Latest / The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast / #174: Gill1918 Presents Mechelle Freeman "Part 1 Women in Leadership"
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- 0:23Now let's get into today's topic.
- 0:25We are. Closing tonight with a speaker
- 0:30who embodies excellence, impact and empowerment at the highest
- 0:34level. It is an absolute honor to
- 0:36welcome Michelle Lewis Freeman not only as our final Women for
- 0:40Women, Women Speaker of the Night, but also as a Women for
- 0:44Women clinician and the Sprint's clinician for the 2026 clinic.
- 0:48So definitely check out their sessions tomorrow.
- 0:51Michelle is a 2008 Olympian and a World Champion, a cornerstone
- 0:55of Team USA's women's relay success and one of the most
- 0:59respected relay strategists in the world.
- 1:02As a Team USA Women's Relay coach at the Olympic Games and
- 1:05World Championships, she has helped guide athletes to gold
- 1:09medals and historic performances on the global stage.
- 1:13Beyond the medals of podiums, Michelle's impact runs even
- 1:17deeper. As the NSAF Nike Program
- 1:21Director and the founder of Track Girls, a nonprofit
- 1:24dedicated to mentoring and empowering girls through track
- 1:27and field, she is committed her career to developing not just
- 1:31faster athletes, but stronger, more confident women.
- 1:35Michelle brings together elite Sprint mechanics, championship
- 1:39level coaching, and an unwavering passion for lifting
- 1:42women in sport. Coaches will leave this session
- 1:45inspired, informed, and ready to elevate their programs.
- 1:49Before we begin, just a quick reminder.
- 1:51Please plan to stay after this session for our annual Women for
- 1:54Women through photo. We want everyone in it.
- 1:57Please join me in welcoming an Olympian, a champion, a mentor,
- 2:02and a powerful voice for women in athletics.
- 2:05Michelle. OK, intro.
- 2:14I'd like the intro. Yeah, thank you.
- 2:20But I'm going to switch it out. Or I could just hold it.
- 2:24All right. Good evening, everyone.
- 2:27How are you? All OK.
- 2:32All right, All right. Out there.
- 2:35All right. You know, it's a pleasure to be
- 2:37here. I I I I spent.
- 2:39I said I did my time, but I lived in Minnesota and coached.
- 2:44That was out of high school for four years, so I had my share of
- 2:50one lane and snow all the way around and we were still outside
- 2:55at practice and the sprinters were outside running and 27°.
- 3:02And it was not about the time, but it was about effort.
- 3:05And that is the way I coach my wise out of girls and the one
- 3:08thing I taught them how to do was how to win.
- 3:12Because if it's only one thing that I hate more, no.
- 3:17But I love more it. No.
- 3:20What is it? I don't like losing.
- 3:22How do you say that I love winning more than I hate losing?
- 3:28Thank you. So that's what I'm going to talk
- 3:32about this evening. I I started in a position where
- 3:41I was the first woman to ever do it.
- 3:44There was never a woman to lead the relay program once it began
- 3:49to have its own position. Before we had coaches, Coach
- 3:55Bonnie was on teams with me. We will have our Sprint coaches
- 3:59handle the relays, but we started to pull the relay coach
- 4:03position out of our national teams so we can lead with
- 4:07independence. It's the one event where it's
- 4:11subjective selection. Everything else, you cross the
- 4:15line, you make the team. The relays is a little
- 4:18different. So the athletes that you see on
- 4:21the track, there were more athletes that work on the track.
- 4:26And that was my job. How did I put the best athletes
- 4:30on the track? And so the task 2024, we had our
- 4:39meeting with the USOPC and they said, hey, the Olympic Games are
- 4:46six months from from now and the task is not just winning any
- 4:51medal, but the world is catching up.
- 4:53And in 2020, we had just won the medal count, outing China just
- 5:00by a medal. And the charge is we don't want
- 5:04it to be that close. And so the relay program is
- 5:08responsible for five medals, two women's relays, 2 men's relays,
- 5:13and now the mixed 4 by 4. And so we bring in 15% of the
- 5:19medal count, 14 USA track and field medals.
- 5:24And so they said we only want you all to win gold medals.
- 5:28So the charge was different. It wasn't make the podium, it
- 5:31was win. So I Fast forward to a pivotal
- 5:38moment because as coaches we all have been in one and you will
- 5:42all be in another 1. And I was in the warm up area
- 5:49and it was the 4x4 4 by 400 meter relay final 24 hours
- 5:57before I knew my team. I had it in my my heart, my
- 6:03mind, my soul. And that morning I announced the
- 6:08team and it was one particular athlete that did not like that
- 6:14announcement. And so she challenged me and she
- 6:18called the meeting and had representation to make sure that
- 6:22she was heard. And so we had this meeting and
- 6:27in a moment like I, I knew all the stats.
- 6:30I know them. I know my stats.
- 6:32I know I knew all my stats. I knew my reason.
- 6:36I sat down and and then my empathy started to take over my
- 6:41boundaries. And so I say that because the
- 6:46empathy should be there, but the standard is always going to be
- 6:51the boundary. And that is something that you
- 6:54can never compromise. And in that moment, I
- 6:58compromised it and I changed my mind and I said, you can run,
- 7:05you are going to run. I left that meeting and I was
- 7:11upset because I changed my mind. And in my heart and in my mind
- 7:18and in my soul, I knew my four women.
- 7:24So now I had to go to the track and it's go time.
- 7:31It's five people warming up. How much time do I have?
- 7:3823 minutes, 23 minutes till it's time to report to the check in.
- 7:44Everybody's warming up still. Am I going to really go against
- 7:48my word for the process or am I going to stand up for the
- 7:54process? Because the process was the one
- 7:58thing that I have built over the last decade to decide what was
- 8:05the best decision for the team. Anytime I went against that, we
- 8:10failed 100% of the time. So here I was, 23 minutes to go.
- 8:19Was I going to go against my my instinct, my heart, my Mama
- 8:22soul, or do I stick to what I say?
- 8:27How much time do I have left? 6 minutes, 6 minutes.
- 8:34Everybody's outside cheering, the stadium got fireworks,
- 8:39everybody's excited but me. 6 minutes is what I had to make a
- 8:50decision that I knew was going to change my life depending on
- 8:55the direction I went. And so I'm going to tell you
- 8:58over these next moments that we have together, what I built over
- 9:03the decade of being the coach, to come up with the decision
- 9:09that was necessary for that moment.
- 9:12So while this conversation matters, leadership is not just
- 9:17about position, it's about your voice, your responsibility,
- 9:22especially, you know, the action that you have to take when
- 9:25things are uncomfortable. It is the hard conversations.
- 9:30It is the truth and facing the truth.
- 9:35And there will come a time like in that moment where you're
- 9:40either going to stand up for it or not.
- 9:46So leading up to how I became the women's relays coach, my
- 9:50qualifier. So we're going to go back down
- 9:52memory lane. I was an honor student in 6th
- 9:56grades, the valedictorian of my 6th grade class.
- 10:00I was in student government. I knew about advocacy at this
- 10:04young age of 15. I have been winning
- 10:08championships at every level. You talk about summer track,
- 10:12high school club, we were winning championships.
- 10:17Middle school basketball, boys and Girls Club, soccer.
- 10:22We poured out the wins. I went to the University of
- 10:26South Carolina. We bought the first national
- 10:29championship in any sport to the university.
- 10:33Winning was in my DNA and I say that because it started off with
- 10:39my perception of what it took to win.
- 10:43And the first role model for me was my mother.
- 10:46My mother taught me from the very beginning, it is always a
- 10:50way. You have to figure it out and it
- 10:54may not be right in front of you, but just like when you get
- 10:58in a maze, you may hit a wall, you got to turn around, you may
- 11:02hit a wall, you got to turn around, but it is a way out.
- 11:06And so I'm a problem solver and my mom has always been big on
- 11:10that access, making sure that I was exposed to as many
- 11:14activities and the school systems just to make sure I can
- 11:17understand. I could do and be anything.
- 11:21So I've always been a dreamer. At the University of South
- 11:25Carolina, I studied advertising. So I was one of the top
- 11:28promising advertising students in my program.
- 11:31They flew us to New York City. I met one of the top ad
- 11:34agencies. I ended up getting my master's
- 11:37degree and decided to go work in that at that same ad agency
- 11:42because I graduated in 2002 at the University of South
- 11:45Carolina. I thought I was going to the
- 11:46Olympic Games in 2004. I was injured, so I pivot and go
- 11:51to Plan B master's degree. I still get to hang out with my
- 11:54friends at South Carolina. I moved to New York City so I
- 11:59can do my internship. At that point, it's a four year
- 12:03break. I have not touched the track in
- 12:07four years. Nothing.
- 12:12All of my teammates were making the world championship teams,
- 12:14the Olympic teams in 2004. So I was inspired and it was one
- 12:19particular coach that told me that I should try out and run
- 12:22again. So of course I have big dreams.
- 12:26I'm again the 6th grade valedictorian.
- 12:28I could do it all. I can make this Olympic team.
- 12:32I hadn't run in four years. I could quit my job and be and
- 12:37be on the Olympic team. Well, it actually happened.
- 12:42And and before that, nine months after I quit my job, I was from
- 12:46the cubicle to World Championships.
- 12:48I was in the 2007 World Championships for the 100 meters
- 12:53nine months after leaving my job after making a world
- 13:00championship team. I finished 9th in the world on
- 13:02100. I was a world champion on the 4
- 13:04by 100 meters. Started training for the Olympic
- 13:07Games. Ended up making it for the
- 13:09relays. Once I made it for the relays, I
- 13:14retired. I went back into work and back
- 13:16into marketing. Long story short, I keep talking
- 13:19about my qualifications because as women you better USOPCA A/C
- 13:25Rep. You need to know all these
- 13:27things because it comes into who you are.
- 13:30It comes into why you are a leader.
- 13:32All of these things. I'm a wife.
- 13:36I know how to, I don't want to say regulate the men they
- 13:41recorded. I know how to be a health mate
- 13:48and be a partner. London 2012.
- 13:51I went back to the Olympic Games but working with Coca-Cola on
- 13:55the sports marketing side. They had one position for a
- 13:58retired Olympian to work with their global sports marketing
- 14:02team. I applied and I was selected.
- 14:05I always thought if everything was possible the same way I did
- 14:10it when I was leading these relays, it's going to all make
- 14:12sense. I was a mom then started having
- 14:15these babies. I have two, One is 12/1 is 10
- 14:19now. So now imagine being pregnant
- 14:22and having and starting to coach and how how's this going to
- 14:25work? We'll talk about it. 2015.
- 14:29That's when I started to get into coaching.
- 14:33I didn't think I would ever be a coach.
- 14:34We'll talk about that because I know some of you didn't think
- 14:37you would be a coach. 2020 years later, here we are and I found
- 14:46it. Track girls, track girls and
- 14:48soul is my heart. Just seeing what we can do for
- 14:53the next generation. Stepped into my leadership
- 14:56journey as a coach in 2015. I was back working in marketing.
- 15:00Like I said, I got a phone call, random on a Tuesday maybe, and
- 15:05it was Sue Humphries. No, it was Sue.
- 15:10But before that, let me tell you the first phone call.
- 15:13The first phone call was from Terry coach Terry Crawford and
- 15:19she called me and she said the USA track and field, you know,
- 15:23we want our elite athletes to get coaching certifications.
- 15:27We want you to transition into coaching.
- 15:29And so I did my level ones and my level twos because, you know,
- 15:33Terry said they needed women in coaching.
- 15:35So when we talk about women for women, the doors were open for
- 15:39me by women. This is going to be a constant
- 15:42story, someone opening the door for me, lifting me up.
- 15:45Terry Crawford. She didn't have to call me and
- 15:46tell me that now I was coaching it for the four years.
- 15:52Sue calls me on a random Tuesday back there.
- 15:56Hey, we're looking for a retired Olympian to be our women's
- 16:01relays coach or assistant relays coach working with Dennis
- 16:04Mitchell. Would you be interested in
- 16:06applying? I'm like, of course, Sue, I will
- 16:13be interested. I applied.
- 16:15I got it. Two women, two women opening the
- 16:22door from me who saw me, that called me and said I think it
- 16:26should be you. It changed my life.
- 16:31I started being a assistant relays coach, but before then I
- 16:34took in all my lessons of the relay program.
- 16:39I was on the relay program for three years from 2007 through
- 16:422009. The tutelage of Brooks, Johnson
- 16:45and Orange Richburg gave me all the empowerment and tools.
- 16:50Always spoke up for women. These male allies that we just
- 16:54we were just speaking about. Thank you, you need them.
- 17:01They spoke into me all the way into Brooks past two years ago.
- 17:07The last text I got from him is lead on.
- 17:10I just looked at it before I came up here.
- 17:13Lead on. Those are the people that going
- 17:16to encourage you in those moments when you are in the warm
- 17:19up area and you have to figure out what you're going to do.
- 17:24How are you going to be consistent with what the
- 17:27foundation is of the things they told you when it was just you
- 17:33and them and how to hold up the standard?
- 17:38It was a lot of decisions that I saw the two of them make on the
- 17:41back end. My experience as the relays
- 17:45coach, assistant relays coach, it came in.
- 17:47We started working with the women from you see all these
- 17:50faces. You see these are the Olympians
- 17:52on our 20/20/14, our 2020 team. I was working with them since
- 17:57they were 16171819, all the teams.
- 18:02Tara Davis was my anchor leg on the 4 by 1.
- 18:05I didn't care if you were a long jump or a thrower.
- 18:07We needed you. You were running on the relays.
- 18:13We broke U20 records. Three years you junior records,
- 18:18these women, this, this, this group right here to the right.
- 18:22They ran. 323 in the 4 by 4 is still the world record.
- 18:29The amount of talent that I was able to come across and learn.
- 18:35I went on all these teams by myself.
- 18:37The head relays coach didn't go, he went to the senior teams.
- 18:40I went on all these junior teams on my own.
- 18:42My first senior team was Doha 2019.
- 18:46Oren was starting to empower me. He would say, Michelle, you take
- 18:49the women, I'll take the men. So I was like you by myself and
- 18:54I started to have more confidence, started to coach
- 18:57more, started to speak up more. It was Olympics 2022 weeks
- 19:03before they had told me that they, you know, I still didn't
- 19:06have a credential 2 weeks before I got the call that I had a
- 19:11credential. I was preparing like I was going
- 19:15to Tokyo the whole time. So it was no different if I
- 19:20would have got the call 2 weeks before, two months before, 2
- 19:22days before I was ready. Coach Richburg was not going to
- 19:28be traveling. So that meant that I had to be
- 19:30on the ground by myself. The first relay, the mix 4x4,
- 19:35remember, it's COVID time. Everyone goes to the track and I
- 19:39love to take the relays out to the track because you need to
- 19:42see the exact zone marks. Every track is different.
- 19:46I don't know if I'll show up, but for us, they need to see the
- 19:49mark. You need to stand right here.
- 19:53That is the communication that I needed with my group.
- 19:59It was another coach that suggested that you don't need to
- 20:04do all that. It's just the 4x4.
- 20:08They've done 4 by fours all year and I'm like OK there it is
- 20:15again, going against with your heart, your mind and your soul
- 20:18tells you to do. So what else do you do?
- 20:22Because if you got everybody else that's not going to care as
- 20:25much as you, it's going to fall on you if it works or if it
- 20:29doesn't. So the night before, I never
- 20:33spend this much time on a technical manual.
- 20:35I laid down for two hours and read the technical manual.
- 20:40The technical manual for two hours, mixed relay, round one.
- 20:48I'm looking at the Jumbotron and it looks like that I athlete is
- 20:52standing outside of the zone waiting for the baton.
- 20:56What can I do from up Yonder but watch and destruction?
- 21:02That's the worst that's going through my brain and we get
- 21:07disqualified. So I go back to the warm up
- 21:11area. Hey, what happened?
- 21:14The umpire didn't tell me where to stand and well, did you
- 21:20notice the pattern? Because but hey, that neither
- 21:24they're here. They're they're rules.
- 21:27And according to rule 23.4 that was screenshotted on my
- 21:32technical manual 2 hour session, the own power is has to place
- 21:39you in the position in the zone. So of all the things on my phone
- 21:45was that one rule I hit manager ba ba ba ba ba.
- 21:51Hey, don't fire him. Place her in a position they
- 21:53don't have to. Well, according to 23.7, here's
- 22:00the screenshot. Bao 3:00 AM we're back in.
- 22:07I want to tell you, when everybody is not for you, you
- 22:14better be. You better think of every little
- 22:17thing, every single thing, because there's nobody else
- 22:21doing it but you. You have to think about
- 22:24everything. I'm talking about preparation in
- 22:27a way that no detail when I walk in, in the space, I have thought
- 22:32about everything for this team to win, because that's it.
- 22:37That's the task, and the task has to be accomplished.
- 22:41We have to win COVID. We had no relay practice 0.
- 22:48So at this point I started to think about my process, right?
- 22:53OK, I'm I'm the person that's in charge now.
- 22:55And for me, if you haven't practiced, I'm going to go with
- 23:00the people who know the most that what needs to be done in
- 23:05the short amount of time that we have now.
- 23:08That means that some people may not have, in their minds, an
- 23:13equal opportunity, but the time and space is what dictates the
- 23:18opportunity. You as the head coach now have
- 23:22to minimize that risk and put the right people on the track to
- 23:26get the task done. So that's when I first started
- 23:32to make those hard decisions. We pulled off a silver.
- 23:35Oh, if I just had more time. I knew.
- 23:37Trust me, that was going to be my last silver, the 4x4.
- 23:44This was my first time sticking up for, I mean, just taking
- 23:50that, that risk, risk the national champion, risk the
- 23:54national champion who is the national champion 4 weeks
- 23:57before, but four weeks later you're at the global
- 24:00championship and you see four others that and she's #5 now are
- 24:09you going to have that conversation because you feel
- 24:11like you still can win with the national champion that in your
- 24:15heart, your mind and your soul is number 5?
- 24:17Or are you, we can still do it and go with the national
- 24:23champion and move 5 to 4. Nobody's going to know.
- 24:26It's your process and you go out there.
- 24:30No, your job is to put the best on the on the on the on the
- 24:36track. If you don't start taking those
- 24:40risks and standing up for which you really know to do, the gift
- 24:45will die out. And it is your responsibility to
- 24:49live up to the gift that you have been tasked to show the
- 24:54world creating the process in 2022.
- 25:02I got the call. I got these calls.
- 25:04This call this time was, oh, we are going to you're going to
- 25:08apply for the the head coach position.
- 25:10But it was different this time because now that I was applying
- 25:13for the head coach, it was the first time that the role split
- 25:17genders. So now they had a women's head
- 25:20relays coach and a men's head relays coach and they told me
- 25:25that I would take the women. And I said, hey, that's never
- 25:29been done before. What was it different?
- 25:32Was it me? They can I not coach the men?
- 25:37I didn't know, but I just took the women and was like, well,
- 25:40say less, let's go do our thing. And that's exactly what I
- 25:45started to do. The process.
- 25:46What was I looking at? Here we go.
- 25:48What problems needed to be addressed to improve the
- 25:51outcomes In 2022, the women had not won a gold medal in five
- 25:55years. 2017 was our last gold medal.
- 25:59We had gone through Olympic Cycle World Championships and we
- 26:02were losing to Jamaica. Jamaica was the powerhouse for
- 26:05the last five years and the women's sport, well, all the
- 26:08four by ones. I know you know the history of
- 26:10the USA relay program and a lot of that is what you see at the
- 26:13bottom of the screen, which was my experience.
- 26:16We were DQ D in 2008. It was the first time that the
- 26:21men and the women were DQ D at the same Olympic Games and I was
- 26:27a part of that. The men have not won a gold
- 26:32medal in 25 years and counting. What are we doing wrong?
- 26:45What I learned going through the relay program is that we had no
- 26:48time together. Once you go to the USA
- 26:53Championship Olympic trials, 4 weeks later you're at a global
- 26:57championship. The only practice you have is a
- 27:00relay camp, if you have it. And when you do have that relay
- 27:04camp, you only have three days with the exact team.
- 27:11So how are we going to maximize the opportunity with having the
- 27:15fastest athletes but minimal time?
- 27:20So I started to see that we needed to think about our
- 27:24process. How do we minimize process?
- 27:30Here we go. How do we maximize, how do we
- 27:33maximize our time? I'm sorry, hold on.
- 27:36How do we maximize our performance while we minimize
- 27:38our risk? The skill side was being
- 27:42negated. They will put the four fastest
- 27:45out there, but once you've got in the zones, we weren't really
- 27:47keeping track of what we needed to do.
- 27:50So I wanted to put an emphasis on the skill side.
- 27:52How are we keeping track of our baton speeds and our skills and
- 27:56the continuity amongst our teams?
- 27:59How are we getting each other to understand the value in one
- 28:02another so when it came time to get the job done, you can look
- 28:06to your left and your right and respect one another in that time
- 28:09because you needed each other to win.
- 28:12And then how do we navigate the distraction, the
- 28:16counterproductive culture, retaliation, intimidation?
- 28:22If you don't run my athlete, it's going to be a problem.
- 28:24Conversations because that's the real thing.
- 28:28Are you going to be able to stand up to those things?
- 28:30So I wanted to bring objectivity to the talent identification
- 28:35process. I started to create a leg based
- 28:39program so that people will understand what the differences
- 28:42were in the first leg, second leg, third leg, fourth leg.
- 28:45It was very important for them to understand.
- 28:46So that way, whenever you cast, they understood that even if
- 28:51they were good at something, I needed this particular demand.
- 28:56And that means that somebody may be better at that demand.
- 29:00Are you following? Yes.
- 29:02So now articulating the demand, I need to make sure I'm casting
- 29:06appropriately. My legs are important.
- 29:07I just don't want fast people. I want a fast first leg, a fast
- 29:10third leg, fast second leg, a fast anchor leg.
- 29:15I started measuring the baton speed, started saying what are
- 29:19we keeping track of around the zones?
- 29:21How fast are we moving the stick?
- 29:22And then I started to videotape that and time it.
- 29:26We weren't doing that ever, which is crazy.
- 29:34I have been in a relay program in 2007.
- 29:38I have been in college. We had never kept track of baton
- 29:41speeds ever in the national team program.
- 29:45Hey gang, Mike Cunningham here. Hey, I hope you enjoyed this
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