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Patriots Unfiltered 10/20: Jets Breakdown, Team/Injury Updates, Bears Prep · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: I was like, please test me for literally everything. And
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  Speaker 3: they were like, okay, calm down.
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  Speaker 4: My worst nightmare is, I don't care about you guys,
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  Speaker 4: but if I got one of the players sick.
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  Speaker 5: MJ says, welcome back, Evan. Glad you're feeling better. These
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  Speaker 5: other guys are not ball knowers. Paul would not like
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  Speaker 5: that email.
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  Speaker 3: Some of us pay attention to more than just Redstone.
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  Speaker 3: I've officiated a wedding before.
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  Speaker 5: Me too. Analytics Evan gets up there and before he
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  Speaker 5: does the vows and all that, he's like, 52%.
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  Speaker 6: Weddings, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Marriages and the divorce, but that rate, the DVOA for
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  Speaker 5: that changes when it's, you know. The other thing about
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  Speaker 5: Paul is, like, if fans start getting excited about a
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  Speaker 5: new guy, he doesn't like that. He wants to bring
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  Speaker 5: you down. I don't know if he's afraid to be
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  Speaker 5: let down or if he just doesn't want fans to
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  Speaker 5: be happy.
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  Speaker 5: Patriots Unfiltered. All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is
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  Speaker 5: Tuesday here at Gillette Stadium. Another Patriots victory. 4-2, beating
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  Speaker 5: the Jets, division rival. We move on to Chicago Thursday night.
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  Speaker 5: It's a short week, but yeah, we're going to talk
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  Speaker 5: about that game. And it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me,
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  Speaker 5: it's Deuce, it's Matt in the booth. My opening thought
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  Speaker 5: on this game is it was a good win. All
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  Speaker 5: these people are saying, oh, you know, it's the Jets. Blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it wasn't that good a win. They played sloppy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: they didn't play as clean a game as you would hope.
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  Speaker 5: But I think that people are not giving the Jets
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  Speaker 5: defense credit. The Jets have a good defense. Yeah, they do.
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  Speaker 1: They don't.
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  Speaker 5: They did coming in.
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  Speaker 8: They have an above average defense. Not against anybody that can.
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  Speaker 5: Move the ball. An above average defense. And so I.
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  Speaker 8: Get against Cleveland in a monsoon.
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  Speaker 7: They have an abroad.
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  Speaker 8: So I think that I'm not against Detroit. I'm not
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  Speaker 8: against Chicago.
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  Speaker 5: I think the Patriots did a good job. You know,
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  Speaker 5: these division games can often be, you know, wonky. Just,
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  Speaker 5: you know, so I think that the Patriots did what
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  Speaker 5: they had to do to win. They got out of
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  Speaker 5: there with a win. So celebrate. I think it's a
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  Speaker 5: good win.
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  Speaker 7: Okay. Can we do something else now? I agree a
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  Speaker 7: thousand percent with you. As I said in the postgame show,
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  Speaker 7: I thought Mike Grable was incredibly hot. I understand what
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  Speaker 7: he's doing. The turnovers need to stop. He called it
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  Speaker 7: embarrassing yesterday. We're turning the ball over.
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  Speaker 8: He called it an embarrassment. And I understand where he's
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  Speaker 8: coming from. I'm with Fred.
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  Speaker 7: I think they played a better game on Sunday than
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  Speaker 7: he is giving them credit for. I think they had
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  Speaker 7: a couple of really bad plays that allowed the Jets
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  Speaker 7: to hang around. But I don't think there was a
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  Speaker 7: huge difference in the talent level on the field the
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  Speaker 7: other day. I thought the huge difference was the coach
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  Speaker 7: and the quarterback. I think Drake made some plays when
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  Speaker 7: he had to make them, and the Jets couldn't make
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  Speaker 7: them when they needed to on fourth downs. That was
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  Speaker 7: the difference in the game. I don't think they played that.
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  Speaker 7: I'm with Fred. I think this was a good debate.
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  Speaker 7: Was it the best I've seen the Patriots play this season?
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  Speaker 1: Nope.
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  Speaker 9: Nope.
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  Speaker 7: They played much better the week before against the Raiders
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  Speaker 7: than they did in this game. But I think the
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  Speaker 7: Jets are a better team than the Raiders. I don't
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  Speaker 7: think this was a horrible performance, which, to Fred's point,
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  Speaker 7: some people are saying.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's also being lost a little bit in
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  Speaker 3: the injuries and in the A.J. Brown targets drops, all
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  Speaker 3: that stuff. You know, those side stories I think have
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  Speaker 3: taken a little bit of the spotlight away, but generally
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  Speaker 3: I agree. It's a division game. Just get a win.
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  Speaker 3: Just find a way to get a win. Unfortunately, you've
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  Speaker 3: got some injuries, though, you've got to deal with. I
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  Speaker 3: think that's the big thing coming out to me.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that stinks, but injuries were part of this game,
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  Speaker 5: and I think The Patriots offensive line, instead of, you know,
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  Speaker 5: having trouble at the end of the game, actually rose
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  Speaker 5: to the occasion and finished that game out.
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  Speaker 7: It was an impressive closeout.
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  Speaker 3: It was not not the kind of thing that you'd
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  Speaker 3: expect from this, you know, Patriots team, be able to
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  Speaker 3: power it on the ground, close the game out. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think they showed you a little something. I was
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  Speaker 3: really encouraged. We heard from Corey Connery yesterday. Good kid.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, seems very excited talking about talking to his parents,
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  Speaker 3: how excited his parents were for him and all that.
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  Speaker 3: but maybe they found a little something with him as
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  Speaker 3: a third running back to help him in Samaria.
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  Speaker 5: Now, having said that, if the Patriots don't take advantage
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  Speaker 5: of those opportunities on Thursday night, if A.J. Brown or
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  Speaker 5: any other wide receiver drops four or five balls, they're
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  Speaker 5: going to lose to the Bears. So they have to
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  Speaker 5: play better to beat the Bears.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that both things can be true. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not overly concerned that they didn't blow the Jets out,
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  Speaker 4: But they didn't play well in the game.
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  Speaker 8: Like, you can say both those things, and, you know, they.
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  Speaker 4: This game, I thought that they let their guard down
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  Speaker 4: on some of the little details. And I think that's
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  Speaker 4: the stuff that usually irritates the head coach. It's not
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  Speaker 4: the it's not the big, like high level stuff that
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  Speaker 4: we all see. It's like assignments and, you know, techniques
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  Speaker 4: and execution and little minutiae of the game that I
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  Speaker 4: think that those are the things that he thinks about
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  Speaker 4: that they have to button up.
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  Speaker 5: Letting Cooper open on that play probably really.
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  Speaker 8: Pissed him off.
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  Speaker 4: A busted coverage on the big touchdown. Little minor things
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  Speaker 4: in terms of the targets to A.J. Brown that we
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  Speaker 4: can talk about. These are the things that, against good teams,
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  Speaker 4: are going to get you beat. Against the Jets, they're
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  Speaker 4: just not good enough to make you pay for it.
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  Speaker 5: Speaking of little things, you went viral yesterday with pointing
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  Speaker 5: out Ramondre Stevenson's rep. Good job there.
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  Speaker 4: That was one of the best pass blocking reps a
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  Speaker 4: running back has had all season that I have seen.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that was it's an unbelievable job by him.
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  Speaker 4: He's up in the B gap. So he's taking the linebacker. Normally,
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  Speaker 4: the linebacker just comes right through the B gap and
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  Speaker 4: he's just going to block him. back on backer, but
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  Speaker 4: they run a stunt over the left-hand side. And he
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  Speaker 4: looked like a guard. Like, he literally looked like a
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  Speaker 4: guard passing the stunt off with Will Campbell. And unfortunately,
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  Speaker 4: Demario Douglas fumbles at the end of the play because
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  Speaker 4: he keeps him clean for a 40-yard play.
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  Speaker 8: That should have been, like, one of the highlights of
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  Speaker 8: the game.
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  Speaker 4: And, of course, you know, those are the things that
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure irritated Vrabel as well.
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  Speaker 3: But, yeah, hell of a block by Ramondre.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so go to Evan's X account. You can find
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  Speaker 5: that there. Um, also somebody else pointed out a, just
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  Speaker 5: a really highlight reel block by Campbell, uh, as a
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  Speaker 5: guy tried to go outside him and Campbell just, man,
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  Speaker 5: he gave that punch and just knocked the guy to
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  Speaker 5: the ground. Loved it.
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  Speaker 8: Influence, influence block.
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  Speaker 5: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 4: So he's trying, he wants him to go up the field.
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  Speaker 4: So he's like, it's almost like a draw, right?
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  Speaker 5: Or a screen.
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  Speaker 4: Like he wants him to go up the field. So
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  Speaker 4: he kind of baits him to go up the field.
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  Speaker 4: And then when he does, he just chucks him and
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  Speaker 4: like uses his momentum against him to toss him to
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  Speaker 4: the ground. So that's a technique. It's a type of block.
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  Speaker 5: Well, he certainly executed that technique flawlessly. It was very impressive.
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  Speaker 5: Good job, Will Campbell.
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  Speaker 8: Both young tackles.
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  Speaker 5: Put a little sticker on your helmet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, nice job by Caleb Willman, too. I mean, he
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  Speaker 3: had a couple nice blocks, too.
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  Speaker 7: No, no. Cheese that.
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  Speaker 5: Cheese it.
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  Speaker 7: Cheese it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: He's just fine.
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  Speaker 3: Don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 7: More than fine.
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  Speaker 8: He's been good the last two weeks.
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  Speaker 7: I think he's been excellent.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he looks great. I think he looks
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  Speaker 4: way further ahead than I expected him to look. I
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  Speaker 4: think in pass protection, he looks sturdy.
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  Speaker 7: He looks good.
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  Speaker 4: Comfortable on both sides right now uh i didn't think
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  Speaker 4: he looked any different on playing right tackle that he
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  Speaker 4: did left the week before this is why they drafted
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  Speaker 4: him they drafted him knowing there would be injuries and
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  Speaker 4: they needed depth at that position and long-term future and
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  Speaker 4: and so far check check check.
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  Speaker 5: What were drake's numbers to finish the game.
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  Speaker 4: Like his his regular stats 18 for 32 230 three touchdowns.
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  Speaker 5: Something like that it's right in his sweet spot it
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  Speaker 5: would have been a lot better if He had some cooperation.
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  Speaker 3: Some of the A.J. Brown catches, sure. No, Drake was
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  Speaker 3: good again. I mean, I think it's continuing what like
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  Speaker 3: the second half of Buffalo felt like he maybe turned
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  Speaker 3: the corner, but continuing to look comfortable in the pocket.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that's, you know, really encouraging. But the
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  Speaker 3: thing I was going to ask the group was Morgan
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  Speaker 3: Moses was listed. I know it's a walkthrough yesterday, but
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  Speaker 3: Morgan Moses was listed only as limited, whereas, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Vera Tucker and Brown were you know, DNPs should they
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  Speaker 3: have practiced. Would you consider on the short week, even
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  Speaker 3: if Moses was able to suck it up and go
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  Speaker 3: and be the warrior that he's been, would you say,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, let's give Lomu a chance. It's an
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  Speaker 3: NFC team on a short week. Give Moses an extra
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  Speaker 3: week to maybe try to get a little bit healthy
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  Speaker 3: and just get some experience for Lomu with his first start.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, but I think it's a, go ahead, Jeff.
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  Speaker 3: No, sorry.
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  Speaker 7: I think we're going to say the same thing, so
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  Speaker 7: I'll let you say it. He might need to play guard.
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  Speaker 7: It depends on what you have available at guard.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, like, you know, right now, Lomu. Lomu might have
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  Speaker 8: to play guard. Yeah, obviously not Moses. Yeah, Lomu.
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  Speaker 4: Like, they're so short at guard right now that just
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  Speaker 4: to get the best, most talented five players on the field, like,
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  Speaker 4: Lomu might need to play left guard.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and then put Moses, keep Moses at right tackle, Sam. Yeah,
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  Speaker 8: or even activate Marcus Bryant to play right tackle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, like, your options are either starting Pryor and Walter Rouse.
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  Speaker 4: as your two starting guards or probably prior at right.
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  Speaker 8: And Lomu at left. And then Moses cuts through it
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  Speaker 8: at right.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So like, it's not a good spot to be in,
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  Speaker 4: but like, you know, Alex and Barth, he's been big
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  Speaker 4: on me about like, just keep Lomu a tackle and
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  Speaker 4: don't mess with his development. But right now they, they're
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  Speaker 4: they need bodies like they're just short players yeah so
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  Speaker 4: like at some point like it's football like you gotta
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  Speaker 4: just go out there and play where you need to play.
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  Speaker 5: Um does chicago pose a challenge in that respect like
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  Speaker 5: how's their front like are they as the patriots offensive
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  Speaker 5: line going to be stressed in this game If.
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  Speaker 4: They get into obvious drop back, then Dennis Allen, their
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  Speaker 4: defensive coordinator, is a really good blitzer. He's got a
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  Speaker 4: good blitz package. Kyler Gordon, their defensive back, had three
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  Speaker 4: sacks last week. Two of them were strip sacks on blitzes.
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  Speaker 4: So they have a really good third down blitz package.
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  Speaker 4: They don't stop the run well. And their standard rushes are,
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  Speaker 4: you can block them. You know, and Montez Sweat's not
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  Speaker 4: going to play in this game. So I think that
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  Speaker 4: if you can stay on schedule and you can stay
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  Speaker 4: out of those obvious passing situations, they should be all right.
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  Speaker 4: But that's the key to the game right there.
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  Speaker 5: Sweat is still serving his suspension.
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  Speaker 8: Second game of his suspension, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Okay. All right.
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  Speaker 5: Caleb Williams back.
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  Speaker 1: Looked good.
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  Speaker 3: Great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So he's back in the game, which, look, I'm all
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  Speaker 5: for it. Let's beat them at their best. Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he's leaving the league in completion percentage. That was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the Drake May stat last year. So, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're talking to Paul a little bit about it this
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  Speaker 3: morning with, you know, his efficiency is up. But is
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  Speaker 3: he still pushing the ball down the field? I think
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  Speaker 3: Luther Burden's coming on. He seems like he's starting to
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  Speaker 3: put it all together. He's been really consistent this year.
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  Speaker 3: You know, and I also think that the Jets had some,
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  Speaker 3: and Ev, you wrote about this, and I saw it too,
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  Speaker 3: just they had some good plans for what the Patriots do,
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  Speaker 3: you know, trying to exploit the Patriots aggressiveness a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: The Patriots like to, you know, show that zero blitz. Look,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of space. So you get that ball
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  Speaker 3: quick out to wide receiver screen. You're forcing the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: defensive backs to come up and, you know, make tackles
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  Speaker 3: and stuff. I thought, you know, they caught him a
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  Speaker 3: few times. I thought that was something the Jets did
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  Speaker 3: well that I wonder if other teams will continue to
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  Speaker 3: kind of build off of that approach to the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: defense with, with their aggressiveness. And, you know, sometimes it
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  Speaker 3: works for the Patriots. I mean, I think the, you know, the,
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  Speaker 3: the third down against the bills where they're showing that look,
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  Speaker 3: but then they drop out of it and, you know, they, they,
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  Speaker 3: they get a good play defensively. So, uh, cool chess match.
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  Speaker 3: And I think teams are starting to get a beat
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  Speaker 3: on Patriots aggressiveness.
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  Speaker 5: Carlton Davis probably won't play.
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  Speaker 8: It doesn't sound like it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: It's weird.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I thought that, uh, there's a lot of like big
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  Speaker 4: picture questions with the jets and their coaching staff. Like
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  Speaker 4: if Aaron Glenn is the right guy and they don't
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  Speaker 4: have a quarterback and all that kind of stuff. But
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  Speaker 4: I thought schematically they, they both coordinators. So Glenn is
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  Speaker 4: calling the defense, but, they called a good game. I
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  Speaker 4: thought the first half they backed off. They played more coverage.
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  Speaker 4: They dropped eight a couple of times. They tried to
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  Speaker 4: make Drake made, you know, matriculated down the field and
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  Speaker 4: beat him from the pocket. And second half, they mixed
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  Speaker 4: in some more blitzes like they normally do.
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  Speaker 8: And I thought it was a good plan.
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  Speaker 4: And they just don't right now have the personnel to
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  Speaker 4: sustain offense. You know, like they're not going to be
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  Speaker 4: able to really make plays for four quarters.
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  Speaker 5: I think the Patriots finally made Geno Smith look like
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  Speaker 5: the quarterback that he is. They put him under some pressure.
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  Speaker 5: He doesn't really have answers. He's not the kind of
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  Speaker 5: guy that's going to beat you with his legs and
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  Speaker 5: extend plays. So I think the Patriots did a good
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  Speaker 5: job there.
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  Speaker 7: I thought offensively the Jets did pretty well. I think
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  Speaker 7: defensively I agree with what Evan's saying about the schemes.
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  Speaker 7: Their problem was, like Evan said, you just don't have
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  Speaker 7: the horses to execute it. they had like really enormous
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  Speaker 7: coverage busts in this game where, you know, two guys
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  Speaker 7: are covering a guy in the flat and like, there's
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  Speaker 7: no safety help over the top on the deep over
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  Speaker 7: for Romeo Dobbs, you know, for the touchdown. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: you know, it's, that's like, it was kind of a
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  Speaker 7: strange play. Like if you go back and watch it
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  Speaker 7: a little bit, like he could have thrown the ball
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  Speaker 7: to AJ Brown over the middle of the field probably
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  Speaker 7: should have.
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  Speaker 8: Um, And then he just he kind of pumps and waits.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, wait a minute. I can pass up that 20
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  Speaker 7: for the for the 45 touchdown because there's kind of
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  Speaker 7: nobody covering him either.
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  Speaker 8: We saw Hunter Henry.
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  Speaker 7: That's the one that caused we were joking on the
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  Speaker 7: post on the postgame show. Troy Brown called it that
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  Speaker 7: that's jetting where they just kind of lose the tight
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  Speaker 7: end in the red zone and give as easy a
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  Speaker 7: touchdown as you can get.
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  Speaker 8: He was open the whole game. I didn't know which
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  Speaker 8: one you were talking about. Well, he had four catches,
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  Speaker 8: and they just kind of didn't cover him.
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  Speaker 7: And they just had these coverage busts. I don't necessarily
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  Speaker 7: think it was because of scheme. I kind of agree
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  Speaker 7: with Evan. I thought they did some things that, I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I think they went out of their comfort zone. They
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  Speaker 7: normally blitz about half of the time.
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  Speaker 8: They barely blitzed in this game.
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  Speaker 5: Why do you think they didn't do that?
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  Speaker 8: They didn't blitz?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: You don't blitz Drake May.
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: Unless you want to lose.
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: I would.
• 14:42
  Speaker 7: I think the only way to beat him is to
• 14:43
  Speaker 7: hit him. And if you don't hit him, he's going
• 14:45
  Speaker 7: to do that to you.
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: So let's look at the quarterbacks that they've played so
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: far in which they have established that blitz mentality. None
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: of these guys can beat the blitz?
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, Deshaun Watson is just a sitting duck back there.
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: That's how they got the eight sacks the week before.
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: If you blitz Drake May... I'd say the main reason
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: why he burns you on blitzes is because he's getting
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: one-on-ones on the outside if you're blitzing. Because the numbers
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: got to come from somewhere. So if you're going to
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: bring people, then he's going to be one-on-one on the outside.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: And when you give him one-on-one shot plays on the outside,
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: we know what's happening.
• 15:20
  Speaker 8: It's over your head.
• 15:21
  Speaker 7: So, Fred, and I know that you took offense when
• 15:24
  Speaker 7: I said I don't think the Jets have a good defense.
• 15:26
  Speaker 7: And you're like, well, who are they? He just hit
• 15:28
  Speaker 7: on one of them. So one of them is Deshaun
• 15:30
  Speaker 7: Watson in terrible weather. That they were able to get
• 15:32
  Speaker 7: all kinds of pressure on. Another one was Cam Ward
• 15:35
  Speaker 7: in the first game of the year.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: Tyson Bajan.
• 15:36
  Speaker 7: They were able to get all kinds of pressure on
• 15:38
  Speaker 7: him and completely render the Titans irrelevant offensively. And the
• 15:44
  Speaker 7: other one was Green Bay right when they lost all
• 15:47
  Speaker 7: their linemen and were without Josh Jacobs initially. They couldn't
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: run the ball. They couldn't protect Jordan Love. And again,
• 15:53
  Speaker 7: it was terrible weather in the Meadowlands. The other two
• 15:57
  Speaker 7: games that they played were against good offenses, and they
• 15:59
  Speaker 7: got shredded. And to Evan's point, Chicago did it with
• 16:04
  Speaker 7: Case Keenum and Tyson Bajan. So if you have personnel
• 16:08
  Speaker 7: like the Patriots do, you're going to give up yards
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: and points.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 16:13
  Speaker 7: Because I don't think that defense is all that good. Now,
• 16:15
  Speaker 7: I do think it was well-schemed. I agree with everything
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: Evan said. They played the game the way they needed to.
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: They kept it competitive.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: On both sides of the ball. They had a run
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: game in the first half. They denominated time of possession.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: The defense had some good wrinkles and didn't come after
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: Drake May.
• 16:32
  Speaker 8: They're not good.
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: The Jets lost the game in the last two minutes
• 16:36
  Speaker 7: of the first half by just not being good enough
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: to execute in a situation that you have to execute.
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: You give up a field goal, so you get off
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: the field. They only give up three, and I think
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: he did the right thing. Troy and I disagreed with
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: this in the postgame. I think you should call timeouts
• 16:54
  Speaker 7: when the other team's deep in the red zone. late
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: in the half, give yourself a chance to get those
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: points back. And then you go three and out because
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: you just can't execute. And, you know, one of them
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: was an easy throw to Kenyon Sadiq that he drops
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: in the flat. So instead of third and two, it's
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: third and ten. Jets aren't going to convert a lot
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: of third and tens. So all of a sudden, you've
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: taken about 25 or 30 seconds off the clock and
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: the Patriots get the ball back. Great field position. They
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: go right down the field because they're good. And the
• 17:21
  Speaker 7: Jets aren't at that stage yet. But I didn't think
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: the talent level was all that different on the field Sunday.
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: I really didn't. The Patriots had the star power with
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: Drake May, and he made a couple of plays.
• 17:33
  Speaker 8: Like, is Demario Douglas any better than, you know, Omar Cooper?
• 17:38
  Speaker 8: I thought Omar Cooper looked really good. Yeah, that's my point.
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: Like, you know, the guy... You know, Garrett Wilson's probably
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: the best receiver on the field Sunday, counting A.J.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Brown. Right.
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: So, like, they just... It wasn't that much of a, like,
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: I think that people were looking at, well, it's the Jets.
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: They're going to blow them out.
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: And I thought the Patriots would put them away with
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: a final touchdown to have a two-touchdown game. To the Jets' credit,
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: they never allowed that to happen. They kept close enough.
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: But the game ultimately was decided with the 10 points
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: at the end of the first half that takes a
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: close game. a 7-3 game into a 17-3 game, and
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: the Jets had to go into the locker room and say,
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: we can't play any better than that. They had the
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: ball literally for 20 minutes to 10, and they're losing 17-3.
• 18:26
  Speaker 7: They didn't turn it over. Now, technically they didn't turn
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: it over. I would say they turned it over twice.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: With the fourth down.
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: Two fourth down stops. Those two plays in the last
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: minute and a half of the half, I think Evan
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: nailed it. I think that they did a lot of
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: things really well in this game. They just weren't good enough.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: Just not quite good enough.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Well, listen, like I said, division game, they can be funny.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: Weird things happen. We see it. It's a story that's
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: as old as time in the NFL. I can tell
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: you probably the next time that they play, the Patriots
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: will absolutely blow them out.
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: I mean, that season might be over.
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'll wait. I'll wait to see what the
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: personnel is like. But if it's the same personnel that
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: played this week, I don't think that that will be
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: the case. I think the Jets are just exactly what
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: we said going into the game.
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: They're frisky.
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: They've raised the level of talent a little bit. They're
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: not the same team that they played last year.
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: That's why I.
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: Think the Patriots deserve to be happy about the win.
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: Not just because they were banged up at the end
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: of the game. I don't think they played a terrible game.
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: They made a couple of really bad plays.
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: And they didn't take advantage of some opportunities that they had.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: And had they done that, this wouldn't have been as
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: close as it was. And I understand where Vrabel's coming from,
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: but I think a lot of it's performative. I think
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: he wants to make sure his players don't get comfortable. Yeah,
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: you've won, what, four out of five games now? Something
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: like that?
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: Um you know so okay hey look at us but
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: he knows that this isn't good enough this isn't good
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: enough so you know particularly with the with the drops
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: the fumbles you cannot have.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: That yeah i wonder how much the short week factored
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: into his kind of comportment that he took in that
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: angle where he knows it's a quick turnaround and He's
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: got to get these guys instantly ready to play. What
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: do you say? Like, you know, enjoy it for like
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: an hour.
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: So we'll see.
• 20:14
  Speaker 8: I'm interested to see what their plans on Thursday night are.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: Short week, you know, how much were they working on
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: the Bears?
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: The coaching staff.
• 20:23
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: You know, like, because.
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: You're going to beat the Jets.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: You're going to beat the Jets.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: The other thing with Vrabel, you get a little snippy
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: with Phil Perry.
• 20:34
  Speaker 11: Yep.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: What else is new? Phil Perry asking about the depth.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: And I understand the line of questioning. Phil Perry is like,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: I think basically what he's saying is, is your depth
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: better than what you thought it was?
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: And if he answered that honestly, what do you think
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: his answer would be?
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, because we added 10 players that we didn't
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: have at the time that I said that we didn't
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: have any depth. Which he keeps saying. And he keeps
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: saying it over and over again. That's why he got
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: snippy with Phil.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: And Phil knows that I love him. He does a really,
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: really good job. But Mike was right.
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: He's been asked that question several times. Now, Phil said... Well,
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: I didn't ask him.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Collective view.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: And he kind of pointed out.
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: But, yeah, I think the answer has been, as Evan
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: just said, the guys that we're talking about that closed
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: out the game on Sunday, none of them were here
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: when he said that we don't have any depth. And
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: to illustrate the fact that he didn't think they have
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: any depth, he did something he says he's never done
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: as a head coach, adding that many players in that
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: short of amount of time from the time that camp
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: ended to the time the season started.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: You know, Corey Kiner and Walter Rouse and Matt Pryor
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: were not Patriots when he said we don't have any depth.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: And that's just a few like off the top of
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: my head that were on the field at the end
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: of the game.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah i was another one and.
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: Cameron lotto played a big role in that last.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Drive and he has been asked it several times yeah
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: he has and i i get it like i'm not
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: we're not picking on phil but like we've all done
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: it i get it like you start to get annoyed
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: because it's like i know what you're trying to get
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: at here that i was wrong and i should admit
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: that i was wrong but how many more times are
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: you am.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: I going to ask the question well shouldn't you reframe
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: the question of that according to those results, you did
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: a pretty good job. After that point, when you said
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: you had no depth, you went out and you found
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: some depth and a guy, you know, like, like you're
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: talking about with, uh, with what's his face, the right tack, sorry,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: the right guard, uh, Matt prior, he's played a hundred games,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: you know, like they went, they found some places where
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: they could find some depth, some experienced guys so that
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: if they got to this position, they would, they wouldn't
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: be putting in undrafted rookies or, you know, something of
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: that nature into it. So I, I mean, I see
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: it as a positive and good reflection on the front
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: office staff and the job they've done coaching these guys up.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Now we'll see how it looks on a short week
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: in Chicago if those guys have to play the whole game.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: But, you know, I just want to get into this
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: a little bit because they brought in those guys because
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: they had to.
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: Because they didn't feel like they had any depth. They
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: brought in some depth.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: That's what I think.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: Well, okay, so you're saying that the guys that they
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: brought in, they thought were better than the guys they had?
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: Greg Van Roten and Matt Pryor have NFL starts under
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: their belt. You're not just putting some Andrew Rupsitch who
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: they just had to re-sign to the practice squad.
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: That's who they had for depth. at the time that
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: he said we have no depth.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: So he's adding NFL players. Now, Corey Kiner is probably
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: a little bit more of a tweener, but, like, even
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: Jalen Reed is a young safety that they think.
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: More of than, obviously, Houston did.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: He played a little bit last year, so he comes in,
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: you know, adds a layer of depth. Well, not that
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: he's played, like, 100% of the snaps or anything, but
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: you see him out there. He's a part of, you know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: some of the stuff they do. So what exactly did
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: he say, you know.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: We don't have a lot of depth. When did he
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: say that?
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: Philadelphia preseason game.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Right. Okay.
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: August. When they were asking about the plans for the
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: third preseason game, if anybody was going to play.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: It was about not playing the starters during the preseason.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: And he was worried about the starters getting hurt because
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: they had no depth.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: That was his response.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: And so the guys at that time that he was
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: referring to either got hurt or He brought in guys
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: from the outside that were better than the depth that
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: he had.
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: I think it's the latter.
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: I think he felt like he increased the level of
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: backup that he had available. And I'm not talking like this.
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: There's like 10 guys that we're talking about that they added. And,
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: you know, six or seven of those guys were NFL
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: veterans like Greg Van Roten. We have like 11 years,
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: something like that. Yeah, quite a while. You know, he's
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: a full-time starter. To Mike's point, Matt Pryor has... you know,
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: a boatload of starting experience.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Mo Sal's another one. I mean, you know, just fringe.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: Guys, but guys that have played a little bit in
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: the league as opposed to undrafted rookies, um, that, you know,
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: like Khalil Jacobs, you know, is, I think he's still
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: on IR, right?
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: So that I'm sorry.
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: Eric Hunter? No, no, no, the other guy.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Moussaou?
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that one.
• 25:12
  Speaker 7: He's played a little bit, right? He was one from
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: the Giants, right? Yep, he's played a little bit in there.
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: And he's played a little bit. I think he probably
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: gives you a little bit more experience than you would
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: have had had it be like Khalil Jacobs or, you know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: one of those guys. You know, that was here in
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: the preseason. So I do think that he went out
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: and got depth. that was a little bit better than
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: the depth that he had at the time that he
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: said that.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, even Latu, like, adding a third tight end.
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: He's better than Tanner Arkin.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: He is.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: Like, as an example, that's another one for one.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: And so now are these guys... you know, getting experience
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: that now they're going to be your depth going forward
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: next year. I mean, some of them like, you know, Reed,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, some of these guys are a little bit
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: older prior that they probably won't be.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: Those guys probably won't.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: But maybe you chipped away a little bit at a
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: few spots with somebody like Reed or maybe somebody like
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Latu in those spots that next year you have a
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: little bit more depth and you continue to build the
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: program that way.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: Possibly.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: Possibly.
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: And I would also say, you know, you're playing a
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: whole bunch of like young guys on special teams.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: And it was a little rocky.
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: For a while.
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: I think they may have had their best special teams day.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: I think their coverage is pretty good.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Besides the missed extra point.
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but again, I always get made fun of for this.
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: That's one guy, though. I differentiate the specialists from special teams.
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: When I talk about special teams, I'm talking about covering
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: kicks and returning them. Covering punts and returning them. The
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: specialist itself, to me, is a very individual thing. And
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: I don't blame... Jeremy Springer because Andy Borgalis missed.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: An extra point.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: You know what I mean? Like, if the kicker gets
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: the yips, I don't blame that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: I don't necessarily say that. That's an indication that you
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: have poor special teams. Now, it happens.
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: Like, the Rams... The Rams have had poor special teams
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: for five years, and it runs the gamut. They don't
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: cover kicks well, and they don't make their field goals.
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: They get them blocked and whatnot.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: I would like to cut down on the penalties on
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: special teams. Yeah, even that, only one. I guess every
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: team has a lot of those.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: And I was thinking a lot, too, when I was
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: talking about, like, in my mind, like, he blows that
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: guy up on that kickoff return. Kickoff coverage.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: Kiner had a nice return.
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: Kickoff return.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: They were consistently out over the 35, and they were
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: consistently stopping them inside the 25. Yeah. That hasn't happened
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: all year.
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: No, it's been so glaring, I've noticed it. Big time
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: hidden yards.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: Hidden yards.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Kiner won out to the 40 for
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: that last drive, too. I mean, that's... Look at me
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: talking special teams.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 27:40
  Speaker 8: I don't care. Can I tell you one thing that
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: I noticed?
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: And I forget where someone had it on Twitter, and
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: I wish I could remember where I saw it because
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: I would credit them. But I keep talking about how
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: impressed I am with Zach Kor and all the different
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: ways that he finds to generate a pass rush because
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: I just don't think they have the horses to do
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: it conventionally. And Elijah Ponder gets another sack in the
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: red zone, big play in the game, right? Instead of 17-17,
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: it's 17-13 because you come up with a sack in
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: the red zone on third and five. And you watch
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: the play, and he has, and I assume this is
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: all designed, right? Like, Robert Spillane goes into that play,
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: in my mind, with nothing but the intent to set
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: a pick on Fashanu, which completely frees up Elijah Ponder
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: to come inside. And not only he sets a really
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: good pick, but he continues on to kind of flash
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: in Geno Smith's face, which kind of forced him to
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: sort of stay in the pocket and step up, and
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: he steps right into Ponder. And this is why, like,
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: the whole, like, oh, they have edge guys. Like, okay. Like,
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: the numbers are what they are. He's got, like, 11
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: or 12 sacks since, like, the midway portion of last year.
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: They are what they are.
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: But I just think it's so well coordinated up front.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: And I'd say the same thing about the Barmore sack
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: and the Milton Williams sack that, you know, I think
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Barmore maybe a little bit less so, but this is
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: kind of all their sacks. Like, it's all coordinated and together.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: It's not just one guy. Sometimes Milton Williams will blow
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: some dude up or Christian Barmore. But generally speaking, I
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: think it's, to your point, coordination. I really liked that play.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: And again, did you post that, F? Because I don't
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: know where I saw it now. It's funny because I
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: definitely took note of that exact same thing.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: It's not the Packers guy throwing Max Lane to the ground.
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: They do that? The Packers guy? You mean Reggie White?
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the Packers guy.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I talked to him last week. He thought he did
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: pretty good in the first half.
• 29:38
  Speaker 12: All time, dude.
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: He calls him that guy.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: The pick pressures are more prevalent now, I would say,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: over the last couple of years where instead of just
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: having a penetrator and a looper, the penetrator is really
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: just setting a pick on the primary blocker that the
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: looper is looping on.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: That is 100% it.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Like, Spillane's job is literally just to pick, like in basketball,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: pick the left tackle.
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: And in football, you can really pick them. So you
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: can de-click that. Oh, yeah, no, that's legal. I mean,
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: that's not like a rub route. No, that's physicality.
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: That's football.
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: And if you watch the overhead of the play.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: They have a bunch set, three-receiver bunch to Omar Cooper Jr.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: 's wide open on the angle route, and the pressure
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: closed the pocket, and he didn't get the ball off.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: So it saved the touchdown probably, and it was a
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: big four-point play in the game. So I agree with
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: you that their coordination is fantastic, whether they're getting free
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: runners or creating pressure with stunts. They also created a
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: stunt pressure on Charles Woods' interception as well, Daquan Jones
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: and Ponder. or if they're getting one-on-ones because they're threatening
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: pressure and they're going to get guys one-on-one, like the
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Barmore sack, you know, he gets one-on-one against the right
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: guard and just detonates the right guard in sacks.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Also good at like opening up to the defensive backs
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: to like, they'll coordinate to try to get like that
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: right side B gap to open up. And then Craig
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Woodson or somebody comes flying in.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: They do a fantastic job of putting the running back
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: in conflict. Like the running back is in two-on-ones the
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: entire game. And like that, that, When you talk to
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: defensive coaches and listen to the clinics and stuff like that,
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: they all want to attack the running back and blitz pickup.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: So what the Patriots will do is they'll send two
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: guys through the same gap. And so now the running
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: back has to kind of pick which guy he's going
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: to block. And every time, someone's going to be unblocked.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: So normally the back takes the inside guy and he'll
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: bump down. It's usually the linebacker. So there's a third
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: down play. Marcus Jones just comes through the middle of
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: the line unblocked. and Geno just has to dirt it.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: So they do a really good job of putting the
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: backs in conflict, getting one-on-ones for their better rushers. The
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: stunt play pressures are really, really good. So they're doing
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: a lot of it with scheme. They absolutely are.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: All right, let's talk about Drake Mays Day because I
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: thought he had a good game.
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: I agree.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: In terms of just being a good quarterback and the
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: decisions that he made and seeing the field, avoiding pressure.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: making the right reads. I think he had a really
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: good game.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: It's kind of funny how the game works out where
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: you go three and out, and then you have two
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: plays and a touchdown. You've only run five plays. It's
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: just hard to get into that rhythm a little bit,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: I feel like, when it's a strange start like that.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: But I just think he's been way more comfortable in
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: the pocket. He hasn't been making the stupid mistakes. He
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: hasn't been drifting into pressure. And once you get this A.J.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Brown thing worked out, I think they'll be really cooking.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: And even a play that I thought he was inaccurate on,
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: I was schooled by you guys. I think it was
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: a throw to Raritan down the middle that I thought
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: was behind him, but it had to be where it
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: was placed.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that his poise and his feet in
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: the pocket are remarkably better.
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: It's weird.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: His pocket movement, his ability to extend plays in the pocket.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: The Pop Douglas touchdown, he just steps through the pocket,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: keeps his eyes down the field, Pop works open. The
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: Romeo Dobbs big play, three-man rush, doesn't get antsy, sits
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: back there all day. Those types of things I think
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: are significantly improved. from the first couple weeks of the season.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: He just looks like he's looser back there.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: This is why if I were an opponent, I would
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: do everything I can to heat him up because I
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: don't want to have that happen. Just standing back there
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: and dissecting you with 42-yard touchdown passes.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm interested to see. Is it that simple
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: as if you do get some pressure, you'll knock him
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: off this pace? Because it's bizarre to me that he
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: just kind of flipped the switch at a certain point
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: a couple games ago, and he looks like the same
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: old guy.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Was it... Was he just had the yips and the
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Seattle and the playoffs and all that and he just
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: was out of his sorts and now he finally just
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: got back into rhythm and got his confidence back? Or
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: is it just he didn't really play in games in
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: the summer and now he's getting into a flow and
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: he feels it? There's a million different things you could say.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: If the Patriots continue or if Drake continues to play
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: well this season, that'll be one of the stories that
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: I hope. comes out after the season of what happened. Yeah.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: What happened?
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: I'm not getting clipped.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: How did you turn it?
• 34:10
  Speaker 8: I think he's a slow starter.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: I think he was a slow, I think he started
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: slow last year. I think the first three games of
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: the season, they were one and two. And I don't
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: think that, you know, the Raider game, the Steeler game
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: turned the ball over like crazy. Like I, they didn't
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: play well offensively in those games either. I think, McDaniels builds.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: I think this scheme builds over the course of the season,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: which helps as well get him like going in these games.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: But I think the biggest difference to me is just
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I thought early on in the season, he looked like
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: he was.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Stuck in the mud in the pocket, like he just wasn't.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Moving around he wasn't dodging rushers he wasn't uh you
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: know extending plays not outside the pocket inside the pocket
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: like finding those different you know clean air spaces and
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: things like that and he just looks like he's playing
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: with a lot more like freedom looseness just confidence uh
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: in the pocket some of it's the defenses like they're
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: not playing as good of defenses I don't want to
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: do the whole Felger and Maz thing and make it
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: about easy schedule and all that kind of stuff, but
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: he's a really good player, and when they play defenses
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: like the Jets, the Bills, and the Raiders, he looks
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: like an MVP.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Right, but even take the defenses out of it. A
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: stupid decision, whether it's a good defense or a bad defense,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: to throw it right to another guy is.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: What it is. Defenses sometimes force you into that.
• 35:27
  Speaker 7: Throwing it right to another guy, obviously that's different, but
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: there were some plays, and I did look at Evan's
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: Film Guru. I'm sorry, I was cheating on you a
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: little bit.
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: I did look at Greg Bedard a little bit.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: And I thought Greg.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Don't you have to pay to watch that?
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: Greg had a.
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: Well, no, we get the clips.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa.
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: Don't tell me what you're paying for.
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: I do not pay for that. You don't have to
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: pay extra to... No matter what they tell you, you
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: don't have to pay extra.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: Anyway, he was showing, like, the touchdown pass to Dobbs,
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: and he kind of pointed out that, really, the throw
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: is brown.
• 36:02
  Speaker 9: Mm-hmm.
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: Because you can't anticipate you're going to have almost six
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: seconds to throw. Unless like he goes, I'd like to
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: have them under truth serum here. Does he realize they
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: only rushed two on this play? And Sherwood is like
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: the third guy. And he's just kind of hanging around
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: as a, as a spy. Did he realize he was
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: going to have all that time? And that's why he,
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: cause he looks like he just, he sees Brown's wide
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: open and it's like a 20, 25 yard gain. It's
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: not like a little check down. And, He pumps, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: then he doesn't throw it, and then he waits, and
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: then here comes Dobbs on the deep over, and he comes,
• 36:36
  Speaker 7: you know, and he threw a great, great ball to him, too,
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: in the end zone. It was just perfect. But, you know, like,
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: Greg's point was, like, maybe that's not the best decision.
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: And then he pointed out another one. I think it
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: was the Douglas one on the touchdown.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: I hesitate to say that maybe it wasn't the best decision.
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: Right, well, and he doesn't, like, I don't want to
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: make it, Greg, I apologize for Greg.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I understand what he's saying.
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: He's not killing, he's not ripping him. But when you
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: throw a.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: 42-yard touchdown, I think we take it. So, you know,
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: they're actually, they're running Haas, Fred. Uh, they're running Haas. And, uh,
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: this one is actually, can.
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: You tell us what it is now? He's talked about
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: it so many times. So this one's a little bit
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: different though.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Uh, so that instead of having mirrored Haas where they
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: have the hitches and the seams to both sides, they
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: have a variation of it where the X Brown runs
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: the deep dig on the backside of it.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: This is where he comes out.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: Drake's on the move, right? No, no, no, no. He's
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: not on Haas juke. He's not moving.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: No.
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: They ran it with Tom Brady. He gets so dismissive
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: of you.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Fred said it in the press box and then it
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: just goes, they're not even in empty.
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: Explain the play a thousand times.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: I wish we could have a, I wish we had
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: a date.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: That was funny.
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: We should be mic'd up. Gotta be empty. He might
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: not even be in the car, Sonny.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: I'm like, Haas Jukes.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: They're not even an empty. They have to be an empty.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Hitches outside, seams up the middle, and a juke around
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: the middle.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: And so they have the three receiver sides running Haas.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: A.J.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Brown's running the deep dig. So Dobbs' route is a seam.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: He's actually supposed to run it in the seam, and
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: he does. Initially, Minka Fitzpatrick is playing the post in
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: the middle of the field. And I asked Drake May
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: about it after the game, and he said that he
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: felt like he was just a.
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: Little late to A.J. Brown over the middle, and he
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: didn't want to throw late over the middle of the field.
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: And that's kind of what Bedard is talking about. He goes,
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: it's there. The ball should be ripped right here. And
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: he wasn't ripping. He wasn't killing May for making a
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: terrible play and getting away. He wasn't like that. So
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: I want to be fair to Greg. I want to
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: be fair to Greg. He wasn't doing that. I understand.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: So.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: After he kind of decided to pass up Brown over
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: the middle of the field, Micah Fitzpatrick is playing the post-middle.
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: He jumps A.J. Brown's route because Drake May is looking
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: at A.J.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Brown.
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: He actually almost threw it. So he jumps A.J.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Brown's route, and Dobbs wisely saw that there was nobody
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: in the middle of the field anymore and just took
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: it across the field. And he said Drake's answer to
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: it was it was a three-man rush, so he knew.
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: That he didn't have to go anywhere.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: And then he credited Dobbs for breaking the route off
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: and going across the field.
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: So it was an accident. Like, it's a happy accident
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: for sure. And that's kind of what Greg's point was.
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: 100%.
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: And then, you know, just to illustrate again, like, the
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: Jets just sort of have indecent you know, schemes, but
• 39:31
  Speaker 7: just not executing them. Two guys are five yards away
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: from the line of scrimmage on Douglas in the flat.
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: Another guy is on Henderson in the other flat, the
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: other side, and they have... Like one guy covering this
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: deep in, which is going to be a good chunk
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: play to A.J.
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: Brown.
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: And that's when, as Evan says, Fitzpatrick realizes he's kind
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: of all by himself. I got to go up there.
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: And now it gives again almost six seconds later. He
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: just runs away from the one guy. Dobbs has got
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: one guy with no inside help, no leverage, and he
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: just gets cooked. Because they're squatting on all these routes. Like,
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: there was two guys around Henry, I think, in the
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: middle of the field, too. So they have all these
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: extra guys in coverage, and they're all covering the wrong guys. Like,
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: give them the five-yard pass. Take away the 42-yard touchdown,
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: you know?
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I guess we're going to, I mean, there's not
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of good defenses left on the schedule. I mean, obviously,
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: I just think Buffalo, you've been saying, Paul, that they'll
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: be better, and then Minnesota the next week. Well, maybe not.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: So maybe, I mean, Minnesota and Denver? Kansas City. Kansas City?
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: Green Bay.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Green Bay.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if Michael will be back, but
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: they're getting better defensively.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: Obviously, they've only got 11 games left.
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: I'm going to save it for my fresh take, but
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: I have a take on something like that. We have
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: a fresh take today, right? I've got a fresh take.
• 40:49
  Speaker 13: All right.
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: Green Bay is coming back.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: That team looks good again. All right. 855-PATS-500 is the hotline.
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: Podcasts at Patriots.com is the email address. Let's open it up.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: We'll start with Cole in Minnesota. What's up, Cole?
• 41:02
  Speaker 14: What?
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: Hey, guys.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Hey.
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: Hey, Cole.
• 41:06
  Speaker 14: Just a couple things I was worried about for this
• 41:09
  Speaker 14: next game. It feels like we're finally starting to get
• 41:11
  Speaker 14: back in a flow. You know, Drake Mays throwing the
• 41:14
  Speaker 14: ball good again. I guess I'm really worried that they're
• 41:17
  Speaker 14: going to kind of revert back to week one and two,
• 41:20
  Speaker 14: where there were.
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: A lot of chips at the line, a lot of
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: help for the offensive linemen. You know, I just don't
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: want to, like, I feel like we're not, they're starting
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: to spread things out a little bit. Drake may start
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: to cook. I'm worried. I'm going to have to look
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: at this game through two different lenses.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: Is that what is Drake Megan step up and elevate
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: the rest of the guys? Or is it going to
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: go back to where I got to look at it
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: through like a Justin Herbert lens and be like, well,
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: what are you expecting to do? He's got a bunch
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: of undrafted linemen out there and can protect.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: Take it offline. Appreciate you guys.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: Okay. I mean, what do you think?
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: I understand the long-term concern in this game specifically against Chicago.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: That's kind of how you want to play the Bears.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Their run defense stinks, and they give up a ton
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: of explosive pass plays.
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: That's been really their biggest issues.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: Their numbers defensively are not horrible on the whole, but
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: when you really dig into them, they give up a
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: lot of big plays, and a lot of the big
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: plays they give up in the passing game are off
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: play action, where they're leaving extra blockers in, and they're
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: kind of loading up the protection and sending two or
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: three guys in.
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: Into the route. So uniquely like.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Matchup wise on Thursday night, I actually think that they
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: can play that style of football. If they can run
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: the ball and they can play action off the run game,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: then I think that they can give the offensive line
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: extra help and it might not hurt them in a game.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, they always say, you know, the best,
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: the best offense is a good defense or no, the
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: other way around. The best defense is a good offense.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: And so do you think that when Caleb Williams is
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: playing and Ben Johnson is clicking, it puts pressure on
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: any defense, on any other offense to score points. Will
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: that affect the game?
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: That's how they won Sunday. When they come out, touchdown, touchdown,
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: they immediately put Atlanta in a hole. Eventually it was 31-7.
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: They made a run, but I think Evan's right. Chicago's
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: defense is not good.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: But their offense helps it.
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: Their offense is good.
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: It's very good, but This is another one like the
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: numbers on the defense probably look OK. But when they
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: played competent offenses, they've been shredded like they played the
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: Vikings in a monsoon. Minnesota wasn't. I mean, they were
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: playing with a backup quarterback to start and no one
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: could move the ball in that game. And then, you know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: they play Green Bay a few weeks later and it's like.
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: pitch and catch for Jordan Love. He looked like he
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: was like the best deep ball throw in the history
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: of football.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: He was off play action in that game.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: He was 10 for 11 for 228 yards and a
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: touchdown against him.
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: So if you play a team with an, the Patriots
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: should be able to, to put up some points in
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: this game, even with the offensive line situation, that would
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: be my main concern is that communication. So you're on
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: the road and you know, in primetime environment, it's probably
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: going to be loud there. Are they ready?
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: Like, fundamentally, are.
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: They ready to communicate and make sure that anything that
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: Dennis Allen throws at them, you know, that they're getting
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: in the way? That would be my big concern is
• 44:23
  Speaker 7: that they just don't have enough time to, you know,
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: effectively take part in a shootout.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: This Bears offense is different than what you would expect,
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: I think, in a lot of ways. They don't throw
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: the ball down the field a ton.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: No.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: They possess the ball. They run the football. They are
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: averaging 73 plays a game offensively. It's number one in
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: the league.
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: Mike kept up through that one out there yesterday.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: And they they are right now. They are like a
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: march the ball, sustain offense type of offense. Now they're
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: averaging 25 a game, even with Caleb missing time. But
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: this is not like an explosive downfield passing game right now.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: they play a lot of multiple tight end too. So
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: they don't have a ton of speed, like pure speed
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: on the field most of the time either. So it's a,
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: it's a little bit of a different offense right now
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: than like what you might expect out of like a,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: a true offensive guru.
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: Like they're, they're putting together like long drives.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: The reason he's a guru is he knows how to
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: use his players.
• 45:27
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: But those numbers point to what you were talking about.
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: They use their offense to protect the defense by keeping
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: them on the sideline. You know, we, we made a,
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: a lot of how much the Jets held the ball. Now,
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: that evened out in the second half. The Patriots had
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: the ball most of the second half of the game Sunday.
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: Do you know, like, when the Jets played the Bears,
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: the Bears had it for 44 minutes with their backup
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: quarterback playing.
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: 44.
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: Like, I don't know if I've ever seen that.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: And you can't ask your defense on a Thursday night
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: on short rest to play 70 plays. It's going to
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: get tough in those fourth quarters, you know?
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they have really– that's how they're winning games right now.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: And a lot of it is because of how teams
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: are defending Caleb. Like obviously like, you know, with Drake may,
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: we have the conversations about taking profits and checking the
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: ball down.
• 46:11
  Speaker 8: So he's seeing a lot of too high coverage. He doesn't,
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: no one plays man against Caleb cause they don't want
• 46:16
  Speaker 8: him to run around.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: So they, they play a lot of, they have to like,
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: they kind of have to take what the defenses are
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: giving them. And they, they, they've really kind of won
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: games that way. And the defense only on the field
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: for like 50 plays a game. So even though the,
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: some of the counting stats, like points allowed yards are
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: pretty good. The under the hood numbers, like yards per
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: play and stuff like that are bad. So they're giving up,
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: a lot of yards per play, but they're just not
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: on the field for that much to give up a
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: lot of yards. So, like, when they're on the field,
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: they're kind of getting gashed, but they're just not on
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: the field a ton.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: Well, if you're giving up a lot of yards per play,
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: that's going to shorten the drive for the opposing offense.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: That's part of it, too.
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, do you have to go in with
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: your plan, though, to counter it of, like, we have
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: to possess the ball a little bit? You know, like,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: we can't, you know, as much as you want to
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: have big plays.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: Just score points.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: Just score points.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: Don't think about it too much.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: No, I'm with Deuce.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: I think you don't want to purposely not try to score.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: No, but you take what they're giving you.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: But I think that right now, their time of possession,
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: their play discrepancy, on a short week, you can't get
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: out snapped by 25 snaps.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: That's not... Unless you're scoring.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: Unless you're scoring points.
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: On every other play.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Unless you're putting up explosives left and right, it's going
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: to be a tough way to live.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: Brandon's in Pennsylvania. What's up, Brandon?
• 47:41
  Speaker 13: Hey, how you guys doing? I was on last week.
• 47:42
  Speaker 13: I don't know if you remember me, but the Eli
• 47:44
  Speaker 13: Red in Jersey.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah. How's that working out for you?
• 47:48
  Speaker 13: Well, I'll give you an update on that. I did
• 47:50
  Speaker 13: call the Patriots Pro Shop, and during mid-conversation of the
• 47:53
  Speaker 13: Eli Red in Jersey, I was.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: Hung up on.
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: What?
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Like because they didn't like you, or what happened?
• 48:01
  Speaker 13: All I said was, hey, I'm giving a call here.
• 48:03
  Speaker 13: I was on Patriots on field, and they suggested giving
• 48:04
  Speaker 13: you guys a call looking for a custom Eli Red
• 48:06
  Speaker 13: in Jersey. And I said, we don't have those, and
• 48:08
  Speaker 13: they hung up right up on me. Oh, I got
• 48:10
  Speaker 13: to talk like, Oh, you guys got something else.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: Wow. I'm going to talk to them. That's not right.
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: It's Massachusetts.
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: That's how we are.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Don't take it personally.
• 48:20
  Speaker 13: I'm sorry. I was hurt a little bit, but on
• 48:23
  Speaker 13: that note, I do want to say, I did go
• 48:25
  Speaker 13: ahead and buy a Drake made elite Jersey and phenomenal.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 48:29
  Speaker 13: And I will someday get a stitch.
• 48:31
  Speaker 12: You'll I read in Jersey.
• 48:32
  Speaker 13: If you guys ever hear something, let me know, maybe
• 48:34
  Speaker 13: reach out, but I'm trying so hard to get Eli Raritan.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: Well, and then, uh, We'll look into that.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 48:42
  Speaker 13: And then lastly, I do want to ask your take
• 48:44
  Speaker 13: on how you feel right now, how Eli Reardon is
• 48:46
  Speaker 13: doing on the field.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: You know, my guy. I think he's doing okay. Thanks
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: for the call, Brandon. I just hung up on you.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: I think he's doing okay.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's out there.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just his catch production isn't up there,
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: but he's doing what he needs to do.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: He catches a lot of his targets. He's not getting
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: targeted a ton, but he's caught a lot of them.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: I thought the catch that you talked about earlier, Fred,
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: was a really nice catch to adjust to the back
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: shoulder throw and missed one in the end zone that
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: he probably could have caught, that he probably would want back.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: The blocking has been a little streaky.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: Like there's been some good ones, some bad ones, maybe
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: a little bit better than I expected as a run blocker.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: But I think that there's still a little bit of
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: boomer bust there with the run blocking, but he's done
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: enough to me, like similarly to Ackes where like these
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: flashes that you have, these isolated flashes are enough to
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: get excited about it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Six games in, I mean, third round pick, like you'll take,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I'll take it.
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: Sean's in Vancouver. Hey, Sean.
• 49:43
  Speaker 12: Hey, Fred and Paul, I agree with you about the
• 49:47
  Speaker 12: special teams coverage. That was excellent. That Latu had got
• 49:51
  Speaker 12: me out of my recliner. And Paul, you're saying earlier
• 49:54
  Speaker 12: in regards to addressing the depth with the 10 new players,
• 49:58
  Speaker 12: we saw like four of them on that clock killing
• 50:02
  Speaker 12: drive altogether, like Latu coming in as the third tight end.
• 50:06
  Speaker 12: And then those two.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Guards, Rouse, prior.
• 50:11
  Speaker 12: They were excellent as backup and Corey Kleiner just, I
• 50:14
  Speaker 12: don't think we've seen that all season where they're lining
• 50:18
  Speaker 12: up to run the ball and the other team can't
• 50:20
  Speaker 12: stop them. They know what's coming, which was excellent. So
• 50:23
  Speaker 12: I'm wondering the Bears, they're not great against the run.
• 50:26
  Speaker 12: Are we going to see more Corey Kleiner runs? Is
• 50:28
  Speaker 12: he going to get more carry. So I'll leave you
• 50:30
  Speaker 12: with that.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: Oh, good.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: Um, trivia on Henderson. What was his status yesterday?
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: Full, but I think you will see more of kinder
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: because of Henderson's ankle in the short week. So, uh,
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: I think that that, you know, he said, very well
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: said that they rode the hot hand, but I think
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: some of it might've had to have been doing about
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: how Henderson was feeling and kinder was running well. So
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: it was like a combination of those.
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: Do you think it's possible that the kick returns sort
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: of said, you know, he's running hard today.
• 50:58
  Speaker 9: Hmm.
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: Maybe.
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: He mentioned that, too.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: He said he had a few good kickoff returns, and
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: so they wanted to give him a chance. Henderson obviously fumbled, too,
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: so there was some things, and that's exactly what Vrabel said.
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: But I'm just wondering, like, the hot hand. When did
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: you know it was hot? Like, how did you get
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: it hot? Because it didn't really get hot until the
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: last drive happened.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 51:22
  Speaker 8: Do you know what I mean? It was like eight
• 51:25
  Speaker 8: in a row.
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: That's why I think the kick return sort of showed him, like, okay, Hey, let's,
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: let's try this. Let's see what, and you know, I
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: just think it was one of those, one of those
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: things that just kind of worked out. I, you know,
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: I don't necessarily think it's going to lead to, Oh,
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: all of a sudden he's going to get 20 carries
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: the next game.
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: Um, you know, provided that everybody's healthy.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Just nice to know.
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: You got some health, health being equal.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: He's good in tight spaces.
• 51:52
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: You know, he's good at making himself small and getting
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: through the holes and, He has a little bit of
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: lateral wiggle so that he can kind of jump gaps
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: and things like that. He's got a cool running style.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's not the biggest guy, but I think
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: that he has good vision, hits the hole hard. You
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: say it all the time, Paul, when you're a third
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: running back, that's what you want to do. Just get
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: downhill and get the yards that are there.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: Williams in Montreal.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Hey, Williams.
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: William.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: Hey, guys.
• 52:25
  Speaker 13: Yes.
• 52:27
  Speaker 15: I'm just calling for two quick points. The first one,
• 52:31
  Speaker 15: what do you guys think on shutting Morgan Moses down
• 52:34
  Speaker 15: for the year and letting Caleb Lomu play?
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't shut him down for the year, but I
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: might have him back up Lomu, you know, until he's
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: fully healthy.
• 52:46
  Speaker 15: And then my second point is I don't want to
• 52:49
  Speaker 15: take a shot at Paul's guide, but how about like
• 52:52
  Speaker 15: test Marcus Jones for the spot corner? I'm only watching
• 52:56
  Speaker 15: it on TV, so I can't really like watch every
• 53:00
  Speaker 15: single play for Marcus Jones, but I find that he gets.
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: Beat a lot in coverage.
• 53:03
  Speaker 15: So like maybe like someone like Zildor or Franti when
• 53:07
  Speaker 15: he comes back to give him a push for the job.
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: Paul's going to get mad.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Which play specifically do you see him getting beat in coverage?
• 53:16
  Speaker 15: I wouldn't say anything in the last game, but I
• 53:18
  Speaker 15: would like kind of like an obvious one. And I
• 53:21
  Speaker 15: know it's not the best one to point out. It's
• 53:24
  Speaker 15: the one against like Brock Bowers.
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: Who doesn't get beat by Brock Bowers?
• 53:29
  Speaker 8: Ironically enough, Buffalo. Everybody else beat them.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: Well, it was.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that one's more on that was they
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: were shorthanded at corner and. I don't think that was
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: the matchup that they wanted, ideally, going into that game.
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we cannot judge Marcus Jones' coverage skills on Brock Bowers.
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and it might be like an individual kind of thing, William. Thanks, William.
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: If you wanted maybe Vildo is a little bigger for
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: something like that, maybe the next time they face a
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: team that's sort of limited at a receiver, but they
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: have a big guy like Brock Bowers, maybe you might
• 54:02
  Speaker 7: want to say, I wonder if we could maybe switch
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: this up a little bit And not for more size,
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: but Marcus Jones is one of your best defensive players.
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: And it's not just because I like him. I mean,
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: just his physicality, the way he plays.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Smart.
• 54:17
  Speaker 8: He does get beat in coverage a little bit. He's
• 54:19
  Speaker 8: not the best cover.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Who does it?
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: It's the NFL.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: But he's so competitive. He makes you earn everything. I
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: think he gets beat at the catch point because of
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: his height. He's so competitive. You can't coach that. When
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: he has good matchups, I don't see him getting beat.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: When he's covering Omar Cooper Jr. on Sunday, I thought
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: that's the type of matchup. The speed slots are the
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: guys that he should be going up against. Asking him
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: to cover a 6'6 tight end is not his fault.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: Speaking of Marcus Jones, Marcus Jones on offense, is that
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: something we'll never see again?
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: I think we've evolved past that.
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: You think we're past that?
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: I hope.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Got some explosive offensive players to work with.
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: Too much.
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: Looking ahead to Thursday night, do you have Luther Burden
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: for Marcus Jones or Kalief Raymond? Luther Burden?
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: Well, Luther Burden really only plays in three receiver sets.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: It depends what they're going to play in. I think
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: that's one of the biggest chess matches of this game
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: is the Bears play so much two tight end. They're
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: second in the league in how often they have two
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: or more tight ends on the field. They'll play 12.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: They'll play 13 personnel. So how do the Patriots want
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: to match their big personnel groupings. I assume no Carlton
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: Davis in this game. Uh, so it's probably going to
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: be Gonzalez Jones and woods is the corners, but like,
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: is this a big Jalen Reed game? This is a
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: big base defense game. Like if you come out in
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: three corner nickel again, Chicago with the tight ends, I
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: don't think that that's going to go so well. So
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: like they have to figure out a way to, to
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: figure that out. You know, they've been playing some of
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: the three safety nickel, um, which I like, I think
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: it's a good change up to their regular nickel packages. Um,
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: So maybe it's that. Maybe it's a little bit more
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: of Jalen Reed in a game like this. But those
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: two guys, Raymond and Bird, aren't on the field together
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: a ton because of just the way that they build
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: out their packages.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: All right. Let's go. Uh-oh. Christian in L.A.
• 56:16
  Speaker 9: Hey.
• 56:18
  Speaker 16: Good morning, good morning, good morning.
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: How you guys doing? Good. Who should be benched this week? Well.
• 56:25
  Speaker 16: You know, I am honestly asking you guys, did you
• 56:29
  Speaker 16: see what you needed to see from the team to
• 56:31
  Speaker 16: be convinced that we turned the corner or got over
• 56:35
  Speaker 16: the hump? I was looking for something that seemed like,
• 56:39
  Speaker 16: you know, the play calling had caught up to what
• 56:41
  Speaker 16: Drake liked or identified what Drake's doing and reading well.
• 56:45
  Speaker 16: The defense I was looking for, some sort of, but
• 56:49
  Speaker 16: not a complete shutdown. But I definitely didn't want to
• 56:51
  Speaker 16: struggle and be in a one-point game against the Jets.
• 56:54
  Speaker 16: So moving forward, I do think that we have the
• 56:58
  Speaker 16: tools to neutralize what Chicago does best. But again, I'm
• 57:03
  Speaker 16: looking for this game in Thursday. And I know it's
• 57:05
  Speaker 16: on a short week, but I'm looking for this game
• 57:07
  Speaker 16: to show me that we've gotten over the hump. And
• 57:10
  Speaker 16: I haven't seen it yet.
• 57:11
  Speaker 13: I'll take it off the air.
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: Okay. We haven't gotten over the hump.
• 57:15
  Speaker 8: I don't know what the hump is.
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Is he talking specifically Drake May? Is he talking about?
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: I'm not looking at this game as like some huge
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: referendum on where they're at of the season. It's like
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: this game to me is survive a Thursday night game.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Try to get in there and steal it from the Bears.
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: It's a hard game for any team to be judged
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: by Thursday night on the road.
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: But, I mean, just the whole premise. Like, were we
• 57:39
  Speaker 8: supposed to be peaking in week six?
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: Is that the goal? Because they only beat the Jets
• 57:43
  Speaker 7: by one score, so they're not where they should be.
• 57:49
  Speaker 8: I don't tell people how to feel.
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: I thought this was a better win than a lot
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: of other people did.
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: I'm with you, Paul.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: I think the details weren't as sharp in this game.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: They weren't.
• 58:00
  Speaker 8: We haven't really talked a ton about A.J.
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: Brown.
• 58:02
  Speaker 8: That whole situation, I think, is putting a damper on
• 58:05
  Speaker 8: things for people. The injuries.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: The fact that they did have some detail-oriented things, fumbles,
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: coverage busts, things of that nature are things that tend
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: to irritate people.
• 58:17
  Speaker 8: But why do we ignore when the other teams do that?
• 58:20
  Speaker 7: We don't. Because that's kind of the way football goes.
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: This is my whole point about you find out stuff
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: because it's hard and you get hit back. The Raiders
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: laid down and did nothing. You know, once the game
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: had declared late in the first half and it's 21-7,
• 58:39
  Speaker 7: they went in the locker room down 14 points and
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: decided that was the end of the game.
• 58:43
  Speaker 8: The Jets didn't.
• 58:44
  Speaker 7: They came back out for the second half down 21
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: and said, we're still here. And they forced the Patriots
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: to play in the second half.
• 58:52
  Speaker 8: And I agree.
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: The Patriots didn't look as good in this game as
• 58:55
  Speaker 7: they did against the Raiders. But I think the Jets
• 58:57
  Speaker 7: had something to do with that. It's a high bar.
• 58:59
  Speaker 8: It's a high bar when you're a good team that
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: just went to the Super Bowl.
• 59:02
  Speaker 7: Well, that's what my whole thing, like, did they get
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: over the hump?
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: Like, of what?
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: Like, of being a good team? Being a playoff caliber team?
• 59:09
  Speaker 7: I I think that they've been that.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:11
  Speaker 7: The whole year they went to the Superbowl last year.
• 59:13
  Speaker 7: I think most people feel like this is a playoff
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: team coming back this year.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:17
  Speaker 7: I haven't seen anything to indicate that they shouldn't be
• 59:19
  Speaker 7: in the playoffs. It's also the angle of like, taking
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: care of business when you don't have your best game.
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: And that's something I think good teams do as well,
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: that they're able to win even when it isn't all perfect.
• 59:28
  Speaker 7: That'd be my biggest thing.
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: Like not every game is going to be a Picasso.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: It's not all going to be perfect. It's not going
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: to be a fine piece of art. Like the Raiders
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: game was every single week. Like you're not going to
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: always have your a game and their C plus game.
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: If that was even, that was more than enough to
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: win this game. Like I know it was a one
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: score game. They got a field goal drive at the
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: end of the fourth quarter. Like it, To me, that
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: was the biggest thing. Not every game is going to
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: be perfect. I just look at the game itself. It
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: was what it was. And I know that sometimes I
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: can take it to ridiculous levels. I thought the Jets
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: were very competitive for 60 minutes in this game. But
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: I never, even for one second, thought the Patriots were
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: going to lose. And that doesn't always happen. Sometimes when
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: the games unfold and you're like, you know, the Buffalo game,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it was kind of back and forth.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: It was Mike, Mike do so his rollercoaster game. Like,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: I didn't know how that game was going to end,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: but this game, I know that there was only a
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: touchdown lead. And at times it was less than that.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: It was only four points for, for a good chunk
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: of the second. I just never felt.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: That the Patriots were going to lose. Fred was a
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 8: little frustrated, though, didn't you? Well, I mean, that happens
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 8: to Fred sometimes. He was getting a little worked up
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 8: during the game.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: Run plays that result in three-yard gains sometimes excite him.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: And then other times he just decides, you know, I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: don't know, what are we even doing out here today?
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: No, listen.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: You said that you just lose.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 7: You had some frustration.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: I did. Listen, when Pop Douglas fumbled, I think I wrote,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: this is the kind of thing that loses you the game.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: In a game like that, you know, you can't afford it.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 17: Oh, man.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 7: You were in a bad place for a little while there.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 8: We had to have a little intervention with you.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: I wanted to beat you. Unlike you, Paul, I wanted
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: a blowout. This is not a blowout! I don't want
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: a close game.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: It just amazes me that the guy who said just
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: lose is making fun of the guy who wants this
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: team to actually compete.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: Can't blow him out.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Forget it.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: I wasn't looking for a seven-point game. I tell you
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: that much.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: It's funny, though, because I feel like just in predictions,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: I think we all kind of were like, I think
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: the Patriots are going to win, but it's going to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: be a little close, and I've got to pull away
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: at the end.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I thought. The only thing that didn't
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 7: happen is the pull away at the end part.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: No, I thought that it was going to, like, I
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: think I picked 27-14. I was 27-13.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: I had 33-16.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: It was kind.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 8: Of that kind.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: Of game.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: We all thought it was going to kind of be competitive, though.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 8: None of us thought it was going to be the
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 8: Raider game.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 7: What was the word of the week? Frisky.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 8: Everybody called the Jets frisky.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 7: Then the Jets come out and play a frisky game,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: and everybody's like, what's wrong with the Patriots? That's what
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 7: I would push back on a little bit. I don't
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 7: think the Patriots were that bad. They did everything that
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: Evan said. They were a little sloppy. They had some
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: missed assignments, some physical plays, some mental plays.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 8: Obviously, A.J. Brown, you don't expect to drop passes.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: A frisky team, if that's how you're being categorized, when
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: you're the underdog, You rely on the superior team to
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: make some mistakes.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: Now, you also have to play well, and the Jets
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: didn't do it. The Jets did as many stupid things
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: as the Patriots did.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: But they were frisky.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 8: They were frisky.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: That's why they're frisky, because they don't play.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 8: That's their normal play.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: I agree with you. And that was, to me, the
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 7: difference between the Jets game and the Raiders game. is
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: the Jets continued to be frisky. It was the Raiders
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: were like, ah, we took a shot. It was 14-7
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 7: for a while.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: Now we're done.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: I give the Raiders a lot of credit for bouncing
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: back the next week. They didn't take the shellacking the
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: Patriots gave them, and it didn't carry into the next week.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: I know they lost, but they played well. They played
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: a lot better.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was a similar kind of game to what
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 8: they've been playing, except for the Patriots game.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 8: Like, they're just not good enough.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: Deep past Trey Tucker, too.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 7: A little window dressing at the end. But they were
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: tied in the fourth quarter. It was 23-13. They tied
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 7: it 23-23. And then Allen just did Allen things, which,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: by the way, ridiculously dumb play.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: Ridiculously dumb.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Ridiculous.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, underhand flip.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 8: It's really cool, I know, and everybody clipped it and
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 8: everybody put it on their socials.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: At least he was looking that way this time and
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: not throwing it over his shoulder.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: I don't care where you're looking.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: To throw the ball 15 yards like this, you don't
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 7: know where it's going. I don't care that you saw him.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 7: That just as easily could have gone straight up in
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 7: the air and been like a punt.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Josh Allen, though, he can do that.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: I have a lot of respect for the guy, but
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 7: that's dumb.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 8: That's why he's stuck.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: There's something, that team. I mean, I just think it's
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: amazing when you basically have to score 30 points to win.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 7: That's 4-0. Not while scoring 30 points, Mike, while allowing
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: 30 points. Four and O, allowing 30 points this year.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: Their defense was supposed to be significantly better.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 8: New coaching staff, new scheme.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: Well, eventually. But don't look it.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 8: I mean, it looks worse.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it does look worse.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: We should also mention some other news around the league.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts with the blood clot. I made that Eagles
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: pick before I knew he was out, so I should
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: get a mulligan for that one. Also, I picked the
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: Colts before the season to really do well this year,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: and they just fired their GM because they ain't doing well.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: A lot of drama for our joint practice partners from
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: the Sun. My girl is not happy. She's not happy.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: That's some of the other thing going out in That
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: animal that CJ Gardner got.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 7: Johnson.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: Spitting at people.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: Be careful.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's terrible.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 7: I said at the end of the post-game show, and
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: to me it's another lost opportunity for your new head coach,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: Joe Brady, who evidently is going to stick with him.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 7: I thought that was a great opportunity for him to
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 7: assert control of the organization.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: We can't have that.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: Cut him.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: It's not like he's Ronnie Lott and he lost his mind.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: It's the old adage, when your talent outweighs your attitude.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 7: It doesn't in this case. He's just a run-of-the-mill player
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 7: who's been on a million teams. I would have cut him.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 7: I would have cut him before we even landed back
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 7: home in Buffalo. That Bills team right now feels a little.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: Joe Brady's a great play designer, and he's a great
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: offensive coordinator. I just don't... We're not at head coach...
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: level yet in terms of the ceo stuff yeah with
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: that whole operation and uh i think that like even
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: though he's an offensive-minded head coach and he's the play
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: caller like you're the head coach now like the defense
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: being a mess is on your purview like that's.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: That's under his yeah that's under your.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: Umbrella i understand that you absolutely and aren't that guy
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: like you're not that's not your side of the ball
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: but like still like it's your job to quality control
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: that side of the ball and make sure the.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: Game plan makes sense and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: And so right now he's a fantastic offensive coordinator, but
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: I just don't know if he's taken.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: Now I will give them some credit Buffalo. Not that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 7: I'm just beating up on them. You know, it's easy
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: to look and they say, well, she said the Patriots
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 7: just steamrolled that team. Well, first of all, it was
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 7: on the road. They were out there for two weeks.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 7: They went, they played the Rams. They stayed, They stayed over.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 7: Then they played the Raiders. That's not an easy thing
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: to do.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: That's not easy.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 7: It's not an easy thing to do, even though they should.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: I mean, they I thought they had control of the
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: Raiders game up 10. They had one possession where they
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: didn't score. And all of a sudden they're in a
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 7: tie game. Then they kind of reestablish dominance with a
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: touchdown drive, followed by a three and out and then
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: a field goal drive to get back up by 10
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: and then. they let up a bomb with a minute left,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: which is inexcusable. Like much like, you know, we're talking
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 7: about Mike Rabel, I'm sure is not happy with how
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 7: easily the Jets went down the field to get that
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: late field goal to make it a one score game.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: That was too easy.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 7: Same thing. You know, you can't let Trey Tucker get
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: over the top like that. And just, but I do
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 7: say like, Mitigating circumstances. Two weeks in a row on
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: the West Coast staying out there.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 8: Now they get the bye. But Evan's right.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 7: If they can't figure out how to at least slow
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 7: somebody down, you can't win 34-31 every game.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: That'll be their kryptonite.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 7: So far they have, but... All right.
• 1:07:52
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  Speaker 1: What do you got, Karen?
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  Speaker 5: Well, with a couple of guards injured, I was wondering.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 9: If you know anything about their status and if you
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 9: might have to go outside and bring in some new bodies?
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 10: I think we'll add Andrew Ruptich and Rizzy from guys
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 10: that have been here previously to help us.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Here as we move forward.
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  Speaker 10: I would say that we'd have to stay pretty fluid
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 10: and proud of the way that the guys that were
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 10: in there finished the game. critical drive and one that
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 10: they showed up in good fashion and we were able
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 10: to run the football and take the time down and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 10: the clock down and end the drive with some points.
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  Speaker 3: What was the last scenario.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 17: Where we talked to a couple of the linemen and
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 17: were like, I've never been down to the HKI and
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 17: having to play meaningful snaps, in other words, not clearing
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 17: out the bench. What if there had to have been
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 17: a ninth guy? What's the break last in case of
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 17: emergency play?
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: We'll hold that one for a later date.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 10: There was a scenario or there was a conversation about it.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 10: I'd hate to tell you what it was.
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  Speaker 3: Mike, we asked you about your depth during the preseason.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: You were pretty open. You weren't sure about it.
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  Speaker 12: I think maybe after the Eagles game, preseason game.
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  Speaker 3: You said you weren't a very deep team.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 12: How do you feel about your depth now?
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 10: You guys ask me this question every day. I answer
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 10: it the same way.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I haven't asked that question. I know, but I include you.
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  Speaker 1: You're not any more special than the rest of these guys.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Everybody prepares as a starter.
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  Speaker 10: I can't wait to watch those guys that prepare all
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 10: week without knowing whether they're going to get an opportunity
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 10: to play. Then when they do, take advantage of it,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 10: and that's a testament.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: To them, to those players. Reference the players.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 10: That we signed, they're added to our roster at the
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 10: end of training camp, which was a unique number, I think,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 10: for me. Again, those players got ready to go. They prepared,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 10: whether they were on the active roster or whether they
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 10: were on the practice squad. They Learn the system, learn
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 10: what we want to do, whether it's special teams, whether
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 10: that's offense or defense, and then they've been able to
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  Speaker 10: help us. That's what we have to continue to do,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 10: and then as that gets depleted, then it's the next wave.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Of players that come in to be ready to go
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: on game day.
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  Speaker 7: You guys yesterday described the injury situation as insane.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 13: Have you guys noticed any commonalities or trends with the
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 13: injuries or anything that you guys could do different moving forward?
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: Nope.
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  Speaker 1: It's just kind of how it goes.
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  Speaker 19: Football teams at any level talk about next man up mentality,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 19: but you can't just snap your fingers and have it work.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 19: You guys have had it work very well. Can you
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 19: put your finger on anything you've learned over time or
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 19: that you guys do differently here as a result of
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 19: things that you've worked on?
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Try to coach everybody the same. Try to coach them.
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  Speaker 10: We hold the best players accountable, but we also coach
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 10: every single player that shows up ready to work, ready
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  Speaker 10: to find a way to help.
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  Speaker 1: The football team. We've been through this.
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  Speaker 10: We played 91 guys in whatever, 2000 and 21, so
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 10: it's not like we're not used to understanding that things
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 10: are going to happen along the way.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: I think the players start to recognize that. They see that.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 10: They try to find a role, earn a role, figure
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 10: out what they can do how many different positions other
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 10: guys can play, whether that's tackle and guard, safety, nickel,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 10: you know, linebacker, gunner. Like, we really are just trying
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 10: to find ways to help the team.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: And then guys have embraced that.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: With the offensive line group, can you just speak to
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 7: the job Doug Marone has done with those guys and
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 7: having them ready to go each week?
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah, and I think all three of those guys, Dougie
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 10: and Haas and J.D., they just, you know, are able
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 10: to get guys ready to go, get them the reps
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 10: that they think they need, whether.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: That's walk-through reps or.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 10: Getting Walter ready, getting Matt ready, being able to get
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 10: Caleb ready on both sides to beat a swing tackle,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 10: play left one week, play right. Those are all real positive,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 10: and we'll need their best efforts this week as we
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 10: move forward.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: Mike, you talk a lot about sense of urgency. What's
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: the sense of urgency in a week like this Is
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: it mental and then just making sure that your body
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: gets what it needs treatment-wise and everything else?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 10: I think that's probably something that we've always talked about
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 10: is trying to be, you know, win the mental prep
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 10: and the physical recovery. You know, there's only so much
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 10: that you can do physically here over the next couple days,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 10: and it's got to be done mentally, but also the
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 10: physical recovery that you have to put in and know
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 10: by Thursday night you'll feel good.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: What impresses you the most about this Thursday? Physical.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 10: You know, it's a physical football team. Defensively, they're connected.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 10: They play really well as a unit, whether that's the
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 10: pressure that they are able to create and the moving
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 10: parts and the coverage concepts that they have to go
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 10: with it. You know, Dennis has always done a great job.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 10: Players understand it. They play fast. You know, they get
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 10: off the field. You know, offensively, they extend drives. They
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 10: run the football, you know, I've been without Caleb for
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 10: a couple weeks, but certainly you can see the impact
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 10: that he makes. The runners, anybody that touches the ball
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 10: is going to be a physical player. It's going to
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 10: be a tough tackle. We'll have to be great tacklers
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 10: and do something to try to change the fact that
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 10: their offense is out there for 73 snaps and their
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 10: defense is out there for 50.
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  Speaker 17: How have you seen Caleb Lowe move and grow and
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 17: improve since the season began?
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 10: Trying to get ready each and every week. A lot
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 10: of new things for him. It's a new league for him.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 10: Coming from college, being 21, it's a tough position.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: To be able to go out there and play. I
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: think he's gotten better.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 10: I think that's the goal is to continue to invest
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 10: in the young guys and coach them and know that
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 10: that's going to pay dividends down the road.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 7: When it comes to Milton Williams, Um, he said yesterday that.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: You probably liked that. So it was pretty funny.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: I got to admit, um, you know, you talk some
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 7: snack on the sidelines and stuff like that.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 10: I'm just curious, uh, how you see him respond to
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 10: that and what it was like to see him.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 6: Get his first.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I talk, I say that all the time,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: not just on the sidelines.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, I, this is part of coming to work
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 10: and trying to have a connection with these guys.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: And I appreciate what mill does.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 10: I think that his leadership and his efforts and his impacts, um,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 10: And I know that every player wants great stats, but
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 10: to be able to be disruptive and to play hard
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 10: and do some of those things that he does and
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 10: has continued to do in the last three weeks have
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 10: really helped us defensively. But, yeah, I mean, I hope
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  Speaker 10: that they give it back to me, which they do,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 10: or they give it to me, and it's back and forth.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 10: But I think that's just part of spending a lot
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 10: of time with each other and getting to know each other.
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  Speaker 3: To give it back to you?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: No. I mean, I'm fine with it. Trust me.
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  Speaker 7: This morning you called the turnovers embarrassing. Is there anything
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 7: you can do differently in coaching or is it just
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 7: a matter of guys taking on us and holding on
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 7: to the ball?
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 10: We'll rep it more. We'll put more time into it,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 10: I guess. I don't know how you can put any
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 10: more time into the amount of ball security drills we do.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 10: Take a bigger onus of protecting a guy with the ball.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 10: Somebody you know, beats me across my face and hammers
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 10: the ball out that, you know, to share half the fumble.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: So, but yep, I'm, I'm certainly cognizant. Yeah. You can
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  Speaker 1: put it on me. That's probably the easy.
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  Speaker 5: take of the day?
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  Speaker 7: I'm going to push back a little bit on this
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 7: whole notion that suddenly the Patriots' schedule is easy again,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 7: like it was last year. People are looking at teams
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 7: like the Chargers and saying, well, everybody thought that was
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 7: going to be a tough game, and obviously that doesn't
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 7: look like a tough game, but I've seen people penciling
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 7: in wins for these NFC North games, and I think
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 7: the NFC North division specifically is a bear. No pun
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 7: intended with the upcoming opponent.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: Tough teams.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 7: I've seen people penciling wins over Chicago and Green Bay, and.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 8: I just don't know how you do it.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 8: Green Bay is getting much better.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: That team is going to be a better team in
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 7: a month and a half than it was two weeks ago.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 7: Their defense is pretty solid. Evan's been bringing up the
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 7: point about Micah Parsons being back. I think Jordan Love
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 7: is starting to figure it out. Oh, by the way,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 7: Josh Jacobs has now been removed from the commissioner's exempt list.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 7: That will not be an easy game. Minnesota, with all
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 7: the stuff that they do, will not be an easy game.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 7: Thursday night, you're banged up with Chicago. This is going
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 7: to be a tough schedule. This is not going to
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 7: be an easy cakewalk.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: One of your guys last night, Jim Murray, said that
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: the Bears game is a layup. A layup?
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 7: Come on.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: Come on.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 8: That's because he doesn't like Caleb. He hates Caleb Williams.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you can hate him, but he's still
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: a good quarterback.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 8: No, he cried in college. And he paints his nails.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: I know. Still. Listen, it's not going to be a layup.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: I can tell you that much.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 7: This is going to be a very good win. If
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 7: the Patriots pull off the win Thursday night and someone wants,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 7: I mean, unless Chicago just completely craps themselves and hands
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: you the game. That's going to be a very good win.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 8: If they win on Thursday night, I'd be really impressed.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: That's good. You're a legal seafood. Fresh take of the day.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: There ain't no easy games this year.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 8: They got two against Miami.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 7: Those are easy. Oh, come on. And they're going to
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: play a winless Chargers team. That's going to be pretty easy, too.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: Counterpoint, their future DVOA is the fourth easiest schedule in
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: the league the rest of the way.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 8: I know, but I don't think.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: A lot of that is Miami twice, the Jets again,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: the Chargers.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 8: Like, they have some cupcakes. Mm-hmm.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: But I'm with you on the NFC North. That is
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: a really good division.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: But just in general, those numbers don't really tell. I
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 7: think if you're looking at Green Bay right now, that's
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: an easy game. I don't think that's what you're getting.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 7: The last two weeks, they look like a different team.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 7: So give them five games like that in a row,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 7: and maybe their DVOA is a lot better.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: When's the best time to judge a schedule?
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 7: After the season. That's right.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: It's a Fred-ism.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 8: The AFC does a lot of help for them with those.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 7: The two Miami games make that schedule look a lot
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 7: easier than it is in the Chargers.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Podcasts at Patriots.com is the email address. Let's get to
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• 1:21:40
  Speaker 7: What do I do now?
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: Super off-topic question for Fred. I don't know what. But
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: I've always wondered, why do you pronounce the Rams like
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: ROMs when doing picks? Is there some inside joke? Going
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: on there, or old episode reference I missed. I've always
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: been perplexed by that. Well, no, it's a shout out
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: to Bob Sose. Homage. Who calls them the ROMs. He
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: has a tendency to pronounce all his A's as soft A's.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: We got it yesterday with Kam Latu.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: Kam Latu and Will... Will Comble.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 8: Does he call him Comble?
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: He said it because it was a call during the game.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: He goes, there's a Patriot down in the field, and
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: it's Will Comble.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 8: It's Cam Newton.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 7: It's Com Newton.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: I love Bob.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: I love Bob.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: I got to do a show with Bob yesterday.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: Did you know that?
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 13: Him and Zoe.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 7: He subbed in yesterday on Patriots This Week. Thanks, Brian Hoyer.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: Also, people need to give Dobbs the same grace and, oh,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: it's okay, darling. You'll get there. treatment that AJ is
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: getting from fans.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 7: Oh, wow.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: Basically saying people are harder on Dobbs than AJ Brown.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 7: They have been. That's accurate.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: I think AJ Brown kind of got killed coming off
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: this game, and he played bad, so I'm not saying
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: it's wrong.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: He got the Bronx chair during the game.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 8: During the game.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that there's been some pretty pointed criticisms
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: about AJ Brown, but granted, I'm in this eco-chamber thing
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: where I hear everything.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: Don't judge the fans by what you hear on the radio.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: No, but I would say that for the most part,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 7: and I'll put myself in this category, like I've been
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 7: focusing on the fact that A.J. Brown was able to
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 7: get open consistently in that game. I don't think they
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 7: necessarily forced the ball to him. I think he kept
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 7: dropping it.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 7: Like that's like a different story. But the reason why
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 7: I'm harder on Dobbs. It's because Brown's a better player.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 7: I expect him to bounce back. I worried about Dobbs'
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 7: ability to do that because I don't think he's as good.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Dobbs had a weird year. Very, very strong.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: His yards per catch is like 18. But he doesn't
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: have that very many catches. But all of his catches
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: have been big, big plays. Like 63 yards against Pittsburgh.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: 42-yard touchdown last week against the Jets.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 7: What is that stat? Is it like EPA per route
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 7: run or something like that? Yeah, like yards per route run.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 8: He's like in the top 15 in the league. Yeah,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 8: because he's catching bombs.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 7: Because of that.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah. But I'm with you with A.J.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: Brown. I thought.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: If he had to have a bad game, I'd much
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: rather it look like that than look like he's stuck
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: in the mud and can't run. I thought he had
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: great juice. I thought he looked explosive. I thought he
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: looked healthy. I thought he was getting open. He just
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: couldn't catch the ball.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: I just couldn't believe the onside kick.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 7: That was the other ones I was almost laughing at.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: Well, at that point, I think it had snowballed on him.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 7: So I have a question.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: I can't believe that one.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: That was like a minor little topic. People were like,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 7: I can't believe after all those drops they had him
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 7: on the hands team.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 7: Now, one part of me would be like, well, A.J.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 7: Brown would be a staple on the hands team. But
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 7: I do wonder if Dobbs was supposed to be there
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 7: and A.J. Brown was replacing Dobbs just in this particular game.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: That's an interesting question.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 8: They also, I didn't. track this live for some reason
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 8: but he also fumbled yeah.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah aj brown on one of the passes yeah i didn't.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 20: Know that yeah he fumbled was he credited with the
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 20: phone they went back and they reviewed it right no
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 20: they didn't review it he got the ball punched out
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 20: and it bounced right back up into his chest and
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 20: he was able to recover it so and it looked
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 20: so it didn't really you didn't see it.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 7: Now I'm with Rabel.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 8: But Rabel saw it.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 5: No, that's what I'm saying. That added to his frustration.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 7: Of course. Because unlike PFF, he counts those as turnover-worthy plays.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 7: When the ball gets fumbled, it's a turnover-worthy play.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: That would have been a turnover-worthy play.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 8: Because you can't guarantee that you're going to recover.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: It literally bounced right back to him.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 7: He was lucky.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: I love those. Let's see. Jeremiah writes in, with the
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: firing of Indy's GM and Washington's awful start to the season,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: A lot of talk about players being available. A lot
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: of fans want Taylor and Nelson. Quentin Nelson. I'll take him.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah. Quentin Nelson could be on the block.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 8: That's not far-fetched.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but both kind of seem like a long shot,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: especially Taylor. Is there anyone from those teams you could
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: see or would like the Patriots to add?
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 8: Stephon Diggs.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just kidding.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the Colts are in a different spot.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 7: The team that I want to sort of look and
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 7: parse through the roster is the Eagles. Hmm. Cause I
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 7: think Howie Roseman is a very good general manager and
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 7: he'll look at this as an opportunity.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: And a buddy of Elliot Wolf.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 7: But the Colts, I think they're probably going to look
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 7: at this and say, you know, we got to get
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 7: out of our own way and we can put a
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 7: couple of wins together. Well, you know, Nelson is a
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 7: guy that I think, I think I read, I think
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 7: I read our boy Solak today and he, I think
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 7: he might have a year left. So he could be,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: you know, I think Jonathan Taylor just signed.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 8: Um, I think Nelson could be available.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: Greg Doyle, who's a long-time columnist in Indy, 2G' s YEL.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: He wrote that get ready for a complete breakdown and
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: a long rebuild.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 7: Well, they need a quarterback. The thing that Benjamin Solak
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 7: was talking about today was does Steichen do enough in
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 7: the rest of the way to warrant coming back to
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 7: help the next quarterback, because his track record with quarterbacks, really,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson notwithstanding, has been pretty good. You know, he
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 7: was really good with Jalen Hurts. He was really good.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: With Daniel Jones. But don't you think that hiring a
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: new GM, he's probably going to get his own coach?
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 7: Well, I think that they got rid of this GM
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 7: because they don't want him having anything to do with
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 7: whoever the next quarterback is.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, because he just gave Daniel Jones the contract, right?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 8: No, well, not necessarily.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 7: It's probably going to end up that way because I
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 7: don't think the Colts are going to turn it around, but...
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: Let's say the Colts win eight or nine games. You
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 7: could say, okay, so he obviously has the ability to coach.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 7: He's done well with mid-quarterbacks. Let's see if we can
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 7: get a good young quarterback that he can develop. It
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 7: didn't work with Anthony Richardson, but he also got hurt.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: He's also, I mean, that was a bad pick.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah. But it was supposed to be sort of a
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 7: developmental guy, and then he gets hurt constantly. Like, even
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 7: your guy had no, like, he couldn't do it with
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 7: Trey Lance.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 7: What would you give up for Quentin Nelson? So I
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 7: thought Solak made a lot of good points today. I'm
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 7: stealing them all from him, by the way.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: What would you give up for Quentin Nelson?
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 7: Left guard. He's a left guard.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 7: What would you give up for him?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 8: So what would we do with Veritaker?
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: Fourth round pick.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: Veritaker's hurt.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 8: Move him to right guard.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: Okay, so now we're going to trade for Quentin Nelson.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: Now we're going to have three guards that we're paying
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: big money to. One of them is going to move
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: from left to right.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 7: Oh, Evan. I just.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 8: I mean, are we going to.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 5: So no, you wouldn't... So just the answer is no.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: You don't you don't have to like disgrace me for
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: asking the question.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 8: I'm not disgracing you.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: I'm explaining to you the logic of the trade.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 8: I would be interested in that.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 7: I don't know what, I'm not good at predicting what
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 7: these guys would, you know, maybe a day three pick,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 7: like a fourth round pick or something.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: I don't know. How old is he?
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 8: He's getting older.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 4: He's a hell of a player and maybe a hall
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: of famer, but like, that's a lot of money and
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: a lot of resources invested in guard.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 7: We couldn't figure out what to do with him.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: Didn't they just sign Daniel Jones this offseason and they
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: re-up on all of this?
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: It's a friendly deal.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 7: It's a small deal?
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 8: It's a short-term deal. Short-term, short money.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: It's good money for him.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 7: It's good money.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: It's one of those deals that looks better than it
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: is with a lot of fuck on it. I'm not
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: saying they can't use Quentin Nelson. It's a lot of
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: moving parts. It's a lot invested in guards. Not investing
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: in the offensive line.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: That's all it is right now is moving parts.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: Quentin Nelson's not going to come in here and play right.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: It's not like it's the picture of stability right now.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: I understand that. Did you see AVT get hurt? Did
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: you see what it was or did he just kind
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: of disappear? How do you pull a hammy?
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: On the line.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 8: Fred had a game. He tried to open it up.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 7: Fred had a game on Sunday. Can I just tell
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 7: you that?
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 8: The comedy level was high.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: I've got the earphone in my ear, so I don't
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: know how loud I'm talking.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 7: I wish that we had you mic'd up when Ramondre
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 7: Stevenson got stuffed inside and bounced outside and got like
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 7: a yard.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 8: And you just went, there you go.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 5: There it is. I like the effort.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 8: I think he got three yards on the play.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: I don't care. I like the effort.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 8: That's what they do every play to get three yards.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 8: That's why Corey Turner was so impressive.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 7: At the end of the game because I don't think
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 7: they were.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: Blasting holes for him.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 8: He was creating yards.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 5: I liked trying to go outside. I liked it.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: It is funny because Fred is doing his blog so
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: he's a little bit in his own world, you know,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: so he'll just like come with random questions to us
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: of like, who is that?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 7: I can only imagine what he's dealing with because it's,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 7: you know, it's, The guys that we hear from, like,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 7: you know, are they going to cut this guy?
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 8: Are they going to bench that guy? This coach needs
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 8: to go.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: He's calming the masses.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: He's trying to maintain order.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 7: I have an issue with Doug Marone. Doug Marone was
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 7: making do with, like, the eighth and ninth offensive linemen
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 7: the other day.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: But now I preemptively, you know, call people out. So
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: I'm like, guys, if the Jets score on the first drive,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 5: I don't want to hear you saying that the sky
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 5: is falling. It's the first drive script. You know, we
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: see this all the time. Don't freak out. So, I
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: have to... That's good.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 8: Keep them in their place.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: That's good. I already told you.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: Let's see. Anthony writes in, I have no issue with
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 5: Christian from L.A. I actually like his contribution to the show,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: but I can't help but chuckle every time I see
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: Lomu get praise for his play. Because he was very
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: against that pick. Christian and L.A.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 8: So was I. I ate my crow about that on Catch-22.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: I had.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: They have needed him and he's risen to the occasion
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: and he's played well. And I, I think the biggest
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: thing to me at the time was, I just felt
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: like they weren't in the, at a point in the,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: build here where they could take luxury picks where they
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: could draft third tackles but.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: You call it a luxury pick they needed a tackle
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 5: moses moses more you know morgan moses was not.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: It was a luxury pick like they didn't they needed
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: it they needed a future right tackle they didn't need
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: a right tackle that day no you probably.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 5: Were going to need them this year you knew that.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah but like they needed vidarian low last.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 5: And i don't think it's the one tackle is luxury.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 8: I just felt like they weren't there yet.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: Especially when you've got Drake May, young quarterback, you're trying
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: to do everything you can to help him. They've done
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: a lot in the wide receiver court, you know, on paper.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: They've done a lot on the offensive line. So I
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: looked at it as kind of a necessary pick.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: See, I mean, when you put the 11 starters on
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: both sides of the ball, they didn't need a tackle.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 8: They had Campbell and they had Moses.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: They needed a right tackle of the future, a successor
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: to Morgan Moses, no doubt about that. But they didn't
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: need that if you had a hole on the roster
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: and you're looking at it going into the draft.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: It wasn't a hole necessarily, but you knew you were
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: going to need it. Really, you know, in the near future,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 5: not in the distant future.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I guess. I mean, it turned out that way,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 8: so they.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 7: Were right about it.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Elliot Wolfe.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 8: I just think to say that it was a glaring
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 8: hole at the time.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 7: They really needed him on the left side last week.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 7: Was that why they got him?
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 5: No, they didn't get him. That's not why they got him.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: They got him for the right side.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: But they ended up being right. They've had injuries, and
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: he's played, and he's played well.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 8: Then I like the pick even less.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 5: Everything is we'll see.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 7: Let's put it that way.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: Everything is we'll see.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 7: But if they got him, and they planned on playing
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 7: a guy who's never played the right side, and they
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 7: say he's our right tackle, then I'm with Evan even more.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 7: I like the pick even less.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: Well, isn't that what they did?
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 7: I don't know what they did.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 8: They took a tackle, a depth tackle.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 7: And whoever got hurt, they were going to try to play,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 7: but like, you don't know that he was going to
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 7: be able to play the right side.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: I think that they had, that's.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 8: The first time he demonstrated the ability to play.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: On the right side. But I think they had designs
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: on making him a right tackle. Agree.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 7: We'll see. And they've, they've been right.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm not like, I'm, I'm trying to give them credit.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 4: Like they've been right about this. They, both their tackles
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: have gotten hurt and back to back weeks. And he's
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: stepped up and he's.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 7: I'm in between you two guys. I, I'm not, I'm
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 7: not anywhere. I'm kind of more on your side.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: Um, Of course, Deuce is Switzerland over here. No, I
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: like the pick.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: I like the pick.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 7: I didn't love the pick, but I didn't dislike it
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 7: like you did.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: Protect Drake May. That's the priority one.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: Long term.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 7: I don't think you need to take him in the
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 7: first tackles back-to-back years in the first round to protect
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 7: your quarterback.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 8: And I think you kind of saw it on Sunday.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: MJ writes in.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 8: You got your eighth and ninth line out there.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 7: I'm laying down my sword.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: You're fine.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: Here we are getting into an argument about it again. Like,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: Suddenly we're back to 2023. Our tackles don't matter.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: Geez, no matter what, even when Christian L.A. doesn't call,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: he creates an argument.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 8: I'm not saying I was wrong.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: They were right for drafting Lomu, and we're still arguing
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 8: I like the new deuce.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 7: The passive-aggressive deuce is my new favorite deuce. The shots
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 7: he takes at me.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 8: So it's the same.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 7: It's the same now to get veteran guys that have
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 7: played in the league and just plug them in on
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 7: the offensive line.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 8: As opposed to just putting.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 8: I even forget this guy's name. What was the guy's name?
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: Trey.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: What was his name?
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: Trey.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: Demontre Jacobs.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 8: Demontre Jacobs. Like, that's the same thing? We're comparing that?
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: I don't want to get to that point again. I mean,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: I just brought him up.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 8: But Arian Lowe is fine, by the way. He played
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 8: fine when he had to play last year. And he's
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 8: played fine this year for San Francisco.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 7: Fine player.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 8: On the left side, right side?
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: All right. MJ writes in, is anyone else ticked off
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: by the sideline interviews of the coaches? They are meaningless.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: The coaches never say anything enlightening. It's all the cliches
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 5: like we need to work harder, offense, defense, special teams
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: need to elevate their play. I hate this segment and
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: want to see it gone. Let me know if anyone
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: else remembers someone saying something that is actually useful.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: I have not watched a single one of those. Either
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: we're up in the press box or here and I'm
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: running to get our food.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 7: I hate interviews, period. I never saw really anything. But
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 7: the only thing that I would say that, you know,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 7: every once in a while you hear something that makes
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 7: you say, oh, my God, I can't believe that. Evidently,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 7: Aaron Glenn thought they were getting the ball to start
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 7: the second.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 8: Half of this game. Is that a story that was
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 8: making the rounds?
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: He did say it.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 7: That's kind of a peek inside the window of a
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 7: poorly coached team.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: They do it because every once in a while you
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: get something notable.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 8: No, you've never get anything. It's rare.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 7: It's rare.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 8: Player interviews, coach interviews.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: Awful.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: But sometimes you get the coach who's like really mean
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: and he, you know, It's a story because of how
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 5: he treated the interviewer.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 8: And then it becomes about the interviewer. It's not about
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 8: what he says.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, Steve Sarkeesian?
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like poor Holly Rowe got disrespected in a college game.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 8: It's so bad. The coaches don't want.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 5: To do that.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 8: The only time that I've ever seen it really be
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 8: good was.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 4: sorry, a receiver like crab chief from Richard, which is
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: like maybe one of the most iconic.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 8: So that's, but that's what it takes.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 6: Interviews.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 4: I Richard, I do want to defend sideline porters a
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: little bit though. They do a lot of stuff off
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 4: camera to aid the broadcast.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 8: Oh, I'm not ripping the sideline report.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: I know you're not.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying for the email or that, like their
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: job is a lot more than just those interviews with
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: the coaches in between interviews.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 8: Halves and stuff like that.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're their eyes and ears down there.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: Right, so like when guys are getting checked out for
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: injuries or leaving the field.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's value in that.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: The broadcast up top is not necessarily looking at all
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: that kind of stuff in there. They're sort of like
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: doing a lot of talking off camera.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 7: Even when they're talking about like what's going on on
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 7: the bench, not necessarily an injury, like... Bill Belichick just
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 7: had the whole defense over here for an extended period
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 7: of time and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 7: interesting to me. That's interesting insight that I'm not going
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 7: to get from an interview.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: Did you see the clip going around of the sideline
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: reporter post-game interview with Josh Allen and she pats his butt? No.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 7: Tracy Wilson?
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 8: No, I don't know who it was.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 7: Good job. That's what she did say. I didn't see that,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 7: but I actually was listening because that was right around
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 7: the time I got home the other day. And I
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 7: do always find it interesting just how much they all
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 7: know everyone. She's getting ready to interview Josh Allen and
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 7: he turns and he goes, how you doing, Trace?
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 8: And I was just like, how.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 7: Casual they were with each other.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 8: Like kind of like stood out to me.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 7: And then like Tracy Wilson has that relationship with literally
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 7: hundreds of players. Cause she's done it. She's the ultimate professional.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 7: She's done it forever. And she's, she's really good at
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 7: that role, but that I didn't actually see it. So
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 7: I didn't smash.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 8: I didn't see the pat on the butt.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: Do you find it? You got it. Who is it?
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: Tracy Wilson.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 8: I told you, Tracy Wilson interviewed Josh Allen.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: When did it happen?
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Sunday.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 7: Maybe he's just.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: This Sunday.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: Maybe she's just really... Like, she misjudged... You can't do that.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 7: Well, she's also so small.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: Can you imagine if a male reporter did that to, like,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: a WNBA player?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 7: Oh, well, that'd be different.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: You know what they say, too, is that what happens
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: in Vegas stays in Vegas, so she was probably, you know,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: going that route.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 7: You can't do that.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 8: That's not professional. I'm sure she didn't do it on purpose.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: What do you mean?
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: She probably went to, like, go, like.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: Oh, no, no, no.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: They're trying to say in the headlines that she was
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: aiming for his back, but because she's so short, she
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: hit his butt. Yeah, like, I don't think it was.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: You really think.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 8: I'm going to say I'm going to be guilty of...
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 8: purposely try to slap him on the butt.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 5: Watch it. Watch it.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 7: I will.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: Just watch it.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: I will.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 7: I will watch it.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 8: Just watch it and tell me what you think.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 7: And I'm guilty because I like Tracy Wilson and I'm
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 7: going to see her side of it.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, tell me what you think. I know.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: Ev, you like Josh Allen. I'm surprised you can't see
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: why she would do it.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 8: No, not like that.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: She couldn't reach his back. It was too high.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 5: Why are you patting anybody?
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 8: So did you guys, speaking of the media thing.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: Anywhere.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 7: No, but so that's a fair point. Did you see
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 7: this thing in San Francisco where the guy went off
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 7: on a fellow 49ers reporter? It was on like, I
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 7: saw it on awful announcing.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 7: A guy who covers the team went off on somebody
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 7: else who covers the team. Because he just, like, after games,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 7: he goes in the locker room and he hugs all
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 7: the players.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: I did see that.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 8: I heard that.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 7: A reporter?
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You're supposed to do fist bumps.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 7: Grant Cohn. Oh, yeah.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: Wait, Grant Cohn went off or he was the guy hugging?
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 8: He went off on the other guy. He's like that.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 8: That doesn't surprise me.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 7: But he's right. He goes, I hate him.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 8: There's a lot more context here. This is a beef.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 8: These two have a beef.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: Okay, but you shouldn't be hugging players.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: Okay, but this is... I don't know the situation. I'm
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: obviously not there. I am a little familiar with the
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: 49ers beat, as you could imagine. And the two of
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: them feud a lot because Kona's kind of like the Volan.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: He's kind of like the... more of a negative slant.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: And Lombardi's more of like the homer. You know, like
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: he's more positive.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: And so they have an ongoing beef with each other
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 4: about all this kind of stuff.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 5: But if the guy's positive, that's fine. But if he's
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 5: in there hugging players.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 8: There's a difference between being positive and like that.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't know. Right, it may not be true.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 8: I wasn't there.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: So I don't want to speak on that. I'm just
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: telling you the backstory about the two people.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I said if. Rick Lawson in Riverside.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 7: I could see that happening here. Couldn't you?
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, I wish it would. A hug? No, I
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: wish there was a beef in the media.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 7: I think there could be plenty of beef in the media,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 7: but I could see people hugging after the game. I
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 7: could absolutely see that. I could think of five or
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 7: six guys.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 8: I don't even want to like germs.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: I don't want fist bumps only. You shouldn't be touching.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 5: Right. No touching. Like, if I'm a player, like, don't
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 5: touch me.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: You shouldn't be touching them no matter what the reasoning
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: behind it is.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 7: If you're really doing your job, like, really doing the job,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 7: you shouldn't really be affected one way or the other
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 7: by a win or a loss.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: I'll shake a hand and say thank you, but that's
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: where I draw the line.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 8: Really, I'd rather have you just say thank you and
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 8: be on with it.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, like, the little fist bump when you
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: say hello to the person, like, acting like they're a
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: human being before you start.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: I don't even think you need to do that.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you need a little bit.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 5: It's not a, it's, anyway. Rick in Riverside. Campbell, Wilson,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 5: Lomu are promising young players to build around. We need
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 5: a right guard and a healthy AVT. The time May
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 5: had to throw the ball on Sunday was amazing. My question,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: do you keep Lomu as a starter at right tackle,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: even with a healthy Morgan Moses? I say yes. I
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: think it is accurate to say Moses has dropped off
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 5: this season either due to age or health. I would
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 5: keep Lomu at right tackle and let the future begin now.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, I get what he's saying, but I would
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: continue to ride Morgan Moses. He had really tough matchups, too,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: to go through. And I don't deny that he's probably
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: tapering off, but I think the longer you can stretch
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: it out and let Lomu not get thrown into the fire,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: the better. I think that bore itself out with the
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: opportunity he's gotten here early on, that he's played pretty well.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 7: And Fred, if you're right and that's strictly the plan,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 7: if he's the right tackle, then yeah, keep playing him
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 7: because he needs experience at right tackle. He's never played there.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: He looks a lot better at it than, like, in
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: this game. I was impressed by how comfortable he was.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 7: I was a little concerned because I thought that his
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 7: strong play the previous week might have had something to
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 7: do with the fact that he was at his normal
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 7: position on the left side.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: And what did you think of David Bailey's game overall?
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 8: He was 20 yards downfield all game.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I didn't understand it.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: How they're using him.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to take anything away from the
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: offensive line because, you know, when you get that many
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: guys banged up. But, like, I didn't really think the Jets–
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: like sold out to rush the passer in this game. Uh,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 4: they played a lot of coverage schematically, but on top
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: of that, I think that keeping Drake in the pocket
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: and preventing scrambles and that sort of stuff was more than,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: it was more of like a mush rush game plan
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: than it was like the week before they just teed
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: off on Deshaun Watson.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 8: They just went right after him.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: Uh, Bailey, I thought, um, I think he's got some
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: good speed and I think, you know, I think he's got, uh,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: some real explosiveness. Uh, he's, he's got to develop maybe
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: a little bit more, uh, you know, secondary rush moves, power,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: that sort of thing.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 8: And Lomu played him in college.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: And so I think he kind of knew him pretty well, uh,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: going into the game. I think that was big for
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: him too. Uh, but I, I impressed by the motor
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: and like the explosiveness that he has. You can definitely
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: see like his speed jumps off the tape at you, but,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: He needs a little bit more seasoning in terms of
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: the rush package, I would say.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 5: Spian Fresno writes in, enjoying the Fred and Evan antagonism
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 5: this season. Keep it coming. And shout out to Chris
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: Hogan for lending Hunter Henry the cloak of invisibility.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: Absolutely. You don't think I'm antagonizing.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: You are. Am I?
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 7: I do.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: You do?
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 8: And I'm here for it. Normally, that's me that you're
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 8: doing that to.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: I think that's what you're good at, Fred.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: Antagonizing people?
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, you definitely would antagonize Eric. I remember that.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 5: That I did.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: You get the little devil look in your eyes. You
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: don't say something, Evan, and look over at me and
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: give me the old eyebrows like you used to do
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: to Eric. You knew when you had Eric, too, on
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: the run, and then you just would double down and
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: hammer and hammer back into the corner.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 5: To the point where he's actually walked off the set
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: a couple times. That's why he didn't go to HR.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: I saw this great t-shirt. It said, go ahead, call HR.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 5: I love that. Bart in Poland. Unfortunately for us, the
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: Jets have talent on their roster, and they're getting an
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: additional top 10 pick because the Colts are imploding, and
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 5: they'll probably get a top 20 pick from Dallas Green Bay.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: Of course, all will be decided on if they hit
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 5: on a quarterback, but if they do, they'll be scary
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: in the future. The Titans beating the Colts was really
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: a horrendous scenario. Not only the Jets pick got better,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 5: but the Dolphins' immediate rival to the top pick won
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: a game. And before people say that we shouldn't worry
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: about that, I'm sure that the Bills also shouldn't have
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 5: worried we lost all those games that gave us Drake.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 7: I don't know, man.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: The Jets have had talent before. I feel like Garrett
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: Wilson's going to be on the way out, and Omar
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: Cooper's going to start to peak, and then he's going
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: to be, you know.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: The Jets, they have their own first-round pick, the Colts'
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: first-round pick. And then the better of the Cowboys or Packers.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: And I think it will probably be the Cowboys. Uh,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 4: so there's a chance that they could have their own
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: first round pick might be a top 10 pick eventually.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 8: And, uh, the Colts might have a top 10 pick
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 8: as well.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: So they, they might be in for like three top
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: 20 picks.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: You know, if you factor the Cowboys into that too.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 7: Apropos of nothing, as I like to say, um, If
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 7: you're a playoff team, do you automatically slot into the
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 7: bottom 14 picks? Yeah. So if the Cowboys have a
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 7: worse record than the Packers, but the Cowboys win the
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 7: NFC East and the Packers somehow don't make the playoffs,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 7: the Packers pick would still be better, right?
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: That's a fair question.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 5: Regardless of record?
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 7: I think the playoff teams are automatically slotted to the
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 7: bottom 14.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: I believe that is correct.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 7: 14 playoff teams.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: So right now they would have the 6th, the 10th,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: and the 13th pick, the Jets, in the 2027 draft.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 7: But you know what kills them?
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: How could they screw it up?
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 7: They're not even screwing it up. College football is because
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 7: you tell me which guy you'd pick. Right, right.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 8: Nesta Maker.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the one now, huh?
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: Who? Who?
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: I don't like him.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: I don't like him.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 8: I don't think he's all that good. The kid at
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 8: Oregon got hurt.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 7: I like him, but dirty play that knocked him out.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 8: What do you.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: Think of Bill's guy in North Carolina? He seemed okay.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 8: Oh, I saw him again this week.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 7: He is so bad.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: But last week, he looked good.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think he's on the radar right now.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 7: I kind of like Mensah from Miami, but I don't
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 7: know if it translates. I like Trinidad Chambliss, but he's tiny.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 7: He's really small. I don't know.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of numbers, but not.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: A lot of.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: We keep on arguing about Chambliss, me, and Barth because
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: I think he's small. yeah uh i guess he's listed
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: at like six one yeah no chance and i think
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: he's more of like five ten i was listening to
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: six maybe six one in cleats but like that's not
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: what we're doing here um i the kid from oregon
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 4: i think is gonna be good i like that i
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: do like him kid from usc took him out it
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 4: was dirty hit that was uh then the um I
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: still have Arch stock.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 8: I still don't think Arch is as bad as he's played.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 8: I'm not giving up on him. I just don't think
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 8: he's ready. I don't think he's ready.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: Whatever's going on at Texas right now, Sarkisian's not developing
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: him either.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 8: He's not getting any better.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: They're threatening to bench him. Yeah, he's clearly physically talented,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: and there's something going on there.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 7: I want to retract my statement. The Mesta maker, I'm
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 7: going to give that a little bit more time. I
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 7: want to give it a little bit more research. I
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 7: saw him early in the season, didn't like what I saw,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 7: um looked like maybe it was a little bit of
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 7: an adjustment for him he came from north texas to
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 7: oklahoma state maybe he just wasn't quite ready for that
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 7: jump up and now he's settled in so yeah let
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 7: me see him again you know okay.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 4: It was north texas i haven't i've only watched his
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: oklahoma state stuff like casually but cameron dorner played with
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: him at north texas and i remember watching dorner when
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: the patriots signed him.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 7: As maybe i'll pull a mike reese and talk to
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 7: cameron dorner in here as a locker room as.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: A udfa and i i i tend to do this
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 4: where i like text alex like who's his quarterback for
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 4: north texas and he'll be like oh he's got ability
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 4: yeah he's like you mean mess to make her the
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: guy that's gonna be a top 10 pick next year
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: and i'm.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 8: Like yeah that's what i do with you with with
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 8: edge rush.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 7: Like the current draft not like the draft three years
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 7: from now But, yeah, he's got some talent.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: I got 10 guys just, you know, I keep track
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: kind of like when mock drafts come out, just to
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: keep a list of, like, guys to look at once
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: the draft gets here. But, you know, like, the fact
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: that it's not top-heavy quarterbacks, it's like first, second, round.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 8: Because they're all dropping.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 8: Because none of them are having good years.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: You know, we're not talking college football right now.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 6: Okay, sorry.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: That's enough. That's enough.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: That's enough.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: We're going into week seven of the NFL season.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 8: We'll talk about, I think Jeremiah Smith's going to be
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 8: the number one overall pick.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 7: Are we over the hump?
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: Jerry Smith, I like him.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 5: No, we're not over the hump. That was good. Mike
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: in the OC, on my flight to Chicago, and I
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: was wondering if the team will host any tailgating or
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 5: fan events prior to Thursday's game. Go to Patriots Tailgate
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: on Facebook, and if there's anything going on, it'll be there.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: I haven't heard of anything. No one's told me about anything.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 8: What do you got?
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 7: Do you got a plan for Chicago?
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: Well, we're not getting into it later. We're not getting
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: into it later.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like that.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: You should get a dinner, huh? Yeah. But he has
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: a stump to gump question for Paul. Tom Brady threw
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 5: four touchdowns against the 49ers in his first NFL game
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 5: back home in the Bay Area. Who were the four
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: players who caught those touchdowns? Malcolm Mitchell.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 7: Malcolm Mitchell was.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: One of them.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 5: That is true. It was rainy. Bonus if you know
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: how long his touchdown catch was.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 8: 39 yards.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: 56.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 7: Took a shot.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 8: I remember the Malcolm Mitchell one was a great throw.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: It was James White, Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, and Malcolm Mitchell.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 15: Stumped.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: What would have happened if Malcolm Mitchell had two working Ds?
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: It's too bad.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 7: He would have been probably drafted about 50 picks earlier
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 7: than he was.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: Remember when we did that thing with him, Paul? We
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: watched the game again during COVID.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: The Super Bowl.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: It was like the three of us on our computers.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: That was funny.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 8: But yeah, that's why he was available in the third round.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: Good player. Bone on bone.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: Probably.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay. Kat in Chicago.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 8: Hey, what's up, Kat?
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 5: Writing in, sounds like there will be a meetup for
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 5: the Patriots tailgate at the Theory Bar, T-H-E-O-R-Y, Theory Bar. Also,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 5: a couple of magic bar and nightclubs in the city
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: if you'd like. Shoot me an email if so. I
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: will do that after the show, Kat. I'm flagging your email,
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 5: and I will get in touch with you after the show.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: Because I'm always good for a good magic show. You
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 5: guys like magic? What was that?
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: You doing magic?
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 8: I thought we were talking about a different kind of magic.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 5: I like close-up magic.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 8: I participated in a magic thing once when I was
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 8: a kid.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 5: Did you?
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: What was that all about?
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 8: They called me up from the crowd.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 5: Who's they?
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 8: The magician.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: Where was this? Set the stage.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: I was on a family vacation, and we went to
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: this magic show. And it was the the is when
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: they like cut the girl in half, you know, like
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: that was what he was going to do.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: And he called me up on the stage and threatened
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 4: to cut me in half. And I was probably that's
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: my parents.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 7: But, you know.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: Eight years old, seven years old. So I pointed at
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: the girl and said, no, you're supposed to cut her
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: in half.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 8: Not cut me in half.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 4: And so then she played it like I threw her
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: under the bus and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 8: So it was like a whole.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 5: Afterwards, did you analyze a trick and tell everybody how
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 5: it worked?
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 7: That's what I was thinking.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 8: Just clearly... There's a hole in there.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: I'm telling a great story about my childhood.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: Well, you know I'm only asking you to do it
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: so I can get something that I can make fun of.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 7: And just so you know, Mike, you know, we don't
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 7: have time for college football. I'm wondering who the quarterbacks
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 7: are going to get taken, but we do have time
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 7: for two minutes on magic.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: Damn right. Damn right. Mark's in Connecticut. What's up, Mark?
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: Hey, how you guys doing today, guys?
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm wondering your thoughts. Wouldn't it be nice to
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: have Stefan Diggs right about now? He's actually, he looked
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: pretty good last night in that game. You know, I
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: just don't know why we had to get rid of him,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: because I think that he would have been a really
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: good player in the slot for Drake May right now. Obviously,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: the whole booty thing. I'm a big Kajon booty fan.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 6: I really wish that we had kept him.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: But I just wanted to get your guys' take on
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: the big thing, because I don't think he's making a lot.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 6: Of money right now, is he?
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 8: No, but he would have been if you kept him.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: Right, but you're you cut him and you could have
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: brought him back for cheaper.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 7: Well, if he would. If he decided that he would
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 7: do that, sure.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 5: Thanks, Mark.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: I give him a lot of credit for, like, he's
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: reinvented himself as this, like, underneath chain mover type of receiver,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 4: like right out of the slot. Like Mark said, he
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: made a one-handed catch last night.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: That was sick.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 8: He also had some bad drops.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: Almost broke his hand, too.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: Did you see that one?
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 7: But, yeah, I mean, would I love to have him
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 7: right now, considering all the injuries? They have two wide
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 7: receivers on IR. One of them who just came off
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 7: of IR and looks incredibly rusty. Yeah, I wish they
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 7: still had Diggs.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing that just hangs over my head is
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: he just disappeared at the end last year. It was
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: great in Buffalo and great seeing him pump the team
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: up and being that kind of locker room energy guy.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: But the tail off at the end was just, and
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: I know it's all connected to good defenses and Drake
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: and all that, but you know, I, I just wonder,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: you know, this year, would it be better, you know,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 3: down the end? Like it would have been great early
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: on with.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: Buffalo, but it just seems like he, and like I said, I,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: he's still productive doing it, but even last night with
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: the game with the 49ers, they started bracketing him inside out.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 4: Like they knew that he's just going to run these
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: little option routes underneath the defense. And, they started having
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: Fred Warner come over and bracket and close him, and
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: he just doesn't have the juice anymore to split it. Like,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: when you have guys on either side of you, you
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: want to just go right through it and split it vertically,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: and that's how you get them out of that kind
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: of coverage.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 8: But he just doesn't really have that ability.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: So there's a couple times later on in that game,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 4: as the commanders were trying to come back, that he
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: was Daniels' first read, and he was getting bracketed, and
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: there was no place for him to go with the ball.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 8: We saw that a.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: Lot in the playoffs last year, too, with the Patriots.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 5: Travis in West Virginia... Another quirk of ours, I guess.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 5: Some of you pronounce schedule as a three-syllable word, but
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 5: it's actually only two syllables. Schedule, I guess.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 7: Who does that? You just pronounced it three.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 7: Schedule.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 5: Schedule. But I don't do that. Who does that? Schedule.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: Schedule.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 5: Do any of you do that?
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: Schedule.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 8: I don't say schedule.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: There's a chance that is.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 7: I don't say that, so I'm guilty.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: What do you say?
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: Schedule?
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 7: I would say schedule.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 5: Schedule.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 8: I'm guilty of that. Three syllables.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 5: It's not schedule.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 8: I think it sounds funny.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 5: Schedule.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 8: I don't think people say that.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: Schedule.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 8: So I'm wrong.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 7: I'm the one that does.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 5: It three syllables. I don't know if it's something like
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 5: Bob Soce. You were copying.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 7: Something from the schedule.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. That's just program.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 5: I think I do schedule.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 7: Program is just an SEC thing. That's a Southern college football,
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 7: and I don't want to waste any more.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 5: Time on college football. I bet you it's a Southern
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 5: thing where people say schedule.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: Schedule.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 5: It could be a Southern thing.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 7: Say it again, Mike.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: Schedule.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 7: Schedule.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 8: Yes, I wouldn't say that, but that's probably right.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: Well, it is right. It's the way it's pronounced.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 8: You think R is.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 5: I go by what the dictionary says, like, you know,
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: proper grammar.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 8: Right, except for hour. You don't go by proper grammar
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 8: for that.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: Hour.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 8: That's better.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 5: Hour.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 7: That's better. Right.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 5: The hour is here.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 8: That's... That's incorrect.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: That's two different.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 7: The Google issue says it can either have two or
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 7: three depending on the regional accent.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 8: Oh, it's not incorrect.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Coppola.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 8: Thank you, Matt Morrell.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: So proper grammar, it's one syllable. Thank you.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 7: Appreciate you.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 5: All right, that's it. We don't have time for anything else.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 7: We don't have time to get yelled at anymore by Fred.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 8: I do like it when he does it to you, though.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 7: He does it to me all the time.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but you guys, you know.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he got a thing.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 8: It's like Mike and Jeff.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Listen.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 7: Listen.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 5: If I didn't like you, I wouldn't make fun of you. Oh,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 5: it's okay. That's true.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: I just don't like it when it gets personal.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 4: Let's leave people's medical information off the radio.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 8: Anything else, go for it.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 5: Because you were sick on the show. You couldn't talk. No,
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 5: I didn't.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about me. If I want to talk
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 4: about that, that's fine. We were unveiling a little too
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: much about poor Barthie, who we're still working on.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: Well, don't worry about Barthie. He's not you. You just
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 5: worry about you.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: He does worry about Barthie.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 8: Only I can make fun of Barthie.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 5: I take care of Barthie. Don't worry about him.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 8: He's very defensive of Barthie.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 7: You do pay him.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 5: Don't worry about Barthie. I took care of him.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: That's how we could kill them.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 8: He sniffs. He hasn't been at the stadium for like
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 8: two weeks.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: I know. Where the hell is he?
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: I took care of him.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 7: Stealing money.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 8: Won't see him no more.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: Alright, so what's going on tomorrow? Tomorrow is Wednesday. But
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: it's really not a Wednesday.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 7: Regular day for us. Evan will have to leave to
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 7: get to the locker room late in the show.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 5: Are you doing another Catch-22 tomorrow?
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 8: We're going to do it tomorrow instead of Thursday.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: So we're going to preview the Bears game tomorrow on
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 4: Catch at 10 to 11.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 5: You're doing it at 10 to 11?
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah, same time.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 5: Okay. Barth in person or not? I don't want to
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 5: give away too many information.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 8: Good, good, good comeback.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: Big reveal.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 8: TBD, I would say.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: TBD.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 5: And then we'll be here at 11.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 8: We'll have picks tomorrow, so we'll.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 7: Have to hurry.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 8: It's like a Thursday and a Friday.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 5: And a Saturday, really.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah. Right. All right.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 5: We'll see you tomorrow.
• 1:59:28
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• 1:59:30
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• 1:59:41
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