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Set 1: It's Smoke-Screen Season (w/ Todd McShay) · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 2: crush on Betty Rubbell.
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  Speaker 1: I honestly, until after the segment ended and we went
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  Speaker 1: to commercial break, had no idea that Jonathan Coachman was black.
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  Speaker 2: He caught them the game last night, although they won
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  Speaker 2: the game. You're listening just to Godsend Company. The NFL
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  Speaker 2: Draft is a week away.
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  Speaker 1: Todd McShay is with U, is with us check at
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  Speaker 2: Todd, thank you for doing this.
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  Speaker 1: What is going on in your world a week out
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  Speaker 1: from the NFL Draft.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just studying your hands up against the computer.
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  Speaker 1: Or something tony looking, and speak of my hands, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: stop breaking my balls.
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  Speaker 2: I promise you to no Shenanigans, just.
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  Speaker 3: Draft talk, just draft talk, and any distraction I can
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  Speaker 3: get at this point is welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, now, it's like all the reports are done, the
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  Speaker 3: draft board set, your fingers are everywhere. It's just it's
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  Speaker 3: making calls and trying to figure out it's kind of
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  Speaker 3: a waste of a week. When you look back on
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  Speaker 3: it every year, it's like, why did I care so much?
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  Speaker 4: Why am I talking to all these and executives and
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  Speaker 4: you know, like for what to put together like a
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  Speaker 4: mock draft, you know, but uh, but they're fun conversations
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  Speaker 4: and you get a lot of you know, a lot
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  Speaker 4: of information medical reports, injuries, how the boards are stacking up.
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  Speaker 3: And so I've got like, I think five calls lined
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  Speaker 5: That sounds like a mid career crisis you're going through
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  Speaker 5: or just like I just realized this week is useless?
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  Speaker 5: Is there any the other like all time? And he
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  Speaker 5: just like, maybe I should have done it that way
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  Speaker 5: before I.
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  Speaker 3: Realized a while ago the pro days were pretty useless,
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  Speaker 3: that they were just a TV event, you know, in
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  Speaker 3: the context of what everyone's.
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  Speaker 6: Looking for from them.
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  Speaker 3: Like, no one cares as long as you're you're you're
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  Speaker 3: showing up, you're throwing the ball something, you know, stuff
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  Speaker 3: like that.
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  Speaker 6: But they're good conversations to have with people who.
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  Speaker 3: Are there and and you wind up kind of gathering
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  Speaker 3: some more intel. But I I don't miss going to
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  Speaker 3: the pro days from from my old life. And Kiper
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  Speaker 3: would never leave the compound like well, of course yes,
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  Speaker 3: and and he was smart enough to put that in
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  Speaker 3: his deal and and had the had the hammer to
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  Speaker 3: drop on his contract negotiations. So I became the you know,
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  Speaker 3: the the pro day guy bouncing like one year. It
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  Speaker 3: was like Columbus down to Tuscaloosa to you know, to Lexington,
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  Speaker 3: Kentucky too. I did usc and back in one day
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  Speaker 3: so I could get to another way.
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  Speaker 1: I don't miss those, right, So Mel had that put
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  Speaker 1: into his contract. That's a that's pretty fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it used to be he'd be up
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  Speaker 3: in Bristol like on and off for weeks and you know,
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  Speaker 3: in March and April, and then I think he cut
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  Speaker 3: it down to like six days that he had to
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  Speaker 3: leave in the hyper compound the entire year, and then
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  Speaker 3: three of them were for.
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  Speaker 1: The draft, so todd as you know, we're a South
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  Speaker 1: Florida based show. So I'm wondering here, Rubin Bain, how
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  Speaker 1: much is he going to fall because of the latest
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  Speaker 1: news involving Rubin Bain, and that of course being the
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  Speaker 1: car accident.
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  Speaker 3: He's it's not going to be because of that, right, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: And let's let.
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  Speaker 2: Me reframe it. NFL teams have known this for a
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  Speaker 2: long time.
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  Speaker 3: It was not news to them when when I was
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  Speaker 3: made aware of it in mid January and.
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  Speaker 6: Just before the combine, I saw the Senior Bowl, so.
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  Speaker 3: They've had plenty of This isn't like Laramie Tunsil, where
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  Speaker 3: it's like the day of the draft and some teams
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  Speaker 3: are scrambling to try to figure out what this information
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  Speaker 3: means and where it came from.
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  Speaker 6: And it's not like Jalen.
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  Speaker 3: Carter, even though it involves a fatality and and tragically
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  Speaker 3: and with a with a vehicle and speeding and reckless driving.
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  Speaker 3: I famously like I got not trouble. I just I
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  Speaker 3: took on a lot of water for that. I told
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  Speaker 3: you the fine bomb stuff we went. We had a
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  Speaker 3: long conversation about that, Like great teammate Paul throwing me
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  Speaker 3: under the bus that I don't have any sort but
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  Speaker 3: I knew that. What I was talking about in like
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  Speaker 3: December of that draft season was there's there's I've got
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  Speaker 3: two pages of notes on practice habits, fighting with coaches,
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  Speaker 3: not showing up to meetings, and taking classes from home,
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  Speaker 3: like like the football and personal character stuff.
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  Speaker 6: And then and then that incident.
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  Speaker 3: Occurred and he got arrested at the combine, had to leave,
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  Speaker 3: came back, and so that was all kind of happening
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  Speaker 3: real time. But everyone knew about Jalen Carter and all
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  Speaker 3: and everything that came with them.
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  Speaker 6: I'm also aware of the conversations that.
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  Speaker 3: Had between agent and general manager.
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  Speaker 2: And kind of parameters that were put in in.
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  Speaker 3: Order to even take him at nine, even though he
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  Speaker 3: was the best player in that draft. For ruben Bain,
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  Speaker 3: he's a really good young man. Talk to anyone in Miami,
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  Speaker 3: you guys are down there.
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  Speaker 6: He galves.
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  Speaker 3: He was like Carson Beck, came in and did a
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  Speaker 3: great job and did everything it was asked.
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  Speaker 6: And but Ruben Bain was the heartbeat of that program.
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  Speaker 2: Jason Taylor loves him, Yes, love It's not it's.
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  Speaker 6: Not like no, he's a good guy.
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  Speaker 3: We stand by him. It's like, no, get out of here.
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  Speaker 3: He made a horrible mistake and and you hope there's
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  Speaker 3: maturity in that. And and fortunately the family, it sounds
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  Speaker 3: like of the young lady who was tragically killed has
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  Speaker 3: has come.
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  Speaker 2: To peace with it.
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  Speaker 3: And so honestly, I think the person that the posted
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  Speaker 3: this is kind of a scumbag. The timing of it.
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  Speaker 3: Look at me, click on my It's just it's interesting
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  Speaker 3: because you know what, I know several respected insiders who
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  Speaker 3: had this information. It's not indicative of who Ruben Bain
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  Speaker 3: is as a person, right, and NFL teams have already
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  Speaker 3: been aware of this information, vetted this information.
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  Speaker 2: The only concern is, you know, the was more come.
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  Speaker 3: Up after the fact, Like we had Edger and Cooper
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  Speaker 3: the linebacker who had an incident pre draft and then
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  Speaker 3: he got drafted and got all the money and then
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  Speaker 3: there were lawsuits after that became a distraction. There's some
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  Speaker 3: there's some concern with that, but it's the short arms
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  Speaker 3: are going to factor into where he gets drafted way
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  Speaker 3: more so than that unfortunate incident.
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  Speaker 7: God, you have the Jets picking David Bailey, the edge
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  Speaker 7: rusher from Texas Tech at two, and then you have
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  Speaker 7: them trading up to seven to draft Carnel Tate, the
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  Speaker 7: receiver from Ohio State. It seems like most draft analysts
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  Speaker 7: seem to agree it's not a matter if the Jets
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  Speaker 7: pick a wide receiver with that second first round pick,
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  Speaker 7: but who and when do you think that's the right
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  Speaker 7: read there?
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  Speaker 5: Because as you know, Todd, we're at South Florid to show,
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  Speaker 5: but we're really a Jets show.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, what I mean, that's what South Florida is. It's
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  Speaker 2: basically New York's country.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, it's it's smart New Yorkers.
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  Speaker 1: That moved moved away through the Yeah, well they're not
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  Speaker 1: so smart. They're Jet fans, so that's true.
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  Speaker 6: So David Bailey, I still feel good about it.
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  Speaker 3: Is interesting and the canceled thirty visit read into it
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  Speaker 3: as you want. You know, the information coming out is
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  Speaker 3: we had everything we need. We you know, we spent
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  Speaker 3: we spent a lot of time with them at Texas
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  Speaker 3: Tech Pro Day.
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  Speaker 6: It's just it's unique.
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  Speaker 3: I texted someone and I said, you know, is this
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  Speaker 3: is this just a BS? Or is it like did
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  Speaker 3: this really happen last night? And it's like, no, we
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  Speaker 3: we canceled the meeting. I tried to kind of prod
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  Speaker 3: back and didn't get much in return. So it's either
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  Speaker 3: Bailey or recent too.
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  Speaker 6: I know that for a fact, And when.
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  Speaker 3: I spoke to source earlier over the weekend, it felt
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  Speaker 3: like the heavy lean was on Bailey wide receiver. Here's
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  Speaker 3: the deal with the receivers, right, let's have a bigger
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  Speaker 3: picture conversation. Okay, there are six receivers that could and
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  Speaker 3: probably will go in the first round. Carnel, Tate, Jordan Tyson,
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  Speaker 3: and Mackay Lemon are the top three.
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  Speaker 2: They're in a tier of their own for the majority
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  Speaker 2: of teams. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Then there's this second tier of receivers that include and
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  Speaker 3: if you take a straw poll, surprisingly enough, despite all
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  Speaker 3: the talk about Omar Cooper Junior from Indiana, my information
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  Speaker 3: is that Casey conception On from Texas A and.
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  Speaker 2: M would be the fourth receiver.
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  Speaker 3: But regardless of how you stack them, it's it's Tate, Tyson, Lemon,
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  Speaker 3: and then there's a gap and then there's conception On
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  Speaker 3: Cooper Boston Denzel Boston from Washington.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, So if you're the Jets, why do you make
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  Speaker 6: this move?
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  Speaker 3: Because you have four picks in the top forty four,
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  Speaker 3: you'd like to use all of them, but you got
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of picks next year, including three in the
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  Speaker 3: first round as well.
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  Speaker 6: How big of a difference in your mind?
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of Moji and Eric Glenn and there they're inner circle?
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  Speaker 3: Is there between a Carnel Tait Tyson Lemon and conception
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  Speaker 3: she owned.
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  Speaker 6: Cooper and Boston second group?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Right, first group, second group, So that that's that's what
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  Speaker 6: the debate would be.
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  Speaker 3: But do you want to give up the forty fourth
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  Speaker 3: pick that could be a starting linebacker, could be a
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  Speaker 3: starting or nickel corner or you know.
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  Speaker 6: So that's that's the discussion going on with the Jets.
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  Speaker 2: How big is that gap? Sorry? Is he?
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  Speaker 6: It's not, It's not massive.
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  Speaker 3: And the reality is Carnel Tait's a four or five
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  Speaker 3: two receiver who was never the number one guy if
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  Speaker 3: you're trying to knock all these guys, right, But JSN
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  Speaker 3: wasn't a number one guy, and a Machiabuka was never
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  Speaker 3: a number one guy, So you can kind of debate
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  Speaker 3: that back and forth. Jordan Tyson is arguably the most
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  Speaker 3: talented receiver. Like the routes he runs, the flexibility the
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  Speaker 3: ability to catch on the run. He he's a special talent,
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  Speaker 3: but he missed one out of every three games in
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  Speaker 3: Colorado and Arizona State during his four years, and and
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  Speaker 3: and there's some concern.
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  Speaker 6: He's he's working out on Friday, tomorrow, what's today?
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  Speaker 2: Thursday? Yeah, tomorrow on the seventeen idea, what it is?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, it tells me, it tells you where I am.
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  Speaker 6: And it's a big workout, like Jermald and McCoy.
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  Speaker 3: That was a huge workout, the second corner in the class.
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  Speaker 3: All of a sudden he runs a four to three eight,
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  Speaker 3: and the information is like, well, maybe it's mensor delayne
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  Speaker 3: and and McCoy.
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  Speaker 2: You know, maybe it's one A, one B.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe McCoy goes before him, depending do they need man
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  Speaker 3: to man or more of a flexible guy, like flexible
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  Speaker 3: guy like like Delaane. But then you find out, well,
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  Speaker 3: the knee stuff and the medicals is not great. Degenerative
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  Speaker 3: is the word I keep hearing from NFL teams, and
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  Speaker 3: and the and the workout, the position workouts not as good.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone saw four three eight, Yeah, you an awesome workout. Well,
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  Speaker 3: people who were there noticed nothing was on the on
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  Speaker 3: social media the internet about the video of him working
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  Speaker 3: out as a dB. And so I say all this
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  Speaker 3: because Tyson has a workout on tomorrow on Friday.
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  Speaker 6: If that goes great, I could.
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  Speaker 3: See him being the first receiver off the board. I'm
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  Speaker 3: told that New Orleans could take him in eight. I'm
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  Speaker 3: told the Chiefs could take him at nine. And so
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  Speaker 3: that part's intriguing to me. But you do have the
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  Speaker 3: injury stuff with him and with mccaonon Lemon again, four
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  Speaker 3: five receiver, a little bit undersized, awesome tape that Iowa
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  Speaker 3: game in and of itself is enough reason to draft
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  Speaker 3: him in the top fifteen. He's so physical, he's great
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  Speaker 3: after the catch. Classic tough guy. Would be a perfect
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  Speaker 3: fit for Sean McVay. But yeah, so there's a gap.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't want to say it's massive because this
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  Speaker 3: isn't like Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson.
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  Speaker 6: You know, it's not that kind of class.
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  Speaker 5: Right, and Todd, I've been reading conflicting theories on potential
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  Speaker 5: trades in this draft. They're saying one side sort of
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  Speaker 5: saying because it's not quarterback heavy and because like you mentioned,
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  Speaker 5: with the wide receivers, Yeah, there's a group that might
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  Speaker 5: separate themselves, but not like one specific standout, that there
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  Speaker 5: won't be a lot.
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  Speaker 6: Of movement at the top of this draft.
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  Speaker 5: The other side says, because there's so much parody in
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  Speaker 5: the judgment of these players that maybe people's judgments will
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  Speaker 5: vary and therefore they will like somebody will say, oh,
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  Speaker 5: this guy's going to be a steal at fourteen, let
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  Speaker 5: me trade up for him. Either of those theories play
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  Speaker 5: into whether you think there's gonna be heavy trades in
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  Speaker 5: this draft.
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  Speaker 6: I think I would go with the former over the ladder.
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  Speaker 3: Even though I just did a mock draft that had
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  Speaker 3: five trades in the in the first round.
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  Speaker 2: I enjoyed all five of them. By the way, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I kind of did too.
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  Speaker 3: I was reflecting some of the information you're hearing. But
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  Speaker 3: just because you're hearing some of that information and talking
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  Speaker 3: to teams and what they're what they're being told, doesn't
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  Speaker 3: mean that they'll wind up, you know, panning out.
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  Speaker 6: Here's the tough part.
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  Speaker 2: Is he right?
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  Speaker 6: There's a real elite class in this in this draft,
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  Speaker 6: and take Mendoza out of it.
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  Speaker 3: You either put him up there with the elite elite,
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  Speaker 3: or in my opinion, he's.
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  Speaker 6: He's a notch below.
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't have him with the same grade as
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Williams or Drake May or Jaden Daniels, and I
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  Speaker 3: have him right around where I had cam Ward last year.
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  Speaker 3: But a lot of people had cam Ward a little
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  Speaker 3: bit higher than I did.
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  Speaker 6: Take him out of it.
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  Speaker 3: You look at this class, the elite class is truly
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  Speaker 3: the best four football players. I think in this draft
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  Speaker 3: running back Jeremiah Love, off ball, linebacker Sonny Styles, safety
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Downs, and I would honestly argue Venga y Wanna,
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  Speaker 3: the offensive.
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  Speaker 6: Guard from Brin State.
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  Speaker 3: And then you talk about Rvel Reese, who's a conversion player.
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  Speaker 3: Got to develop him, better, have a plan for him.
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  Speaker 3: And then if you want to throw David Bailey in there,
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  Speaker 3: you can. I think he's right on the cusp, but
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  Speaker 3: he's not great versus the run. He's got a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of tightness. So like those are the guys right there,
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  Speaker 3: Jeremiah Love might be the best player in this draft.
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  Speaker 3: It's hard enough to take a running back at four
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  Speaker 3: if you're Tennessee, at three, if you're Arizona, at seven,
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  Speaker 3: if you're Washington, and make him the sixth or seventh
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  Speaker 3: or eighth or ninth highest paid running back before he
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  Speaker 3: takes a snap, before he carries the b once in
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  Speaker 3: the league.
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  Speaker 6: It's hard enough to take a safety.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look at where Hamilton went, what fourteen, it's
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  Speaker 3: been a you know, safeties normally don't go this high,
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  Speaker 3: but they're gonna go. And the reason I say all
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  Speaker 3: this is it's hard enough to take those positions as
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  Speaker 3: high as that there. They're going to go in the
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  Speaker 3: top ten, But then to trade capital to go up
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  Speaker 3: and get one of those guys, it's a tough pill
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  Speaker 3: to swallow. But then you say, you know what, there's
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  Speaker 3: only four or five eliteus in this entire draft.
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  Speaker 6: I want to get one of them.
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  Speaker 3: So is Dallas going to say Sunny Styles is sitting
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  Speaker 3: there at six, which I don't know that he's going
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  Speaker 3: to be, because the Giants could very well take him,
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  Speaker 3: or I think Caleb Downs at five, or for Dallas
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  Speaker 3: they may want either. Or for that new defensive scheme
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  Speaker 3: they need a guy who can they gave up. I
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  Speaker 3: think second worst or maybe worse in the league tight
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  Speaker 3: ends and tight ends and running backs receiving yards last year.
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  Speaker 3: The miscommunication the breakdowns in the secondary styles is I
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  Speaker 3: was told by one executive, Sunny Styles from Ohio State,
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  Speaker 3: He's going to be a CEO of a company. He's
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  Speaker 3: going to run a company one day when he's done
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  Speaker 3: with football. Like he's that smart and like got it
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  Speaker 3: together that much. Caleb down has been the smartest football
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  Speaker 3: player in the country since he stepped on the campus
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  Speaker 3: at Tuscaloosa and continue to be the last two years
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  Speaker 3: in Columbus. So I could see Dallas pulling the trigger.
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  Speaker 3: I think two teams to watch that are willing to
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  Speaker 3: take to move out of their spots for even maybe
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  Speaker 3: a little less than value.
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  Speaker 6: Arizona at three.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get out of three and move back three, four,
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  Speaker 3: five to seven spots and get an offensive tackle at
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  Speaker 3: a better value and get an additional pick, because we
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: might want to move up for Ty Simpson. And if
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: we don't go get Simpson this year, we're going to
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: maybe try to get some capital for next year to
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: go up and get our quarterback then. And then also
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Cleveland similar situation. Need an offensive tackle, don't want to
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: have to take it at six, would love to take
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: one a few picks later. Give us some capital for
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: next year if we can get it, so that we're
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: in position. If Shador doesn't work out this year, Deshaun
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Watson or Gabriel or whatever they're you know, whatever works
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: out in Cleveland.
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: So I think I think.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: Those are the two spots to really look at for
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: trades in the top ten.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Should you see the Giants taking love? Who's going to
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: be making the Giants pick? Will it be Joe Shane
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: or John Horbord. It's gonna be John Harbaugh.
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: Right, yes, sir?
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Can you see them taking a running back there? I
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: wouldn't completely rule it out, but but mostly rule it out.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: I think, uh, it was interesting. I talked to two people.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Who worked for a long time with with Harbaugh and
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: obviously he was in lockstep with Ozzie Newsome for a while, yes,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: excuse me, and then and then Eric ta Costa the
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: current jam and and so at the end of the day,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: the general manager kind of made that pick, but it
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: was always in you know, in tandem.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: This is the.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: First time while it's still technically in tandem and they're working.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: This is John's peck, right, And so I asked a
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: couple of people who were like knowing him, and I'm
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: looking at Francis Mile we.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Know with the offensive tackle.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: They want to solidify their offensive line, they want to
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: be physical and all that. And I'm looking at the
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: safety Caleb Downs and then their history of safeties with
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: their coordinators, right A. Minter and McDonald like the deep
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: passion for safety position. And then also linebacker dating back
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: to like Ray Lewis Roquan Smith like all the and
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: and they both of them said he wants all three,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: like has more value for the linebacker and safety than most.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: But something about that offensive lineman I just think. And
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: then and then I talked to another executive was like,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: it's absolutely defense, you know, And and then I started
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: talking about Then I put out the mock draft with
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: now we know five and I get a couple of texts.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: Like you missed on that one. It's styles are down.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna have one of those two Ohio State
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: defensive players going to the Giants and in the final
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: mock draft next week.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: This would drive me crazy.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Your job too many people in my years, I mean
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: I know, I know, and sorting through what's real and
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: who's trying to maybe like get me off of a
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: player right exactly. You know, gig on the medical in
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: this guy, and I make some mother calls like medical.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: At least you know they're paying attention, though, I mean.
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: Yes, Todd.
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: From the outside looking in, it feels like nobody knows
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: what to do with Kenyon Sadik, the tight end from Oregon,
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: where it's clear he's the number one tight end in
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: this draft, but his production doesn't really match previous number
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: one tight ends in other drafts. How do you see
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: his draft night playing out? It was give you a
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: little backstory. It was interesting this year. I talked to
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: some scouts who.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Had left Oregon within recent weeks and they were and
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I was asking about Sadik and Theeneman and some of
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: their other pross by sad Dante Moore at the time
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: this is in like I don't know, October, and they're
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: kind of frustrated with them at the time.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I loved him when he was the when he was
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: the number two tight end. He was grinding, he was working,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: he was like nothing, you know, fighting through Nix and
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: all that stuff behind Jake for not Jake for who
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: was Terence Ferguson the year before, And then he becomes
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: the guy and it's like a little bit, you know,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say diva, but just like not
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: as consistent, not as and and so that information gets
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: I mentioned something about it, and the folks at Oregon
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: are pissed.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: They sent out a letter to like NFL teams and
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: scouts and all that about like information that we share
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: with you, you know. And and from that point on,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: you saw, like a week later he came. Sidique was
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: like he if you really go look at it just
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: as stats if you want.
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: The production went and you could like he was playing.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: With like more I don't know fire right right, And
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: so I think I'm not saying I lit a fire.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I'm saying I think the information, I think what the
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: coaches were doing, I think like it finally struck.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: A chord with him.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: But the production was not what you'd expect.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: You look at Tyler Warren a year ago, and my
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: grade on Warren in Loveland, grades on Warren in Loveland
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: a year ago or higher than that of Sadik. But
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Warren was like, you know, every game, it was like
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: seven nine catches. He was snapping the ball, he was
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: running the ball, you know. And then Loveland like they
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: didn't have an offense that got him the ball a ton,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: but it was like seventeen yard reception and like I
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: run after Kit and Sadiq had some of that right,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: and then he goes to the combine he runs like,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: you know, record breaking time for a tight end and
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: he had like forty plus inch vertical And you can
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: see all the skills, So you're kind of weighing all
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: those things. He's not coming into the league like as
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: polished and ready and like proven as Warren and Loveland
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: and even brock Bauers, right, but he's got these traits
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: that are so unique and he has done a lot,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: you know, it's just not to that level.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I think, Carolina, what is it?
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Nineteen is probably the parachute I could see, Like I've
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: heard Kansas City has some interest, But I've heard like
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: five names with Kansas City, from offensive Lineman to to
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: ruben Bain to most Probably the heaviest name, or the
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: most mentioned name recently is Jordan Tyson. If he works out,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: so I wouldn't I wouldn't suspect that he's going to
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: be the pick there, but that's where the watch starts.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: So somewhere nine to nineteen would be my would be
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: my guest.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: At town I'm just going to say it, when you
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: have no offense anybody else, When you combine the quality
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: of information you have, the way you presented, and your
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: depth of knowledge on the sport, you got to be
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: the best draft guy who's ever done it.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: And any spoiler is going to be when you're throwing
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: the hair.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, yes, well, that's just the bonus I appreciate
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: that is he I work at it.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: I do my best, you know, that's all.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: That's all I wanted to say.
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: That's a great way to end. I don't know that's
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: what I was.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was gonna ask you how much longer
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: do Baine's arms need to beat to be the number
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: one pick of the draft?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're not going to grow.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: So it's twenty years, and I don't think anyone looked
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: past twenty years the report that you know that it
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: was two decades of there hasn't been an edge rusher
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: in the first round with sub thirty one inch arms,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: nor has there been an edge rusher in the NFL
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: with double digit sacks with so it's you know, you
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: and I both have.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: Small fingers that sawg O.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we know what we know what it's like
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: to wake up every day with no limitation, yes, and
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: comes back around this dude's hand.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: I know it all too well. The McShay show.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Check it out wherever you get your podcast. Listen.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I agree with Izzy, but what busy?
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I say the same thing the mouth all right, yeah,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: what a perfect time to end his computer going, yeah straight.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: My computer's fine. I just said.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I said the same thing the mel when he's on
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I'll promote the event one more time, the draft event
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: you do with Netflix.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: Netflix.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: We're live half hour before the draft on Thursday night,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: half hour before on Friday night. We'll be live for
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: all three rounds, and we'll have a show on Saturday
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: as well, recap on Sunday, but live on Netflix. That's
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: what would come. Be there with us. It'll be a
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: lot more fun than watching the ninety second clip and
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: the highlight reel and all that. Like, we're gonna be
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: talking to gms throughout. We're gonna be getting what's actually
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: going on, and we'll make you smarter, I promise.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I'm happy for you, man. You see him happy. You
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: are happy, So I am happy for you. Congratulations to
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: you and I look forward to the show on Netflix.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: Brother, Thanks Izzie. I won't forget that. Hey, let's make
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: that clip.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do that, Taylor, I'll get out of here. It's
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: gonna be me saying I say it
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: To mel Let me all right, Taylor, get on it.