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How Antioxidants and Omega-3s Support Healthy, Glowing Skin with Dr. Mamina Turegano · Non-Toxic Living

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  We want our bodies filled with antioxidants so that we can combat all forms of
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  oxidative stress, whether it is like external owners and our internal in our bodies.
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  So much of the lester and diet is playing your role in the acting that we're seeing today.
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  Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of amazing skincare products out there with amazing
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  ingredients that are so helpful for your skin, your collagen, but what you're putting in is also
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  just as important. You know, what are three foods that you think would definitely benefit your
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  skin. There's so much out there, but when it comes to really helping your skin barrier,
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  keeping your collagen healthy, what are the food groups are? Let me ask out. So if there was
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  three skin hacks, your Japanese mother taught you what would they be? She would massage your face
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  with something cold in the morning. I like to do it as a way to help make me look more awake.
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  Like boiling onion skin, these are things that you can easily do. There's a higher
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  concentration of quercetin in onion skin and we have a lot of different studies of how it helps
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  with inflammation and other chronic diseases and aging and cancers. So another thing that you
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  did is... Mr. Medicine is absolutely amazing. Western medicine has some great benefit.
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  We're great in emergency care. We're horrible, horrible at preventative medicine. I kill
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  it so much of conventional medicine doctors don't know that maybe they're starting to.
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  Does face yoga actually work? Face yoga.
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  Dr. Memeena, thank you so much for being on the Nontastic Living Show. Thank you so much. We're
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  having triple bird board certified a dermatologist doing some integrative medicine doing some
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  traditional medicine when it comes to having beautiful healthy skin and a healthy body. So how did
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  you get into what you do? I have always been interested in integrative medicine even before
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  college. Didn't know that I really wanted to go to medical school but as I got later into college,
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  I was like, you know what, I think if I have my medical degree, I can do anything I wanted.
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  Like if I could do integrative medicine with a medical degree, I could do traditional medicine.
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  So I was like, let me just go this path and I was like president of the Integrative Medicine
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  Interest Group in my med school. I was planning on going into family medicine and practicing
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  holistic integrative medicine with that route. But I did a rheumatology rotation. So rheumatology
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  focuses on autoimmune diseases and I was so drawn to those patients, specifically the ones who had
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  skin issues. So their immune system essentially was attacking their skin whether it was epidermis
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  or collagen, like with scleroderma, it attacks your collagen. So these these patients, their skin was
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  so taught they couldn't like open their mouths, their hands were contracted and I just had so much
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  empathy for these patients. I'm like, do I like dermatology? So and unfortunately,
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  do I attack them? Yeah. And that was like one of the most competitive specialties and I was like,
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  well, shit, man, why do I want to do this? There it's like so competitive. But I was very fortunate
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  and I got into a combined internal medicine dermatology program because I was really interested
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  in complex medical in autoimmune diseases. And when you're in conventional residency,
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  you're just trying to survive like it's such an unfortunate model where we're doing these 30
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  hour shifts. And it's it's like so ironic, right? Like as doctors during our training, it's like
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  we're learning how to help heal people. But as we're doing it, we're completely obliterating like
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  our own health by like having crazy shifts and eating terrible foods in the hospital and just
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  being under a so much stress physically and mentally. So I felt like I just was in survival
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  mode and I just got sucked into this, convinced the world. And I sort of felt like I lost my way
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  a little bit and was just like, okay, I guess I'm after this. I'm just going to go into private
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  practice because I just want to like just do to I just want to do what I'm with like the easiest
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  route, like the least like resistant. It may as total sense, you know? Yeah. And and as I was when
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  I was in my first year of practice, I was like, read a second, something's not aligning. I was seeing
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  over 50 patients a day. And it felt almost like, you know, I was just working at a factory. And I
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  wasn't in alignment with what I truly believe was true healing for these patients. Don't get
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  me wrong. I think that a lot of medicines are so helpful for for helping people heal their
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  their competence and making people more comfortable because so many people are just so
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  debilitated by so many skin issues. And so to me, there was a role, but I was like, there's still
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  not fulfillment. And I was wanting to find other ways to incorporate a more integrative approach
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  to my practice. A few years later, I finally found this program, I was called this Integrated
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  Dirtology Certificate Program. It was geared towards sports certified dermatologists. So I found
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  a group of like, my de germs, it was amazing. And just learned things from like traditional
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  Chinese medicine to Ayurveda through like supplements that we have evidence for that can be
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  supportive like because so many people can't tolerate certain prescription medicines for acne.
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  And or they'd rather do other things to heal their thought or take other supplements. So
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  so I'm doing a mixture. Exactly. So I'm doing a mixture of both and that's where I am now.
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  And somehow social media kind of fell in the mix too. Yeah, you're doing really well on social
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  media. Oh, thank you. And I want to be bold and say, I think you're have an amazing heart.
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  Blake and I think you're very sensitive. Oh my gosh. And you got some special stuff in you. And
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  you're I can really see it in you like your heart. And just that as you're speaking, you're
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  I can feel that battle within you. Like most people would be like, I've worked really hard. I'm
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  just going to have a great life. You know, I've done the work. I'm just going to take the paycheck
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  and I'm going to have the babies when again, congratulations. This is number two on the way
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  and that not pay attention that intuition. And what your Japanese mother taught you
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  yes about these ancient wisdoms that that developed over millennia that may not have all
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  half science. They're having some science now, right? To back up what your what your mom did,
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  what your grandmother did. And to be able to now see that that's becoming mainstream and
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  integrated into what you're doing. So it's like the history of like you're bringing history
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  with you. Totally. And you're manifesting the love of your ancestors and your practice. And you
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  wouldn't you couldn't let that go. Yeah. Yeah. You can't just fall into this Americanized work
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  Western medicine is the only way. And we're better than Eastern medicine because the fact
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  it's not true. Eastern medicine is absolutely amazing. We Western medicine has some great benefit.
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  We're great at emergency care. We're horrible. Horrible at preventative medicine. We are. Yes,
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  we're good medics. Yeah, we're good medics. But yes, we're not we have chronic disease. We're well trained
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  if someone's in pain to get them out of pain. You know, we're well trained if they
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  if someone broke a leg or needed reconstructive surgery, we're really great at that. But we're
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  we're not we're good at keeping people alive. We're not good at, you know, preventing them for
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  getting sick in the first place or preventing them from having the skin disorder that they have.
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  So it's beautiful that you know, you're tapped into that. I see that.
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  Thank you. Thank you. My mom, yeah, had a huge influence. Actually, I didn't realize it at the time.
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  But when I was reflecting back on what drew me to medicine, you know, when we were younger,
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  she was so anti like tile and all, like whatever we got to fever, she would just pile
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  like blankets on top of us so we would just sweat it out. And she would make this Japanese mixture.
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  It was called tomobosake. And it was a sake, like warm sake. And she would put a raw egg in it. And
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  we would down it and then go to sleep. And I would wake up the next morning feeling like a million
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  bucks. Like I'd sleep on a pillow full of ice. It was like a rubber pillow from Japan. And you
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  cheaply empathize. So anyway, she would just do random things or like she would massage during
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  parts of my hand. Like if I was constipated, there was like a part of my index finger she would
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  massage. And so I felt like I was exposed. Hey, she's a wisdom. Yeah. To these. They're
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  in the right dishes. Yeah. And then I lived overseas. It's a long story. But I went to
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  boring school in Korea when I was in seventh and eighth grade in Seoul. And it was exposed to
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  other forms of healing there, like moxie bus gen and other herbal remedies in Korean medicine.
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  And yeah, I was just like, there's so much more than time and all. Yeah, it's the healing. So
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  well, the interesting about chickens and then maybe you can talk about the science because when
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  chickens are exposed to certain viruses, they will produce antibodies. Yeah, antibodies. So I
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  wonder because if they're getting exposed to if there were those chickens were part of the
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  community, right? And there was a virus around where they producing these IGY these antibodies.
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  And so when you when you took it, yeah, I wonder because they use it in pharmaceutical medicine like
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  this. Yeah, this is this is IGY is used, not in much in America, but in Japan, big time.
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  Oh, IGY's are used. So they're IGY's are used in to reverse dental disease because you can
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  produce an exact IGY that will attack a pigeon's revitis and other plaque causing
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  gum receding causing tooth rotting bacteria. Oh my gosh. Instead of taking your
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  history, yeah, which kills everything your microbiome and the very things that you the bugs that you
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  need for heart health, for God health, for digestion, for your skin, right? And you're literally
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  killing them. There's a lawsuit against a listerine because of that right now. And I did a whole
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  post about like being anti-history. Yeah. So so we're on the same yeah, they're on the same page.
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  And it's and it's amazing that, you know, Japan does that. There's a product called smile guard
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  by he marion that has brought that to the United States. And you know, nobody nobody nobody once
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  that they'd rather do blisterine versus take an IGY that's produced from a chicken, which is like
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  a natural, a natural kind of antibiotic, if you will, you know. So yeah, it's interesting.
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  It is. I mean, so I'm just thinking like I wonder if that's why it works so well. If it's a
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  local chicken, right, I don't know. Where did you grow up? Well, I actually grew up in New York.
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  Yeah, so it wasn't a local chicken. No, it was, I mean, she just, I don't know where the egg was
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  from that she, I mean, she could have been. It could have been. It would have been the
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  street check out their county, New York, Terry Town. I don't know. It was in the country.
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  It was in a, when you're a city suburb, so it wasn't a street trick. Yeah, I don't think so.
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  But yeah, I know, I mean, just random things. And I never thought much about it. I just
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  weren't growing up feeling a little bit embarrassed at the same time. I was like, I always wish I
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  just had like this normal American mom who knew what was up. And I was just, I thought my mom was
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  so just on the fringe and weird. And, you know, just didn't understand me. Yeah. And now it's
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  just crazy because, you know, we're best friends. And people love her, like people on social media
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  are obsessed with her. And they, they're like, protector at all costs. So yeah, no, I have definitely
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  a whole new appreciation for her. And I'm very grateful for her because she is a huge reason why I
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  where I am today. Yeah, as a physician, no, in a healer. Well, it's a beautiful story. I love
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  this. So let me, let me ask out. So if there was three skin hacks, your Japanese mother taught you,
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  what would they be? Great question. So skin hacks that you're now applying, you may have not
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  thought that were, but just like things that you thought were wacky back then. But as you trained,
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  and they help so many people are like, I'm almost freaking right. Yeah. So, I mean, this, I don't
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  think this wasn't necessarily her idea, but she would massage her face with something cold.
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  And I feel like now you see so many ice rollers and whatnot out. And she would use cold
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  objects that she just put in the freezer. She eventually did buy an ice roller. And it was
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  something that I never seen anyone do in dermatology. But it makes sense. I mean, I always tell patients,
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  you know, practice that with caution because you people literally can get freezer. So ice can
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  really help deep off your skin. And the act of massaging helps with circulation too. So I'm
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  currently obsessed with it. Just in the morning, I like to do it as a way to help make me look more awake.
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  Especially if you want to be on a podcast like this. So, um, so that's one thing that she,
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  she did. And then all the things that she did were all about promoting circulation because when
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  you have good circulation, you can bring more nutrients to all your organs, including your skin.
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  So another thing that she did that may or may not be directly related to your skin health,
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  but I think it's related to your overall health, which will help your skin help, is she would lay
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  down with her legs up on the wall, like in a perpendicular, like an L shape. And she would do that
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  for like 10 minutes a day. And I was like, what are you doing mom? But now it's like trending.
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  I've been trending over the last few years. And that was what that was a huge viral video that I
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  had on TikTok in 2020 when I was sharing that tip from my mom. And then another viral video,
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  once again, promoting circulation in the body. There's this machine. It's hilarious. It's called
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  the swing master, but it's also known as the Chi machine. And you rest your ankles on it. And it
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  just swirls your whole body like in this Vigorate position. And you feel actually so relaxed when
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  you use it, but it's it actually helps like move your lymphatics better. There was actually one small
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  scientific study because I was like doing research behind it. Like is there actually any evidence
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  behind it, but it does help with lymphedema, which are cases where you have lymphatic fluid building
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  up in your lower extremities from poor circulation. Like so people with like really swollen ankles.
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  And so it can help with that. But she was doing that people people, um, the lint works with it.
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  Yes, with it. Yeah. Yeah. And like it was sold out on Amazon, like all the different variations
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  of the Chi machine. I remember just from your post. From my post. I was like, I would because
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  people like, where can I buy this? We're gonna buy this. So I was like posting the links. And
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  and then like they were all sold out. Oh my gosh. Your Japanese mom sold out bench swings.
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  Yeah. I know. That's a good. Um, yeah. Right, right, right. And I'll be close people in their
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  parasympathetic relaxes them. It does. Yeah, it does. I feel great whenever I use it. So yeah,
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  so that was a huge hit. And then she's 77 now. She was 72 in 2021. She went viral, but everyone's
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  like, she looks like she's in her early 50. And what is she doing? And, um, so I think that
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  I'm a huge believer that your internal health is so important for your skin health. Yeah.
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  Don't get me wrong. There's a lot of amazing skincare products out there with amazing
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  ingredients that are so helpful for your skin, your collagen. But I do think that what you're
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  putting in is also just as important. And one of the things that she did was onion skin tea,
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  which you don't really think about, like, what onion skin? Onion skin. But apparently,
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  a lot, it just this skin is really dense with nutrients, because it's, it's like the paper
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  you start. Yeah, the papery stuff. Yeah. And it's, it's like, that's where it all accumulates,
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  you know, because that was like the first part of the onion. And then finally, that's like the
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  oldest part of the onion. Yeah. So it's a bit more concentrated actually with nutrients. Yeah. So
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  she would, you know, she'd always make sure she buy organic onions. Um, and then she would save the
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  paper, like whatever, the outer peel that you were all very late away, we're throwing it away.
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  And she would just boil it for about 10 to 20 minutes. And it's full of a bunch of nutrients.
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  So when I was doing research on it, there's a higher concentration of quercetin in onion skin.
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  And so you're getting a higher amount of that if you're drinking this concentrated tea form.
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  And quercetin, you know, we have a lot of different studies of how it helps with inflammation
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  and other chronic diseases and aging and cancers. So I thought that was a fun tip too.
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  That's an amazing tip. Yeah. Yeah. And it's easy. It's cheap. That's the thing that people
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  really appreciate. Like putting your legs on the wall, like boiling onion skin, these are things
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  that you can easily do. Well, that's why I love about Eastern medicine. Like they knew that the
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  onion skin was a value, right? And we throw it away. We throw away all the parts, uh, if you
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  eat meat, all the parts of the organ meats. And I know people take that really far, but we don't,
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  we're not knows the tale, right? So retainsing with, you know, vegetables. We're not knows the
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  tale vegetables. We throw away some of the most important nutrient dense anti-inflammatory parts
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  of, yeah, of an onion. Yeah. But Eastern medicine has found that when you, if you want to get healthy
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  or feel better or boost your immune system, it's the skin. No, it's the skin. It's like the embryo
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  of the of the of the onion. And we're just tossing it away. We're just tossing out, you know,
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  the liver. We're just tossing out the, the chive tops, which may have whatever, right? We might,
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  like a lot of these different parts. Yeah, exactly. We won't eat that in America. We won't eat certain
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  things of the vegetables. We only like the tops of the broccoli sprouts. One of more of the,
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  the sulfur-based, the hormone-supporting parts of the broccoli, the, yeah, the sulfur rains are
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  in that stem. Like I'm not saying that we, we throw things out because we're told, right? But
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  in other countries, they don't waste food. Yeah. And it all has a purpose. We turn this, we eat
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  this, we turn this in the tea, we dehydrate this and, but the wastefulness. Right. Well, okay,
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  it reminds me of my first spiral video with my mom. We were at the beach. This was May of 2020,
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  and she was eating a banana per breakfast. She then proceeds when she's done with it. She then
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  proceeds to take the banana peel so that we would naturally throw away and start rubbing it on her
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  face. And then she was like rubbing it on her forearms. And I was like, I have to report this
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  as, yeah, hilarious. And, and I was doing research too. And there's, there are benefits to banana peel
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  or to bananas in general for your skin, although it's another one. So it's another one. Yeah. Yeah,
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  I mean, it's not something that I feel like is going to be more powerful than a lot of skin
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  here that's out there. But it's one of those things where it's like cheap, easy. If you're not
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  allergic to bananas, you know, why the hell not? And, and I remember that people were going
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  not so over that. And, and the people love that. They love that. They love things that they don't
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  that doesn't have a thousand ingredients in it. And they don't know what to choose. And they go to
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  go to a store and people like me go in and say, best skincare at Costco, you know, and, and they're
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  like, well, I just want a banana. Can that just rub a banana off face from what that help? Well,
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  so what what's inside of a banana that could support skin health? So banana actually,
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  interesting has like very gentle exfoliating ingredients. So that can help with skin renewal.
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  There's different vitamins in there, like a little bit of vitamin C, some B, B vitamins. And
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  like it can also be hydrating to the skin as well. It's it's one of those things where I don't
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  think it's going to be as hugely impactful as a well formulated moisturizer or a well formulated
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  vitamin C product. But it vitamin C serum or something. Something that's like, but it's free.
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  It's when I'm making sure it's free. And so it's easy. So like my take on it is if it's not
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  harming you and you're already eating a banana, like sure, like it used an ideal. What about
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  eat hydrating the banana skin and making banana skin tea? Okay. So that was a video that I
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  hit with my mom too. She didn't everything I learned about health, but the natural health I learned
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  from my my Japanese right? Yes. So she she we did another video because we talked about onion
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  skin tea. We talked about using a banana peel on your face. And I was like, well, what about
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  boiling banana skin? Which is what she also does too. So she'll boil the banana skin and drink
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  banana skin tea for those seen nutrient benefits. Like there's certain pee vitamins, vitamin C.
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  And it's so yeah, I mean like just making the use the most out of like every vegetable or
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  everything they decide your disposal. And it's cheap and easy and free. Like you're going to throw
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  that banana like a 30 cent banana peel anyway. So. And it's going to go to a landfill. It's not
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  right? You know, yeah, it might not ever get. Yeah. Yeah. We're back into nature like it should.
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  So it's like knows the tail fruits, knows the tail vegetables. Yeah. Like using all the parts.
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  And I think that tethri connects us to nature gives us respect for nature. Respect for the
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  environment because we're not just you know, wasting the all that effort and nature nature put into
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  the sunshine. Like it's it's a lot of energy. Yeah. There's so much energy. And Rahu is really
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  you know, yeah, especially if it's a regenerative type farmer or scenario or someone in the Philippines
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  that think Philippines is for most of our bananas come from now. Okay. Yeah. I'm not sure. I can't
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  remember. I like think of South America. Yeah. The banana story is actually pretty not a good story.
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  Like the industrial banana revolution and how you know, that's the yeah, it's a look that one
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  up on Instagram where we're to how did how did the new the commercial banana. It's again,
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  it's a lot of money trail. A lot of a lot of good see that force being burnt down and you know,
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  corners on the market once again, you know, just like Rockefeller type oil things, right? It's
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  so it's one of those stories. But anyway, let's not get into conspiracy. That's not all we're going
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  to add value today. You know, what are three foods that you think would definitely benefit your skin?
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  There's so much out there, but I'm thinking about the ones that we have a lot of evidence for when
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  it comes to really helping your skin barrier, keeping your collagen healthy. So one of the food groups
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  are omega three foods. So there's different sources of omega threes. There's salmon, you know,
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  obviously we want wild caught or sardines, like smaller fish, the better and less best tops and
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  less monetary hawks in the ass mercury. I have to look into this more, but I mean, people are saying
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  like omega three supplements are potentially even cleaner than eating the fish itself.
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  You guys depend on omega three. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. Um, and then you know, there's also like
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  certain vegetable sources too, whether it's like chia seeds or flax seeds, but getting those healthy
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  fats because the fats are like the cornerstone for our cell membrane, the cell lipid bilayer,
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  there's fatty acids, and we want to have healthier fats. Our cell will work better, signals will
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  transfer better if you have like a solid cellular membrane around your skin cells, and like it'll
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  maintain, it'll keep moisture in your skin. And also, you know, omega threes are anti-inflammatories.
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  Yeah. With all sorts of things, whether it's inflammatory skin issues, we have a lot of data
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  showing support in psoriasis and eczema, as well as like anti-aging, like supporting your collagen.
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  So um, we love omega threes because of conventional meat. We can be omega six dominant because
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  the ratio is way off. If once again, if if foods are grown outside of nature, how they were
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  intended, it throws off the fatty acid ratio. And once again, we suffer the consequences with
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  inflammatory disease because we have too much. Yeah. Of one omega because there's the
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  magic ratio that they say in nature is omega six is a four to one ratio, omega six to omega three.
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  Yeah. So you're saying get your get so you're taking omega three, getting your cell membranes back
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  into balance. Mm-hmm. And also, yeah, decreasing your inflammatory low. Yeah. And I think that
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  there is a anti-inflammatory. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's also data with acne too. I think so much
• 23:26
  of the lestern diet is playing a role in the acne that we're seeing today.
• 23:30
  Um, another food group is harder to give one figure, but no, it's okay. It's okay. It's fine.
• 23:36
  It's fermented foods that can really help nourish your gut. So yeah, and it's hard to say,
• 23:42
  oh, it's specifically kimchi or like, not though, which I love. Um, was not not not though.
• 23:48
  It's a Japanese food. It's fermented soybean. Something also I learned from my job.
• 23:53
  I mean, that's a healthy way to have soybean. Oh, good. It's a healthy way to have soybeans
• 23:57
  right because because obviously there's certain issues with soy, but this this fermented form
• 24:02
  is is healthier. And it's full of, okay, fiber, but it also has this, the psilous probiotic in it.
• 24:10
  And it also is a high amount of vitamin K2. We love vitamin K2. We don't. That was worth vitamin.
• 24:16
  It tells word, but that I mean where it tells calcium were to go. Yeah. Exactly. And I kill
• 24:20
  like so much of conventional medicine doctors don't know that. Maybe they're starting to.
• 24:26
  Cause like, they're not started yet. Yeah. Yeah. Not yet. They'll get vitamin D stuff from
• 24:30
  it without K2. And then right or calcium. I would out. Yeah. And then we see calcium in the arteries.
• 24:35
  We see calcium in the skin. There's like, they're in skin disorders. Calcium is as cute as
• 24:38
  calcable access worse. Calcium builds up in your skin and it's so bad. Calcifying your pituitary.
• 24:43
  Yeah. Calcified like things that aren't your bones, you know, and like, it's just taking away
• 24:49
  calcium from your teeth from your bones. People more osteoporosis. So yes. Yeah.
• 24:54
  We want the six-year-old women out there like, oh, I'm getting brittle bones. So they just pounding
• 24:58
  a calcium supplement and they could in doing that improperly without K2. Yeah. You literally could
• 25:05
  be increasing your risk to heart disease. Yes. Yes. So definitely for those of you who are
• 25:10
  taking calcium by itself, I would definitely have a discussion with your doctor. And they may not
• 25:18
  be able to say for another donor. Well, you can say, well, that's our nice about what you're
• 25:22
  doing. Amina, I think I'm out of Christmas is that you're a triple board certified MD. You've done
• 25:30
  the work. They can, they can say, I learned it from you, right? They hear from me. I'm just, I'm just
• 25:35
  known toxic that non toxic that not has a nutrition degree. And therefore I will, he's an idiot.
• 25:40
  No, no, it's like this is born or they're peers. And it's life. Look, you know, there's a lot
• 25:45
  of designs here, guy. Yeah. You know, I mean, we can throw out some John Hopkins studies if you
• 25:49
  want. Maybe some Harvard studies and, you know, this is, this is how, you know, this is the biological
• 25:55
  pathway. And we learned this in school. And it's okay. You can give them, you can give them vitamin D
• 26:02
  with K2. You can give them D3. It's okay. Like if you doctor has you on vitamin D, which many doctors
• 26:08
  do have patients of vitamin D, you may want to consider taking a one that's formulated with K2.
• 26:13
  There's so many out there now that might just be an easy place to start. But you're so careful.
• 26:18
  You may want to. Yeah. You got let me say. Let me say I can say this. You definitely want you.
• 26:25
  Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You definitely want to because that's how vitamin D should be taken in some
• 26:31
  nutritional experts, not myself. And I'm not going to say I'm, you know, I mean, I've been in
• 26:36
  functional medicine in glitter for 20 years, right? And very few people know that about me. I'm kind
• 26:41
  of behind the scenes guy. This is all new for me. And it's like I was in, I was in, and school for
• 26:46
  a long time. And I'm now just talking about it, right? And that even getting synthetic vitamin D,
• 26:54
  I guess, vitamin D would come from sheep fur, right? I think for, oh, yeah. It comes from the
• 27:03
  different. There's different forms. There's even vegan. It comes from, you can get from plants,
• 27:08
  which is really great as well. But they're saying that even taking vitamin D supplement is,
• 27:15
  isn't that great? So there's that other, I'm not saying that I still, I still believe that
• 27:20
  taking vitamin D supplement with K2 in the right form. And the right form of K2 is important
• 27:26
  on the band forms. And it is the way to go. And I mean, the literature is replete. But now there's
• 27:32
  this new movement that taking vitamin D is not the way to go. And I haven't, I haven't looked
• 27:40
  at that research, but there's a lot of influencers, influencers out there talking about I haven't done
• 27:44
  the deep diet yet. So if you're waiting on me, do it yourself, because I'm not, I haven't gone
• 27:49
  there yet, because that's, I'm more on non toxic things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so what are
• 27:54
  the best foods? So we went, we went from omega three, as we went to fermentate foods, because the
• 27:58
  microbiome effect, the, the skin health, because your skin has a microbiome. Yeah, what's the third?
• 28:04
  So the dairy group are, once again, like it's hard, and it's going to be a broad category, but
• 28:10
  it's foods that are rich in colors, whether it's red, purple, green, so foods that are full of
• 28:17
  like polyphenols, and just like these rich antioxidants. So we're learning so much that they're playing
• 28:24
  a really big role with, yes, fighting oxidative stress from everything, whether it's like stress,
• 28:32
  pollution, like toxic foods, but also like our skin is a, is our barrier, and our skin is, is
• 28:39
  dealing with oxidative stress all day long. UV rays are literally like causing oxidative stress
• 28:44
  towards skin. I know that we have, there's so much benefit with the sun and like circadian rhythm,
• 28:49
  but it is UV, it's radiation, so that it can cause mutations in your DNA. It's true. And, yes,
• 28:55
  and so we want, I'm an oxidant, okay, okay, so you want any oxidants to help our DNA repair enzymes,
• 29:02
  so that we're not getting these mutations in our DNA, so that we're not getting skin cancer and
• 29:06
  other skin issues, like like the sunspots, I mean, I, I have some just from years as a teenager
• 29:12
  being outside, but I got on the tube. And I showed you one the other day, you know, or yeah,
• 29:19
  I, you're angry, you're angry, I feel like it's a sandpaper, then you're like wanting to check,
• 29:22
  yeah, I'm like, oh, well, thank you. Yeah, you can measure one's inspection, you know, it's,
• 29:26
  yes, free goes free, we do the free skin check. But yeah, so we want our bodies filled with
• 29:32
  antioxidants so that we can combat all forms of oxidative stress, whether it is like external
• 29:36
  on our skin or internal in our bodies. And when one of the things that, and I'll ask you this
• 29:41
  question, I have two, two fun questions for you. But if you're eating a lot of antioxidants,
• 29:47
  if you're eating a lot of healthy fats, I was told that you're not going to burn as easily,
• 29:53
  you're going to, especially some of like the reds that, and the, and the, and the, and things,
• 29:57
  and yeah, so yeah, leaching, like those, the, even like tomatoes and the reds and that's raspberry.
• 30:06
  So you're, your chances of getting a gene mutation, right? So I'm doing all the same things,
• 30:13
  you know, yeah, yeah. So getting a skin mutation and I'm getting even sunburn is far less,
• 30:20
  is that true? It is. I love that you're bringing this up because I think that what more and more
• 30:25
  research is coming out is what we're putting in our bodies internally. It's going to also help
• 30:29
  our skin externally from the sun. There's more supplements coming out now. We have great supplements
• 30:34
  so far. We could use even more studies, but we have really great evidence behind,
• 30:38
  so they're called polypodium macatomas, which is a firm plant extra, and it's in a lot of supplements,
• 30:43
  one called heliocare, that people can take to help minimize sunburn, but foods, there are rich
• 30:49
  in these like red colors, so like bell peppers, tomatoes, raspberry, they contain certain compounds
• 30:55
  that do help protect your skin from UV rays as well. But I do say this with caution because I
• 31:00
  don't think that, okay, if I just eat this and avoid seed oils that I'll be good because it's,
• 31:08
  I think it's a lot more complex than that, but please, please eat those foods like, you know,
• 31:13
  do everything that you can to optimize your skin health because it's only going to help you.
• 31:18
  I, you know, I think that it's still important to have some protective practices. Like I said,
• 31:24
  I think the sun is beneficial in so many ways, so my motto is sun responsibly.
• 31:30
  Like, yeah, you can go out in the sun that just do it in a responsible way, like make sure you're
• 31:34
  eating healthy, make sure you're doing like to some protective things, and still enjoy the sun,
• 31:39
  still enjoy outdoors. Yeah, so it was like, oh, how about ant, is it aces?
• 31:45
  Acesanthin, there's a lot of awesome research coming out with acesanthin,
• 31:50
  not only in terms of it being a some protective compound, but also like helping with inflammation,
• 31:56
  helping the type of pigmentation, a lot of really cool skin benefits, and I think there's
• 32:00
  going to be more coming out with acesanthin, but I'm a huge acesanthin man. That's awesome,
• 32:05
  because maybe we use it now, and our, and our girls who are very fair, they're even,
• 32:10
  when they're younger, they're sun sensitive. And I don't know the signs behind this is,
• 32:15
  maybe this is for me, but you're, you're someone's, a kid's child skin is the barriers a lot,
• 32:22
  is that or delicate? Yeah, a lot more delicate. You know, it's more absorbable toxins.
• 32:27
  This is why I teach on, you know, you don't want to put toxic skin care, especially on children,
• 32:33
  and let them use the, with all the fragrance in the chemicals, especially when they're younger,
• 32:38
  because it's like 10 times more. They're kind of more, kind of more things more. Yeah, so it's
• 32:42
  to be a little more cautious. I mean, our skin, thankfully, has a lot of protective mechanisms
• 32:47
  in place, even in kids, but, but yes, you're right, younger kids, to have more absorbable
• 32:52
  capability in their skin. I read that, and I read that literature. Yeah, now I get to,
• 32:57
  I get to throw it up somebody, you know, this is your light passion. So anecdotally, I've,
• 33:03
  with my girls, if they take acesanthin, that I say, right? Yes. So when my girls take
• 33:08
  acesanthin, they, they don't burn. That's amazing. But we're very careful, right? I do,
• 33:14
  we make our own sunscreen. Interesting. So I do. And then my wife buys like a, you know,
• 33:19
  like the badgers of the world, the zinc side. So I'm for that. I'm not confident in it at home
• 33:24
  sunscreen, just because of, there's so much testing to that's involved with sunscreen. We
• 33:29
  got to make sure you're not buying one that's full of lead, or toxins. Yes. That's a whole
• 33:34
  another conversation. You get a zinc oxide. It's from, from, you know, the ground, you
• 33:38
  could be getting blends are high and lead, but they're testing a lot of these. They're,
• 33:41
  some of them are actually, I'm, lead is absorbed through the skin, right? The molecule is, is,
• 33:46
  is small enough. It's not as much as if you ingest. Right. Right. And again, if children get lead,
• 33:53
  that's the big issue, right? Because again, it's like 50 times of the effect. Because of
• 33:59
  some biochemical process and a kid, they're way more susceptible. They absorb a way more lead
• 34:05
  than adult up to 50 times. So you got to be careful. I'm sure that's the same on the skin.
• 34:10
  And so, yeah, as a medical doctor, you don't know what the SPF is. Like, I get that. Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:15
  That's our word. Like not. Yeah. So, yeah. So, you can't be. Yeah. I can't be. I'm non-toxic
• 34:22
  that I can be. And my kids and my wife use so many different brands for it to zinc oxide base.
• 34:28
  So what is your favorite type of sunscreen? For kids, I would say to be on the safe side,
• 34:34
  you can use mineral sunscreens. I think that brands that I like for kids, I am a fan of Badger.
• 34:38
  I also like Tinker Baby. I'm also a fan of Soul. Yeah, Soul. Soul.
• 34:45
  Sun in the solar. Yeah, Sun in the solar. What is that? Soul in Sun. Soul in Sun.
• 34:50
  I know, I'm just thinking about it. Oh, let me look it up because I want to sky and soul.
• 34:53
  Yeah, sky and soul. Give them a shout out there. They are a good company. I think they're
• 34:58
  reformulating for lower lead because they had quite a bit. Oh, did they?
• 35:01
  Because zinc oxide naturally is contaminated with lead. And I never thought about that.
• 35:06
  Yeah, and you have like a calcium, like, you know, the magnesium and calcium supplements.
• 35:12
  If you're getting they because they're coming from the earth unless they're a keylated mineral,
• 35:16
  they can be. I don't even think about that. I'm contaminated with lead. So you can literally
• 35:21
  what and what I, this is the big thing for me because when you go to a manufacturer and say,
• 35:25
  I want to make a zinc oxide the best safest and they're putting all these, you know,
• 35:30
  non toxic oils. You could practically eat it, right? You know, practically, you know,
• 35:35
  I wouldn't ever recommend doing this zinc oxide in it. You know, yeah, you know,
• 35:39
  going to do weird things. Yeah, so not a good idea, but for the most part, all the caring oils
• 35:44
  and it's safe for organic oils and it's, you know, you could. But so they go to the manufacturer,
• 35:52
  they want to do the best work. But the manufacturer doesn't say, well, would you like to choose
• 35:59
  a very low-lead zinc oxide so that you would make sure that your child that's wearing this,
• 36:05
  who has up to 10 times the absorbability of that lead through their skin and then 50 times,
• 36:12
  you know, in their body and it can cause at a young age because the blood brain barrier
• 36:17
  and all these things can cause neurological damage. We don't think about the unintended
• 36:21
  consequence of formulating products, especially for our children to be lower in lead. And that's
• 36:26
  one of the things I have a, one of my world-changing projects is called the non-toxic project. And I
• 36:31
  do certify companies as non-toxic and I look at a suite of heavy metals far beyond with the FDA
• 36:38
  requires. And you know, things like phallium and other toxic compounds. It's a labor of love. I
• 36:46
  have, and it's a lot of work because I'm doing all this. I really have a, you know, it's like
• 36:51
  Matesafe is a great company as well, but they don't do physical testing. So Matesafe's a great
• 36:56
  company. But I'm trying to make something, I want to create a movement where a manufacturer
• 37:02
  of skincare, of supplements realizes you can manufacture your product that had the lowest
• 37:07
  amount of heavy metals. There's hundreds, sometimes, you know, six, seven hundred different
• 37:13
  sources or suppliers for a zinc oxide. Yep. And depending on where it's mined,
• 37:20
  you can get, or processed, get some that low-leads, some that's high-lead. Interesting.
• 37:26
  Right. And some of these products should have propped 65 warning labels on them. Anyway,
• 37:31
  I'm going off from one of my passions because, but it's interesting that I don't think I want
• 37:34
  to dermatology. And SkySoul is a good product suite company. They're reformulating. But it's like,
• 37:40
  you know, Badger, I don't know if it was quite as high, but, you know, it was just, I think that
• 37:46
  was, let's say, for Mama, you know, lover or hater, you know, I mean, she, she does real testing.
• 37:51
  Like a lot of people, you know, she makes a lot of people mad. Yeah, I know, because it just disrupts
• 37:56
  your life. You know, they're like, wait, I've been using this and I love it. I don't want to have
• 38:01
  to think about these things. But no, I think it's something that it's good to talk about because
• 38:05
  I don't think we think about that as dermatologists. Well, they're going to think about it now. Yeah.
• 38:09
  Because you're saying, right? Right. We should think about that. Yeah. They're not going to,
• 38:13
  nontoxic that is like push, push, you know, he didn't do the work. And I get it. I have done
• 38:18
  the work, but it's just you understand me. You don't see where I've come from the suffering I've been
• 38:22
  through. And so that's where I focus, you know, but you're focused on, you know, all the things
• 38:29
  in the biology that promote healthy skin and then helping people get out of pain and, you know,
• 38:34
  massive breakout. They have an autoimmune reaction going on and you might need to give them
• 38:38
  from some pragma zones so that they give them all. Yeah. Yeah. Because also like people,
• 38:44
  one of my biggest things too, and one of the biggest reasons why I went into dermatology,
• 38:47
  because I suffered with this myself is helping people with their confidence. And the skin,
• 38:53
  everyone can see your skin. You know, nobody really can see if you have high blood pressure,
• 38:56
  but people can see when you have acne, when you have psoriasis all over, and when you have
• 39:03
  dandruff even like, and when you're addressing their skin, like you're helping them on multiple
• 39:10
  levels, like you're helping them mentally and like mental well being translate so much to physical
• 39:15
  well-being, like, because I think to me, healing starts in that office, like whenever, like I hold
• 39:23
  that patient's hand and like reassure them that their skin's going to get better, like when they're
• 39:28
  already walking out, feeling like confident that their skin's going to get better, like,
• 39:32
  they're already starting the healing process. To me, confidence is so important when it comes to,
• 39:37
  you know, overall well-being, mental and physical well-being, but also as a physician, just being
• 39:44
  with the patient, being in the room with the patient, reassuring them that their skin will get
• 39:49
  better and giving them that confidence. Like confidence is already starting right there in the
• 39:53
  patient room, and so when that patient walks out, like healing is already starting, even before
• 39:58
  they put creams on their skin, because like, shifting the mindset is so important to to healing.
• 40:06
  To me, I think that the power of the mind is also really important.
• 40:09
  You don't have to convince me, right? And we started this podcast with like, I saw your heart,
• 40:14
  you know, and how much you, you know, you deeply care, and you know, that's why you were,
• 40:18
  you just want to do the right thing, you know, and I could see that, and you, and here it is,
• 40:23
  the manifestation of that, because you know that the love and energy you give someone, I just had
• 40:29
  nature winners, right? Love is the medicine. Like that, again, it's, you know, you come from kind
• 40:36
  of an Eastern medicine background, so you understand that, like you understand vibration and healing,
• 40:41
  and in Western medicine, we kind of lost that, but you're bringing that, you're marrying Eastern
• 40:46
  medicine with Western medicine, and you know that love is the medicine. Yeah. And if you don't
• 40:50
  just, if you don't have the energy and hope to give someone, the placebo effect is, is real.
• 40:57
  It's real. You know, I mean, all these, all these great psychologists from, what's the guy that
• 41:02
  does the big events now? It gets like healing, not, um, Dr. Joe to spend the, yeah, Joe, he's got this,
• 41:10
  you know, caught like following because the power of the mind, and stimulating hormones,
• 41:14
  and healing hormones inside your body. So this isn't woo woo, this is science bear,
• 41:19
  though, if they're running massive clinical study, they're changing genetics, they're changing
• 41:23
  blood work. So, yeah, sorry, you know, I mean, there, and I get more isn't to come with it too.
• 41:28
  Like that's enough, another passion of mine, yeah, is like, changing the subconscious mind,
• 41:33
  and potentially like healing past traumas or past moves, and how that can help with inflammation
• 41:38
  or chronic disease. I think that there's more happening with that. I think there was a ton more
• 41:43
  happening with that. So now I'm skinned back to some of my fun questions. How many bugs are on
• 41:47
  our skin? Billions, not trillions, yeah, we have a very extensive microbiome, and it's a huge part
• 41:56
  of our skin barrier. So when we think skin barrier, we think, okay, the top layer of our skin,
• 41:59
  which is the epidermis, and we think of like the keratin, but it's, it's a whole ecosystem of
• 42:06
  bacteria, viruses, fungi, fungi, and as well as like the pH of our skin, and the lipids,
• 42:14
  the keratin. Yeah, so it's very important. And when there's a description in the microbiome,
• 42:20
  we definitely see issues in, it manifests the skin issues. A classic example is with eczema.
• 42:28
  In cases with eczema, your, your skin, their, their skin barrier is biologically different.
• 42:32
  There is a genetic component for people who are more predisposed. I don't think that
• 42:35
  just because you have the genetics, you're, you're now a victim to eczema for the rest of your
• 42:39
  life, because there's ways to deal with it. But biologically, there's a difference in your,
• 42:42
  in your microbiome, and there's a difference in them in the microbiome ecosystem in that there's
• 42:48
  less diversity. And when there's less diversity, staff bacteria have a higher propensity,
• 42:53
  and when there's more staff, then there's more eczema flares. So I think the microbiome is a huge
• 42:59
  area to look at when it comes to dealing with eczema, both internal and external. Because,
• 43:04
  you know, as, you know, the internal microbiome, there's such a huge interplay with the bacteria
• 43:09
  and our gut lining and the immune system, which is lining our intestines. And so sending signals
• 43:14
  constantly, which helps with just controlling the inflammation in our bodies. But, but yeah, with
• 43:19
  our skin, we, we are seeing that it's the, it's the diversity that's playing a really big role.
• 43:25
  Like in psoriasis, we see a higher amount of yeast on the skin in the areas where there's more
• 43:29
  psoriasis. So like anti yeast products are helpful. Foods that increase yeast overload, like,
• 43:35
  whether it's sugar, alcohol, we know that those cases flare psoriasis. So microbiomes huge.
• 43:41
  And so if you have a microbiome imbalance, that could be the reason you have one of these
• 43:45
  different skin disorders. Definitely. And we are reaching so much more coming out, especially in
• 43:51
  our gut. So not only on the skin, but in the gut, we're seeing so much more coming out with
• 43:56
  if there's an imbalance in your gut. I think we still need more studies, but definitely,
• 44:00
  we're seeing correlation with psoriasis, eczema, acne, hair loss even. So yeah, microbiomes huge.
• 44:08
  Yeah, and I think if you're missing certain bacteria in your gut, you need them to shut
• 44:14
  down. If you're missing a bacteria, it can turn off certain inflammatory genes that can be causing
• 44:20
  inflammation on your skin. So if you're missing the bug, you the in the genes active, you can't
• 44:28
  the bacteria actually turn the gene on and off. Yes. Yeah, bacteria. And then if you don't have
• 44:32
  enough of the certain good bacteria, then like the bad bacteria will take over too. And those
• 44:36
  will cause like more pro inflammatory things to happen. So yeah. And to the little bugs on your skin,
• 44:42
  like fight for you. So I have some health, your bacteria. And say I'm getting exposed to a virus.
• 44:49
  Can those bacteria fight that off? Yeah, same. Yeah, viruses, bacteria, because we're exposed to
• 44:55
  staff and a lot of like pathogens every day. We're getting exposed a lot of pathogens through
• 45:00
  that age back. Yeah. Yeah. Lots of mold. Yeah. So hopefully our lungs are helping out there. But
• 45:06
  on this long microbiome, right? Yeah. Yeah. Our skin, the good bacteria are there like protecting
• 45:14
  us. They're serving as a barrier and making sure that if there's a pathogen that the pathogen is
• 45:19
  not able to take over like the bacteria is like, nope, this is our territory. And so it's
• 45:24
  protecting you. So that being said, washing your hands with tri-classin and some antimicrobial that's
• 45:31
  not just going to wipe out the bad guy, but all those healthy bacteria. Is that a good or bad idea?
• 45:36
  It's I know because we do it all the time in the ethical field, we're using all these
• 45:40
  antibacterial things. So sometimes there are certain pathogens that are just super strong where
• 45:45
  it's like, you got to use these antibacterial products. But it ruins people's skin. Like,
• 45:51
  you see so much more hand eczema, like I see it so much more and especially if you're more predisposed
• 45:56
  to it. Or if you're not properly re-em moisturizing because there's there's certain microbiome
• 46:01
  replenishing ingredients in moisturizers. So re-em moisturization can be helpful. But yes, it ruins
• 46:08
  skin. So many. We use antibacterial products. You're wiping out your microbiome, which is part of
• 46:12
  your your skin biome, which is part of your little ecosystem, your little garden. And you can
• 46:18
  disrupt your garden, you know, that we have to re-grow. Yeah. And our bodies do have this ability,
• 46:24
  like the good microbiome can still magically and I can't tell you how like still can return. But
• 46:31
  I know it's it's like a tough subject or not subject for me as a physician. Yeah, you're like
• 46:36
  your dance on the road and you have to, you know, avoid antibacterial products. So because there
• 46:40
  are some pathogens that are just not. Yeah. And there's don't want to get exposed to so bad.
• 46:45
  It's about it as non toxic. You know, I can say that soap and water works really great to your
• 46:50
  kids. You don't need to have your kids wiping with quats, wipes on their desk and, you know,
• 46:56
  and and putting alcohol, which if they do too much of it, they can literally get alcohol poisoning.
• 47:01
  And it's just that's a fact. You do quite often, but you're still that your alcohol highly
• 47:07
  absorbable, but you're still getting alcohol. It's still getting in your bloodstream. So if you're
• 47:10
  using too much hand sanitizer, your kids are getting alcohol poisoning. That happened during
• 47:15
  the pandemic. And so that's an extreme case, but it is drying out your skin. It's wiping out
• 47:21
  your cells. It's removing the oils. It's killing the microbiome. All the things that you said,
• 47:25
  we're good for your skin. So I'm here to say, and you said it's not good for your skin, right?
• 47:30
  But you're saying there's a time and a place. There's time and a place for those. And, you know,
• 47:34
  there are products and things that and even our innate ability at the skin to be able to help
• 47:39
  replenish that microbiome back together, if you're not repeatedly using those products. But it
• 47:43
  reminds me of an ingredient that I do really like. And I think a lot of people would appreciate
• 47:47
  as hypoclorous acid, which is a natural antimicrobial that our white blood cells produce naturally.
• 47:53
  And I like it because I do still think it's microbiome friendly. And I, but we use it in
• 47:59
  Durham a lot as an antimicrobial, but it's also soothing. It's anti-inflammatory so people can
• 48:03
  use it like for acne, soothing, eczema skin. So it's one of those really cool like antimicrobial
• 48:10
  ingredients that I like in case, you know, think about it. Like I carry, that's what I carry with me
• 48:14
  is like some hypoclorous acid gel. So hyperchlorous acid gel is safer than an alcohol-based gel.
• 48:21
  On your microbiome. On your microbiome. But not going to be though as 100%. 99.9% of germs.
• 48:27
  And it's not, I don't even know if it's 99.9% of germs. That's right. It's not like,
• 48:33
  like, you have to make the claim. If you make the claim on a label, you have to. Yeah. So it's,
• 48:38
  it's not going to be as, as like antibacterial as, you know, alcohol and trunkless
• 48:43
  or like 70% alcohol or trichlesan. But I think it's just like a sea for alternative people. Do
• 48:49
  why use something after they're out somewhere? That's something that I like. And then just the
• 48:55
  crazy question. Is it, is it the soap when you wash your hands on your skin? Is that killing off
• 49:02
  the bacteria or is it the physical action that kills the bacteria? It's more so. It's the,
• 49:08
  it's the chemical compounds and like this disruption of the pH that can affect and kill the bacteria
• 49:14
  on your skin. I don't think it's the physical. Because I heard that one. It's not bad. That's why I'm
• 49:18
  asking. So I know I have to look, no, I have to look it up on chat GP. Yeah. Yeah. It asks you.
• 49:23
  The last time I checked, we have a brain and, you know, you're better than any. And that's what I
• 49:26
  think. Yeah. So, and then here's, here's the last one. And this is, this is for my, for my,
• 49:31
  my 14-year-old daughter, my wife, you're doing face yoga is like to go to that work when they're
• 49:36
  doing this, like on the crow's feet and you're going, I know. There's so much out there. Yeah.
• 49:41
  With a AI voice over, like, it's okay. So I don't think it's hurting anything.
• 49:47
  And it's so interesting that there's a very well-respected journal. The journal American
• 49:51
  Academy of Dermatology, or sorry, the journal of American Medical Association, JAMA,
• 49:56
  the JAMA Dermatology did publish maybe in 2019 or 2020 a study showing face yoga. And they said that
• 50:05
  it didn't really, they showed like, I don't know, they looked at a bunch of different facial exercises.
• 50:11
  And it said it didn't really make a difference, but there was one that made a difference. It was
• 50:15
  like a cheek exercise and it helped slightly increase cheek volume or lift. Otherwise, it didn't
• 50:22
  really make a huge difference. So I don't, I can't wholeheartedly say, like, this is what you'd have
• 50:27
  to do to be able to get rid of your wrinkles. I can't say face yoga is the way to do it. If they
• 50:31
  enjoy it, like, and I know that even just the act of like moving your facial muscles and exercising
• 50:39
  is going to promote circulation. Yeah. It's like an ally. Yeah. So, and it's so crazy because, like,
• 50:44
  sometimes we'll see these people, because I follow even a couple of face yoga bull. And it's
• 50:49
  a fact that their faces look amazing. And they're like, I see what they look like before.
• 50:53
  Just things look more snatched. And like, their skin quality looks better. They could be doing
• 50:58
  other things too, but right before they get on camera, they're shooting all the other side.
• 51:02
  Honey, bring me the needle. Yeah. But yeah, it's one of those things where it's, I feel like we
• 51:08
  don't have enough evidence to say that it's going to be like, there's no evidence that it's hurting.
• 51:11
  It's not hurting. Yeah. Unless you're getting a little too rough, you know, doing the finger thing.
• 51:16
  Yeah. Just, yeah. Be gentle. Because we don't want to create more wrinkles,
• 51:20
  potentially. But yeah, be gentle. Yeah. Do toxins age your skin? So it depends on what toxins are.
• 51:25
  I think of toxins as like anything that's a physical burden on the skin or anything I can
• 51:30
  cause oxidative stress. We know things like pollution, UV rays, cigarette smoke, stress,
• 51:36
  like mental stress, poor sleep. These are toxic to our skin because they create, yes,
• 51:43
  because of the oxidative stress, they create something called free radicals. These are these
• 51:46
  unstable molecules that wreak havoc. They can attack our collagen and cause more collagen breakdown.
• 51:52
  If we don't have the internal resources to help fight those free radicals, these oxidizing
• 51:59
  molecules also be like antioxidants. If we don't have the reserve, then yes, we're going to have
• 52:04
  work celery to de-gene. There's something called, I don't know if it's gerontogens.
• 52:08
  Have you heard of that? I have heard of that term. Yeah. And I think on the gerontogens,
• 52:13
  I think mess with collagen somehow, which is toxins like environmental toxins. I think they're
• 52:19
  called gerontogens, but I have to look it up. Maybe film guy can look it up on Jordan. But there is
• 52:26
  some direct connection between toxins and the elasticity. What would that be? The
• 52:35
  collagen in a million alastin? Yeah, alastin, like lowering the alastin or collagen. There's
• 52:40
  a few studies on that I remember reading. There's different environmental factors. Yeah,
• 52:44
  definitely. We know like even cigarette smoke accelerates the enzyme that breaks down collagen.
• 52:50
  And so, yeah, we see more, yeah, less capable collagen, thinner alastin, and
• 52:58
  with that comes poor aging. If you saw someone who smokes a lot and you see them really wrinkle,
• 53:03
  there's a connection there. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. It's, yeah, cigarette
• 53:08
  do so much harm to the body in so many ways. So don't smoke for your skin. We can all agree upon
• 53:15
  that. Yeah. I don't care if you know, so we can all agree on that. Every medical doctor,
• 53:18
  you know, every health in glories or less, that's agree on that. Yeah, that's looking
• 53:23
  bad. Okay. And then beef talo. People are saying it, you know, and there is people online,
• 53:27
  I've seen them that fix their skin. Then I also see people where it costs a bunch of acne.
• 53:33
  So what about beef talo for your skin? Yeah, beef talo is interesting because it does have a
• 53:39
  similar composition to the sebum inner skin. And it can potentially work as a good moisturizer.
• 53:45
  For some people, honestly, I think there's so many better moisturizers out there. But yes,
• 53:49
  one of the biggest problems we see is that it can cause pores and cause acne breakouts. And then
• 53:54
  another potential problem. And I think this is where it can totally just depend on where the beef
• 53:59
  talo is sourced from and like who's making it like who the company is. But because if it's not
• 54:06
  stored properly, it can go rancid and then that can cause problems for the skin. Just like if you're
• 54:11
  eating olive oil or butter that's burnt, it's going to literally cause oxidative stress. Yeah,
• 54:16
  yeah. So rancid, being tall, it will cause oxidative stress, free bradable damage. Yes,
• 54:20
  or there would be like bacteria. Oh, yeah. So we don't like that. I'm not worried. Yeah.
• 54:25
  That's probably where it's killing our animals. It's nasty beef talo. It's nasty beef talo.
• 54:29
  So maybe, maybe in the future, like, because you know, Lannolin is derived from sheep's wool.
• 54:35
  And it's in so many products, but it was like finally figured out like refined in a way where
• 54:42
  it's like, safely used in products. There might be a date where it's like that with beef talo too.
• 54:48
  But it's not here right now. That standardized enough.
• 54:50
  Because I'll standardize enough. So what about out of the olive oils like olive oil, coconut oil,
• 54:56
  shea butter, shea nut butter, like out of those oils that people put on their skin? I mean,
• 55:02
  I use it. It doesn't really bother me. So if you want something that's like completely DIY,
• 55:06
  if you want to use like a home product on your skin, I do like coconut oil for the body.
• 55:11
  If you're not acne prone on the body, because we definitely see it clogged pores on the face.
• 55:15
  Yeah, I use it on the body. I don't use it on my face. Okay. So I think that we like it.
• 55:18
  Coconut oil actually has some antimicrobial properties too. So it's actually used as an
• 55:23
  ingredient in some exema moisturizing products. And it can also be like a helpful hair mask for
• 55:30
  some people. I would once again be careful about the the scalp because you can potentially get
• 55:33
  breakouts on the scalp or like yeast issues. Although it does have some anti yeast properties too.
• 55:38
  But anyways, I think you go work as a hair mask or body moisturizer. So I do like that.
• 55:43
  An oil that I really like that's in a lot of moisturizers is sunflower seed oil.
• 55:48
  sunflower seed oil. Yeah, that one. They even compared it to coconut oil to olive oil and studies.
• 55:55
  And it moisturizes really well compared to those. If you're looking for, like I said, once again,
• 56:00
  as a dermatologist, I'm all about there's so many great safe moisturizing products out there.
• 56:05
  If you're if you're using like an at home DIY product, I like some crunchy white aren't you
• 56:09
  non toxic dads? Yes. Yes. Um, it's okay. So so sunflower seed oil. And then um,
• 56:14
  which is funny because you're going to have the anti seed oil people say, but here's the thing.
• 56:19
  Some flowers seed oil. It's not canola oil, right? And they weigh in canola oil is an organic canola
• 56:26
  oil. So there is difference in seed oil. And no one likes to have that conversation. So just
• 56:30
  they're all seed oils. And so you say one thing, it's like, you're going to die if you if you
• 56:37
  if you do eat organic canola oil, right? You're not necessarily going to die. It's not as good as
• 56:42
  say a single origin all of you know, a glass bottle never hit plastic olive oil. But it's way
• 56:51
  better than a vegetable oil. It's way better than industrial hexane extracted bleached because
• 56:57
  you can't do it in it that stuff, you know, with canola oil. So yeah, it can be rancid. Yeah. Yeah.
• 57:03
  Yeah. So it's interesting conversation. It is. We get just like all of us. We get stuck in a
• 57:09
  thought and we just quit. All seed oils are bad. Right. All this is bad. Exactly. All skin cares
• 57:13
  back because I knew the moment I said sunflower seed oil, that's somebody's going to be like, oh,
• 57:16
  oh, it's a seed oil. Yeah, but it's so interesting. Yes, and could be fine. Right? And we
• 57:20
  want to like ask it like the things that we see in a lot of seed oils. A lot of these seed oils
• 57:25
  are like really great for the skin actually. So so sunflower seed oil. Yeah, sunflower seed oil.
• 57:31
  I'm one of them. And it's it's if it's not like, yeah, anyways, I know that's it's a whole
• 57:37
  other interesting conversation. Yeah, I mean, that's why we're here. We're here to have
• 57:41
  conversation and learn. That's why I kind of little bit of controversy in there. Maybe I can't
• 57:45
  get that one through. So I'm growing, you know, I've studied this stuff. Like I don't I don't sit
• 57:49
  in on on one side of the fence, right? I'm like, oh, all oxalates are bad. Don't eat oxalates. So
• 57:56
  you get in that oxalate train. But wait a minute, if you cook it and all the things that you were
• 58:00
  saying, the the red vegetables, these these flavonoids, polyphenols, the the things that are
• 58:07
  antioxidants, anti bad stuff for your skin. You know, so sunflower seed oil. What what else?
• 58:13
  Because I'm interested. Yeah, what else that's like so is the nontoxic living like not harming
• 58:18
  your skin. Yeah, it's hard. It's all just because you're putting it. You don't need these aren't
• 58:24
  formulated with the skin. And so it's like, yeah, that's what you're saying. You know, like like
• 58:28
  olive oil, maybe you can do all. Well, we don't say put that in like if you have a formula and
• 58:33
  they're formulated in the skin with other things. Yes. Yes. So that's when you're to properly. Yeah,
• 58:37
  I wouldn't. So olive oil can be formulated in some product and have great results.
• 58:43
  Being one of them and several oils commonly incorporate in a lot of waste rising products
• 58:48
  and have great results. It's when you buy it. What if it's a cooking thing? It's not going to
• 58:53
  it's not me for the skin. And yeah, well, oh, yeah. So cooking. So a big like a big thing of
• 58:59
  sunflower oil that's GMO sunflower. And then you start going like this. And yeah, it's about
• 59:05
  you're saying. Yeah. And I did it reminds me of this other point too, because I know we were having
• 59:09
  this conversation the other day and about like, you know, you want to put on your skin like what
• 59:14
  you feel like you can safely eat. But I do want to reassure people that our skin is a beautiful
• 59:20
  organ that has so many amazing protective mechanisms of it has proteins, lipids,
• 59:25
  keratin that that are defending our skin from so many of the external environmental forces
• 59:32
  and factors out there. And our digestive system has enzymes. It's me to digest foods. So what we
• 59:39
  put on our skin versus what we eat is different. So like just because it's very very fair. Yeah.
• 59:46
  Magically shows saying if you can't if you can't eat it, you'll put it on your skin, you know,
• 59:50
  but it's okay. I guess I agree with it. Yeah, I do because I see your skin. There's a new one.
• 59:54
  Our skin behaves differently than our digestive try and our stomachs. I like our skin can't handle
• 59:58
  certain things that are digestive tract can't like our skin can't handle lemon cinnamon like
• 1:00:03
  vinegar baking soda sugar scrubs like those things we can ingest and our bodies are designed
• 1:00:09
  to absorb and handle those things, but our skin can't handle those things. So it's like
• 1:00:13
  that makes sense. When I say it's like, okay, if it's a toxic petroleum based compound
• 1:00:18
  that you can't pronounce that has known known carcinogenic and or hormone disrupting effects,
• 1:00:24
  that's what I'm saying. Like I'm saying that that's that's probably not in your best interest.
• 1:00:29
  As far as I'm concerned, there might be a risk reward that's involved there, but for me,
• 1:00:34
  and what I teach it's not I'm like minimize toxic maximize nature, you know, and I'm but I
• 1:00:41
  also want to be the person to say like I want people to not feel so scared and be able to
• 1:00:48
  still enjoy your life because our skin does a lot a lot more. I think we don't realize how
• 1:00:53
  much our skin does to protect us, and there's a lot of barrier protective mechanisms in place.
• 1:00:58
  That's why you should take care of it. That's why you should take care of it. Yeah. And yes,
• 1:01:03
  there's a lot that they protect you and it's shedding off bacteria and viruses like we said.
• 1:01:08
  It's keeping all the bacteria. It's keeping it's made to keep things out. So yeah,
• 1:01:12
  a lot of different than dogs. Yeah. So I point well taken. So sugar scraps, not for the face,
• 1:01:18
  but for the body. Safe or unsafe. I think overall safe if you don't have like super sensitive skin on
• 1:01:22
  the body. Yeah, I'm not a fan of it on the face because skin on the face, but I'm fine with it on
• 1:01:26
  the body. Yeah. My daughter makes me coconut sugar scraps. She's like dad, you need to exfoliate.
• 1:01:32
  Like look at your legs, you need to exfoliate. She's into skin. She's into it and I might
• 1:01:38
  baby like and she was like putting too many things on even natural things. I'm like honey, no.
• 1:01:43
  You have you eat perfect. Like you're eating fermented foods. You're, you know, you have a
• 1:01:48
  clean diet. You're not eating sugars. You're eating all the healthy fats. Like your skin is gorgeous.
• 1:01:52
  And only that she did she's she's she's homeschooled so she has extra time. Yeah, and it's fun. Yeah,
• 1:01:57
  it's fun. But though, oh my gosh, I did a video on these little girls that have these
• 1:02:04
  skincare routines that are using adult skincare is adult skincare, um, may for adult skincare
• 1:02:11
  at XYZ, whatever company or brand and they have they're using like 12 products and they're like
• 1:02:17
  10 years old. Tell me why that's dangerous. So there are a let me tell our first one to say that
• 1:02:23
  I know there's this huge movement with skin with younger kids using skincare. But what's crazy
• 1:02:28
  is that when you 9, 10, 11 years old, that's like really the best your skin's going to ever look.
• 1:02:34
  So you don't need all these products. And there's so many products as as we age our our skin
• 1:02:40
  shall turn over decreases. So there's products that are made to help increase skin shall turn over
• 1:02:43
  like certain exfoliating products. There's certain things like retinoids retinal like that.
• 1:02:50
  When your skin is when you're at such a young age, you don't need any of those things and they
• 1:02:54
  can potentially harm your skin, your skin, a mad preach. They can harm your skin. So please be
• 1:02:59
  careful. Yeah. Um, I think gentle cleansers are fine. Like that don't have any like exfoliating
• 1:03:04
  ingredients in them. Gentle cleansers of like a basic moisturizer is okay. What I don't like,
• 1:03:10
  you know, for instance, I'm well, I'm all about fragrance free. I know you are about it. Yeah,
• 1:03:15
  just minimize, just keep it minimal because you you really don't eat a lot. This is the skin,
• 1:03:21
  the buster skin is going to ever look. And you're beautiful already. Like beautiful already.
• 1:03:25
  I know it's fun. And if you're got us, you know, if you're guts bad and you're skin microbiome,
• 1:03:29
  that's a lot of the thing. So if you have skin, I got you to ask you, what about acutane?
• 1:03:34
  Okay. So there's a time and place for acutane because some people will actually become suicidal
• 1:03:38
  when they have really, really severe acne. And like so acutane has safe lives in that regard. And
• 1:03:43
  I'm so thankful for for that. And it's like I said, once again, one of the reasons I wanted to
• 1:03:49
  don't talk to you was to help people mentally to help boost their confidence. The thing is,
• 1:03:54
  is that, you know, there's so many potential side effects with acutane. 95% of people will experience
• 1:03:59
  dry skin because it's shrinking your oil. One of those is what that's how it works. And we have
• 1:04:03
  people check in every month to see how they're doing on it. And like I said, I prescribe it because
• 1:04:08
  because it helps people so much. I can't tell you like the change even like teenagers who
• 1:04:14
  who don't even have eye contact with me, they look down the whole time and then towards the end
• 1:04:17
  of the treatment, they're beaming smiling, competent, talking so much. But it's one of those
• 1:04:24
  things where I, because I had taken an integrative approach, I always also present with to the parents
• 1:04:30
  before even going on acutane, you know, we try everything else too. But I also talk about
• 1:04:37
  healing the gut and it's, it's a much longer road. And it's, you know, and there's certain
• 1:04:44
  supplements that can be potentially helpful for acne. And if they want to go that route, they can.
• 1:04:51
  The problem with people with severe cystic acne is that it's a time thing. So like the more they
• 1:04:55
  have cystic acne and the longer they have it, the more severe the scarring is. And that treatment
• 1:05:00
  is really hard. And then that can also cause mental health issues to like the severe acne scarring.
• 1:05:05
  So it's a conversation that I have of like, do you want to take the effort to do the gut healing?
• 1:05:10
  Or do you sometimes people do it at the same time? Yeah, I currently, yeah. So that we're healing,
• 1:05:15
  so that we're not having permanent damage from the acne, while also healing the gut. But yeah,
• 1:05:19
  it's one of those things where there is a role. But it's, I know a lot of it's very scary for a lot of
• 1:05:24
  people. So it's, that being conversation to have with your dermatologist. But it's so interesting
• 1:05:28
  because now that it's been out for so long for like 30 plus years, I mean, it was, it was discovered
• 1:05:33
  in the 70s. Actually, one of my faculty at George was Aaron discovered. Oh wow. So was it originally,
• 1:05:38
  let so many drugs was it originally discovered for acne? Or is it made for something else?
• 1:05:42
  And they found that it's one of those, it's actually was discovered for acne, I believe. Yeah.
• 1:05:48
  Oh, at least it's on the same track. Right, right. And it wasn't like an accident. Like, oh,
• 1:05:52
  this little drug threw it off the acne. No, I just, you're the pesticide and that's a sweet.
• 1:05:56
  No, no. Yeah. Right, right. Not one of those, not one of those. But they saw that like the mechanism
• 1:06:00
  with this vitamin A derivative is that it shrinks these oil glands. Oh, like could this be helpful
• 1:06:04
  for acne? And so the longer that it's been around now, actually, the more comfortable to
• 1:06:09
  reticle, just deal with it because there was a huge scare in the 90s with it about a potentially
• 1:06:12
  increasing suicide risk and the causing like GI issues like increasing inflammatory bowel disease.
• 1:06:18
  The evidence behind that has now since been debunked by both psych psychiatric research and
• 1:06:23
  journals as well as gastroenterology research and journals. But it's obviously not a medicine
• 1:06:27
  you want to take lightly. It's a huge deal. And like I said, there's a time and a place for it.
• 1:06:32
  Not everyone's a candidate for it. But it's for those with severe acne and they're not responding
• 1:06:38
  to other treatment and somebody and if they're dealing with severe scarring. Yeah. So severe
• 1:06:43
  athletes, fear scarring, time to place for medication, but it's not to be, I'll say this, I believe
• 1:06:50
  it's, it's over prescribed, you know, for a month. So yeah, so I think it's definitely something
• 1:06:55
  that you need to think hard about before, you know, for going on it because it does have
• 1:06:59
  dangerous side effects. Potentially. Yeah, potentially. But most people do great. And it's
• 1:07:04
  annoying because we don't know who can potentially get some of the scarier side effects. So
• 1:07:09
  everyone gets dry skin. That's the most common side effect. The next most common side effect,
• 1:07:13
  which happens about 15 to 20% of people is joint pain muscle soreness. And that's usually
• 1:07:20
  dose dependent. Once you're done with acutane, it goes away or like if that happens, if you adjust
• 1:07:25
  the acutane dose that can diminish very rarely though, like it can be like long-term joint issue.
• 1:07:31
  It's super rare, but it's, you know, we don't know who that happens to, but that that's a thing.
• 1:07:37
  And then there's hair loss, nausea, headache, random little side effects like that, which
• 1:07:42
  all usually go away after acutane. There's a scary side effect called pseudotumor cerebri. And
• 1:07:49
  usually it happens if you're on another medicine alongside, like if you're on an psorianobiotic,
• 1:07:54
  where you can get swelling in your brain. Super rare, like I said, and there's questions that we
• 1:08:00
  ask about your vision and your headaches to screen you for it, but it's not a joke. It's
• 1:08:04
  it's very effective, very effective, but it has it's not to be taken lightly.
• 1:08:09
  No, it's to be taken lightly, and there's a time and a place, like I said, if somebody's
• 1:08:12
  to the point where they're like suicidal because their skin is so bad.
• 1:08:15
  No, I mean, if any kids with some ripped bad skin, and then who's going to want to take,
• 1:08:20
  who's going to have the ability to take the the long, hard road? I mean, I would say I would
• 1:08:25
  at 50. Yeah. And there's so many people who that's not wanted to or if they just are going
• 1:08:32
  years old fix, you know, and part of it though, I mean, think about the world today, like how much
• 1:08:36
  with looks and like, you know, some lemon are now 30% plastic, you know, instead of like,
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  and that's taking us further away from nature. There's consequences to those toxins.
• 1:08:46
  Our body 100% of the time reacts to that, whether you're have good detox pathways or not,
• 1:08:52
  you put something foreign in your body, it's going to cause a low grade, low grade inflammation.
• 1:08:57
  There's no way around it. Yeah, there's a lot of things that we probably don't see or realize
• 1:09:01
  are happening. Yeah. So, but the movement towards, you know, I just like to say, I hope
• 1:09:08
  that over time that we accept nature, we accept the beauty and have fun and enjoy our skin and,
• 1:09:15
  you know, you're going to have beautiful skin for a long time because of people. Yeah. But, I
• 1:09:20
  mean, I think in Japanese women, they, they, there's a good genes. There is some good genes there,
• 1:09:25
  right? You know, some people look, you know, I, my skin's not perfect, but I'm out in the sun.
• 1:09:31
  I wear sunscreen when I know I'm going to be out for a long time, but I purposely dose my skin
• 1:09:37
  to build it up. But I'm going to get spots because I'm not putting sunscreen on and I'm okay with
• 1:09:42
  the spots. As long as I'm not burning my skin and causing, you know, you can't, we don't want
• 1:09:49
  that. So, there's a, you can't abuse, you know, you're being, you're not being responsible. You
• 1:09:54
  have to be responsible with the sun. It will damage your skin, especially if a bad diet,
• 1:09:58
  especially if a bad microbiome, you know, all those things. You can't be, you can't be like, oh,
• 1:10:03
  I'm all natural. And I'm just going to run around the first day of summer and with my shirt off
• 1:10:10
  and damage my skin. Yeah. And I also say like the more fair skin you are, it's like the red head,
• 1:10:16
  really pale skin, freckles, like 10 minutes. You're unfortunately at more of a disadvantage.
• 1:10:21
  You can go like five minutes, 10 minutes, but don't you get more vitamin D more quickly?
• 1:10:25
  And like, you can get vitamin D more quickly. So, you don't need as much sun. But yes, like,
• 1:10:30
  yeah, you just need to have more of those protective mechanisms in place, whether it is the foods
• 1:10:34
  in the sunscreen or cotton shirt that's fun. I'm all about some protective clothing because it's
• 1:10:38
  so easy, you don't have to think about it. And then like just do kids. I put my kids in the natural
• 1:10:45
  stuff because you are heat and there's BPAs and toxins. They have it as healthy as they have it as
• 1:10:50
  they haven't tested this stuff. Like now it's coming out. There's BPA, flame retardants,
• 1:10:55
  forever chemicals, from now to hide, you know, all those stuff. So I'm putting on the skin on a hot
• 1:10:59
  day to protect them. But now they're leaching, it's heating up. So as you heat things, the chemical
• 1:11:05
  action moves. And some of those, I mean, again, you know, it's what's the trade off, but you can get
• 1:11:11
  a, I use an organic cotton. I used to when I fish, you know, put the plastic on like three years ago.
• 1:11:16
  And I'm like, you know, when I'm just gonna give me an organic cotton, you know, and put that on
• 1:11:20
  and wear a big hat. So I wear a big hat so that I get shade on my face. Yeah, hats. So powerful.
• 1:11:27
  Yeah. So there's those things that my cousin Kimmy, she's, she's a sweetheart. She just texted me
• 1:11:31
  today. Um, and I think she's going to Switzerland or something, but I remember her. She's so fair
• 1:11:37
  skinned. She just had the big, I guess she advised the biggest hat she came and she's wearing white
• 1:11:42
  linen all the time because she cannot be in the sun very long. She's so fair skinned and beautiful.
• 1:11:47
  Like beautiful fair skinned people. It's so attractive. Yeah, that's the other thing too. Like,
• 1:11:52
  I want to make pale skin cool again. Yeah. Cause everyone's trying to get like super tan. And
• 1:11:59
  but with that people are, there are so many people who aren't doing it properly and they're
• 1:12:04
  just damaging her skin. UV rays, some people know is literally a form of radiation. Yeah.
• 1:12:10
  Like I said, there's benefits to it, but no one knows who it is. No one's going to die. Yeah.
• 1:12:13
  I mean, some people will, you know, run around naked in the sun. Well, it's got to be good for
• 1:12:17
  you too. Cause especially there's fun, there's studies there. I show off your pair and you
• 1:12:21
  get to the side of it. Yeah, there you go. Um, but maybe we're biased as terms because we
• 1:12:25
  see. Yeah, you might jump in. John Braire at Air Israel. So that fully fully understandable when
• 1:12:30
  people are bearing irresponsible and not being responsible. Like, like, I know when moms
• 1:12:35
  let's see their kids burn and we've done it on accident, right? Cause we're just busy or their
• 1:12:40
  hat falls off. And you're like, oh, baby, I'm so sorry. Like, you feel horrible. But I'm not going
• 1:12:47
  to spray avobenzone all over my child. But I'm going to use zinc oxide. Like, you know, I'm just
• 1:12:53
  not going to do it, you know, I mean, it's a known, they, and it's funny that they pulled out the
• 1:12:57
  other one, not avobenzone. But the other one, oxybenz, oxybenzone. Yeah, avobenzone, we still
• 1:13:01
  don't have enough evidence to pull it out. But there's sold, well, they, yeah, they pulled out BPA
• 1:13:07
  and now they threw in BPS and BPS has strong, uh, um, infertility and we're leaving it in. And
• 1:13:14
  we just, so we switch out one benzone for another, we switch out the, the gel nail TPO would be TPO
• 1:13:20
  free, you know, be another chemical TPL or whatever. So we just go from one chemical to the next
• 1:13:25
  like, come on, replace by something. Let's, let's, let's about the insanity. It's like,
• 1:13:29
  oh, we got busted on this one. We'll use it for marketing and we'll sell a bunch more and
• 1:13:33
  we'll just slip a different chemical and it's, it's a little bit silly. Let's, let's be responsible
• 1:13:37
  to humanity and let's not start looking at our freaking pocketbooks. Let's think with our hearts.
• 1:13:42
  Yeah. When I'm hoping is that the movement that you're bringing with just people being
• 1:13:46
  paying attention to every stressor or potential toxin or burden in their life, like, that we're
• 1:13:53
  making a change on a national or global level because all of these things just going to time back
• 1:13:58
  to the skin like so many of the crazy changes in the Western world. I think, oh, why we have more acne
• 1:14:04
  or we have more of these honey. The layup is right. It's wiping out your gut bacteria like it makes sense.
• 1:14:10
  Well, let's change these things so we can make the lives of dermatologists easier. Yeah,
• 1:14:13
  root cause medicine. You know, it's like, let's not, you know, let's not keep looking at drugs to,
• 1:14:18
  that we shouldn't have to, like, just say, for example, does she would have to use acetylene
• 1:14:22
  for a little girl or boy, yeah, so that they don't commit suicide because they can't even look
• 1:14:27
  at their friend because their face is going to be scarred the rest of their life. It's going to
• 1:14:31
  affect their future, affect their economic situation. I mean, it's crazy. Even sound like our film guy,
• 1:14:38
  I think he, you took acutane. Fresh from your five school, yeah, fresh from your high school,
• 1:14:42
  so if he took acutane, it wasn't, was it beneficial? Definitely saved me from all of things. Yeah,
• 1:14:47
  and in a good monorail, so it's a bit beneficial, but it also did. Okay, but there's side effects too.
• 1:14:51
  Oh, yeah, it's hard to be honest. Still to this day. Used to be on side effects. Just the scar
• 1:14:56
  with a garring bed. It was, it saved you a lot of scarring. Yeah, yeah, it saved you scarring.
• 1:14:59
  Yeah, one of those had like my organs and stuff were very dry, so I was in a lot of pain.
• 1:15:02
  For a while, the way I stopped it finally. Yeah, it's usually when you're on it, but yeah,
• 1:15:06
  it's, it's not, it's not like an easy ride. Like, you know, if it's drying out your organs,
• 1:15:10
  that's not good. Right. We need, we need juicy organs. Yeah, we do. Yeah, we can foresee organs.
• 1:15:15
  And this is a juicy podcast. Well, people are going to like share that junk out of this thing.
• 1:15:20
  You brought so much balance and expertise. And you know, just like, that's what I want. I want
• 1:15:26
  balance. I'm on toxic death, but I understand balance. I understand that the world doesn't think
• 1:15:30
  like I do. And I'm like, I'm not going to judge what if you want to use acutane, go for it.
• 1:15:35
  There's, that's your choice. But no, have that informed consent. Know that there's other options.
• 1:15:40
  Know that if you do the work, right? Just like if you do the work spiritually, you're going to
• 1:15:44
  have a better life. And know if you do the work and choose a non-toxic lifestyle because you
• 1:15:48
  love yourself and you start putting the right foods, your body will respond and your skin will
• 1:15:53
  be better. And more importantly, your heart will be better. And that's what we want.
• 1:15:57
  A lot of people that are healthy and have happy hearts and know that toxins don't have value
• 1:16:02
  to life. They take value away. Yeah. No, I love your mission and what you're doing. And I think that
• 1:16:08
  so much change needs to be made. And I think what their message is is helping bring that forth.
• 1:16:13
  So thank you for doing that. So they don't. And thank you for having me. But I also want people to
• 1:16:18
  feel like, you know, that there's it. They get still put things on their skin and not freak out.
• 1:16:24
  Okay. It's not you're not eating it. Like I get it. So have you're just saying that people
• 1:16:29
  have fun and enjoy their life and not live in fear? Yes. I guy. We're also because fear also is
• 1:16:33
  stressful. And I've seen that costs inflammation. I'm definitely not trying to do that. That's why
• 1:16:38
  like doing podcasts so people can see like, Hey, you know, like, I don't want that for anyone. And
• 1:16:43
  yeah. And I have this is where we agree. And we might disagree on feelings, but that's okay.
• 1:16:47
  Yeah. No, but this is great. Yeah. It's been wonderful. Thank you so much for exceeded my
• 1:16:52
  expectations. Actually, when I talk to you, yeah, you know, it's like almost non-tastic that is
• 1:16:58
  you can try to bust me because I get medications. Like, no, of course not. You know, I have lots of
• 1:17:04
  friends that are dermatologists and, you know, in every area of the world, I have wonderful friends.
• 1:17:10
  I had different groups of people at the latest event. And, you know, from both sides, like no one
• 1:17:14
  get that. Like, it's we are able to we all on a path in a journey. And we're all making
• 1:17:22
  decisions. I'm making my decisions based on the on the challenges that I had in my life. That's
• 1:17:26
  why I became non-toxic. That's why you're doing what you're doing. That why you have an
• 1:17:30
  integrative approach is based on your past and your challenges. And you've had a lot. Like,
• 1:17:35
  we'd even get into those, right? No. So, um, but it's expressing in this, this beauty of
• 1:17:40
  who you are and that heart that I saw from the very beginning. I saw it in your eyes and you
• 1:17:44
  reflected it on this, on this podcast. So it's been an absolute honor to have you. I'm Amina.
• 1:17:49
  It's Dr. Amina. Thank you, God.
• 1:17:52
  Honor and privilege. Thank you so much.