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How To Manage Career Fatigue (PLUS Side Hustle 101) · Two Broke Chicks

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  Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on wrundry Land Always Was, Always
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  Speaker 1: Will be Aboriginal Land.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Chicks, I'm Sale and I'm Out.
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  Speaker 1: This is two break chicks to show that shares life
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  Speaker 1: lessons and tips to help make you rich in life.
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  Speaker 1: And today we're adjoined by the Career Girl Diaries Lass
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  Speaker 1: herself Kim Elizabeth James. Hello.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, But before we.
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  Speaker 1: Get into the episode, we love to start with our
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  Speaker 1: life lessons of the week, So would you like to
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  Speaker 1: start us off.
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  Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I am very passionate about not having
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  Speaker 3: your phone in the bedroom and getting an alarm clock,
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  Speaker 3: and I've been pretty rigorous without for the past two years.
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  Speaker 3: And then this last week I was up on the
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  Speaker 3: family farm and I didn't have my alarm clock. I
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  Speaker 3: had my phone in there, and it's just you really
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  Speaker 3: don't see how much it makes an impact until you
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  Speaker 3: wake up with your phone in the room and you're like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm late to get out of bed, I didn't do
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  Speaker 3: my walk and so yeah, now I'm wow back on
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  Speaker 3: my alarm clock.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah that's so good, because I think as well things
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  Speaker 4: like that, it's really hard to stick, like to start
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  Speaker 4: and stick to it. So when you have been able
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  Speaker 4: to stick to it, and then you regress, You're like, oh, okay, no,
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  Speaker 4: I'm really going to stick to that.
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  Speaker 3: You start to see it yeah yeah, yeah, and you're
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  Speaker 3: just like, wow, this has made such an impact because
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  Speaker 3: when then you start your day just with like your thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: I also love to do a little like three things
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  Speaker 3: you're grateful of looking forward to before you open your
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  Speaker 3: phone and starts tells you what like cycle you're on,
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  Speaker 3: or you look at social media. So yeah, I definitely
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  Speaker 3: this morning was like, got to get that alarm clock
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  Speaker 3: back out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like that dusted off. What's yours? Okay
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  Speaker 2: mine is?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if this is a dumb life lesson, right,
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  Speaker 4: but this is something that I learned this week while
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  Speaker 4: we've been in Melbourne and we're walking down the street
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  Speaker 4: and soual and I obviously love a thrift shop or
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  Speaker 4: an op shop. Did you know that op shop stands
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  Speaker 4: for opportunity shop?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, because down here it's called that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not called that in Sydney. Else you just
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  Speaker 2: call it an op shop.
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  Speaker 4: And then like on the side it said opportunity shop,
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  Speaker 4: and I went, that makes total fucking sense, like being
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  Speaker 4: like whoa.
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  Speaker 2: Like It literally blew my mind. So every Melbourne person
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  Speaker 2: listening to this is probably gonna be a fucking idiot.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, Sydney people, you got my back, but yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that blew my mind.
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  Speaker 3: Does have loyalty points here as well, because I'm from
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  Speaker 3: New South Wales, but they have loyalty points, so like
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  Speaker 3: you buy a certain amount and then you'll go the
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  Speaker 3: next time. They're like, oh, you get ten dollars off
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  Speaker 3: and you feel kind of bad.
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  Speaker 2: I would be rich. Yeah, that's probably a good thing.
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  Speaker 4: We don't have that because I would just end up
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  Speaker 4: buying things I don't need because I have loyalty points.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't need any more incentive.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, give me this fluo green snake print pans.
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  Speaker 2: I need that, don't Sally, You're already in the cart.
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  Speaker 2: Let's be real. Okay, what's your life lessons? Okay, my life.
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  Speaker 1: Lesson is a bit of a wholesome one, but it's
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  Speaker 1: you know, on the days when you feel like you
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  Speaker 1: only have forty percent to give, if you give that
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  Speaker 1: forty percent, really you're giving one hundred percent obsessed. Whereas
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we're you know, guilt ourselves and be like,
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  Speaker 1: oh but I could have done this all that, and
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  Speaker 1: it's like, no, you don't have to always push yourself
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  Speaker 1: to go further. Sometimes you can only give what you
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  Speaker 1: have to give.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the tank is never going to be full one
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  Speaker 4: hundred percent of the time. And I think that's when
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  Speaker 4: it's the worst.
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  Speaker 2: Is when you're like, no more, I reckon.
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  Speaker 4: As you get older, you get better at recognizing that
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  Speaker 4: because you get better at setting boundaries exactly and being like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not doing that today.
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  Speaker 1: And reaping the benefits of those boundaries seal error.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm for it.
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  Speaker 1: But let's get into the episode, shall we.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So in this episode, we're going to be talking
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  Speaker 4: career and clarity, money and personal brand, and the good
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  Speaker 4: old fashioned burnout baby never matter, I wish, Lily.
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  Speaker 2: I think everyone has had some run in with that bitch,
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  Speaker 2: the rainout bitch. But let's start with career and clarity.
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  Speaker 4: So I would love to know what's one observation that
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  Speaker 4: you've had in your journey about women and their career
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  Speaker 4: in their twenties and beyond.
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  Speaker 3: It's so easy to feel like you're not you're a
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  Speaker 3: failure if you're not in your dream career from the beginning,
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  Speaker 3: whether or not it's like the trained job or the
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  Speaker 3: dream industry.
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  Speaker 5: It's so easy to look.
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  Speaker 3: Online and we have such a comparison right now through
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  Speaker 3: social media, and we can see everyone having the job
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  Speaker 3: that you want, and then you just kind of start
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  Speaker 3: to not be positive within yourself and what you're going
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  Speaker 3: for because we're seeing what everyone else is. So I
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  Speaker 3: think that's a really key one because one of the
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  Speaker 3: best pieces of advice that I read really early on
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  Speaker 3: was look for the job that you want where other
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  Speaker 3: people aren't looking. Because if you go for those industries
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  Speaker 3: might not be sexy. We can't all be working Memorial
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  Speaker 3: or Mecca. We will still build the skills, hard skills,
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  Speaker 3: soft skills.
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  Speaker 5: You're going to get the.
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  Speaker 3: Experiences and you're going to do that networking so that
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  Speaker 3: when you go for that role, it's just a no
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  Speaker 3: brain and it's you. And I think that's something I'm
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  Speaker 3: very passionate and talk a lot about. Like now people
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  Speaker 3: look at what I do and they're like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: the dream job and the dream.
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  Speaker 5: Office is beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: It's like I started in the plumbing industry in Western Sydney,
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  Speaker 3: like selling toilets and tools. I couldn't get a job
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  Speaker 3: in all the places that I wanted to, but like,
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  Speaker 3: did it build the network, got the skills, got the experiences,
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  Speaker 3: so that then we've ended up being a customer of
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  Speaker 3: one of the biggest tech companies. So when I applied
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  Speaker 3: for that, they're like, come on in, babe, like let's go.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know where it will lead you, no,
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  Speaker 3: but just like go for the places that aren't as sexy,
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  Speaker 3: build the skills, and then like go for the role
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  Speaker 3: when you've got it.
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  Speaker 4: Also, when it's not the sexy job, it is a
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  Speaker 4: little bit harder, but it means that you learn more,
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  Speaker 4: so then when you do get the sexy.
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  Speaker 2: Job, you're really good at it.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I would love to know what is everyone's like
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  Speaker 4: first job that was like potentially not embarrassing, because we're
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  Speaker 4: not going to say any job's embarrassing, but it's like
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  Speaker 4: your iconic first job that you're like, yeah, that's first job.
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  Speaker 2: I'll go first.
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  Speaker 4: My one of my first jobs was being a kid's
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  Speaker 4: party entertainer and I did dress as Pepper Pig in
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  Speaker 4: the Pepper Pig costume, and I had to wear the
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  Speaker 4: head and I didn't know what Pepper Pig's voice sounds
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  Speaker 4: like and it reminded me because there was like some
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  Speaker 4: girl trending, but I had to just like walk around and.
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  Speaker 2: Do the hands and like hug these kids. But I
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  Speaker 2: fucking hated it.
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  Speaker 4: And then another one was like I literally had to
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  Speaker 4: dress as like a fairy at affair and like walk.
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  Speaker 2: Around and be like hello children.
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  Speaker 4: Never again it was like at first it was worth
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  Speaker 4: it because it was like I think it was like
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  Speaker 4: forty dollars an hour and I was maybe like seventeen
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  Speaker 4: or eighteen, and I was like, I was like, that's
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  Speaker 4: such good money.
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  Speaker 2: It was not worth it in a million years.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure there are people that loved it, but you
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  Speaker 4: know how you looked at high five and be like
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  Speaker 4: that would be so fun.
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  Speaker 2: It's character building.
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  Speaker 5: It was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 4: It was like rejection therapy and humiliation ritual all right
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  Speaker 4: into one Thing's.
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  Speaker 3: Rang so that because mine was quite similar. I worked
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  Speaker 3: in a macadamia castle. So I'm from northern New South Wales.
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  Speaker 3: My family have a macadamia farm and down the road
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  Speaker 3: is the not Grow Castle which is called the Macadamia
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  Speaker 3: Castle now the Byron Wildlife and yet fourteen nine months
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  Speaker 3: I worked at the castle. It's just so hot nuts.
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  Speaker 3: And then we had an animal park and I was
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  Speaker 3: the kid's face painter, so so to do face painting
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  Speaker 3: and all that. And then yeah, we had like a
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  Speaker 3: cute little animal farm and we had goats and everything
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  Speaker 3: like that, and it was funny. There was a TV
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  Speaker 3: ad and it was like, where are you gonna go?
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  Speaker 3: And then this goat says, not grow castle. The amount
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  Speaker 3: of people that came in thought we had a real
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  Speaker 3: talking goat, when it's just you gave the goat peanut
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  Speaker 3: butter and then its mouth moved.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: My first job was I worked at a chicken sharp
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  Speaker 1: and it was hell and then my fin you eat
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  Speaker 1: all the chips? Yeah, I'd have to like steal them
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  Speaker 1: or my boss would come and find me in the
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  Speaker 1: fridge and I'd be eating pineapple rings. He'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just cleaning. Yeah, well I was
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  Speaker 1: getting paid like seven dollars an hour or something really,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, give me some chippies.
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  Speaker 2: Iconic.
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  Speaker 4: But bringing it back to the original messaging is yeah,
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  Speaker 4: with anything, though, you're never going to be at the
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  Speaker 4: dream role.
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  Speaker 2: But I like that. I think it's really important and
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  Speaker 2: it does set.
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  Speaker 4: You up better because yeah, you it is harder, like
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  Speaker 4: even when it's not sexy, Like let's say you're going
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  Speaker 4: into marketing or something, it's a lot harder to sell
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  Speaker 4: an unsexy product.
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  Speaker 2: So then when you do go into something, you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: be like, fuck, this is easy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Also in marketing when businesses have huge brands, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean. And there's like I always say that
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  Speaker 3: if you work for an unsexy or something that has
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  Speaker 3: a smaller budget, and then that is so much more
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  Speaker 3: work than if you work for a business they're like,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna make fifty million this week. Yeah, whether or
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  Speaker 3: not we post online or not. So yeah, you definitely
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  Speaker 3: build so much resilience.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they're like here's fifty k budget, just go
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  Speaker 4: spend it, and you're like.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, like I have five dollars to my life. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but we would love for you to elaborate on this
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  Speaker 1: state that you shared, and it's don't wait until you're
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  Speaker 1: confident in your career, show up until you're confident.
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  Speaker 3: I am all about evidence based confidence, yes, so a
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  Speaker 3: lot of in that. It's very much two ways, right.
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  Speaker 3: You can obviously do affirmations and talk into confidence, but
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  Speaker 3: evidence based confidence basically means doing the thing, and then
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  Speaker 3: you will show yourself that you actually can do the
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  Speaker 3: thing to build more resistant resilience, sorry to then be
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  Speaker 3: more confident. So you'll never be like fully ready to
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  Speaker 3: go for something. But the more that you do that,
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  Speaker 3: you actually prove to yourself that you can do hard things,
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  Speaker 3: and that is actually how you build resilience to take
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  Speaker 3: on bigger and better things. So I left corporate after
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  Speaker 3: ten years, which obviously became just like total muscle memory
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  Speaker 3: and last you're working for myself. I was in the trenches,
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  Speaker 3: like I didn't know what my accounting software was. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't know any of these things. Now I'm your two
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, damn, if I go through year one,
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  Speaker 3: why can't I get through year two. So the more
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  Speaker 3: that you actually do, you'll build your confidence, and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you'll build your resilience in yourself, and then you can
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  Speaker 3: go for bigger and harder things.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a slut for the evidence confidence.
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  Speaker 4: And we were talking about this in a recent episode
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  Speaker 4: and it was how your brain will believe the evidence
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  Speaker 4: you give it. So if you say I can't do this,
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  Speaker 4: I can't go for that job, and then you don't
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  Speaker 4: go for that job. Your brain's like, yeah, you couldn't
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  Speaker 4: because you didn't. Whereas if you do go for the job,
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  Speaker 4: even if you don't get it, you did go for it, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and your brain.
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  Speaker 2: Like starts remembering things like that that your brain's like, yeah, bitch, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we can do the hard thing.
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  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, have to fake it till you make it. And
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  Speaker 3: there's science in that. You know, fake it, build a confidence,
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  Speaker 3: make it, and then be like, oh, this is muscle memory.
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  Speaker 5: But then go for the next thing as well that
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  Speaker 5: scares you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
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  Speaker 4: What are the underrated habits or mindsets that lead to
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  Speaker 4: career success long term?
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  Speaker 3: I think one of the key things with this is
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  Speaker 3: men will apply for a role if they meet sixty
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  Speaker 3: percent of the job, when women will apply for the
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  Speaker 3: role if they meet one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 5: Of the job.
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  Speaker 3: But if you will go for a role and you
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  Speaker 3: actually meet one hundred percent of the requirements, you're.
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  Speaker 5: Too qualified for the role because there's no growth.
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  Speaker 2: In its Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, So that is actually something that women need to
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  Speaker 3: do consistently because there's two parts of it. It's one
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  Speaker 3: identifying that growth and just as we said, step into
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  Speaker 3: the uncomfortable and go for it so that you can
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  Speaker 3: actually then go for a role that maybe you hit
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  Speaker 3: eighty percent of or even seventy percent, but that thirty
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  Speaker 3: percent is that growth, because otherwise you're going to go
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  Speaker 3: for this role six months, come in and go I'm bored,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not growing, I'm not getting.
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  Speaker 4: It, I'm not earning enough money exactly exactly so.
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  Speaker 3: And then on the flip side of it, like women
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  Speaker 3: don't know how to sell ourselves, like we feel like
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  Speaker 3: selling ourselves is slimy or self promotion, but realistically it's
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  Speaker 3: either you take your career in your hands and lead
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  Speaker 3: its trajectory or a business will do it for you,
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  Speaker 3: and a business will have a business decision at.
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  Speaker 5: The end of the day.
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  Speaker 3: Like I've been redundant, I've had toxic bosses saying that
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  Speaker 3: you that are going to promise you the world where
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  Speaker 3: there's actually doesn't happen. And I think I learned early
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  Speaker 3: on when I realized what I wanted to get into,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, damn, no one around me is
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  Speaker 3: going to do this, Like I have to put my
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  Speaker 3: big girl pants on and go for it.
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  Speaker 5: And I definitely am.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so growth and back yourself and the biggest things
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  Speaker 3: I love you.
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  Speaker 4: I saw this post that I was like, I want
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  Speaker 4: to ask you about this actually, and so it's a
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  Speaker 4: quote from court Lynn Johnson and it's got like fifty
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  Speaker 4: five thousand likes, and this is what she says. She says,
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  Speaker 4: if you're too good at your job, you'll never get promoted.
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  Speaker 4: Your boss isn't thinking, wow, we should totally promote this
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  Speaker 4: rock star. They're thinking, Yay, thank god, we found someone
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  Speaker 4: who'll do the work of three people without complaining or
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  Speaker 4: demanding more money.
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  Speaker 5: One hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: Because the other thing is if you and I this
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  Speaker 3: is probably one of the videos that I think resonates
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  Speaker 3: with people when I post online the most about if
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  Speaker 3: you keep picking up all the balls at work, they're
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  Speaker 3: not going to see that there's actually a problem there
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  Speaker 3: to fix. And that's actually how you burn yourself out
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  Speaker 3: and you actually don't get any growth, right because if
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  Speaker 3: they're just like, well, what do you mean she can
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  Speaker 3: do all these things, she's handling it fine, You're like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm literally like, you know, a cute little duck on top,
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  Speaker 3: but like absolutely paddling underneath. They're not going to see
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  Speaker 3: that there's a problem there to fix. You actually have
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  Speaker 3: to strategically let some balls drop. Like you can add absolutely,
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  Speaker 3: it's like your control, influence, concern. Right, So the three circles,
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  Speaker 3: this is what I would always do with my team
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  Speaker 3: when they'd have like a like, ah panic and.
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  Speaker 2: We have no.
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  Speaker 5: Control.
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  Speaker 3: Is the middle circle, and that's what you can actually
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  Speaker 3: control AAKA. You you can have influence over the bigger things.
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  Speaker 3: You can say this isn't working, we're not going to
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  Speaker 3: meet this, and then you can have concern. But at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day, if you're a coordinator and
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  Speaker 3: you can see all these problems, you actually are probably
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  Speaker 3: not in a role and not have the responsibilities or
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  Speaker 3: the resources to fix the problem. So you actually have
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  Speaker 3: to go, you know what I've told you, I've identified it.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not that you're not wanting to fix and
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  Speaker 3: you're like let it burn. It's like you genuinely can't,
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  Speaker 3: like you're not the director to make that decision. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's a lot where that comes into it that you
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  Speaker 3: have to then let it ball. A few balls drop
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  Speaker 3: and then they go, oh, wow, there's a problem here.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: If you're doing overtime hours and you're working till nine pm,
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  Speaker 4: they're either going to look at that and one maybe
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  Speaker 4: they don't know and they think you're capable of getting
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  Speaker 4: all the workload done within nine to five, let's say,
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  Speaker 4: or they do know and you're not saying anything and they're.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: Like, well that's fine, Like we'll just keep letting them
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: do that because they're doing the world.
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah they're happy.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah here at five am, she's passionate.
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: Oh my god.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: But when it comes to your career, should you follow
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: your passion or the money or is there a sweet
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: spot somewhere in between?
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: The one hundred percent is a sweet spot. And I
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: think again what we were talking about the beginning of like
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: stressing yourself out. You can't go for your passion if
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: you don't have the skills and the experiences to make
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: that a role. So I think early in the beginning
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: there is an element of like go for the role
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: that you're going to build your experiences and your like
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: skills and everything, but also like do that on someone
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: else's time, on someone else's budget, that you can learn
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: it there. So the more that you start and you
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: like get your foot in the door, your network, you
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: build all of those things, then you can go for
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: more things you're passionate about. The Other thing with passion
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: is you one. Not everything that your passion about has
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: to make your monetary value, because then you actually don't
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: like get to fuel them for your whole self.
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: Like I love to.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: Bake with a glass of wine. I don't make that
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: any monetary thing because that's my thing. But within that
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: you can also have passion for you can see yourself growing,
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: passion for growing your skills. You can have passion for
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: the company. Like I was in the plumbing industry for
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: eight fucking years and I say to people like, you
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: don't have to be the sexiest brand to retain your staff. Realistically,
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: what's going to retain your staff is that they align
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: to the business and where it's going, the values, they
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: line to the culture, and they also a line that
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: they can see that they're growing within themselves. So I
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: would have people come at me and be like, oh
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: my god, you want to go for this in headhunt,
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: and I was like, nah, I'm happy here because I
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: aligned to the passion of it. I would then say,
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: now I'm ten years into my career and I'm like, okay, cool.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: So I got a lot of tools under my tool belt.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: How do I then take this and build it into
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: something of my own. And for me that has not
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: been as scary as a jump now because I've got
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: those things.
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I will also say that I have beautiful friends
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: that are on money that like they just absolutely is
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: just phenomenal, but they are dead inside.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: I also was that like.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Before I left corporate, I was flying in and out
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: to Canberra. I was wearing the suit, I was sitting
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: in the lounge, I had the job title and I
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: was like doing like what on LinkedIn would be the
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Kram de la Cram, And I.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: Was like, who the fuck is this person?
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: You know that? Who is that?
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: For?
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: The devil was Prata?
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: You know how she like works her way up, She's
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: getting her shit, she's got her dream job, blah blah
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: blah obviously with toxic, but then the reason she quits
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: her job is because of her fucking boyfriend who only
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: does is cooks the grilled cheese and her friends and
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: that like, that's also the thing that if you're passionate
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: about your job and people don't understand that, that's also
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: okay because it's for you if you're happy and like, yes.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Prioritizing your career as your goal, go for that.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that then that's why you have to have different
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: friends that fill different cops. I am like ridiculously ambitious,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: always care driven. One of the most doesn't mean I
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: didn't have beers on Monday Night with my friend who's
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: a truck driver. Doesn't mean one of my best friends
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: having a gap year in Canada. Doesn't mean one of
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: my other best friends is having you know, he.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: Has a kid.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: So for me, it's if you don't align with that
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: in careers with your friends. You don't have to throw
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: everything out and then go, oh my god, I.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Need to move anything.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: You actually just need different friends for different reasons. Like
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: those people will love you whether or not you are
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: on stage presenting, or whether or not you're also you know,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: a checkout chick at Coles. They will just love you regardless,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: and you need those people. But then having said that,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: you need those people that are ambitious because you feel
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: yourself in a circle where people are doing really cool
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: things that you go, wow, if I put myself out more,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: I can actually see what that can grow into as well.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I am very much like when I even
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: started working for myself, I was like shit, I need
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: business owner friends because like, my friends are happy, you know.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: I was like, they don't know these answers.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing that I was kind of gonna
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: ask as well.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Is, especially within gen Z and younger generations, the number
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: one job they want.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Is to work for themselves.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: My thought in that, as someone who now works for
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: themselves and has worked in corporate, is I wouldn't know
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: how to do half the things I do working for
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: myself if I didn't work for another company. So for
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: people that their end goal, their dream job, their passion
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: is being an influencer, a creator, a YouTuber starting their
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: own business, would you still recommend for them to go
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: get a job within the industry so they can learn
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: from people one.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Hundred percent learn on someone else's dime and someone else's tas.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: I love it, honestly till.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: The cows come home. I'm ten years out now and
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: I now learned and realized so many things that I
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: learned in corporate. How to like stand operating procedures, time
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: management of yourself, like how to pitch, how to do
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: like just so many things that I have conversations with
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: others and they're like, wow, like you really learned all
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: these things in corporate that I didn't, so now I
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: completely agree, and that's where then I would have. That
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: is like a side hustle your passion project and you
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: get to grow create and creatively as well. So that
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: also you don't feel like your passion you're forcing it
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: to be monetary from the beginning, you'll just burn yourself out.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Learn the skills you need to build your own business
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: on someone else's dimes ten out of ten. Speaking of dime,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: one of the top questions we always get, which will
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: not be surprising to you at all or when we
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: do a career episode, is how to get a fucking
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: pay rise in a cost of living crisis ondred percent.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: More redundancies being made than pay rises.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And also the key thing is a lot of
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: industries is more people coming out of university, but there's
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: less roles that are going for it. So whether or
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: not you're going for a promotion or you're going for
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: a job, it's actually all about you sell yourself and
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: you create a business case with you because at the
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: end of the day, if you view yourself less of
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: an employee but more of your product, and you're selling you,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: that's how you're going to go for it. So if
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: you are going for a promotion, one of the key
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: things is actually knowing the next step that you want
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: to go for. So say you're at a coordinator level
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: and you're like, cool, I want to go for a
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: specialist level or a senior coordinator. Read the skills of
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: that job at a different company. Identify what you have
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: and what that would need, and look at that gap.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: Then look at the L.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: And D, the learning and development you would need to
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: get there, and get the business to pay for it.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Because if a business has paid seventy grand for your salary,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: there's seventy grand in the whole. If you come and go, hey,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: this is a two grand L and D that's going
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: to make me better at my job. They just got
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: a better ROI, then businesses will always pay. It's like
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: ninety percent of businesses are worried about staff retention. It's
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: like ninety percent also of like employees want to level
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: up and learn. So L and D is one of
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: the best things that you can actually do for skills
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: development and also to retain your best people. So once
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: then you've identified that L and D, then you would
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: pitch to the business and go, look, I've identified this problem.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Like we've talked about wanting to do this new theme.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: We've talked about this new project, but we don't have
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: anyone for it. I want to step up into this role.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I could do that. This is what it would look like,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: and then go cool, get the appetite. A business will
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: always say yes, Like not always say yes, but I've
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: had a lot of business.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: I going to be like yes.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: And also this is how I had eight promotions in
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: like ten years. Because you identify a problem in a solution,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: they go slay.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: You've done that part.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: You talk about the compensation, So always do your industry research.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Ideally talk with other people and what they're on. I'm
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: very much like Salu transparency, like realistically, that is how
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: we all can grow and identify where it's severely underpaid
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: than others. And that's how you have that conversation. It
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: will give you growth, it will give you more money.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: That kind of piece.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: On the flip side, if you're going for a role
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: and you're like wanting more money and you're going as
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: a year person as well.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: The key things with.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Regumes right now is a ninety eight percent of Fortune
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: five hundred companies and we're seeing more and more smaller
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: ones have what's called an ATS, which is an applicant
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: tracking system. So your resume is no longer gone in
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: the days of the beautiful two page that you hand
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: out to the chicken chop or to the party and
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: they go, this person's great. It's actually goes through a program,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: so you are competing with AI and so that then
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: means your resume has to match that. So basically what
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: an ATS is looking at it wants to identify that
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: you are the perfect.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: Match to them. It's like we're on a dating app, right,
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: perfect match.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: So it will then want to know what is the
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: skills that you have. It will match the experiences, it
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: will have your hard skills, your soft skills, the outcomes,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: the results that you've done for a business. So you
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: actually need to match all those things and have a
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: custom well tailored regume essentially to go for that, and
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: those little tweaks is what makes the difference. I coincidentally
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: had five friends in the last thirty days that I'd
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: help them get a roll and they all got employed
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: in thirty days, and kind of I'll take a few keepings.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Corporate roles or creative roles.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Corporate roles, yeah, corporate roles, yes, And so a few
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: things that we did when we had a look at
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: their rasu MA regemes are only read for an average
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: of seven seconds.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Wow, oh my god.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: That fucking sucks because it takes so fucking long to
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: do your.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Resume and for it to be seven seconds and you're done.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you want your regime to kind of read like
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: the difference between reading a book and leading like a
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: listical article. Like you know when you see those listicals
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: you can get the top points. You're like, cool, Yeah,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: you want out. So with your rasime MA, you want
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: to have your experiences to have like the headline of
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: the skill that you did align to what they're saying,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: say you're saying social media management. Then in that you
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: want to have the actions that you took and that
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: shows that you have the experience I did X, Y
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: and z, and then the outcomes of the results, like
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: what were the results that you generated in that role
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: That can also be up to like forty percent of
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: rage as will be like more highly looked at if
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: you've got those outcomes and results, So then it's like
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: people can see the storytelling within themselves and go wow,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I wonder what that would look like for us.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they can see the vision. Yeah yeah yeah.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: So sometimes it's one lining out all those things and
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: two like actually selling it in a way that people
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: will fucking read.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: A rasion a yeah.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: And then you want to have your skills, so hard
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: skills like what you actually have soft skills that's like communication,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: team management, all those kind of things. And then also
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: like platforms, like right now we're in a world where
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: all businesses are using tech platforms, Like what are the
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: things that you know already how to do? Because that
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: might be the difference between you and somewhere else are like, oh,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: they already know how to use all of these programs.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: That not teach them exactly.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: So those kind of key little things is also what
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: will help you stand out.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: What do you think is more important? Personal brand or resumes.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Both your regemes in with your personal brand. So a
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: personal brand is what's going to open up opportunities for you.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: It's what also is going to make you get noticed,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: and sometimes it's actually how you're going to get headhunted
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: for a role that's not advertised. So a key thing
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: with a personal brand is I've been headhunted and we
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: have the conversation, they still ask for a regeme. Your
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: regeme is basically like, if you can talk the talk
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: on your personal brand, that's showing you can walk the
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: walk like that's like your proof point. That's the validation
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: to what they know about you. But a key thing
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: with a personal brand is it is the best way
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: to be able to do a career pivot if you
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: wanted to move into a different industry, which I have
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: friends that literally now are in marketing that had only
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: been one year or so in the industry. And the
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: other thing is that more and more jobs are actually
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: going with referrals, so a lot more businesses now give
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: referral bonuses. So I know that some companies do for
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: about fifteen hundred dollars referral bonuses, but I've had people
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: mess me on Instagram say that like their company has
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: a fifteen thousand dollars referral.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: WHOA.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: So that's what your personal brand will do. It will
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: unlock those things, but then your rage may will go
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: all right, Look, they can actually.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Do the world. And I think as well, like the
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: way that social media is turning, like the if you
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: are online posting about it, people will see that and
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: be like, that's your passion, whether it's LinkedIn, whether it's
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: TikTok whatever. My favorite thing is you can always sell
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: when someone's like, I hate my job, and you can
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: tell they want to quit because they start posting on LinkedIn.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Absolutely linked influence.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Your employee wants to quit, that's what's happening.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: What is the worst piece of career advice you've ever
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: been given?
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: Staying in a role. Yeah.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So we're at a time now where it's less
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: about ten minutes more about results. So if you were
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: to stay in a company, so you stayed one company,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: you knew one way of doing things, and you stayed
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: in a particular role, and that person had fifteen years
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: of experience. Someone else had seven years of experience. They
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: change four different businesses, they had four different ways of
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: doing something, they had more actions, they developed up further
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: in roles. That person will get the job. And it's
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: something that I had a conversation with someone recently that
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: works with like high level execs, and she said that
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: what she has.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Is people in their fifties and sixties.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Fuck, people in their forties are becoming CEOs, it's like yeah,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: because they're fast tracking that level, so unfortunately staying in
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: a role waiting for it to also get better. You know,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: when they tell you like we're going to do this
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: big at that, like give it a time limit, ask
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: them for a time limit, like what are we looking
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: at three months?
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Because if they can't, they will talk to you.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: To get you to stay.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: What's the balance between staying in a role for a
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: good period of time and job hopping?
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Because that I completely agree with.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: If you stay somewhere for five to ten years or
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: whatever it is, you can think like, oh, that's good.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: It shows that I'm loyal.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Because on the other hand, if you change roles a lot,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: people think you job hop or there's a reason why
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: you don't stay oh blah blah blah blah blah.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: So what's the sweet spot?
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Like if you were working in corporate or full time
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: roles or whatever whatever it is, that you'd be like, Okay,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: I'm going to stay here for this amount of time
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: and then leave.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: To get experience.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Obviously it's not a one size fits all, but what
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: would your advice be for that?
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: My advice is always stay in the role until you've
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: absorbed or growth opportunities, like basically look at it like
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: it's a sponge, whether or not that was in one
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: year or four years. You stay where you've like, I've
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: exhausted everything here and there's just like no further growth
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: opportunities for me in this role. And that's where when
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: someone will go, oh, why are you leaving your previous employer?
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: If you go, look, I got really great to this role.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I've done all of these particular things, I've done, all
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: these experiences. These are all the results that I've done. Unfortunately,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: there's not growth opportunities for that here, and so I'm
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: looking for that next role or go slay. We want
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: someone ambitious swing on into our business. So that's what
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: I say, like identify as well. You don't have to
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: also leave straight away. Like some people will come to
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: me and be like, oh, my job has no opportunities.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I said, have you had that conversation with your manager
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: and actually identified And they might be like, oh, yeah,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: like we've had conversations. You're not in the room of
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: about this thing. Yeah, you could go into that and
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: look at that. But then if you get to a
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: point you're like, you know what this has been month's worth.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: It's not getting better. There's someone above me. We're saying
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: these things. It's not coming to fruition. But I can
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: see it elsewhere. That's when you're comfortable because I think
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: you know, I left somewhere after eight years, and the reason.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: That I did was I outgrew it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I was like, there's not further for me here, like
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: you have someone going into a director role and so
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: there's not extra growth. And the business came to me
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: and went, hi, babe, do you want that but on
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: a global scale? And I was like, of course I do.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: And so when people are like, why are you leaving?
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: I was like, I've grown here, like I've done what
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I came here to do. And the same in when
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I was before I went to work for myself. You know,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: I came back from Europe and they're like you're back.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: I'm like, you're gonna hate it, but I need to
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: leave and they're like, what do you actually mean?
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: You leave? Literally?
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: And a lot of that.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Was I came into this business and you know, we
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: wrote the plan, we wrote the direction, what the department
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: direction was going to be, and I went, hang on,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: why am I not doing my business? Like I keep
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: doing this for others, and I need to start doing
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: this for mine. So that's where I knew this was
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: the stage and for me to lead a man.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: That's the thing is we can fall into like the
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: bleed blue mentality of a workplace and it says if
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: it's your business, but it's not, like and you get
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: so passionate about these businesses, which is great. You should
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: be passionate for where you work, but sometimes I do
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: believe there's a slippery slope and they have these incentives
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: of being like, we're going to give you shares if
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: you stay me in for that years, but.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: It's still not your business.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: No, So like have passion, but also don't put all
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: your eggs in that basket. And with everything that you're
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: saying as well, there comes a lot of confidence to
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: be able to have these conversations, which I think is
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: really really hard to build. And you have an amazing
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: quote where you say you're not lucky, you're just good
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: at your job. What's your advice for dealing with a
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: lack of confidence or imposter syndrome in your career?
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: A lot with that is that it's very easy for
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: us to tell ourselves that we're lucky, but luck is
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: actually our preparation meets opportunity. The reason this Operate opportunity
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: came is because you've built all of that expertise and
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: that knowledge, and you like you've walked the walk, you've
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: talked the talk, and that opportunities can't They didn't just
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: go oops, we want to do this thing and it's
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: ready for you. No, You've done all the preparation to
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: be ready for that opportunity. So a lot of that
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: with imposter syndrome is it's usually that gap when you're
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: in that growth zone and like what you see when
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: we talked about the evidence based confidence isn't aligning to
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: the external factors that's telling you these things. So that's
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: where I was actually first stepping into my first management
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: role and I was had crippling imposter syndrome, and I
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: was like, Wow, I'm holding myself back from the next thing,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Like all these people are telling me I can do it,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: but I don't see it in myself.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: I went and work with the therapist and I was.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: Like, I feel like I'm constantly proving to people that
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: you know, I can do it, but I just don't
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: feel like I've proved it to myself internally, and she's like,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: let's work on that. And I really identified those places
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: where I was probably going to pass younger versions of
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: myself where I wasn't super confident or I wasn't smart
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: in school, and like really identified that. So now it's
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: at a point where I actually look at these opportunities
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: and go, no, don't overthink this or don't you know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: downplay that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: You're just lucky.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: You did all the preparation to get to this stage,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: and it's very easy with your career to get stuck
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: on the hedonic treadmill as well. Like we're constantly looking
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: for that next thing, and that means that you're like, Okay,
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: when I become a manager, I'm going to be happy.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: When I become a director, I'm going to be happy.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: It's not true.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: You'll become a director.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: You're working longer hours, you're in eight meetings a day,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: you've got people, you know, stuff in it, and you're like, fuck,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: I'm just when I was twenty one, live.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: In the dream and.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so grab coffees.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Miley Cyrus was on it when she said it
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: was all about the climb.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: Fuck, it is my spirit guide, Like truly she gets it.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: You've touched on burn out a little bit, But what's
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the difference between being burnt out and being busy at work?
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Busy at work like everyone will have those times, you
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: always have that when you have a project going or
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: extra things. Burnout is when it's chronic and it's actually
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: affecting you. The thing about burnout, it's not actually about
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: doing too much. It's about not doing the things that
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: make you you. So when you do work late, you're
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: not getting to that gym class, When you do work like,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: you're not going to trivia with your friends, and a
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Wednesday night, when you're really burnt out from work during
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: the day, you're getting to the weekend and you're just like,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: I need to rot. So you're not having human connection
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: because you just need to rest to try to get
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: through the next week. So when it comes to burnout,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: it's usually from a lack of balance across all aspects
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: of your life. And so I now I think when
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I first started working by myself, I was so scared
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: of hitting burnout because I hit full blown like burnout took.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Two years to recover.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: But I actually have never gotten back to that because
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: I have built in all the little things in my
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: day that I work sometimes seven days a week, and
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I'm so fine and happy to do that because I'm
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: in such a like just season of my life where
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: that's it. But I don't burn out because I don't
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: let myself get there.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you have a post on this that I
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: would love for you to share on the pod. Is
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: your daily non negotiables to avoid burnout?
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. It's all tools in your tool
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: belt essentially. So first one, I am all about, as
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: I said, no phone in the bedroom. Start with you
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: in your brain, Like I don't do the big one
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: morning routines, but I'm like, no phone in the bedroom.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Three things you're looking forward to that day. The second one,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I'm all about what I love to call a stomp
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: and pod. So it's going for your walk and listen
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: to a podcast and then a few little things. So
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: I always take lunch away from my desk, regardless even
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: if it's fifteen twenty minutes.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: Block it.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: If you do work corporate, block that time out of
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: your day and be like this is lunchtime, Like this
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: is me time.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: What do you do when someone ignores that meeting in
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: your calendar and still puts a meeting in the time
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: that you've allocated for lunch.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: You can say to them, look, I'm happy to do
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: it this time if this is really really urgent, but
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: that's lunchtime, and do you reckon that you could do
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: a different time alternatively. So they will be those times
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: where sometimes you go, Okay, look we can do it
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: this time. It's urgent, we need this theme, but I
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: have a blocked in my calendar. And then like people
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: just know. Also at the end of the day, always
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: prep for the next day, like brain dump the shit
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: out of your brain so it can turn off. Like
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: I always thought that like the moment when I would
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: realize that I was like healed after recovering from burnout
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: was when my brain was able to just be like
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: a bit of a golden retree. But you know, you
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: meet those people and you know they're just like not
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: thinking and they're just in the room with you. I've
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: reached that level, and I'm like, this is therapy. Money
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: is best spent, and a lot of that is a
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: brain dump, like just dump it all out. What do
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: you need to prep for the next day. Also, if
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: you're like in a very much like very scared or
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: just worried time at the moment is a lot going
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: on schedule worried time, Like give it to your brain,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: be like we're worrying for ten minutes. It will actually
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: realize that it's not as worried that it will talk
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: itself out.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I literally post on LinkedIn recently, like LinkedIn in
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: all places like cry often. Yeah, Like you can't get
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: over a feeling unless you feel it and.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Get it out.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: Just get it out.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Just go to the print and have a little sob
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: driving home, car cry, shower cry.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I love a drive cry, but to an extent sometimes
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: you yeah.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Sometimes dangerous.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, to wrap up, I feel like.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: This is a spicy question to wrap up on, but
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: a good question to leave people from this episode to
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: go and have a little thinky pooh, and it is.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: What are the five signs it's time to look for
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: a new job?
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: Good one. I think we talked a lot about it
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: with growth.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: So if you're an autopilot in your role and you're like, well,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: every day is the same day, I'm doing all the
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: same things. Absolutely, if you can't see that next role
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: progression or you've had that conversation and there's not that
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: next step there for you. If the company culture is
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: also not aligned to you, like if you're also identifying
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: that that's holding you back, Like if you're looking at
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: there like leadership is in a bit of a binfire
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: right now, you probably can't get to that level of
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: growth because they haven't got it outlined for you to
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: reach that level. That can also be a really key one.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: And also the Sunday stories become, you know, a bit
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: of a norm, like you shouldn't have to get to
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Sunday and be anxious and get to tenning on Monday
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: and be like crying and then on the iconic being
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: like a parcel will make me happy.
• 36:05
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