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Cult Mom Lori Vallow: Trouble in Paradise · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece. How many times do I
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  Speaker 1: have to ask this question? Will she ever go away? Well?
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  Speaker 1: You know what I know the answer to that. The
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  Speaker 1: answer is no. Cult Mom, Laurie Valo is going to
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  Speaker 1: be with us for a very long time. There is
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  Speaker 1: someday going to be a trial for the murder of
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  Speaker 1: her two children. And that's just touching the tip of
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  Speaker 1: the iceberg. With all the dead bodies connected to Laurie Valoe.
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  Speaker 1: There will be a trial, God help us all. I
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  Speaker 1: think there will be a conviction. Then there will be
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  Speaker 1: years and years of antics behind bars, and then the
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  Speaker 1: appeals process, God forbid, there's a reversal, and so forth
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  Speaker 1: and so on. I mean, you know, Charles Manson is dead.
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  Speaker 1: He's still dead, isn't he, Jackie. Charles Manson is dead
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  Speaker 1: and we still hear about him all the time. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: In that vein, let me introduce to you our guest today.
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  Speaker 1: It's Nate Eaton, and I believe I can say not
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  Speaker 1: only my colleague, but now my friend, Nate, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for joining us. It's a real pleasure to have you on.
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  Speaker 1: Nate eating is the news director at East Idaho News
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  Speaker 1: dot com. You can find him on Facebook Nate Eaton
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  Speaker 1: dash Reporter. That's your Facebook handle, right, Nate Eaton dash Reporter. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to help you with that. And on
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  Speaker 1: Instagram at in dot Eaton Nate. Okay, I've got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of serious topics to talk about with I'll call
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  Speaker 1: it Mom Laurie Valo. But first, there's a certain spring
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  Speaker 1: to her step. There's more jail made makeup, her hair
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  Speaker 1: looks different, she's dressing up almost giddy. Is it because
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  Speaker 1: she sees is it husband number four or five? I
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  Speaker 1: lost track. I think it's for the cult prophet Chad
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  Speaker 1: day Bell, you know, as if I know. But I've
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  Speaker 1: got a sense from reading the New Testament that Christ
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  Speaker 1: would not be very happy with Chad day Bell's doomsday
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  Speaker 1: hate field prophecy about somehow getting to heaven is like
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  Speaker 1: a VIP limited ticket event, you know. I mean, I'll
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  Speaker 1: be lucky just to be a little mouse in the
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  Speaker 1: corner watching all the Saints if I get really lucky.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, this guy really takes the cake. But
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  Speaker 1: since I'm not a Bible scholar, I'll get off that
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  Speaker 1: and back on Lorie Valo. That's something I can tell
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  Speaker 1: you about trials. Why she's so happy in court? Is
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  Speaker 1: it because she's seeing day Bell. Well, they did appear
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  Speaker 1: for the very first time together in a courtroom very recently.
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  Speaker 1: And one thing that stuck out to me, Nancy, is
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  Speaker 1: you know, we were all sitting there waiting for the
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  Speaker 1: defendants to walk in, and Laurie came in with a
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  Speaker 1: big well with mile on her. What are you friends?
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  Speaker 1: Now you're on a first name basis. Do you explain
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  Speaker 1: about fighting over for one of her cult mom dinners
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  Speaker 1: when she gets out of jail. That's not happening, Laurie now,
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  Speaker 1: or just call it mom, please? You're hurting my ears.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead. He had a smile on, she had on
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  Speaker 1: her lips took, her hair was curled, She had on
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  Speaker 1: black leggings, a nice white blouse, and she sat down
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  Speaker 1: and waited for Chad Dave Bell to walk in. And
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  Speaker 1: one thing I noticed is when he walked in, he
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  Speaker 1: looked at her ever so slightly, gave her a small smile,
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  Speaker 1: and then looked straight ahead. And over the next hours,
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  Speaker 1: there's trouble. Go ahead, Yeah, Laurie repeatedly looked over at Chad,
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  Speaker 1: but I did not see him glance at her. Even
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  Speaker 1: when it came time for him to leave for his
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  Speaker 1: you know, to go back to the jail. She looked
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  Speaker 1: at him. He did not look at her. So one
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  Speaker 1: can assume that they're each building their own defense strategies
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  Speaker 1: as we get closer and closer to the trial. I
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  Speaker 1: think that that is likely a very wise assumption, because
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  Speaker 1: now they're not together all the time the way they
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  Speaker 1: were when they I'm just gonna put it out. They're
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  Speaker 1: cheated on both their spouses. Both of their spouses end
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  Speaker 1: up dead, and now now they are still married, even
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  Speaker 1: though they're in separate holding facilities. Do they can Is
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  Speaker 1: there any way that they can FaceTime each other? I
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  Speaker 1: mean in the sense that could she FaceTime her lawyer
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  Speaker 1: and he patch in day Bell who is facetiming his
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  Speaker 1: lawyer from the jail. Is that possible, yes, But from
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  Speaker 1: I've heard, that has not happened because Laurie asked her
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  Speaker 1: attorneys to file emotion to see Chad face to face
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  Speaker 1: so that they could have strategy sessions. They wanted to
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  Speaker 1: sit down in a room without the prosecutor there, but
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  Speaker 1: have Chad's attorney Chad Laurie's attorney. Laurie have a deputy
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  Speaker 1: outside the door so that the room is secure and
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  Speaker 1: really to discuss strategy. Obviously, the state had major issues
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  Speaker 1: with this. They said, if you're talking strategy, your settlement,
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  Speaker 1: we need to be involved in this. But Laurie wanted
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  Speaker 1: to see her husband, and her attorney argued that they're married,
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  Speaker 1: they should have a right. They're charged with the same crime,
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  Speaker 1: they should have a you know, the legal right to
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  Speaker 1: sit together and talk about strategy. Ultimately, the judge said, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's not how okay, pause right there. They do not
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  Speaker 1: have a right. Let's just be clear about that. The
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  Speaker 1: reality is that when you were charged with double murder,
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  Speaker 1: you have no right to be in a room with
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  Speaker 1: your spouse who is also charged with double murder. That
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  Speaker 1: is not in the constitution, and the constitution is it
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  Speaker 1: has been interpreted over many, many years in our wonderful country.
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  Speaker 1: You do have the right to an attorney. If you
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  Speaker 1: cannot afford an attorney, the state i e. You and
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  Speaker 1: me will pay for the attorney for you, including a
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  Speaker 1: lawyer on appeal. You do not get the right to
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  Speaker 1: visit with loved ones in a private room in oh
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  Speaker 1: that's the end of that. And that is because that's
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  Speaker 1: how the judge ruled Nancy. If the judge said, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's not happening. You know, you need to communicate
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  Speaker 1: work out of settlement strategy would ever go through your attorneys.
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  Speaker 1: So the only time they do see each other are
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  Speaker 1: during these court hearings for a few hours at a time.
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  Speaker 1: That that's it. There's no other communication. And Chad has
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  Speaker 1: a set list of people that he talks to, a
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  Speaker 1: children being some of them, and his attorney, and Laurie
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  Speaker 1: has a set list of people she talks to. But
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  Speaker 1: it's been we're going on over three years now since
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  Speaker 1: I first tracked him down in Hawaiian woo oh. I
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  Speaker 1: love that video of you. Is it your hand? Where
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  Speaker 1: you're chasing Laurie Valoe in Hawaii and you're and you're saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: where are your children? Have you talked to your children?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know where your children are? Wasn't that your hand?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you're running pretty hard to keep up with her.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Hey, why are you looking at her
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  Speaker 1: attire so closely? Is it because you knew someone may
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  Speaker 1: would ask? Well, here here's the thing, and this part
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  Speaker 1: of the state where we cover trials and hearings all
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  Speaker 1: the time. People normally are in yellow or orange stripes, jumpsuits,
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  Speaker 1: gell uniforms. They're not. They don't have their hair curled,
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  Speaker 1: they don't have makeup on. They don't say she had
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  Speaker 1: her hair curl. Nate Eaton, I'm telling your what did
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  Speaker 1: he say that at the beginning? He did say her
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  Speaker 1: hair was curled? Yeah, you always sighed with him, Jackie,
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  Speaker 1: You always sighed with Nateine. Okay, all right, I'll pretend
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  Speaker 1: that she's right this time. So her hair was curled
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  Speaker 1: or the in the what do you say, mermaid curls
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  Speaker 1: going down her Yeah, kind of how her she's looked
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  Speaker 1: at in the past. I will say, though the hair
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  Speaker 1: dye has worn off, so there was darker hair. I
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  Speaker 1: say it simply because I am asked about that, probably
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  Speaker 1: more than anything when these hearings come. What did she
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  Speaker 1: look like? What was her behavior like? You know, there
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  Speaker 1: have been stages of this case where her case is
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  Speaker 1: on hold because of her competency questions, and people think, well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe if she takes medication or she gets uh, you know, counseling,
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  Speaker 1: the shoal appear and act differently, or maybe now that
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  Speaker 1: cameras are not in the courtroom, she will act differently.
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  Speaker 1: I have noticed no changes at all over the past
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  Speaker 1: three years. So bottom line, there was a joint appearance
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  Speaker 1: in court where cult mom Laurie Valo appeared with I
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  Speaker 1: believe makeup, hair curled black times, a new white shirt,
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  Speaker 1: and gazed sending non verbal communication to her fourth husband,
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  Speaker 1: Chad Dave Bell also charged a double murder and the
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  Speaker 1: murders of her two children, JJ and Tyley, who were
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  Speaker 1: not only murdered, but their bodies are rendered asunder burned.
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  Speaker 1: What they did to Tyley's body is just behind beyond
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  Speaker 1: comprehension to me. That said sending nonverbal communication to him.
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  Speaker 1: He gave one brief smile and that was it. There's
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  Speaker 1: trouble in Paradise. That's the banner crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: The reality is I believe that at Chad Daybill the
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  Speaker 1: cult doomsday profit, is planning a defense without wife Lori Valo.
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  Speaker 1: He could actually even be turning on her. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I see that a lot Nate eating as I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: you have where once you get co defendants in court,
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  Speaker 1: they always point the finger at each other. Has the
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  Speaker 1: judge severed their cases or are they going to be
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  Speaker 1: tried together. Well, that's an interesting point you bring up,
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  Speaker 1: because right now there's set to be tried together beginning
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  Speaker 1: of April. But Chad's attorney twice has filed motions to sever.
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  Speaker 1: He says that they deserve separate cases. It's not gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: Give it up unless they're gonna unless they're unless the
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  Speaker 1: death penalties. The possibility they're not going to get there,
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  Speaker 1: sever both. They are going for death penalties. I thought
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  Speaker 1: that they had retracted that. Okay, I'm glad you told
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  Speaker 1: me that. So DP is on the table. They probably
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  Speaker 1: will be severed. Then they will be severed. It's on
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  Speaker 1: the table, and we're six weeks away from the trial
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  Speaker 1: and they're still waiting on evidence. So Chad's attorney is arguing, Listen,
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  Speaker 1: by the time this evidence comes back, I've got to
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  Speaker 1: have my expert review it. I've got to get analysis
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  Speaker 1: on it. That'll take weeks. It will not be ready
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  Speaker 1: by the time the trial starts this April third. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's hold on. So we've got basically not much less
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  Speaker 1: of no, no, yeah, this is not going in April.
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  Speaker 1: If this is a DP death penalty, it is not
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  Speaker 1: going forward in April. I can tell you that right. Well,
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  Speaker 1: now here's the problem. Nancy Lorie Vallow has not waived
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  Speaker 1: her right to a speedy trial, and she has argued
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  Speaker 1: that the clock is ticking. She has six months from
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  Speaker 1: when she was arraigned last year to have the trial,
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  Speaker 1: and when that six months date hits, her attorneys filed
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  Speaker 1: emotions saying the case needs to be dismissed. Her constitutional
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  Speaker 1: rights have been violated because she has not seen a jury.
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  Speaker 1: So the judge has to decide is you're going to
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  Speaker 1: sever it and give Chad Davell more time so they
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  Speaker 1: can go through this this DNA evidence, or do they
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  Speaker 1: keep it together and say, sorry, Laurie's Vallow's right, Who's
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  Speaker 1: right supersede the others? So it should be interesting in
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  Speaker 1: the next few weeks what he decides to do severance
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  Speaker 1: and I predict she Laurie Valow will go to trial.
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  Speaker 1: Is the speedy still in place? She has not retracted
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  Speaker 1: the speedy will they have to go forward if a
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  Speaker 1: speedy trial demand is a very powerful tool used by
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  Speaker 1: the defense. Under our constitution, you have a right to
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  Speaker 1: a speedy trial, and that typically means they within the
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  Speaker 1: grand jury session in which the case was indicted in
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  Speaker 1: one more. Usually grand jury sessions go about three to
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  Speaker 1: four months and then a new grand jury comes in,
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  Speaker 1: so at bet most likely that would be six months
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  Speaker 1: from the time she files a speedy That puts the
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  Speaker 1: state in a bad spot, especially when you have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of circumstantial evidence, DNA evidence, scientific evidence. You've got
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  Speaker 1: to marshal to get to trial. But if the defense
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  Speaker 1: does not retract the speedy trial demand, the state's got
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  Speaker 1: to go forward with what they've got or else it's
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  Speaker 1: like a no show at a softball game. You get skunked.
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  Speaker 1: It's over. She walks if they don't give her a
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  Speaker 1: speedy trial. So unless she withdraws that, they're going forward.
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  Speaker 1: And I imagine that they would sever Nate Eaton so
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  Speaker 1: they can have time to marshal more evidence against him
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  Speaker 1: the way they would like to against her. So unless
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  Speaker 1: she withdraws it, they are going forward. I'm glad you
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  Speaker 1: reminded me of that. So they would be going forward
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  Speaker 1: with a DP in April against Lorie Valo. That's how
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  Speaker 1: it looks right now to me. That is how it looks,
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  Speaker 1: and that's how it her attorney say they're preparing for.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, there could be from what I'm hearing. There
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  Speaker 1: have been talks of a possible settlement plea agreements, but
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  Speaker 1: there's been that with either part as far as maybe
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  Speaker 1: take the death penalty off the table and take life
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  Speaker 1: in prison or you know, fifty year minimums on each
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  Speaker 1: count or something like that, but there's been no headweight
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  Speaker 1: from everything I've heard. You know, it's easy for us
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  Speaker 1: to sit back and say what we would do. But
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  Speaker 1: I guarantee you if I had this case, I would
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  Speaker 1: try Laurie Valoe so she won't with her speedy. I
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  Speaker 1: would try her with the DP and see where the
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  Speaker 1: chips fall, because the reality is, I think it's highly
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  Speaker 1: doubtful a jury would get a woman the DP. It
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  Speaker 1: has happened, It could happen here because she's so darn conniving.
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  Speaker 1: But I would absolutely try her and get the maximum.
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  Speaker 1: If not DP, then life behind bars. Do you guys
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  Speaker 1: have life for that parole? We do? Yeah? Yeah. Miss
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  Speaker 1: Thane needs life without parole. That's what I think she needs.
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  Speaker 1: Give her a couple of decades to think about what
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  Speaker 1: she did. The latest and Idaho judge has denied cult
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  Speaker 1: mom Laurie Vallo's request for a joint thirty minute strategy
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  Speaker 1: session with Harby Chad Davil ahead of their April murder trial.
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  Speaker 1: So far, they've not been severed, although continuing motions to
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  Speaker 1: sever are going down. I predict the judge will sever. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Chad Dayvil has not filed a speedy Is that correct,
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  Speaker 1: Nate Aiden, Yeah, he waved his right, so he has
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  Speaker 1: all the time that he wants and his attorney wants
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  Speaker 1: all the time that he can get with all of
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  Speaker 1: the evidence. I mean, there's terabytes of information that DNA
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  Speaker 1: evidence has come in. I think we talked before, Nancy
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  Speaker 1: about the shovel that was at Chad Dayville's backyard that
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  Speaker 1: they found DNA evidence on, and a hair volatile that
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  Speaker 1: was found on JJ's the duct tape that was surrounding
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  Speaker 1: his body. They're testing that. They want to know whose
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  Speaker 1: hair that is. It's likely it could be Alex Cox,
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  Speaker 1: who's dead, and one of the defense strategies could be
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  Speaker 1: point the finger at Laurie's brother Alex, who they know
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  Speaker 1: was there his phone pinged on Chad Davel's backyard where
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  Speaker 1: the bodies were found. So are they going to just
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  Speaker 1: pointed as Alex? Do they have? Absolutely they're gonna both
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  Speaker 1: try to blame Laurie Vlo's brother, Alex her She said
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  Speaker 1: this not me avenging angel, who would go out and
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  Speaker 1: kill people at her bidding. So you know who's got
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  Speaker 1: a pretty good chance. I really think if they're severed,
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  Speaker 1: each one has a better chance at pointing the finger
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  Speaker 1: at the other. If they're both sitting in the courtroom together,
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  Speaker 1: that's going to be more difficult. But Chad day Bell
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  Speaker 1: has a pretty good shot at this, at even a
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  Speaker 1: potential not guilty. Do I think he's not guilty? No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't. But between blaming Alex Cox the brother and
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  Speaker 1: Lorie Vlla, he's got a pretty good chance if he
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  Speaker 1: could convince a jury he had no idea what was
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  Speaker 1: being buried in his backyard essentially, Yeah, that's a big
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  Speaker 1: convincing when you think Nancy, I mean yeah, but for
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  Speaker 1: someone gullible on the jury, no, yeah, it would. It
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  Speaker 1: would be a interesting feat to see what it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be the hard evidence against day Bell. Well, but
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  Speaker 1: you've also got his wife who's dead, but that's not
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  Speaker 1: going to be tried here. I think there's a better
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  Speaker 1: shot of getting him convicted. Wait, you think they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: try J J. Tyley and Lori together Tammy, Yeah, Tammy
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  Speaker 1: all three yep, all three murder and conspiracy to commit
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  Speaker 1: murder on all three bonds. Wow. You know what, that
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  Speaker 1: was so smart of the state to include all all
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  Speaker 1: three of the victims in that one indictment. That was
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  Speaker 1: really good strategy on their part, because once you throw
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  Speaker 1: Tammy day Bell into the mix, a jury I believe
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  Speaker 1: will absolutely find him guilty on that. I mean on
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  Speaker 1: the Amazon order alone, They're going to go straight to hell.
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  Speaker 1: Would you refresh everybody's recollection on the Amazon order? I'm
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  Speaker 1: still amazed at that. What idiots? Yeah, So, as as
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  Speaker 1: Tammy it is still alive. Lorie Valow gets into her
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  Speaker 1: dead husband's Amazon account and orders a rich dead husband
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  Speaker 1: be specific man has the number four, Charles Vallow, who
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  Speaker 1: was shot and killed by Laurie's brother three or four
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  Speaker 1: months previous. Well, she was standing right there going don't
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  Speaker 1: don't go ahead. That's also the same day after the
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  Speaker 1: shooting she took JJ to Burger King and went and
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  Speaker 1: bought flip flops and dropped him off at school as
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  Speaker 1: her husband was dying on the floor. So this Amazon
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  Speaker 1: order has placed for these rings and they're real specific
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  Speaker 1: green rings that you would have to really go looking for.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't a diamond ring, It wasn't like a fancy
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  Speaker 1: engagement ring. A month later, after Tammy's dead, after the
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  Speaker 1: children are reported missing, Laurie and Chad get married on
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  Speaker 1: the beach, and the photos clearly show those rings, both
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  Speaker 1: of them wearing. Nate Aden, I know you're the veteran reporter,
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  Speaker 1: but I think you just totally buried the banner. You
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  Speaker 1: buried the headline. This should be above the fold. Didn't
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  Speaker 1: she search and purchase, search for and purchase a beach
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  Speaker 1: bac h wedding dress? Yes? No, she did? Yea. And
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  Speaker 1: isn't it true that, just a couple of weeks after
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  Speaker 1: his wife, Tammy Daville's death, she was healthy as a
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  Speaker 1: horse and died in her sleep. They go to Hawaii
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  Speaker 1: together and she has a beach wedding wearing the dress
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  Speaker 1: she ordered from Amazon before Tammy's death. Yeah, three weeks
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  Speaker 1: after Tammy died. They were guilty. Unless she's clairvoyant, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe that she is. How would she know
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  Speaker 1: that in three weeks she was going to have a
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  Speaker 1: wedding to a married man. I mean, I just no
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: that's completely wrong. Now it's three weeks after Tammy died,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: but how did they got married? But how far before
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: her death did she order her beach wedding dress. It
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: was a few weeks before her death. But but you know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: some would say stronger than that is their text messages
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: between each other and Nancy. I mean they were, they were.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Chad was telling Lorie in text that the time is
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: coming for Tammy to die. He told Tammy to go
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: visit her family several hours away by herself, and had
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: told people she was going to be killed in a
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: car crash and she wasn't dying. I think that was
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: you know what I think that was. I'm writing it
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: down Vanity one of the seven Deadly sins. Of course,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: you know that's an old English lore, but it's not
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: one of the Ten Commandments. But Vanity pride time stories
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. I believe that he knew that he
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: was going to kill Tammy day Belle, and he was
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: basically bragging that he was clairvoyant or had prophecies or visions,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: and then she died in her sleep, as if he
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: predicted it through a prophecy sent from heaven. I hate
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: to even say heaven in the same sentence as all
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: of that. Okay, but yes, you're right. The text messages
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: are incredibly powerful. So right now we've got the judge
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: denying their thirty minute strategy aka makeout session. Day Bell
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: no caught Mom. Laurie Valo repeatedly asked for her case
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: to be dismissed, completely thrown out. Has he Chad day
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Bell also asked for the case to be dismissed. He
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: is not was their big push right now as the severance.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: They want the cases split up, and we should know
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: in the next week or so if the judge is
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: going to grant that day argued. It's the same witnesses,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: it's the same evidence, it's the same cases. It will
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: cost double. We're already into the millions of dollars for
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: these small Idaho counties. It will cost double to try
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: this case twice. And you made a point a few
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: minutes ago, Nancy. Do I think a lot of people
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: would agree with they try Laurie. Dad's able to watch
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: and see what happens in her trial, see what the
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: verdict is, and then maybe he coped to play after
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: it because he had not want to play. I don't
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: want to play. I reject that. I want them both
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to go down for life without parole. That's what I
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: want them to have. I think. I think if the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: state removes the death penalty option that they can be
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: tried together in April. If the state does not remove
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the death penalty, it's gonna make it a lot more difficult.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: So called my Laurie Vallos asked to have the case dismiss.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: DNA testing continues. I think we're going to have a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: lot of DNA from the Avenging Angel brother Alex cox Um.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I want to hear anything else you can tell me
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: about her, not just her appearance, the makeup, the curled hair,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: the blouse, the leggings, but I want to hear about
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: his demeanor as well during the hearing gloom, downcast, pensive,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: but I would say evasive, and he see a loof
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe you could say never be trying not to look
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: at her. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, he
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: looks straight ahead, regardless of who's talking, he is looking
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: straight ahead. He always has his white thress shirt on
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: with a tie. I don't I don't recall him ever,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you know, any sort of banter with anyone else whereas Laurie,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: she's taking notes, she's looking around the room, she's smiling,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: she's very much engaged in a way into what's happening.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: And so it's quite the dynamic, which if they do
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: go to trial together, that will be interesting to watch
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the dynamics between the two. And Laurie's attorney has even
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: said he may put her on the stage and tell
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: me about that. Well, I think that he maybe wants
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the world to see who she is in a way
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: and in a weird way, that there have been so
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: many psychological evaluations done on her. I believe it's been
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: six different psychiatrists who have evaluated her. She spent ten
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: months in the Idaho State Hospital where she, by all accounts,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: was the social director for the inmates that were there,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: not inmates with the patients that were there. It is
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: just something that it's hard to describe until you see her,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: until you meet her. And the competency has played in
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: two times in this trial with different attorneys saying we
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: don't know if she's competent yet. She has cleared the
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: banner that she knows what she's charged with and she
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: can assist in her defense in Idaho. That's all you need.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: There's no insanity defense. You just have to be able
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: to assist in your defense and understand what's happening. She
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: meets that standard, but she clearly but by all accounts
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: or anyone looking at her, you would think something's not
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: right here. A mother who was not right does not
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: rise to insanity. And if you say it's crazy or
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: insane for a mother to kill her child, and the
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: street sense of the word of normal vernacular, yes, but
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: in the legal sense of the word, no, if you
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: knew it was wrong at the time of the incident,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: then you were not insane. And the cover up itself
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: tells me she knew it was wrong. That going to Hawaii,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the lying about where the children were, the whole thing
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: reeks of cover up. Now we know the judge ruled
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: on a day bell trial, postponement and jury sequestration. What
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: was the decision on sequestration. The jury will not be
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: sequestered during the trial. However, if they do decide to
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: go with a death penalty, then during the penalty phase
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: where they discuss whether she's going to get death penalty
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: or not, they will be sequestered during that portion of
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: the of the deliberations, Okay, repeat one more time place
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: so that during the trial there's the two if they
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: go they decide the death penalty phase that she's going
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to get death penalty during the actual trial, the jury
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: will not be sequestered. When it comes to the penalty phase.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: When they're found guilty, then they have to decide on
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the penalty. The jury will be sequestered during that. Another question,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: they judge ruled on a day bill trial postponement. Who
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: wanted a postponement or Chad side the Chad side. Who's
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: wanted that postponement? And how did the judge rule X nay. Yeah,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the judge that I can't be because the cases are
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: tried together, and I can't push Laurie's case any further
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: without a severance. That's right. If he postpone owned day Bells,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: hers would have to be postponed. Also if they're going
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: to be tried together, and we can't postpone hers because
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: of the speedy trial demand, therefore they both have to
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: go forward. What was his grounds for requesting a delay
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the DNA evidence. Yeah, and it's interesting you think about this.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: As I said, we're three years into it and he's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: still getting evidence turned over, and from what I have heard,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the evidence of stuff, electronic evidence is just they said
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: last week, I believe that they had a two thousand
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: pages of documents. Hey, you know what, if you don't
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: want to deal with two thousand pages of new documents
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: against you, don't commit triple murder. There I put it
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: out there. Remember that, Nate Eton, don't commit triple murder
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: if you don't want two thousand documents a brand new
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: evidence thrown at you four or five weeks before trial.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: They can both sit there and simmer and stew and
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: think about what they've done. Wait, Calma Laurie Valen's not
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: thinking about what she's done. She's busy making you pink
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: lip gloss for her next sport appearance. Okay, Nate Eden,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: run with the wind Man. Thank you for joining us. Well,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: stay on it