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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, June 7 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Well Jacks Drive Time with Ashlyn Selli tells John Oshans
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Speaker 1: Bryan Jags right time starts right now. Gosh, He's gonna
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Speaker 1: be again one of these versatile, you know, defensive lineman,
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Speaker 1: whether he's playing on the edge or playing inside. You know,
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Speaker 1: brings some value on third down obviously, um, the pass
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Speaker 1: rush and and and they've been a rotational guy, guy
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Speaker 1: that we can, you know, keep the line fresh throughout
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Speaker 1: the course of the game. And these guys don't have
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Speaker 1: to you know, play you know, seive percent of the snaps.
0:37
Speaker 1: You can you can really spread it around. I think about,
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Speaker 1: you know, the year the year we won the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: I mean, guys like Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham when
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Speaker 1: we playing in sixty six snaps because we were rotating,
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Speaker 1: you know guys. And and that's what you gotta have,
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Speaker 1: you know. Um, there's guys that can come in and contribute.
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Speaker 1: And he'll be one of those guys. A guy we
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Speaker 1: haven't spoken a lot about his free agent acquisition are
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Speaker 1: and Key and it's a guy we're going to start
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Speaker 1: talking about because he's playing so well this offseason and
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Speaker 1: the versatility that they have on the defensive line and
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Speaker 1: the creativity that they can use is definitely a storyline
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Speaker 1: at this point of O T as in June Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Jaguars Drive Time, Ashlan Sullivan, Brian Sexon and John Owes,
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Speaker 1: you're here with you. When Cooke Peterson said that this morning,
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Speaker 1: I thought, oh yeah, Art and Key, we never talked
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Speaker 1: about him. Brian wouldn't here yesterday. It was travel. If
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Speaker 1: you notice the respect and admiration that Doug had for
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Speaker 1: the question myself that that you could tell it was special,
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Speaker 1: but it was a very nice bond. Art and Key
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Speaker 1: I did talk about to practice yesterday. He Uh, he
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Speaker 1: has been a guy who's getting forgotten about a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Brian and I don't know that he's going to be
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Speaker 1: a ten twelve sec Pro Bowl guy, But in the NFL,
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Speaker 1: you need a defensive line that comes at you in waves. Uh.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to have waves without guys to do it.
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Speaker 1: He's certainly one of those guys. You can do it.
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Speaker 1: If you package him with Trayvon Walker, with Josh Dwan
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Speaker 1: smoot Um. All of a sudden, you've got a lot
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Speaker 1: of guys who teams have to account for a little bit.
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Speaker 1: And I think he has been forgotten a little bit. Look,
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Speaker 1: he wasn't as effective in Oakland, Las Vegas right as
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Speaker 1: he was in San Francisco. Why is that Well, because
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Speaker 1: he had big guys, you know, Eric Armstead and Nick
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Speaker 1: Bosa in front of him. He didn't have to be
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Speaker 1: Nick Bosa, right, he just had to be one of
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Speaker 1: those guys like Johnson that would come in waves. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's why Trayvon Walker is so important, Josh Allen so important.
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Speaker 1: Now you've got a guy like Art and Key who
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Speaker 1: can play a role, who can come in and if
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Speaker 1: he gives you eight sacks, you're thrilled. Eight sacks from
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Speaker 1: Arden Key, who you signed in you know what, April
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Speaker 1: to come in as a free agent. That's perfect. That's
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Speaker 1: exactly what his role should be. You're not putting too
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Speaker 1: much pressure or too many expectations on him. If you said, well,
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Speaker 1: we've got Art and Key, everything's fine, We've got a
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Speaker 1: pass for USh, you'd be like, yeah, I don't know
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Speaker 1: about that. Now you're bringing the first overall pick of
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Speaker 1: the draft to combine with him. Now you've got a wave. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you got some options for sure. And on that same note, uh,
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Speaker 1: Smooth had what I think six sacks and a half.
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Speaker 1: You forget about him. Sometimes. I would make the case
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Speaker 1: that he was their second best player along the front seven.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine if he's your fifth best player? The
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Speaker 1: great point and that's what he might be this year.
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Speaker 1: They like their front seven coming in Doug Peterson tight
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Speaker 1: end and defensive front seven or the two areas that
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Speaker 1: he likes the most outside Trevor Lawrence, of course. Um,
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Speaker 1: if it's even better than what they thought last year,
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Speaker 1: I don't know it's gonna be elite pass rush. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna get pressure, but it's gonna be
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Speaker 1: so much stouter than it was. Like, I know, you
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Speaker 1: want to get the big things. But I have to
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Speaker 1: say this because you might not recall this because in
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Speaker 1: two thousand seven you were how old? Yeah, I get it,
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Speaker 1: you weren't even driving yet. Um, the undefeated Patriots went
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Speaker 1: eighteen and all wint to the Super Bowl to take
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Speaker 1: on the New York Giants, who had gotten There was
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Speaker 1: a wild card, and everyone thought this was a no brainer.
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Speaker 1: You know, they were going to be the first undefeated
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Speaker 1: team since the Dolphins in seventy too. But Matthias kaiwa Uka,
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Speaker 1: you know, and Justin tuck Um and uh, Straighthanda the
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Speaker 1: straighthand guy right, they just came in waves, and ever
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Speaker 1: since then you have had teams trying to find that
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Speaker 1: that wave of guys and if you've got it, you
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Speaker 1: can beat the best quarterback playing his best football. Yeah right,
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Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I don't think you would figure that.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into big things, shall we. Big
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Speaker 1: thing one as priorities, we talked about it for months.
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Speaker 1: The priority of the off season is getting more impactful
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Speaker 1: guys pretty easy right while we're seeing it come to
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Speaker 1: life on the field right now, especially on the defensive line,
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Speaker 1: which we just spoke about. It's taking the pressure off
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Speaker 1: oft well. I I think it can only help him,
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Speaker 1: you know, and it takes a little um, you know,
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Speaker 1: uh pressure or stress whatever off off of him. I
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Speaker 1: think you know, opponents are going to have to if
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Speaker 1: if the success is there, and we hope it is that,
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Speaker 1: you know, as teams scheme us on defense, that that
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Speaker 1: it maybe it free you know, Josh to be able
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Speaker 1: to be more of what he was just a couple
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Speaker 1: of years ago and and getting back to that, and um,
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Speaker 1: I think having those pieces around him can do that.
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Speaker 1: Big thing too is final phases. This is the last
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Speaker 1: week of OT before we start mandatorium any camp next week,
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Speaker 1: three days of practice and then we are off for
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Speaker 1: summer breaks. It is the last chance for quarterback Trevor
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Speaker 1: Lawrence to go through that offense one more time before
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Speaker 1: guys leave the building for a little We're getting close
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Speaker 1: to the to the end of our You know, we've
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Speaker 1: installed probably the second third time through this whole off
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Speaker 1: season program. So each time we had a few things
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Speaker 1: to each install, you know, a few little twists and
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Speaker 1: adjustments and additions all that. So we got I mean,
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Speaker 1: we got a lot of stuff in right now, we
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Speaker 1: have a few more to go over again, like I said,
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Speaker 1: and had a few things, but I mean we've we
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Speaker 1: went through all of it, through everything at least one time,
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Speaker 1: and some of the things like this is the third time,
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Speaker 1: so we're making great progress. UM play Lost coming together
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Speaker 1: really nicely. It's been really good. And finally, big thing
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Speaker 1: three is highlights. Who has stood out in this portion
6:03
Speaker 1: of O T A. S. It's always hard to tell
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Speaker 1: with no pads on. We say that multiple times, but
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Speaker 1: one guy who you can't help but notice even without
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Speaker 1: pads on is Roy Robertson Harris and this is the
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Speaker 1: guy who's having a great offseason. In the locker room
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Speaker 1: is pretty excited about him. Yeah, he's he's had a
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Speaker 1: great offseason. Um, like I've said, it's always hard when
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Speaker 1: nobody has pads on. It's it's just kind of messy
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Speaker 1: upfront because you know, tempo is tough with those guys. So, um,
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Speaker 1: he's had a great offseason. I mean, you guys see him.
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Speaker 1: He's huge, and he looks really good. I mean last
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Speaker 1: year I thought he started to pick it up a
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Speaker 1: lot towards the end the year, I paly started to
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Speaker 1: play well, and just to see him come out and
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Speaker 1: the whole spring he's been playing really well. So I'm
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Speaker 1: excited to see that. And we go back up to
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Speaker 1: big thing one priorities at the off season, just getting
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Speaker 1: more good players. It sounds easy, but it's definitely hard
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Speaker 1: to do. And we're seeing that come to fruition throughout
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Speaker 1: this offseason and taking the pressure off of Josh Allen.
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Speaker 1: I think that's why it's so hard to judge Josh
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Speaker 1: Allen's past couple of seasons because he was so the
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Speaker 1: center of attention. I mean, we say take the pressure off,
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Speaker 1: I don't think that tells the story as well as
7:07
Speaker 1: it takes the protection away. Right, if you've got Trayvon
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Speaker 1: Walker coming off the other edge, or arden Key who
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Speaker 1: is all of a sudden a pass rush of significance
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Speaker 1: for you, they can't slide the protection to Josh Allen.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what Josh did that day against the
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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, um, but they couldn't stop him. There was
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Speaker 1: nothing they could do. They could slide everything his way
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Speaker 1: and he was still winning. Well, I mean, John, you
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Speaker 1: know you don't have days like that every day, every
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Speaker 1: Sunday in the NFL. So now if he gets a
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Speaker 1: one on one matchup, especially if there's just a tight
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Speaker 1: end who's leaving the line of scrimmage and someone's trying
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Speaker 1: to chip him what he's gifted enough, he's gonna win
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Speaker 1: that more often then he's not. He just didn't see
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Speaker 1: that very often last year. Now you've got guys who
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Speaker 1: are going to slide protection away from him, taking the
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Speaker 1: pressure off. He loves the pressure. It's the protection away.
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Speaker 1: People get so tired to hear him to say this,
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Speaker 1: because I've said it for years. It continue used to
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Speaker 1: ring true because the team hasn't been very good. Pass
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Speaker 1: rush typically is about opportunities. It's about being able to
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Speaker 1: rush in passing situations, which are third and long and
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Speaker 1: late in games when you're ahead. When's the last time
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Speaker 1: they were ahead? Brian like eight team. I mean, and
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Speaker 1: I'm exaggerating, but when you watch great pass rushers, they
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Speaker 1: get you know, if if Dwight Freeney when I covered him,
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Speaker 1: had a hundred sacks I met, thirty of them came
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Speaker 1: in the last two minutes of games when they knew
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Speaker 1: teams were trying to close them out. Josh Allen be
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Speaker 1: fine as a pass rush. As a pass rusher. When
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Speaker 1: this team gets in more good pass rushing situations, the
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Speaker 1: run defense is better, that should help if the offense
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Speaker 1: is better and gets them leads. I don't think there's
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Speaker 1: anything wrong with Josh Allen playing on a then put
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Speaker 1: that playing on a better team that has him in
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Speaker 1: better situations once off, well, he had ten sacks when
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Speaker 1: he had Calais and Unique on that same defense in front.
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Speaker 1: And I remember two games from that season and actually
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Speaker 1: land a little bit there. Well, yeah, remember that some
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Speaker 1: of the they had six wins that year and two
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Speaker 1: that stand out. We're in the division. It was the
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Speaker 1: Thursday night game, here against the Titans, and the season
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Speaker 1: finale that year against the Colts where they built early leads,
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Speaker 1: and then you just again the waves that John mentioned
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Speaker 1: off the top of the show. You had Calais and
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Speaker 1: Unique and Josh, and Josh finished with ten sacks and
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Speaker 1: was named the Pro Bowl. I mean, he will get
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Speaker 1: those opportunities as long as he has a caliber of
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Speaker 1: player that's there to help him. And of course John's
9:24
Speaker 1: exactly right. If you're leading, you're chasing the quarterback. And
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Speaker 1: then he had seven and a half sacks last year,
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Speaker 1: right um they went three and fourteen, They were down
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Speaker 1: by double digits. It seemed like every game except the
9:38
Speaker 1: games they won. You get five more games, whether they're
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Speaker 1: in it or you get pass rush, and he has
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Speaker 1: two and a half more sacks. Then he saw you're
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Speaker 1: talking about a ten sack guy. And now he's a
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Speaker 1: consistent player, he's maybe a pro So it can change
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Speaker 1: that quickly. I have no doubt that if Josh gets
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Speaker 1: the opportunities, he would be back to a Pro Bowl level.
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Speaker 1: Remember you're talking about a guy that had five sacks
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Speaker 1: after the Bills game and then the rest of the
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Speaker 1: year only got two and a half more. When did
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Speaker 1: they lead. They didn't until the end of the season.
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Speaker 1: And even though he didn't have many sacks in that
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Speaker 1: game here against the Colts, you saw him around the quarterback,
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Speaker 1: causing problems for Carson Wentz the whole thing. Hey, I
10:16
Speaker 1: want to talk about Roy Robertson Harris because I think
10:19
Speaker 1: you look at him and he over the second half
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Speaker 1: of the season last year. Those guys they're not getting
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Speaker 1: quietly good he was. You're not going to see ten
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Speaker 1: sacks from an interior. He's an end right in this
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Speaker 1: three force game. Their job is to tie up two
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Speaker 1: gaps and let the linebackers in a three force game
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Speaker 1: run and make plays. And he was damn good at
10:40
Speaker 1: what he did last year. He's big. He's Trayvon Walker big, right,
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Speaker 1: the broad shoulders, the long arms, the huge hands. He's
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Speaker 1: got that. Now, if you've got pressure coming off the
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Speaker 1: edge and the tackles, make it so that you've got
10:53
Speaker 1: to have games played up front where guards are taking
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Speaker 1: on Roy Robertson Harris, good luck good And that's I
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Speaker 1: think when Trevor was speaking of out him yesterday, and
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Speaker 1: you're seeing him in Trevor's face so much during ot
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Speaker 1: s and he's like, yeah, yeah, no pads. We get that.
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Speaker 1: There's it's messy right now at the line of scrimmage.
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Speaker 1: There's something to be said as of right now that
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Speaker 1: Roy Robertson Harris. Every day we leave the practice field.
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Speaker 1: You just saw that bad a ball down. He's making
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Speaker 1: a play like that every day And you can say
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Speaker 1: as much as you want, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no
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Speaker 1: pads on. But you see guys who are having a
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Speaker 1: good spring, who are gearing up to have a good
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Speaker 1: summer and a good fall, and he looks to be
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Speaker 1: that guy. Even though they're not wearing pads. You can
11:28
Speaker 1: see a guy who's surging and who's put in the
11:30
Speaker 1: work because he has He was an sending player last year.
11:34
Speaker 1: He was a sending player when they signed him. Out
11:36
Speaker 1: of all the guys they signed last year in that class,
11:39
Speaker 1: he was in that top group of guys that you
11:41
Speaker 1: thought could be UM. Not all freedoms for long term fixes.
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Speaker 1: He was one of the guys he just thought, okay,
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Speaker 1: he might be able to to to be or say,
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Speaker 1: stick it out for three or four years as a
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Speaker 1: free agent. It's a long run as a free agent. UM.
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Speaker 1: He looks like that kind of out of me. He does,
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Speaker 1: and that is big things. When we come back a
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Speaker 1: look at the depth chart of the offense, our best pick.
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Speaker 1: We're back Jaguars Drive Time on a Tuesday, Ashland, Brian
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Speaker 1: and John with you here. As our final week of
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Speaker 1: O t A s as approaching before mandatoring mini camp,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna give it our best go to predict the
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Speaker 1: starting lineup on offense as we went enter training camp
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Speaker 1: in August. So little long list bear with me here,
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Speaker 1: but I think what's most easy to pay attention to
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Speaker 1: as of right now is the starting lineup on offensive line. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I like that list. I I don't necessarily know.
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Speaker 1: I would probably guess right now the walker little is
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Speaker 1: gonna start with Joan Taylor. That's just maybe I'm caught
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Speaker 1: up in I'm with you on that in the in
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Speaker 1: the comments section wave the Twitter wave. I like the
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Speaker 1: wide receivers Etan Ingram Obviously, I think you could see
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Speaker 1: more too tight end with Dan Arnold or Chris man
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Speaker 1: hurt when the um when the game books actually come out,
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Speaker 1: there there's a couple of different packages and schemes they use.
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Speaker 1: I think you could see Dan Arnold start, a lot
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Speaker 1: of Chris Manner star a lot of supposed to be
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Speaker 1: write sivers. But that's nit picking, um, you know. And
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Speaker 1: I think Tyler Shatley starts the season. I think Luke
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Speaker 1: Fordner finishes the season. Okay, I mean I'm with you
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Speaker 1: on I think Fortner gets in and I don't think
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Speaker 1: it takes that long. To be honest with you, I mean,
13:56
Speaker 1: I think he finds there's a moment where they make
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Speaker 1: a switch and he in you know, week five, weeks six,
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Speaker 1: weeks seven. Um, I'm I think Walker Little is the
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Speaker 1: right tackle of the future here Juwan has you know,
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Speaker 1: this is the last year of his rookie contract. Um.
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Speaker 1: I don't think and I've said this before, I don't
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Speaker 1: think he's a tackle because I don't think he has
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Speaker 1: a quick enough feat. I think if you put him
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Speaker 1: at guard, he could be a Pro Bowl caliber guard
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Speaker 1: because when you watch him hit the sled, you hear
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Speaker 1: it pop. He's got power. He's got rare power. Uh.
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Speaker 1: They call it working in a phone booth when you're
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Speaker 1: talking about working between the tackles, right, how do you
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Speaker 1: operate in that phone booth? I think he would be
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Speaker 1: tremendous at that. And I talked and Dave Campo, who's here,
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Speaker 1: the former defensive coordinator here and head coach of the
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Speaker 1: Cowboys and has been all over the place, and I
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Speaker 1: asked him when he was here last week, realistically, could
14:45
Speaker 1: you take a guy who hasn't played guard and make
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Speaker 1: him a guard um when training camp starts, when it's
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Speaker 1: clear that little is the better player, if it's clear
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Speaker 1: that Little is the better player. And he said, you
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Speaker 1: could if the guy was willing to do it, and
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Speaker 1: if the guy has the talent to do it. And
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Speaker 1: I think Jowan has both of those. So we'll see.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know. I don't know the offensive
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Speaker 1: line coach well enough to know what he thinks about
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Speaker 1: these guys, but That's kind of the way I see
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Speaker 1: it because I Walker Little has really strong footwork. He's
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Speaker 1: the kind of guy I think that you're looking, well,
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Speaker 1: that's our that's our right tackle. Um, I'm with you
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Speaker 1: on Dan Arnold sneaky right. They've got a little bit
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Speaker 1: of depth on the offensive side of this. The only
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Speaker 1: other one I question is whether Travis E. T N
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Speaker 1: is a starting running back. You know, every first second
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Speaker 1: down between the tackles guy. Um, I mean, if James
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Speaker 1: Robinson were healthy, I think you probably put him in there.
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't say absolutely. And that's what's so hard to predict this.
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Speaker 1: Last week we did this on defense and it's pretty
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Speaker 1: easy to line this up, but all based on the
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Speaker 1: packages you run on offense, this is going to change.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, giving it our best go. Because of the
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Speaker 1: injuries that running back you think, all right, as of
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Speaker 1: right now, Travis E. T And probably is the starting guy,
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Speaker 1: and maybe he can be. I don't know. I still
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Speaker 1: am questioning his return from the injury. This is where
15:53
Speaker 1: you go, Well, it's hard to tell because they're not
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Speaker 1: on pads right because there isn't any contact and he
15:56
Speaker 1: doesn't have to go from one practice to practice again.
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Speaker 1: The next and pads and where you see the stress
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Speaker 1: that he puts on that former injury to see if
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Speaker 1: it's back right. And we're also seeing Travis at O
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Speaker 1: t s right now, whereas James working off to the side.
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Speaker 1: So it's easy to say, okay, look at Travis. He's
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Speaker 1: out there with the team. There you go. That might
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Speaker 1: be a position where you're looking for a guy during
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Speaker 1: training camp to come in. I can see that until
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Speaker 1: you're confident that both of those guys are ready to go,
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Speaker 1: or at least one of them is ready to go.
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Speaker 1: About addition, where you can find that too, and Armstead too.
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Speaker 1: I forgot about that right and again he looked pretty good. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I like it all right, And there we have it.
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Speaker 1: That was our best go at looking at this starting
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Speaker 1: offense going into training camp, coming back in August, and
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Speaker 1: on Jaguars Drive Tom unfortunate news as of yesterday, and
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Speaker 1: we watched Ots quarterback c J. Bethard went down with
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Speaker 1: an injury and NFL networks Tom Pelasa reporting that it
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Speaker 1: possibly could be a torn growing for c. J. Bethard,
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Speaker 1: some type of growing injury and m R I we
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Speaker 1: will wait the results of that, but very unfortunate news
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Speaker 1: which leads us into what's more likely. Predicting now that
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Speaker 1: most likely c J. Bethard will possibly miss training camp.
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Speaker 1: Are not sure about the season, but but this is
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Speaker 1: your backup quarterback and you had the stability of this
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Speaker 1: and the security that you had a veteran presence behind
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. So what is more likely as of right
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Speaker 1: now today Jake Luton as your backup quarterback? Are are
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Speaker 1: you going out and picking someone else up? Well? I
18:02
Speaker 1: think it's important. Some people may remember Fred Taylor had
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Speaker 1: this injury and missed all of the two thousand one season.
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Speaker 1: He did come back to play, but he had a
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Speaker 1: very severe element of because it was torn off the bone. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and we're not sure if it's at that point. So
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Speaker 1: I would say, um, I don't know it. Yeah. I
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Speaker 1: like Jake. I liked him when he was here. He's
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Speaker 1: got all the measurables, and I I just I might
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Speaker 1: swing with him because you've you figure that Trevor Lawrence
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Speaker 1: is going to take your steps. I mean, he's that
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Speaker 1: kind of guy. So I would say I'd go with
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Speaker 1: Jake Luton and feel comfortable with him because he's got
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Speaker 1: a big arm. He's a bright kid, tough kid too.
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Speaker 1: If you you know his history at Washington State with
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Speaker 1: the injury that he played through. Um, I think I'd
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Speaker 1: be comfortable with that. Yeah. There's a couple of schools
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Speaker 1: of thought. One is that when you have a guy
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Speaker 1: like Trevor Lawrence and you're abilding the franchise around him,
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Speaker 1: if you lose him, you're losing it all anyway. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's there. There's many ways to express it that you're
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Speaker 1: in trouble. Um. So that's one uh away the teams
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Speaker 1: think often when teams are up against the cap, they
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Speaker 1: really think that way as if you know what we're
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Speaker 1: going for the Super Bowl, or we're not gonna make it.
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Speaker 1: We got a franchise guy will go with youth behind it.
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Speaker 1: With this, the other school thought that you want is
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Speaker 1: is generally speaking, you once your backup if your starters
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Speaker 1: out for four games, to have a shot to keep
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Speaker 1: me above water, and and I to go to into
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Speaker 1: to keep you afloat. Is Jake Luton that guy? Maybe
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Speaker 1: if you're playing well around him, with a young team
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Speaker 1: that is really trying to build confidence in itself, I
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Speaker 1: might go the other way, Brian. I might bring in
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Speaker 1: a veteran backup to make sure that if I lose Trevor,
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Speaker 1: that I don't lose fifteen games around Trevor and are
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Speaker 1: just a mess and you feel like this isn't going anywhere.
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Speaker 1: I think they'll go the route you're talking about. That
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Speaker 1: would be the argument for going the other way. You
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Speaker 1: don't want to just completely lose it all if lose
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Speaker 1: your starter. You mentioned teams up against the cap. They've
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Speaker 1: got about eight million bucks, so I don't know whether
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Speaker 1: that's considered up against the cap, but they sort of
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Speaker 1: have wiggle room for the future. They're not in cap day.
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Speaker 1: You could bring in a guy Bethard was making two
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Speaker 1: point eight. Yeah, so you could probably go find that
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Speaker 1: two point eight guy if he's out there. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: probably what they do. But i'd say, I mean, you're
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Speaker 1: talking about bringing in a guy now for camp anyway,
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Speaker 1: so well you need another arm at this point. Um,
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Speaker 1: So I could see the argument. If we're going to
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Speaker 1: bring in someone anyway, let's bring in a better in
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Speaker 1: presence that we can count on if we're going to
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Speaker 1: have to bring someone in regardless, I mean, if it
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Speaker 1: was if it turned out to be a minor injury,
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Speaker 1: right and not. So we don't know, right, but you
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Speaker 1: just we don't have the extent of it yet, right,
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Speaker 1: And I mean the timing of it. You know, we
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Speaker 1: have many camp next week and then off for about
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Speaker 1: a month. If it's minor injury, maybe he's back to
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Speaker 1: training camp. But we don't have to worry about this.
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Speaker 1: But just from the likes of what we saw yesterday,
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Speaker 1: hopes and prayers to see j Betre but didn't look good,
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Speaker 1: that's for sure. All right, Let's move on to what's
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Speaker 1: more likely, Rayvon Walker or Devin Lloyd being more of
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Speaker 1: a quotation household name. At the end of two. We
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Speaker 1: say this because both are obviously high draft picks. Devin
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Speaker 1: Lloyd really great personality and very outgoing. Trayvon Walker more
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Speaker 1: on the quiet side, but his play speaks for itself.
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Speaker 1: So I'm very curious at the end of two were
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Speaker 1: we talking more about as a whole? Who was the
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Speaker 1: NFL talking more about as a whole? You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna go with sort of the obvious, and maybe Lebrian
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Speaker 1: go the other way. I think it'll be Devin Lloyd
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Speaker 1: because it feels like he might be spet guy more
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Speaker 1: than Trayvon Walker. I don't necessarily know that Devin Lloyd
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Speaker 1: is gonna be more important to the defense than Trayvon Walker.
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Speaker 1: I don't think you will. But so I'll go with
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Speaker 1: that angle of it. That because Devin Lloyd, as as
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Speaker 1: Slynn said, he's flashy, great personality. Every time this kid
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Speaker 1: gets a sack, the meeting's gonna be crowding around him
21:54
Speaker 1: because he's He's an absolutely joy to talk to and
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Speaker 1: he's got that presence about him. Um, So I'll go
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Speaker 1: with that with the caveat that I think Trayvon is
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Speaker 1: going to wind up being exactly what they wanted out
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Speaker 1: of him, you know, Um, I got this script last
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Speaker 1: night on the plane ride home, and so I have
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Speaker 1: to detect time. But I know you'd be a little technological.
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Speaker 1: They've learned it from you, um on airplanes. So I
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Speaker 1: had some time to ponder this one, and I was
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Speaker 1: going Trayvon Walker because if he has an amazing year,
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Speaker 1: people are gonna be Wow, what a great pick. And
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Speaker 1: if he doesn't have an amazing stat year, people are
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Speaker 1: gonna talk about him, right being the number one overall pick.
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Speaker 1: He's in that. You know, damned if you do, damned
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Speaker 1: if you don't. If he has an amazing year, hey,
22:38
Speaker 1: but if he only has five sacks and Hutchinson has seven, right, right,
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Speaker 1: So I just don't think there's any way around it,
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Speaker 1: because I don't want to say he's a controversial pick,
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Speaker 1: because clearly when you look at it, he's gonna be
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Speaker 1: a lightning rod. Yeah, he's a lightning rod pick. And
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Speaker 1: I just don't think he can avoid it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: we you all know this. We can watch him play
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Speaker 1: this year and go, wow, that guy has got it.
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Speaker 1: And and he may of sixty tackles and five and
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Speaker 1: a half sacks and a forced fumble fumble recovery. Right,
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Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and we may go, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that guy's worthy. But the sporting public at largely, while
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Speaker 1: he didn't have twelve sacks, how can you how can
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Speaker 1: you say that was successful because they're just evaluating it
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Speaker 1: based on what they call production. Well, the production we
23:19
Speaker 1: you know, people who really followed this team, We'll say, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he was an impact player. Those sacks came at the
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Speaker 1: right time, at the right moment, whereas you know, some
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Speaker 1: guys get sacks just easy in the fourth quarter when
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Speaker 1: a team is chucking the ball all over the place
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Speaker 1: trying to come back. So I think he's he can't
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Speaker 1: help it. He's a lightning rod. He's gonna he's gonna
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Speaker 1: have the attention. Absolutely. Now we look at the a
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Speaker 1: f C South and this is an interesting one quarterback
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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, Ryan, Tannehall or Davis Mills being the most
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Speaker 1: intimidating opponents in the a f C South. And I
23:50
Speaker 1: say intimidating lightly. But when you look at three three quarterbacks,
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Speaker 1: which are these three? Is like, all right, you know,
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Speaker 1: they really got to keep their eye on this guy. Uh,
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Speaker 1: I don't know any him, Timmy Aiding, Brian Um, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna go with Matt Ryan for this reason. He didn't
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Speaker 1: look great when he came in here with Atlanta last year.
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Speaker 1: I thought it looked awful. He is clearly on his
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Speaker 1: last legs, but he's going to a franchise. It has
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Speaker 1: a lot of talent around him. Reports are that he
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Speaker 1: looks very good. I'm gonna go with him because sometimes
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Speaker 1: these guys can put together sort of one last year
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Speaker 1: at a place. Uh so he seems like a guy
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Speaker 1: who could do that, and it felt last year at
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Speaker 1: the end. You wonder about Tanny Hill with the way
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Speaker 1: the playoffs went, if maybe that slides a little bit.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that it will, but maybe that's their storyline. Well,
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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go with Tannehill because he's got Derrick
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Speaker 1: Henry right, and I think we saw Derek came back
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Speaker 1: to the playoffs and he wasn't as productive, But is
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Speaker 1: anybody betting against him? I mean, he still got time
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Speaker 1: in his career. He's not over the hill yet, even
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Speaker 1: though he's got a lot of miles on him and
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Speaker 1: and and he's lost a J. Brown, right, But they
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Speaker 1: brought Traylon Burke's in the Kid from Mark and Saw.
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Speaker 1: I just think the Tannehill is sneaky good when he's
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Speaker 1: got the power running game. He's not so good when
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Speaker 1: it's all on his shoulders and without Derrick Henry at
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Speaker 1: full strength in the playoffs, as John mentioned, he wasn't
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Speaker 1: that guy. Um, But I saw Matt Ryan out here
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Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, I mean, he's not the
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Speaker 1: same guy, and he had some weapons with him, but
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Speaker 1: he's not the same guy. Now he's got Jonathan Taylor,
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Speaker 1: the league's leading Russian. But we'll see how that how
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Speaker 1: that one goes, Um, Davis Mills, No, no, no, I
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Speaker 1: mean I think he's a nice player and they may
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Speaker 1: have something they can build around out there, but not him.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Tannehill because it's the opposite side
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Speaker 1: of that coin. But both of those guys, Ryan and Tannehill, Um,
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Speaker 1: are relying on their running game to give them the room.
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Speaker 1: So if those teams can run, they both have the
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Speaker 1: chance to be able to be troublesome for a defense.
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Speaker 1: And that's the intimidation factor. And that's when you bring
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Speaker 1: up this question. It shows just the a f C
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Speaker 1: South as a whole. It's grabble. And we were talking
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Speaker 1: to Bucky Brooks about this when he was here in Jackson.
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Speaker 1: He's like, look at the quarterbacks in the a f
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Speaker 1: C Souths Like, what do you mean the jagg Wars
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Speaker 1: can't get over the tump? But then you mentioned that
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Speaker 1: running game and it's a totally different Yeah. I get
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Speaker 1: the question a lot. I'll believe that the Titans and
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Speaker 1: Colts aren't good when I say it, because I thought
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Speaker 1: they were both. Titans had the best reck in the
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Speaker 1: f C last year, and they team and if you
26:28
Speaker 1: look at their rosters from one to fifty three, they're
26:31
Speaker 1: more proven than this one is right, And so I
26:34
Speaker 1: think the Jaguars have the third best roster. But mid
26:37
Speaker 1: season that can flip. If young guys out here are
26:39
Speaker 1: playing well. Evan Ingram and uh Christian Kirk are are
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Speaker 1: making big plays, and and Trayvon Walker and devn Lloyd
26:48
Speaker 1: and Chad Mumar are making things happen well, then maybe
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Speaker 1: this roster climbs. But as we sit right here, right now,
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Speaker 1: it would be presumptuous of us to say, oh, no,
26:57
Speaker 1: the Jagguars are ready to take another not my major strike,
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Speaker 1: but I think it's a big ask for him to
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Speaker 1: get him this year. Absolutely, we will see, and that
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Speaker 1: is what's more likely when we come back on the
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Speaker 1: week of o t s out on the practice field
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Speaker 1: yesterday won't be back until next week for mandatory veteran
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Speaker 1: mini camp. There's so many mandatory camps, I can't keep
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Speaker 1: track of what they're called. But last next week is
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Speaker 1: the last chance for us to be on the football
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Speaker 1: field before a break, and I think um regarding Coach
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Speaker 1: Peterson's comments about the pads, we're all ready to get
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Speaker 1: to that next phase. To say the least he gets it.
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Speaker 1: This is this time of year and there's a more
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Speaker 1: important time of year coming up in five six weeks.
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Speaker 1: So the goal next week is to get some work
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Speaker 1: in and get guys off the field healthy. So that
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Speaker 1: they're not spending the next six weeks trying to rehab
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Speaker 1: before training camp opens. Yeah, and that's something we spoke
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Speaker 1: about and reporters yesterday. I'm curious and I don't think
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Speaker 1: they will. But regarding how yesterday went with two injuries
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Speaker 1: where both players were down on the field for a
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Speaker 1: good amount of time, do you change anything? And I
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Speaker 1: said no, because I felt like there wasn't the intensity
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Speaker 1: of an O tee where you had to pull it back.
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Speaker 1: You still have to be out there, you still have
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Speaker 1: to get your work done. But I am curious now
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Speaker 1: with the unfortunate injuries, does anything change because of it?
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Speaker 1: Are we getting off the field faster? There's really short
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Speaker 1: of not practice saying there's nothing to get I don't
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Speaker 1: think there's very much they can do to pull back.
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Speaker 1: They've had a few eleven on eleven and seven on
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Speaker 1: seven sessions. Um, if you pull back and don't have those,
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Speaker 1: than just don't have their own practice. Yeah, so you
29:03
Speaker 1: got it. At some point you have to be on
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Speaker 1: the field running around, you know. It's interesting better. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know he's absolutely right because and I wasn't here,
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Speaker 1: but it sounds as if they were just going through
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Speaker 1: the motions and doing the things, and you're you're going
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Speaker 1: to have those moments you just are. Um, it's interesting
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Speaker 1: to you get to the final Miniicamp practice next Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: you get halfway in, you know, what's the coach's comfort level,
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Speaker 1: and let's get off the field while we, you know,
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Speaker 1: got nothing going. Let's be done. Let's go spend a
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Speaker 1: little more time in the meeting room. You know, guys
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Speaker 1: get a little bit nervous about ending the practice in
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Speaker 1: a negative Hey, everything good, all right, let's go. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know the Doug's gonna do that.
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Speaker 1: Doug might not be that guy, but you I've seen
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Speaker 1: it before in twenty seven years here of coaches saying,
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Speaker 1: you know what, let's not tempt fate. Let's get off
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Speaker 1: the field healthy and end on a high note. Absolutely, guys,
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Speaker 1: that's going. And then John, what do we got for it?
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Speaker 1: On podcast? This week? Should be Ray Sean Jenkins? Uh
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Speaker 1: have because of COVID. I've talked to him video conference,
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Speaker 1: everybody talked him face to face. Looking forward to it
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Speaker 1: and it should be uh out there either there, dear Friday,
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Speaker 1: and there we haven't not a lot going on this week.
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