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Fair Territory: Braves sign back Raisel Iglesias, Astros dump Dubón, FA closers, Angels/Orioles swap · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Thursday edition of Fair Territory. I'm Ken
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  Speaker 1: Rosenthal and welcome back to Alana Rizzo, Alano. We missed you.
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  Speaker 1: Good to have you back and we have a good
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  Speaker 1: deal to talk about, even though it's still mid to
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  Speaker 1: late November.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ken, great to be with you. Has always went
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  Speaker 2: to Africa trip of a lifetime. I highly recommend it.
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  Speaker 2: But let's get to baseball. That's what the show is
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  Speaker 2: about and the Atlanta Braves. Ken Rosenthal making some moves.
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  Speaker 2: One that was interesting because it could have been dealt
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  Speaker 2: looks like he's there to stay, typical.
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  Speaker 1: Of Alexanthopolis, the Braves president of baseball operations. He struck
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  Speaker 1: quickly two moves last night. The first was a trade
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  Speaker 1: for Mauricio Dubon, who can be in their shortstop mix.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into that. And the second move, or maybe
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  Speaker 1: it was the first, I can't remember the sequence, but
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  Speaker 1: the signing of Racial Iglesias. The resigning of Racio Iglesias
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  Speaker 1: to a one year, sixteen million dollar contract that is
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  Speaker 1: about the same actually it's exactly the same as he
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  Speaker 1: made in the previous two seasons with the Braves. And
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  Speaker 1: it's an interesting move because if you recall back. At
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  Speaker 1: the deadline, the Braves made some trades, and they could
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  Speaker 1: have traded Aglesias. He was certainly available or at least
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  Speaker 1: a guy that people wanted, and yet they chose to
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  Speaker 1: keep him. And Alexanthopolis addressed this last night with reporters,
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  Speaker 1: and I've often talked about this about how when you
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  Speaker 1: trade a potential free agent, you're kind of severing the relationship,
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  Speaker 1: so to revive it and bring him back. It happens
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  Speaker 1: once in a while. Chapman did it with the Yankees
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  Speaker 1: at one point, but it's pretty rare. So here's the
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  Speaker 1: quote from Anthopolis on that very idea. He said, we
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  Speaker 1: always had intentions to bring Glacias back. I think staying
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  Speaker 1: with the same team makes it easier for that to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes when you cut the cord and people move on
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  Speaker 1: to other places, there's hard feelings. And perhaps this helped
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  Speaker 1: the Braves with their courtship or recourtship of Iglesias and
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  Speaker 1: bring him back, because here is a guy that they kept.
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  Speaker 1: He had a rough start to his season last year.
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  Speaker 1: If you remember first twenty five appearances six point seven
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  Speaker 1: five era last forty five, he had a career high
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  Speaker 1: seventy appearances last forty five one point twenty five VRA
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  Speaker 1: So he is still a really good closer and is
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  Speaker 1: someone obviously that the Braves wanted to target early, did
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  Speaker 1: target early and got done. Yeah right.
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  Speaker 2: Telli Glacias is one of the closers. Can It's an
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  Speaker 2: interesting closer market, is it not. I almost feel like
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  Speaker 2: this year, as far as the closers are concerned, very
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  Speaker 2: reminiscent to what it was like about two or three
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  Speaker 2: years when it was the shortstop bonanza. Is that fair
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  Speaker 2: to say?
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  Speaker 1: It is fair to say a lot. It's a really
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  Speaker 1: good point. Actually, when you look at the closers who
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  Speaker 1: are available, I Meangleciers was just one of them. There
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  Speaker 1: are any number of interesting names out there now. Edwin
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  Speaker 1: Diaz obviously is the biggest of those. I would put
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  Speaker 1: Suarez and Devin Williams in the tier right below Ryan Hellsley.
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  Speaker 1: Despite having some troubles with the Mets three bad weeks,
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  Speaker 1: was tipping and had some other issues. He is very
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  Speaker 1: much in demand because teams love his stuff. Emilio Pangan
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  Speaker 1: successful season for the Reds. Luke Weaver can certainly close.
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  Speaker 1: He is a free agent, and ken Lee Jansen back
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  Speaker 1: for more. So sure, there are plenty of options available.
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  Speaker 1: There are plenty of teams that need closers, and it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see how this all plays
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  Speaker 1: out with that group, and he could happen sooner rather
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  Speaker 1: than later. I'm not saying necessarily today, tomorrow, this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: but before the winter meetings, I would expect one or
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  Speaker 1: two of those guys, if not more, to come off
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  Speaker 1: the board.
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  Speaker 2: I'm ken Devin Williams and the Yankees apparently discussing a
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  Speaker 2: possible reunion. There's a lot of places besides the Bronx
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  Speaker 2: that Devin Williams would be a good fit. In your estimation,
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  Speaker 2: what's the likelihood he goes back to the Bronx.
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  Speaker 1: Probably not likely, but it's interesting that the Yankees still
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  Speaker 1: want him and he had his rocky moments with the Yankees.
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  Speaker 1: Will Salmon of the Athletic Rule a really interesting story
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  Speaker 1: last week about his season and breaking down just where
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  Speaker 1: it went wrong in certain places. Overall, it's still a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good year for Devin Williams. He's still a guy
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  Speaker 1: who will get you a ton a ton of swing
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  Speaker 1: and miss. So for the Yankees to contact him and
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  Speaker 1: get back in touch, that is notable. Will he end
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  Speaker 1: up there? I don't know. It's going to be really
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  Speaker 1: interesting to see how this all, as I said, shakes out.
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  Speaker 1: He is someone that the Mets, like, the Dodgers, like
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  Speaker 1: a number of teams have identified as a potential target.
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  Speaker 2: Mauricio Dubon interesting with the Houston Astros, Ken, this is
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  Speaker 2: a guy that was a really good utility player. Obviously
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  Speaker 2: he's tremendous defensively. The Houston Astros have elected to send
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  Speaker 2: him to Atlanta. What do you make of that deal?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's Chandler rome of Astro's territory, if that's what
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  Speaker 1: it's called or whatever. That okay, And he wrote and
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  Speaker 1: reported last night this was a cost cutting move. Duban
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  Speaker 1: is projected to make about five to eight in arbitration
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  Speaker 1: five point eight million. The player that the Astros got back,
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  Speaker 1: Nick Allen, is around a million. So the Astros are,
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  Speaker 1: as Chandler reports here, wanting to stay under the luxury
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  Speaker 1: tax this winner, but they intend to add at least
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  Speaker 1: one starter and perhaps a left handed hitter. So doing
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  Speaker 1: both of those things requires payroll shuffling, as Chandler said,
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  Speaker 1: and here is Duban being the latest example of that.
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  Speaker 1: I like Dubon as a player. He's a two time
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  Speaker 1: utility Goal Glove winner and also he is known as
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  Speaker 1: a great teammate. He was part of the glue in
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  Speaker 1: that clubhouse in Houston. He'll will serve I would expect
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  Speaker 1: the same role in Atlanta. Will he be their shortstop?
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  Speaker 1: That's the big question. Now. I mentioned Alex Anthopolis likes
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  Speaker 1: to strike early. The guy he wants is Hashan Kim.
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  Speaker 1: He took him from Tampa Bay for the final month,
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  Speaker 1: tried to get acquainted with him. But of course free
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  Speaker 1: agency is free agency, and Kim and his agent, Scott
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  Speaker 1: Boris are going to go with their own pace, explore
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  Speaker 1: the market and not necessarily sign with any team quickly.
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  Speaker 1: But at least now, what Anthopolis has done is raise
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  Speaker 1: the floor at that position. They have someone who can
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  Speaker 1: play shortstop. They've got Vidal Bruhan as well, and Brett
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  Speaker 1: Wisely they can fill in. So if they do not
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  Speaker 1: end up with Kim, well, okay, they'll be in at
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  Speaker 1: least a decent position. And the problem in shortstop right
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  Speaker 1: now is the shortage of quality players available. Most teams
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  Speaker 1: do not view Bobashett as a shortstop anymore. They believe
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  Speaker 1: he belongs at second or third base, and then the
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  Speaker 1: question becomes, okay, can you live with less? And as
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  Speaker 1: I wrote today in our notes column with Will Salmon,
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  Speaker 1: five playoff teams from last year the Seattle Mariners, the Yankees, Milwaukee, Cleveland,
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  Speaker 1: and Detroit. They were in the bottom ten in the
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  Speaker 1: sport in f WOUR and they made the playoffs. And
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  Speaker 1: the Toronto Blue Jays had Andres Jimenez for the last
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  Speaker 1: month and into the playoffs when Bobaschet got hurt. Now
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  Speaker 1: him and it has had a great alcs but before
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  Speaker 1: that he was one of the worst offensive players in
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  Speaker 1: the league. So if you have someone who can catch
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  Speaker 1: the ball and give you adequate performance defensively, you can
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  Speaker 1: still make the playoffs. The Braves have enough guys who
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  Speaker 1: should have comeback seasons to be a really good team again,
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  Speaker 1: but they've still got work to do. One more starter
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  Speaker 1: bullpen help as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to be an amazing a team
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  Speaker 2: with an amazing shortstop anymore to win the World Series,
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  Speaker 2: which is very different, or at least go to the postseason. Rather,
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  Speaker 2: it would be very different than it was just a
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  Speaker 2: Rosent about the Angels and the Orioles. I remember when
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: Grayson Rodriguez was coming up, the hype that was associated
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  Speaker 2: with him. Well, he is now an angel. The Los
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  Speaker 2: Angeles Angels acquire Grayson Rodriguez. He's actually coming on FT
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  Speaker 2: on Friday, by the way, in exchange for a good
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  Speaker 2: player in Taylor Ward. What do you make of this?
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  Speaker 1: It's a fascinating trade of Lona and a stunner too.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people are critical of the Orioles for this,
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  Speaker 1: and understandably so. It's four years of Grayson Rodriguez for
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  Speaker 1: one year of Taylor Ward. A couple of things to
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  Speaker 1: keep in mind, and I wrote all about this today
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  Speaker 1: in my Notes Calm. The Orioles badly needed a right
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  Speaker 1: handed hitting outfielder. There are very few available. It was
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  Speaker 1: really Taylor Ward, Joe Adell, maybe a few others, but
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  Speaker 1: no one of that great magnitude. So they obviously were
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  Speaker 1: willing to pay a high price for a guy who
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  Speaker 1: is entering his walk gear. That is something that you
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  Speaker 1: don't see very often, trading a controllable picture for rental hitter.
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  Speaker 1: Grayson Rodriguez is an extremely talented pitcher and was one
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  Speaker 1: of the game's top prospects, as you mentioned when he
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  Speaker 1: came into the league. The problem has been he's been hurt,
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  Speaker 1: hasn't pitched in any game at all since July thirty first,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. As I wrote, there was some frustration
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  Speaker 1: on his part, some frustration on the Orioles part, and
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  Speaker 1: perhaps it was just best for a change of scenery.
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  Speaker 1: We will see how this all plays out. If, as
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  Speaker 1: it appears, the Orioles suspect Grayson Rodriguez is not going
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  Speaker 1: to be healthy anytime soon, or maybe not healthy ever,
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  Speaker 1: then obviously it's a trade that will work for them.
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  Speaker 1: If Grayson Rodriguez, even while having a restricted workload in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, assuming he's healthy, eventually becomes the pitcher
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  Speaker 1: that the Orioles envision, the picture that he flashed at
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  Speaker 1: times in his Baltimore tenure. Well, then you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: an absolute steal. The Orioles are one of the most
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  Speaker 1: fascinating teams right now. As I quoted an Ale execut
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  Speaker 1: in this column today, they are a team that is
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  Speaker 1: going for it, and Michaelias very aggressive as their president
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  Speaker 1: of baseball operations. He wants to do some things. Perhaps
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  Speaker 1: he is concerned for his job security. Perhaps he's just
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  Speaker 1: frustrated that after back to back appearances in the playoffs
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  Speaker 1: last year, they finished in last place or this season.
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  Speaker 1: So they're going to be a team to watch. And
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  Speaker 1: as I reported in this story as well, even after
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  Speaker 1: getting Taylorward, and even though they have Tyler O'Neal and
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  Speaker 1: Colton Kowser and they've signed with the Odie Taveries, they're
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  Speaker 1: still looking for outfield help. Perhaps it will be in
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  Speaker 1: center field, and they're still in the mix at least
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  Speaker 1: for Kyle Tucker. Now, if you get Kyle Tucker, you
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  Speaker 1: make some trades and you figure it out and you
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  Speaker 1: don't worry about any potential surplus. You just do it.
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  Speaker 1: But he was a guy that was drafted by Mike Elias.
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  Speaker 1: Executives often have attachments to players that they draft. I
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  Speaker 1: don't expect the Oriols are going to get Tucker. They
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  Speaker 1: need pitching. We all know that they need a big
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  Speaker 1: time starter to go with Bradish and Trevor Rodgers, and
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  Speaker 1: they also need a closer and additional bullpen help even
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  Speaker 1: after trading for Kittridge. So I don't expect them to
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  Speaker 1: be there, but the fact that they're not ruling it
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  Speaker 1: out is interesting to me.
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  Speaker 2: Ken When you talk about Kyle Tucker, he's likely going
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  Speaker 2: to come with a very hefty price tag. You said
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  Speaker 2: that the Orioles need starting pitching. Would Michael Lias, that
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  Speaker 2: front office and that ownership group give Kyle Tucker the
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  Speaker 2: type of money that he's demanding. Are they prone to
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  Speaker 2: do those types of things?
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  Speaker 1: They're not prone, Alana, And that's a great point. However,
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  Speaker 1: their owner, David Rubinstein has said the money is available,
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  Speaker 1: and now I didn't say it was available for Tucker
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  Speaker 1: per se. He just said they have money to spend.
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  Speaker 1: It would be out of character for Elias. It would
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  Speaker 1: be out of character for the Orioles. But we have
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  Speaker 1: seen with San Diego, a team from a smaller market
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  Speaker 1: make statements like this. Now it's worked for San Diego
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  Speaker 1: to a very real degree. They haven't won a World Series,
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  Speaker 1: I know, but they've electrified the market. They've been in
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs, they've been really good. Are the Orioles thinking
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  Speaker 1: the same way? I would be surprised because the revenues
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  Speaker 1: are down like San Diegos are, and they're later on
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  Speaker 1: Peter Sideler basically said, I'm doing this even though our
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  Speaker 1: revenues don't support it. I don't expect the Oriols to
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  Speaker 1: be at that level, but I do expect them to
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  Speaker 1: spend this offseason. And remember last winter Corbyn burns, they
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  Speaker 1: made him an offer one hundred and eighty million for
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  Speaker 1: four years. Now, Tucker's probably going to cost twice that.
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  Speaker 1: But they have shown that they are willing to do
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  Speaker 1: something big. So even if they don't do Tucker, can
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: they get fromer Valdez for whatever it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: one sixty one seventy or Dylan Cees or Suarez one
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  Speaker 1: of those guys. Yeah, I think that's possible.
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  Speaker 2: Hm interesting to see. This might be go harder go
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  Speaker 2: home for Michael Layas a lot of folks think perhaps
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  Speaker 2: he might be on the hot seat depending upon what
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  Speaker 2: the Orioles do in the twenty twenty six season. Much
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: more to come on Fair to Territory with Ken Rosenthal
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  Speaker 2: on this Thursday. Get those questions in for Grill and Ken.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to fair territory. Time to get
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  Speaker 2: these questions in for Ken Rosenthal. The first one is
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  Speaker 2: in regards to left handed hitting Ken Ryan Sprouse seventy
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  Speaker 2: four to fourteen. What impact does the glut of left
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: handed hitting outfielders have on the trade market for Alec
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  Speaker 2: Thomas and Jake McCarthy.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't make it more difficult for the Diamondbacks, at
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  Speaker 1: least early on maybe to move one of those guys.
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  Speaker 1: And it's going to be really something to follow here
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  Speaker 1: what the Diamondbacks do in centerfield. Those two players, Jake
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  Speaker 1: McCarthy and Alec Thomas are players who can obviously play
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  Speaker 1: centerfield and have played center field for the Diamondbacks. But
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks do have something of a duplication and a
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  Speaker 1: surplus in the outfield. And most interestingly, they're playing Jordan
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  Speaker 1: Lawler in center in winter ball, or at least he
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  Speaker 1: had been playing center in winter ball, So if he
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  Speaker 1: is going to be the guy they commit to, and
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: they do want to get Jordan Lawler established as a Diamondback,
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  Speaker 1: He's not going to be the shortstop. With Perdomo there,
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  Speaker 1: then maybe it becomes more likely they are willing to
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  Speaker 1: move one of those guys. They are willing, there's no
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  Speaker 1: question about that. The question becomes timing and do they
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  Speaker 1: need to wait for the free agent dust to settle
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  Speaker 1: with some of the left handed hitting outfielders that are
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  Speaker 1: out there. I don't know that Jake maccarthur or Alec
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  Speaker 1: Thomas interferes with Cody Bellinger and Kyle Tucker. They're not
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  Speaker 1: the same level of player, but maybe those teams that
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: miss out on those guys would be more likely to
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  Speaker 1: take one of them. It would be a huge step
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  Speaker 1: down for either if indeed they miss out on a
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  Speaker 1: Bellinger or a Tucker.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, And the only person that's solidified in
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  Speaker 2: that Diamondbacks outfield is Cordin Carroll. Mike G fifteen has
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  Speaker 2: this question for you, Ken Rosenthal Cubs deed pitching, but
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  Speaker 2: Hoyer did say they need to also improve against lefties.
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  Speaker 2: Any whispers of them targeting a player like Rober Snyder
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  Speaker 2: to platoon and right field with Casey Yeah, keeping a
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  Speaker 2: say a Suzuki as the DH.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, that's a really good thought. And because the Cubs
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  Speaker 1: are breaking in Casey and it's a guy that is
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  Speaker 1: not established yet, you can certainly see a Ref Snyder
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  Speaker 1: appealing to them. Ref Sneider crushes lefties. We know that.
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  Speaker 1: And as I mentioned earlier on the availability of right
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  Speaker 1: handed hitting outfielders is not great. Ref Steiner is actually
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  Speaker 1: one of the better ones available. And he's not really
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  Speaker 1: a regular player. He's a platoon player. So yes, I
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  Speaker 1: can definitely see that particular thing kind of happening with
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: the Cubs. I can see them being interested in Ref
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Schneider in exactly the scenario that you just mentioned.
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  Speaker 2: I love this next question just because I get to say,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: Lars Newtbar, how fun is that name? For a hot second,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Lars Neutbar, it's in regards to him, Ken if you
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: want to bring this up, Pudge Richardson says large, Lars
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  Speaker 2: Nubar seemed to have trade interest prior to his recent surgeries.
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  Speaker 2: Is the interest still there? What are you hear? And
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: would Saint Louis be better off just keeping him?
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  Speaker 1: Saint Louis is open for business, and they're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about Sonny Gray. They're going to talk about Arnatto.
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  Speaker 1: They want to move those guys. They also have a
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  Speaker 1: glut of left handed hitting options, and Nutbar is one
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: of them. Brendan Donovan is another. They have some others
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  Speaker 1: as well. Newbar's value is down a bit because of
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: the injuries and the surgeries and all of that. I
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: don't know that it's the right time to move him.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: But with Heim Bloom now running the Cardinals, they're gonna
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: listen on everything. They're going to be in on everything
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  Speaker 1: as far as players that teams have interest in. So
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect exactly, but I do
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: expect them, whether it's Gorman or Nutbar, Donovan someone else,
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  Speaker 1: I do expect them to trade at least one of
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  Speaker 1: their left handed hittings hitters.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, next question regarding the Texas Rangers, specifically Ken Rosenthal
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Josh Young. Let's see, I think this might be our
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: last question. Ricky Shaef fifty seven to fifty eight has
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: this to say, Hey, can there is talk that Young
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: from Texas is definitely available, perfect fit for Milwaukee. What
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: say you?
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  Speaker 1: I like the idea and I am a Josh Young fan.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: When he was first coming into the league, he made
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: a huge impact and then for whatever reason, it has
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: not continued there. And I don't know what the problem
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: is there in Texas with Young and why they seem
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: to have soured on him a little bit and why
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: he's gone backwards, And it seems to me we talked
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: about Grayson Rodriguez as a change of scenery, guy Josh
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Young might be the same type. And yes, for Milwaukee
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: relatively low salary, it would be an the kind of
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: addition that they probably should be looking at.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, and with Brandon Woodruff coming back, even less
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: to spend on other players. Ken Rosenthal, all right, thanks
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: for the questions you guys, We appreciate it very much.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Coming up, Ken and I are going to discuss our
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: dude and Dork of the Week after these messages from
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  Speaker 2: Dude, dude, dude, all right? Time now for dude and
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: dork of the week. Can you have honors on your dude?
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: All right? It's Josh Naylor and it's also the Mariners,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: both of them for coming together on a deal that
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: made all the sense in the world once the season ended.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Even before that, as much of an impact as he
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: had on that team, free agency in baseball tends to drag.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: We know that. And yet when you have a player
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: and a team that want to continue their relationship, it
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: should happen. It should happen quickly, and it happened quickly
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: with these two parties, Nayler signing a five year, ninety
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: two and a half million dollar deal with the Mariners,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: a deal that most people considered fair for both sides.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: It's eighteen and a half million free each year for
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: a guy who is still only twenty nine. That's where
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the five years comes in. So good for the Mariners,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: good for Naylor. They both decided they wanted to continue
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: being together and they got it done quickly.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: And also, Ken, and tell me if I'm wrong on this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Seattle's not the easiest place in the world
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to hit, so Naylor could have gone other places. So
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: for a position player to want to be someplace in
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: a park that doesn't necessarily lend itself to position players,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: that says something too about the atmosphere and how good
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: he felt there.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and the president of baseball operations in Seattle, Jerry Depoto,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: said one of the things that struck him about Naylor
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: right away when they acquired him in that trade from
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Arizona was Naylor's saying, I'm not worried about the ballpark.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I like hitting here, So he was not afraid. He
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: obviously succeeded there. This is a guy We've talked about
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: him a lot. He has a lot of savvy for
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: a player. He has great instincts on the field, and
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: he is also someone who plays with a certain edge
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and brings that to his team. He's not the most
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: garrulous guy with the media, but in the clubhouse, very
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: much respected and in some ways beloved.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: You know who else is very much respected and beloved
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: in that Mariner's clubhouse, Ken Rosetal, Well, I'm going to
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: tell you because my dude of the week is not
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: a biped, it's a quadruped, and that's Tucker, the Mariner's dog.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Josh Naylor said that one of the reasons that he
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: signed with the Seattle Mariners for that extension was not
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  Speaker 2: only because of the amount of love that he felt,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: but because of Tucker. Tucker rolls that clubhouse. Ken Rosenthal,
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  Speaker 2: you know that better than anybody. And I'm telling you what.
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  Speaker 2: Tucker was a big reason that Naylor is in Seattle
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  Speaker 2: at least for the next five years. He's such a
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: good boy.
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  Speaker 1: Good choice. Alta, I like it. Yes, I have seen
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Tucker rolling the clubhouse. It is quite a sight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime there's a dog involved, I am in. All right,
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  Speaker 2: it is time now for the dork of the week.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Ken, who do you have this week?
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna ruffle some feathers here, perhaps Alana,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: but I'm going with all the people who are complaining
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: about East Coast bias helping determine the American League MVP vote. No,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: that is not what happened here. I've talked about this before.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: And when voters vote now, they have plenty of information,
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  Speaker 1: and they've seen cal Raley as much as they've seen
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Aaron Judge. And if they haven't seen him as much,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: they certainly have access to the information about what he
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: has done. And a lot was written about cal Raley
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and what he has done. And if you saw, there
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: was a tweet from Greg John's retired Mariners baseball writer,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: and he said bum that cal Raley didn't win al VMVP.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: But this wasn't an East Coast bias thing. Of the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: ten Al East voters five to five split between Raleigh
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and Judge Al West. Also a five to five split
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: difference came from Ale Central voters seven to three for Judge. Hello,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: there it is now. I will say this. Not every
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: voter lives in the same spot where he's voting, for instance,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: or she I am in the Baltimore chapter. Still, that
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: is where I started, even though I have not lived
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: in Baltimore for quite some time. The reason for that
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: is there would not be enough voters in the Baltimore
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: chapter to choose from. So they kept me there. The
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: BBWAA did that said still, it's just not a bias thing.
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  Speaker 1: Does Aaron Judge get more publicity than cal Rawley, No question.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Does it influence the people who are voting, No, it
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  Speaker 1: does not stop it with that Dorks of the Week,
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  Speaker 1: all of you.
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  Speaker 2: That's great. I don't need anything else. I don't even
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: need to do it door of the Dorks of the Week,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: all of you. You heard it from Ken Rosenthal talk
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: about that left handed reliever market. Ken Rosenthal, it feels
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: like it'll be at a premium.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yankee struck an early signing with Ryan Yarborough. What do
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: you make of that and how do you see this
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: playing out in terms of the left handed bullpen arms.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Yarborough was a successful swingman for the Yankees last year,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: if you remember, he started for a while before he
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: got hurt and did well. He is a guy that
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: is valuable to any staff, kind of like Eric Lauer
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: who replaced him in Toronto. So I don't necessarily consider
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: him part of the left handed relief market, but it
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: is going to be something to watch here because left
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: handed relievers are always in demand. Matt Gelbo of The
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Athletic has reported that Matt Strom of the Phillies, a
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: quality left handed reliever, could be someone who is traded
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: in the weeks ahead. Now, we talked about the closers
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: in the first segment and how there's going to be
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of action on them. I believe all of
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: them are right handed, so we're talking mostly about setup types.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: But yes, a lot. And these guys are always players
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: who do fairly well in free agency considering their specialists.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, there was a somebody was talking about it in
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: terms of their white Whale interview. Ken was the Mannings
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: on the Manning cast, So Peyton and Eli Manning were
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: talking about it, and Eli's was basically every defensive back
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: that picked off Peyton or something that's who he wanted
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: on his on his white whale list. Do you, Ken Rosenthal,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: who has had thousands and thousands of interviews, is there
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: somebody that you would love to have a conversation with.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: In baseball? I don't know that there's anybody. I've talked
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: to pretty much everybody, and guys like Eddie Murray and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Albert Bell didn't talk. But because they didn't talk and
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: their careers are over. I'm not so interested in talking
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: to them anymore as I once was. But when you
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: look outside of baseball, I'm a big Bruce Springsteen fan,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: as a lot of members of the BBWA R. It's
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: a running joke among the younger writers. Okay, but I've
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: always thought, do I really want to meet him? Do
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: you want to meet you a hero? Because sometimes it's
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: disappointing you always hear, oh, he's a great guy. Maybe
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: he is, but that would be someone I'd like to
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: ask a lot of questions to. I'm not sure i'd
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: want to do it necessarily in purpose, And maybe that
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: would be what I'd like to do on Zoom Yeah.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Or maybe you can just like go out to dinner
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: with them and just have it more of a you know,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: a free casual Conversation's what's the one? If you only
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: had one question for the boss? What do you think
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: it would be?
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Actually, I'm not sure. I don't know. I've got a lot.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: One would be on the dynamic ticket pricing that he
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: went to two years ago upset a lot of people,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: and the guy that's got a lot of money, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: what would be the logic for that? He didn't have
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to do that. That would be one, and that's really
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: not been asked of him because he doesn't do many interviews,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: so that would be one for sure.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, mine is also outside of baseball, but it's with
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: an artist that also has a lot of baseball ties.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: It is not Bruce Springsteen, but it is Morgan Wallen,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: and the reason being is because not only am I
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: obsessed with his music and will follow him anywhere, even
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: though that's a little odd, I'm not the only one,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: by the way, and yes, I will be in Gainesville
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: next year for that concert. He is a big, big
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: baseball fan. Ken he grew up playing baseball, blew out
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: his arm, was not able to play anymore. Pursued music.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Obviously it's worked out for him, but he has a
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: great song called the ninety eight Braves. John Smoltz is
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: actually in one of his videos for the ninety eight
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Braves talking about losing to the San Diego Padres. He
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: has a lot of baseball references in his music and
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  Speaker 2: I'm I just love his stuff. There's not a song
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: out there that Morgan Wallen sings that I don't enjoy.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: So that would be my white Whale interview if anybody
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: out there would like to help me with Morgan Wallen
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and help Ken with Bruce Springsteen. We'd appreciate that very much.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna do it here for Fair Territory,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Don't forget. Foul Territory is next. Some really good guests
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: today on Foul Territory, of course, So who is it?
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Todd Fraser, Aeric Kratz, Scott bron They're going to welcome
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Trek Scooble, have you heard of him, Jake Berger of
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: course of the Rangers, and Robert Murray Dodger's Territory with
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: myself and Clint Passias. Follows that, we're gonna have Baseball
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: America's Josh Norris and he's going to join the show.
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  Speaker 1: Ken, Great sounds, great good lineup today.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: All right, guys, don't forget. Fair Territory returns Monday at
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: ten a m. Eastern with Ken Rosenthal. Have a great week, everybody,