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Ian Furness 10/26 H2: Hardcore Football with Hugh Millen · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: Now, from the Star Reynolds Sports Desk, your 93.3 KJR
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  Speaker 2: Brought to you by Frostbrood Coors Light. Cold as the Rockies. Well,
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  Speaker 2: in case somehow you missed it, Seahawks won yesterday. They
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  Speaker 2: played Sunday night football. That was a late game for
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  Speaker 2: our very great Cosell, 8-20 Eastern time.
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  Speaker 3: Start back there.
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  Speaker 2: But for the rest of us, 5 o'clock, Seahawks won.
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  Speaker 1: Big.
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  Speaker 2: Shut down the Kansas City Chiefs start to finish 23-win
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  Speaker 2: Ken Walker revenge game.
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  Speaker 4: Not that.
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  Speaker 3: Not even close.
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  Speaker 2: He had just 36 yards rushing. Mahomes only 165 yards
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  Speaker 2: and an interception throwing the ball. Offensive line stepped up.
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  Speaker 2: How about this? Sam Darnold threw for 257. Emmanuel Wilson
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  Speaker 2: ran for 100 yards exactly. JSN went for 150 in
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  Speaker 2: a touchdown. He leads all NFL wide receivers by 231
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  Speaker 2: yards in terms of receiving yards. Next up, one week
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  Speaker 2: from today, primetime. Bears, Seahawks, Monday Night Football. Speaking of that,
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  Speaker 2: tonight Philadelphia... hosts the Cowboys of Dallas. You can hear
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  Speaker 2: it right here, 93.3 KGFM, 515. Kraken don't like playing
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  Speaker 2: the Minnesota Wild. They got beat 5-1 on Saturday. Minnesota
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  Speaker 2: scored four straight. They scored 26 seconds in. Seattle tied
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  Speaker 2: on a Berkeley Caton goal, and then after that, all Minnesota.
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  Speaker 2: They won eight straight against Seattle. Next up, Wednesday, Toronto
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  Speaker 2: in town, the Maple Leafs. They're good at hockey. Can't
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  Speaker 2: wait for that one. 6.30 pregame with the captain, 7
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  Speaker 2: o'clock drop of the puck. World Series game three is
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  Speaker 2: tonight in Tampa. Brewers hold a two-games-to-none lead as they
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  Speaker 2: head back to Florida for game three tonight. AP top 25.
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  Speaker 2: Miami still number one in the country. Ohio State moves
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  Speaker 2: up a spot to two.
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  Speaker 3: Georgia is three.
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  Speaker 2: Indiana is four, even though they and Michigan took the
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  Speaker 2: game of football back about 1,000 years with their game
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  Speaker 2: on Saturday morning.
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  Speaker 3: You watching that? God.
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness.
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  Speaker 4: It sounds like I didn't miss anything.
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  Speaker 2: Reminded me of the game that I watched down in
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  Speaker 2: Arizona years ago, the 6-6 tie with.
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  Speaker 4: The Cardinals and the Seahawks. Oh, that was ugly.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that. Utah moves up four spots to six. UCLA, football. UCLA, football.
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  Speaker 2: Number seven in the country. BYU goes from two to
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  Speaker 2: number eight. Kentucky, Alabama, right up top ten. Texas jumps
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  Speaker 2: up eight spots to number 11. That is your AP
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  Speaker 2: Top 25. And Hugh Millen standing by.
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  Speaker 1: Your home for the 12th man in the NFL proudly
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  Speaker 1: presents Hardcore Football with Hugh Millen.
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  Speaker 3: Brought to you by Hunt Services. Hit on the horn
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  Speaker 3: and call Hunt.
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  Speaker 1: Now here's Hugh with Ian Furness on Sports Radio 93.3
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  Speaker 1: KJR FM.
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  Speaker 2: Alright, time to check in with our good friend Hugh Breedlove-Millen.
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  Speaker 2: He is here and it's a victory Monday, Hugh. A
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  Speaker 2: fun Monday to.
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  Speaker 4: Talk to you on Hardcore Football, huh? Let's go. I
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  Speaker 4: love it. Great to be with you.
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  Speaker 2: Great to have you here. We're going to break it
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  Speaker 2: all down as only Hugh can. Hardcore Football every Monday
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  Speaker 2: at this time. Hugh, by the way, this number just
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  Speaker 2: jumps off the page at me. You know that the
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  Speaker 2: two teams combined to go 0-4 in the red zone yesterday?
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  Speaker 3: Wait for it.
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  Speaker 1: 0-3.
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  Speaker 2: One team was 0-3. The other team didn't get in
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  Speaker 2: the red zone. Can you believe that? That Kansas City
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  Speaker 2: never got into the red zone? And it's never happened
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  Speaker 2: with Mahomes. All these figures are coming out. The fewest
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  Speaker 2: first downs, fewest yards. And it's just another pelt on
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  Speaker 2: the cabin wall for Mike McDonald. Just taking, whether it's
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  Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame quarterback or whether it's a Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Fame coach, or a guy thought to be a
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  Speaker 2: mastermind offensively, and Mike McDonald just absolutely unraveling a guy.
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  Speaker 2: And it was fun to watch in every way. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Casey obviously came in with a certain potency with Mahomes
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  Speaker 2: and with K-9, and it just didn't matter. And Seattle
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  Speaker 2: did it in a variety of ways, and just watching
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  Speaker 2: that tape was some kind of treat this morning. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get through some specifics hardcore football-wise in a minute. Let's
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  Speaker 2: just get general thoughts when you watch the tape, what
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  Speaker 2: jumped out at you.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think obviously the defense, I think the offense
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  Speaker 4: did a lot of good things. And so they played
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  Speaker 4: a complimentary brand that Mike McDonald can live with. And
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  Speaker 4: maybe there's more potency coming from them when we get
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  Speaker 4: Jadarian price back, but I think the defensive destruction, it
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  Speaker 4: started with what you did with canine. That was the
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  Speaker 4: national story. And to be able to put the kind
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  Speaker 4: of numbers up that they did with him and the
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  Speaker 4: averages and the, and the, and the long of seven
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  Speaker 4: yards and, uh, just stymieing the chiefs in that regard. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: it had to be a frustrating, uh, over there for
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  Speaker 4: Andy Reed and, and, uh, and for Pat Mahomes and,
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  Speaker 4: and obviously for canine to hit, to be handed the
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  Speaker 4: ball over and over again. And, you know, I watched,
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  Speaker 4: I watched all the tape and then I went back
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  Speaker 4: and I watched just the canine, uh, um, runs trying
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  Speaker 4: to give you, you know, something like I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: go on with Ian and I'm going to say, well,
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  Speaker 4: it was because of this. Well, they tried left. They tried, right.
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  Speaker 4: They tried outside. They tried inside. They tried zone blocking.
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  Speaker 4: They tried lead blocking. They tried, uh, uh, gap scheme,
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  Speaker 4: power counter. I didn't, it didn't matter. What they tried,
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  Speaker 4: Seattle just built a wall and they're about dead even
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  Speaker 4: on the canine carries for whether they played a two
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  Speaker 4: high structure or a single high. I thought during the
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  Speaker 4: game that maybe they played more two high because that's
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  Speaker 4: just what they do. But when you actually tabulated out
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  Speaker 4: on every canine run, they brought the safety down a
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  Speaker 4: number of times and And on those situations and in
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  Speaker 4: those cases, the Chiefs weren't able to somehow induce that
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  Speaker 4: single high and get some matchups out on the perimeter.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Josh Jobe had a couple of big-time stops.
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  Speaker 4: And oftentimes, you know, a corner, when you don't remember
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  Speaker 4: him in the game, that's a really good thing. Like,
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  Speaker 4: you don't hear his name. No news is good news.
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  Speaker 4: And so he did a lot of really good things.
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  Speaker 4: Pritchett did good things. And because you can't remember, like, huh,
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  Speaker 4: I don't remember those guys' names being called. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: for good reason. You know, so I think that it
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  Speaker 4: was the idea that they're going to stop K-9 through
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  Speaker 4: a variety of ways. They're going to be able to
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  Speaker 4: decipher all the different schemes that the Chiefs were trying
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  Speaker 4: to get at them. They're going to build a wall.
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  Speaker 4: If they have to spill things to the outside, they
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  Speaker 4: had team speed on the perimeter to go get them.
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  Speaker 4: but they really bogged up the middle and there was
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  Speaker 4: just nothing. It was a box of coat hangers and
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  Speaker 4: the chiefs are really good on the interior of their
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  Speaker 4: offensive line. You know, their center and right guard are in,
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  Speaker 4: in the discussion for the best in the league at
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  Speaker 4: their positions. So, so the fact that Seattle just, you know,
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  Speaker 4: anchored down with those defensive tackles and, and what have you,
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  Speaker 4: and then, and then, you know, played it inside out
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  Speaker 4: from the running game perspective. There was just, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Just incredible fundamental football. And for me, Mike McDonald, he
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  Speaker 4: deserves all the accolades he can get. I absolutely love
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  Speaker 4: this guy as our coach. I wouldn't trade him for
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  Speaker 4: one coach on earth. He's so good. He has such
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  Speaker 4: a brilliant vision of how defensive football should look in
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  Speaker 4: this league. He knows exactly what's too much, what's not enough.
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  Speaker 4: He asks his guys to do things that they're capable
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  Speaker 4: of doing. It's not just, well, don't ask a guy
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  Speaker 4: to do something he can't do. He's, he is, as
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  Speaker 4: he alluded to, he is trying to push the envelope
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  Speaker 4: and ask guys to do things they can do. Like
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  Speaker 4: don't waste their talent. And anyways, obviously I can ramble on.
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  Speaker 4: I just, I have nothing but goosebumps and, and admiration
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  Speaker 4: for what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: They have only allowed 300 yards of offense one game
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  Speaker 2: this season. That was against the Chargers of all teams,
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  Speaker 2: that goofy-ass fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the third or fourth quarter, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which is weird, but I'm glad you brought up Mike
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  Speaker 2: McDonald the way you just did because this is something
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  Speaker 2: that I made a note of last night when I'm
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  Speaker 2: watching the game and I wanted to ask you today.
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  Speaker 2: In today's world of hyperbole and social media, but just
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  Speaker 2: with every game being broadcast and as much preparation as
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  Speaker 2: a broadcaster is going to put into a game, whether
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  Speaker 2: it be Chris Collinsworth or Ross Tucker or TJ Watt
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  Speaker 2: or Troy Eggman, whoever's doing the color, as much preparation
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  Speaker 2: as those guys put in, you're going to have a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of hyperbole at times. You're going to have
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of, hey, this guy, this guy, and
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  Speaker 2: some generalizations. Brian Flores in Minnesota, what they're doing this
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  Speaker 2: year is remarkable.
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  Speaker 3: They're undefeated.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're just killing teams. They've allowed, I think
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  Speaker 2: it's less than 100 points this season in six games.
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  Speaker 4: It's fun.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're crushing it, and we hear about him.
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  Speaker 2: He blitzes all the time. Collinsworth, if he had a
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  Speaker 2: drink for a time, he said the name Steve Spagnuolo
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  Speaker 2: last night, you would be still drunk right now, Hugh.
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  Speaker 3: You'd be hammered.
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  Speaker 2: But they talk about these guys. My question to you,
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  Speaker 2: and what I jotted down last night is, What is it?
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned he puts guys in positions that they can
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  Speaker 2: do what they can do. But from a hardcore standpoint,
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  Speaker 2: what is it about Mike McDonald that separates him and
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  Speaker 2: allows him to basically, this is a Hugh Millen term,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, allows him to pants some of the
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  Speaker 2: best offensive minds in football?
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, first of all, Spagnola has four Super Bowl rings. And,
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  Speaker 4: you know, an architect of one of the greatest defensive
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  Speaker 4: performances in the history of football in that giant victory over...
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  Speaker 4: the undefeated patriots in the super bowl where he held
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  Speaker 4: that that vaunted offense um to uh to 14 points
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  Speaker 4: the giants won that game 17 to 14 and uh
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  Speaker 4: i remember when you're just kind of crunching numbers on
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  Speaker 4: a spreadsheet and i was looking at you know, about
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  Speaker 4: 12 different statistics. And all of a sudden I was
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  Speaker 4: looking at like 2022 or 23 or whatever. But I
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  Speaker 4: had a spreadsheet that was all comprehensive. And I would go,
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  Speaker 4: wait a minute, 2007, Tom Brady was number one in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL in every single one of these 12 most
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  Speaker 4: important categories. That was the only year it's ever been done.
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  Speaker 4: Like that was a freaky offensive team. and he held
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  Speaker 4: them to 14 points. So give Spaggs his credit. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, no.
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  Speaker 4: There can be two truths.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can talk about a guy too much.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about him too much, and he's a hell of
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  Speaker 2: a coordinator. And Flores is the same way. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: neither one of those guys were good head coaches. They
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  Speaker 2: both are phenomenal defensive coordinators, and they have their calling cards.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned the resume of Spagnuolo. My point is, in
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  Speaker 2: the resume of Flores, he's like the king of the blitz, right?
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  Speaker 2: He just comes at you. What is it about McDonald
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  Speaker 2: that just is different?
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  Speaker 4: First of all, For me, you look and you say
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  Speaker 4: McDonald's is primarily a too high structure guy that plays zone.
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  Speaker 4: They're at 91% zone. I have to update that. They're
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  Speaker 4: over 90% zone. They're at or near the top. They
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  Speaker 4: do it generally with too high safety, so they've got
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  Speaker 4: to stop the run with a light box. So it's
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  Speaker 4: his vision of going, okay, I'm going to go a
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  Speaker 4: gap and a half. He could have said, hey, I
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  Speaker 4: like penetrators. Give me guys that can get up in
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  Speaker 4: the gap up the field. Or he could have said,
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  Speaker 4: just give me these slugs that are two gaps. Well,
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  Speaker 4: he likes guys that can start to penetrate into a single.
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  Speaker 4: Let's say Leonard Williams, he's a three tech. And he's
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  Speaker 4: on the outside shade of the guard. So he'll explode
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  Speaker 4: into that B gap. but he won't continue to rush up.
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  Speaker 4: He'll hold his place, and he'll present the color to
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  Speaker 4: the running back of, okay, that B gap is closed,
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  Speaker 4: but he's not penetrating. So now if he needs to
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  Speaker 4: at the end, Leonard Williams can shuck the guard and
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  Speaker 4: then fall back into the play. So it's everybody working
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  Speaker 4: as a unit to stop the run, to spill it
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  Speaker 4: to the outside. And then in coverage, when you play
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  Speaker 4: man-to-man and you can play great defense, you know, like
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  Speaker 4: the Bears in 85, you know, they just loaded it
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  Speaker 4: up and they came after you. Now, they had a
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  Speaker 4: great scheme, so maybe this is a bad example, but
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  Speaker 4: they played a lot of man-to-man and they just– I
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  Speaker 4: think they had 66 sacks. They just counted on getting
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  Speaker 4: you home. But if you can play man-to-man well, then, hey,
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  Speaker 4: good on you, man. Your cats are better than their cats. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: But when you play zone as frequently as the Seahawks
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  Speaker 4: do and the Ravens did when they were number one
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  Speaker 4: in the NFL his last year before being the Seahawks
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  Speaker 4: head coach, you watch how they hand receivers off. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: just think in zone basketball. Thankfully, I don't know anything
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  Speaker 4: about soccer, but I'm sure that people on defense and soccer,
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  Speaker 4: you have to have an awareness of that, um, uh, of,
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  Speaker 4: of where your help is your help to the inside,
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  Speaker 4: the help to the outside, the help in front of you,
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  Speaker 4: the help behind you. Like, like I'm going to go,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to go four steps following this receiver, not
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  Speaker 4: five and not three, because that that's when, when I
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  Speaker 4: need to release that receiver and then, and then say,
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  Speaker 4: and stay in my area and hunt, hunt And, and,
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  Speaker 4: and then, you know, you, you know, whether you're matching
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  Speaker 4: receivers or whether, you know, you match a receiver, if he,
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  Speaker 4: if he does a certain route or you, you sink
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  Speaker 4: and you zone up an area, like, so there is
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  Speaker 4: a comprehension to their, uh, to their zone defense that requires, uh,
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  Speaker 4: great teaching, great understanding, great team thought. And so, uh,
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  Speaker 4: and then, but they, but they got dudes, they play coverages.
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  Speaker 4: For example, they play, uh, primarily their, their number one
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  Speaker 4: coverage is a coverage called cover six. And what cover
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  Speaker 4: six is you're going to roll the coverage to one side,
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  Speaker 4: but a corner down in the flat and a safety
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  Speaker 4: over the top. But then on the other side, the
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  Speaker 4: corner and the safety are going to be backed off
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  Speaker 4: and they're going to have to read the coverage is
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  Speaker 4: whether or not the receivers are going vertical and who's
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  Speaker 4: going to the flat and what have you. And you
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  Speaker 4: look at that coverage, you say, well, the strong flat
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  Speaker 4: is going to be vulnerable to the defense, accessible to
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  Speaker 4: the quarterback. But then they have Eamon Worry in that
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  Speaker 4: position and he covers so much freaking ground that he
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  Speaker 4: erases the weakness of the coverage. And then when they
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  Speaker 4: got into a passing situation, Like last night, it's all
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  Speaker 4: over the tape. They get into the quarters coverage where
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  Speaker 4: both corners and safeties are off. It's a four deep
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  Speaker 4: structure with just three underneath. Well, stop right there. You
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  Speaker 4: can reason this through. You don't have to have ever
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  Speaker 4: put shoulder pads on in your life. If you say, okay,
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  Speaker 4: we're going to rush four and we're going to play
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  Speaker 4: zone with seven guys. We're going to put four deep.
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  Speaker 4: but we're only going to have three underneath. As you
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  Speaker 4: start thinking, wait a minute, three zones underneath and the
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  Speaker 4: field is 53 yards wide? Hang on, how can you
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  Speaker 4: play an area with three guys? Well, you can't. You
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  Speaker 4: have to match the inside receivers. So the defense sees
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  Speaker 4: five eligible receivers, and they're either going to see a
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  Speaker 4: three-by-two or a four-by-one. That's all the defense can see.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Right. Because there has to be an eligible receiver on
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  Speaker 4: each side.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: And and at some point, the defense, you know, it's
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  Speaker 4: got to declare there's no other. Now it could be three.
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  Speaker 4: It could be two by three or it could be
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  Speaker 4: three by two. It could be one by four or
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  Speaker 4: four by one. But that's how the defense is ultimately
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  Speaker 4: going to see it. And so you got Ernest Jones
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  Speaker 4: is like, hey, you got three. Not the not not
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  Speaker 4: the three before the snap the ball. The third guy
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  Speaker 4: to the strength, which is often the running back or
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  Speaker 4: the tight end in the spread sets, you got number three.
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  Speaker 4: And so then anybody to the flat, those underneath guys,
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  Speaker 4: they don't spot drop because there's only three guys. They
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  Speaker 4: have to play man concepts within a zone on the
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  Speaker 4: inside guys. And then now if I'm Pat Mahomes, I'm
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  Speaker 4: looking like, okay, Ernest Jones, not the greatest athlete, but
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  Speaker 4: really heady. And he just kind of, he just, he
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  Speaker 4: just knows where the, how to find his man, how to,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he can do all kinds of window dressing.
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  Speaker 4: He knows how to find number three, usually not to
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  Speaker 4: say he's never been beat, but he's usually on point.
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  Speaker 4: And then when you got even worry on one side
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  Speaker 4: and you've got Witherspoon on the other, as you're, as
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  Speaker 4: you're shallow outside defenders and, Holy cow. I mean, they
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  Speaker 4: are so quick spinning their hips. They, um, they're uber
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  Speaker 4: competitive in the case of him and worry as long
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  Speaker 4: as hell, uh, explosive as hell. So yeah, there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of grass to cover underneath near the line of scrimmage, but, um,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: but they, they can just, uh, you know, hit the
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: turbo boat button at will. And so where you see
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: other teams that have, uh, You know, good athletes. I mean,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: they're all in the NFL. They're good athletes. But you
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: say there's nothing special. Then you watch the Seahawks on tape,
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: and it's like everybody looks like they're shot out of
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: a rubber band. Like, you know, it's like, boom, when
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: they decide to go, they just go. Right. And their
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: tackling was extraordinary last night. You know, they had under 10%
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: missed tackles. The Chiefs came into the game at about–
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: number one in the NFL, by the way, and, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: in missed tackle at 6.8%, that was best in the league.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: And they were up at around 12%, but Seattle was
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: under 10%. Um, so, so good night of tackling, excellent
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: night of tackling, but, but covering space and, um, and
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: playing selfless and playing, you know, fast, you know, you know, awareness,
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: you know, sniffing out screens and, and, um, You know,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: they're just, they're, they're, they're very fundamental. My only beef
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: with them is that they lose contain and this coming
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: up against the bears is a bad week. So hopefully they,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: they address that, but, but. That's where, I don't know,
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: am I being too vague? No, no, because I don't
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: want to just make these vague statements. I want some specificity,
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: but that's how they do it, in my opinion.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Which is amazing, and that was a great explanation. I'm
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: going to save the next segment for the unicorn that
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: is Eamon Ward, if I can. You've watched a lot
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: of football, a lot of football. I just want to
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I guess I just selfishly want to hear you wax
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: on about Eamon Warren in the next segment.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I'll let you do that in the next segment.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: And also how they utilize him, because I think it's
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: kind of an amazing thing. He's a defensive football player.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there's no... position next to him.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: But just real fast, can we throw a little bit
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: of love to the world.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Of Tyrese Knight?
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: He played 37 snaps, 70% of the snaps last night,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: had eight tackles. And listen, tackles aren't the be-all to end-all.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think Eamon Warr is a good example
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: of that. You don't have to have a zillion tackles
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: to be a good football player. But Drake Thomas kind
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: of beat him out last year. And we remember Knight
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: coming in, and he was a No.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: 2 guy.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: They had two linebackers that were punted to the opposite
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: end of the world by Mike McDonald after a few
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: weeks when he watched those guys play. And he went
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: with Knight, and they brought in Ernest Jones. And then
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: they brought in Drake Thomas, and he was already here,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I guess, as a practice squad guy. But Drake Thomas
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: ends up being a starter. Tyrese Knight has to come
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: in and replace him the last couple of weeks. I just,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: I felt like we noticed a lot of Tyrese Knight
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: last night. I thought that was pretty cool.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: It really was. And I would say if you ask
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: canine or the, uh, the tape would show, uh, who
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: had the most physical sticks on him. Um, I, I,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: I think Knight might've had the top three, you know, uh, just,
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: you know, forceful, just like, Hey, you know, like stop
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: you in your tracks, just stick. Remember that term, you know, uh, uh, that's, that,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: that's a term has been around. I mean, he just stuck, uh, canine.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: So yes. Uh, and, and it's a complicated defense.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: He, he generally playing the weak side linebacker, but, but
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: if they motion, they're not going to flop, then he
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: has to become the strong side linebacker, uh, at least
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: strong to the formation and, and, and his, his, uh,
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: his responsibilities can change on the fly. And, uh, and
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: that happened a number of times. So I think that, yeah,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: I think I, I don't, I don't, uh, I don't,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: I don't feel like with Drake Thomas, uh, you're missing
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: a lot there. I mean, Drake Thomas is not the
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: athlete that Tyrese Knight is. And he, and he, and
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: he generally doesn't have the physicality, that kind of physicality,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: that high end, uh, thud. But, um, and you know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Drake Thomas is a starter cause he's just, you know, uh, uh, uh,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: just a tick. faster on his diagnosis.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: And I mean, if Mike McDonald says that this guy's
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: the smartest football player I've ever had, well, you can just,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: you know, mic drop.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: That's why, that's why that gets my attention. That's like
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: EF Hutton. Yeah. He said, what about who, let me
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: write that down again.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Um, you know, so it's, it's no slight on, on
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: night that he lost his job to Thomas, but he's
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: a better specimen.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: And now at this juncture in his game, I mean,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: where'd he go to UT San Antonio or no, no.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: He was New Mexico, right?
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: UTEP.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, UTEP.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: UTEP.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: UTEP.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Cause I remember watching his game, uh, the full game
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: against Arizona Wildcats. That was Jed Fish's Wildcats probably. But,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: but you know, that was an opportunity for UTEP to
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: play against a Pac-12 team at the time. And, And
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: I remember just saying, yeah, he's a he's a heck
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: of a athlete, but his eyes are so undisciplined. I mean,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: he just he bites at every eye candy out there.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: And so so like there was a there was a
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: you know, the game didn't come easy to him mentally. Um,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: there was some distractions there and, and now, you know,
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: having been taught by the best, uh, you know, he just, he,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: he plays a smarter brand of football for sure.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Well, there's, I mean, there's just, and the reason I
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: ask is I'm thinking to myself, yeah, I mean, Drake
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Thomas will tell you all those things and, you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Tyler Cotter probably fits in that category too. I mean,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: an ideal world, maybe Bud Clark's your, your safety if
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't get hurt, but the, the ability, I think
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: there's a great term, diagnose what's happening is key. And
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, if Knight's able to do
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: that along with his physical attributes, um, Scary stuff. Hugh,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: when we come back, we'll probably touch in on the
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: offense if we have time, but again, this is just
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: selfish on my part. I would like you to speak
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: on Nicky Manwari. I don't know if you have the
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: ability to do that at all and say anything nice
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: about him, but if you can.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man. I'm going to have to scurry
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: during this commercial break. I don't know. I wouldn't have
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: thought of anything kind to say about him.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I'll tee it up with this. We've had some really
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: fun guys to watch over the years, and they're all different.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: But whether it be Earl Thomas, hey, man, or Cam Chancellor,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: guys like that, Sherm. I mean, we've had some really
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: fun guys to watch over the years. I'm not sure
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: if this guy isn't at the top of the list,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and I'll ask you how they utilize them. Hardcore Football
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: continues with Hugh Millen next. Hardcore football continues. Hugh Miller
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: back with us. Seahawks get a huge win over Kansas
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: City yesterday. The defense really incredible. They handed Pat Mahomes
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: really his worst outing in terms of statistics. Being healthy
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: for an entire game he's ever had in the NFL. Hugh,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: in 2025, in the second round, 35th overall, the Seahawks
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: took a player by the name of Nicky Manwari out
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: of South Carolina with the 35th overall pick. Second round,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: he comes in here. He gets banged up in his
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: first game, and then all of a sudden we start
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: seeing the fruits of the labor as this guy starts
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: cranking up to a different notch. When you watch what
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: he is, and you're doing the 33rd team, you're on
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: there with our guy Cosell, Paolo Zolo, and you guys,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: that think tank that's the 33rd team. If Bill Polly
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: or somebody comes up and says, what is Nicky Amanwari?
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: How does this work? What is he?
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Who is he?
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Help me out here.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I call him a Sino. He's a safety
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: in name only. Because last night, he didn't have a
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: single rep in the back end. For the season, he's
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: got 0.8% of his reps in the back end. So
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: he's going to be on or near the line of
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: scrimmage or box somewhere. Now, it might be in the middle.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: It might be defensive end. That's not to say he
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: doesn't have versatility. but his versatility stops with the idea
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: that he's going to be a back-end defender. He wasn't
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: last year. He isn't this year. But I would say
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: he's a guy that the only– I mentioned this morning,
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: he's the only guy that got a perfect 10 on
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: his athletic grade from the combine, and he would have
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: got it for a safety, a corner, and in the
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: entire history, there's only one guy who would have beat
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: him if he was a wide receiver, and that's Calvin Johnson.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: So he has a freaky athletic profile, and now he
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: brings it to the field, and just the idea that
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: he can do everything as a linebacker. He's a strong
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: outside linebacker. I would just say he's a nickel Sam.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: They didn't play a down of base technically last night.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: They played nickel and they played dime. And so when
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: he plays, he's, he's like a Sam linebacker at, and,
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: and if, if you're looking at him, you just say
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: he's a really athletic Sam, which is exactly what Mike
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: McDonald said about him prior to the 49 playoff game
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: last year. He finally admitted that's who he is. So
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: that's who he is. And, uh, I know we'll go
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: over a few of these plays.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: How does he cover Xavier Worthy step for step and
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: then play as a DN the next play?
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: I cannot overstate or impress upon you or anybody just
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: how rare and freaky that is. Because normally you'd say, okay,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Xavier Worthy set the all-time combine record. I mean, like
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: this guy has Olympic speed. He could be on the
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: four by 100. you know, grabbing a baton. Like he
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: is that level of speed. And so usually a defense
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: is sitting there. Remember, I was a professional scout team quarterback.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: When you're the backup, you are going against the number
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: one defense, right? Every day. That's what you do. And
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: to prevent, excuse me, present the look of the opposing quarterback.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: And so I'm hearing defensive coaches and they talk about
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: the matchups. I'm right there in the middle of it. And,
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: If you go against a guy with that kind of heat,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: you're sitting there going, do we have anybody on our
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: roster at 180 pounds, at any weight, that can run
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: with this guy? And now you're telling me that a
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: guy north of 220 pounds is going to be the
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: guy that they're going to put in man-to-man? Now, that
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: play that you described, one of the things about that
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: that you're probably not going to hear spoke about in
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: other places is what happened before the snap on that ball.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: The Chiefs were in the right hash. So Eamon Worry
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: lines up as the nickel Sam. They're in the nickel,
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Knight to the boundary, and Eamon Worry to the field.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: But the Chiefs' motion were the over from the right side,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: from the short side, to the wide side. And as
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: you watch Seattle, Eamon Worry, he's just over there. He's like, oh, okay.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: You're going to put Worthy in my spot? I got him.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: It's like they didn't know that he was going to go.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Seattle did not know he was going to go in motion.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: They just had Eamon Worry, and then they just reacted
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: to it. Now, whether or not they're going to play
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: the same coverage, Seattle does a lot of checking. And
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: they may have had a two-by-two on that particular call.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: And then when it became a three-by-one, it changed to
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: a different call. So there may be some audibilizing. But
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: the point is this, Eamon Worry, when Worthy shifted over
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: into his shift would be the proper term, not motion, um,
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: because he shifted over and he got set and he
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: was the middle guy of trips and he, he established his,
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: his alignment. I'm talking about worthy. Now he established it
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: in a minus two or a minus three split. What
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: does that mean? From the top of the numbers, he
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: was about two to three yards inside.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Closer to the ball okay well the top of the
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: numbers is 14 yards from the sideline that means that
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: he was at least 16 yards from the sideline he's
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: running a go route the whole reason why the nfl
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: has gone to this uh this type of of scheme
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: uh on on the the the concept is why stick
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: and it's you've got uh travis kelsey is he's the
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: innermost of three closest to the ball he's a tight
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: end he's running a five, six yard out route. That's
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: a stick route. And then, and then you got to
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: have somebody going deep and then somebody in the flat
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: to make a kind of a triangle spacing and zone.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Got me.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: And, and with the middle guy running the vertical, that
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: is a green light check for a quarterback. Like if
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: you like the matchup, go and get it because it's
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: easier from the slot receiver. I just said, he's what?
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Two yards inside the numbers. Yep. Um, Then if he
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: was wider, it's harder to hit against air. It's harder
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: to hit in the game. So the point was, this
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: is the most favorable opportunity that a quarterback can have.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: He's got an Olympic sprinter going against a 220-pound linebacker.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: The ball's on the right hash. We have a minus
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: split of at least two yards. And you're just going, wow.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, Mahomes is like green light. Here we go.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Get your helmet on. You're in on the next play.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: It's going to be a PAT.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Like, um, and, and yet Eamon Worry without a safety,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: but help behind him. Cause that's the important thing. It's
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: one thing to say that Eamon Worry had man to
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: man on Xavier Worthy. That doesn't impress me if it's
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: covered two men.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: Because, Because there'd be a safety on each half of
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: the field over the top to help on all verticals. No.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: This was cover one. Actually, they did what I call
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: cover seven, where the safety love came down and bracketed
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: with Ernest Jones on Kelsey running the stick route. So
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: they were bracketing in and out on Kelsey. Everybody else
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: is man-to-man. There's no safety over the top. None. So
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Eamon Worry is on a complete island. And just the
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: idea that, that, that there is any human being on
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: any continent that can at 220 pounds that can run
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: with Xavier worthy. Uh, it would be, is just a
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: staggering proposition. I mean, they'd laugh you out of a
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: coaching convention. And he said that there's such a human
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: being and yet he does exist on this continent on
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: this team. And, and he ran hip for hip for him. And, uh,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: and it's just, I don't know. I don't know. I can't, uh,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: you know, for those who haven't played football and love football,
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: I hope I'm making the imprint on you.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Just how freaky rare that is. I, I, I'm going
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: to tell you too, just like, you know, we're out
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: of practice every Wednesday for, you know, the 15 minutes
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: or so we're allowed out there. And, and, uh, last
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: week I think I took a picture and put it
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: on Instagram. I'm sitting there with him or like sitting
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: there watching even worry.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: And I look over. Like he's listed at 6'3, 220.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I think he's a little heavier than that. And when
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I say heavy, that usually is a negative connotation. Like,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, he's– no, no. No, just the
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: way he's put together. Like he looks.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Couldn't agree more.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: Could not agree more. I'm glad you said that. Yeah.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: He's the most impressive athlete I've seen in a long time,
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: you out there.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: I think– you know what? I'm going to just say
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: it real simple because we know the glutes are the
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: strongest muscle in– in the physique. I think his ass
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: has gotten bigger. I agree with you. I think that he, he, he,
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: he was two 20. I think he's now he's two 25. Yeah.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: And he just looks by the way. Um, I was
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: a teammates with, um, Ron Brown. When I got drafted
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: in the NFL, Ron Brown was an Olympic, he was
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: on the four by 100, uh, Olympic team. And, um,
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: and you know, he, he had that kind of juice.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: So when I say that, Xavier Worthy is an Olympic sprinter.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: I'm not kind of just saying that for a fact.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: If you're the fastest receiver in the history of the NFL,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: excuse me, fastest player in the history of the NFL combine,
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: you are an Olympic-level sprinter. If he had chosen in
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: eighth grade to drop football and dedicate himself to be
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: an Olympic sprinter, there's a damn good chance he's one
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  Speaker 4: of America's top players. four or five sprinters. Like he's
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: that fast. And, and so, so anyway, I want to
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: make that distinction. I was being literal when I said, no.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: I know. I just, it's, I just think if you're,
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  Speaker 2: if you're any kind of football fan, just watching three
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  Speaker 2: for Seattle is just a treat. Unless you're, unless you're
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: a fan of the team that he's playing against, that's
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: probably not fun.
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  Speaker 3: But that guy is good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple things. I know we're chewing up the segment,
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  Speaker 4: but he was blitzing off the edge on the interception,
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  Speaker 4: and he turned the hoop. He ran the hoop like
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: a defensive end and sprinted and caused the interception. There
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: are a number of times, Ian, where he's the flat defender,
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  Speaker 4: and Mahomes is looking over there, and he wants no
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  Speaker 4: part of it. You just see, he looks and then
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: he sees three and then he comes off. In fact,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: remember the Derek Hall hit?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody can remember. Nobody can forget that one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, the, the fumble and right. Um, if you look,
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  Speaker 4: he looks over to the right, he's trying to get,
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  Speaker 4: they're trying to get the running back, um, in the
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  Speaker 4: flat now. Uh, and, and even worry went over the
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: top of the slant. Uh, he had to navigate that and, and, um,
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  Speaker 4: And there he was in a position to accelerate on
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  Speaker 4: the back. And Mahomes was like, no, thank you. No,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: thank you. And so that caused him to then turn
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  Speaker 4: and sprint. So there's just all over my... sheet it's
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: like he was there was a uh a dagger concept
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  Speaker 4: where you take the slot you run him through the
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  Speaker 4: safety and then the widest receiver worthy he's going to
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  Speaker 4: run a deep in at about 18 19 yards and
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: when you watch him man he can haul ass when
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: he when he um has free access and you don't
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: jam him whoa, that dude is a freaking jet worthy.
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  Speaker 4: And he just screams up, rounds into the middle of
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: the defense, but there's Eamon Worry just backing up. He's
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: the underneath defender. He's backing up into that area. And again,
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: Mahomes doesn't want that smoke. And you see it all
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: over the field. So a lot of Mahomes, when you
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: look at that very pedestrian performance, the number of plays,
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: I've got– I've got yellow highlight all over my page. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
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  Speaker 4: Eight different plays where I've got Mahomes deterred by Eamon Worry.
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  Speaker 4: So it's not just the plays that you see him make.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he ran down K-9 on a wide run
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  Speaker 4: to Kansas City's left. Eamon Worry was blitzing off the right.
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  Speaker 4: the right side and sifted his way through the defenders.
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  Speaker 4: And it was, I don't know, man. It was like, like, like,
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know, a horse rate, a horse, just like,
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: like down the backstretch, just running by all the other horses.
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  Speaker 4: He just, he just, I don't know. I run out
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: of analogies, but, but he chased him down. And from
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: the opposite side, it was a four yard gain, Ian
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: four yard game. And he made the tackle. And by
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: the way, made up, you know, a pretty good, a
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: reasonably violent hit, given that the angles that were involved,
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: cause you're out by the sideline, you know, you, you're
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: going to have more forceful hits in the hash marks,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: you know, Out by the sideline, it's hard to really
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: thump somebody, but he put a pretty good hit on K-9,
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  Speaker 4: and he came from the opposite side, and he was
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: able to do it for a four-yard loss. Here you go, K-9,
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  Speaker 4: four yards and a headache for your troubles.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: How about instead of Sino, safety in name only, it's
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Secretariat instead. We'll take a quick break, come back, we'll
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: wrap it up, but look ahead. Schedule coming up is interesting.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: You've got Chicago, Arizona, and Vegas before the bye, and
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about that next. Just on the show today.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: We'll get to more text later, by the way. 49451,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Tacoma Dodge text line. Talkbacks as well. The feeling in
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: one week's time is so different when you and I
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: talked last Monday. It was after the Thursday night game.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: But the losses to San Francisco and Denver, two over
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: a span of five days. You're starting to see the
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: division become out of reach.
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  Speaker 3: Wild card there.
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  Speaker 2: And you've got Kansas City at 5-0 rolling in. And
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: then after that, you've got Chicago on the horizon, Hugh.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: And they've got it humming now with Ben Johnson and
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Caleb Williams healthy.
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  Speaker 3: Tough little stretch for Seattle.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think it is, but I like Seattle's chance
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: in Chicago against Chicago. And then you get Arizona and Vegas.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: I think you're fine there. And then you got the
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: huge game November 29th against the 49ers. Seattle coming off
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: a bye. That's important. The week before, the 49ers will
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: be playing the Vikings. and then three games against the
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: NFC East, Cowboys, Giants, Eagles, and then you finish with
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: two games against the Rams, a sandwiching game at Carolina. Now,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: here's an interesting thing, because I still have my sights
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: on winning the NFC West. So here's how it's got
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: to happen. So with San Francisco one loss and Seattle three,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: You just, obviously, we're going to ink right now. Let's
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: say that the 49ers and the Seahawks played this morning
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: in Santa Clara and Seattle just won.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Okay, so now we're within one, right?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So we just have to have the 49ers lose one
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: more game than Seattle the remainder of the way. Now,
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: here's an interesting part about scheduling that I bet everybody
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: Most of your listeners will be interested, but probably couldn't
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: in any specificity explain what I'm about to explain. If
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: you take a 17-game schedule, so you obviously play six
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: division games. Got me? And then this year, all of
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: the NFC West plays all of the AFC West and
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: all of the NFC East. Got me?
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
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  Speaker 4: And that's going to come down to common opponents, which
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: is the second tiebreaker after division wins. But the three
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: remaining games goes like this. They play the AFC East,
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: and it's how you placed the year before. Seahawks were first.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: So the Seahawks played the Patriots already. The Rams were
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: second last year. The Bills were second last year. So
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: the Rams had to play the Bills, and they already
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: lost that game. 49ers got a break. They were third
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  Speaker 4: last year in the NFC West, so they got to
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: play the Dolphins. They already beat them. Now, this Monday
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  Speaker 4: is one of the NFC North games. Seattle's number one,
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: play the Bears who were number one. The Rams have
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: to play the Packers and the 49ers have to play
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: the Vikings who were number three last year. So there's
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: a possible loss there. NFC South. Seahawks were first, the
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Panthers were first. I'm not scared of the Panthers even
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  Speaker 4: going there. No, no, no. The Rams have to play
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: the Buccaneers, who were second, and the 49ers just played
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: the Falcons, who were third, and they lost. Now, unfortunately,
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: those games have lesser importance. So here's the number one tiebreaker.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: If we can get the 49ers to lose to the Rams,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: that's doable, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: And Seattle controlled on destiny. And then you say, well, um,
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: how do you tie, uh, that would involve the, uh, uh, a,
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: a tie for Seattle losing only one game. And then
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: the 49ers having lost to Seattle and the Rams, and
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: then Seattle's the NFC West champ. You know, there, there
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: may be other losses, but you know, among both teams,
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: but that's not terribly far fetched. Now you said, well,
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: wait a minute. Uh, Does Seattle have to beat the
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Rams both games and at San Francisco and the Cardinals? Well,
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: I'm just telling you the number one tiebreaker within the
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: division is division wins, and the second tiebreaker is common opponents.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: And the common opponents, the 49ers just lost to the
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: Falcons who are not a common opponent. So Seattle has
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: two losses in common opponents. against Denver and against the commanders,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: the four 49ers have none. So, so there'd have to
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: be a lot of makeup to win on the common opponents, actual.
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  Speaker 4: So you go back to the first tiebreaker, which is
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: the division, uh, best record in the division.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: And if Seattle can, uh, you know, Seattle obviously has
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: one loss right now, but we just beat the 49ers
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  Speaker 4: this morning.
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  Speaker 1: Right?
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Did you get that news?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I loved it. That was a pretty good win.
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  Speaker 2: Back-to-back games. Yeah, that's a nice weekend.
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  Speaker 3: I like it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were kind of tired, but they got up
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: and they did it. So now the 49ers have another loss.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: They have a loss in the division, and it's head-to-head.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: So Seattle is tied with the 49ers, one win each.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: And then, okay, what's the next– Because that's obviously the
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: first tiebreaker, head-to-head. But then the next one is division.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: So let's beat the 49ers. Let's have the Rams beat
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: the 49ers. And that's how you become the NFC West champs.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: It's not terribly far-fetched. And, by the way, without Mike Evans.
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  Speaker 3: They're a different team. They're a different team without him.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, hell, they play the Vikings. They play that
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: game at home. But that defense is a problem. And
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: so I don't think the 49ers are going to win out. Actually,
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: I probably don't think the Seahawks are going to win out.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: But you're getting closer. to controlling your destiny with just
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: one more slip by the 49ers, and there's always that
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: game that the Rams can beat the 49ers.
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  Speaker 3: I'm in. I'm buying in.
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  Speaker 2: I'm in all chips in after that, Hugh. I'm 100% in.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Let's go get it, right? Hugh will be back later.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: What did Cal Raleigh say? Let's go get the effing thing?
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That was a year ago, unfortunately, but now
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: he got surgery. Well, Hugh, more for today, right, with Softie?
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I believe so, yes. All right, more for you later on. Thanks, buddy.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Great job.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: That's Hugh Millen.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Bye-bye.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Mike Sando takes a tour of the NFL with us.
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  Speaker 3: Coming up next.