someone shoved you, like a man shoved you, are two different things. Yeah. It's a wild jump to go from this to that. Yeah. While Michelle Harris: w no one's arguing that he should have put hands on you and no one's arguing that he was an ass that night. To go to shove is like that's a whole different conversation. Mat: no one's arguing that he should have put hands on you and no one's arguing that he was an ass that night, to go to shove is like that's a whole different conversation. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Denise's like, it like she's basically like the semantics don't matter. And Miranda's like, they do and Michelle Harris: and to me is like it like she's basically like the semantics don't matter and Miranda's like, they do. And it starts escalating like what is a shove, what isn't a shove. Demi says that Miranda bringing Mat: It starts escalating like what is a shove, what isn't a shove. Demi says that Miranda bringing Michelle Harris: it on entertainment tonight was so inappropriate, like challenging Demi. And Demi says that he touched me and that's not right. And Miranda is saying, Yeah, no one's arguing with you Mat: challenging to me. And Demi says that he touched me and that's not right. And Miranda is saying, Yeah, no one's arguing with you, but don't say it's a shove. Miranda just ends up ending the conversation because it's going nowhere. And she's like, I know Demi knows that this is a slippery slope and a very sensitive topic, and I feel like she's exploiting it. Yeah. Yeah. Whitney says everyone has harsh feelings right now. Michelle Harris: But don't say it's a shove. Miranda just ends up ending the conversation because it's going nowhere. And she's like, I know Demi knows that this is a slippery slope and a very sensitive topic, and I feel like she's exploiting it. Yeah. Whitney says everyone has harsh feelings right now and they are letting them out. And Demi says that Miranda needs a media training class ASAP. I was like, What? Mat: Face out. Michelle Harris: Like what I'm like, I watched entertainment tonight, it wasn't Mat: Right. Michelle Harris: that bad. Whitney says in an interview that she's gonna be a hypocrite because she does this too sometimes, but it's not about being right. And right Mat: says in an interview that she's gonna be a hypocrite because she does this too sometimes, but it's not about being right and right Michelle Harris: now Miranda wants to be right and Demi wants to be right, and it's about understanding, and these girls just can't do it. Whitney says it's it's exhausting riding the fence, and she goes, I don't know how you do it, Macy. Mat: Yeah. It's about understanding and these girls just can't do it. Whitney says it's it's exhausting riding the fence and she goes, I don't know how you do it, Macy. Michelle Harris: Whitney then texts Miranda as Miranda's in a room with Jesse and Michaela telling them what happened. And Whitney texts Miranda and says, I know that conversation was tough. I hope you're okay. So Jesse and Michaela both are like, Does Whitney think that to me was being too much? And Miranda's like, I think so. Miranda shows that the g like shows the girls a text and Jesse says that obviously there's issues with Whitney and Whitney's stuff is just stupid. She's just dumb. Mat: says, I know that conversation was tough, I hope you're okay. So Jesse and Michaela both are like, Does Whitney think that to me it was being too much? And Miranda's like, I think so. Miranda shows that the g like shows the girls a text and Jesse says that obviously there's issues with Whitney and Whitney's stuff is just stupid. She's not And Nikila kinda goes, like yeah, that sounds interesting Like, you know, just kinda nice. Michelle Harris: And Michaela kinda goes, like, yeah, that's sums it about. Like, yeah, like, you know, those kind of eyes. Jesse says that the stuff with Demi is life ruining stuff and very serious. So I think they're at the point where they're like, Whitney's not bad, she's just annoying to us. And then here's Demi and it's does Whitney agree with her? Then that makes her on that level? Or is she understanding and like Mat: says that the stuff with Demi is life-ruining stuff and very serious. So I think they're at the point where they're like Whitney is not bad, she's just annoying to us. Right. And then here's Demi and it's does Whitney agree with her? Then that makes her on that level. Right. Or is she understanding and like understands that Demi is like Michelle Harris: understands that Demi is like just totally off in La La Land. Yeah. So I think they're trying to figure that out. Mat: Just totally off in love. Yeah, yeah. So I think they're trying to figure that out a little bit. Okay. At this point, Demi calls Brett to tell him what happened with Miranda, and at this point, like, my god. I'm like I call my husband, but like she's on speaker film getting her hair and makeup done. jeez. In front of producers, yeah. It's Michelle Harris: At this point, Demi calls Brett to tell him what happened with Miranda. And at this point I'm like, my God. I'm like, dude Like I get calling her husband, but like she's on speakerphone getting her hair and makeup done in front of producers in like a room. It's Whitney's just sitting there staring at her probably 'cause the producers told her she had to. Like she doesn't even she didn't even say like five words. She just sits there and like looks at Demi as she's like on the phone with Brett. Mat: Whitney's just sitting there staring at her, probably because the producers told her she had to. Like she didn't even say anything like five words. She just sits there and like looks at Domia. She's like on the phone with Brett. Okay. Michelle Harris: Brett says that Miranda is so deeply routed in white trash and that she's absolutely disgusting. Mat: Brett says that Miranda is so deeply routed in white trash and that she's absolutely disgusting. I'm like Michelle Harris: I'm like, my god, is that a wild leap to try to support your wife? Is to just immediately start calling women white trash. Okay. Brett says that he has Mat: to try to support your wife. Yeah. Yeah. Michelle Harris: no respect for any of the women except for Whitney. They are lying yipping cowards. Brett compares this to Jerry Springer and says that if that's what the people want, then let's give it to them. Like, so in this moment. Mat: They are lying yipping cowards. Brett compares this to Jerry Springer and says that if that's what the people want, then let's give it to them. Like, so in this moment when we go through and we're talking about Michelle Harris: When we go through and we're talking about how could Brett be okay with these text messages to Marciano and how could he know everything? Yeah. This is his mindset. And he's fucking insane too. Yeah, it sounds like it. I mean they're I don't for each other. yeah, I don't think he's mentally stable. It sounds like he's crazy. Mat: Brett be okay with these to Marciano and how could he know everything? Yeah. This is his mindset. And he's fucking insane. Yeah, it sounds like it. I mean they're they're meant for each other. I don't think he's mentally stable. It sounds like he's crazy. Michelle Harris: Anyway, sorry, don't come for me, Brat. I don't I'm not white trash Brett says just remember you're dealing with people that are not your friends, which I do think is a good good way to put it, but I I think the rest of it could've been left out. Mat: says just remember you're dealing with people that are not your friends which I do think is a good good way to put it but I I think the rest of it could have been left out. Right, Meanwhile the producers in the room Michelle Harris: Meanwhile, the producers in the room, you can tell, are very uncomfortable with everything happening. And Whitney was like, Tell us how you really feel, Brett. Whitney says, regardless of what Demi has done or said, she hates the way that the girls are treating her. Mat: of what Denis has done or said, she hates the way that the girls are treating her. Michelle Harris: Like, Whitney, just stop talking. And that no one wants to even have a conversation and try to understand. And I don't agree with that. I don't think that they haven't tried Mat: don't think that they haven't tried just yes sat down with Demi. Layla, you know, didn't want to have a conversation but then Demeter started yelling at her at the other Michelle Harris: Jesse has sat sat down with Demi. Layla, you know, didn't want to have a conversation, but then Demeter started yelling at her at the event. Miranda was trying trying to have the conversation with her. And it was just, no, you're you're not getting it. You're Mat: Yeah. It was just no, you're you're not getting it. Michelle Harris: not getting it. And Miranda's like, No, like you're not getting it. And so I do disagree. Like, I do think these girls have tried to have conversations with her. And yeah, and but I don't Mat: Yeah. And so I do disagree. Like I do think these girls have tried to have conversations right, right, definitely. And yeah, and but I don't Michelle Harris: know How much Whitney knows besides the Miranda conversation? I'm assuming Demi told her about the other Mat: sides of Miranda conversation. I'm assuming Demi told her about the other Michelle Harris: run ins at the influencer events and events like that. Right. in the Jesse conversation. I'm assuming that she told her about all this, but I don't know what I don't know what she told Whitney though. Like what how did that conversation go? Am I it it was all in Demi's perspective? Demi was great and other people were Mat: Right. in the Jesse conversation. I'm assuming that she told her about all this, but Yeah, you don't know though. I know what she told Whitney though. Right. What how did that conversation go? I mean I'm sure yeah, it was to me was great and other people were assholes. Michelle Harris: asshole. Yeah. Yeah. So then we go to Jimmy Kim Alive and Whitney and Taylor get there. Taylor says that being there with Whitney does make her sad, remembering where they started and where they are now, but it's cool to see all the trials that come with it. Whitney tells Taylor that she is going to feed off of her energy because she's very good at remaining calm in these situations, and that kind of catches Taylor off guard. She's like, I'm freaking out right now. I don't know what you're talking about. Mat: Jimmy came alive. And Whitney and Taylor get there. Taylor says that being there with Whitney does make her sad, remembering where they started and where they are now, but it's cool to see all the trials that come with it. Whitney tells Taylor that she is going to feed off of her energy because she's very good at remaining calm in these situations, and that kind of catches Taylor off guard. She's like, I'm freaking out right now. I don't know. Michelle Harris: Whitney says that she tries to treat all the press as business, but there is an emotional and friendship aspect to it when it comes to this stuff because they're sharing this experience for the first time together. Right. Okay. Taylor says that's why she still wants Whitney around and tells Whitney that she still sees her as a friend and that catches Whitney off guard. Mat: says that she tries to treat all the press as business, but there is an emotional and friendship aspect to it when it comes to this stuff because they're sharing this experience for the first time together. Right. Okay. Taylor says that's why she still wants Whitney around and tells Whitney that she still sees her as a friend and that catches Whitney on guard. Michelle Harris: she was very surprised by that. And Whitney does tell Taylor for a long time her mindset was me me because she didn't want to be hurt by anyone. Mat: She was very surprised by that and Whitney does tell Taylor that for a long time her mindset was needing me because she didn't want to be hurt by anyone. Right. She says that she was going through hard times and she was hurting and she thought everyone was attacking her, but then after Michelle Harris: She says that she was going through hard times and she was hurting and she thought everyone was attacking her, but then after the reunion she realized that everyone has something going on and she realized that she hasn't been there for the girls, much like she complained the for the girls not being there for her. So Whitney is starting to realize that she does care about these girls and wants to clear the air with them, despite saying she was only there for business. So Mat: reunion she realized that everyone has something going on and she realized that she hasn't been there for the girls much like she complained for the girls on the So Whitney is starting to realize that she does care about these girls and wants to clear the air with them despite saying was only there for business. Right, yeah. So Michelle Harris: through all this press and and you kind of see it more and more, it's like Mat: see it more and more it's like she's taking it all in and she was like wow we built this thing and and r again this is after the season one aired and this is before season two premiere so right now they have the following. Now they have the hype behind it. Season just it dropped. Like it was like let's see what happened. Yeah, yeah. She's looking at this and she's sad. She's like we're all fighting with one another but Michelle Harris: She's taking it all in and she was like, Wow, we built this thing and and r again, this is after the season one aired and this is before season two premiere. So Right. Now they have the following. Now they have the hype behind it. Season one just it dropped. Like it was like, let's see what happens with this. So she's looking at this and she's sad. She's like, We're all fighting with one another, but look what we created. Like look how big we've gotten. Look at Mat: Look what we created. Yeah. Look how big we've gotten. Look at look at the brand that we made. And it's like, but no one can celebrate together because they're like They're all fighting Michelle Harris: Look at the brand that we made and it's like but no one can celebrate together because they're all fighting with one another. Mat: one another. Taylor tells Whitney that she just wants to so and at that point Taylor told Whitney like Michelle Harris: Taylor tells Whitney that she just wants to So and at that point Taylor told Whitney, like, that's all the girls wanted to hear. This is what we wanted to hear from you. Like, that's that's it. And like, if you can bring that to the group and the girls, like, I think that would be huge. And so Whitney was like, Really? Like, I didn't think anyone ever wanted to talk to me again. So after Mat: That's all the girls wanted to hear. This is what we wanted to hear from you. Like that's that's it. And like if you can bring that to the group and the girls, like I think that would be huge. And so Whitney was like, Really? Like I d didn't think anyone ever wanted to talk to me again. So after Michelle Harris: they had that, like, heart to heart, Taylor does tell Whitney that she just wants to cry. And Whitney asks her why. And Taylor says that she can't talk about it yet. But some information that's come out from Dakota is hurting her. And at this point, Whitney is very supportive. And Taylor says she just wants to enjoy her press. And Whitney goes, Well, today we will. And so Taylor in an interview says that she is really happy to have Whitney there in that moment. And that she was kind of like a shining light in that in that kind of gray spot. So you do see them kind of. Mat: Taylor does tell Whitney that she just wants to cry, and Whitney asks her why, and Taylor says that she can't talk about it yet, but some information that's come out from Dakota is hurting her. And at this point, Whitney is very supportive, and Taylor says she just wants to enjoy her press, and Whitney goes, Well, today we will. And so Taylor in an interview says that she is really happy to have Whitney there in that moment and that she was kind of like a shining light in that in that kind of gray spot. So you do see them kind of connecting a little bit. Yeah, okay. Michelle Harris: connecting a little bit more. Whitney then suggests that they do something funny when they go out on stage and Taylor goes, What? And she goes, Let's fight for the seat closest to him. So it was already set like Taylor was supposed to be closer and then like and then Whitney. So they practice like how they're gonna like move and like stuff so like then they don't like hurt one another. And so they practice this and then they wish each other good luck and then they go out there and they do it and everyone like laughed and loved it. So it was a hit. Mat: Whitney then suggests that they do something funny when they go out on stage and Taylor goes, What? And she goes, Let's fight for the seat closest to him. So it was already set, like Taylor was supposed to be closer and that's Whitney. So they practice like how they're gonna move and like stuff so like then they don't like hurt one another. Yeah, yeah. And so they practice this and then they wish each other luck. And then they know they're gonna do it, and everyone like laughed and loved each other. Okay, alright. It was a hit. Michelle Harris: and I guess I think I saw a TikTok when that interview did come out that they really th some people took you know, some people take it and run with it. People thought that Whitney was trying to get the seat closer. And then when this came out, people were like, this like healed my soul to see this and it's like they sat down laughing. Like they showed the clip and they sat down laughing Mat: And I guess I think I saw a TikTok when that interview did come out that they really th some people took you know, some people take it and run with it. People thought that Whitney was trying to get the sequel. okay, yeah. And then when this came out, people were like, healed my soul. my gosh. They sat down laughing. Yeah. Yeah. Sat down laughing. Michelle Harris: and even Taylor's mom and Connor, who were it backstage, were like laughing. Like Mat: stage were like laughing like clearly it was a joke. Yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: Clearly it was a joke. I'm like, people need to calm down. So after Jimmy Kimmel, they don't show any of Jimmy Kimmel, because I don't think that they could. They just saw the they just showed like the walk on. I think maybe one or two questions. But the girls go to dinner before the premiere. So this is everyone minus Whitney into me. They're still not with the rest of the girls. Before Jesse and Taylor walk into dinner, Taylor's talking with Jesse and Jesse tells Taylor that she talked with Dakota Mat: Okay. I think maybe one or two questions. Okay. But the girls go to dinner before the premiere. So this is everyone minus Whitney and me. They're still amount with the rest of the girls. Before Jesse and Taylor walk into dinner, Taylor's talking with Jesse, and Jesse tells Taylor that she talked with Michelle Harris: and asked Dakota, like, Are you mad at me? And he was like, No. I'm not mad at you. It made me feel like good to get it off my chest because she's the one that pushed Dakota to tell Taylor. She's like, I can't not tell her. Yeah, because she was she was gonna tell. Taylor asked Jesse if she knows the extent of all of it, and Jesse says, Yeah, she heard that there were multiple pitchers and that they had a plan to meet up, but then he pulled the plug. jeez. Taylor says that Dakota only told her about one pitcher Mat: Because she's the one that pushed Dakota her. Right, right. Yeah, because she was she was gonna tell her. Taylor asked Jesse if she knows the extent of all of it and Jessie says, Yeah, she heard that there were multiple pitchers and that they had a plan to meet up, but then he pulled the plug. jeez. Taylor says that Dakota only told her about one pitcher. Michelle Harris: and that Mat: And that this lady kept asking him to meet up and he kept saying no and Jesse's like, No, no, no, that's not what I was told Michelle Harris: This lady kept asking him to meet up and he kept saying no. And Jesse's like, No, no, no, that's not what I was told. Mat: Taylor starts crying and saying that she's like a hunch that, you know, this Michelle Harris: Taylor starts crying and saying that she had like a hunch that, you know, this lady was flirtations with Dakota and so I guess like this isn't super shocking, maybe, but it it it is. And she's like, even when I asked Dakota if there's something going on there, 'cause like they would all go to like family events together, like be at her mom's house, like they had a lot of interaction as a group together, like this person. And Mat: So I guess like this isn't super shocking maybe, but it it it is. Okay. Even when I asked Dakota if there's something going on there, 'cause like they would all go to like family events together at the house. Like they had a lot of interaction as a group together, like this person. And she asked Dakota if something was going on and Dakota made her feel crazy. She says that this is now the fourth girl. Michelle Harris: She asked Dakota if something was going on and Dakota made her feel crazy. Taylor says that this is now the fourth girl that he's done something with. So we knew about Jenna. We know about this lady. Apparently, there are two other girls. Okay. Taylor decides to call Dakota and confronts him about the discrepancies and what Jesse's telling her versus what he told her. And Dakota says Mat: So we knew about Jenna. know about this lady. Apparently there are two other jeez. Okay. Taylor decides to call Dakota and confronts him about the discrepancies and what Jesse is telling her versus what he told her. And Dakota says Jesse doesn't know what she's talking about and says that Jordan is making stuff up. Michelle Harris: Jessie doesn't know what she's talking about and says that Jordan is making stuff up. And she goes, You better tell me the truth, 'cause it's all gonna come out. And then Taylor hangs up the phone on him. Okay. Meanwhile, all the girls are at the table and they're like, Where's Taylor? And then Jesse's like, She needs to be the one to tell you, so can't. Mat: And she goes, You better tell me the truth, 'cause it's all gonna come out. And then Taylor hangs up the phone out. Okay. Jeez. Meanwhile, all the girls are at the table and they're like, Where's Taylor? And then Jesse's like, She needs to be the one to tell you, so I can't. The next day we go to the premiere and they all get on a double decker bus with like their face it's like the season two photo of the Okay, yeah, yeah. And they're all like, This is when they were like in the wall. Michelle Harris: The next day we go to the premiere and they all get on a double decker bus with like their face it's like the season two photo of all of them. And they're all like this is when they were like in the water getting out and it's like so they're all like wet from head to toe. And they're it's like big. Like they are blown up on this double Mat: Yeah. And there it's a big load of double deck. Michelle Harris: decker bus. They're all taking photos in front of it, and then they get on the double decker bus to go to the premiere. And then this is when Whitney says that it's ironic that they are here at the height of their careers, yet the state of mom talk has never been lower. She does care about these girls and she is going to get this group back together. She and she says it with authority. Back in Utah, Taylor goes over to her mom's house and they are planning to call this woman to confront her. Press is done. They're back home. Mat: And then this is when Whitney says that it's ironic that they are here at the height of their careers, yet the state of nom talk has never been lowered. Yeah. She does care about these girls and she is going to get this group back together. Okay. And she says it with authority. Alright. Back in Utah, Taylor goes over to her mom's house and they are planning to call this woman to confront her Okay, so like press is done. Press is done. They're back home. They're back home. Okay. Quick transition there. Yeah, yeah, it was it was. Like they were all like, you know, it it was just them taking photos and then it was like Michelle Harris: Yeah. Yeah, it was it was. Like they were all like, you know, it it was just them taking photos and then it was like commercial and then when it came back it was like Pravo Utah and then it was like Mat: Okay, all right. Michelle Harris: So they're back in Utah, Taylor goes over to her mom's house to call this woman to confront her. Yeah. And so Jessie and Taylor and her mom, like they say her name on camera but then it's bleeped. And then when they call her they change her voice. Mat: they're gonna call her mom's so Jessie and Taylor and her mom, like they say her name on camera but then it's bleed. Okay. And then when they call her they change her voice. jeeze, okay. This woman must have like like I don't consent to Yeah, I don't yeah, absolutely. Like, you yeah, yeah, yeah. Or you Michelle Harris: So this woman must have like been like, I don't consent to being on the show and don't put my name in here and I will sue for defamation if you d like, you know, like because you are you are, you know, talking shit about her and there is no actual proof as far as I'm concerned. Mat: Yeah. Yeah, it may well yeah, I mean th there's probably text messages and stuff. Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right. So they call Michelle Harris: Yeah, there's probably but they don't show them on like the screen. Okay. All right. So they call her and the voice is modified. Taylor tells her that Dakota came clean to her because he felt guilty. And this girl just immediately starts playing stupid. And she's saying, I don't know what you're talking about. She says, Mat: He felt guilty. And this girl just immediately starts playing stupid. And she's saying, I don't know what you're talking about. She says, Michelle Harris: How do you not remember the photo you sent him? It was so inappropriate. She goes, I don't remember sending a photo. I didn't send a photo. Then all of a sudden she says Mat: sent him, it was so inappropriate. She goes, I don't remember sending a photo, I didn't send a photo, then all of a sudden she says, No, I sent a photo but it was she's like, Taylor's like it was you in your underwear and then he said that her body was so hot and he goes, No, that was me in a swimsuit Michelle Harris: No, I sent a photo, but it was she was like, Taylor's like, it was you in your underwear and then he said that your body was so hot and she goes, No, that was me in a swimsuit and the photo was from Florida. and she's like, I don't remember that response from him and Mat: Ha ha. Michelle Harris: So as this lady is denying this, Taylor's mom interrupts and goes, She's lying, you can hear it in her voice. She says that she never invited him over, and if she did, it was probably just to cry it out. And then Taylor says, Yeah, to cry it out and fuck. And this lady goes, No. And so her dad's in the room too at this point. Like he comes in when he hears the conversation Mat: So as this lady is denying this, Taylor's mom interrupts and goes, She's lying, you can hear it in her voice. Okay. She says that she had never invited him over and if she did, it was probably just to cry it out, and then Taylor says, Yeah, to cry it out and fuck And so her dad's in the room too at this point, like he comes in like the conversation going Michelle Harris: going on. He doesn't say anything yet. but we end in the middle of this conversation. The episode ends In the middle of this conversation. And we pick it up in the last Taylor Dakota in the the past three It's been a cliffhanger, yeah. Gotta keep them coming back. Wow. Yeah, of course. We gotta talk about something. We gotta Mat: The episode ends in the middle of this com okay. They just take it up, they just keep this Taylor Dakota thing at every like the past three episodes. It's been a cliffhanger, yeah, right there ending on something like that. Wow. Yeah, of course. Yeah. We gotta s we gotta talk about something next week. Michelle Harris: talk about something. So yeah, ended it there. Great. Mat: Great. Alright, well we'll pick it back up next week. And then Michelle Harris: Yeah. Mat: we'll have the season three, full season recap with John. Yeah. That's exciting. Yeah, we're getting there. And then we'll start start season Michelle Harris: Yep. That's exciting. Yeah, we're getting there. And then it'll be season four. Mat: four and and sprinkle in some let's marry Harry through all that. Alright. Well, Michelle Harris: Yeah. Yeah. All right. Mat: great. This is a lot. soon dancing with the stars. Michelle Harris: And soon, Dancing with the Stars, September second, the list will come out. The list, yeah. I don't know when the air date is. We'll find that. Mat: That's the list of the people. Okay. All right. Yeah. I don't know. All right. Well, we'll pick it back up next week. Thanks for listening, everybody. 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