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Swept away in New York, how do the Orioles regroup? · Birdland Territory

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Speaker 1: Captain Obvious called to tell us that did not go well.
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Speaker 1: The O's and the Bronx was a mismatch. He O's
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Speaker 1: got dominated by the Yankees and they lose four street.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Berdland territory. Our latest show is that the
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Speaker 1: night after the final game in the Bronx twelve to one,
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Speaker 1: the Yankees wanted leaving the Oriols guys fifteen to twenty
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Speaker 1: nine out of first. Right now, they were outscored thirty
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Speaker 1: nine to ten, and they've been outscored in a five
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Speaker 1: game losing streak fifty to fifteen. Other than that, things
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Speaker 1: are great, but we yikes, what a rough stretch for
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Speaker 1: this team. And obviously the question that everybody's asking Brad
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Speaker 1: and Tim is how they go from here, how they regroup,
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Speaker 1: pick up the pieces, nay team meeting, what do they
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Speaker 1: do to try to get this thing right? The first
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Speaker 1: thing I will say on their behalf is most of
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Speaker 1: the American League is not playing great. One team is,
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Speaker 1: and they just dominated the Orioles. So maybe they move
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Speaker 1: on now to the rest and hopefully they can handle them.
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Speaker 1: They have to, guys, because what alternative do they have? Right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. Steve.
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Speaker 3: I think I think you saw the class of the
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Speaker 3: American League there, and it was a bold statement that
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Speaker 3: the Yankees are a little bit further ahead of the
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Speaker 3: Orioles are than the Orioles are right now. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: maybe just turn your attention to the wild Card and
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Speaker 3: kind of just see what's going on there, because I
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Speaker 3: think in the standings are a game and a half behind.
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Speaker 3: So really, when you look at it, nobody in the
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Speaker 3: American League is still taken off, and you kind of
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Speaker 3: just have to roll past the series and kind of
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Speaker 3: just take it as a bad stretch and not really
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Speaker 3: look too deep into it and just kind of move
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Speaker 3: past it. There's really a team meeting is not gonna help.
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Speaker 3: Kind of discussing what happened in the series isn't really
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Speaker 3: gonna help. I think maybe you can, you know, talk
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Speaker 3: about some of the positives and go from there. But
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Speaker 3: I think going down to Miami, you're gonna face a
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Speaker 3: good team down there that has good starting pitching right now.
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Speaker 3: It's not like they're going down there to face some
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Speaker 3: of these recent Miami Marlin teams. You're going down there
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Speaker 3: and facing good pitching staff. So just kind of move
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Speaker 3: past it and Hopefully that long flight last night and
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Speaker 3: the late get in this morning doesn't carry over into
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Speaker 3: this series and they kind of get rolling.
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Speaker 4: There's no way around it, guys. That was a troubling series.
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Speaker 4: You see one sided series throughout the course of any
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Speaker 4: baseball team over one hundred and sixty two games, but
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Speaker 4: this was a different level of one sided series. The
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Speaker 4: minus twenty nine run differential that Steve mentioned, thirty nine
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Speaker 4: to ten outscored, that's tied for the biggest run differential
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Speaker 4: in the history of this franchise. You have to go
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Speaker 4: back to May eleventh through the fourteenth, two thousand going
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Speaker 4: against the Red Sox and just the runners in scoring
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Speaker 4: position Orioles were four for twenty seven, Yankees were fourteen
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Speaker 4: or excuse me, eighteen for thirty.
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Speaker 5: Don't want to short change them.
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Speaker 4: It was just a rough, rough series and it's gotten
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Speaker 4: to the point where Craig Albert as I think it
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Speaker 4: was following Sunday's game, called this a crucial stretch.
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Speaker 5: You know, what team do you want to be.
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Speaker 4: Do you want to lay down or do you want
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Speaker 4: to get back up and fight? And bred I'm with
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Speaker 4: you that you can look at it, you know, in
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Speaker 4: the sense that.
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Speaker 5: Hey, the rest of the American League is going through
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Speaker 5: it right now. There's three teams right now with a
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Speaker 5: winning record in the American League.
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Speaker 4: It's unbelievable. But this Orioles team needs to stop the bleeding.
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Speaker 4: You're five games under five hundred and then you can't
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Speaker 4: continue to dig a deeper hole.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the former player of me is always gonna
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Speaker 3: be positive and try to find a silver lining because
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Speaker 3: you don't have a choice. The games continue going on
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Speaker 3: and you got to go out there and play every
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Speaker 3: single day.
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Speaker 2: The analyst and the kind of fan.
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Speaker 3: Watching this, Like I was talking with Steve before the show,
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Speaker 3: it's it's kind of the same things we've been talking
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Speaker 3: about since we started this show. The second series of
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Speaker 3: the year are still there. The starting pitching isn't pitching
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Speaker 3: up to the standard that I think we have set
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Speaker 3: for them, and it's the defense, and it's the runners
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Speaker 3: in scoring position. It's kind of the same problems we've
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Speaker 3: been seeing from the beginning and nothing has really changed
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Speaker 3: at this point. And to me, that's the kind of
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Speaker 3: glare and concerning part of do they turn this around?
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Speaker 3: And when can they turn this around? If they're going
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Speaker 3: to continue doing the same things they've been doing.
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Speaker 4: And Brad, you mentioned the fact that this isn't the
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Speaker 4: time for the closed door meeting in the clubhouse. You
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Speaker 4: played in the majors a long time at one sided
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Speaker 4: series happen at what is this clubhouse? What do you
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Speaker 4: think is going on inside of this clubhouse as they
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Speaker 4: try to regroup.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're bummed.
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Speaker 3: I think going into New York you kind of hope
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Speaker 3: to go at minimum two and two, and then going
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Speaker 3: that game last night, you're kind of hoping the salvage
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Speaker 3: by going one to three, and you kind of move
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Speaker 3: on to Miami and try to go four and three
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Speaker 3: on the road trip, but now go all the four.
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Speaker 3: It's it's definitely it was probably a pretty somber clubhouse
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Speaker 3: last night. When you lose a series like that against
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Speaker 3: the Yankees and someone in your division that badly, I
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Speaker 3: think it does sting a little bit, and there's nothing
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Speaker 3: wrong with that. But like I said, it's kind of
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Speaker 3: it's a one hundred six two game season, and I
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Speaker 3: know I've said that million times and we're not even
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Speaker 3: forty games in here, so it's you still have plenty
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Speaker 3: of time, but you just you want to see the
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Speaker 3: positives and you want to start get going and doing
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Speaker 3: the things you know you can do better. And I
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Speaker 3: think that's kind of where the players are at right now.
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Speaker 3: It's just kind of looking at themselves saying, what can
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Speaker 3: I do better to help this team win? And I
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Speaker 3: need to start it tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Over the years, cover many years covering baseball, I've always
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Speaker 1: been amazed at baseball's players' ability to quickly move on.
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Speaker 1: There have been times, guys when the Oriols have lost
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Speaker 1: seven of eight, the town is down, everybody's ripping them,
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Speaker 1: and I walk in there and I go, these guys
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Speaker 1: seem completely fine. They're ready to go because they have
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Speaker 1: that turn to pay mentality. But I do think a
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Speaker 1: season that's going south, even this early, and you, Brad,
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Speaker 1: you tell me, if I'm onto something at all here,
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Speaker 1: it can eventually start to bring those guys down. As
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Speaker 1: upbeat as baseball players are flush it move on day one,
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Speaker 1: all these things at some point it gets you. I
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Speaker 1: hope doubt is not creeping in for the Oils right now.
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Speaker 1: I doubt it is, but they have to prove it
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Speaker 1: in the record now.
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Speaker 2: No, I think you're right.
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Speaker 3: I think it's it's one of those things where you
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Speaker 3: know it's early, but the expression of baseball is it
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Speaker 3: can get early late or it can get late early,
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Speaker 3: And it's starting to creep towards that that point of
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Speaker 3: the season where, like I said, it's kind of just
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Speaker 3: the same things happening. I think they're all in good,
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Speaker 3: good places right now, but I mean you go to
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Speaker 3: Miami loose two to three, you get swept or something
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Speaker 3: like that, then it's kind of like, oh, man, like
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Speaker 3: what do we need to do to turn this around quickly?
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Speaker 3: Because you're just in that danger zone. I feel like
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Speaker 3: five games under five hundred is kind of teetering your
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Speaker 3: I feel like you can get close to ten games
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Speaker 3: under real fast. As close as you are to being
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Speaker 3: five hundred, you can be ten games under real fast
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Speaker 3: if things don't start heading in the right direction.
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Speaker 4: And what really concerns me the most, and we talked
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Speaker 4: about it a lot leading up to the start of
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Speaker 4: the season, We've talked about it during this show where
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Speaker 4: this was supposed to be the easier part of the schedule,
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Speaker 4: and the O's have played thirty five games, only six
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Speaker 4: of them have come against teams with winning records, which
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Speaker 4: is crazy to think about, you know, the Yankees and
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Speaker 4: the Pirates, and the Orioles ended up getting swept in
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Speaker 4: both of those series. And we've been saying for the
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Speaker 4: past week or so, the schedule really turns up this month.
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Speaker 4: You know, the Yankees come to town next week, you face
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Speaker 4: the Rays in two series and they're off to a
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Speaker 4: hot start. The Blue Jays are at least starting to
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Speaker 4: get back on track as they're dealing with a ton
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Speaker 4: of injuries. It doesn't get easier. It does not get
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Speaker 4: easier for this team.
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Speaker 1: No true does it. And along those lines, ten to
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Speaker 1: what you just mentioned, the Oriols have only played three
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Speaker 1: teams this year that currently standings as of today, are
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Speaker 1: five hundred or better Cleveland. You cited the Yankees and Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 1: They only won one game in those three series against
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Speaker 1: the Guardians, one in ten against five hundred or better.
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Speaker 1: Now they are five and three in series against losing teams.
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Speaker 1: So maybe that's telling us long term, some wins are
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Speaker 1: coming against lesser teams. But at some point you've got
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Speaker 1: to step up to better teams. Obviously you're going to
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Speaker 1: need to do that in October if you could make it.
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Speaker 1: And so I think that's a daunting stat for the
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Speaker 1: Oriels right now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely concerning when you I mean one in
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Speaker 3: ten and eleven games. I mean, it's just when you
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Speaker 3: when you said that out loud, I didn't realize they
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Speaker 3: didn't do as well against those teams. But one in
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Speaker 3: ten is is a stark message that is shown for
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Speaker 3: this team. And yeah, you just it's not gonna get
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Speaker 3: any easier. You're not going to face teams that are
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Speaker 3: under five hundred for the entire season. You know, teams
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Speaker 3: are gonna get going. So you just got to hope
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Speaker 3: that the Orioles are one of those teams that kind
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Speaker 3: of just get going and find their footing here and
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Speaker 3: as they head into June, just kind of see themselves
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Speaker 3: in a better spot in the standings, because right now
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Speaker 3: it's pretty bleak. And obviously I think it's kind of
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Speaker 3: ramped up because it was against the Yankees, and I
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Speaker 3: think because of the way the series went, I think
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Speaker 3: it's kind of blaring. But the loss against the Ashells
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Speaker 3: before the Yankee Series two is the same thing.
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Speaker 2: It was a drubbing.
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Speaker 3: So you're talking five games in a row now where
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Speaker 3: there really wasn't even a chance to win one of
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Speaker 3: those games. So it's it's got to get going, and
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Speaker 3: it's got to get going pretty soon here.
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Speaker 4: And I don't even think they've had a lead in
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Speaker 4: any of those five games, Brad. They didn't have a
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Speaker 4: lead in the in the Yankees series either, And it
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Speaker 4: just kind of gets back to what we've been saying,
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Speaker 4: they got to get in early leading games.
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Speaker 5: The offense has to wake up.
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Speaker 4: Over the course of the first three innings of ball games,
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Speaker 4: because heading into last night, they were last and runs scored,
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Speaker 4: and last and in batting average through the first three
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Speaker 4: innings of ball games.
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Speaker 1: The Last Sport says the Orioles, who've been playing in
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Speaker 1: Baltimore since nineteen fifty four, have never lost five straight
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Speaker 1: by five runs or more. They now have. This team
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Speaker 1: has set history they didn't want to set. Now. I'll
10:14
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago, the Nationals were nineteen and thirty
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Speaker 1: one and won the World Series. Not only did they
10:24
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, they want it. I'm not in any
10:27
Speaker 1: way saying this team is going to do that. There
10:29
Speaker 1: is precedent. You can bury yourself and you can dig
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Speaker 1: out of the hole, but the hole is getting bigger
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Speaker 1: with each loss, so the Oriols got to turn it
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Speaker 1: in fast. We'll see how it goes in Miami. We'll
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Speaker 1: So the Bird's fifteen and twenty. Now they're playing the
11:49
Speaker 1: Marlins starting tonight. They are sixteen and nineteen and man,
11:53
Speaker 1: the team was hitting with another gut punch on the
11:55
Speaker 1: injury front on Monday when it was revealed that Jordan West,
12:00
Speaker 1: who has a partial tear of his right UCL it's
12:02
Speaker 1: going to be shut down for now and reevaluated. The
12:05
Speaker 1: elbow is not responding again. He had a PRP. It
12:08
Speaker 1: hasn't fixed the problem. Fans are fearing surgery. That is
12:12
Speaker 1: not the teams take yet reevaluate and see. But it
12:17
Speaker 1: sounds not great at all.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
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Speaker 3: Whenever you see an elbow injury and it's it's getting reevaluated,
12:25
Speaker 3: it's never.
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Speaker 2: It's never a good sign.
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Speaker 3: I'm hoping I'm wrong, but history kind of tells us
12:30
Speaker 3: when you have a injury like that, you get the
12:33
Speaker 3: p RP, you start your rehab or throwing program, and
12:35
Speaker 3: then it turns into reevaluation. Usually never ends in a
12:38
Speaker 3: good spot. I hope for Jordan it does, but it
12:42
Speaker 3: just kind of reemphasizes the point that there's no there's
12:45
Speaker 3: no help on the horizon. There's no reserves coming to
12:49
Speaker 3: help out the starters that they originally had thought to.
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Speaker 2: Start the year.
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Speaker 3: It's looking more and more bleak by the day that
12:55
Speaker 3: they're going to be coming back anytime soon. So at
12:57
Speaker 3: this point, it's kind of you can look at it
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Speaker 3: two ways. I think from the player side, it's kind
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Speaker 3: of like, hey, guys, this is what we got, Like,
13:04
Speaker 3: there's no you don't have to look behind your back.
13:06
Speaker 3: Jeremi Jackson don't have to look behind his back, you know,
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Speaker 3: Blaize Alexander, the guys getting play at third base don't
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Speaker 3: have to look behind their back. They're going to be
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Speaker 3: the guys and it's gonna be up to them to
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Speaker 3: kind of ship into shape here and turn it around.
13:19
Speaker 3: And kind of there's nobody coming to help from the
13:22
Speaker 3: injured list is basically what it boils down to, and
13:25
Speaker 3: it can be a good thing when players kind of
13:27
Speaker 3: see that on the active roster they don't have to
13:29
Speaker 3: kind of look over their shoulder somebody come on behind them.
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Speaker 4: Well, first off, I just feel terrible for Jordan Westburg
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Speaker 4: the person, because it seems like a great guy, hard
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Speaker 4: worker and a heck of a baseball player. This is
13:44
Speaker 4: a former All Star, and I think the more you
13:48
Speaker 4: see this lineup without him, the more you recognize his
13:52
Speaker 4: importance and just him being such a glue guy in
13:56
Speaker 4: this lineup where you look at the offensive numbers when
13:59
Speaker 4: he he's in it as opposed to when he's out of
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Speaker 4: the lineup, and it's.
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Speaker 5: Night and day. He drives in runs.
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Speaker 4: He is a run producer, and I think, for my money,
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Speaker 4: with including all this young core, he's their most clutch
14:14
Speaker 4: player as well when you look at his numbers with
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Speaker 4: runners in scoring positions. So it's a devastating blow. I'm
14:20
Speaker 4: with you, Brad. It seems like the writing is on
14:23
Speaker 4: the wall that he's going to get Tommy John surgery.
14:27
Speaker 4: And if you think about it from Jordan Westberg's perspective,
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Speaker 4: still a young ballplayer, you might as well take a
14:33
Speaker 4: long view in terms of your career and just get
14:36
Speaker 4: it cleaned up and be ready for next year.
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Speaker 1: Well, and you're right, Tim, he is a glue, he's
14:43
Speaker 1: a clutch player, he's kind of the he's not the
14:46
Speaker 1: captain they're bigger, higher profile guys, but he's kind of
14:50
Speaker 1: like an unofficial captain, and I think there he's like
14:52
Speaker 1: their security blanket. They just feel so good when he's
14:55
Speaker 1: in there, and he's proven to be that. And he
14:58
Speaker 1: was the one prospect the opposit that have rushed, We
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Speaker 1: waited and wait, he went, is Westburg gonna get here?
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Speaker 1: And after all that time, look how it worked out.
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Speaker 1: So maybe that's a message there. They overseasoned him and
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Speaker 1: he hit the ground running, and he has told reporters
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Speaker 1: what's so disappointing is he played all those years of
15:16
Speaker 1: Mississippi State into the Miners almost no issues whatsoever, and
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Speaker 1: now in the major's constant issues, so it's hard to
15:23
Speaker 1: say his injury prone. He never has been, but all
15:25
Speaker 1: of a sudden now everything's gone wrong. So we wish
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Speaker 1: him the best. They sure need him. I want to
15:30
Speaker 1: ask you guys about the first inning last night, twelve
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Speaker 1: to one. In the end, it didn't matter, but Aaron
15:36
Speaker 1: judge for me, is in a special category when you
15:40
Speaker 1: throw a pitch that strikes him out and the umpire
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Speaker 1: missed it on the fifth pitch to judge. They didn't challenge.
15:47
Speaker 1: I think they should have challenged again. Now we've almost
15:50
Speaker 1: reached the point with these challenges that teams are so
15:52
Speaker 1: afraid to use them early. Don't want to lose one early.
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Speaker 1: But again, I think they have to have a meeting
15:57
Speaker 1: where they say, guys, it says Aaron Judge when we
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Speaker 1: strike him out. Even Alberta has said after the game
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Speaker 1: he deserved to earn his strikeout there. So do you
16:09
Speaker 1: guys think he's kind of like a special category guy
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Speaker 1: in this role?
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Speaker 3: To me, I think he's one of three hitters in
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Speaker 3: the major leagues in the first inning. If you have
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Speaker 3: a chance to strike him out, you got to take
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Speaker 3: a shot. If you think it's close, it's worth a challenge.
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Speaker 3: To me, Aaron judges in the scoring position when he's
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Speaker 3: at home plate, So if you have a chance, you
16:28
Speaker 3: can't look at him the same as you do every
16:30
Speaker 3: other player, because when he's at home plate, he has
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Speaker 3: a chance hit a ball over the fence. Every time
16:34
Speaker 3: he's up there. It just becomes fact at this point.
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Speaker 3: So to me, I feel like he's in a different
16:39
Speaker 3: category and it just seems like a good chance there.
16:43
Speaker 3: It was so close at least seemed like he wanted to.
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Speaker 3: But you just have It's like one of those things
16:47
Speaker 3: you just have to, like right away do it, and
16:50
Speaker 3: unfortunately it bit him in the butt there, and he
16:52
Speaker 3: could have got that first thing with no runs because
16:53
Speaker 3: he got the next three guys out after that. So
16:56
Speaker 3: it's you never know how the inning is gonna play out.
16:58
Speaker 3: And obviously Hinseight's twenty twenty, but personally, I think I would
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Speaker 3: have taken a shot there. And like you said, Alburnez
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Speaker 3: after the game said he wants to catchers be more aggressive.
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Speaker 3: They think it's a good pitch, they're trusting them and
17:09
Speaker 3: to go after it and try to get that strike
17:11
Speaker 3: out there.
17:12
Speaker 4: I think when it comes to these challenges and using
17:16
Speaker 4: them early on, especially in the first and inning of
17:18
Speaker 4: ball games, it's time and place. So you have to
17:22
Speaker 4: consider the circumstances that the Orioles had coming into that game.
17:26
Speaker 4: You just got beat bad the prior three nights, and
17:31
Speaker 4: you have a situation where Aaron Judge is one strike
17:34
Speaker 4: away from being out.
17:36
Speaker 5: This isn't to be one or two. This is for
17:40
Speaker 5: a strikeout.
17:42
Speaker 4: It was a one and two count at the time,
17:45
Speaker 4: and I think that's where Adley needs to use it.
17:47
Speaker 4: And it was interesting looking at the Stackcast this morning,
17:50
Speaker 4: guys ad least six for eight when challenging pitches this year.
17:54
Speaker 4: Is that's strong seventy five success rate when challenging. He's
18:00
Speaker 4: challenged zero point eight percent of challengeable pitches this year.
18:04
Speaker 4: And Statcast has what they call expected challenge rate, so
18:09
Speaker 4: how much he should be challenging. His expected challenge rate
18:13
Speaker 4: is one point nine percent, So that's a difference of
18:17
Speaker 4: negative point one percent over expected challenges. That puts Adly
18:23
Speaker 4: at the eighth worst percentage in baseball in terms of
18:27
Speaker 4: that differential. So when he's challenging, he's extremely successful. You
18:32
Speaker 4: will absolutely take the seventy five percent. But those numbers
18:36
Speaker 4: that I just gave you, that illustrates what Craig Albernas
18:40
Speaker 4: is talking about. He wants to see Adley and Samuel
18:43
Speaker 4: Bisio be more aggressive with these challenges.
18:47
Speaker 1: Interesting. So, Brad, you mentioned three guys. I'm gonna guess,
18:50
Speaker 1: so Tani could be who are your three?
18:53
Speaker 3: It's good now you put me on the spot. I
18:55
Speaker 3: think I'm still puttro out in there. I mean I
18:58
Speaker 3: I would he's he's having a great season at this point.
19:01
Speaker 3: It's just on the top of my head. I was
19:03
Speaker 3: thinking of him and there's not many other guys. Ben
19:05
Speaker 3: Rice might be in that category right now, I mean
19:09
Speaker 3: him out, So yeah, Ben right, I don't know. I
19:12
Speaker 3: think Trout's still he deserves to still be in that
19:14
Speaker 3: top top tier category.
19:16
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's had a lower sergence this year. If
19:18
Speaker 1: lad Guerrero, he could be one the only Oriols don't
19:20
Speaker 1: see Oh Tony much. But he's in that class. So yeah,
19:24
Speaker 1: there are there's a select few guys when you get
19:26
Speaker 1: a chance to strike him out. And Tim, I think
19:28
Speaker 1: you're right. I think the message to Adleie is you're
19:31
Speaker 1: having a great year, be a little more aggressive. We
19:34
Speaker 1: believe in you. If you start getting three or four
19:36
Speaker 1: in a row wrong, maybe we'll pull back the handhole
19:38
Speaker 1: a little bit.
19:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, well again, Steve, it it's time and place like
19:43
Speaker 4: if it's to get and out, and Craig Albanaz has
19:46
Speaker 4: very been very steadfast and talking about that. If it's
19:49
Speaker 4: to end and at that, that's a different category as
19:54
Speaker 4: opposed to go up one two in the count. If
19:57
Speaker 4: you can end in at that, and and especially considering
20:01
Speaker 4: the slide that the Orioles had been on heading into
20:03
Speaker 4: that game, then you throw in that it's Aaron judge,
20:07
Speaker 4: that's the time to be aggressive. You don't want to
20:09
Speaker 4: just be firing off challenges just to be firing them off.
20:13
Speaker 4: But if it fits the time and place criteria, yeah,
20:17
Speaker 4: be ready to tap the head exactly.
20:21
Speaker 1: So the Birds for loose twelve to one Monday night.
20:23
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20:25
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20:29
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Speaker 1: So a winning team needs twenty six active and probably
20:56
Speaker 1: fifty guys over the year to perform at various times.
21:00
Speaker 1: But I go back to what we talked about going
21:02
Speaker 1: into the Yankee series. We're hoping the stars would step up.
21:05
Speaker 1: They really didn't in this series outside of Alonzo five
21:08
Speaker 1: for fourteen. He had a double and two homers, but
21:11
Speaker 1: Adley was one for seventeen, Ward was one for ten,
21:14
Speaker 1: Gunner was two for thirteen. I mean, you had all
21:16
Speaker 1: that up yikes. So that's where it's got to start.
21:20
Speaker 1: I think it's great to have Jeremiah Jackson doing what
21:23
Speaker 1: he's doing, Tavaris Kobe had a little home run stretch,
21:27
Speaker 1: and you need all that too, but it's going to
21:30
Speaker 1: start with this group.
21:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right, Steve.
21:33
Speaker 3: I think all the guys on the team look up
21:35
Speaker 3: to those guys and they expect them to kind of
21:38
Speaker 3: be the leaders and just show them, show them the way,
21:41
Speaker 3: show them how it's done, be the ones that set
21:43
Speaker 3: the tone. And then when you have the other guys
21:45
Speaker 3: pitch in, that makes it even better. So I think
21:47
Speaker 3: that's that's pretty much what it boils down to, is
21:49
Speaker 3: you want your stars perform at the level you expect
21:52
Speaker 3: them to and everybody kind of follows in. When you
21:54
Speaker 3: think about this offense, if you had the you know,
21:57
Speaker 3: the guys at the top of the lineup performing to
21:59
Speaker 3: their career norms, then you're throwing Jeremi Jackson, then you're
22:02
Speaker 3: throwing Tavares what he's done.
22:04
Speaker 2: You're thrown all these guys and what they add to it.
22:07
Speaker 3: I think the record looks way different because they've had
22:09
Speaker 3: so many close games early in the season. You have
22:12
Speaker 3: those guys performing where do you expect them to or
22:14
Speaker 3: what you have come to expect from those guys. I
22:17
Speaker 3: think this record looks way different, and they set the
22:20
Speaker 3: tone and the rest of the guys kind of just
22:21
Speaker 3: follow behind and it makes their job easier.
22:24
Speaker 2: When those guys are doing what they do.
22:27
Speaker 5: It boils down to just a couple things.
22:29
Speaker 8: For me.
22:30
Speaker 4: The stars got to be stars, the guys that you
22:33
Speaker 4: were talking about. But then it gets into a season
22:35
Speaker 4: long issue where you can't beat yourself. Guys, when you're
22:40
Speaker 4: struggling as much as the Orioles are struggling right now,
22:43
Speaker 4: you can't give up unearned runs. You had the Leo
22:46
Speaker 4: di Taveres throwing error where Ben McDonald I thought that
22:49
Speaker 4: he was right, maybe Gunner Henderson could have taken a
22:51
Speaker 4: step in or two to feel that relay throw more clean.
22:57
Speaker 4: That caused the runner to go from second to third.
23:00
Speaker 4: Bellinger ends up hitting the sack fly unearned run there.
23:04
Speaker 4: There was a wild pitch by Shane Boase in the
23:06
Speaker 4: sixth inning where it really got away from them in
23:09
Speaker 4: that inning and that led to an unearned run there.
23:13
Speaker 4: You can't beat yourself when you're going through these type
23:16
Speaker 4: of struggles. You have to avoid the self inflicted wounds.
23:22
Speaker 1: So hopefully they start to get some things right here
23:25
Speaker 1: in Miami. Then they played the Athletics at home. Then
23:28
Speaker 1: they play, oh, by the way, the Yankees again in
23:30
Speaker 1: a week, so they're coming back to Baltimore and losing
23:34
Speaker 1: to them on the home field will be worse, and
23:36
Speaker 1: losing in the Bronx although it's never good to lose
23:39
Speaker 1: to the Yankees. So they got some things to fix here.
23:43
Speaker 1: What's it like, Brad, do you think for those guys
23:45
Speaker 1: with now we're in a social media age which you
23:48
Speaker 1: saw at the end of your career, Probably not to
23:50
Speaker 1: the extent these guys do. Now the whole town is
23:54
Speaker 1: screaming for firings, change trades, do this. It's a reaction.
24:00
Speaker 1: It's a fish ball. I feel it as a media guy.
24:02
Speaker 1: I'm not even part of the team, but fans are
24:05
Speaker 1: screaming at me as if I'm on the team. And
24:07
Speaker 1: so this is and Tim, you get it on the radio.
24:10
Speaker 1: It's crazy right now, and amidst that they have to
24:15
Speaker 1: try to win.
24:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, the biggest advice is get off of social media,
24:20
Speaker 3: like it's not gonna help anything that's going on right now.
24:23
Speaker 3: You're gonna hear a lot of opinions from a lot
24:25
Speaker 3: of people that don't really understand what's going on in
24:27
Speaker 3: the inner workings of the team. And at the end
24:30
Speaker 3: of the day, it's not going to help your mental
24:32
Speaker 3: well being. It's not going to help you perform better
24:34
Speaker 3: on the field. I mean I would drag myself into
24:37
Speaker 3: it sometimes too, after bad Adams going there and look
24:39
Speaker 3: at some of the comments and it's like, why why
24:41
Speaker 3: would I do that to myself? Why would I put
24:43
Speaker 3: myself through that. It's just it's on your phone. You
24:46
Speaker 3: have a lot of downtime, and it's just kind of
24:47
Speaker 3: one of those things that just kind of pops up
24:49
Speaker 3: and all, let me check it out. But like, it's
24:51
Speaker 3: not going to do any good. It's not going to
24:53
Speaker 3: help you. I mean, the guys that are in that
24:56
Speaker 3: clubhouse all have your back, the coaching staff all have
24:58
Speaker 3: your back. You want to talk to somebody about your
25:00
Speaker 3: performance or whatever, go talk to those guys.
25:02
Speaker 2: Hear what they have to say.
25:03
Speaker 3: They're going to give you something that will at least
25:05
Speaker 3: give you some feedback on the field. And if it
25:08
Speaker 3: could be positive, it could be negative. But either way,
25:10
Speaker 3: you're gonna get some reinforcement of what you think you
25:13
Speaker 3: might need to work on, what you need to do better.
25:15
Speaker 2: And kind of just stick to that.
25:16
Speaker 3: It's just stay with those guys in the clubhouse and
25:18
Speaker 3: kind of just keep the noise out because it's not
25:20
Speaker 3: going to help. And at this point, who knows this
25:22
Speaker 3: team could be in the World Series, Like you said,
25:24
Speaker 3: so at this point it's hearing all these negative comments
25:27
Speaker 3: or what people might have to say.
25:28
Speaker 2: It's just not going to do anything good.
25:30
Speaker 3: And it's kind of just stay off it and just
25:31
Speaker 3: put your head down and go out there and play.
25:33
Speaker 4: Every day rad Steve brings up the radio side of it,
25:37
Speaker 4: and Steve's been.
25:38
Speaker 5: Doing it for a while.
25:38
Speaker 4: Steve has gotten his fair share of crazy callers after games,
25:42
Speaker 4: and obviously we're taking calls on the show yesterday, and
25:46
Speaker 4: of course it's people all this team needs a wake
25:49
Speaker 4: up call, they need a kick in the butt, something
25:52
Speaker 4: like DFA, this guy, send.
25:54
Speaker 5: Down this guy.
25:55
Speaker 4: And I just wonder, as a former player, like is
26:01
Speaker 4: that a wake up call?
26:02
Speaker 5: Is that something that is overblown?
26:05
Speaker 4: Is there even an instance throughout your career that you
26:09
Speaker 4: can think of where, oh man, this guy gets sent down?
26:11
Speaker 5: I really get a step. Yeah, I think is that
26:17
Speaker 5: a thing at all?
26:19
Speaker 3: Honestly, I when you send me that Texas morning to
26:22
Speaker 3: kind of think about it, there's not a single move
26:24
Speaker 3: I can remember that kind of like send a shockwave
26:27
Speaker 3: through the clubhouse. And was like, man, I that was like,
26:30
Speaker 3: that's a big time wake up call kind of thing.
26:32
Speaker 3: I mean throughout the season, guys are dfad obviously it's
26:34
Speaker 3: sent down, And I said, it's it's kind of one
26:37
Speaker 3: of those things where us in the bullpen we kind
26:40
Speaker 3: of pay attention more to it, I think than even
26:42
Speaker 3: the position players or other guys on the team because
26:45
Speaker 3: it's usually one of us that are getting sent down
26:47
Speaker 3: or dfaid or something like that. So a lot of
26:50
Speaker 3: times when a move is made, it's this is gonna
26:53
Speaker 3: sound weird to have them saying it, But half the
26:56
Speaker 3: team might not even realize it until the game starts
26:58
Speaker 3: because everybody's so into like doing their own work, what's
27:01
Speaker 3: going on. Unless it's one of your like really good
27:03
Speaker 3: buddies on the team, you're not really gonna be affected
27:06
Speaker 3: by it or know that it's even happening until the
27:08
Speaker 3: game starts and you kind of look down the bench
27:11
Speaker 3: and see this guy and it's like, yeah, well, he
27:13
Speaker 3: got sent out or he got dfa'ed. So I understand
27:16
Speaker 3: what the fans are saying when they talk about that.
27:17
Speaker 3: It's kind of, you know, they need a wake up call,
27:20
Speaker 3: they need this, they need that.
27:21
Speaker 2: But it's I just want to know where who would
27:24
Speaker 2: you send down or who would you call up.
27:26
Speaker 3: Or what move would you make that would send a
27:30
Speaker 3: shockwave but not hurt the team out on the field.
27:32
Speaker 2: So it's it's kind of one of those things.
27:34
Speaker 3: Like I said, I understand where the fans are coming from,
27:36
Speaker 3: but it's not really going to do much in the clubhouse.
27:38
Speaker 3: These guys are locked in on what they're doing every day,
27:40
Speaker 3: and they're so focused on their work that half the
27:42
Speaker 3: time they might not even know that this shockwave of
27:45
Speaker 3: a move was made.
27:46
Speaker 5: And that was my rebuttal right, where, Okay, you want
27:50
Speaker 5: to send so and so down, you want to DFA, Well,
27:52
Speaker 5: who are you bringing up?
27:54
Speaker 9: Like just doing that just to do it, and it's
27:58
Speaker 9: a detriment to the team, and what are you really
28:01
Speaker 9: sending you know, Like like I get it, I get
28:04
Speaker 9: the frustration, and and you know, we're frustrated watching it.
28:07
Speaker 4: But you know what, I'm sure the guys at the
28:09
Speaker 4: clubhouse are twenty times more frustrated than any of the
28:13
Speaker 4: fans or we are. Like they get it, they're living it,
28:16
Speaker 4: you know, we're just watching it.
28:18
Speaker 9: And I think it's just important to kind of refocus
28:22
Speaker 9: in that way.
28:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think also too.
28:25
Speaker 3: I think a lot of fans want to see a reaction,
28:27
Speaker 3: but it can go both ways, you know, Like you
28:30
Speaker 3: see a frustrated reaction, it's like, always got to keep
28:32
Speaker 3: a level head. You don't show a reaction. I want
28:34
Speaker 3: to see fire from this guy. So it's like, it's
28:36
Speaker 3: just like this thing you can't win, and really you
28:39
Speaker 3: want to have everybody. It's such a long season. We've
28:41
Speaker 3: talked about a billion times, but it's such a long season.
28:44
Speaker 3: You have to keep a level head. I know you
28:46
Speaker 3: want to see you guys frustrated. I know you want
28:47
Speaker 3: to see guys mad. I can tell you from experience.
28:50
Speaker 3: These guys are frustrated. They're mad, they're upset, they're not
28:53
Speaker 3: happy with their performance. I've been there before more times
28:57
Speaker 3: than I like to admit. But at the end of
28:58
Speaker 3: the day, you have to come to the field the
29:00
Speaker 3: next day as levelheaded as possible and ready to win
29:03
Speaker 3: that day's game. That's really all you can do. That's
29:05
Speaker 3: all you can control. At this point, the four game
29:08
Speaker 3: series is gone. Yes, they got their butts kicked. Every
29:11
Speaker 3: single guy in that team knows they got their busts kicked.
29:13
Speaker 3: But today, you know what, it's a brand new game.
29:16
Speaker 3: You have to go out there and when the ball
29:18
Speaker 3: or especially in the bullpen like for Mian since what
29:21
Speaker 3: your name is called, you have to be ready and
29:23
Speaker 3: if you have a lead, you have to keep the lead.
29:25
Speaker 3: If you go out there in a blowout, keep the
29:27
Speaker 3: game where it's at. It's just kind of what it
29:29
Speaker 3: is on a daily basis, and that's really the true
29:32
Speaker 3: grind of playing at the major league level is every
29:34
Speaker 3: day your zero and zero, your ERA zero. You have
29:38
Speaker 3: to go out there and kind of keep that mentality
29:39
Speaker 3: the whole season. If you don't, you find yourself way
29:42
Speaker 3: behind the eight ball, and next thing you know, you
29:44
Speaker 3: look up at the scoreboard and you're like, man, I
29:45
Speaker 3: have a thirteen year ra man I'm hitting one fifty
29:48
Speaker 3: and he just can never. You just can't play baseball
29:51
Speaker 3: that way. It's I know what the fans want to see,
29:53
Speaker 3: but it's just really hard to play a six month
29:56
Speaker 3: season that way.
29:58
Speaker 1: And I will add this, the shockwave move was firing
30:02
Speaker 1: Brandon Hyde last matter. The team got a little better
30:06
Speaker 1: and finished well short of the playoffs, and they're still floundering.
30:09
Speaker 1: Did it work. It really hasn't to this point. Doesn't
30:12
Speaker 1: mean it won't. But Brandon Hide did a pretty arm
30:15
Speaker 1: good job and that clubhouse was stunned because they really
30:19
Speaker 1: liked and respected him, and they realized they helped get
30:21
Speaker 1: him fired and they couldn't get him back. So that
30:24
Speaker 1: was the shockwave move. Doesn't always work, but something needs
30:28
Speaker 1: to work for the Orioles. We're all in agreement on that.
30:30
Speaker 1: We just don't have answers and they don't either. Right
30:32
Speaker 1: now doesn't mean a week from now when we're taping
30:35
Speaker 1: the show, the outlook might be very different, let's hope.
30:39
Speaker 1: So it'll be more fun to talk about another Birdland territory,
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