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INTERVIEW: Gizelle Bryant Talks Real Housewives Of Potomac, New Series 'Church Wives' Faith, Friendship + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Hold up.
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  Speaker 2: Every day I wake up. Wake your ass up. The
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  Speaker 2: Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody.
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  Speaker 3: It's DJ Envy, Just Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha Guy. We are
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  Speaker 3: The Breakfast Club. Marla Rose is here as well. We
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  Speaker 3: got a special guest in the building.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we do. From my school, H-U, the real H-U,
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  Speaker 4: by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 4: You can look at her. That's right. The real H-U.
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  Speaker 5: I ain't going to none of them H-Us.
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  Speaker 4: She's making sure you know.
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  Speaker 1: The best and the finest Delaware State University. I apologize
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  Speaker 1: to all of y'all that y'all had to experience all that.
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  Speaker 5: Giselle Bryant, welcome. Thank you, Giselle. Thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: How are you feeling?
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  Speaker 5: I feel fantastic. You look fantastic. Thank you. And it
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  Speaker 5: smells good in here, too.
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  Speaker 2: When you walked in, Jess said Big Lotto. You and
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  Speaker 2: Lotto really do resemble.
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  Speaker 5: We do.
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  Speaker 2: We do. In a real way.
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  Speaker 5: We did Watch What Happens Live together, and we took
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  Speaker 5: a bunch of pictures.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: And I told her anytime she wants me to play
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  Speaker 5: her mama or her auntie in a video.
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  Speaker 2: Big sister.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, not mom.
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  Speaker 5: I was going to say not mom.
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  Speaker 2: It gives like, ain't no mom.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Because they'd be like 20, though, so they'd be young.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Oh, so that's what you said? That's what happened
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  Speaker 5: with my life?
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, no. I had my children.
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  Speaker 2: I was playing.
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  Speaker 5: You playing the mom don't mean you got to be
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  Speaker 5: old now. You can be young and fire as well.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to the young moms.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: So Real Housewives of season 28.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Are you not tired of it yet?
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  Speaker 5: No, we're having fun, Evie.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you didn't believe in us.
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  Speaker 4: I did not.
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  Speaker 5: You did not.
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  Speaker 4: I did not.
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  Speaker 5: And we on season 11. How you feeling?
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  Speaker 1: And the Potomac ladies specifically?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't believe in the Potomac.
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  Speaker 4: Not I believe in the Potomac.
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  Speaker 1: Potomac.
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  Speaker 4: Potomac, first of all. Sorry, Potomac. I didn't believe in Potomac.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know much about Maryland.
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  Speaker 5: And he was hating y'all? He was. He was.
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  Speaker 4: This is 11 years ago.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, but we've come a long way.
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  Speaker 2: That is right.
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  Speaker 5: We still here, thriving.
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  Speaker 4: Well, congratulations.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: But you don't get tired of it all?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 4: The messiness, the BS, all that.
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  Speaker 5: The good news is this season is most of the original, right?
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  Speaker 5: So it's like Karen's back out of jail.
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  Speaker 4: She's out of jail.
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  Speaker 5: She's out of jail. We have Robin is back. We
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  Speaker 5: have Ashley. Wendy's there. So it's like these are my girls.
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  Speaker 5: Like I'm enjoying time with them. Like if it was
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  Speaker 5: a whole new crew, I might be a little tired. But, like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm having fun with these ladies, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: It's something about people loving to see, like, the OGs
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  Speaker 1: of Real Housewives. And I know y'all been celebrating this, like, 20,
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  Speaker 1: 25 years of the franchise.
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  Speaker 5: 20 years.
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  Speaker 1: 20 years of Real Housewives in general.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I saw the sit-down that you did with, was
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  Speaker 1: it Forbes? Were you Portia and.
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  Speaker 5: all the other ladies Rolling Stone it was Rolling Stone
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  Speaker 5: yeah but that conversation about just the inception of Housewives
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  Speaker 5: and where it started versus where it got to now
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  Speaker 5: I feel like this year y'all are getting the we
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  Speaker 5: love y'all and we want y'all to really know it
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  Speaker 5: despite all the drama yes no now I feel like
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  Speaker 5: people are loving the drama in a good way you
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  Speaker 5: know what I mean I think in the beginning it
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  Speaker 5: was like oh my gosh it's so dramatic and people
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  Speaker 5: are so messy and Giselle is horrible now I think
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  Speaker 5: they appreciate my messiness they're looking forward to my mess
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  Speaker 5: So I like that. I think that, you know, Andy
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  Speaker 5: did his big one. Andy Cohen did his big one with,
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  Speaker 5: you know, putting house... He didn't know what he was
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  Speaker 5: doing when he first started Orange County. But now, 20
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  Speaker 5: years later, to see all of these women and to
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  Speaker 5: see how we've grown and to see that we've used
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  Speaker 5: this platform for other things, not all of us, but
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  Speaker 5: most of us, it's a really beautiful thing. And most
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  Speaker 5: housewives are in their 40s, 50s, right? And you don't
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  Speaker 5: see women... that are on television at this stage in
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  Speaker 5: their life, thriving. So it's been a great thing.
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  Speaker 6: The other thing I'll be wondering when I watch reality TV,
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  Speaker 6: have you ever watched yourself on television and realized you
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  Speaker 6: were the villain in somebody else's story, but didn't know it?
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  Speaker 4: All the time.
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  Speaker 5: But actually, I do know it. I do know it
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  Speaker 5: in the moment. But I think what we realize is
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  Speaker 5: we are making a show, and this is entertaining, and
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  Speaker 5: you can't get caught up in the personal of it, right?
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 5: Even though we're discussing personal things, I feel like if
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  Speaker 5: you just, you know, just tell yourself, okay, I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to clock in and have this moment with my girlfriends.
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  Speaker 5: And whatever it is is whatever it is. I think
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  Speaker 5: you can thrive.
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  Speaker 3: But y'all go into people's lives. I don't know the
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  Speaker 3: lady's name. Her husband was allegedly on gay dating apps.
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  Speaker 4: That's their real life.
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  Speaker 5: They weren't gay. I did my research and I found
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  Speaker 5: out they weren't gay sites. But they're full-fledged married and
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  Speaker 5: he's on dating apps. Yeah, that's the problem right there.
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  Speaker 4: But it plays out to the public.
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  Speaker 5: It does.
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  Speaker 2: It does.
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  Speaker 5: And unfortunately, you have to tell these stupid husbands... to
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  Speaker 5: govern yourself accordingly because we're on international television. So, like,
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  Speaker 5: how can you be that dumb that you think that
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  Speaker 5: you're not going to get busted, right?
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  Speaker 2: I want to know why Envy put the gay season in.
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  Speaker 2: He's been doing this a lot lately. Like, you don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Remember yesterday, there was this random gay question.
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  Speaker 5: Like, why?
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  Speaker 2: Why did it have to be a gay season?
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  Speaker 4: Where did you get that from? That was the story.
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  Speaker 5: In Envy's defense, there was some questions as to whether
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  Speaker 5: or not the sites were gay.
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  Speaker 2: Got you, got you, got you, got you, got you.
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  Speaker 5: But that's the only part that he paid attention to.
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  Speaker 2: Got you, got you, got you.
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  Speaker 3: I watch with my wife, so sometimes things come on,
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  Speaker 3: you watch and be like, oh, word.
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  Speaker 5: I'm on an app too type.
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  Speaker 1: When stuff like that happens though, because I know a
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  Speaker 1: part of the storyline was like them questioning her and
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  Speaker 1: other people questioning why you didn't tell her directly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you know she's going to see the show. She's
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  Speaker 1: going to see the episode at some point. Yes. So
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  Speaker 1: she'll see it. Why not just tell her?
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  Speaker 5: Okay. So I saw, somebody DM'd me his site.
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  Speaker 2: Damn. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: I am not a dating site girl. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: what dating sites look like, especially gay dating sites.
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  Speaker 4: Don't look at me. I don't know either. I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: So I went to my good girlfriend, Ashley, and said, hey.
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  Speaker 5: is this real? Is this AI? Is this some foolishness?
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  Speaker 5: Because people send us stuff all the time and I
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  Speaker 5: just don't want to throw stuff on camera because I
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  Speaker 5: know what that means. We got to live it. We
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  Speaker 5: got to talk about it. Then it airs. Then we
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  Speaker 5: got to talk about it again. So I didn't want
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  Speaker 5: to do that to her. I actually liked Tia. So
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  Speaker 5: I was like, let me just figure this out first
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  Speaker 5: and make sure it's real before I tell the world
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  Speaker 5: on camera with her.
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  Speaker 2: What was the reaction?
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't actually tell her. Somebody else did. But somebody
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  Speaker 5: else kind of was like, oh. You talked about my husband.
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  Speaker 5: Let me tell you about yours.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh.
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  Speaker 4: So they come from a safe place.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, man. Yeah, so she would have rather heard from
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  Speaker 5: me because I could have delivered it in a better way.
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  Speaker 1: And she looks at you as like a friend.
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  Speaker 2: She does.
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  Speaker 5: And I like her. She is my friend.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I would hate that to find out.
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  Speaker 5: But I don't want to catch a stray for it. Like,
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  Speaker 5: the man is the issue.
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  Speaker 1: Correct.
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  Speaker 5: Like, I'm catching a stray for, like, not telling her. Like, no,
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to catch that stray.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if it's even worth it to get involved
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  Speaker 2: in stuff like that. Right.
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  Speaker 5: What you mean?
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  Speaker 6: Like, when you see something like that, is it even
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  Speaker 6: worth it to go to your friend and be like, hey, man, you're...
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  Speaker 6: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: So you just mind your business and let them find.
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  Speaker 4: Out on their own.
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  Speaker 5: If it's your friend, like your actual friend, hell yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it's worth it. You know, whether they stay or not,
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  Speaker 5: but you're doing your due diligence as a friend. No,
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  Speaker 5: if you tell, you're in the middle of it. And
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  Speaker 5: I didn't want to be in the middle of it.
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  Speaker 5: And you know this. On the show, I've been accused
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  Speaker 5: of hating men, hating relationships. I'm trying to break up
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  Speaker 5: people's marriages. And I didn't want, I knew if I
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  Speaker 5: told her, I was going to get that backlash. And
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  Speaker 5: I didn't want it.
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  Speaker 4: Now you and Karen, y'all good now? We're good now.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 4: So how did y'all mend y'all stuff up?
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  Speaker 5: Well, she went to jail and I felt like any
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  Speaker 5: beef that we could possibly have needs to go away.
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  Speaker 5: And so I was, you know, very supportive.
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  Speaker 4: Did you visit her when she was in jail?
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't on the list.
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  Speaker 1: Damn.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's okay that I wasn't on the list. I
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  Speaker 5: tried to put money on her books. Is that what
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  Speaker 5: they say?
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  Speaker 4: Money on the books? Yes, money on the books.
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  Speaker 5: I was told that Ray, her husband, handled the book.
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  Speaker 5: But I did write her letters and things like that.
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  Speaker 5: Throughout the season, Karen and I do have a big
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  Speaker 5: moment that is very bad. But we got past it.
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  Speaker 5: Karen is like my sister. She's a sister I love
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  Speaker 5: to argue with. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: What is it about Real Housewives that allows women to
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  Speaker 6: actually build real businesses and turn it into like a
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  Speaker 6: real career?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the platform. It's the eyeballs.
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  Speaker 6: There's other shows that get eyeballs, but they don't get
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  Speaker 6: the look y'all get.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's our demographic. I think our viewers are
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  Speaker 5: extremely loyal. So whatever we put out there, they want
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  Speaker 5: to invest their money, their time. You know, with Reasonably Shady,
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  Speaker 5: when Rob and I first started Reasonably Shady... Shout out
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  Speaker 5: to Reason Be Shady on the Black Effect Podcast Network.
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  Speaker 5: We're on season seven. Hallelujah, praise the Lord.
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  Speaker 6: And a very phenomenal, lucrative podcast, by the way. They
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  Speaker 6: do very well.
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  Speaker 5: When we first started, we knew we were just going
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  Speaker 5: to get our Potomac fans. And that was great, right?
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  Speaker 5: And they came with us. But then since then, people
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  Speaker 5: have been able to, other people have been able to
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  Speaker 5: chime in to the podcast because they're able to see
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  Speaker 5: us for us, not the edited version of us. So
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  Speaker 5: it's always just a great springboard to whatever it is
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  Speaker 5: that you want to do.
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  Speaker 1: You and Portia, speaking of business and Housewives, y'all have
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  Speaker 1: this friendship across the franchise that I think is so
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  Speaker 1: fire because both of you guys are the faces of
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  Speaker 1: your franchises. So talk a bit about some of the
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  Speaker 1: advice that y'all give each other behind the scenes of
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  Speaker 1: carrying out those business moves.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Portia is a force to be reckoned with.
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  Speaker 5: And y'all know that. We love Portia Williams.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: Capital P.
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  Speaker 5: Yes. So we started, you know, we did chat room
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  Speaker 5: years ago. That was on Bravo during the pandemic. That
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  Speaker 5: was fantastic. I've gone down to Atlanta and hung out
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  Speaker 5: with Portia. She's just a time and hour. We've always
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  Speaker 5: just had like natural chemistry. I support everything she does.
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  Speaker 5: She supports everything that I do. I don't think that
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  Speaker 5: we've had conversations like about business. Right. Because I know
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  Speaker 5: she got that. You know, she's good with that. But
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  Speaker 5: we've had conversations about navigating and dealing with the longevity
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  Speaker 5: of being a housewife. The longer you do it, the
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  Speaker 5: more difficult it becomes. So she's... reached out to me
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  Speaker 5: for advice with that. You know, she knows I give
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  Speaker 5: zero Fs. And a lot of times she gives Fs.
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  Speaker 5: So she's like, how do I give the zero, right? Like,
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  Speaker 5: how do I navigate being angry and tucking my emotions
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  Speaker 5: in my pocket to deal with these ladies who are
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  Speaker 5: just coming at me left, right, and a third?
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 5: I think I've helped her with that. And she's just
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  Speaker 5: helped me twerk. I know that's right.
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  Speaker 2: I know that's right.
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  Speaker 5: She's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: You think reality TV has made you a better person?
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  Speaker 5: I do.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 5: In what ways? Because I'm able to see myself, right,
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  Speaker 5: when I watch the episode and see that, for instance,
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  Speaker 5: the episode that's coming up this Sunday, I said some
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  Speaker 5: things about Wendy that I regret.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm able to see the things that I do
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  Speaker 5: that are kind of not nice and say, okay, let
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  Speaker 5: me not be that way and let me be a
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  Speaker 5: little bit more softer with people. Let me be a
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  Speaker 5: little bit more vulnerable. I just filmed Traitors. Oh, cool.
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  Speaker 5: Which is on NBC. Mm-hmm. And- That taught me a
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  Speaker 5: lot about myself. That's reality. I don't know if y'all
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  Speaker 5: know that show. Do y'all know Traders?
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  Speaker 2: I know your show on it, but I didn't.
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  Speaker 5: Know what it was.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So I'll be on the next one that'll come out
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  Speaker 5: next year sometime.
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  Speaker 4: So what is Traders?
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  Speaker 5: It's a competition show. It's a competition show. So they
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  Speaker 5: put like 20 people together. They make some people Traders.
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  Speaker 5: The faithfuls don't know who the Traders are. The Traders
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  Speaker 5: are out here murdering people. There's a big round table.
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  Speaker 5: It's like a semi-reunion. It's the round table. You got
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  Speaker 5: to fight it out. You vote people off. It's drama.
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  Speaker 5: And the hosts look like Pee Wee Herman. No. No.
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  Speaker 5: Alan Cummings? Yeah. That's how I felt, but sorry.
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  Speaker 2: It's a reality show. People be murdering people.
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  Speaker 5: Yes. You get murdered in the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 5: It's a whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Not real.
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  Speaker 4: Not a real murder. Somebody got murdered. You got to
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  Speaker 4: find out who murdered.
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  Speaker 5: You get banished, murdered. So with that, I learned a
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  Speaker 5: lot about myself, which I'll share whenever that comes out.
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  Speaker 5: But I think reality makes you look at yourself in
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  Speaker 5: the mirror and say, do you like what you see? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So it brings a different level of self-awareness, basically.
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  Speaker 5: Totally.
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  Speaker 4: But do you enjoy living your life on reality? Because
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  Speaker 4: everything is there.
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  Speaker 3: So you can never have a moment where you can't
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  Speaker 3: put something out because they're like, no, we followed you
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  Speaker 3: this long.
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  Speaker 4: We want it all.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's a fine line between, because you don't
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  Speaker 5: want to give 100% of yourself away because it's like,
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  Speaker 5: what do you have that's near and dear to you, right?
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 5: So I think it's a fine line that you have
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  Speaker 5: to find for yourself. Um, and you don't want to
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  Speaker 5: get lost in it, but, um, yeah, you, you gotta,
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  Speaker 5: if you sign up for it, you gotta show the
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  Speaker 5: people your life. Yeah. Good, bad, bad, and ugly. But
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  Speaker 5: good news is guys. Don't tell me you leaving. No,
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  Speaker 5: I became an actress.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yes. Okay. I'm like, I can't do that.
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  Speaker 5: No, she not leaving till she, they, you know, wheel
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  Speaker 5: me off.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Um, So I enjoyed that, to your point about reality television.
• 13:06
  Speaker 5: I really enjoy doing something scripted and jumping into a character.
• 13:14
  Speaker 5: I did a made-for-TV movie slash vertical for BET. It's
• 13:19
  Speaker 5: called Church Wives. Oh, yo. Which you executive produced. I did.
• 13:24
  Speaker 5: I executive produced. I am the first lady of the church.
• 13:28
  Speaker 5: Love that. I was able to hark back to some.
• 13:31
  Speaker 5: time in my life in which I was able to
• 13:34
  Speaker 5: play that role well. Oh, it's high drama. It's so good.
• 13:38
  Speaker 5: It's a vertical. So it's going to give you the
• 13:40
  Speaker 5: punches and the slaps real quick. We ain't got to
• 13:42
  Speaker 5: wait for no buildups.
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: No, it is.
• 13:45
  Speaker 5: And it is so juicy and it is so good.
• 13:47
  Speaker 5: And y'all gonna love it. So that doesn't drop until
• 13:49
  Speaker 5: November 4th.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: And it's about mega church culture.
• 13:51
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 13:52
  Speaker 5: I have a husband, but like, what'd you mean? Oh, yeah, okay. Okay, yeah.
• 13:59
  Speaker 5: How did this project come together? So I did write
• 14:03
  Speaker 5: a book years ago that was loosely based on my life.
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: So I had that story kind of like in my head.
• 14:10
  Speaker 5: I was able to partner with BET and A-Twist, and they...
• 14:15
  Speaker 5: It's not necessarily about the book, but it's kind of
• 14:17
  Speaker 5: loosely based. But, you know, Giselle, I feel like the
• 14:21
  Speaker 5: black church... There's just so much meat there. There's just
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: so much material there. And especially if it's scripted, you
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: can make it over the top. So it's fun. And
• 14:32
  Speaker 5: sometimes you don't got to make it over the top.
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: There's already so many churches and congregations that are already
• 14:37
  Speaker 5: all over the top.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: Especially with the megachurch. Yes.
• 14:39
  Speaker 6: The megachurch thing is interesting because I'm like, yo, have
• 14:42
  Speaker 6: people really become so obsessed with celebrity stuff?
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: And wealth and status in the church.
• 14:46
  Speaker 6: Because to me, that's the complete opposite of Christianity because
• 14:48
  Speaker 6: Christianity teaches humility and to be of service.
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 14:52
  Speaker 6: So I don't know if, you know, just them being
• 14:54
  Speaker 6: great pastors has led to that or they're actually seeking it.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: I really can't tell the difference.
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: Whether they're seeking what?
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: The status, the celebrity.
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: You're talking about the pastor.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the pastor, yeah.
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay. I think that's, you know, not every pastor
• 15:06
  Speaker 5: wants that. There are people in particular that I think
• 15:11
  Speaker 5: it just kind of comes natural because they become like,
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: a national pastor. There's some homegrown pastors that are very humble,
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: very much not into the glitz and the glam. And
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: I appreciate that. You know, I've met a million pastors
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: and they're not all created equal. So, you know, you
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: have to treat them like people. Yeah. Yeah.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: What's one thing about the church that you didn't like
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: about the mega church that you didn't like?
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: I can say that, you know, for the first lady,
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: for the first family, it is a little isolating. Because
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: there is a perception of perfection. And I don't want
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: to say you have to lean into it, but they
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: are very much looking up to you. They're very much
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: kind of like picking apart your life, a little bit
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: like reality television. And it's like, do you stand up
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: to that? So, yeah, it was a little isolating.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: Was that difficult for you?
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Because you had to, I don't want to say play
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: a part, but you had to, quote unquote, be perfect.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: You couldn't do the things, you couldn't dress a certain way.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: You couldn't go out a certain time. You couldn't learn
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: how to twerk.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: Was that one of those things that was hard for you?
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: Yes. Yes. I mean, you know, I graduated from Hampton.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: I know how to twerk. So, you know, I wanted
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: to get my twerk on at some point. I mean,
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: you do want to be able to be your full self, right?
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: And so, no, as First Lady of a Black church,
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: I don't think you can be your full self to
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: your congregation. Wow. Why not? I just don't think that
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: because you're going to get judged. You're going to get
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: picked apart. People going to leave. You don't want that.
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: You don't want to do that to your husband's congregation.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: You want them to stay. You know what I mean?
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: So you, you, it's again, it's a balancing act this
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: year on Potomac. Our new girl is a pastor or
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: she's becoming a pastor. So I had conversations with her
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: about it. I'm like, you, you do know, maybe we're not, Church.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: What we doing over.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: Here ain't what you're doing in the church. So because
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: I remember being married, I couldn't sit at a bar
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: in a restaurant. That's not a good look. Why is
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: the first lady sitting at a bar? Like little things
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: that you don't think about. And, you know, I had
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: that conversation with her, Courtney, who's great, by the way.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: I feel like she's a great addition to the Potomac.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: But how is she going to balance the two?
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: I don't. That was the whole conversation I was having.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Even when we followed, because I was going to ask
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: you how you feel like they're going to use the
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: movie against you on Real Housewives that you're doing. It's scripted.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: The movie is scripted.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Still.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: But it's loosely based.
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: I mean, you got the experience being a first lady firsthand.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: They don't say it's loosely based just because of your past.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Your divorce and everything was like the storyline forever.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: So now you're playing this first lady who is in
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: this church fighting for power. And I'm sure there's a
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: lot of things with the husband or whatever.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: And they're going to bring that in. She's an actual, like,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: trying to figure it out pastor.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: How does she make it there?
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't understand.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: I don't... Listen, in this season, I don't want to
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: give away her story, but, like, she does get ordained
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: or become a minister.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: Minister.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: Throughout the season.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: That's her... That's her fight. That's her story.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Why do we hold the wives of pastors.
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: The standards of perfection that we don't even hold the
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: pastors themselves to.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you would think. You would think that
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: the pastor is living what he's preaching. That's the goal.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: But the pastor's in the front, right?
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: So I think he gets a little more runway with
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: his life and his shenanigans because he's able to talk
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: the congregation through his shenanigans. The First Lady ain't coming
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: to the mic. Right. The pastor is leading you so
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: they can, you know, great with words and everything, knows
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: how to go around certain things. But when a First
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: Lady does anything like you have to, and I've seen
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: it firsthand as well in the church I grew up in,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: like when... My pastor got married. My bishop got married. And,
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: you know, it was so many people that was just
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: like hating on the fact that he even was married.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: They didn't even know her. Right.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: It was just, you know.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Even after they got to get to know her.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: That's all them women. That's all them church hoes. You
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: know what I mean?
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, exactly.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: Trying to play their position. Why would you go get
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: a wife?
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Or just whatever.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: And you have to kind of sit there as first
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: lady and allow the congregation to talk about you. You
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: got to take it. And you shaking hands, praying for people,
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: kissing babies, all of that. You got to take it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: What you do. another pastor?
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: No.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Damn.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: God, you said that stupid thing.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Why not?
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: Why not? Because of all of that. Yeah. And I
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: just feel like it puts me, at this point in
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: time in my life, I need to live my life. Right?
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: And you're not going to put me in a box
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: or in a package. Like Giselle is out here living Giselle,
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: whatever that means. I'm currently in a situation. No, what
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: am I calling it? I'm working on something.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: With another person? Yes, with another person.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's what he says. He says, we working on something.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Y'all exclusive to each other?
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: No.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: No, we working on something. Okay. That's it. That's it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: But do you like working on something or do you
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: like more you mind and that's what it is?
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: I like working on it right now.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: Currently, but I'm bringing it up because he said to me,
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: you do know we're living Giselle's life. Hmm. And this
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: is very new for me. And, you know, he made
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: a couple missteps. So he's wanted me to be patient
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: with his missteps.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I don't even like that language.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Your missteps, right?
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: No, I'm living Giselle's life. That's a red flag. He's
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: living my life.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: It's not a red flag. Because I appreciated it because
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: what he was saying to me is thus far in
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: us getting to know each other, I would have moved
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: with you a little differently. But because it's you, I
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: want to move how you would like me to move.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: He's following her lead.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: And what were the missteps? What were the missteps? If
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: you don't mind us asking. You said it.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: He.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Never mind.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: But anyway, it was addressed and he's course correcting.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: But.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: Um, so right now in my life, I feel like
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: to answer your question, no, I would not be with
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: a pastor. I would not be with anybody that's not
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: going to allow me to just be me. Right.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: Have you ever felt like you had to protect the
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: reputation of like a pastor or a church at the
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: expense of your own truth?
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: Um, outside of, outside, like after I got divorced.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: No.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: What do you mean?
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: While you was first lady.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: She's like, is that a trick question?
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Do you remember the times?
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, it was a long time ago, Charlamagne. But
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: it is very much... The congregation doesn't need to know everything.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And even the smallest things, like let's say you
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: and your husband are having... an argument or having an
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: issue in the house. It is not the congregation's business.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: Unless y'all are not going to be together anymore. They
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: don't need to know nothing because they're going to take it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: They're going to run with it. They're going to flip
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: it and reverse it. They're, they're worse than them girls
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: that I'm on the show with.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, totally. So the old church ladies, the church hoes,
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: just both because the church hoes are ruthless. Yeah. Yes.
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: And so maybe we need real church wives of Potomac
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: or real church wives of Atlanta.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: That'd be fire.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: Real church wives of Atlanta?
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Real church wives of Atlanta?
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: Oh, Lord, no.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Lord, no.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: You talk to Andy about that. Yeah. No.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: But like, what are some of the, you said they're ruthless. Like,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: what are some of the things that you experienced during
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: that time where you were like, Dang, I'm going to
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: go back over to turn them cameras on. I love
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: it over there more.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Over in the church?
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Like what was ruthlessly done to you guys?
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: I just feel, I mean, like hoes are hoes. You
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: can say that.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: Hoes are hoes even if they're holy.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: No, ma'am. Yeah. I mean, they'll do anything to try
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: to get what they want.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Exactly. Yeah.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: And y'all be falling for it. Yes, y'all. The men
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: in the room. Be falling for it. Not these two,
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: but just in general. Unless it's something gay. Okay.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I thought he was just free.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: That was the podcast mic.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: I'm just kidding. Is there anything you regret allowing the
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: cameras to capture?
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Anything I regret? I... No. No. Nothing I regret. I
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: was very protective of my kids. My kids are a
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: little older now. They're all in college. But when they
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: were growing up, you know, I want to make sure... Because,
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: you know, they want to show everything. They want to
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: show the graduation. They want to show the prom. They
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: want to show the dating. They want to show this.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: And.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: I... may allow them to have a voice and to say, hey, Ma,
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: I don't want to do this. I do want to
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: do this. Even stuff, talking about their father. I'm like, hey,
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: it's going to be a scene, you know, they want
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: me to talk about dad. No, Ma, I don't want
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: to talk about dad. Great. We're not going to talk
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: about it. So I was just very protective of my kids.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: That was the only thing that, for me, that made
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: me cringe a little bit. Like, how is this going
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: to show my kids? Because they got to live it.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: And these young kids are They a little different.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: And on Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip, you and Teresa,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: y'all were talking and you got emotional.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Talking about going through divorce and your kids having to
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: deal with that.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: On camera.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, no, I was already divorced before we started.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: But I guess the thing, because y'all like got back
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: together and then.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: But all that stuff though, like you were, y'all were
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: having a conversation about how she was able to maneuver
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: her situation.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And it got emotional for you. And I was wondering
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: where the emotion came from.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: The emotion was, so when I started Potomac, the kids
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: were like eight and nine or something like that. And
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: I remember talking to the producers and being like, I
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: want to take them to school. I want to pick
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: them up from school. Y'all need to fix my schedule
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: so that I can do that. When we had these
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: cast trips, I want to be on the first thing
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: smoking going home because of my kids. And then just like,
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: I started a makeup line. All these things that I
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: was doing, I missed out on my kids. I know that. Right.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: They know it. But they're very supportive and they want
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: mommy to be as great as she can possibly be.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: So they understood like mommy's away because she's working. She's
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: trying to, you know, make the best home possible for us.
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: But that hurts. You know, when you. when you miss
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: out on monumental things with your children, it hurts. It
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: sticks with them. It sticks with you. And it's just
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: not worth it. And you can't get it back. You
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: can't get it back. So the tears are like, so,
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: you know, you, you're, you're, you have babies.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: Baby. Baby. And a 14 year old. So like, you understand,
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: like those moments are, are so precious and they come
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: so fast. I, um, That's where the tears come from.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: But I can say that all of my producers are
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: very mindful of the children and are very mindful. Because
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: we work around Wendy's schedule. Wendy got to pick her
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: kids up. So I got to film this scene with
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: Wendy so she can leave, go get her kids. Same
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: with Ashley. Same with Courtney, who's new. So the producers
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: are very mindful of it. But it's always a sacrifice.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: And I feel like the women... take the brunt of
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: that sacrifice. Men, y'all go off. Your wife has a baby.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: You go to work. So if saying with all the
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: 12 kids that you have, you go to work. I
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: go to work, but it's a different level of sensitivity there.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Have you gotten used to the public judgment? Yes.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: I love it. Like, it's like, it's like funny to me.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: Okay. Y'all think y'all don't like my outfit today. Okay.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: Y'all think I look crazy today.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Like it's, It's kind of funny. What did you have
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: to do to get there, though? Because you used to
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: bark back when they're not playing. Never on social media.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: Because I think social media.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Is a game.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: With your podcast, though.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Man, you be on there cutting them down. But I'm saying,
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: when did you get to that point where you're like, oh, whatever,
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: I just let it roll off my back. I'm not tripping.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: You know, over time. But I think, you know, like
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: thick skin grows over time. But I think from the beginning,
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: I can also give this to Robin as well. We've always...
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: I've been dealing with criticism my entire life. So I've
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: always had that, right? And then actually what we just
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: talked about, being a first lady, you're going to get it.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: And you have to sit there and take it. So
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: that has always helped. But at this point, I just
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: think it's like fodder.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: It's like fun.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: It's like... Sometimes I'm like, oh, they're not they're not
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: trashing me today. What did I do wrong?
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: What is being publicly judged taught you about the way
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: like you judge other people?
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: I don't. I don't. You will never find me on
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: social media saying anything bad about anybody. I think social
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: media is foolish. Right. And it's silly. And it's for kids.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: And if I'm not working. You know, if I'm not
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: having to give my commentary, good, bad or indifferent, then, yeah, no,
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: I want everybody to win. I want everybody to be
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: their best version of themselves. So and I, I feel
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: like I'm that way because sometimes I didn't get that.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: When you were shooting Church Wives, right? All those are vertical,
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: all those, you know, high tension and drama and things
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: like that. This is still loosely on your real life
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: or an era of it, at least. Were there any
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: scenes or stories that like triggered you? So I can
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: say that, so my husband on the show, on Church Wives,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: his name is Lon Ray, in real life. I am
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: Savannah Graves on Church Wives. And by the way, all
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: of the actors were fantastic. Like I'm walking in the room,
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: the reality girl, and I didn't want to be like made,
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: I didn't want them to like joke me. Like I
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: really had to like concentrate and focus. I really had to, like,
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: at this point I'm taking classes to make sure, like,
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: I give the best version of my acting. Yeah, I
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: had to take a series. So he had to, like,
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: scream at me and comfort me. And we have a
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: little bit of chemistry. So I appreciated how he came
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: for me. But it, like, builds something up inside. me,
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: and I had to come back at him. And it
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: was fantastic. And we had to, you know, with acting,
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: you got to do it all over and over again.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: While y'all were shooting or behind the scenes?
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: No, while we were shooting. Yeah, no, I think he's amazing,
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: so I would never scream at him. But he had
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: to come for me. He basically had to like, I
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: don't want to tell the story, but he had to
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: come for me in the church. Like, if you're going
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: to come for me, do it. When we at home,
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: don't be doing it in front of these people. So
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: the chemistry was there for us to go back and forth.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: And I loved it. It's like, make me work. You
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: know what I mean? So it was like a good trigger. Yeah,
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: it was a good trigger. How many episodes is it? Well,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: so it's a movie. So that'll be on VT. And
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: then they'll cut it up. So they'll do like 30 seconds,
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: 90 seconds, two minutes, four minutes. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Do you think that because I know the premise of it, too,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: is like you and there's another woman in the church.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Y'all going head to head.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Y'all want the power. Do you think that the women
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: in the church get enough credit for carrying the church
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the way they do because the men are normally like
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: in the pulpit?
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: You mean like running the church?
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: Running the church. Absolutely not. Just like everything else in life.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Do women get paid as much as men? No. Do
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: women get the credit like the men? No.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: No.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: So it's something that we have to work on. And,
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: you know, the church world should work on that. Like
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: the women are running the church. Yeah.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know the first lady ran the church.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: What?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: The business? I mean, the pastor.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, no.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: There is a business. I mean, church is a business.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: So there's, you know, your CFO and all those people.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, so that's all stacked up. But like the
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: day to day, the running, the person that's answering the phone,
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: the person that's getting like the women's ministry together, the
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: person that's getting the children's ministry together. That's typically women.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: And do they get the credit? No.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you don't want to do that as
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: a first lady, like my husband is a pastor.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: I don't want to do that. I'll just show up
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: on Sundays and that's it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: That was me.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: So, um, I knew women, of course I knew women
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: played a role in leadership in the church.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know the first, You said the first
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: lady was the actual leader.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Well, typically. That's typical. But, you know, I didn't come
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: from the black church world. So I kind of just
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: wanted to support him as my husband, come to service,
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: and then go home. And I did that. And then
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: when I wanted to jump in, like when I wanted
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: to be a part of the women's ministry, which is
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: like we have something that I kind of mirrored on
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: Church Wives, then I do. Then I'm able to jump
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: in and... and play my part. But like a lot of,
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: sometimes some of the first ladies want to get up
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: and preach. Like that was never me. Like I don't
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: have anything to say on the microphone.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: So they judge you for that, for not being more
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: involved and.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: I don't think it was judgment, but it was kind
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: of like, well, when is the first lady going to
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: say something? When is the first lady going to talk?
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: Is the first lady going to join the choir?
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: In the black church? In the black church, it's like,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: that's so different to her. You say you just came
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: to like support. I'm like, whoa, I know they didn't
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Because first lady is like, she welcomes you. You get
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: your church notes from her. Everything women's ministry. She sets
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the tone and the energy of the church. Even the
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: way she dresses tells you how the rest of the
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: church should honestly be coming and looking. Like the first
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: lady is like.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: What if I don't got first lady money? What do
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: you mean? I can't dress like her.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: If I don't have her.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: No, you don't have to.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, you have some first ladies that are, like, very, like,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: southern old school big hats you have some church first
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: ladies that design it out design it out some of
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: them might come in sweatpants but i feel like the
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: first lady who are married.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: To younger women like these youth pastors therefore their first
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: lady is their wife.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: She might be coming in something that we consider dressed up,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: but an older church woman would not consider dressed up.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: It just depends on what church you're in now. But
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: they do set a vibe in the church.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: I can say if I change my hair color, the
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: church was changing their hair color. Oh, that's right.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: I noticed it. Two weeks later, everybody's coming in like
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: a platinum blonde, and then I was brown. Everybody coming
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: in brown. So they do kind of set the tone.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I know. You was in there just chilling in the tone.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: I was thinking, right, being a form of, First lady,
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: when you've been married to a pastor, does that strengthen
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: your relationship with God or complicate it?
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: Probably strengthen because you're married to a pastor, meaning he's
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: probably up to some foolishness. Maybe, maybe, maybe not. There's
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: sometimes where you're just going to need to pray. Pray for.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: So I think strengthen. I mean, you know, it never
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: I had a relationship with God prior to getting married.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: And so it, you know. did it strengthen I can
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: say yes but like now like God loves me more
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: than everyone else on earth so like God loves me
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: more right.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: That's favorite I mean because he favors me more but
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: I'll let you live.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: I get it he loves me more than everybody but
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: because remember the Jay Z concert remember it was like
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: three nights and like Sunday was the best night four
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: nights actually No, it was three.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Child carried over.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Because you said Sunday with Monday.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Sunday with Monday. Okay, so we all know
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: that Sunday was the best night that carried into Monday.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I like the first night. I like the first night.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I like all of them.
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: Y'all are not going with me.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: I heard so much more about Sunday.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: Sunday had like 15 people coming out. I mean, the
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: first night was just like three people. Second night, maybe five.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Sunday was the best. Anyway, I bought my tickets for
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Sunday just because God told me by Sunday, right? Because
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: I could only go one day. Anyway, that's just an
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: example of God loves me the most.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: So.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Sunday was the most memorable night.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Yes. You're going to remember.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: That Sunday into Monday.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Because of everything that happened.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Everything that happened.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: It was an emotional roller coaster. Like, we went through it.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: I didn't know you were there. We went through it together. Yeah, no,
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: it was amazing. So I do... My relationship with God
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: currently is... Amazing. Like, he has brought me through. He
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: has blessed me like no other. I never, you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: when I did start Potomac, I never would have thought, like,
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: I would have written a book. I'm in a movie.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: I have this amazing podcast. You know, all the things
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: that I've done, like, that's just God. Yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Well, keep letting God guide you.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: We appreciate you for joining. You going to Homecoming this year?
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: I'm going to Homecoming. Well, okay, let me tell you
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: what I'm doing.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm listening.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: Okay, so Tuesday of Homecoming, which is next week, of Hampton.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Our school.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: The real H-U.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: Yep, the real H-U. My daughter is the director of
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: the fashion show.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, dope.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Kudos to her. Is she doing it at Ogden? Ogden Hall?
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: No, it's in the Convocation Center.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: It's big time.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: And then, so I'll be there Tuesday. Thursday is the
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: step show. And, you know, my daughter is a member
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: of Gamma Theta.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: So I'll be there. And then Friday, I fly to Tallahassee.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: I go to FAM's homecoming.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: Because it's my daughter's last year at Florida A & M. So,
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: and you know, Florida A & M, have you ever
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: been to their homecoming?
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: No.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: It's ridiculous.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: I've heard their homecoming.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I've heard just going there is crazy.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: It's an absurdity to mankind.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't finish there.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: Wow. It's absurd. So I'll have to rest for like
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: three weeks after that.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: But it's amazing. And my kids are doing fantastic, which
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: is great. Because God loves me the best. Period.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Well, I will see you Thursday at homecoming. I'm going
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: to go to the Step Show Thursday.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: And then Friday, they do that huge concert at Strawberry Banks.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: That's you, right? You do that.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, with T.I. and Morris Day.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: Okay. That's going to be nice.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Morris Day, T.I. I think two chains will be
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: on campus, I think.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Okay. T.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Herbo and Mario.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: On that Friday?
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Saturday.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: On Saturday.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: On Saturday. Okay.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: What are they doing at the game? They just walking around?
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: There's no concert on Saturday.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: No, they do the block party.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: It's like a VIP suite set up where you can drink.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I've never seen nothing like it.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: I took a last year. Oh, really? I took a
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: last year.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: Did you love Hampton?
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Y'all have literally like VIP sections on the football field.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Everywhere you go is drinks, is good food.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: All of it's warm.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Delaware State don't got none of that?
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Ours is not set up like that. Ours is more
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: like cookout style. Like come to the plaza, they cook
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: out on different plazas. Theirs is like, they have like
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: little like restaurants almost set up for you. And it's like,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: different installations of just food and drink.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: No, it's very different than what ours is like.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah. No, it's great. Hampton does it right.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Y'all a little bougie, but I love it.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Yes. And then you go down to Fam and it's
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: like that times 10, but it's, you know. Packed.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Be rammed.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: There'll be so many people on that damn campus. I
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: had a good time with Fam.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: And then get a little bougetto with it. Oh, okay.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: You got to be ready.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: You got to be ready.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Well, thank you for joining us. Thanks, guys. Make sure
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: you check out season 11. Also, the mega church, what's
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: the name.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Of the show?
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: It's called Church Wives.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Church Wives.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: All right, definitely check it out. Gisele Bryant, thank you
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: so much.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: It's The Breakfast Club.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Good morning.