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Josh Kemble: Dogwood | Furnace Fest 2024 Series · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  That will make you where Rickton, I guess you, Jim Beacon, What
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  really do I see? When act back at a Hi jamavel? But bow
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  hardy shot. Today we've got Josh Kemble. Not only is he from a
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  band that you may have heard of called Dogwood, but more importantly and maybe
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  more famously, the lead singer of an incredible band called The Undertaking. Uh.
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  You know a lot of people might they might think that they know who
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  the Undertaking is because of like this guy named Austin Visser, but it really
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  is. Actually it's you, Josh, that is like the true voice of
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  the Undertaking, right, I mean, I guess you're outing me right now.
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  But yeah, it's kind of like a Wizard of Oz situation. So
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  I'm like I just kind of sit here in this desk chair and I just
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  I send all this stuff to Austin and he kind of, I guess,
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  does my evil bidding. And every once in a while I'll just like show
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  up and maybe do a couple of seconds on stage and like I'm out of
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  here. You got the rest, You're good, okay. So it's kind
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  of like a chef's chef situation. Yeah, it was that, Like was
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  that the recent situation when you're you just show up and all my friends are
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  scavengers with undertaking or what. Yeah, so like people might be more familiar
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  with Austin's space. He's got he's got great hair. So I'm just like,
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  you know what, you got this. I think you got this,
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  And I'm gonna step back a little bit and just kind of give you the
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  glory. Is this like a Paula's Dead kind of situation? Like this is
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  so yeah, we're trying to it's experiment. It's an experiment. Yeah,
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  so don't tell Brandon, but yeah, yeah, Austin's actually not in the
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  band. I love it being San Diego boys. I feel like I feel
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  like you guys would get along pretty well. Austin. Yeah, I met
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  at you sometime. We just kind of like they butted heads like a couple
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  of young rams on stage a couple of weeks ago. Are you tall enough
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  to butt his head? Oh yeah, yeah, we we butt heads.
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  We butt butts. Everything is just a lot of butting, but but at
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  a lot of a lot of butting. And yeah, just a good old
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  button fest. And it was a good time. But I but I got
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  I got tired, you know, I'm old. I got tired. I
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  got off stage. I said, can you do can you finish the set
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  for me? He's like, I got you and they did it. So
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  I think I think I might retire from the band and you know, let
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  him have it. That'd be a good call, you know, got a
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  let the young bucks have a chance of they're on fire. He's got momentum,
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  he's got he's got vigor. Yeah, he's got all the energy that
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  I had when I was like, you know, starting the band, so
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  starting another different band. So they got a new song out. Everything's going
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  well for him right now. Exactly. Oh is this the Undertaking podcast?
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  This is not the Undertaking podcast? But you lied to me, just helping
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  me out. So yeah, So so that's happening. So yeah, they
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  they'll look look for the undertaking exclamation mark. Yeah, that's right. Don't
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  forget I can't forget it. Hmm. So what have you been up to
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  these days? Huh me, You've got You've got a lot going on.
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  No, not Mason, Mason's doing. What have you got going on?
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  You got you got a lot of irons in the fire all the time.
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  It feels like I do I have five irons are Are they frenzy? Okay,
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  yeah, I do. I stay busy. Lots of cooking in the
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  chef life. In the chef world, there's a lot of cooking going on,
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  making a lot of hot sauces and doing some collabs and stuff like that.
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  A lot of stuff in the works. There's there's some rumors about,
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  uh, you know, maybe a collaborative Dogwood hot sauce coming up soon in
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  the near future. We'll get to that. It's just a little bit.
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  In the industry, we call that a teaser. I have been thoroughly teased.
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  All right, all right, next topic. No, but I so
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  in the podcast, I kind of I kind of like got so busy cooking
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  that I couldn't always do the podcast stuff like on a weekly basis or a
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  regular basis, so I'd be doing going on other people shows like for example,
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  or doing IG live or doing some recasting or whatever. So now now
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  that we've had some I've had some announcements to make, I'll be gathering some
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  friends and folks to talk about future plans and you know, revamping it,
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  basically redoing it. So but mainly talking about the road to furnace fest or
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  like you know, how do I know you? How do we meet?
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  You know, and really kind of giving it some more time. So that's
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  that's for the family cast and then uh yeah, you know, maybe some
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  pickleball here and there. Nice you are that old good great dude. I
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  play this four year olds on the court. I do like how pickle ball
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  is completely taken over like a very specific generation. I'm pretty sure it's gonna
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  be at Furnace Fest this year. I mean it almost certainly will be.
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  You know, first USS is getting in to that demographic at this point where
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  you know, it's it's not just you know, like you know, the
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  people at Firnsfest, they're getting older and that's what's ball is all they can
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  do. Well. I try to do other things too, but like it's
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  just a it's a thing that we can do with the community. And I
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  actually I passed out my business cards for the food trucks and stuff, so
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  you know, it's just like a place to go, you know, kind
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  of like cheers. I was even at a brewery. No, it's actually
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  it's a sightery in Minneapolis about a month or so ago, and you know,
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  walk into this sidery and they've got like you know, just you know,
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  whatever kind of food that they got, and then they got all their
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  ciders, and of course now they've got all their THHG stuff too. But
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  in like the back of everything where every like where you can just see where
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  all the sighters are being made, they just got a massive pickleball court and
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  just people are playing pick a ball now in the middle of where people are
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  trying to work to make their sighter. I'm this is how like pickleball is
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  just like taking over everything, including sight. You know, there's gonna be
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  like, I mean, not to bring church into it, but yes,
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  to bring church into it. There's gonna be churches built around pickleball stuff,
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  right. Oh yeah, back in the day it was all basketball. Every
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  church a basketball court inside, and now they also are going to have a
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  pickleball court. You're right. Yeah, so that's the next wave of the
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  future. So anyways, that's enough pickleball talk, because you know, I
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  don't really I suck at it, but you know, it's fun whatever,
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  whatever, Mason, I don't care what you think. It's big, big
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  ping pong, big ping yeah exactly, yeah, full size okay, music.
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  Yeah, so just been doing some stuff with that with other people.
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  Yeah, other people like wanting to put out Hey, can you you want
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  to sing on this? Or I have a part that you might want to
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  do, or can you help me write this, or can you record something?
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  So I've always been trying to continue doing that so that you know,
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  I wouldn't just kind of let that fall by the wayside. Keep that,
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  keep that handy, keep that active. You got a nice microphone, you
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  might as well make use of it. I got a mic. Yeah,
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  I got all kinds of microphones. Baby, this is just one of them,
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  Mason, this is just one. Do you have two turntables as well?
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  Absolutely? Absolutely, I've got a great turntable collection. Two turntables.
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  I mean, are you referencing a Beck sample? I am right, good,
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  good, I have that record. No, But like it's just it's
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  it feels it feels kind of shitty to have equipment and not use it.
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  Yeah. If I'm being honest, Like, if I see my microphone not
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  being used, I'm like, I'm sorry, baby, you know, Or
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  if I see like, uh, we have we your microphones? Yeah,
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  not just into the mic, just to the mic. I wake up from
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  the mild the night, get out of bed and see how she's doing no,
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  but I have. But we keep musical instruments all over the house too,
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  So I feel guilty if I don't like kind of actively play the piano
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  or play the ukulele or the guitar or whatever's laying around the house. You
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  know. The kid my daughter has an acoustic bass. Someone gave her an
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  acoustic bass. I'm like, I okay, and I guess I have to
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  play acoustic bass now. Can't just let that sit there. I like that
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  relationship, though, with the musical instruments in your life, that's uh,
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  well, there's I feel like you might have some like workaholic nests to you.
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  You know, it's more like catholic guilt. I think that. I
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  think that because because one thing I don't I don't really want to shout out
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  other people's podcast while I'm on this one. But somebody, somebody, no,
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  no, fuck them, we're on somebody was reviewing our records, our
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  old records, and they got deep into deep, They went deep into the
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  theology of some of my lyrics. Because because I so basically just like deeper
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  than what you would have gotten into the theology of your lyrics. That's what
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  that's when it's always really funny where it's like like you're taking this way more
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  than what I even was pointing into it exactly. So I'm so like,
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  you know, it's like like almost like when a white girl is so woke
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  that they're like Bill Bill Burr says, like they're so woke that they're like
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  anti everything and against everybody or something like that or whatever. It's like they're
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  so woked that it doesn't they're not helping anyone and they're making everybody bad or
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  whatever. It's anyways, I was always under I was always writing from a
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  perspective. Oops. I was always writing from perspectives like here's a perspective,
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  here's a discussion, here's the question, here's an answer. It was never
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  like necessarily pointing fingers or like condemnation of ideas or whatever. I mean,
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  it was in a sense, but I was all like, I have these
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  questions, and I have a platform and a microphone to you know, put
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  these questions out to the world or the universe or the multiverse whatever, to
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  everybody, to God. But through these questions and answers, I'm talking to
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  another person through this song, or I'm writing for another person. They asked
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  me to write some stuff for them or whatever, and then I put it
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  on record, and then it goes on record and it's the band's song,
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  and now other people interpret it and they say like, Okay, here's the
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  problem with these lyrics or here's the problem with this song. And I got
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  it from everybody, like even when I wrote it, Like even my wife's
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  grandpa tried to write down all my lyrics and show him to like his pastors,
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  like this guy's writing songs up with the church. I was like,
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  no, I have questions, and I'm hoping someone can help me answer these
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  questions. And so this other show was like here, we're going to bring
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  on a theology doctor to like talk about this song and here's why it's wrong.
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  Like it got deep, it got deep, and I was very discouraged.
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  They said this is why it's wrong. They're like, this is the
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  problem with these lyrics, this is the problem with this song, or this
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  this this form of Christianity or whatever. It's like I'm like, oh my
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  gosh, this is like this is why people leave the church, you know,
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  because because you're like telling them that they're wrong of how they believe or
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  how they want to perceive. Things or believe or follow or whatever. So
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  I'm like, Okay, this is bad. But or when we take twenty
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  five year olds way too seriously in what they have to say and I wrote,
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  but this is stuff I wrote when I was sixteen seventeen, wow,
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  even before then? Even yeah, the problem when I mean, if somebody
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  took whatever I said at sixteen and was even like criticizing to this day,
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  I'd be like I was sixteen, damn it, That's what I'm saying.
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  I judge my office sixteen year old self all the time. Damn. I'm
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  like, what in the world. This is before college, this is before
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  degrees, this is before learning this before I even read books, you know,
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  like, yeah, I'm still learning how to read. Well, I'm
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  talking about or a girl comes to me and says, hey, can you
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  help me answer this question about you know, I got pregnant as a teenager
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  and what should I do with the kid or blah blah blah. I'm like,
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  I could, I could. I guess I could write a song about
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  that. I don't. It's my I'm using your voice, and then to
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  turn into like, oh, I'm tired of men talking about blah blah blah,
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  I'm like, oh my god, I can't get it right with these
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  people. So that goes back to what we're talking about. Pick a ball.
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  Oh well, we were talking about the lyrical content and stuff like that,
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  and and how it's been misconstrued at times. Yes, yes, or
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  people are trying to tell you that your art isn't isn't uh correct, which
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  I think is just like antithetical to self expression and art in general. Yeah,
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  or to art is like, hey, let me put out a survey.
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  What do you guys think I should write in my lyrics? You tell
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  me, I'll do whatever you say. It's gonna be perfect because it's your
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  thoughts not mine or something. Or there's a reason that I like being the
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  Black Sheep, you know, being on the podcast because and our HM or
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  whatever. It's because it's always been kind of like kind of like edge or
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  fringe or whatever. According to like the middle part of the Church of Christianity
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  is like and I kind of feel that way about how the I feel that
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  the band was like that, but we catered to the broad spectrum of church
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  theology or whatever for across you know, when we toured the US or whatever,
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  it's like we hit a lot of different denominational churches and stuff like that,
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  and non churches and clubs and stuff. But it's like people cling to
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  whatever they want. It's kind of like cherry picking out of the out of
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  scripture or theology or whatever. It's like I like this, but you said
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  this, so I don't like that, So now your band is no longer
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  awesome to me or whatever. People are. People are fun. People are
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  fun. Yeah, fun and funky, as Mason can attest to online.
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  I mean literally, just a few minutes ago, I had a guy,
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  uh before we started recording, I had a guy that was like, yeah,
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  I'm a I'm a convicted felon. I did an arm robbery and here's
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  all the reasons why you're totally wrong, and like what you just were you
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  were convicted of arm robbery like any like, I mean, to his credit,
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  he gave me his like entire like this is my name, this is
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  where I live. So I'm like, I just like start looking up this
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  guy. I'm like, oh my god, like just the things that some
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  people are willing to tell me. It gets better. We have another guy
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  that keeps trying to convince Mason and I that were gay lovers. Yeah,
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  like that Colin and I are gay. I'm like, wow, I like,
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  I've still never seen Colin and I have been best friends for over fifteen
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  years. I've still never seen his dick and vice versa and vice versa.
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  And I'm just like, at some point this is going to happen. But
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  like if I mean, I like one of my like I have. I
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  know a lot of gay people, and one of the first things you know
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  about a gay person is that the fact that they like, if they have
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  a gay lover, they they find out about that person's dick really quickly.
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  I would imagine, Yeah, it doesn't usually take over fifteen years. Yeah,
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  well, maybe we should just stop spooning. I mean, maybe that's
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  why I was sure I've never seen it. But also this commentary face,
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  now, this commentary, this person that's trying to convince you, that's what
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  I saying about. That's exactly what I was saying about. The person who
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  is like telling me about my songs, or like the person who is so
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  so like right that everybody else is wrong. But you know, like the
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  Bill Birthing with the woke white chicks and stuff. This was his SNL monologue.
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  I'm not this is not just I'm not just pulling out of the air.
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  It's like it's out. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was.
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  It was brilliant. I could see why he would get flack for it,
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  but he was not wrong, you know. So like but nowadays,
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  if I have an opinion on something like that, somebody is going to attack
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  me for my opinion, whether it's from anywhere, you know, from any
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  direction. So I'm too I'm too centrist, I'm too left, I'm too
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  the right, and I'm too to Jesus not Jesus enough. You know.
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  It's the classic thing. I can't please everybody, So I am just Josh
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  here, I am. What's the next question, let's go. You know,
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  I thought you were gonna say I'm Ken like from the Barbie movie.
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  You know, I I am Josh enough. Thank you. I should put
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  that on the shirts on a furnace face. That's it. That's all the
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  new Dogwood shirt. Yeah, it's just like spoof the whole like I'm kind
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  enough, but it just says I'm Josh enough. Like I'm sure you guys
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  would sell that out absolutely. I am also positive that there is some a
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  majority of fans out there that would take offense that we had something from the
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  Barbie movie on the shirts, and I'd be like, oh my god.
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  Put me personally, I'd be like, well, then you're not really our
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  fan because you don't really know me. But they'd be like, oh,
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  you know something something something church, something, something, religion, something something,
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  rainbow flags, you know something something. Does it really bother you that,
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  you know, like the Christian moniker was always you know, put on
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  you guys, and in part I mean I think you guys embraced it to
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  a certain extent but also rejected it to a certain extent. Right, does
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  it bother you to this day that some of that you know, more legalistic
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  kind of bs creeps its way in or the opposite, like the super super
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  liberal Christians kind of have their way with you too, have their way.
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  Wow. I think it's a I think it's a I think it's a very
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  nebulous question because I think that, like, like I said, when I
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  started writing the songs, I had already started with questioning and challenging and the
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  questions that people would honestly come to start to use in the early two thousands
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  for deconstruction and stuff like that is what I was already putting in the songs
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  on labels that were in family Christian book stories and stuff like that, you
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  know, And and us coming from the youth group culture. And I mean
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  not not even the youth group culture. We were in youth groups. That
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  was, That's where we were. We came from youth groups. We all
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  came from the church and started the band. That was. That was our
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  life experience. So it's not that I regret that I don't have. I
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  don't really regret that part of my life because I know still a lot of
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  those people that have always taken care of us in the band and taken care
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  of me personally and my family. So like that, there's there's a lot,
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  a lot of a lot of dark, nasty, bad stuff that happened
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  in that church or the churches we were in all of us that where the
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  band came from. But there's still also a lot of good. So like
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  I can't take that away. It's still it's still kind of the fabric of
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  me personally, and my my marriage and my family and my life all came
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  from that scene. Right. I met my wife at one of my concerts.
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  You know, I met a ton of my friends, and I still
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  have a lot of those friends, so like, I can't really negate that,
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  and I think the only I think the problem with it is sometimes some
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  of the fans haven't really moved on out of that at that realization or that
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  culture or that stuff, which and they might be in a great church that's
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  doing great things for the community and loves everybody. There might be like awesome
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  people, and and I can't I don't. I can't fault them for that.
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  And the only problem that I've seen with it so far is I remember
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  sometime in like two thousand and six I said something about like a labor strike
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  or a labor boycott in San Diego for like, you know, migrant farm
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  workers, and a ton of fans that came at me and boycotted us for
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  saying something saying anything about taking a stand with these migrant farm workers for their
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  rights. And I was like, hey, we should help them out.
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  We should. I was saying something good, like Hey, I wasn't like,
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  oh my gosh, I'm totally like anti this or you know, anti
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  government or blah blah. But you know me, you know, I'm a
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  punk and I stand I don't stand for I always stand for government values or
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  even Christian, you know, church rules or whatever. I'm going to try
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  to push and push and push and push and maybe break some rules to get
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  things done. And I stand for human values and human lives and stuff like
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  that. So and that goes anything from that small to like typing something on
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  MySpace about maybe a one day support for migrant farm workers, all the way
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  to nowadays saying like I support this, or I don't support this, or
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  I repost your story and it's up there for twenty four hours and then it's
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  gone and then somebody's like oh or whatever. You know, It's like people
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  are looking for something to well, I feel this. People are looking for
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  something to strike at me or attack me about something, if it's regarding the
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  band, or my political stance or my non political stance, or my religion
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  or my non religion or whatever. I'm like, man, the whole time
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  I've been in the band, I've just been trying to like help myself and
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  others who think like me, answer some questions about their beliefs and how we
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  are supposed to live and help others or not, and you know, support
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  our government or country or whatever or not, you know, like, but
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  really it's about like living and being nice, decent human beings, because that's
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  kind of the main story of the Bible is here's a bunch of bad people.
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  Here's one good guy, and here everybody else sucks. And you know,
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  like you know, like if you if you follow this good guy,
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  then you're gonna do good things, if you follow these teachings and blah blah
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  blah. So like that's all I try to do is I keep it really
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  simple. And I feel like there's like a black and white binary world in
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  politics, religion, the church is specifically very black and white. But I
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  live in the gray. I live in full color. Baby, I want
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  there's so much stuff. It's not just about you know this or that,
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  choose this yes or no, boom one or two. It's like, what
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  about all the other stuff? Josh, let me tell you why you're wrong?
• 21:37
  Actually, thank you please, I mean, no, convince me why
• 21:41
  that's bad. It's not bad at all. That's why it doesn't make sense.
• 21:48
  So here's here's what's interesting with this conversation is so, Josh, I
• 21:52
  actually just submitted a paper for so there's this big academic conference of like religion
• 22:00
  scholars, and I got a paper accepted a couple months ago for this conference,
• 22:07
  and it's the thirtieth anniversary this year of Tooth and Nail records, and
• 22:11
  so there were a few of us people that were you know, in the
• 22:15
  scholar world or whatever, like the religion scholar world that grew up Tooth and
• 22:19
  Nail fans, and so we submitted this panel of each one of us doing
• 22:25
  this paper for the music and religion unit of this big academic conference, and
• 22:30
  it got accepted. So, like all of a sudden, now a couple
• 22:34
  months ago, I realized, all right, well I submitted this proposal,
• 22:37
  This means I actually have to write this damn paper. So anyway, my
• 22:40
  paper is going to be about how alternative music, punk, hardcore, metal,
• 22:45
  all these different forms of alternative music have shaped the religious kind of deconstruction,
• 22:52
  if you will, of bands that were in the Tooth and Nail world.
• 22:56
  That's not to say that every artist that was in Tooth and Nail has
• 23:00
  gone through that journey or anything, but what it does, basically sort of
• 23:04
  my argument in the paper is that in contrast to more like CCM artists,
• 23:11
  we see a higher prevalence of artists that were in the Tooth and Nail world
• 23:17
  who quote unquote religiously deconstructed from their evangelical conservative evangelical faith, and so one
• 23:23
  of my you know, there's probably a variety of different factors of why that
• 23:27
  is the case, but one of my arguments is that the there are elements
• 23:33
  to alternative music that have influenced that. So that's the fact that they were
• 23:40
  in alternative music itself in comparison to their CCM counterparts who were in worship and
• 23:45
  pop music and more mainstream kind of genres. The music itself had some sort
• 23:51
  of influence on why these artists deconstructed in the way that they did. And
• 23:55
  basically, what you're like saying is like just confirmation of what done in this
• 24:00
  research in this paper is like the ethics of punk the sort of like yeah,
• 24:06
  like that is a massive part of like your own journey and what you
• 24:10
  were influenced by, especially in those early days, whether that whether those punk
• 24:14
  influences were explicitly Christian or not, you were influenced by them. And even
• 24:21
  though you came out of like the Christian world and were in this like quote
• 24:25
  unquote Christian music scene, you were still influenced by these punk influences. And
• 24:30
  at the end of the day. A lot of those influences kind of take
• 24:33
  over some of these or they sort of overcome some of these influences from the
• 24:38
  more authoritarian side of like evangelical Christianity and whatnot. So anyway, like what
• 24:45
  you're describing here, I'm like, oh my God, Like this is just
• 24:47
  like all confirmation to the paper. I go, okay, I want to
• 24:49
  read it. Are you saying that I helped write this paper? Wow?
• 24:53
  Okay. Basically I have a master's by proxy. I think that I think
• 25:00
  that, like I said earlier, I think that maybe maybe we were thinking
• 25:08
  these things before deconstruction was the actual word given to what we were thinking.
• 25:12
  Yeah, we call the backsliding back then, right in some ways, yes,
• 25:17
  or like that's true Heathenism or secular thoughts or you know, or any
• 25:22
  Witchcraft perverse or which yeah, Wigan or like there's all these things that Christians,
• 25:29
  at least from I was in a I was in a what was it,
• 25:33
  non denominational Calvary chapel style or it was covered chapel. It was not
• 25:37
  a nominational West Coast hippie church where all the bands kind of popped out of
• 25:41
  in southern California, right from the tooth and nail scene or whatever, a
• 25:45
  lot of them. And I think that it's the history of that church in
• 25:49
  particular, Like there's been documentaries and movies about the about the invention of this
• 25:53
  church and stuff like that it was created or it was founded on, like
• 25:59
  thele that that God is for everybody, like you don't need education, you
• 26:03
  don't need to have questions and answers. It's like Jesus is the way,
• 26:08
  and the Bible says this, it's that, here's the answer. So they
• 26:12
  created this black and white binary system. Even though it was very simple.
• 26:17
  It was it was seeker friendly. It was not really like totally totally evangelical,
• 26:22
  like you know, there was no like deep theology or high church or
• 26:26
  speaking in tongues or anything like that. I was just like, man,
• 26:29
  you're a sinner. I'm a sinner. Let's let's get together and go to
• 26:33
  heaven kind of thing. So it's like very accessible for everybody, which is
• 26:37
  cool, it's fine whatever. But in that and this is no shade on
• 26:41
  anybody, but there's less there's less like research and education in and like scientific
• 26:47
  study and like all this kind of stuff about that. There's so much more
• 26:49
  to there's so much more to Jesus. I think, I feel like in
• 26:53
  my own personal journey than just the Bible. And that's gonna rub some people
• 26:57
  the wrong way. But I've experienced Jesus in real life, in families,
• 27:03
  in culture, in community, in music, in secular music, in Christian
• 27:08
  music, and all this other stuff in different ways. I think then the
• 27:11
  church can teach you if that makes sense, Like yeah, yeah, so
• 27:18
  if you're living it or or I've seen people living it. And I still
• 27:22
  have really great relationships with a lot of people that I grew up with in
• 27:25
  that community, in that church, people that still take care of me and
• 27:29
  my family in different ways, or like we stay in contact, we're best
• 27:32
  friends, or you know, we take care of each other's kids or blah
• 27:33
  blah blah. There's all these deep rooted connections this fabric, like I said,
• 27:37
  because I don't want to get rid of that, because those are because
• 27:41
  people wise and human wise, they're amazing, amazing people, and we definitely
• 27:45
  definitely have opposite beliefs and views on everything, you know, and they don't
• 27:52
  understand the things that I'm saying in lyrics or whatever, or they don't understand
• 27:56
  how I could see this way or how I could not support this thing that
• 27:59
  they support or whatever vice versa. But we love each other, you know
• 28:03
  what I mean. And so that that's kind of the bottom line. And
• 28:06
  that's like the simplest way to put like how I believe still no matter what
• 28:11
  deconstruction or backsliding or whatever happens in my massive career of Christianity or whatever.
• 28:18
  And it's like, who is Jesus to me? Who is Jesus to you?
• 28:22
  Or who or you don't believe whatever, let's talk about whatever. You
• 28:26
  know, I'm still not You're still going to be my friend or my human
• 28:30
  human being sitting next to me in my kitchen or whatever. You know,
• 28:33
  I don't hate you. It's only you know, it could be so simple,
• 28:37
  It could all be so simple, but people make it hard, you
• 28:41
  know, too hard. It's I don't I don't understand it, and I
• 28:48
  and I I always try to, you know, think about myself as like
• 28:51
  someone who can try to understand everyone else's perspective. That's one perspective I just
• 28:55
  don't understand, Like why why hate someone or or why even like ignore someone.
• 29:03
  Well, it's even as simple as in the one small piece of this
• 29:07
  whole jigsaw puzzle of the music scene is like, oh my gosh, those
• 29:11
  guys were smoking up by the dumpsters after their show, like or just like
• 29:17
  this's like the Bible doesn't say anything about smoking, you know, like there's
• 29:21
  all these like like I said, cherry picked, or like assumptions or I
• 29:23
  think that burning bush was Wow. Yeah, exactly, there's weed in Genesis.
• 29:30
  But anyways, uh, politics, religion, and we covered it all
• 29:34
  Furnace Fest next. Well, I do have one other question room. So
• 29:40
  I grew up in the in the restaurant world man, and I know how
• 29:45
  much time and effort goes into running the logistics and the prep and the actual
• 29:52
  serving of food. How do you do it all? Like for real?
• 29:57
  How do you do it all? Like you have so much energy right now
• 30:02
  and and you're you're you're just looking healthy and happy. And if it was
• 30:07
  me right now, i'd be dragon, asked to Bed. I mean,
• 30:11
  I told you it's pick a ball, baby, just kidding, pick a
• 30:15
  ball something else that they to be honest, it's like I said, it's
• 30:21
  it's I think it's still something I have fun doing, and I can really
• 30:25
  tie all the cooking and stuff that I do all The chef life and the
• 30:29
  chef community in San Diego and southern California is very closely related to the music
• 30:33
  scene and the punk rock life and stuff like that. They're very not just
• 30:37
  intertwined, but I mean people come from people come from the punk world and
• 30:41
  go into chef world and vice versa all the time down here in our coffee
• 30:47
  or distilleries or whatever. And I think it's because a lot of a lot
• 30:52
  of times that might have to do with a little bit of a d D,
• 30:53
  a little bit of ADHD, depending on your prognosis, but it's like
• 30:59
  our brain. Our brains work that way. It's like you wake up and
• 31:02
  be like, oh, I don't want it to work, and then once
• 31:03
  you're at work or whatever or in the kitchen, it's like, oh my
• 31:06
  gosh, there's so much stuff I could be doing and creating. Whether that's
• 31:11
  I mean, that's in the kitchen. And then the other hand, if
• 31:12
  music is like journaling, poetry, making music, writing music, talking to
• 31:17
  your music friends or whatever, those two are very synonymous or you know,
• 31:21
  very or no not some congruent. And I think that it works really well
• 31:25
  for me personally because I do have all this energy, and I need somewhere
• 31:30
  to put that. When I go into a kitchen at five in the morning,
• 31:33
  or if it's a five in the morning shift, I'm sometimes I just
• 31:36
  need silence to kind of like wake up and do stuff. But then in
• 31:41
  the thought world or the spiritual realm, the thoughts kind of start coming out
• 31:45
  of my out of my system and into the air, and then they're just
• 31:48
  thoughts everywhere. There's like this everything's everywhere. So I need to put on
• 31:52
  something crazy to kind of like focus. I need to put on something wild
• 31:59
  in the more that's that'll let me like hear the song, and that'll that'll
• 32:02
  all the thoughts can kind of like go into that speaker and then I can
• 32:06
  like focus on prepless ordering, scheduling, costs of good stuff like that.
• 32:12
  So thank you and it thank you weekend nachos for doing your thing, and
• 32:17
  I'm gonna move on to the next task until my next staff member comes in,
• 32:22
  or if I'm the last person in the kitchen, I'm alone with my
• 32:24
  thoughts. I need I should really put music on so I can get more
• 32:29
  work done. Do you do you prefer working with people or do you prefer
• 32:34
  working alone? More As a shell. I think. I think working with
• 32:37
  people is really good for me too, because you know, I like to
• 32:43
  I can they can laugh at my jokes. I can make puns and then
• 32:47
  uh. But but also you know, the team has different questions about different
• 32:51
  things because at our company where we're doing we're doing boutique catering or whatever,
• 32:54
  so there's like a lot of different little events with custom menus and stuff like
• 32:58
  that. So there's a lot of a lot of details, which is actually
• 33:00
  kind of hard for me. But I can rely on other team members to
• 33:05
  work out the details of different things, and they can rely on me for
• 33:08
  like ordering the right amount of fish or whatever. And then also if they
• 33:13
  get stuck on we're tired of our music playlist? Can you think of anything?
• 33:16
  Yes, I have a lot of music to offer you. Yeah,
• 33:20
  here check this out. Here's here's something here, check here to chewe.
• 33:23
  I wrote a whole album about his mom dying. Here check this out,
• 33:25
  you know or whatever. Yeah, there's lots of lots of good choices.
• 33:30
  So I've never been like in the the professional restaurant industry. However, it's
• 33:37
  not too late. Well it might, it might kill me. But however,
• 33:44
  I have for the last like five or six years, really dabbled in
• 33:47
  the home cook world. And like, you know, Colin knows this.
• 33:51
  A lot of other people that know me well know that I love cooking.
• 33:54
  Now, like that's a that's a whole part of my identity at this point.
• 33:58
  And I like and Colin has been cooking his whole life, and he's
• 34:00
  an incredible cook sometimes sometimes. But there's like two things primarily that I've noticed
• 34:09
  in my own like cooking life, and I'd love to hear from you like
• 34:14
  what those two maybe like one or two things are. There's two things that
• 34:17
  like give me the rush of endorphins, one of which is putting a dish
• 34:25
  on the table for a group of people and the presentation and then they start
• 34:30
  digging into the dish itself and they just like it's basically like a oh fuck
• 34:36
  kind of like reaction Like that just sends it that is that's like that's a
• 34:44
  that's like a good indor like that that doesn't obviously happen with every dish clearly
• 34:49
  does not happen, but every now and then I'm able to like figure out
• 34:52
  a dish that that's like that's the reaction is like oh fuck, this is
• 34:57
  so good, like I need this again. For example, at that what's
• 35:00
  that? For example? I mean nothing that like there's nothing new that I
• 35:05
  make, but it's just like a really good like carnita or something like that,
• 35:07
  right, You're just like you make a really good carnita and nobody's ever
• 35:12
  had, like you know, people that you know, I grew up with
• 35:15
  or whatever, like they haven't had a really good like homemade carnita or something
• 35:17
  like this, right okay, or like really good butter chicken or whatever.
• 35:20
  It is, like it's just me anything, but they're just like, oh
• 35:22
  my god, I need that again. Like even my very Midwestern family that
• 35:28
  doesn't even know what salt is, they were I made them sahuka a few
• 35:31
  months ago and they were like, please make this again, and even and
• 35:36
  even like they have no refined tastes in anything at all, but they're even
• 35:39
  like oh right, like they just like I need sashuka again. So that's
• 35:45
  one example of an endorphin rush for me. Is when I make something,
• 35:51
  uh, typically like a dish that I haven't created myself, it's just like
• 35:54
  a it's a you know, like a classic version that I'm making of something,
• 36:01
  and they're just like I need that again. The second one is when
• 36:05
  I'm able to, like I just like look at my fridge and I look
• 36:09
  at my cabinet, and I just am like, I have nothing going on
• 36:15
  here, Like I like I would either have to like buy a bunch of
• 36:19
  new like items or whatever. And then I just like I look at what
• 36:22
  I have available, and I just like figure out based on like, all
• 36:24
  right, I know this technique and I know that this like ingredient will balance
• 36:30
  well with this ingredient, and YadA YadA YadA, right, like you just
• 36:31
  you kind of figure it out, and then all of a sudden, you
• 36:34
  just like throw some stuff together and it turns out great. That's like the
• 36:38
  other endorphin rush for me, even even if it doesn't impress other people,
• 36:42
  the fact that I'm able to put together like a bunch of things that you
• 36:45
  wouldn't you wouldn't assume would go together. But you just like know flavor profiles
• 36:51
  and how flavors balance each other and how techniques work. You just like figure
• 36:55
  that out, and all of a sudden you create something new based on just
• 36:59
  like whatever availability you have in your fridge and your pantry. Like that's a
• 37:04
  that's a like a cool moment for me too is when that happens. So
• 37:07
  anyway, those are like the two moments in my like cooking experience where that
• 37:12
  like gives me the Russiam endorphins. I'm curious, like for you, like
• 37:15
  what what have you experienced as like oh my god, Like that's what's like
• 37:19
  giving me the who's to keep doing this? Right? I mean, I
• 37:22
  mean, yeah, you it's it's very akin And I have the unique blessing.
• 37:28
  I'm not the only person, but to be able to have to have
• 37:30
  done music and put out music and have people hear the music, and you
• 37:37
  know, a handful of people say I really like that. And now in
• 37:40
  the food world have the same experience, but with food as the art instead
• 37:45
  of music. So you know, and we're making you know, there's like
• 37:51
  a thousand things on our menu, but also sometimes the funnest things to make
• 37:54
  are not on the menu. Right. I'm tired of making the same thing
• 37:59
  for the same bridle party every single week or whatever. So here I want
• 38:02
  to try something new, and I often challenge my chefs to do the same
• 38:06
  thing. We try to change it up because there's always like new produce and
• 38:10
  stuff like that. Different fruits or seasonal or fish that's seasonal or whatever.
• 38:15
  But I have fun doing that same thing, even if it's something as simple
• 38:20
  as, oh my gosh, I just made this hot sauce this last week
• 38:22
  that was out of this world. Here try it, and then having my
• 38:27
  other chefs go, oh my gosh, that's the best sauce I've ever had,
• 38:29
  or how did you do that? Like, because it we're so used
• 38:31
  to making the same thing. It could be the same rote experience of the
• 38:37
  same class every day, or the same music song or music writing every day.
• 38:42
  Then we get into whatever industry, you know, just over and over
• 38:44
  again, same thing. But oh my gosh, you put this one little,
• 38:46
  one percent new thing and it just sparks joy and imagination and you remember
• 38:52
  why you do it if you tell somebody about or I mean, even on
• 38:59
  the human we were just talking about with the questioning and the challenging and the
• 39:02
  theology is like you meet another person that has maybe the same percentage of experience
• 39:07
  or oh my gosh, that totally relates to me, so that brings you
• 39:13
  into their experience also, and then that collaborative experience multiplies. I was telling
• 39:20
  Matt this, I was blah, blah bah. I was telling Matt Carter,
• 39:24
  He's like, how does that work with you? And you do like
• 39:27
  a food and music pairing, And I said, for the easiest example is
• 39:30
  I pick up, I pick a song that pairs with this dish, because
• 39:35
  one time in Ninsanada, I had this the best fish taco of my life,
• 39:39
  and then I was driving home and I heard this song, and now
• 39:44
  I have that song always related to that fish taco, Right, So that's
• 39:47
  your experience with that food. And then now I put a beverage pairing on
• 39:51
  that. I'm going to pair this fish tago with this mitchelada with this Mexican
• 39:53
  logger made by this local craft brewery. And now those three things are put
• 39:58
  together because it's your I gave you an experience that stimulated more than just one
• 40:02
  sense. Right, It's more than just your ears or your your smell,
• 40:07
  or your taste or your eyes or whatever, or your touch. You're sitting
• 40:10
  next to somebody and you're like, oh my gosh, you know this is
• 40:14
  amazing or whatever. If you can stimulate more than one sense. So it's
• 40:17
  like if I'm just for example, this last the last the last hot sauce
• 40:22
  I made was just yesterday was like Persian cucumber and golden raisin and serrano peppers
• 40:29
  into blended into a hot sauce, right right, So that's that was a
• 40:32
  fresh one. There's no fermenting, there's no cooking, just raw gradients blended.
• 40:37
  And then I let it sit for a day and we tasted it the
• 40:40
  next day and I served it at lunch today to my chef team and they're
• 40:44
  like, what what the hell is this? What is this sauce? And
• 40:46
  I've never had anything like that. I can taste the cucumbers. Did you
• 40:49
  put golden raisins as Wow? So we have this like experience together where they're
• 40:52
  like having fun with it. So that adds another element to it. So
• 40:55
  what what did what was the color of it? Green? Just all green?
• 41:00
  So the cucumber kind of takes over the golden raisin. The golden reasin
• 41:04
  is more for like, yeah, I use golden raisins because of like a
• 41:07
  binder and a sweetener because they're like, you know, gummy and things.
• 41:09
  But the pepper is serrano. When you said serranos, yeah, so bright
• 41:13
  green? Oh yeah yeah, So the sauce is totally bright green. But
• 41:16
  they're like, I've never had anything like this because it has a hint of
• 41:19
  sweetness. It's it's very spicy because it's totally raw, there's nothing cooked out,
• 41:23
  and the cucumbers just added like this coolness. It's almost like a spicy
• 41:27
  Gus spotshow or something. Yeah, So it adds an element of fun and
• 41:30
  curiosity to it, like when you put the plate. When you put your
• 41:35
  plate down in front of someone, even if it's calling somebody you know or
• 41:37
  a new guest or a restaurant or whatever, you're going to experience that feeling
• 41:43
  because they're experiencing that feeling like oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, I
• 41:45
  can't wait for them to try it, Oh my gosh. And then you
• 41:47
  put it down. But then you see their eyes just like a ratitude.
• 41:51
  When the food critic tastes the taste the ratitude and he drops his fork.
• 41:53
  It's like you're bringing them to a place. You're taking him back to a
• 41:58
  place of his childhood or I'm bringing you to my place of here's this dude.
• 42:02
  I heard this like punk song by this Mexican punk band when we went
• 42:06
  to this Carneal Solid party when we played in Mexico, and they gave me
• 42:09
  the best food of my life, and I don't know what it was,
• 42:13
  but I'm going to try to emulate that here for you. I'm giving this
• 42:15
  to you. I'm giving you this experience. We're sharing this. And that's
• 42:20
  kind of what I tried to do with the music. Not everybody got it
• 42:22
  because maybe it was two in my head, too artistic about it. No,
• 42:25
  I love, I love I love the food and music pairing. Even
• 42:31
  I paid that. I mean even, but I was saying, even with
• 42:35
  my stuff that I had recorded with the band, like when I try to
• 42:37
  get too heady about or like two in my own questions about like God,
• 42:43
  where are you? Or like you know, hey, hey world, how
• 42:45
  about hey, look at all these homeless people in the street. How can
• 42:47
  we help them at the church or whatever? In a punk song that's two
• 42:51
  minutes long, whatever, how do we answer these questions or whatever or ask
• 42:53
  these questions without being tread upon. So I think that's still what I kind
• 43:01
  of try to do in the chef world and so at, And I'm now
• 43:06
  with the food and music pairings at the podcast. I'm trying to take it
• 43:08
  to the festival level at Furnace Fest and do Furnace feast. Hell yeah,
• 43:15
  furnace feast. So I already I've been talking to them. There's a lot
• 43:20
  of people in the food industry that I know who are going. Who feels
• 43:23
  like half the people at the furnest Fest festival are the the like you know,
• 43:29
  whether they're like in the bartender world or restaurant where. I mean,
• 43:32
  they're just exactly there's some sort of like food industry world that almost everybody seems
• 43:37
  to be at. It's true. And I know, in particular, I
• 43:40
  know some people from San Diego and southern California who are in the food world
• 43:44
  who are going as fans. They're not evening they might bring food stuff now
• 43:47
  that I've told them this idea, either maybe after Sunday night or maybe maybe
• 43:52
  even the day after. I don't even know, but like just something to
• 43:54
  bring food and music together, because I know there's already food there. I
• 43:59
  know there's already brewery behind one of the stages or whatever. So like,
• 44:01
  let's let's do it together because everyone there's hungry and thirsty. Why not you
• 44:07
  know there's already foods are beverage sponsors, So let's let's make something happen,
• 44:09
  I said, I told them I said, they can be as easy or
• 44:13
  as elaborate as you want to get. I'm choosing easy. But but we
• 44:15
  can do we can do like cocktails, we can do beverage, na beverages,
• 44:20
  we can do all kinds of stuff. And I can do I mean,
• 44:22
  we can do like an emo night kind of playlist whatever, you know,
• 44:24
  like, yeah, let's have fun. People are there, people spent
• 44:28
  money to have fun. Maybe not every single person at frinis vest likes the
• 44:30
  headliner that night. Let's let's get crazy, you know, So why not?
• 44:36
  Why not? I was gonna I was gonna ask, like, you
• 44:40
  know, knowing your background with food, music, all of this stuff,
• 44:45
  I mean, it's just like it feels like a great place to go to
• 44:51
  Birmingham, Alabama as Josh Kemball and experiment with this music that you grew up
• 44:59
  with and love and we're part of that scene. And also to pair that
• 45:04
  with a bunch of people that have like a lot of those people who have
• 45:07
  been in the food industry and who love food. Let's just be honest,
• 45:12
  like a lot of furnace Fest people, especially if you get like meat protein
• 45:16
  in there, it's gonna be a whole slew of furness fest. People are
• 45:20
  gonna be like all about that meat protein shit. So I mean it's just
• 45:23
  like it's like it just feels like a great, perfect pairing. Well,
• 45:27
  I don't see why why it wouldn't or shouldn't happen. My only my only
• 45:30
  concern is that I'm I'm not there, gonna be there the whole weekend because
• 45:34
  I'm actually working a little bit on Friday and Saturday, so I'm gonna come
• 45:37
  after, so it has to be like later in the festival. But like
• 45:43
  you said, everyone there, I think everyone there wants it. They just
• 45:46
  don't know that they want it, that's right. It's like the food.
• 45:51
  There's food there, there's trucks there, there's drinks or whatever. But it's
• 45:53
  like, let's do let's really like, let's throw a party. It's also
• 45:57
  I mean, let's be honest. It's the last or so they say,
• 45:59
  it's last forest, so let's throw a huge dude, let me curate this
• 46:04
  for you. So they're kind of on board. Somebody's on board like that
• 46:07
  where you getting balls rolling? Those balls rolling? You know, it's always
• 46:10
  good when balls are rolling. Yeah, I love it. There will be
• 46:14
  a lot of balls rolling. If there's a lot of balls. Yeah,
• 46:16
  so mostly balls right now. The balls are rolling, they're in place,
• 46:20
  they're rolling and uh yeah, balls are rolling. So is this going to
• 46:27
  be like in lieu of the headliner or is this going to be after the
• 46:32
  festival? Okay, so it'll probably Well, the idea is that it won't
• 46:38
  interfere with anything in the at the festival. Okay, So like if somebody's
• 46:43
  selling food at the festival, they'll still do that. This is like a
• 46:45
  separately separate kind of thing. But it's but but the you can't get away
• 46:51
  from the name for his feast. Yeah, that's perfect, I have to.
• 46:54
  Yeah, well there you go. You get a shirt to sell too,
• 46:58
  I got, you know, so I got like I'm talking to like
• 47:00
  people who make you know, ingredients for cocktails and people who make hot sauces
• 47:06
  and people who are brewing in Alabama. So I'm definitely getting the tentacles out
• 47:08
  there. But like and then doing food puns and food drink puns based on
• 47:14
  the bands. Right, So furnace feast is already the major pun. And
• 47:17
  there's sub puns. There's a list of sub puns, all right, give
• 47:22
  us one. I don't know, I mean think of how many bands are
• 47:24
  playing and then like every like when I went on Yeah, I went on
• 47:28
  Mike Hers podcast and I gave him like one hundred food puns based on his
• 47:31
  songs, you know, so like you know what I mean. So like
• 47:35
  there's so many based you can based on the artist or the songs or something
• 47:37
  like you take the most popular album. Yeah yeah, so like at at
• 47:43
  at Furnace Fest, give us one food based pun for a band that you're
• 47:49
  or are a song from a band that's gonna be playing there. Well,
• 47:53
  somebody threw somebody gave me an idea for for Dogwood. Okay, if you
• 47:58
  find if I can find a mead, a mead a metiery out there in
• 48:01
  Birmingham and do Dogwood building a better mead? Oh I like it. So
• 48:07
  I was like, Okay, I I don't have any control over that,
• 48:09
  but I could research that, you know, so that would be something for
• 48:13
  example, or like I know suits here Hot Sauce does something with poison the
• 48:15
  well they have a song called Bachla. Their Hot Sauce is Hotchla. Sure,
• 48:22
  that's so. The things are already happening. These things are already in
• 48:24
  place, right, These balls have already rolled into place, so like who
• 48:30
  who's there? Like what like August Burns Red. You know you kind of
• 48:34
  play enchiladas with red sauce August Burns red red sauce or drink wise, there's
• 48:40
  what the maybe maybe blindside something with like a Southsider like some kind of like
• 48:46
  it's something with the name take the name of the group who's already playing it,
• 48:50
  but or you find like it just depends on some because if the band
• 48:53
  is gone, they played on Friday and they're gone by Sunday night, orders
• 48:58
  like maybe that band doesn't have any participation in the festival. In the feestival,
• 49:01
  I mean yeah, yeah, but if we did like the Black Sheep
• 49:06
  podcast, I would maybe do like the sheep dish like sheep meat dish,
• 49:10
  yes, the or some mutton or whatever, you know, like we actually
• 49:15
  do a lot of lamb and stuff like that. I know there's a separate
• 49:16
  animals, but so it would be something based on like that. Yeah,
• 49:22
  like what's what's your who's your favorite band playing Colin at the festival? Blind
• 49:25
  side is Oh, it's funny, I should mention, yeah, So or
• 49:30
  you could do a side of like a blind side of beef or like you
• 49:32
  know, like blind Side of Beef. Oh my gosh, that's that's brilliant
• 49:36
  that I was talking to because I was talking to Schwab about the new he
• 49:39
  did like two projecated six albums, and I was like, Okay, we're
• 49:43
  gonna talk about I want to do a food thing with you because he's a
• 49:45
  he's a huge foodie. And I took all of his late his titles and
• 49:47
  I made like three dish titles based on each song of his things or what
• 49:52
  he's like, Oh my gosh, it's flying. Those are really good Andrew
• 49:59
  so so like that. So it's basically like, who wants to participate?
• 50:02
  How wis your most popular song? Let's make fun of it. Yeah,
• 50:07
  yeah, it's not. It's not let's have fun with it. It's like,
• 50:08
  let's make fun of it. Yeah, make make a menude them out
• 50:12
  of it because the fans, it's really the fans who would love it.
• 50:14
  Right, it's like, oh my gosh, I get it. Building a
• 50:16
  better meat, oh my gosh or whatever. Yeah, or you can do
• 50:20
  like uh more than kum quats. I mean it can be done. It
• 50:24
  can be done, except by the time we get there in October, cum
• 50:28
  quats might be out of season in that area. Yeah, that's true.
• 50:30
  That's true. Speaking of which, it's gonna be the More Than Conquerors lineup
• 50:36
  right, that's that's gonna be playing. Yes, So my guys are so
• 50:40
  funny. The furnest best announced. I think one of the San Diego bands
• 50:45
  they announced, like either Nonice and Victim or Noise Ratchet. Those are our
• 50:50
  homies because they're from San Diego. And Sean, our guitar player for a
• 50:52
  long time, reached out to us like on a group text. He's like,
• 50:55
  why aren't we playing this? He's like, every single all of our
• 51:00
  friends are playing this. They're like, where are we? I was like,
• 51:02
  oh, I mean they asked us. I thought you didn't want I
• 51:05
  just thought you didn't maybe want to do it. He's like, no,
• 51:07
  we should do it. And everyone's like I'm in. I'm one hundred percent
• 51:09
  and let's do it. I'm like, oh, okay, I'll reach out,
• 51:13
  reach back out to chat or whatever. You know. That's really cool.
• 51:15
  So I was like, hey, I guess everyone wants to do it,
• 51:19
  and they're like, yeah, let's make something happen. Yeah, it's
• 51:22
  awesome. So that's that's kind. They all wanted to do it, so
• 51:24
  we made it. We did it. So we're going to be We're gonna
• 51:28
  do some merch drops, maybe doing like an online store, and then maybe
• 51:32
  some food collabs, maybe a coffee of hot sauce, you know, fun
• 51:37
  stuff, socks, whatever, because I mean, we're not the headliner,
• 51:39
  but like we're going to be there and I'm going to be doing this furnest
• 51:43
  feast, so like, yeah, let's have fun. You know. I
• 51:47
  thought I might have picked up on some hints from not just one person,
• 51:52
  but a couple of people that some vinyl might be in the works as well.
• 51:59
  Man, And this is always this has been final only works for like
• 52:00
  twenty years. Baby, I could I could. I mean, I think
• 52:07
  I could see it happening. There's I mean, if you're if you're talking
• 52:09
  about Jason, We've always been talking about doing something, and I think I
• 52:14
  think now it would be a good time to do it. We just have
• 52:15
  to decide, like what's the best thing to do, because we have kind
• 52:21
  of a lot a lot to offer. And I was like, okay,
• 52:22
  well here's here's a couple options. Is it is the twenty fifth year anniversary
• 52:28
  of one of the conquerors, and what we probably be playing a lot of
• 52:30
  songs or from the in the set, from that album or good ratio on
• 52:36
  the set, if that makes sense, right, Souse. We're not gonna
• 52:38
  be playing for three hours, you know, we got we gotta cram it
• 52:40
  all into our set time whatever that is. And then or we are probably
• 52:45
  our most beloved album is billion Better Me or you know, even though most
• 52:49
  it's funny because most of the hits that we play are from more than Conquerors
• 52:52
  or whatever in general, but then Billion Bite Me is like the most beloved
• 52:55
  album. I think it's because of an album as a whole, maybe because
• 52:59
  the art work and the Simpsons and the whole that all the stories. So
• 53:02
  it's kind of maybe those two might be. Because he was talking about like
• 53:05
  best I was like, we did a best of or plays. I don't
• 53:07
  know, it's hard to pick because you only get one chance, right.
• 53:10
  But then there's other labels that I have reached out and said, hey,
• 53:13
  we want to repress like all stuff like before too. Then I was like,
• 53:16
  oh, dang, are you getting crazy? Or the live album or
• 53:22
  I was like, man, if I go, you do it, you
• 53:25
  just show me, just send it to the festival and have it. I
• 53:28
  don't care if you want to do it, do it, and because I
• 53:30
  don't, basically because also I have to. I have to if I have
• 53:34
  it, all this stuff there and we don't sell it, I have to
• 53:36
  bring all that stuff home, right, and you've already got too many irons
• 53:38
  in the fire I got. I have to What am I gonna keep this
• 53:40
  in my kitchen? I promised you it would, it would sell out.
• 53:44
  You know, you just do a limited run. I guarantee you it.
• 53:45
  Oh yeah, it's not gonna it's it's gonna be small amounts. But like
• 53:47
  like I said, like we're playing, you know, one set, and
• 53:52
  we're not playing. We're not gonna be there for the whole festival. So
• 53:54
  it's like it has to be like we have to sell all this stuff.
• 53:58
  We have to get rid of the stort, not get rid of it,
• 54:00
  but like I want everyone who is coming to get the stuff too, So
• 54:02
  like you have to. It's a balance, like do I make it ten
• 54:06
  things? Do I make a thousand things? I don't even know, you
• 54:07
  know, I don't even know how many people are France fst good question.
• 54:10
  I don't know how many people are either I'm surprised they never did release like
• 54:15
  a total attendance. I feel like this year is going to be the biggest
• 54:17
  year, right, Like that feel I feel like it should be kind of
• 54:20
  asked me, Right, well, I think the largest year, I don't
• 54:23
  know if it was last year, maybe it was the year before. The
• 54:25
  largest year was like twelve thousand something like that. Okay, that's quite a
• 54:30
  bit m hm. So twelve thousand pairs of socks, got it, and
• 54:35
  you just got to get one twelfth of the people to buy something, You're
• 54:37
  good to go. Okay, So that's that's good to know. But yeah,
• 54:42
  so lots of fun stuff in the works and it's just gonna be good
• 54:45
  to see all. Like, Like I told Chat, I was like,
• 54:46
  man, you gotta have a San Diego stage. You just gotta have like
• 54:49
  pull all the bands off the roster, all the San Diego bands make it
• 54:52
  their own stage. Yeah. Yeah, that's noise, actually, pody.
• 54:54
  No one is a victim noise. So the undertakings just too Yeah. I
• 55:00
  do have a confession to make, So for a moment, I was sort
• 55:05
  of like checked out for a second. If you guys didn't notice a reason
• 55:07
  why though I did for a good reason. So you were talking about furnace
• 55:10
  feast and you're like, hey, it might happen after the festival. I
• 55:15
  looked at my flight and realize, at least right now, my flight is
• 55:19
  booked literally like out basically like early morning from Atlanta on Monday morning, and
• 55:27
  I was like, if I want to do a furnace feast, there's no
• 55:29
  way that's gonna happen. So I literally, just as as we were talking,
• 55:34
  I'm like, I got to rebook, Like there's no way. Sorry.
• 55:37
  So this is why he had just rebooked. I was able to rebook
• 55:39
  without having to pay any extra fees. So I just rebooked. Now I'm
• 55:44
  going to be leaving out of Atlanta on Tuesday, So now you are able
• 55:50
  to do furnace feast on either that Sunday or that Monday. I'll be around
• 55:54
  now okay, I mean, am I okay? This might be just the
• 55:59
  scorpio in me, but like why not, right? Why why not do
• 56:04
  it? It's the last chance to do it? Good point, you know
• 56:07
  what I mean, Like how we would be stupid not to do it?
• 56:12
  And I agree, and I'll take that to my grave. You you would
• 56:15
  be stupid not to do it for his fest. So but also I've been
• 56:19
  talking, so they put me in touch with like what like work play or
• 56:22
  something like that, like around Birmingham. Okay, yeah, so like he
• 56:27
  they're into it, they're into the idea. So I'm like, let's talk,
• 56:30
  you know, let's make it happen. I mean, it's a long
• 56:31
  ways for now, but like it's not that long. Don't scare me like
• 56:37
  that, man, Like Christmas. It's like Christmas sixty seven weeks still Christmas.
• 56:46
  But yeah, so I'll be there. So I'll be there because I
• 56:49
  was going to go. I was gonna go regardless. I was going to
• 56:51
  fly out for the festival without even without the band playing, because like so
• 56:55
  many good bands playing, I was gonna jump on stage. You know,
• 56:59
  I'm gonna be probably doing a couple of some singing with some some of the
• 57:04
  bands on stage stuff. So it's gonna be a great It's gonna be a
• 57:07
  good time to go. Because also when we were touring actively and Furnescevest was
• 57:13
  active, we were always going opposite directions. I meant, was not moving.
• 57:16
  It was always there. We were going the other way, you know,
• 57:19
  because it was at that our touring cycle. So we never really got
• 57:22
  you're just going back home, Yes, exactly. Yeah, sometimes this is
• 57:27
  the way things go. It is time to get into uh oh, the
• 57:32
  guilty pleasures of Joshua the you're gonna talk about the Olympics. That's that's coming
• 57:38
  up too. Got to do the trials first. But let's talk about your
• 57:43
  guilty pleasures here. Are you ready? Yes? Okay, go all right,
• 57:50
  go ahead. Guilty pleasures smoking crack? No, are you talking about
• 57:55
  music? Music? Yeah? Oh, you didn't say you didn't say smoking
• 58:00
  cracks. No, I didn't say that. I knew exactly. I thought.
• 58:05
  I thought it was heroin. But smoking cracks your thing. Smoking meat
• 58:09
  me, I'm a closet case vegan. So let's see the music wise.
• 58:15
  I think I think if you saw me or or like knew that I was
• 58:22
  in Dogwood or you know, punk rocker, smoking crack is your top guilty
• 58:28
  but thousand, that's where that's where I come from, right, But I
• 58:32
  I do like I do, like I have a in my vinyl collection.
• 58:37
  I have a good a good collection of like dub and reggae, so stuff
• 58:42
  like that. So when I spin, if I go spin records at somebody's
• 58:44
  place and they and they asked me to bring music I have. I have.
• 58:49
  I bring a lot of I pepper in punk and hardcore because it doesn't
• 58:52
  always work at a coffee shop to play like Champion or Cat or whatever,
• 58:55
  you know, like yeah, like you know, they're screaming at someone while
• 58:58
  they're buying trying to buy like a Palo Santo latte, you know, or
• 59:01
  whatever. So I have a lot of really cool like maybe some rare records
• 59:07
  that are actually coming from Jamaica or Mexico has a lot of crazy. Yeah,
• 59:12
  So I think a guilty pleasure if you saw me and I'm you know,
• 59:15
  I'm on on my rocket from the crypture and whatever, like it's like,
• 59:19
  oh, this guy he goes to the dive bar, listen is the
• 59:22
  list is the clash and stuff. But that's like I wouldn't call it a
• 59:27
  guilty pleasure. I think it's just it's good music. And but you wouldn't.
• 59:30
  I don't think you would assume that about me, that I listened to
• 59:31
  that music or whatever. You know. Yeah, so if I'm in the
• 59:35
  if I'm in the kitchen and I'm putting there, like you put something on
• 59:38
  chef, like okay, and I'll put on like something like rock steady music
• 59:43
  like that, like it has a good it has a good flow to it's
• 59:45
  you don't want to put on mellow reggae like kind of like to Bob Marley
• 59:50
  ish or whatever, because that can't lay it back too much. No,
• 59:52
  they get they get slow, they start to like get tired. You have
• 59:57
  to put on you have to keep upbeats, so like the actual like two
• 1:00:00
  tone ska stuff. And so because when I tell people Scots sometimes they're like,
• 1:00:04
  oh, you like real big fish and I'm like, no, I
• 1:00:07
  mean, I mean sure, sure, but what like that's not what I'm
• 1:00:10
  really like putting on, like you know, So, so that's that's one.
• 1:00:15
  You know, Oh man, I don't want to have so many guilty
• 1:00:17
  pleasures. This is scary, this is this is embarrassing. And then I
• 1:00:22
  think I also have in in my in that collection, I also have stuff
• 1:00:27
  like like uh, I don't know what the genre would be, maybe like
• 1:00:31
  I don't even know if it's I guess it's R and B or smooth R
• 1:00:34
  and B smooth soul, but like George Benson like that kind of like you
• 1:00:37
  put on Jimmy McGriff, George Benson Radio. On your streaming, you'll get
• 1:00:43
  like some really good you'll get really good songs that you didn't know that you
• 1:00:45
  knew, but you know the songs totally. Maybe because your parents, because
• 1:00:50
  you were conceived by them. I was gonna say, because your parents are
• 1:00:52
  having I was gonna say because your parents work in a dentist office or a
• 1:00:57
  medical office. But sure, yeah, I mean, hey, it's it's
• 1:01:00
  it's biblical Christians be fucking but yeah, So stuff like that is like you
• 1:01:08
  can hear it because when you play those songs, you can hear that.
• 1:01:13
  You can hear where other people took samples from influences favorite things to do dude,
• 1:01:19
  like stuff like so George Benson bos skags like those kinds of stuff,
• 1:01:22
  like all the hip hop artists have sampled from them, and people don't give
• 1:01:27
  those artists necessarily the credit because but everyone's sampling from those artists. You know,
• 1:01:31
  Luther Vandross like all the stuff. So like Lobby Lobby Frey. I
• 1:01:36
  don't know how if that's exactly how you say his name. He's got the
• 1:01:39
  song that no I'm forgetting a Snoop Snoop Dogg sampled it snoop dogeah, No,
• 1:01:50
  No, that's that's just George Clinton. No, I'm getting my songs
• 1:01:53
  missed up. Anyways, it's a and M song that he that was that
• 1:02:01
  was sampled from it. It's one of the greatest songs I've ever heard.
• 1:02:06
  And now I'm forgetting the name of it and like it up real quick.
• 1:02:08
  Yeah, we'll put it on. We'll put on the post production. Yeah
• 1:02:10
  we will. Oh my gosh, I got the dot dot dot Oh yeah
• 1:02:17
  yeah, yeah, great song through and through. Good sample, good sample.
• 1:02:22
  And I think I think that another I wouldn't may I would call it
• 1:02:28
  guilty pleasure because because I listened to it like a lot is I'm well,
• 1:02:37
  it's not, it's not. I wouldn't even admit this is a guilty pleasure.
• 1:02:40
  But like I think my first my first CD that I bought with my
• 1:02:46
  own money, a compact disc, if you remember that, it was usually
• 1:02:50
  a guilty pleasure. I'm excited for this. Yeah, and it was actually
• 1:02:52
  it was actually boys to Men. Yeah, that is what I'm talking about.
• 1:03:00
  Because I heard a song and I was like, well, because they
• 1:03:01
  had cred, they had street cred from all the rap guys from like the
• 1:03:05
  Philly guys from like bel Bit, Devaue and all those guys. But the
• 1:03:09
  guys in the band when you listen to the record, they're incredible singers.
• 1:03:15
  So this was before they got really really big, you know, had songs
• 1:03:19
  on the radio and stuff like that. So like I bought Voice to Men
• 1:03:22
  and the second one the same day. I bought him on the same day.
• 1:03:24
  But the first one I actually bought was The Boys to Men and I
• 1:03:28
  also bought Offspring Smash, right, so what a combo? So those are
• 1:03:32
  both of those are a combo. It's a combo three and four guilty pleasure
• 1:03:37
  because because Offspring kind of slowly went into like trash territory. Yeah, they
• 1:03:45
  rolled that line very so I saw I started seeing Offspring on like snowboarding videos
• 1:03:49
  like I'm all in, I'm all in, He's he I everyone said,
• 1:03:52
  my voice sounded like that, like super high pitch, and like our span
• 1:03:55
  was like you know, drop d octaves and lah blah blah blah, and
• 1:03:59
  then I'm so ignition and Smash and then I think I maybe fell off after
• 1:04:03
  right after that, But those are I bought those them on the same day
• 1:04:08
  because my dad was like a crooked guy and he had stolen a CD discmand
• 1:04:13
  for me for my birthday. Here you go, kid, you know.
• 1:04:18
  So I had to get CDs to play on it because I had all cassettes.
• 1:04:21
  So I got CDs. So Boys to Men and but but if you
• 1:04:27
  listen to if you actually take the time and listen to the Boys to Men,
• 1:04:31
  what's it called? Is it called Mojohn Philly or something like that.
• 1:04:34
  It's the it's their first record. They're just super, super incredible singers.
• 1:04:39
  And I could never emulate. I can never try to. I could never
• 1:04:42
  sing that good. And I was always jealous of that, like, how
• 1:04:45
  do they sing so good? Oh my gosh. And I read Questlove's book
• 1:04:47
  and he knows those guys and he kind of talks about them in the book
• 1:04:50
  and they started he found them, he kind of they would just practice every
• 1:04:54
  day in the bathroom at high school. Wow, because the acoustics and they
• 1:04:58
  were amazing. Right, So anyways, tidbit, transient, tangent, tidbit.
• 1:05:03
  So that that's a combo, guilty pleasure. That's a combo. I
• 1:05:06
  haven't had a combo yet. We have had a couple, but I do
• 1:05:11
  like you made like double guns there. That was pretty yeah, pretty gangster
• 1:05:14
  of you. I was trying to make fabric anyways, and then guilt guilty,
• 1:05:19
  and then I think, I think, and I think, I don't
• 1:05:21
  know, and again I don't know if it's a guilty pleasure. But I
• 1:05:24
  actually really like the old like kind of Disney soundtrack records, like like that
• 1:05:31
  is that is the quinte essential guilty pleasure. I love it? Is that
• 1:05:39
  good? Like no nineties Disney, seventies, sixties of the South stuff,
• 1:05:45
  no, never that that. But I know the songs. I'm not gonna
• 1:05:49
  lie. I I know every I know every. I know every single like
• 1:05:54
  old Disney song like before pre I would say, pre Little Mermaid, okay,
• 1:05:59
  era so pre that, so after that whatever, I know, the
• 1:06:01
  big hits like Phil Collins or whatever. But like like the vinyl that the
• 1:06:06
  little books that came with vinyl, like Turned the Day Watch. You know
• 1:06:10
  it's no white so like stuff like that. But like I always thought,
• 1:06:13
  oh my gosh, these songs are incredible, like the Haunted Mansion or like
• 1:06:16
  Fantasia or like Sleeping Beauty like and I and I know those songs by heart,
• 1:06:20
  oh Mary Poppins, because I had because we were poor and we had
• 1:06:26
  VHS tapes and my dad would record three movies on one tape, and so
• 1:06:30
  I but we only had four tapes. So I memorized like twelve movies because
• 1:06:32
  that's all we had, And so I knew. I knew all the songs.
• 1:06:35
  I knew Back to the Future and Super Bowl whatever and Mary Poppins because
• 1:06:41
  they were all on one tape. And that's so I think. I feel
• 1:06:45
  like now a guilty pleasure is knowing musicals and Disney stuff like that, because
• 1:06:51
  they used to have full orchestras just for like three minute cartoons, you know.
• 1:06:56
  And I was I was always entrenched and enchant hid by that, which
• 1:07:00
  is a total Disney word. Great. I was gonna say, great choice
• 1:07:03
  of words. That's awesome. No, that's a great that's a great list.
• 1:07:08
  I think I'm so guilty right now, and everyone's guilty. Trump was
• 1:07:15
  going to say, we had to mention it, didn't we the grony to
• 1:07:21
  that, all right, Josh, what would you like to plug besides you
• 1:07:27
  two gay lover? Just kidding edit that that's not edited at all. I
• 1:07:36
  think that. I guess if people don't know me from you know, previous
• 1:07:42
  to this, it would be cool to maybe follow my podcast that I do,
• 1:07:45
  the Family Cast, because it's food and music pairings in general on a
• 1:07:49
  regular basis, and you get more of of Josh's wonderful voice just talking at
• 1:07:56
  you on a very special I mean. And then I think that maybe sometimes
• 1:08:00
  he even like doesn't he doesn't realize he's recording, and all of a sudden,
• 1:08:03
  he's just like, hey, baby, he's talking to his microphone,
• 1:08:06
  talking to his microphone, not into it, but to it around it.
• 1:08:12
  I think that I just recently, and I should have been this long time
• 1:08:16
  ago, but I built a Dogwood Instagram page Dogwood Punk, and because we
• 1:08:25
  announced that we were playing furnesce Fest, and so I've been putting stuff on
• 1:08:29
  there like memories, and people have been like, we saw a thing about
• 1:08:31
  that where it was like it was like Dogwood And then like one of the
• 1:08:34
  first follows was for Furnace Fast from the Dogwood count and people were like starting
• 1:08:40
  to be that's why, And I think that's actually where I like, I
• 1:08:45
  screenshoted that like that you guys just you know, started this Instagram account in
• 1:08:49
  the first one of the first follows was was furnace Fest, and I sent
• 1:08:55
  that screenshot to col and I was like, hey, by the way,
• 1:08:57
  that sounds like this might be a thought. We were we were in the
• 1:08:59
  same y'all are detectives. Yeah, and we immediately texted you because okay,
• 1:09:05
  so it's okay, so they're actually we were actually down watching POD when that
• 1:09:10
  happened. Oh funny in I love them. Yeah, yeah, that was
• 1:09:15
  That was a fun show. That was a fun tour they just did.
• 1:09:17
  And yeah, let's see so dog Wood Punk. Yeah, we we talk
• 1:09:24
  sometimes. We talk about Pod in there whatever, but mainly it's memories and
• 1:09:27
  talking about you know, Frinas Fast and whatever. So that's the thing.
• 1:09:30
  What I mean, I don't really know. Those are the kind of places
• 1:09:33
  I hang out on, is like the family cast page, my own page,
• 1:09:35
  whatever. But really just I'll be I guess releasing songs with other people.
• 1:09:41
  As soon as they put him out. I did my part waiting for
• 1:09:44
  them. Oh yeah, so there's like songs and records coming out with with
• 1:09:47
  my voice on it and stuff like that. But yeah, I love that.
• 1:09:50
  You're like a like a a sexy voice gun for hire, Like you
• 1:09:54
  know, I'm like, can I can I do? Got five hundred?
• 1:09:58
  Got six hundred? Right? Yeah, so to the Undertaking. Oh yeah,
• 1:10:03
  Austin gets it for free. But those are super super chill dudes,
• 1:10:09
  and you know, it's just it was just rare to see them playing at
• 1:10:13
  a sold out show with say us in because I've known, you know,
• 1:10:15
  all all those guys, they were all they were all kids and kids when
• 1:10:19
  they when I met them, you know, through through Dogwood coming to shows.
• 1:10:25
  So now they're like out there selling out places. It's really cool to
• 1:10:27
  see that because I feel like we passed the torch to the next generation of
• 1:10:30
  bands that could do this, do this thing, and do it better,
• 1:10:32
  you know, because we didn't know what we were doing, and now they
• 1:10:33
  have all these opportunities to do it. So like, this is so awesome
• 1:10:36
  and those bands will be at for invist. So another another band for the
• 1:10:41
  San Diego stage, Stausen. You know, I really hope that Austin Visser
• 1:10:45
  and and all the other guys from from from the band Mercury, you know,
• 1:10:48
  all those guys. I hope that, uh, I hope that they
• 1:10:53
  started off listening to this are like, oh my gosh, and then they
• 1:10:56
  fast forward to just that moment the talk think about us. They talk so
• 1:11:00
  if you if you didn't listen to the middle. All we've talked about is
• 1:11:03
  innertaking. Yeah, yeah, so so I would. If I did an
• 1:11:09
  undertaking food, it would probably be I would probably do a cookie almost like
• 1:11:13
  like cooked for one minute and be the under baking. Okay, quit,
• 1:11:18
  maybe we took maybe there. Maybe I brought this up last time, but
• 1:11:21
  I can't remember if I did. Do you have a problem with calling cookies
• 1:11:29
  cookies instead of bakis? Yeah, because they're baked not cooked. I mean,
• 1:11:36
  now, how British instead of crisps or something. I mean, I
• 1:11:43
  think that cookies. I mean, no, I don't have a problem with
• 1:11:46
  it, but I will if you if we want, if you want to
• 1:11:47
  fight, we can. We can make some comments about it. I just
• 1:11:53
  to believe the same way as I do, because I think that that's I
• 1:11:56
  don't like that. It makes it uncomfortable cookies. There should be bakies.
• 1:12:00
  We can start. Honestly, baks is a cuter word too. It's a
• 1:12:02
  really cute word, honestly. Honestly, this is a super cute conversation.
• 1:12:06
  Yeah, bakys. That needs to be our revolution, you know, like
• 1:12:13
  hashtag baking all the other revolutions. I think the problem. Here's the here's
• 1:12:16
  the thing, kids, I think the problem with calling it Baky's is now
• 1:12:21
  now that there's a CBD shop every every four buildings, that it just sounds
• 1:12:27
  like edibles, which actually might be a good name for you know what,
• 1:12:32
  They all should be edibles. Maybe they're gonna have the feast. Who knows,
• 1:12:36
  Maybe I like it can get your Bakey's. I mean, if furnace
• 1:12:45
  feast is just meant to be uh a THHD consumption, that's just called furnace
• 1:12:49
  fest. I didn't even think about it. I didn't think about it though.
• 1:12:51
  I was just more like, what who is there with food that I
• 1:12:55
  know or drinks? And let's do this. I love it. Yeah,
• 1:12:58
  I love it Baky's. That's cool. It almost sounds like something. But
• 1:13:01
  the other problem, here's the part two about the problem with that with your
• 1:13:04
  idea, it also sounds like something made out of bacon. I'm sorry,
• 1:13:11
  I could see that. Yeah, it sounds I mean, actually it's funny
• 1:13:14
  you say that, because like every once in a while to make like the
• 1:13:16
  like within like the muffin pan, I'll do like the eggs and bacon and
• 1:13:20
  you know, ah that little thing. Yeah, like a breakfast little breakfast
• 1:13:24
  deal, and I call them bakis. Okay, that's great. I think
• 1:13:28
  that's great. I think it's I think that is a perfect name for that.
• 1:13:31
  I'm willing I'm willing to not call them that anymore too, so that
• 1:13:35
  I can have cookies to be changed to bakis. But here's the here's the
• 1:13:39
  problem. Here's the here's the fundamental error in your your your etymology is cook
• 1:13:47
  baking is cooking? Sorry, next question? No, because when you're baking
• 1:13:55
  something, you're you are doing a form of cooking. Okay, that's feel
• 1:14:00
  I'll take I'll take your I'll take your professional it. There's a new molecular
• 1:14:04
  structure that's being formed. Yeah, if you want to get all Alton Brownie
• 1:14:08
  on it, it's like, you know, yeah, we're just are we
• 1:14:12
  doing Alton Alton Brownie. That's what we should call cookies. I love that.
• 1:14:20
  Hey, kids, I've taken Alton Brownie. No, I'm in I'm
• 1:14:25
  in a fight with him on online right now. Are you really I'm in
• 1:14:28
  a comments a comments war? Really? Is it? Is? He responding
• 1:14:31
  back, No, So it's a one sided battle. Has he been convicted
• 1:14:36
  for a felony of an armed robbery? Did you yes? Baking term?
• 1:14:44
  Is he in a convection of armed robbery? He was? He was convicted
• 1:14:47
  thirty four times, you guys, thirty four Wow, Jesus great. Who
• 1:14:54
  it sounds like that doesn't sound very presidential, does it? Oh? My?
• 1:15:00
  Maybe he did. He actually said that he invented that word. Okay,
• 1:15:06
  So, don't know if we're going to do the other player, I
• 1:15:10
  think we can just go right into what the send off? You haven't been
• 1:15:17
  recording? Please don't do that. I just scared him so bad. I
• 1:15:24
  know I could tell anything else you'd like to plug? Josh? Is this
• 1:15:28
  like plug? I mean, I gotta admit in the beginning of the show
• 1:15:33
  we were lying about the undertaking. I didn't. I sang with him,
• 1:15:39
  but I'm not the singer of the band, but I am the singer of
• 1:15:43
  five Aron Frenzy. What what happened to Reese? Reese? What's that's what?
• 1:15:48
  That's just the name that we invented. Oh so that's the Paul McCartney
• 1:15:54
  type situation. Yeah, so I know you. I know you talked to
• 1:15:57
  Jeff the girl recently and she he's been sworn to secrecy about this. Okay,
• 1:16:02
  Yeah, but I have this whole time, have been the singer of
• 1:16:06
  five on Frenzy on on Record. So this guy, they hired this guy
• 1:16:10
  to do live shows because like this really good looking white dude, you know,
• 1:16:14
  great hair. He's a male nurse and I guess his nickname is like
• 1:16:17
  Reese or something like that. But like, we invented this name Rehese Roper
• 1:16:21
  in the factory because like that's a made up name. Yeah, well it
• 1:16:24
  makes like Roper, Like there's nobody else in the world that has yeah,
• 1:16:29
  Reese Roper. So we invented me and me and Jeff the girl invented this
• 1:16:32
  name in the in the factory of making him names and the studio and so
• 1:16:38
  so I did all the albums, I did all the recordings. So you
• 1:16:41
  know, like you said, hired gun vocal, hired Gun. You said
• 1:16:43
  this yourself. And so that's the history. Yeah, five min aw Walk
• 1:16:46
  Records, the whole thing. Frank tap blah blah blah. That's me.
• 1:16:49
  And this is this is exclusive content right here, e bulging. And so
• 1:16:54
  this would explain your hatred for real big fish, and it comes full circle
• 1:16:59
  because they're competition sell in sell in with me tonight. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:04
  Yeah, they're just another fish in the pond. I mean the pond is
• 1:17:09
  really big fish in the pun drain the pond drained the pund, Yeah,
• 1:17:13
  but not the one at furnace Fest. So so five Frenzy playing at furnace
• 1:17:16
  Fest poses a real problem for me because I'm it could get exposed, right
• 1:17:23
  because right because nobody has he'll be seen Rhys Roper and and uh Josh Kempbell
• 1:17:29
  in the same room. But now that's the possibility. Yeah, you put
• 1:17:31
  hair quotes on the name Ess Roper because I understand that. I mean,
• 1:17:36
  I don't know if people are gonna see this video that we're doing right here,
• 1:17:39
  but like, yeah, it's it's it's just it's a big it's a
• 1:17:43
  big rigamarole. The royalties get really skewed. It's a real problem, and
• 1:17:47
  and we're going to solve it this October in the ring twenty four hell yeah,
• 1:17:55
  end of an era. Yeah. If and if there's not a wrestling
• 1:18:01
  ring at furnace Fest, I'm going to be very upset. We could make
• 1:18:04
  one. We should you'sh how many guys you know how many people at fests
• 1:18:09
  probably do m m A. I don't want to know I don't want to
• 1:18:12
  know. I thought that was just called the pit. That'd be a good
• 1:18:15
  name for a punk rock jujitsu place or something. Do you do know you
• 1:18:21
  do m m A. I have done mm A, not non officially,
• 1:18:26
  but I don't. I don't know, I don't do. I wouldn't tussle
• 1:18:29
  with you, Thank you. You shouldn't tussle with me. Don't don't know,
• 1:18:31
  there will be no tussling. So you're telling me that John or Joe
• 1:18:35
  John, Joe doesn't know anything about you, don't. We don't speak about
• 1:18:41
  Joe's uh John long lost brother John. But Joe doesn't clearly know anything about
• 1:18:45
  you since you're not an m A. You're an official m m A guy,
• 1:18:48
  I mean, not in that in that circle. But like I mean,
• 1:18:53
  MMA has been around for centuries that just recently it's been MMA if for
• 1:18:57
  like maybe the last twenty years, I don't even know, but like it's
• 1:19:00
  back in the day, we used to call it just tussling street frighten,
• 1:19:08
  meet me in the parking lot, That's what it was called. Loos.
• 1:19:20
  It should be the new m m A slogan is knocked loose, motherfucker black
• 1:19:28
  sheep, all right, well, Josh, Well, here's the thing.
• 1:19:33
  Three months, we're gonna see you, uh three months. We're gonna give
• 1:19:36
  you a big hug, we're gonna feel up your beard, and we're gonna
• 1:19:40
  eat your food, and we're probably gonna jam out to your music. So
• 1:19:44
  we look forward to seeing you in just a few months. Uh. So
• 1:19:46
  great to hang out with you. We have to like get you on at
• 1:19:49
  some point. Again, it's so much fun to hang out. Even if
• 1:19:53
  it's super late for us and super early for you. Still, that's right,
• 1:19:57
  it's gotta be the best time. It's it's always gonna be the best
• 1:19:59
  time we hang out. I can see you can't wait in person. Yes,
• 1:20:02
  it's so late, it's so late, but we can't wait to see
• 1:20:05
  you in person. And we're going to see you, uh you know,
• 1:20:10
  whenever we see you online again? Yeah? Online? Is that like the
• 1:20:15
  internet that stays still around the interwebs? Yes, I agree. I agree
• 1:20:19
  with you, Mason. I agree. We're going to see you soon.