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10-21-26 - Avs lose to Devils on a back-to-back/NFL STOCK UP - STOCK DOWN/NBA is back, go get Jonathan Taylor · The Appetizer Hour with Brett Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is the Appetizer Hour with Brett Cain on demand.
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  Speaker 1: Check out Brett weekday mornings at 6 on Altitude Sports
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  Speaker 2: One by the Avalanche. Two seconds. Taves lets it go.
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  Speaker 2: Caught by Allen.
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  Speaker 1: And that is it.
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  Speaker 2: An unsuccessful road trip for the Colorado Avalanche. A 3-2
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  Speaker 2: loss versus the Flyers. And tonight, a 4-3 loss against
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  Speaker 2: the Devils. Oh, no! We suck again! So the Avs
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  Speaker 2: finish out this road trip.
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  Speaker 3: They are now a 500 hockey team to start the year,
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  Speaker 3: dropping three of their last four.
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  Speaker 2: I think both of these.
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  Speaker 3: Games were just games in which they looked incredibly, and
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  Speaker 3: I know Bednar mentioned this, but Sluggish. It is a,
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  Speaker 3: to me, sort of a situation in which you have
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  Speaker 3: high expectations because the Avs are really good off back-to-backs typically,
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  Speaker 3: plus they had a bad performance, just straight-up bad, against
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  Speaker 3: the Flyers. You go in to play New Jersey, a
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  Speaker 3: 500 hockey team, and I think you were just expecting
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  Speaker 3: a different level of jams From the very beginning. And
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  Speaker 3: once again, it's you put yourself in a hole and
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  Speaker 3: you have to battle your way back. Now, look, they
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  Speaker 3: got things evened up after the first period ended. But
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  Speaker 3: shots at the end of the game were fairly even
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  Speaker 3: in at 41 to 34. But I think we can
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  Speaker 3: all kind of tell like it was 25 or 23
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  Speaker 3: to five in the second period at one point. You
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  Speaker 3: just didn't have that level of oomph to kind of start.
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  Speaker 3: And once again, it feels like you kind of wasted
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  Speaker 3: a decent goalie night, like Scott Wedgwood.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he gave up three, I suppose.
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  Speaker 3: But it was on 40 shots, and not a lot
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  Speaker 3: of goalies are used to seeing that high of volume.
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  Speaker 2: From the Avs defensively.
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  Speaker 3: It just took way too long to get into the game,
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  Speaker 3: and that seems to be a somewhat common theme here
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  Speaker 3: to start the year. This was Bednar's thoughts after the
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  Speaker 3: Philly game, and I think this same quote.
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  Speaker 2: Applies directly to what we saw yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Sluggish and sloppy, you know? Like, execution was a big
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  Speaker 4: factor for us tonight in the pace that we were
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  Speaker 4: playing at. It was sloppy, it was... like passes weren't good,
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  Speaker 4: handling passes weren't good. It's hard to go anywhere when
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  Speaker 4: you're meeting the puck up, you know, and that's what
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  Speaker 4: I thought we did for the bulk of the game.
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  Speaker 4: And then when we started to execute a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: like we just made it too easy on him, like
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  Speaker 4: not enough traffic to the net, not enough pucks going
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  Speaker 4: to the net, not doing enough to create offense.
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  Speaker 3: Again, that was after the Philly game, but I think
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  Speaker 3: you could have copied and pasted that to last night's game.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same thing. you know, you have to get
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  Speaker 2: pucks on net.
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  Speaker 3: You have to be able to find opportunities, even if
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  Speaker 3: it's not, you know, going to be a shot that,
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  Speaker 3: that whizzes by, you know, the shoulder and, and goes
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  Speaker 3: top cheese. You need to find a way to at least, um,
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  Speaker 3: give yourself an opportunity for a rebound, do something. And
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  Speaker 3: just through the last two games, it's been, it's been poor. Um,
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  Speaker 3: Nathan McKinnon has looked off in these last couple games, too,
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  Speaker 3: which is different. I mean, if there's any good that
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  Speaker 3: came from last night, the Kale McCarr setup for the
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  Speaker 3: Landis God goal in the first period was a thing
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  Speaker 3: of beauty. And whenever you get a highlight of... Kale
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  Speaker 3: just sort of weaving through traffic, making three guys miss.
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  Speaker 3: But what did he do? He put the puck on net.
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  Speaker 3: Landy's there in front because that's what he does. He
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  Speaker 3: gets the rebound and he pounds it in. That needs
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  Speaker 3: to be what sort of their MO is. And they're
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  Speaker 3: so good when they execute this properly at just creating
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  Speaker 3: a very chaotic nature to a game. where it leaves
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  Speaker 3: your opponent looking at the guys on the opposite side
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  Speaker 3: being like, dude, that's McKinnon, and that's McCarr, and that's
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  Speaker 3: Marty Natchez, and that's a number of different people that
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  Speaker 3: are dangerous, and they just are relentless. Relentless in coming
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  Speaker 3: after us. Once again, you get a couple of late goals,
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  Speaker 3: but it's too little too late. And you just leave
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  Speaker 3: way too much on the table. Like, it just feels
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  Speaker 3: like when the Avs have played, especially the last couple
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  Speaker 3: of games, there's been way too much meat on the bone.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I liked, it's not been like this all year.
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  Speaker 3: It's just basically on this road trip and then a
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  Speaker 3: little bit against Pittsburgh that they were able to come
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  Speaker 3: back from.
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  Speaker 2: Like, they had a decent start to the year.
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  Speaker 3: The back-to-back games that they played against Dallas where they
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  Speaker 3: took three or four points I think was beautiful. tough
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  Speaker 3: games in a very chippy environment against an aggressive team
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  Speaker 3: in which you held your own, and you came away
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  Speaker 3: with three out of four points. You start the Pittsburgh game,
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  Speaker 3: you spot them too early, but because you have the
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  Speaker 3: ability to very quickly get back into a hockey game,
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  Speaker 3: it's a good thing because they don't panic. They know
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  Speaker 3: that they're talented enough to push through and get hot
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  Speaker 3: in a hurry. But I think the last couple of
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  Speaker 3: games against Philly and against New Jersey kind of showed you,
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  Speaker 3: you can't live that way. And they just feel, and
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  Speaker 3: I said this, you know, after the Penguins game, I
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  Speaker 3: said it after the Flyers game, they just feel like
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  Speaker 3: a team that sometimes just needs a kick in the
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  Speaker 3: pants at the beginning to really get into it.
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  Speaker 2: And last night it took way too long.
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  Speaker 3: Even if that's what sort of their MO is, is, Hey, I, I,
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  Speaker 3: I need to get punched in the mouth in order
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  Speaker 3: to start to feel the rhythm.
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  Speaker 2: Of the game.
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  Speaker 3: It took way too long for that rhythm to get there.
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  Speaker 3: Here's Jared Bednar after the game against the Devils.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we look slow, unenergetic tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Like, I didn't like any of those either of these games.
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  Speaker 4: Losing races, losing battles. Like, it starts there kind of
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  Speaker 4: for me. We waited way too long to start playing.
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  Speaker 4: They looked like they were energized and doing all the
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  Speaker 4: right things. Even tonight, I didn't think we managed to
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  Speaker 4: talk very well, but it was more than that. I
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  Speaker 4: think we started playing in the third period and Matt
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  Speaker 4: didn't check the sheet, but I'm guessing we had more
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  Speaker 4: shots in the third period than we had the rest
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  Speaker 4: of the game combined.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 3: It just takes them way too long to get into
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  Speaker 3: a game. And in some form or fashion, it's similar
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  Speaker 3: to like the Broncos discussion that we have, at least offensively,
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  Speaker 3: which is you can't constantly wait until like the fourth
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  Speaker 3: quarter to make something happen. You can make life a
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  Speaker 3: lot easier on yourself if you get something going earlier.
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  Speaker 3: And to be honest, the Avs, The main difference here
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  Speaker 3: between them and the offensive analogy for the Broncos I
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  Speaker 3: just made, you have to be way too damn talented
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  Speaker 3: to do that. They are capable of bailing themselves out
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  Speaker 3: of that, but why put yourself in a hole to
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  Speaker 3: start with? And I think that's where you kind of
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  Speaker 3: look at your top guys on the team and you say,
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  Speaker 3: all right, Well, you guys need to show up earlier.
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  Speaker 2: Set the tone.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Nate's got 16 points through these first 10
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  Speaker 3: games of the year, including six goals, but he's been
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  Speaker 3: held over in the point category both games of this
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  Speaker 3: road trip and three of his last four going back
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  Speaker 3: to the second Dallas game. Just been a lot more
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  Speaker 3: quiet than usual. Now, not for, I think.
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  Speaker 3: A lack of effort. He's put pucks on net. He's
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  Speaker 3: been close. He's firing off one timers. He's doing this
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  Speaker 3: and that, but it starts with your top guys. If
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  Speaker 3: your top guys aren't rolling at the beginning of the game, it's,
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  Speaker 3: you shouldn't be relying on your third line to try
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  Speaker 3: and get yourself, uh, in a position to find your
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  Speaker 3: rhythm and confidence. So three Oh three, five Oh four
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  Speaker 3: Oh nine to five. A texture says, um, When is
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  Speaker 3: LOC back? I believe Mosier said that he's eligible to return.
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  Speaker 2: Is it the Tampa game or the Nashville game?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's one of the games either Friday or Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: Because I can't remember how the retroactive long-term IR thing
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  Speaker 3: works and when that exactly started. But I think it's
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  Speaker 3: one of the games this weekend. Mosier will have the answer. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Mojo is on the show, I think
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  Speaker 3: he got it in like four o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see, but I believe it's one of those.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, they're just, they're playing a little bit too
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  Speaker 3: easy and like it's early in the year. I am,
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  Speaker 3: Not even remotely panicked about any sort of play that
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  Speaker 3: I've seen. You know, the thing that would have kind
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  Speaker 3: of freaked me out is if they were 5-5 and
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  Speaker 3: a reason for it was goaltending wasn't up to snuff. Like,
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  Speaker 3: that would feel different. But I'm not going to panic
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  Speaker 3: because McKinnon and Lekkonen and Natchez and McCarr and Taves
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  Speaker 3: and you keep going through the list. Because those guys
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  Speaker 3: had a couple subpar games consecutively.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll get that figured out.
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  Speaker 3: All I'm saying is it just feels like you play
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  Speaker 3: with your food and your food can bite you.
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  Speaker 2: Too cute. We talked about this yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: The idea that you're passing up a good shot, trying
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  Speaker 3: to get a great shot, but sometimes it's too difficult
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  Speaker 3: to to try and make the perfect play. Just take
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  Speaker 3: the good one. You know, it's passing up the wide
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  Speaker 3: open layup on a fast break to kick it out
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  Speaker 3: to a corner three. Could you do that? Yes, but
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  Speaker 3: you have a guaranteed two points out of you. In
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  Speaker 3: the case of the Avs, if it's you and the
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  Speaker 3: goalie in front of you with no traffic, put the
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  Speaker 3: puck on the net. Either the puck goes in or
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  Speaker 3: you got a chance at a rebound or the guy
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  Speaker 3: makes a save. That's better than the alternative of, I
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  Speaker 3: can try and squeeze this pass through traffic for the
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  Speaker 3: perfect play, but it hits four sticks on the way there.
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  Speaker 3: So again, tough couple of games in this roadie. Now
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  Speaker 3: they get to go back home. They take on Tampa
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  Speaker 3: Friday night, and I believe that's the game that Logan
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  Speaker 3: O'Connor will be back. Maybe when that happens, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it was explained that by Bednar sort of this 11
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  Speaker 3: and seven setup is due to some cap restrictive stuff
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  Speaker 3: where they have guys who are out of the lineup,
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  Speaker 3: but not on IR. So it's like Svechkov returned to
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  Speaker 3: the lineup last night. They're still waiting for Nick Waugh
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  Speaker 3: to get back in. And now with Logan O'Connor coming back,
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  Speaker 3: maybe you see something a little bit more traditional than
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  Speaker 3: they've ran with over the last few games. And still
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  Speaker 3: not an excuse. I mean, these two teams, New Jersey's okay.
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  Speaker 3: Philly was playing awful to start the year, although I
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  Speaker 3: don't think they're an awful team. They were starting awful.
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  Speaker 3: You just got to play better than these last two.
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  Speaker 3: And it hasn't happened. And the funny thing is, it
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  Speaker 3: hasn't happened, despite the fact that I think he got
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  Speaker 3: decent goaltending in the last couple of games, which is
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  Speaker 3: a bummer.
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  Speaker 2: If you missed Jared Bednar....
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  Speaker 3: This morning, it's because he's going to join us tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: They got in late last night, so Bednar, who typically
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  Speaker 3: joins us on Wednesdays at 8 o'clock, we're going to
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  Speaker 3: push that to tomorrow at 8 o'clock. You can hear
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  Speaker 3: his thoughts on the road trip and what's ahead for
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  Speaker 3: the Avs. It's all powered by Mr. Ruder Plumbing, proudly
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  Speaker 3: rooting for Colorado's hockey team. So, again, Jared.
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  Speaker 2: Bednar will join us tomorrow as opposed to today.
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  Speaker 3: So, a lot of thoughts I have, and I didn't
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  Speaker 3: exercise on some rumors going around about Jonathan Taylor. And
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  Speaker 3: I just wondered, just for the sake of argument, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even think that the Colts are going to
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  Speaker 2: be willing to give him up.
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  Speaker 3: But for the hypothetical of discussing it, I ran through
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  Speaker 3: some things on why it could make sense outside of
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  Speaker 3: just like, of course, he would help your running back room,
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  Speaker 3: what the ramifications would be. And maybe it's not all
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  Speaker 3: that bad. So we'll get to that a little bit later.
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  Speaker 3: But NFL Stock Up, Stock Down is next. We do
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  Speaker 3: it every week following the NFL weekend. It is NFL
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  Speaker 3: Stock Up, Stock Down. We always start with the quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 3: Nelly Stock Up. This guy has a team with a
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  Speaker 3: bad record, but I can't tell you how impressed I
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  Speaker 3: was with the way that CJ Stroud has been playing
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  Speaker 3: this year. It's been all season, but especially highlighted in
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  Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks. And I think he put
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  Speaker 3: on his best display Sunday morning against.
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  Speaker 2: Jacksonville in London. It was a 34-31 win.
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  Speaker 3: It was 24-34 for 312 yards, three touchdowns, one pick.
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  Speaker 3: But the ball placement that he has been pinpointing this
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  Speaker 3: year is something I thought he didn't have in his
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  Speaker 3: system anymore. Remember, a guy that jumped out of the
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  Speaker 3: gates his rookie year, everybody thought that he was going
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  Speaker 3: to be that next gigantic sort of player within the
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  Speaker 3: NFL ranks, the next great quarterback to come up. And
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  Speaker 3: each subsequent year, it felt like he regressed and regressed.
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  Speaker 3: And then this year, the Houston Texans might have their
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  Speaker 3: worst overall team, but he's playing maybe his best football
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  Speaker 3: of his career. He's had three 300-yard games this season,
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  Speaker 3: three of them. He's already at 1,700 yards on the season.
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  Speaker 3: Just for reference, all of last year, he had one
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  Speaker 3: 300-yard performance.
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  Speaker 2: A single one.
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  Speaker 3: He's got nine touchdowns and one pick on the season. Look,
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  Speaker 3: the Houston Texans, they aren't good right now, but the
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  Speaker 3: Houston Texans, I could very easily see if their defense
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  Speaker 3: gets somewhat back to normal. They can rattle off a
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  Speaker 3: lot of wins in a hurry and then be all
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  Speaker 3: of a sudden a threat again in the AFC playoff picture,
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  Speaker 3: but especially in their division. They got a really good
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  Speaker 3: division against Jacksonville or a division leader against Jacksonville, but
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  Speaker 3: they just won against them. That would help if you
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  Speaker 3: go on a little bit of a run and then
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  Speaker 3: you start talking about tiebreakers and who's this and who's that. Like,
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  Speaker 3: I just think CJ Stratton, if he continues to play
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  Speaker 3: this way, they're going to continue to win football games.
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  Speaker 3: And after an 0-4 start to the season... Maybe they
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  Speaker 3: can be one of the rare 0-4 teams that makes
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  Speaker 3: it interesting at the end of the year. They've dug
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  Speaker 3: themselves a really deep hole, but I don't think it's
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  Speaker 3: because of him. And I think it's a huge credit
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  Speaker 3: to C.J. Stroud that there seems to be a glimmer
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  Speaker 3: of hope for their season after starting 0-4.
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  Speaker 2: So he gets the stock up. Let's go quarterback stock down.
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  Speaker 3: In the much opposite vein, this is a quarterback who
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  Speaker 3: plays for a winning football team.
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  Speaker 2: But there are some obvious problems.
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  Speaker 3: And for the first time, I think it's the first
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  Speaker 3: time this year, I'm putting Bo Nix on this list.
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  Speaker 3: You finished a game that you won 17-14 in overtime
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  Speaker 3: against the Seattle Seahawks, the defending Super Bowl champions. But
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  Speaker 3: in that game, he was 17-27 for 107 yards. 27 attempts,
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  Speaker 3: 107 passing yards. The previous week, against the Chargers, in
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  Speaker 3: another win, 27 attempts for 123 passing yards. They're just
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  Speaker 3: as something that's not clicking. And I think with Bo Nix,
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  Speaker 3: it's rare to see the criticism, especially on national broadcasts,
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  Speaker 3: about a quarterback who is 4-2 against the onslaught of
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  Speaker 3: opponents that he's faced the first six weeks of the season.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about this ad nauseum, basically from week one on.
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  Speaker 3: But the hope here is... This is as bad as
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  Speaker 3: he can play. Like, this is absolutely the bottom of
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  Speaker 3: the barrel. If we are talking about Bo Nix being
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  Speaker 3: maybe a high floor, low ceiling guy, he's on the floor.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't get worse than this, and you're still winning
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  Speaker 3: football games, which means if he brings his level of
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  Speaker 3: play up even remotely moving forward, this team is going
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  Speaker 3: to look like a monster. So despite him getting the
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  Speaker 3: stock down category, it's not a stock down like, all right,
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  Speaker 3: this guy's never going to play in the NFL again.
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  Speaker 3: It is a stock down in that it's the worst
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  Speaker 3: he could possibly play, and they're still winning, which leaves
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  Speaker 3: infinite room for growth.
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  Speaker 2: So he gets a stock down. Let's go non-quarterback stock up.
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  Speaker 3: So one of the guys I was thinking about putting
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  Speaker 3: in that quarterback category was Jordan Love. But a big
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  Speaker 3: reason for that is he's got two wide receivers right
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  Speaker 3: now on that team that are balling out. Now Christian
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  Speaker 3: Watson is playing at one of the highest levels at
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  Speaker 3: wide receiver in the NFL this season.
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  Speaker 2: But don't underrate.
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  Speaker 3: Their number two option, Matthew Golden, who they spent a
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  Speaker 3: first-round pick on last.
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  Speaker 2: Year, 23rd overall, didn't have a great season.
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  Speaker 3: He finished his rookie year with 29 catches for 361
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  Speaker 3: yards and no touchdowns in 14 games played. That's not great.
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  Speaker 3: But to start this year, he's already got more catches,
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  Speaker 3: more yards, and more touchdowns than he did in 14
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  Speaker 3: games last season. 30 catches on the year for 500
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  Speaker 3: yards and three TDs. That, if you project that out
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  Speaker 3: for the rest of the season, lines up to around
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  Speaker 3: like a 90-catch, 1,200, 1,300-yard season with around 10 touchdowns.
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  Speaker 2: Like, he is playing great football.
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  Speaker 3: And this last week in the win against Dallas, he
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: had six catches for 104 yards and a TD. He's
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: had over 100 yards receiving in three of his last
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: four games. He's had a touchdown in three of his
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: last four games. It looks like the young player, 5'11,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: 190 pounds, is starting to find his stride a little bit.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: And despite the Packers running game being abysmal, They're passing
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: games working, and I'm somebody where I know the talent
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: that exists with one Jordan Love. I'm not a huge
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: fan of the inconsistency of it, but he's playing great
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: football this year. And it's a huge reason why the
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Packers are part of this, you know, four-headed behemoth here
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: in the NFC North where every team feels like they
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: got a shot. to win the division, this might be
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: the rare case with how bad the NFC is that
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: one division gets four playoff teams.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm not even kidding. They might. It's crazy.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Because you look at anybody that's not a division leader
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: in the NFC, they're garbage outside the NFC North. But
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Matthew Golden's a huge reason for it, and I think
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: that Green Bay is very happy that their first-round pick
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: from last year that was... Pretty disappointing for a first-round
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: rookie wide receiver standards. Seems to have found a little
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: bit of a jump. So he gets a stock up.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Let's go non-quarterback stock down. So it's a player in
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: the same game, just on the opposite team. And Javante Williams,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: who we all know very well here in Denver in
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: his time here as a Bronco. The Broncos decided to
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: move on from Javante Williams. He signs with Dallas last year,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: and he has a phenomenal season. He averages almost five
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: yards a carry, gets 1,200 yards on the ground, and
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: 11 touchdowns. Now, this year, the touchdowns are still there.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: If you have Javante Williams on a fantasy team, I'm
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: sure you're like, oh, what's the problem? He's got seven
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: TDs this year, or whatever the number is. But Javante
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Williams has not had a 100-yard rushing game this season.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: He is averaging 3.7 yards per carry, which is the
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: exact number that he had in the last two seasons
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: with the Broncos when they decided that wasn't good enough.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: His last two games, he's ran for 41 in 45 yards.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: It just doesn't look like the same sort of dude
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: from the year previous. And I don't know the reasoning
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: for it. Maybe the Dallas offensive line has taken a
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: little bit of a hit year over year. Maybe it's
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: the ineffectiveness of the passing game, the surprising ineffectiveness. When
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: you have CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens and Dak Prescott
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: and Jake Ferguson.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: They aren't throwing the ball very well.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: And this feels very much like a team that throws
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: to set up the pass. And Javante Williams took full
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: advantage of that last year. But through six games, he's
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: got 317 yards.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Not great. Again, project that out to a full season.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: It's less than 1,000 yards.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: And at 3.7 yards per carry, it's just, if you
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: don't see my way of looking at running backs, the
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Mendoza line for them in football is about, you got
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: to have a four in that yards per carry average.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: If you do that, at least you're doing okay. You
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: get up to four and a half, you're having a
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: really good season. You get up to five, you're one
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: of the best in the league. He's at 3.7. I
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: just don't think that's good enough. And if the Cowboys
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: offense wants to get better... then it's going to have
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: to do with a lot of things on the ground
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: right now because the passing game's not working and Javante's
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: got to be more productive. So he gets the stock down.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Let's go NFL team stock up. I think this is
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: the first time I've ever done it. The first time
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I've had a quarterback in the stock down category, but
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: a team in the stock up category. And it is
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: the Denver Broncos. You finished a six week stretch. against
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: a murderer's row of opponents, the who's who of Super
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Bowl favorites, and you're 4-2 through those six games, that
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: is an insane compliment to a team that's been able
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: to do that despite the fact they've gotten little to
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: no offense in those six weeks, which I'll reiterate something.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: It only says to me, if the offense gets slightly
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: better than one of the worst units in the NFL,
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: think about what this team could become, especially with the
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: schedule easing up. You got the Cardinals coming up this
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: weekend and a tough game against the Chiefs, but it
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: is at home and the Broncos are great at home.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Then it's Panthers, Raiders, Steelers, Dolphins, Jets, Raiders. Like you
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: got a stretch of games in which you can rattle
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: off a bunch of W's in a hurry. And I
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: think that stretch can also provide a sort of on-ramp
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: to an offense that's struggling confidence-wise, maybe to find that
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: and do something more with it. The Broncos are an
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: incredibly good football team with, for my money, it's either
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: them or the Vikings for the best defense in the league.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: But the big difference now with the Broncos' defense is
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: the fact that they are in the takeaway category virtually
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: every week helps even more to the idea that the
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: offense is struggling as much as they are. If they
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: just get slightly better offensively, if they can find a
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: little bit of a running game, if Bo Nix can,
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: instead of throwing for 107 yards, throw for 220. I
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: really think that's all you need. to start winning games
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: by 14 points and to do that very consistently and
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: have teams looking at the Broncos entirely differently as, yeah,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: that's a pretty good team to, oh, they are in
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: the San Francisco 49er category of chance to make the
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: So they get the stock up. Let's go team stock down.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Again, going back to what we were just talking about
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: with Javante Williams. I think it's the Cowboys. Now the
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Cowboys have one thing going for them. They play in
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: a division that is worse than the NFC South somehow.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I don't even know it's possible.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: But the NFC East has not won a football game
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: over the last two weeks. Not a single team out
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: of the four has won in two weeks. It's like
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: the first time that's happened since the early 80s. But
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: the Cowboys get the stock down for a number of reasons.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: They've had an issue. They've been able to score, but
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: they can't stop anybody. So they go out, they make
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: these trades. They get Joey Porter Jr. They revamped their
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: defensive line this offseason. They already traded for Kenny Clark
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: last year. Well, now you go out, you get a
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Rashawn Gary. You go out, you get a Quinn Williams.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: They have added as much as humanly possible to that defense.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: And guess what? It's worked. It's worked. It's worked. The
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: last two weeks since acquiring Joey Porter Jr.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: they've given up 24 and 23 points.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Is that great?
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: No. But considering where they were, pretty good. The difference
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: is the offense can't score now. They've put up only
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: 29 points in the last two weeks and they've done it. Against, yes,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: the Packers is going to be tough, but still, you
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: expect more than 13 points, even with that game being
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: at Lambeau. The fact that they lost the previous week
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: to the Bucs at home 24-16 is really alarming. I
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: think they'll be able to be bailed out because of
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: how bad their division is, but it doesn't change the
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: fact that the Cowboys are a really bad football team.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: And if they existed in literally, I think, any other division.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: You're probably looking at Brian Schottenheimer at the end of
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the year being like, all right, well, who's going to
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: be the new head coach? But they got a shot
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: now because of Jalen Hurts being out for the season,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: because the Washington Commanders are a mess, and because the
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Giants are on their third quarterback of the season already,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: that somebody's going to win that bad division with maybe
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: a sub-500 record, and it could be the Cowboys. It's
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: their only saving grace. But for the moment, they still
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: get the stock down. Let's go MVP stock up. after
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: an absolutely miserable start to the season, miserable first three weeks,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Drake May has now looked like the guy that he's
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: looked like all of last season. In the last three weeks,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Drake May has thrown for 10 touchdowns in one pick.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Now flip that with the first three weeks where he
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: threw for one touchdown in six picks. But I think
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: we can all see it. Drake May in the last
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: three weeks looks comfortable. He looks like the exact kind
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: of guy that was in the MVP discussion for last year.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: And I think you're able to ignore the first three
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: weeks of the season if he plays this caliber of
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: football moving forward.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Have they beaten great opponents over the last three weeks?
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: No. I mean, they had the big one in Buffalo
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: in which they won 29-26. Then they beat Vegas 45-17.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: But Vegas looks like a pretty damn good football team.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: And then they beat the Jets 26-19. Say what you
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: want about the Jets. It's a team that plays hard
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: and plays some pretty decent defense. But 10 touchdowns to
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: one pick over the last three weeks.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: He's averaging about 300 yards per game in that stretch.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: And he's completing around.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: 65, 64% of his passes in that stretch. Like, he's
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: just been so much better than what you saw early
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: in the season. And I think it leaves hopes for
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: guys that are maybe struggling out of the gates this year,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: particularly Bo Nix, saying, okay, it can start bad.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Start bad.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: But....
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: You can finish or I guess turn things around in
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: a hurry. So Drake May, he gets the stock up.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Let's go MVP stock down.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a weird thing to say, but
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: you've got to hear me out. I think the stock
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: down is Patrick Mahomes, and here's why. He's not playing poorly.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: He's playing fine. Are his numbers amazing?
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: No.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: He's got 1,300 yards this year. That's 17th in the NFL.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: He's got nine touchdowns. That's tied for 13th in the NFL.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: He's only got three picks. Nothing crazy. The reason why
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes gets the stock down is because it's one
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: of those things– A teammate's going to overshadow you. And
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I think that Kenneth Walker has made such a statement
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: since coming over to the Chiefs, and he's been such
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: a high-caliber player in that MVP discussion that he would
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: take votes away from Patrick Mahomes.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: If you had to vote right now, vote right now
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: on MVP.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Would you give that to Mahomes, or would you give
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: that to Kenneth Walker if you had to choose somebody
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: from the Chiefs? To me, it's not even a discussion.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: That is Kenneth Walker all day and all night. And
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: if you're taking votes away from your teammate, you're on
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: the wrong side of it. So Mahomes, he gets the
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: MVP stock down. Let's go to best game of the week. Nelly,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: best game of the week.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes!
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Thank you. There's two options. Yeah, thank you. there's two
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: options I had for this one.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: I thought Bills and Raiders was a great game, but honestly,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: best game of the week was the one that happened
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: if you got up early enough. I thought Texas and
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Jags was amazing, and it's hard to put a London
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: game in that discussion because those are usually awful, but
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: think about what you had. It was a 34-31 game
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: that was field goals being traded in the final seconds.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: It was Travis Hunter catching touchdowns and interceptions. It was
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: great quarterback play from both Trevor Lawrence and CJ Stroud.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, the game had a little bit of everything.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: And it was close and down to the wire basically
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: every single second. Just two heavyweights kind of trading back
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: and forth. It was an awesome game. That's the best
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: game of the week. Let's go to the worst game
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: of the week. No!
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: God, please, no!
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I got to stop doing this. So I'm going to
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: mention this and then pick something else. It's Chargers and Chiefs.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: But I can't keep putting the Chargers in this category.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Okay? I can't keep doing it. It's like some sort
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: of cheat code that I'm not going to do anymore.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: So just acknowledge that every week when we do this,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say whoever played the Chargers is the
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: worst game of the week.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: But also, the real worst game of the week here
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: was Ravens and Browns. It was terrible.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: It was Tyler Huntley against Deshaun Watson, and it was...
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: One team had 235 yards of offense. The other one
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: had 237. They couldn't throw the ball. It was four
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: yards per play. Yeah, the Browns win last second, 13-10.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Who cares? Super boring game. Hated it.
• 32:27
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• 33:01
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• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 33:07
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• 33:10
  Speaker 3: All right, the NBA opened up their season yesterday.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: It had a.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: 20-point fourth quarter comeback as the Pistons beat the Celtics.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: That game started at like 1 o'clock. The debut of
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: LeBron James as a sixer in the Garden against the
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: defending champion Knicks results in a win for Philly as
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: they start the year. Was very curious to see how
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: they were going to spread the love, offensively we'll call it.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: And I think, look, initially... They did a pretty good job.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: LeBron took 13 shots.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Embiid, 15.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Jalen Brown, 14. Maxie, 19. Edgecombe, 10. Anthony Simons coming
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: off the bench, 10.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: It felt like a.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Pretty even distribution, and I think that's going to be
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: the biggest hurdle for them is trying to figure out
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: what's the right ratio between to, first of all, keep
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: each guy happy, but second of all, just for the
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: best version of this team.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: What should we do?
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: It's just basketball.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: That is true. It is just basketball.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: But what bothered me more about that game was the
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Knicks put out T-shirts. As one does when you win
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: a championship, give people a little keepsake to take home
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: on the home opener the following season.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: But they were entirely confusing. It said 2026-2027.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Champions Night. But it was weird because the night in
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Champions was a different font and italicized and not as
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: bold as the Champions was, but it does look like
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: the shirt is saying that they were the champions of
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: this year and not last year, which is very weird. The.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Where they put the trophy at on the shirt was weird. Like,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: all of it just seemed wrong.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: It was basically like they went to chat GPT.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: And just put in some messy details. Said, yay, we're
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: going to crown ourselves the champions of last season tonight
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: as we start this season. Put a trophy on it,
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: get the years right, and chat GPT. Chat GPT, as
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: Vic would say.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Chat GPT. Okay, you got it. Yeah, it just, to me.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: You had an entire offseason to make some killer shirt.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: It sounds like you're proclaiming that you are going to
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: win the title this year. That's what it sounds like.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Now look, they're dealt an L. Again, I am very
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: intrigued by Philly. Philly will be one of the teams
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: that's probably in it towards the very end. They're just
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: really talented. But I always remind people, be.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Leery.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Be leery.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: Of a team that just throws it together in an
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: off season with talent, assuming that it's just going to work.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Those things take a minute.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: People understanding their roles takes a minute frustrations on the team.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: It takes a minute.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: So at a good first night, they win one Oh
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: six to 100. I think that LeBron playing a little
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: bit of center was interesting. I mean, they put him
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: on Carl Anthony towns and he did a pretty good
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: job defensively against him. Um, They are athletic enough to
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: be like multiple. But overall, Philly's going to be good
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: and they get the win.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: On opening night.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: What also is interesting is the late game. I'm watching
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: OKC in San Antonio. OKC looks exactly like OKC.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: It's Shea taking a million shots.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: He took 27 on the night last night.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: A lot of people falling down. They're really good.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: They can play 15 guys, it feels like, if they
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: want to.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: And they pretty much did. They went at least 10
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: deep last night.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: And you look at the Spurs, the biggest surprise that
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I had was Victor Wimbinyama finishes that game, guys. The
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: opener to the season. One of 13 from the floor.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: One of 13. And it's just a reminder, Oklahoma City
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: defensively is just relentless.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Wemby is 7'12, okay?
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: He is taller and lankier and can get a shot
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: off whenever he wants, wherever he wants. The fact that
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: he was held to one of 13 from the floor
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: is incredibly impressive. And it also tells me one other thing.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: I know this offseason there was a bunch of discussions
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  Speaker 3: about who's the best player in basketball.
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  Speaker 2: Is it Shea? Is it Wemby? It's still Joker. I mean,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Wimby is a freak. We all know it.
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  Speaker 3: Jokic would never have a game in which he was
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: one of 13. The only time he would ever have
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: a game in which one shot was made is if
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: he decided to shoot only two.
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  Speaker 2: And he has done that before. But one of 13
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  Speaker 2: from the floor is shocking for a guy of his stature.
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  Speaker 3: And I think he started the game, if I have
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  Speaker 3: this right, was he 0 of 12 to start and
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: made his last shot? I can't remember, but he's one
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  Speaker 3: of 13 overall in that game as OKC wins 116
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  Speaker 3: to 104. And you will see them tomorrow as we
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: continue to wait for the opener.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: To the Nuggets season. So I did some digging here.
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  Speaker 2: Just humor me for a couple of minutes. Everybody's talking
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: about Jonathan Taylor.
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  Speaker 3: And I think there is not a sane human being
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  Speaker 3: on the planet that would not agree with that Jonathan
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Taylor becoming a Denver Bronco would be a massive difference maker. Now,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know how many human beings actually think that
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor is going to be traded from the Colts.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Now, are there arguments for why they would? Sure there is.
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  Speaker 2: He's their biggest asset, and he is somebody that.
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  Speaker 3: if you're looking to recoup some draft value that you
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: lost last year because you thought you were going to
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  Speaker 3: go for it after that hot start, they go out,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: they trade for Sauce Gardner, multiple first round picks. If
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: you want to recoup your draft stuff, that's certainly a
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: way to do it. It's like him, it's I don't know,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: a Quentin Nelson maybe, maybe a DeForest Buckner, like types
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  Speaker 3: like that. The argument for why they might do it,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor, who is still incredibly productive, is going to
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: be 28 years old in January. He seems like one
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: of those backs that still has multiple years, good years left,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: but you never really know at that position. I'm actually
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: kind of shocked that he's only 27 years old. This
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: is his seventh year in the league. So he entered
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  Speaker 3: out of Wisconsin at 20. So he's still, he's somebody
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: who age wise feels like he's got more years left,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: but there's a lot of tread on the tires is
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: all I'm saying.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: But the other thing is what would it take?
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  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you right now, I don't, I'm not
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: trading first-round picks for running backs.
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  Speaker 2: Just not happening.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: I think a two with some change would absolutely be
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: something I would do. But I don't think that that
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: would be enough to get the Colts in the discussion.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Now, a texture says this.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's trade draft capital for a nearly 28-year-old running back.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Worked out really well when we traded a first for Waddle.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: He's a ticking time bomb. Running backs show no sign
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: of falling off a cliff, and he's... Wait, running backs
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: show signs of falling off a cliff, and he's at
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: that stage in his career.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Look, on the surface, I don't disagree with you.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Here's the difference. I disagree with the Waddle thing being a...
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: I'm not giving up on that. I don't think it's
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: a Waddle problem. It's a quarterback problem right now. Jalen
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Waddle is still a good wide receiver.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Here's the difference. Would I be willing to trade a
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: two for a running back?
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Why?
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Because I'm trying to win right now. Because your team's
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: good enough.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: If you get a running game in that offense, maybe
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: that helps out Bo Nix a ton to where now
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the offense starts to move the
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: football more.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: You are in the championship window right now.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: I would 1,000% be willing to give up assets to
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: add to this roster at this moment, especially if you
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: tell me it's going to be a top five running
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: back in the league.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: There is no question about it. Is there a risk
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: a year or two down the line with him? Sure
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: there is. Who cares?
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to win right now. I don't care about three,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: four years from now at the running back position. I
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: care about can I get somebody that can get me
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: four and a half yards per carry today?
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: Who cares?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Because right now your running game is one of the
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: worst in the NFL. He would certainly change that.
• 42:42
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