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  Speaker 2: But high school was like a good time for me.
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  Speaker 2: With because Evan on Catch twenty two, you make a
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  Speaker 5: love chocolate?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah?
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  Speaker 2: an off season episode of Patriots Unfiltered. Uh so, I've
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  Speaker 2: got something I want to talk about, Patriots related that
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  Speaker 2: we'll get to in a second. But it's seven, it's Paul,
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  Speaker 2: it's Deuce, it's me, and we're team Brunt today. Look
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  Speaker 2: at us, it looks like we're prisoners. Like we just
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  Speaker 2: got out on release, full work, release as new.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: I was going first, but then Fred was, and then
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  Speaker 4: you were like, well I'm going, and then Evid's like,
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  Speaker 6: I came down with them and I was like, well, okay,
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  Speaker 6: I guess we're wearing them today.
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  Speaker 2: We're doing it. We're team Brunt.
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  Speaker 3: They're very comfortable. I actually really I want to thank
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  Speaker 3: them for the boots as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I even have my boots on. I got my
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  Speaker 2: boots on, So thank you Brunch for the gear. And
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  Speaker 2: we're happy with well, we're happy to wear anything free
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  Speaker 2: that people send us.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, the boots are so nice. I don't I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if I can. I'm going to really have
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  Speaker 4: to suck it up to move my lawn on them.
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  Speaker 4: I want to take care of that.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm going to actually get the other boots
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  Speaker 2: from them. You know, traditional work boots. But aren't you
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  Speaker 2: going to.
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  Speaker 4: Feel bad, like you know, the grass clippings and well,
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  Speaker 4: that's why.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get that's when i's that's why I
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  Speaker 2: want to get traditional work boots from them. They have
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  Speaker 2: the Marron the style you.
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  Speaker 4: Need, like the steel toe, and I don't need steel toe.
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  Speaker 7: But do you play use you like when you do work,
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  Speaker 7: you put work boots on.
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  Speaker 8: No.
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  Speaker 2: I have what they call muck boots. They're almost like
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  Speaker 2: rubber boots, but they're like shoes, not they're not boots,
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  Speaker 2: and they're just waterproof. Yeah, you know for yard work,
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  Speaker 2: for yard work really, Yeah, I get down a dirty pole.
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  Speaker 7: I have a pair of sneakers that I would never
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  Speaker 7: I don't wear anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I'm all green, I'm weating, I'm watering. I'm just I'm
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  Speaker 2: doing a bunch of stuff. Don't don't you get wet?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you don't want sneakers?
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  Speaker 7: Why forget?
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  Speaker 2: What am I doing?
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  Speaker 7: Why am I?
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  Speaker 2: Like? So you're not doing stuff but yard work?
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  Speaker 7: What are you doing yard work that you're you're soaking wet?
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm out there in the rain. Sometimes I'm in
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  Speaker 2: the mud weating, I'm watering with a hose, I'm doing stuff.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you're not obligated to actually do the yard
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  Speaker 6: work while it's raining. You can pick a time where
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  Speaker 6: maybe it's not.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's actually when the ground's moist and loose. It's
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  Speaker 2: the best time to weed. You get this stuff right up.
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  Speaker 2: You'll see gloves.
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  Speaker 7: You pull those weeds. It's moist and loose.
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  Speaker 6: Well, listen, it depends on what you hate. But anyway,
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  Speaker 6: all right, I did almost. I was telling you as
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  Speaker 6: we were coming back, I almost sent you a photo
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  Speaker 6: of when I fin cutting my grass, just to show
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  Speaker 6: you your patch how small it is.
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  Speaker 7: I did.
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  Speaker 6: I was, I like the guy who sent me the
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  Speaker 6: offensive Lineman video Paul cutting his grass, always getting the work.
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  Speaker 2: I think, I think what you should do with that
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  Speaker 2: patch is painted blue. Make it like the Blue Square
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  Speaker 2: for those to Kraft would love that. What are you
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  Speaker 2: looking at? Bugs? All right? All right? So you know,
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  Speaker 2: as you know, I have a long commute and sometimes
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  Speaker 2: I often think about, you know, Patriots related stuff, and
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking, with the free agents that we brought in,
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  Speaker 2: we've We've always said in the past, and it's true.
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  Speaker 2: History will bear us out that when you bring in
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of free agents all at once, rarely do
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  Speaker 2: every one of them work out. You know, you're lucky
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  Speaker 2: if half of them become regular contributors positively to the team.
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  Speaker 2: But I was thinking, you know, in the case where
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  Speaker 2: you have an new coach and now everybody on the
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  Speaker 2: team is kind of learning at the same speed instead
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  Speaker 2: of like a few years ago when we brought in
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  Speaker 2: we had a lot of veterans learning, you know that
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  Speaker 2: already knew everything, and then you bring in a hunter
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  Speaker 2: Henry and they're trying to get up to speed with
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  Speaker 2: the people. In this case, everybody's on the same page
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  Speaker 2: because Rabel's new and it's all the staff is new.
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  Speaker 2: I agree, and I think that might be an advantage
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  Speaker 2: for these free agents, like they don't have to catch up.
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  Speaker 2: Everything's being installed with them at the same speed as
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  Speaker 2: the people who were here before because it's new to everybody.
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  Speaker 2: So is that an advantage?
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  Speaker 3: Some of them were more familiar. Harol Landry is more
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  Speaker 3: familiar with what they're doing than the guys that were here.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, a guy like him, sure, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And there's probably know Spallane was in Vegas with McDaniels,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, there's a lot of familiarity with groups.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that's a neutral or is it a negative?
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  Speaker 2: Or is it an advantage this year to have everybody
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  Speaker 2: learning at the same be and at the same time.
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  Speaker 4: I think I got to talk it out a little
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  Speaker 4: bit because I'm not here the areet. I would look
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  Speaker 4: back at twenty one and say, do you think the
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  Speaker 4: reason that some of those players didn't work out was
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  Speaker 4: because they were trying to assimilate into Bill Belle.
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  Speaker 7: That would be my pushback.
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 6: I can't argue with anything that Fred said about it
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  Speaker 6: being an advantage because it probably is that they're not
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  Speaker 6: behind everybody else. They're all sort of on a level
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  Speaker 6: playing field and everyone's right. There is even some that
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  Speaker 6: are ahead of the game because they know Mike's stuff
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  Speaker 6: a little bit. So I can't argue with Fred's overall premise.
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  Speaker 6: I would just say that in my view of free agency,
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  Speaker 6: I don't think a lot of people don't work out
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  Speaker 6: in free agency because they can't pick up the system.
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  Speaker 6: I think there are probably a variety of reasons. Most
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  Speaker 6: of them, in my view, have to do with, well,
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  Speaker 6: guys cash in and get a nice paycheck and they
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  Speaker 6: no longer as motivated as maybe they once.
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  Speaker 2: Were, or they were available because they're not that good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know. I was just thinking about it.
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  Speaker 4: It's just it just I think it's a little more
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  Speaker 4: chaotic in because some of the players that have been
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  Speaker 4: here there's no guarantee that they're gonna pick up what
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  Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels is throwing down now. So there's some degree
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  Speaker 4: of uncertainty, you know, even with Drake May, what's that
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  Speaker 4: going to look like? We saw progress in the summer
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  Speaker 4: or say the spring, but it all has to come together.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure. I'm really not sure, but I think
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  Speaker 5: it's a great point.
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  Speaker 7: And system fits. There's a lot of different.
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  Speaker 5: Look at that Glass in twenty one that they brought out.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Hunter Henry's been solid for them.
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  Speaker 4: John Smith didn't work and even coming in you might
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  Speaker 4: have said, might have been a little more excited about
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  Speaker 4: Johnny Smith, just like the ceiling rasking And that.
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  Speaker 7: Would be an example to me of a system fit.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, because obviously Smith has had some success in the league,
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  Speaker 6: made a terrific year last year. Yeah, I mean so,
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  Speaker 6: I mean it's not like you couldn't play. I don't
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  Speaker 6: think it was like a laziness factor for him. I
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  Speaker 6: think he probably just didn't fit great in McDaniels in
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots offense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a deuce. I think that there's it's gonna go.
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  Speaker 3: It could go either way for the players that are
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  Speaker 3: also currently here on the roster, which I think is
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  Speaker 3: in question, Like our certain guy guys that fit the
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  Speaker 3: old system now not fits for this system. And does
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  Speaker 3: that mean that they're now replaced by guys that they
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  Speaker 3: brought in the advantage of the guys that they have
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  Speaker 3: that they brought in is that there was a lot
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  Speaker 3: of familiarity with this coaching staff in past stops. I
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  Speaker 3: mentioned Harold Landry is probably the biggest one, but like
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  Speaker 3: mac Collins was in Vegas with Josh McDaniels and had
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  Speaker 3: a good year with the Raiders. A couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 3: Jack Gibbons was with Rabel and Tennessee. You know, there
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  Speaker 3: are a lot of guys like that, and they said
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  Speaker 3: it when they signed a lot of these guys that
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  Speaker 3: you have to have something like That's the only way
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  Speaker 3: you can do this properly is have some familiarity so
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  Speaker 3: that you hopefully avoid a John nu Smith where it's
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  Speaker 3: not a system fit, it's not a fit in what
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  Speaker 3: they want to do offensively, and then you end up
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  Speaker 3: spending a lot of money and it doesn't work out
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  Speaker 3: for both sides.
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  Speaker 4: I think a clear place where it might be interesting
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  Speaker 4: to watch as the offensive line because you have a
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  Speaker 4: lot of different body types, a lot of different strengths
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  Speaker 4: and weaknesses.
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  Speaker 5: And that's a place where How do they.
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  Speaker 2: Want to run the ball?
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  Speaker 4: Do they want to be a zone team and get
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  Speaker 4: guys out in space and take advantage of will Campbell
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  Speaker 4: cold strange their athleticism or do they want to be
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  Speaker 4: a power team and really focus on the Morgan Moses
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  Speaker 4: and then.
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  Speaker 5: Probably a combination of both. How does that all come together.
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  Speaker 4: I think that position might be a really interesting one
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  Speaker 4: to what you're talking about. But I feel somewhat like
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  Speaker 4: you're tossing the pieces up in the air, the pieces
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  Speaker 4: that were here, some of the pieces that were with
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  Speaker 4: coaches previously. You feel confident about that they have a
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  Speaker 4: plan for those guys. But at the same time, someone
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  Speaker 4: like Pop Douglas, we were really curious about him coming
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  Speaker 4: into the spring what he He looks like he's fits
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  Speaker 4: in and it looks like they have a plan for him,
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  Speaker 4: you know. But Kendrick Bourne, I'm not sure. Jalen Polk,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure, Booty, I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 5: All those guys. How is it all going to come together? Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and it'll be interesting, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And it kind of goes back to when we were
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  Speaker 2: watching the first mini camp live outside we were doing
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  Speaker 2: our show and Vrabel had his press conference before practice
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  Speaker 2: and he was talking about bomb war and somebody asked him,
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  Speaker 2: you know, what are he said, you know, he's co enthusiastic,
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  Speaker 2: And it just dawned on me that we know more
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  Speaker 2: than about bar more than maybe Rabel.
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  Speaker 8: Did.
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  Speaker 2: You know so all these well Evan does, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: so all these players they're new to Rabel, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with the exception of like a Landry and and Rabel's
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  Speaker 2: new to.
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  Speaker 7: Them, so like like I like your outside the box
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  Speaker 7: then Freddy, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: That's that part of it's fascinating to me too, because
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  Speaker 3: they're going to be guys from the last couple of
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  Speaker 3: draft classes, especially that we thought the arrow was pointing
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  Speaker 3: one way on that they might not have any use for.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't mean that as a disrespectful thing, but
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  Speaker 3: like they just might not see them as as what
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  Speaker 3: the old regime saw them as. And I think in
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  Speaker 3: the spring, like we saw maybe that with Leyden Robinson,
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  Speaker 3: Like Leyden Robinson, I think a lot of us thought
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  Speaker 3: was going to get the opportunity to start at left guard.
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  Speaker 3: Potentially might still get it, but based off the Spring,
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  Speaker 3: we didn't see him as much as some of the
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  Speaker 3: other So example, you know, are we sure that they
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  Speaker 3: have Freddy Jennings, Yeah, Like you know, Jelani Tavai, you know,
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  Speaker 3: all the guys that we've talked about. Do they see
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  Speaker 3: those players the same way that maybe we do because
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  Speaker 3: they were in different schemes.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a clean slave for everybody. I mean
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  Speaker 2: because even the coaching staff. It's such a wholesale change
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  Speaker 2: this year. You know, there weren't even a lot of
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  Speaker 2: holdovers on the coaching staff, so there's no favorites. Really,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a guy like Poke, there's no attachment to
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  Speaker 2: him because he was my second round pick and you
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  Speaker 2: know he's he's starting fresh with everybody else.
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  Speaker 4: Well, how did you guys see the with Bill from
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  Speaker 4: his first year when he made some changes and then
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  Speaker 4: the second year was really the year he brought in
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  Speaker 4: all those free agents, right, But were there players you
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  Speaker 4: felt like and this is the only real example we
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  Speaker 4: have to go off of players that he held on
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  Speaker 4: to in two thousand that you thought, all right, he's
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  Speaker 4: holding on this guy. He's going to be a part
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  Speaker 4: of it, and then he got into the season and realized, no,
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  Speaker 4: this isn't you know some of these guys that I
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  Speaker 4: maybe gave a chance to play under me or play
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  Speaker 4: my style it didn't quite work out.
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  Speaker 5: Were the guys you know, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean other than the guys they drafted. I think
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  Speaker 2: they he hated everybody.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, the two thousand team, two thousand and two
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  Speaker 6: thousand and one, he over those two off seasons sort
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  Speaker 6: of systematically got rid of a lot of the guys
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  Speaker 6: that he didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Like Malloy and Law of course, Bruce Kip.
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  Speaker 6: There were holdovers like but there were veterans, you know,
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  Speaker 6: I think Bruce Armstrong played one year with Belichick then left.
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  Speaker 7: Chris Slade I don't even think played a year right Belichick.
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  Speaker 7: He you know, he was gone.
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  Speaker 6: So there was some veterans that he clearly didn't have
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  Speaker 6: a long term vision of and he moved on and
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  Speaker 6: he replaced, you know, like a guy like Bruce Armstrong
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  Speaker 6: was thought to be a good leader, you know, maybe
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  Speaker 6: good for the young guys, and so he went out
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  Speaker 6: and he got like Anthony Pleasant and and guys like
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  Speaker 6: that that could be leaders in different position obviously, but
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  Speaker 6: the Bill guys he got his guys from the Jets
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  Speaker 6: brought him here to sort of fill those kinds of roles.
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  Speaker 4: Able to totally make a team over in one offseason
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  Speaker 4: in your image, I think, you know, it lined up
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  Speaker 4: well for him this year that they were able to
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  Speaker 4: bring in a number of guys because they had the
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  Speaker 4: resources to do that. But I think it's a process
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  Speaker 4: getting your team over the first few years. You're probably
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  Speaker 4: situated in a place too. I didn't Bill even say
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  Speaker 4: like it was really like they didn't think the two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and one team was really put together to win
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  Speaker 4: a super Bowl though that was a miracle to it,
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  Speaker 4: but no or four division starts to actually come together.
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  Speaker 4: But there probably are going to be some players on
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  Speaker 4: this Patriots roster this year that maybe aren't their first
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  Speaker 4: choice or maybe they aren't the best fits. But you
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  Speaker 4: can't do everything in one offseason, so we'll see who
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  Speaker 4: those players are.
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  Speaker 2: It's rare, what Bill did you know, especially with a
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  Speaker 2: quarterback who had never started before, you know.
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  Speaker 6: And it's like, you know, to Mike's point, look at
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  Speaker 6: wide receiver. They tried to get some guys, you know,
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  Speaker 6: and the most notably Chris Godwin. Right, that's the one
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  Speaker 6: reportedly that they offered a lot.
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  Speaker 7: Of money to.
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  Speaker 6: So my guess is they didn't necessarily this wasn't their
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  Speaker 6: ideal situation to get Stefan Diggs coming off of twenty
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  Speaker 6: at ACL and having it, you know, to sort of
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  Speaker 6: invest in that.
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  Speaker 7: But you pivot, you do the best you can.
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  Speaker 6: To your point, Mike, you can't just completely remake the
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  Speaker 6: roster exactly the way you want it in one offseason.
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  Speaker 6: Now I think they've done a really good job of it.
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  Speaker 6: And this is why, you know, I keep saying the
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  Speaker 6: same story. People keep asking me when you when you
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  Speaker 6: bump into people, well what do you think? And I
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  Speaker 6: keep saying the same phrase. I think a lot of
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  Speaker 6: the players they signed are better than the players they're
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  Speaker 6: going to be replacing. That should translate to a better team,
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  Speaker 6: a better roster. And that's I mean, let's face it.
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  Speaker 6: We can talk all about schemes, you know, and Evan
• 14:42
  Speaker 6: does it really well. It breaks down a lot of
• 14:45
  Speaker 6: the stuff that they're going to be doing system wise
• 14:47
  Speaker 6: on both sides of the ball. It isn't going to
• 14:50
  Speaker 6: matter a lot if whatever the thirteen or fourteen guys
• 14:54
  Speaker 6: that they signed, if to Fred's point, at least half
• 14:57
  Speaker 6: of them aren't, you know, solid hits, because they need
• 15:00
  Speaker 6: more talent than they had.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: The thought experiment that interests me though, is just if
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: frable Hood come in last year when all those guys
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: were coming up, and we talked about it plenty, but
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: the Duggers, the when us, you know, Paul, you were
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: famously like didn't really have a problem individually resigning any
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: of those guys, but in the total of bringing everybody back.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: And I looked at it.
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: At the time as saying again, like you can't do
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: everything in one off season. You can't just let this
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: giant free agency class walk. You have to be selected.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: But in my mind, how would Rabel have approached that.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: Would he have kind of let everybody walk and try
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: to get his own guys?
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: Just showed you he didn't get rid of everybody, but
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: he got rid of a good amount of people and
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: replaced them with guys that he thought were better, like in.
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: Godshalk kind of move, Like that's a move to me
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: that signals solid player, not really going to fit what
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: we want to do, and we have.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: To for whatever reason. Last year, right from the beginning,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: it seemed like everything they were doing was in catch
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: up mode, from filling out their coaching staf have to
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: filling out their roster. It was all like it seemed
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: like they were hurrying to do everything for whatever reason,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: Like they didn't have the network, they didn't they didn't
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: have the pro scouting. I don't know what the reason was,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: but it seemed like they were taking shortcuts to do
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: everything because they didn't either know what they wanted to
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: do or didn't have the I disagree a.
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: Little, okay, and only that I don't think it. I
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: don't think they try to take a short cut. I
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: think it was a misevaluation, I think, and I don't
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: have anything to back this up. So this is one
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: of those sort of Paul, you know, you can make
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: fun of me about this in two months, and you'll
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: probably be right to do that. I feel they what
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: was it, last year was twenty four, so the twenty
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: three four? The last year of Belichick was twenty three, right, yep.
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: I think if you asked your odd Mayo and the
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: staff that he kept, you know, like the Covington's and
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: the Pellegrinos and those kinds of guys, I think if
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: you gave him truth saying last February, they would say
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: we were better than a four and thirteen team. There's
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: more talent here than four and thirteen. We weren't coached
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: well last year. We had some justsfunctioning the coaching staff
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: last year. That's why we were four and thirteen. That's
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: why we're going to keep some of these guys, because
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: we think that these guys are better than they looked
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: last year.
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: Okay, I think it was a misevaluation could be.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: It could be.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: I have nothing to back that up, yeah, because not
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: like someone has told me behind the scenes that this
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: was all on Bill.
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: No one said that to me. I'm not suggesting it
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: could be because you know, you factor in like I'm
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: judging by their actions.
• 17:32
  Speaker 9: Gerrod Mayo was there, and maybe he was friends with
• 17:36
  Speaker 9: these guys. You know, well clearly on the defensive side
• 17:39
  Speaker 9: of the ball, that's where Gerrod was. He knew that
• 17:41
  Speaker 9: coaching staff more intimately, he knew the players more intimately.
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: He thought that Bill was distracted, and he probably was. Now,
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: you know, with two years of hindsight and these stories
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: are all coming out, he Bill probably was distracted in
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: twenty three. That, you know, just exacerbated a talent issue.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: In my view, I don't think he had a great
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: year of coaching in twenty three. We talked about it
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: at the time. I'm not speaking out of school, no.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: No, it was.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, that was just my thought. I don't
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: know if anyone else has any well.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: On those same last something I was I don't even
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: know why I was thinking about this, because I just
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: think about random Patriots things all the time. But you know,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: with the coaching staff that Garrod put together. Would it
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: have been different, because I think it might have been
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: if he had kept Steve Belichick because they had this
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: great relationship the two of them, where like they had
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: they were kind of co defensive coordinators at the end
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: of Bill and Steve was the play caller and Gerrod
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: was like more the presenter and like, you know, the
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: former player that could say this is the attitude and
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: this is the things we're gonna do, and then you know,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: he hands the defense over to Covington instead, who was
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: also green and also had no experience doing the job.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Well, we were fed that they had this great relationship.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Did they really or was that for show? I don't know.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I mean I saw them together
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: all the time. I mean, so that's that's all.
• 19:02
  Speaker 10: That's all I walking out togeoping around.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: I don't want to make too much of it, like
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: all their best friends, but like the vibe I get.
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: Staff in general, I think Evan's point is valid. The
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: staff was not an ideal situation. They probably didn't get
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: some of the guys they wanted. They probably didn't get
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: some of the guys to stay that they wish.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Did so if he had kept the defensive side of
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: the ball the same with Steve, and Steve was the
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: defensive coordinator and he was calling the plays, and that
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: whole side of the ball was was the same as
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: it was, and I would just say, also, what the
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball.
• 19:34
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: I think where I was coming from with it was
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: like their plan was probably for Bill to set him
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: up a little bit better than he did, right and
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: and have to be more of a peaceful transition of
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: power from Bill to Gerrod, so that there wasn't this
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: entire fallout of the coaching staff and everything like that.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: And I think that was such a big part of
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: last year was that it wasn't just that Gerard was
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: a first year head coach. It was that everybody around
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: him was really kind to not fit for their jobs.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: And so like if you had had Steve at defensive coordinator,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: if you had Bill O'Brien, you know, staying or Josh
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: coming back as the offensive coordinator, it wouldn't it have
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: been different? Because now I just feel like everything that
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: happened last year is completely we throw it out, like
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: that whole draft class from last year, you know. Besides
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: obviously Drake Mayle, like, are any of those guys guaranteed
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: to make the team?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's if there's one thing that Mayo needed,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: it was support, right, and ye had very little well.
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: And one of the things that I've sort of listening
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: to people talk about it, and I think I was
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: guilty of probably underestimating it, but just the importance of
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: the right fits on staffs, and you know, and I
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: told you I think I talked about this late last
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: week on a Thursday show because I had talked to
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: Mike for the yearbook feature and just about the.
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: Dynamics of putting the staff together and stuff.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: And I do think finding guys that can work together
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: and put egos aside and sort of all be pulling
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: in the right direction.
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: I think sometimes we underestimate. I mean, I should just
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: speak for myself.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: I think I underestimated the damage that can happen with
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: division within a coaching staff. And you saw it with
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: that year of just utter dysfunction twenty two and twenty three,
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: with the defensive guys on offense in twenty two, Clem
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: being part time at best as an offensive line coach
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: in twenty three, putting everything on Bill O'Brien's plate to
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: run the entirety of the offense, not just coordinating it,
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: but position group wise.
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: David Andrews was a de facto offensive line coach.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: I'ven really sure Bill O'Brien was Bill's pick anyways, And
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: it just was a.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: Lot of division, I think within the ranks on those
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: two staffs, and I think they can really undermine what
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: you're doing as a head coach.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Yep, when Barth's cheating on you with David Andrews now
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: and that his new podcast, you should ask him a lot.
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: That's a fair point.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I just feel like when you look at the setup
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: that they have now, they just have so much more
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: experience on the coaching staff and everybody has a title
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: that they belong in that role, you know, and you
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: can see that out at practice, like how much more
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: efficient and how much the pace is much faster, And
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: it seems like they're much further along from an installation
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: point of view as well in terms of the scheme
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: from what they were last year, and like to friend's
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: point earlier, like they never were in control of it,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Like they were never ahead of it, they were never
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: in control of it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were always playing catch up.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: And now we just see this, it's just a start.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, I still remember that Mac Jones press conference
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: from twenty two where I remember that day. I mean,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: David Andrews was front center, he came off, he was pissed. Yeah,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: that was to me the start of what exactly are
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: you talking about?
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: Twenty twenty two training camp.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: We had gone through some practices and over and over
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: it seemed like the offense looked pretty clunky, full periods
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: where it was just wide zone, right, wide zone, right,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: wide zone.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: Right, you know, over and over again. And that was
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: when the media glombed onto the wide zone.
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: What did we do?
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: That was the big storyline.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: But there was one in particular practice where it was like,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: at some point, it's got to get better. Right, having
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: watched some training camp practices, I give the offense a
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: little lee way early, and it's it's easier to destroy
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: than create. The defense is coming ready to go, and
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: you know it takes a little while to coordinate an offense,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: but they just couldn't get it going.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: And that was the first time post Josh McDaniels where
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: you felt like there.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Wasn't really a progression like they're not really getting better,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: like how are they going to compete this year?
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: How are they going to score points?
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: And you know, from that year into twenty three and
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: then into last year, it was really just a battle
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: on offense. And not to say that, I feel like, wow,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: we're watching the seven team out there. Disclaimer, I know people,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: hey when we do that, right, but they they look progressing,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: They look like they had a plan.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: It looked like they had a philosophy.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: And when we're in this section of the field, here's
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: something what we want to sprinkle in or you know
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: those kind of things. So I feel in after OTAs,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: But you're always cautious because you know how competitive this
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: league is and if there are any flaws in your team,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: opponents will find a way to exploit them, or injuries
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: will as well.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: Mike always knows that the defense it's easier to destroy
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: than create, because you know, he he doesn't remember those
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: boring twelve and four teams that dominated every training camp practice.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Off Seriously, though, was it right from the get go?
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: Like it was like they were never every year the
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: complete straight years, right, that's complete continuity, And we got
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: sort of back.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: We got so used to that we're like, oh, this
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: is how it's supposed to be.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Even in nineteen they were eighteen and nineteen when it
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: started the offense when declining by their status, it was
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: still I still remember being in Detroit and they were
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: doing like two minutes towards the end of practice, like
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: real competitive stuff, enjoying practices, and Brady was just dicing them.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Like I saw one camp with Brady. Then I saw
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Cam Newton camp.
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: I Cam, you know, I am Jacobe.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: Last year, the Cam.
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Newton camp had hope at the end though, because they
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: started running the quarterback and like they started designing the offense.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: McDaniel started to get in the lab and really design
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: it for Cam because they had that Fox quarterback competition
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: at the beginning that was never a real competition with
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Stidham and stuff. And then once they started doing some
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: of the camera stuff, once they started doing some of
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: the cam stuff, it was like, okay, like I could
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: see where they're headed with this. Now obviously he fell
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: off the rails, but it had hope.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: So, speaking of practice and preparation and the old times
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: across my timeline today came a compilation of games with
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: names and obviously it's Edelman, but he was interviewing Ernie,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien, Patricia, and McDaniel separately, and he broke it
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: up and goes back and forth between the four of them.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: But if you want to dive deep into X and
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: o's and how they practiced and.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: All that stuff, I've listened to them.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: It was really good. It's about forty five minutes. Total
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: good stuff.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Though David really like although he sits down with some
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: of them for like almost two hours and in the
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: full episodes, and the McDaniels one is great now in hindsight,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: because he talks a lot about Drake and how he
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: would use Drake May and now he's actually coaching Drake May.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: So it's a spoiler, Yeah, right, it is. But it
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: is kind of cool to hear him talk about you know,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: he was really big in the podcast at least about
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Drake running and he was like, well, are they going
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: to run him?
• 26:23
  Speaker 11: More?
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Like you know, I probably would like type of thing.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay, the attendants perk up there,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: but yeah, they did a lot of All of them
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: are great, but I would say Patricia was sneaky good.
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: Sneaky good.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: He was really good.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Tricia is a smart guy. Yeah, he's a smart guy.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: He was put in a bad position, whether he volunteered
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: or not. He wasn't supposed to be an offensive coordinator.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I interviewed him for the four Super Bowl Soundofics.
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: He's awesome.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I mean just great, great story, great storyteller, and it's
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: fun to hear these guys finally come out of the woodwork.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Which as fans that twenty years, you want to know
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: what's it like behind the scenes, What kind of game
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: planning and stuff like that are you doing?
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: So I eat all that stuff up.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Were you did you see when they were talking about
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: rams scene which one this was they were talking, well,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: it was in a couple of them. Ernie he talked
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: about it, and I think he might have talked about
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: it with Josh too, about how and this goes back
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to the Colts game where the Colts were just ripping
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: everybody up down the scene and so Clark so the Patriots.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: The Patriots started playing Cover four against that, and then
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Ernie was watching the Manning cast later this is obviously
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: after they retired, and whoever was on the screen, Peyton said,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I hate I hate Cover four. And Ernie was watching
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: like that's why we did it.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: I remember that clip. Yeah, that was a good one
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: from him, and I think that maybe the I mean,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I ate up all of it, and especially the Josh
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: stuff was just awesome. But the Patricia stuff, him talking
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: about how he would make his call sheet for a
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: game on defense, Yeah, was just so cool, Like, you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: to him talking about it and how much he would
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: tinker with it, and like he said that he would
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: go through like ten different drafts. You know, you just
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: constantly up all night tinkering with it and you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: different doing different things. But it was really cool to
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: hear about like the process of how you know, they
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: identify the package the offense is in the the down
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: and distance and the situation, and they have the calls
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: that they would call in that situation, and it's like
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: this whole puzzle is cool.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: So chaotic.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: That was the biggest thing I took from playing football.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: As you watch football growing up, and it seems all
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: very paced and all right, it's second and three. Now,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: let's recoup it.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: And when you're in, when you're in it, it's just.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: On the ground, you get up, you're right. It's like
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: you barely know the situation, you know. Yeah, And it's
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: the same thing for they I know, well.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: I guess you just didn't play hard enough. But you
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: know with Matt like you just see with the coaches
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: like they need to streamline that process.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: So the chaotic nature of it and the speed and
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: the rhythm of the play calling and it's just it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: I imagine they get out of those games and they're like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: what just happened?
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: Well, And that's part of like when you watch how
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: they build the offense in the summers, and you don't
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: always know exactly what they're doing, but you see the
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: groups of plays that they do, it's like, okay, we're
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: gonna you know, you can tell what they're working on there.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: You know, their second in set, you know, second in
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: whatever five to seven yards, and they have a handful
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: of those plays. We're working on second in three here,
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: because that's a whole different parameter, you know. And then
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: they're you know, it's not just we're working on first down,
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: second and third down, it's the down and distance ye
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: comes into it. And you can see when they're working
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: on you know sets, you know, they might have eight
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: or ten plays they're working on that are just like
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: second down plays varying distances.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: And Paul, you would have loved the segment with Ernie
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: talking about analytics and Ernie was saying, like, listen, I
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: use analytics, but it has to make sense because you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: like in the NBA they have the three point analytics.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: That's fine if you have guys who can you know,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: shoot three points, But you can't force that if you
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: guys can't hit three points, because the analytics are only
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: good if they make sense.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Right, you know, he was, I would say, probably a
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: pioneer of football analytics. Now, I don't know if I
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: guess he would, would he say it was analytics, I
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: don't know, but he placing even things like placing value
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: in terms of like grading scales with prospects and stuff
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: like that. You know, they they were all, you know,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: the Bills and Ernie like they're all in the parcels
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I mean in Belichick, like they're all at the beginning
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: of that. Like there truly were trailblazers of all that
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff. And now all these teams are doing
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: things and like a lot of teams still use the
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: parcels scale to grade prospects. It's still the same exact
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: scale that Bill Parcells had basically came up with in
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: the eighties.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: So it was one thing I told Paul after reading
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: the Parcels biography was that a lot of the schematic
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: coaching things and decisions that I think Bill gets a
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: lot of credit for that, Parcels was kind of the
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: trail blazer of, hey, let's change it completely up this week.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: We have to if we want to win this game.
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: Yea.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I think I think Bill's secret was his versatility. Bill
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Belichick was his versatility. He took all these things that
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: he learned or heard of back with, you know, from
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Paul Brown and everything, and mashed it up and became
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: this like versatile you know coach or this coach that
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: based things on game plan and versatility because he had,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: you know, he was able to draw from all of this,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: you know, and then of course he made his own
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: variations on it. But he had this vast encyclopedia in
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: his head that he could draw. Like I always said,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: he could be in oc without a play sheet. He
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even need a play sheet. I'll bet if he
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: were to be in OC.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: In talking to some of the agent highly question, I
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: don't not at his height.
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: Only only if he won the game seven three, which
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: was his goal.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I think, if anything, he was versatile and adaptable.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Like one of the most interesting things to me schematically
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: about the Patriots is just that both of their schemes
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: that Bill used go back to the seventies.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: And you know, when I was watching the eighty five team.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: You look at this three four defense and it's clearly
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: the Fairbanks Bowl of three to four defense. And talking
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: to some of the players and they said, Bill Belichick
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: was around when we were running that, and he's you know,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: he's all, what's that guy doing here? You know, he's
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: here learning That's what That's what Bill did. But interesting,
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, Parcels was here in eighty Like, there's so
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: many roots from that team that go back into the seventies.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people don't even really truly really.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Absolutely was listening to uh Cooper cup was on the
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: podcast recently talking about the McVeigh offense and you know
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: what makes it so great? And he was talking about
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl in twenty eighteen and about how the
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Patriots defended them basically kind of pioneered a defense and
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: it was kind of started with Fangio and actually Matt
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Patricia like during the regular season, but the Page Church
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: just did it at an even better level on the
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: biggest stage. And then that forced McVeigh to then change
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: his offense because they figured out the offense that he
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: was running before, so then he had to add things
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: to change the offense. But that was always like you
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: know friend's point about Bill being so versatile. You know,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: they're them playing man to man against Kansas City for
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: four straight quarters in the ANFC Championship Game and then
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: completely reinventing themselves in two weeks in the Super Bowl
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: to play zone against the Rams and play a totally
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: different branded defense won them the Super Bowl. You know,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: their ability to do that was was second to none.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: And you know they they run the six to one
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: and you know the quarter stuff and yeah, I mean.
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: Great job shot, you know change. I mean it's just unbelievable.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: But like literally.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: McVeigh like went into like a dark place because he
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: was like, oh my, like Bill just figured me out
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: on and like pants me in the Super Bowl. And
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: then they start running you know, more duo and more
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: gap skiing because like they're running, you know, the six
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: guys across the line of scrimmage, so they're trying to
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: get vertical instead of going side to side, and like
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: they just had to completely reinvent themselves because Bill basically
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: gave the blueprint of like this is how you defend this.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Boy.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I just went back to Matt Patricia and I can
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: imagine that play call sheet is so finely tuned, and
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: you don't want to have to think about like to
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: your point, Paulward and second and long like this is
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: these are the plays and you can't you don't have
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: time to think about it. You imagine McVay gets to
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: a point where he's looking at that play card going,
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: uh oh, this stuff I have here does not work,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: you know, and what do you do at that point?
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: You can see some of the challenge that it presents.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Mark and Chatta says Fred. When you mentioned Patricia earlier
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: on the Edelman podcast, you mentioned he was really smart. However,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: you forgot to say that we need to thank him. Please,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: can you do the obligatory Patriots Nation, thank you Matt Patricia.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: This night is true, that's true. Thank you. Matt Patricia
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: disrespected him.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: You know, just thinking about it a little bit, like
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: do you put it a little bit on Sean McVeigh
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: for not being ready for that. I mean team that
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: has been in the Super Bowl the famously in thirty nine,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: they come out in a four three this.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Especially know your opponent, you know, Bill Belichick is gonna you.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: Know, taking Bill into consideration, which the points that you
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: guys made is one thousand percent right because Bill is
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: known for his versatility and.
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: Especially in a Super Bowl.
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: You know, but what kind of offense doesn't have a
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: like I play I can only it only works if
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: I know what they're going to be running.
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: Well, yes, a lot of that goes on McVeigh.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: A lot of it though is you know, they they
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: turned the game into a drop back pass game, and
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Jared Goff just wasn't ready for the for the bright light.
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: It's like, you know at the time, you.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Know, I think Jared Goff now probably would handle it
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: better now that he's more experienced. But same with McVeigh.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Like McVeagh was a really young coach in that Super
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Bowl and he went up against Yoda and he just
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: got dominated.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: And all that I would say is again a thousand
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: percent accurate in Belichick absolutely pants him.
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: Okay, can I go to my my dark negative side.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Sure, of course, that's why you hit.
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: Which people you know in front of I mean, you know,
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: there's a big, big pieces of that offense that didn't play.
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: That's true, like Todd Gurley.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Todd Gurley didn't play, Cooper Cup didn't play.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: There was a big part of what McVeigh had in
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: his holster that he had.
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: To play without. With Bobby Freeze out, Belichick would have
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: been able to deal with that.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: You know, So I'll talk out of both sides of
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: my mouth. I'm gonna I'm gonna give mcveay a little
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: bit of slack, sure, but Belichick would have handled it.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: Belichick was without key pieces and a lot of different
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: big games over the years and was able to adapt
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: and figure out ways McVeigh didn't. And I do think
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: that's largely on McVeigh because you should have known that
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: Belichick wasn't just going to do one thing right right.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: If I was a coach or a scout in that system,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: like you would think someone would have just said, hey,
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: is there a chance that they come out and do
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: something totally different, because that's we have a.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: Huge sample size.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: These guys at that point would have gone to like
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: eight super Bowls, Like, there's a good chance they're going
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: to come out with a total curveball that we have
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: to be ready.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: To handle on.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: And maybe they were to some extent because I think
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: that ran offense it's predicated on staying on time and
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: you know, executing wide zone and then we play the
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: play action.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a whole.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: Progression to what that offense wants to do. So I
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: just would think they'd be a.
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: Little bits Evans Point Golf wasn't ready.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they changed their offense a lot. You know,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: they Stafford is obviously a different kind of quarterback, but
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: they are much more gap, you know, vertical run game. Now,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: they play a lot more empty out of the shotgun,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: and they don't use as much wide zone play action.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: They still have that, but they don't use it as much.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: But you know, because I have to defend my guy,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I or one of my guys. I think I don't
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: know how you could have predicted that they were going
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: to play a six to one, Like, I just don't
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: like that. That's not a regular front that you see
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: very often. It was a really unique thing. The Patriots
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: at the time are really uniquely equipped to play it.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Because of high tower, like in his versatility allowed them
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: to do it. So as much as I like the
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: zone stuff, maybe like they probably could have had an
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: idea that that was. But to come out in a
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: six to one tilt in the Super Bowl and you've
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: never done it before is like that's kind of like
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: all right, you know, but it would have been on
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: my mind though I halftime maybe like you know, call
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: power once.
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: You know, like but yeah, I don't know if you
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: would have landed on that.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: But if I was going against that coach, even knowing
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: what I know is just a guy following the team,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: it's like, be ready because there could be a crazy
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: curveball coming at you, you know, right to start this game.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I can just see Evan he's watching the Super Bowl
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: and he's got his jersey mics and he's like half
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: fights like they're running a six to one.
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: It was.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: It was quite possibly one of the best Super Bowl
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: game plans of all time. And that is not hyperbally.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: How did you feel that when you when you were
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: watching that happen live, Like, did you think that you did?
• 38:42
  Speaker 10: You just block of, Yeah, the impact was going to
• 38:46
  Speaker 10: be a little bit and I think the bigger thing
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: that I that I clocked in the moment was the quarters,
• 38:52
  Speaker 10: Like they were playing quarters, they're playing cover four and
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: they were buzzing, so they were rotating the guy into
• 38:58
  Speaker 10: cover three and they were kind of playing with Goff.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: And McVeigh would communicate with Golf in the headset until
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: they shut the headset off, and he would actually like
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: play quarterback for Golf and you would say, they're in this,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: they're in that, and then the Patriots.
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: Would change the picture on him. You figured out, yeah,
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: the next time and now you change it.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Now you figure it out. And just watching you know,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: mccordy especially and Chung just like play the mind games
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: with Jared. Goff's head was in a pretzel, like you
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: know what, no idea it was, you know, would have.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Been fascinating is both at their heights of their powers.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: To have Belichick coach against Brady, Like how would he
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: try to confuse Brady, you know, other than like rush
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: up the middle and that was kind of that was
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: kind of just kryptonite. But I'm just talking about scheme one,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: you know, twenty one.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I have to go back, and you know,
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: I obviously wrote about the game, but I don't remember
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: exactly what they did. If I want, I want to
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: say they played a lot of I want to say that,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: well it was raining. I want to say they played
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: a lot of double Robber, which is, you know something
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: they did lot more later on in Bill's career. So
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: drop eight double Robbert, So like two robbers sitting at
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: the sticks. Because Brady, they knew what was gonna love
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: throwing in cuts, you know, crossers, slants like things like that.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: That was Brady after one year with a new team
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: and a new offensive corner. I'm talking about Brady having
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: had the same offense in the same offense for a
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: long time in Belichick at the height of it, Like,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: how would that battle, you know, turn out? I think
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: that would have been cool. Eight five five past five
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: hundred is the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot Com. Is
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: the email We're getting a lot of emails. Of course,
• 40:32
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• 40:36
  Speaker 2: with Anthony in Seattle. What's up, Anthony? How those Red Sox?
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Hey?
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: What's up?
• 40:43
  Speaker 12: Brand?
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: What good?
• 40:47
  Speaker 13: Hey?
• 40:48
  Speaker 12: Soh Yeah, I had to call it in today. You
• 40:50
  Speaker 12: got got I love the.
• 40:52
  Speaker 11: The off season topics, and so I got a couple
• 40:55
  Speaker 11: of them that you guys talked a little bit about
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: people saying uh of course instead of you're welcome, and
• 41:02
  Speaker 11: a couple more things. So I got two of them
• 41:03
  Speaker 11: and then I'll get off the I'll get off the phone.
• 41:05
  Speaker 11: But uh, the first one is this one bothered me
• 41:08
  Speaker 11: for a few years, is people that's saying sorry instead
• 41:12
  Speaker 11: of excuse me. Like it's one of those things like
• 41:15
  Speaker 11: I just it doesn't bother me as much these days,
• 41:18
  Speaker 11: but I always hear It's like you're you.
• 41:19
  Speaker 12: Go across paths with somebody in the hallway and you know,
• 41:22
  Speaker 12: you stop, you smile, and they've walked past you, and
• 41:24
  Speaker 12: they just say sorry, and it's like, why why do
• 41:27
  Speaker 12: you apologizing to me? I don't want to apology, just okay.
• 41:30
  Speaker 14: Say excuse me.
• 41:30
  Speaker 12: And it makes me almost like feel bad, like like
• 41:33
  Speaker 12: like how dare you walk past me? So that's one
• 41:36
  Speaker 12: and the other one is, uh, this one.
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: I actually just dealt with yesterday.
• 41:40
  Speaker 12: It's crosswalks.
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: It's crosswalks in general.
• 41:42
  Speaker 12: But when you get when you get to a crosswalk
• 41:44
  Speaker 12: and you stop, you see the pedestrians, so you stop
• 41:47
  Speaker 12: and to let them go. Now normally they just go,
• 41:49
  Speaker 12: but every once in a while, you get the one
• 41:51
  Speaker 12: who he's gonna wave you on. For some reason, he's
• 41:53
  Speaker 12: not ready to cross yet, maybe you're maybe there's no
• 41:56
  Speaker 12: car behind you, so he's like, I'll just let you
• 41:58
  Speaker 12: clear and then.
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: I'll walk whatever.
• 41:59
  Speaker 12: That's fine. I normally I prefer you just go, but okay,
• 42:02
  Speaker 12: you're waving me, I'll just go. What I hate is
• 42:06
  Speaker 12: when you stop for the guy to let him go.
• 42:08
  Speaker 12: He waves me on and lets me go. So I
• 42:10
  Speaker 12: decided to go. And as I'm passing, you're gonna step
• 42:15
  Speaker 12: off the curb and into the street like you're gonna
• 42:17
  Speaker 12: be mister cool. You're gonna cross behind my truck. And
• 42:19
  Speaker 12: by the way, I drive a commercial truck for for
• 42:21
  Speaker 12: a living, so it's all about safety for me. You're
• 42:24
  Speaker 12: gonna frost behind my truck, like within inches. We may
• 42:27
  Speaker 12: think you could reach out and tap the back of
• 42:28
  Speaker 12: my truck, but I don't want my moving vehicle within
• 42:31
  Speaker 12: inches of you. That's why I told you to go.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: If you were gonna not wait, you could have just
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: went fair enough, get off the box.
• 42:40
  Speaker 12: Any cross walks when everybody stopped at the cross walk
• 42:42
  Speaker 12: on one side of the street and the guy on
• 42:45
  Speaker 12: the other side of the street keeps blowing through it
• 42:47
  Speaker 12: so nobody can go.
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: Because people walk.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, good one.
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: That's a good love the amount of thought that went
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: into that. Anthey, that's a good one.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: You can tell he drives a truck for a living
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: now because he's kind of traffic I.
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: Also love the way he's recounting the story. It really
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: it really bothers me and they, you know, and I
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: drive it.
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: You know, I drive a commercial truck. Bly like he
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: gets all like normal, just to explain I drive a
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: commercial truck.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: B And then he goes, hey, man, you're gonna get
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: that close to my truck, like get clearly really bothers him.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I don't blame him. I love that. Oh of course,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Well I saw somebody today.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I'm going up four ninety five and uh this, you know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: uh go four ninety five north and I'm getting up
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: to where the ninety five exits are, so you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: people are starting to merge. Right, this guy's all the
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: way in the left. He merges right in front of
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: a huge truck, like I mean, like a foot in
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: front of him. I'm like, you, imbecile, Like you think
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: these trucks could stop on a dime like a normal
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: car can like wait, wait until he's by you and
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: merge in front of it, like a normal car that
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: has a chance of stopping. Like so this, you know,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: the truck driver obviously hit his horn.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: Just just ridiculous when I see that kind of driving.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Always wondering those the people that are dying in car
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: crashes every day, like the people that cause it, or
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: just even like ninety five.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: From Providence to Boston is a dragstrip.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: I mean there are people Rhode Island plates no offense,
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: matt flying off like you know, weaving through and Rhode
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: Island people are.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: The worst drivers, they really are, and it's because the
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: state's so small. They don't get enough.
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: You're literally called you just.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Walked on my joke. Get out of here. He stepped
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: on my joke. Anyway, all right, Nathan, should I set
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: you up so you can do it again? That's all right,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Nathan's gone, Nathan, Connecticut. What's up Nate?
• 44:38
  Speaker 15: Guys? So I just have a couple of quick things,
• 44:41
  Speaker 15: Well maybe I should say quick.
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: I hope it's going to be quick.
• 44:45
  Speaker 15: My first thing is this is a reoccurring topic, but
• 44:50
  Speaker 15: the walkout song in my opinion, and the Crazy Train
• 44:55
  Speaker 15: is perfect there, there doesn't need to be anything else,
• 44:59
  Speaker 15: perfect delated.
• 45:00
  Speaker 11: I was at the Next News.
• 45:02
  Speaker 15: Game where Drake Nate as first ever actual start. That
• 45:08
  Speaker 15: stuff like fired me up just to see some good football,
• 45:11
  Speaker 15: and I did. I did see good football.
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: Sorry, sorry we disappointed you.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so how old are you, Nate, Nate, how old
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: are you? You're fourteen?
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: Just harm like middle school.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Like, it's surprising to me that at fourteen you're you're
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: cool with sticking with what they're doing. So that's interesting.
• 45:33
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I like very like, I like verys like classic
• 45:36
  Speaker 15: rock music.
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: But I think crazy trains a good walkout.
• 45:39
  Speaker 15: So yeah, it's a great walkout.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: So it was. I think I think it's time for change,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: though I do.
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think you should be exploring all our.
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: I'm going to disagree because okay, well, I like it
• 45:56
  Speaker 8: the way it is.
• 45:57
  Speaker 15: It gives me for the kind of buzz and I
• 45:59
  Speaker 15: like away. I like the way from it goes from
• 46:02
  Speaker 15: over you.
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: It's a crazy training.
• 46:04
  Speaker 15: It's a good transition.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: I like, Nate.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's goods an old soul, so so you're a
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: traditional and because that was so good, you have you
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: wanted to say one other thing?
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: Or is that it's a tough phone. So should I
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: got a flip phone.
• 46:21
  Speaker 15: Or joint practice this year because I went to a
• 46:25
  Speaker 15: joint practice of the people all last year.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Sorry again, Yeah, a lot of bad. The joint practice
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: is during training camp, so you can best of both worlds.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Go go to the joint practice. Your phone stinks, Thanks, Nate,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: You're great. Yeah, Nate's an old soul. He's got a
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: flip phone.
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: As Paul said, Yeah, the phone was that was tough phone.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Patty's in Agam. What's up Patty?
• 46:49
  Speaker 13: Hey, good afternoon.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Everyone, Hey, better phone, Good afternoon.
• 46:53
  Speaker 13: So a little caller on Color Prime and all end
• 46:56
  Speaker 13: with a question. I gotta I'm not doing this because
• 46:59
  Speaker 13: he's the league target, but I got a call out
• 47:01
  Speaker 13: Christian at La. He had said before a couple of
• 47:05
  Speaker 13: times that he's been a fan since nineteen seventy eight, right,
• 47:09
  Speaker 13: And he also said last week that his thirtieth high
• 47:13
  Speaker 13: school reunion was coming up and he was skipping out
• 47:15
  Speaker 13: on it. Now me, I graduated. My thirtieth reunion was
• 47:20
  Speaker 13: last year, and I became a fan of nineteen eighty
• 47:24
  Speaker 13: five at the age of nine years old, So unless
• 47:27
  Speaker 13: like unless he graduated like at twenty seven or twenty eight,
• 47:31
  Speaker 13: which is possible. I'm just saying the mass doesn't add up. Christian,
• 47:34
  Speaker 13: I'm pom focused on it, okay. And my question is,
• 47:39
  Speaker 13: do you guys think I have this thought that possibly
• 47:43
  Speaker 13: I thought before like the OTAs and training camp started
• 47:48
  Speaker 13: or the mini camp started, that Cole's strange might be
• 47:51
  Speaker 13: on the outside looking in because of his injury history
• 47:53
  Speaker 13: and inconsistency. But I really think that he possibly has
• 47:58
  Speaker 13: the inside track and the left guard spot, and I
• 48:00
  Speaker 13: think he is going to get a roster spots just
• 48:02
  Speaker 13: because he does have the versatility to play center. And
• 48:05
  Speaker 13: I know you guys were talking about, you know, him
• 48:08
  Speaker 13: playing both guard spots at the Okas, and I just
• 48:10
  Speaker 13: wanted to get on that.
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: I'll take it off there.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think he does have an inside
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: track at left guy.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: It might be by default, but there's really not right now.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: It's his job to lose. That's how I inside track
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: has dropped to lose. Kind of the same thing.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: But yeah, yep, okay, I might have flipped Layton Robinson
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: and him going in.
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: I've just seen a lot of guys I haven't seen it,
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: just well Tyresse Robinson's yeah right, he got a so.
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: And I don't know what they think.
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: I think this is probably just thrown a lot of
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: bodies out there and seen as many combinations as they can,
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: which I think makes some sense, but it's not I
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: don't know if I would be able to identify a
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: guy who I thought had the inside track based on
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: what I saw in the spring.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Mini camp. It was definitely a lot
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: of cold, strange, but Wes Schweitzer was had his situation,
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: tyros Robinson had his situation, So would that have been
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: different And if one of those guys was participating maybe,
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: But I'd say saying he has the inside track is
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: probably a fair way to put it. But again, it's
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: not a the worst position to have a problem at.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Out of all the positions. It's better, you know, left
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: guard is at least somewhat tolerable. But so one spot
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: where I'm like, I'm not one hundred percent sure they
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: have a true NFL starter at that spot.
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: I would say that if they think he's going to
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: be the starter, then there's value there. Obviously, I'm not
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: sure how much his ability to play a little center,
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: which by the way, did not go well this spring.
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: The snaps were an issue when he was snapping the
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: ball in the spring. That was early in OTAs. But
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: now they you know, they drafted a center. I think
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: they have other options at center. If I would, I
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: would doubt that the deciding factor is going to that's
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: going to play in his favor. And now if they
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: get to an active situation in a game, and maybe
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: you know, Jared Wilson isn't active for a game and
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: Cole Strange is playing left guard and Derek Bradbury goes down,
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: maybe you have City Sow or Tyree's somebody to play guard,
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: but you don't have anybody to play center. Maybe Strange
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: moves over on a pinch, but I'm not necessarily sure
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: that's worth The rosters.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: Think Jared Wilson is a big X factor. He's been
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: rehabbing and getting back into shape. But he could be
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: in the mix there as well. And I think he
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: could be in the mix of center too.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I'm waiting for that. And you know, they'd also gave
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: some opportunities to Kayden Wallace to play guard in the spring,
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: and that was something that a lot of people thought
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: maybe going into the draft that he was eventually going
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: to be a long term guard in the NFL. So
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: maybe between those two guys, like I think there might
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: be a little bit more upside. You kind of know
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: what you have with Cole Strange, but maybe one of
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: those younger players has got a little bit more.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Mike, and Braintree has a problem with the last caller.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: What's up, Mike, Hey, guys, big fan of the show.
• 50:55
  Speaker 16: I love your take on everything, but I got a
• 50:57
  Speaker 16: real problem with that guy that was saying that he
• 51:00
  Speaker 16: lets people go in traffic like pedestrians. Okay, he doesn't
• 51:04
  Speaker 16: understand is that I'm a pedestrian.
• 51:06
  Speaker 8: I'm on the point.
• 51:07
  Speaker 16: I'm letting you go because God forbids a gatorade bottom
• 51:11
  Speaker 16: or something rolls underneath your brake pedal. I'm doomed if
• 51:14
  Speaker 16: I go in front of you. I'm I think that
• 51:16
  Speaker 16: should be my call to make. I think it's okay
• 51:20
  Speaker 16: to let you go. I'm not powery anyway.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: No, he was cool with that. He just he was
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: okay with you letting him go. He just doesn't like it.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: After you let him go, then you immediately walk into
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: traffic right behind him. He doesn't like that.
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not sure why.
• 51:36
  Speaker 16: Timing after time the issue with the traffic. Maybe I
• 51:39
  Speaker 16: see it coming. I know how I can get through
• 51:41
  Speaker 16: this safely without causing anyone to even hitch their brake pedal.
• 51:44
  Speaker 16: I just think that should be the pedestrians call it
• 51:47
  Speaker 16: got me a little round up calling you guys.
• 51:50
  Speaker 17: All right, I like it, Mike, allbuttal as well, Okay,
• 51:54
  Speaker 17: and I will say that that situation, there's the pedestrian
• 51:59
  Speaker 17: cars and they're letting you go, but like I don't
• 52:02
  Speaker 17: want to rush across the street.
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: Just go, just go want I want to, you know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: walk in my face. I'm you know, I'm with him.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: I'm a little late, I've done that.
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: Sure, you just go ahead.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: It is funny though, the communication.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: It's the same thing as like when you pass someone
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: in the hallway or someone's holding the door, that like
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: moment of like I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, Like
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: you know, you don't want them to get mad at you,
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: but you're trying to like communicate, and.
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: I don't, like, I don't want to rush across because
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: now I'm taking up your time. So I feel, you know,
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: pressure you perceived or not to get what if.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: We have mixed signals and you think you're going and
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: I think I'm going and then not.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Dead, Just like yeah, right, all right, you know, all
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  Speaker 19: Let's get into it all right. Tom Brady statue opening traditions.
• 55:21
  Speaker 19: I love the idea of the Tom Brady statue, but
• 55:23
  Speaker 19: aside from the ringing of the lighthouse, we need to
• 55:25
  Speaker 19: have more home game opening traditions. Maybe the players touching
• 55:28
  Speaker 19: a gold statue of Pat the Patriot or Billy Sullivan.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: And walking out of the tunnel. Matthew from Arizona.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: I kind of like the the lighthouse. It's its own,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: like niche thing.
• 55:36
  Speaker 20: I mean, Julett is known for the lighthouse, and I
• 55:39
  Speaker 20: think the bell kind of gives it a good vibe,
• 55:41
  Speaker 20: a good atmosphere.
• 55:42
  Speaker 19: Yeah, I thought it was coulda be a bigger bell.
• 55:44
  Speaker 19: Maybe I would have liked like the horn, you know,
• 55:46
  Speaker 19: maybe the crank horn.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: You don't need a horn, right though, what I was
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: like a fog horn.
• 55:50
  Speaker 19: What I do wish they did is I wish they
• 55:53
  Speaker 19: did a new England style lighthouse, red and white like
• 55:56
  Speaker 19: made it look like an actual lighthouse.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: And also the renderings they may it looked a little bigger.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: I mean it is big.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Although you hate heights when you go up, they keep
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: sending me up there. I mean it's still big.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: But I like the bell. It's just listen. Winning solves everything.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, we've I.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Think there's definitely more energy with a win, and I
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: think that would also entail. Like the bell.
• 56:18
  Speaker 19: We need to we need to get some of the
• 56:19
  Speaker 19: big dogs back. We had Tom, we had von Jovi
• 56:21
  Speaker 19: ringing the bell, but we need Where's big Poppy, Jason Tatum,
• 56:24
  Speaker 19: let's get everybody all right. Thanks Matthew from Arizona walking music.
• 56:31
  Speaker 19: Just another suggestion, JT. Money high low would be good.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: You weren't here. I was with Alex. I said, let's
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: get some Lincoln Park in the mix.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: A little new divide.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, numb slash encore.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: Till the end or in the end, in the end,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: in the end. That's on me.
• 56:46
  Speaker 19: Sorryret here, Yeah, yeah, all right, I'm like in trouble
• 56:51
  Speaker 19: for this one. Papa bona dude made to make a
• 56:54
  Speaker 19: guest feel at ease comfortable. They tell people, hey, come on,
• 56:57
  Speaker 19: come on in and sit down. Papa, I'm not gonna
• 56:59
  Speaker 19: say it again, so relax it away and make yourself
• 57:01
  Speaker 19: a home.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: No pressure.
• 57:02
  Speaker 19: So I assume that's something in relation to the show
• 57:04
  Speaker 19: that was from Dinner Plates. You know, I guess Fredie
• 57:08
  Speaker 19: he kind of rushes out some of the guests and stuff.
• 57:10
  Speaker 19: So he comes sit down, spot one, sit your touchdown, relaxing.
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: All right?
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: What else we got?
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Who's a long one? High school dating? And Tom Brady?
• 57:23
  Speaker 19: Good APU crew, Your reflections on your high school years
• 57:26
  Speaker 19: were very illuminating. Fred apparently dated then dumped dancing a
• 57:30
  Speaker 19: lane from Seinfeld. Duce could have dated Willy Wonka's daughter
• 57:33
  Speaker 19: but didn't. Matt mentioned he got dragged from school by
• 57:36
  Speaker 19: his mom or dragged from school by his mom, but
• 57:38
  Speaker 19: didn't say what the incident was. Given Matt's chosen career
• 57:41
  Speaker 19: and the Marines, did it involve certain skills for that
• 57:44
  Speaker 19: future service man.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: I'll let you answer that one.
• 57:47
  Speaker 19: Regarding the call about Brady not being Brady until three
• 57:50
  Speaker 19: or four years into his career, I always thought Brady's
• 57:52
  Speaker 19: big leap in new offensive juggernaut more to do a
• 57:54
  Speaker 19: change in philosophy rather than Brady's individual development.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Brady led the league in tds in.
• 57:58
  Speaker 19: His second season, so it's not like lacked the talent
• 58:00
  Speaker 19: to be an offensive leader. My impression was at Belichick
• 58:03
  Speaker 19: wanted more of a conservative, conservative, low risk offense, strap
• 58:06
  Speaker 19: the opponent down with defense, don't turn the ball over.
• 58:08
  Speaker 19: When Poleon had changes made in that lead in the
• 58:11
  Speaker 19: league that favored the offense in general, and the Patriots
• 58:14
  Speaker 19: just missed making Super Bowl forty one with an offense
• 58:16
  Speaker 19: that featured Vershee caledwell. The philosophy switch and the offense
• 58:20
  Speaker 19: opened up with the additions prior to two thousand and seven.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: What say you, cheers Dan in Virginia in Michigan.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, you can talk about your high
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: school dating life.
• 58:29
  Speaker 16: I was it.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: It was decent.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah was there right?
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I dabble boarding school, you know. Now, Yeah, sneak
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: into the dorms and.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: You get to Brady.
• 58:37
  Speaker 20: Yeah, the stuff, Yeah, the more importance of his Brady,
• 58:41
  Speaker 20: I would definitely say he I think Belichick wanted to
• 58:44
  Speaker 20: morph him into something that you can become a game general,
• 58:48
  Speaker 20: and I think you had to kind of start small
• 58:51
  Speaker 20: with him to then get bigger. And I think that's
• 58:53
  Speaker 20: how it works with a lot of a lot of
• 58:54
  Speaker 20: these quarterbacks in the league nowadays, especially, And I'm curious
• 58:58
  Speaker 20: kind of how.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: McDaniels will do that with Drake.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Drake.
• 59:02
  Speaker 20: Yeah, he's gonna incorporate it with Drake because obviously every
• 59:05
  Speaker 20: quarterback is different. Every quarterback has different skill sets. And
• 59:07
  Speaker 20: I mean we know Brady is a pocket presence and
• 59:10
  Speaker 20: kind of having a lot of composure when he's under pressure.
• 59:12
  Speaker 20: So you know, I'm curious what Drake he's gonna end
• 59:16
  Speaker 20: up doing this year. I think I do think I
• 59:19
  Speaker 20: agree with that Brady take a lot.
• 59:21
  Speaker 19: I mean the first year, I mean, the defense was
• 59:23
  Speaker 19: so good, so wow, would you not. I mean we
• 59:25
  Speaker 19: always show the highlight of Brady's first start, It was
• 59:27
  Speaker 19: all the defense.
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  Speaker 2: He just yes, that's not turned the ball over. Yeah,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: tell you what you do.
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  Speaker 19: But I mean, for me, because I was, like, you know,
• 59:34
  Speaker 19: growing up during that time, it was really like three
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  Speaker 19: oh four where you're like he's him.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, then you got the whole second half of his career.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: He also just had the swagger at that point too.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: YouTube super Bowls under your belt and you're like, I'm
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: already I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Growing up going into Sundays. I was like, oh, that's
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: a win. Yeah, that's a win.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But Chris, there's a good little show right here. Yeah, shuys.
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  Speaker 1: And now great moments in.
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  Speaker 2: History. I was told that I said carry on wrong.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: I said carry on. It's carry on, one word, like
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: like like the bag. It's a carry on, carry on, cape,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: calm and carry on. It's the answer to the read
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  Speaker 2: before we get in trouble. Okay, only liquids allowed, blood,
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  Speaker 2: sweat and tears. Catch carry on December thirteenth, only on Netflix.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, you know these things intrigued me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So a carry on that you would carry on to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: an airplane is pronounced differently than carry on.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, carry on, So by carry Paul, I don't see
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  Speaker 7: carry on, I carry on my going to bring your
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  Speaker 7: carry on.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I carry on.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: You just said was wrong. But Paul, you just said
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  Speaker 2: that's not You didn't use it as a now use
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  Speaker 2: it as a verb. You said, I carry on my bag.
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  Speaker 2: That's not what it is.
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  Speaker 7: It's a carry on, my bag. It's my carry on.
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  Speaker 7: It's not my carry on. It's it's my carry on,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: my carry on bag, my carry on bag.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But but when you say, but when you say
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: carry on, I'm not changing carry on, carry on, carry on,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: carry on the conversation.
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  Speaker 7: It's my carry on back. It's I'm saying it the
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 7: exact putting.
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  Speaker 12: The carrier, the on, carry on.
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  Speaker 2: It's different. Larry listen, carry listen, carry on. Carry You
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  Speaker 2: put the emphasis on on when it's a verb on,
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  Speaker 2: okay on.
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  Speaker 7: I don't, but you do.
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  Speaker 1: You just don't.
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  Speaker 2: You want to admit it, but you do.
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  Speaker 7: I'm you're just being stubborn the whole thing. Get that
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 7: hood I mean you've got that hood shirt.
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  Speaker 6: And that's why it's getting being stubborn, That's why it's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: getting under your skin.
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  Speaker 2: That's another great moment. From all right back here and
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  Speaker 2: Patriots Unfiltered an one?
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  Speaker 7: You won?
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  Speaker 13: That's it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a good one.
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  Speaker 7: You were right? What was I there's a there's a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: slight difference.
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  Speaker 2: How do you emphasize carry on and carry on the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: biggest thing? Yeah, the biggest one.
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes when I hear them back, I'm like, that was
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 6: a ridiculous semantics argument in friend was right?
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  Speaker 2: slash Barnstables certainly did. He said he's on the cave
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  Speaker 2: for Father's Day, going to the high ENDUS car show. Nice, oh,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: happened to be in Sandwich. Ended up going to Treehouse Brewing,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: which was amazing. Then followed that up by taking Fred's
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: recommendation from the newsletter and went to Seafood Sam's and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: got the fried chicken. Everyone else got seafood and gave
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: me a hard time. I told him I'm following Fred
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  Speaker 2: Kersh's orders. We then proceeded onto the Shipwreck for ice cream.
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  Speaker 7: Did you then get a speed Queen Washington.
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  Speaker 2: PS. Paul, you are the man. So my question is, well, Connor,
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  Speaker 2: you didn't give me.
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  Speaker 6: The review on the on the show, what would I
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: figure you had a term for what the chick and
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  Speaker 6: would do for you?
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  Speaker 7: It was decaded, decadent.
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  Speaker 2: It was decaded.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, like after you eat it's like super fried. Did
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: I just eat that sandwich?
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's real fried chicken.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know a srandwich.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: No, it's off the bone. It's legit a sandwich thing
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: for you young kids, fried chicken, eat it with your hands.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: You're not at the bone. Sandwiches, what do you do?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: How do you eat sandwiching? Now with a chicken sandwich?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 7: What's wrong with a sandwich?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 6: I agreed, chicken sandwiches have gotten out of control, But
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: what is wrong with the sandwich in general?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Nothing's wrong with.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: Well apparently only as kids eat the snow.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: But when I say, when I say it's fried chicken,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: that's not a sandwich. It's chicken off the bone.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: But you said you eat it with your hands. But
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: how do you eat a sandwich?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Eat it with your hands? So it's not it could
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: be a fried chicken sandwich. I admit, but when something
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: when I'm talking about fried chicken, I'm talking about real
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: fried chicken.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: Fair enough my position kind of.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 6: They can you got that right, but there are I
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: think that the the advent of the fast food chicken
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: sandwich place like this, seventy five different versions.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: Now now, yeah, like everybody had to happen, you know,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: Chick fil A, we.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 7: Just need to chick can't.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: Like you know, I think this all started because we
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: all decided at some point that red meat was the devil. So, like,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know who you people are eating a lot
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: of red meat.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Is not eat anything that bleeds the blood at one time.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: That's not It's not the best for you. So everybody
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: started pivoting from burgers to chicken fried chicken because it's healthier.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: And then now we have everybody has chicken.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: Fried chicken because it's healthier. I didn't say that.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: I just said that was well, the people that get
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: fried chicken and they peel off the skin, It's like,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: oh boy, what do you think just get the best
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: part is the skin.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: I got to get back to Blondiees. We went there
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: that the new Barba you did?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah that, Sorry, I thought I told you.
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  Speaker 5: I thought I thought I mentioned it.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: No, you real.
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  Speaker 3: We kind of under ordered though.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: The kids, the kids that never have barbecue before. And
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: I have a kids who are fifteen.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: And so this is a new place down the streets,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: right down the street on one.
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  Speaker 3: What kind of culture, dad, are you?
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  Speaker 8: No?
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  Speaker 4: I know, well, I mean not a great one because
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: they don't eat anything other than like that's but we
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: got had a brisket toast because kids inhaled the brisket
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: and they were like, we're going to go back up
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: and or they have ribs.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: They got ribs.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: But we just we started light, you know, we were like,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: let's just get you know, a couple of orders of brisket,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: see how it goes.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: And it was mad at them for not getting ribs.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: Yep, yeah that's now and now I gotta get back.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: I'm a brisket guy.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: Thought they'd be intimidating bones.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a difference between barbecue brisket and then Jewish brisket.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 3: Two different things, really, yeah, but both good.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to mess up with brisket. Yeah, well, corny,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: so the place is good, two thumbs up. We might
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: have to So this is the old red wing the
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: old Red Wing might have to order the counter.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: And are they like smoking the ribs behind it right
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: out there?
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  Speaker 5: It Every morning when I.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Drive, I gotta try to go over there for a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: long one.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we could do that.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: We might have to work on Wednesday.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes when you have a light afternoon because the
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: last thing you want to barbecue, and then you're in
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: your meeting, it's like, well, let's go over the fourth
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  Speaker 7: You're doing a good job of actually doing the reads today.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: Sometimes you forget.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I think Brunt really motivated me. You know, we
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: need to take care of responsors.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, we need to do it all the time.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: Gives us a couch, will be a little bit more
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: inclined to Sure.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: I can get your haircut at g a barber shop.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: There you go streets and there you go, get your
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: pitch your haircut. Look at this haircuts A great cut,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: isn't it. You want to cut like barbershop?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 6: Will he take care of even the fallically challenged, Yeah,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 6: he actually usually.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 7: He usually he does.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: If there's like me and this other guy that's waiting, like,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: he'll like give me the like me him.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: My guy does that all time, My guy Anthony.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: You know, we're there for a while. The beer got
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: the air because.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: You don't mind. He'll be in and.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: G S barber they're they're good. Yeah, they remembered you well,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: like they did. So I'll roll in at eight and
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: they're not open yet and he'll be in there. He'll
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: see me. He'll open up for no.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he does that for the for the players as well.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: So you're on those Yeah, you should in there is
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: the real star of the show is here now, folks.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's right. You know where the Papa Gino's plaza
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: is plaza. Yeah, on the other end.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 7: That's what he knows all of us because he watched
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: you know me, I walked in couches over there.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: We'll get to you again.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he tells me all the time, if I
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: want to, you might need to come early to open
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: up the place for me.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 7: I'm like, I might need that.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: I'm like one of those washed up soap opera stars.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: You know, sometimes you need an ego boost.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: Is harber shop.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Roy wants to talk about Forge and Foxborough the documentary
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: We see love the first episode that covered up through
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: the draft. Assuming O t As and Camp is next.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: What's coming next? Well, you'll have to wait and see.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: He also wants to know.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 7: What a good bet though, But that's probably a good
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 7: Beth though.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: What what type of coverage do you have planned for
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: joint practices against the commanders and vikings? Well, I can
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: tell you when the commanders are here, will certainly be
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: live for that, and we'll have the cameras on as
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: long as we can, as long as they let us,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: as long as they let us, So.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: It's a great time. Come down here, though, you know
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: what you do, Come down here and then put the
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: radio on.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: For the start of practice, you listen to one will
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: set it up for you and then we'll all enjoy
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: it together.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: A lot of people on on on the Twitter sphere,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: on the X machine are asking about Forge Fred. They
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: want to know when the next one is dropping. It's
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: a lot of some confusion about, you know, the release
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: schedule and things like that.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: And well, we've we haven't told anyone anything about when
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: it's coming out, but it's coming soon.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: I can tell you that if the last one covered
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: to the draft, this one might cover from the drafts
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: until now.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: You knows. In Mini caamp I go. You know, it's
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 6: probably a pretty good bag. You'll see some of that stuff.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, some people like were like I thought it was weekly.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: I was like, what were showed weekly? Wes?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave wants to know, Deuce, have you had any
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: luck dealing with the Japanese not weed. My parents have
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: some and they've been cutting it down, which apparently doesn't
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: do much.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So you just have to dedicate yourself to it
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: and be ready to clean it out from the areas
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: you don't want it, like get near your septic system
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: or any of those stuff. But I've made peace with it,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: and when I first moved in and I realized what
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: it was and how quickly it spreads like bamboo.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is bad.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: But you learn how to trim it back, and I
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: think if you pull it at certain times it's better
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: because it gets hard to get rid of it once
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: it gets hard and then it loses its leaves and
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: it's filled with seeds and you've got you know, hard
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: bamboo stocks. It's easier when it's I just take one
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: of those like things, like it's like a lopper maybe shit,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: you just right through it, so that looks like bamboo Japan.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: Every every it just grows.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: Does It's unbelievable. It's so easy to knock down, Like
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: it's like killing zombies, like they're really easy to kill.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: But there's millions.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: When you start to pull the roots out, you know,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, hit them in the branch.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 7: You see the root, how deep the roots go.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: And then the different nodules off those nodules going off
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: of it. I mean, the thing spreads like wildfire. So
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: he just you know, you have to keep it cut back.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: But I haven't not too much of a problem. I mean,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: it all dies in the winter.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: But when I was in LA we had actual break
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: most soft Well yeah, that stuff too, is it rows
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: up and it shoots through the I mean it'll ruin
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: your whole yard, the bamboo and the not weed if
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: you're not careful with at all.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Yep. Let's see Caesar from Brazil and he's a football player. Hey,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: how confident are we with Drake May and how does
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: that compare with our previous experience with Mac Jones's second year.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 7: I'm a lot more confident that Jones.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: I'm a lot more confident. I think the questions are
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: real though that I mean, he has to prove it.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: But you feel good that we said a lot last year.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: He's not going to be athletically limited.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: There isn't always going to be something that Drake May
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: has to work around physically. He's got all the gifts
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: that he needs to do to play in this league.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: But will he be again My big question this year?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: Is he clutch when the game is on the line.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: Is he at his best?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: Or is he the guy that thres interceptions and can't
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: quite get the team over the hump.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: That's that's what I hope we'll learn about Drake May.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: I hope I hope we learn the positive that he
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: is able to do it. But he's got all the
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: tools in the toolbox. That's reassuring to know that Max.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 3: Jones, you're hoping he was going to be really a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: good enough game manager, but Drake May he could really
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: elevate talent. Like I think that's why it makes you
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: feel more optimistic. I don't know if it's necessarily that
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: what he did last year was so much better than
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: what Mac did his real the year, but just you
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: see the tools and you see, like Deuce is saying,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: and Drake May could be an elevator of talent, whereas
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: Mac Jones was always going to be well along for
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: a ride.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, after Max first year, we went into year
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: two at least I did thinking is there anything else?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Is there anything else he can do? This year? We
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: go in with Drake knowing this guy can do a lot,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: but we're hoping he can eliminate the mistakes.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've just been so impressed with his ability to
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: throw the deep ball that to me is just really
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: stood out.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: Uniquely of my time.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: Granted limited here with Brady for one season, but from
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: those other Mac just he's got a downfield accuracy gift
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: that and he's not afraid to do it.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: I mean, we saw a lot with Booty last.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: Year, and I hope he continues to make those big plays.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: Those are so vital to keeping pick.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Kylon Pembroke rights. And I've been listening to old Pus
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: out of boredom, and I realized something that I've been
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: guilty as I've been guilty as well. The past two years.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: We've taken solid Week one performances as a sign of
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: things turning around to be better, and I want to
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: warn against that we won't really figure out how good
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: this team is until the first four games of the
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: season are played. In my opinion, what do you guys think?
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: I might even be longer than four yous.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: I just want the record to show that Week one
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: against Philly two years ago, I got killed because I
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: said that there was issues with that game tape that
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: people didn't want to admit because they looked at the
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: box score, said that Mac Jolling threw for like three
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: hundred yards and was like, we're good.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you that I never expressed optimism
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: off of that Week one win.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: Last year.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: I don't remember as much about how I felt after
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: the Philly game. But the Cincinnati game, I think Mike
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: and I spent a good portion of the postgame show
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: saying that kind of style is not sustainable, Like you
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: can't just run the ball into a brick wall and
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: hope you're running back breaks twenty seven tackles every play
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: and then you squeak out a win because the other
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: team was asleep.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 7: For sixty minutes. Yeah right, you remember that, I do.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: But I would still say that as tepid as things
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: were in camp, like it was a little encouraging, like
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: they somehow found a way to win.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: So you're kind of lying yourself a little.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: Bit, like to the fact that you win.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 7: But it was obviously the most important thing.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: But we were you know, Stevenson breaking tackles in the backfield,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: the timely turnovers, with Marcus Jones having that one pop
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: right up into his hands to take a score off
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: the board.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: You know, it was right. We all said, that's a
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: tough way to live, but we were hoping that they
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: realized that and they were gonna winch And I do
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: think that.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: They played well that day, Oh yeah, they played clean,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 6: But Cincinnati was very much complicit in their demise.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they played a while, they played
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: clean like they.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: I think that that team.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: Played about as well as Cable exactly. Christ and Kolfax California.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: We should talk about a little bit about it. He
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: wants to know what everyone's take on the Raphael Devers
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: situation is.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 7: I mean, we should talk a little bit about it.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: No, we should. I mean, listen, but it's Boston, and.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: I have no problem with trading Devors. I have no
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 6: you know, I'm not a big sacred cows guy. I
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 6: just I hate the return they got, and I hate
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: the reasons why they made the trade.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah, dumping salary.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Well you're assuming that's why they made the trade.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 7: They refuted, but I have a track record, I know.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: But they refuted that.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 8: No, I know.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I think it's an asset management issue,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: like they whether it's how we got here to the
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: point that he had to be traded, or just what
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: they got in return. To Paul's point, either way, you're
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: not maximizing the last.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. If from the get
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: go they said, hey, we're bringing in Bregman, can you play?
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Can you be dh He was like, yep, whatever, you
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: need oh costas is her, can you play? And he
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: was like, yep, I'll do whatever you want. If he
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: had been a team player from the get do you
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: think they would have traded him? Yep?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: I don't, But I think that I think the the
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: way that we got here was of their own doing
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: because they didn't do that. They signed Alex Bregman, they
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: showed up the spring training.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: If they had done everything right and he was a
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: team player, would they have traded him?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 8: No?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. But I think that the bigger issue,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: And this is what stood out to me. I watched
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: the whole Zoom thing last night. The thing that stood
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: out to me that I feel like isn't being talked
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: about enough is Craig Breslo admitting that he mishandled the
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: communication with Rapie.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: He came out and he admitted that, yeah, he said
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: that is that's that's not good general managing. Like that's
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: just not acceptable, Like you cost the Red Sox for
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: Rafael Devers like you just said you did, Like you
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: literally cost them a star player, Like that's unacceptable. And
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: if they had just gone to him and they had
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: said I was talking to Dan Roach about this before
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: the show, and he was in today and he said,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: if they sat him down and they said, we need
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: a right handed bat, Alex Bregman's available. This makes the
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: team better, We're gonna move you to first place, slash
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: DH And they told him that in February, we.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: Didn't know that we were going to get it.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: They knew that they were.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: Pursuing, they were trying. If we get them, then we're
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: going to try this. Yeah, that's fair enough. Now here's
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: here's where there's some evidence about Paul. Okay, So let's
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: say you are the owner of the Red Sox and
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: your general manager just botched one of the best hitters
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: in the league. The solution is getting rid of the hitter,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: or hey, maybe you're gonna take a time out from
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: being GM.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: They sided with the GM.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: I gide it with the GM because why maybe, okay,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: here's our out right.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: Because he did what they wanted him to do, or
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: maybe you know, it is a team at the end
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: of the day, and he's one player on the team.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: I just I've watched this team trade Mookie Bets and
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: Rafael dev and that's unaccepted.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: That McCarthy had the best question, which they evaded by
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: going into the twenty four year history instead of the question,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: which was the last five years?
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 7: That was very Belichick like, wasn't it.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah it was. It's absolutely what Belichick did with
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Mike Reese at the owner's meeting when he said, you know,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: why should fans be excited this year? He goes over
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: the last twenty years?
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: Right. It would be the same thing if the Patriots
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: in a couple of years traded Christian Gonzales, right, and
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: they said and they and you know, whether it was
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: a contract thing like with Mookie or it was an
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: attitude thing like with Devers, and they just traded Christian Gonzales,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: but they made the bed and then they traded the player.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: And I would say the same thing about doing that
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: for Christianzalez, just to make it about football, you know,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: like that. That's what the Red Sox have done, is
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: they have played hardball with their superstar players twice now
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: and they've lost two generational talents as a result.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 7: And go ahead.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, you se, the fans like
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: Jared Carabas that I can't explain it, and that to
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: me is the biggest nightmare as a fan when We
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: spend so much time talking about how can the Patriots
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: get more talented, to have talent in the building and
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: have a core that won a championship whatnot? Seven years ago?
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: And now that's all gone. Why do fans have any
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: reason to believe that this is exactly what's gonna happen
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: with all the young stars?
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: My line of thought too, because I've heard a lot
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 6: about well, it's sending a message in the locker room.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 7: You know, these young kids are impressionable. They're coming up.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: Roman Anthony and they're telling you how good it is
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: for them. And I would say I can make just
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: as strong an abstract argument. I mean, let's face it,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: that's a very subjective thing. Is how it affects other people,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean? Mentally, Like you can't identify,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: you can't define how that's affecting Roman Anthony and Marcello Meyer, Right,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 6: you don't know for sure? Can't that have a negative
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: impact on a young guy like I can do exactly
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 6: what they want. I can be elite at what I do,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: But he can give me a contract and they can
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 6: still trade me.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: But he didn't do exactly he did want.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 7: He's hitting at an elite level.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: They asked him to be all they wanted.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: They If you think that he's gone because you wouldn't
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: play for at base, then I have a couple of
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: bridges to sell you he's gone because they gave him
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: a contract that they immediately regretted. Well, three hundred and
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 6: thirteen million, I would argue things changed. He became a DH.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: Now that's a very expensive DH.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 7: I get it.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 6: I understand what the Red Sox are thinking. He's a
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 6: very expensive DH. He's not overly expensive if you consider
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: him a third basement.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: So why if they asked Bregman to play second or
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: short or whatever.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: Cold club third basement.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 6: Well, they also initially posed it as that that they
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: were going to ask him to do that, and that
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: was how they placated him initially.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: There's no issue with them asking Devers to not play
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: the field or to play first base because Bregman's awesome
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: at third base, cold glove caliber, third basement. It makes
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: all sense in the world. But you got to be
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: upfront and honest with the player, especially a star player
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: like Rafael Devers, and like to douce point about the fans,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: like I am a fan that wants to buy tickets
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: to watch the Red Sox. I won't give him my money,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: Like I just won't. Like you keep on doing stuff
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: like this. It's a slap in the face of the fans,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: Like who's jersey are you supposed to buy? Like who
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: are you supposed to go.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 7: To the games for?
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: And I know the kids are coming, the kids are coming,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: but like they're not here yet, Like they're here, but
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: they're not They're not at that leg right.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 6: And if you wanted to give me some some like
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 6: ready made major league pitchers in an exchange that maybe
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: costs some money, then I'd be more willing to say Okay.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 6: So they look at this is value add because it's
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 6: going to be additioned by subtraction. Even though he's a
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 6: really good hitter. They don't like the way he's been brooding.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 6: Even though I think this is a month too late.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 6: I think the problem was back in April and May,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 6: when I would say May, when Cosas actually got hurt
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 6: and they had the hole at first base.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 7: That's when it was a problem.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 6: I think he kind of put it behind him, and
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 6: I think he had moved on and he is really
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 6: sort of settled into a decent groove offensively. And I
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 6: had an argument with No Socks yesterday about this. It's like,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 6: you know, he doesn't he's not that good. He doesn't
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 6: do this. And I would argue with with no socks
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 6: in general, that defines every player and every sport is
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 6: they're just not that good anymore, you know, in this
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 6: day and age. But like he's pointing to his batting
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 6: average being two seventy two whatever, it is not being
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: very good. What do you think of Aaron Judge? Do
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 6: you know he has too fewer RBIs than Aaron Judge.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: Aaron Judge is having a historic season. He has two
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: fewer RBIs than Aaron Judge.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: And if you took away half of Dever's RBIs that
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: he has this year, the Red Sox wouldn't even be
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: close to where they are now. They wouldn't even be sniffing.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 7: So trade him. I get it, you want to you
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 7: want to get about you.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: I'm for the trade, by the way, but that's.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 7: Okay, And I'm not on record anti, but I'm not
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 7: anti the trade.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: Make a baseball trade, and make a baseball.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 7: Trade, don't make a salary dump that.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: Well, let's see what they do with the money. I'm
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: holding out hope.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 7: But I don't know why that matters. If it does matter,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 7: if they had made if they had got something for
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 7: this guy, you chose.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: Not to not right away you get closer to the deadline,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: other guys might free up. It's better to wait till
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: then you might have more of a selection the deadline.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 7: I don't understand if you have.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: Because you wanted to get rid of him.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 6: Now I'm okay again again, after everything had set, the
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: dust had settled, and he had sort.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: Of we don't know how long they've been working on this,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 7: He had come to grips with it.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: So if you waited till after the dust had settled,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: they waited until they had the deal.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: But again, I don't understand why your theory is exclusive
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: of getting talent.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: Now, I think Craig and Sam did a good job.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: All right, we got let's get back to the show.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 7: It's just that I'm talking about it.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: We talked about it enough.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: We can talk show like the trade. There's I'm sure
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: there's a much more recent example. But it's my childhood,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: like a rod for Alfonsa Sorriana, right, like this is
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: my rod was so much better than a Fonza Sorriana,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: but sorran it.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 6: Was a good But did that preclude those two teams
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: from then adding other players in the deadline?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: And they traded him, but they took on money. Texas
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: took on money to make the trade happen, but they
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: got an All Star.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: When is the trade headline? By the way, July?
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: End of July?
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 7: And I just don't know why trading for.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: A month and a half. It's a month and a
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: half from now.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 7: You don't know how calendars work. It's less than a
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 7: month away the trade deadline, he said, end of July.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 7: Usually it's the middle of July. But but it's the
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 7: end of June. Now then it's like.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: That's the middle of middle of June.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 7: So it's less than a month away.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: I said a month and a half because he said
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: it was the end of July.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 6: You know, so the thirty So the thirty first is
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 6: a month and a half. Okay, you're right, it's July
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 6: thirty first month happened and a half. Why do you
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 6: have to wait till you're right? I said, it's a
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: long time. Said you're right, No, it's not a long time.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 7: It is, it's six weeks.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: I don't want him brooding sitting on that cooler being
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: a yeah, I don't want him hitting.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 7: I'm not anti Devers trade.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: I know you want it more. I don't think right
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: now they.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 7: They wanted something, they got nothing.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: They got three hundred million dollars.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: This makes the package they got for Mookie Bets look
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 6: like they got Jason Verattek and Derek Wall for Heathcliff's Sulcombe.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 7: This was nothing. They got nothing.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: Listen, I don't think the management they got to.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: Get the prize of they immediately put to Wister like
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 6: that's supposedly the best guy thing.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: But they didn't have alignment with Devers and that was
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: the most important thing, and said it's seventeen times, only.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 7: Fourteen only fourteen?
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: All right, okay good?
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 6: And I also read that chicken bleep thing that they
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 6: had to do by saying we're gonna have an eight
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 6: o'clock Well, zoo.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 7: Olot want Yeah, why did the GM have to be
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 7: on the west coast?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 6: Well, he's gonna be with the because he has no
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 6: balls and he didn't want to have a press conference
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 6: when people might actually be there.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: At a gorilla He may not be suited to be
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: a GM, that's true.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 6: They're suited to own the team anymore because they don't
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: want to invest in winning.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: Watching that press conference made it worse, like I I
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: it was. It made it worse. They like just sitting
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: there watching them talk about it. We don't have a lineman.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: You don't have a lineman. He's your DH, and he's
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: the best left at hand, Henner in the al.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 7: Now we have now we have roster flexibility.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: Well, because they've always wanted that with the DH. They
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: want to revolve the socks.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 7: And that's that's you know what they always say about
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 7: having a young guy, you know what's really good for him, dhing.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 7: That's usually a good way to develop a prospect.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: No pressure on the young guys except Roman Anthony hitting
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: third in the lineup in a really important series in Seattle.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: No pressure better than.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: Christian Campbell hitting clean up for like the entire month
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 7: of May.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: It's crazy, all right, Nate, Chicago's on the hotline. What's up, Nate?
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 7: They've won six in a row.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 21: Good now, you guys are getting riled up, all right,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 21: Hang in there, Mike.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 7: Mike talks about no other sports I know you hockey.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: It's not just football, it's just defense, not even sport.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 7: And you know Mike, he's defensive guy.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: He doesn't even talk about stuff you know about that
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: about Mike, but he likes the defense.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: All right, what do you got, Nate, Well, we.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 8: All value Mike. I think we can all agree on that.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you in different ways, all right.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 21: You know we talk about sometimes now it takes a
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 21: couple of years before we know the draft class is
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 21: a good draft or a bad draft. I was thinking
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 21: about the twenty three draft, Kean White, Christian Gonzalez, Pop Douglass,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 21: and kay Sean Body, and I'm wondering what you guys
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 21: would need to see from now as far as like
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 21: increase productivity this year, for at the end of the
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 21: year for us to look at the twenty three draft
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 21: and say, hey, that was a good draft. And I
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 21: have a music recommendation for Evan. Listen a Big X
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 21: the plug. I think you'll like him. I'll take it
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 21: off air. Thanks, guys.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: I've heard a Big X them a little bit. I
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: think it's already kind of a good draft to me
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: because of Christian.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think Gonzalez was obviously an excellent pick. Yeah,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 6: and those other three guys, if they make an ascension
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 6: into being frontline players.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 7: That's a great draft. I think they've already four front
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 7: line players.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: Already a solid draft. I think to be a greater,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: a really great draft, that those other guys would have
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: to help out. But like Christian Zalez has been a stud,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: Kean White's been a good player, you know, starting caliber player,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: Pop Douglas has been a functional receiver.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 6: Like I think that I want to see more about
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 6: those the other three, Like king On White is a
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: starting caliber player for the Patriots, would he be a
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 6: starting caliber player for other teams?
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: He would be in a rotation.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying no, ye asking that was an open ending.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 7: I don't know if you would be.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: An eighty percent snap guy for another team, But he
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: would be playing on on most teams, you know, I
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: think he would have a role.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: I think Mike would argue, I mean, I think when
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: you look at it, it's a big opportunity for these
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: guys this year. I mean, Demario Douglas have an opportunity
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: a new offense, maybe catch a bunch of balls, Booty
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: as he fit in.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, seems like he has a can. Actually with
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: Drake May maybe he takes palls.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 6: But those are two guys that I would say fall
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: into the same category of what I'm just talking about.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 6: They're going to be receivers for this team that has
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 6: no receivers. Yeah, would they be frontline receivers for a
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: team that has it?
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: And that and that to me leads to the biggest question.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, and I even just throw City so in there.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: He's in the mix for the guard position. But you
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: Ken White is That's that's the defining one to me.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: He's able to be a starting defensive end hand down play,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: you know, sixty seventy percent of the snaps be out there,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: consistent pressure off the edge.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: Then, I mean, right, really we know Gonzales. If Booty
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: and White end up being good NFL players, then good draft.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 6: But I watched Gonzales play and I say he would
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 6: be a cornerback for virtually any other team.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 6: I don't say that about any of those other guys
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 6: in the draft. No, I think they get a lot
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 6: of opportunities because they're on a team that's talent division. Now,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: maybe this the caller's right, they're entering year three. You know,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: Kaisehon Boody, if you told me before last year could
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 6: have had the year that he did last year, I
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 6: would have said that, I don't see it.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 6: He got better and he's improving, and based on what
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 6: I saw in the spring, I think he's built off
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 6: of that and is getting even better.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 7: Good shape, So maybe he is.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 6: At the end of the year. I look at him
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: and say, yeah, he could be a third receiver for
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 6: another team too.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 7: He's pretty good. He has a knack.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: You got a factor in the Marty Mapu moved to
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: linebacker and that happened last week, and it's it's it
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: seems like I mean, we talked injuries with him. He's
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: hanging on by a thread.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: It's the middle of that draft, Jake Anders Chad Ryland obviously, Oh,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: I think the city. So Mafi's already off the team.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: Is the fifth round pick that year, That middle of
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: the draft was rough. I remember Dead Live and then
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: they saved me with Pop Douglas. I was like, all right,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: like a good pick, but that's always like that's another
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: you know, feather of the notch of the consensus. You know,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: they they picked two guys in the sixth round at
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: receiver that were pretty well thought of and known and
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, and those two guys end
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: up being a lot better than the guys that they
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: reached on in the third and the fourth round.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: Todd in North Carolina. Hey, Todd, Hey.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 16: Guys, can you yes?
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 13: Okay, so I've got a quick game.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 8: First, I'll say Carolina is as derived because we'll get
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 8: you to know about what.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 16: How many men's professional teams can you name that don't
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 16: have a pluralized name.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 21: I got the Heat and I got the Apple.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 6: What name?
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 8: How many of you guys can name?
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: It's a pet peevemon.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Todd. So if you go in MLS, they
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: all do you know, what's the question? How many men's
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: professional teams have a pluralized name?
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: But is that pluralized?
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 7: Heat, the Magic, Thunder, Thunder, Jazz.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of basketball teams.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: So this just feels in the same department of like
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: warm up song team mascot names they used.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 6: To be so like the Red Sox, We'll do the
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 6: white song now the Raptors, Red Sox White.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: So it's all about it's all about you know what
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: is that By the way, I love the Yankee pinstripes.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: Their away uniforms are like the ugliest.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 6: Well, they've destroyed the uniforms too with that new company
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 6: that fanatics.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 7: Is that what it is? A fanatics thing?
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I totally agree with you, Fred, they've made bland
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 6: uniforms somehow look worse.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: How do you feel about the Red Sox wearing their
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: city connects during the Yankee series, because this has also
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: been the point of contention that it should be like
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: old school Red Sox Yankees original jerseys.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 7: I don't care about not city connects. That's another one
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 7: that gets under no socks a skin.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the new use of hockey?
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: The YETI is that what they landed on, just like like,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: why can't we just club not yet?
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: I don't think it was Yetty. I think that was
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 6: one that was and they all said they picked the
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 6: wrong name. They should have gone with Yetti. But I
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 6: think they had a hard time to get that right
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 6: from the foot or something like that. But they but
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 6: they have company.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: Oh right, they.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: Couldn't use you couldn't use it, right.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: I also think it's funny that the athletics the A's
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: do not have a city right now. So they they're
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: not like the Boston Red Sox are just the athletics.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: They didn't know the olament, So what are they doing.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: They're in Sacramento right now, but they're going to be
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: in Vegas.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: That's what I thought they were going on.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but they right now in Vegas.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: Chicago Cubs, Boston Red Sox Athletics.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: That's going to be a stadium in Vegas right for
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: the baseball team.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's supposed to go where the indoor
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: can't plays Flamingo right, Flamingo Luxor area of the strip
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: down there now, the Luxor is thing. I think they
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: forged itself.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 7: Ex Caliber I still the ex Caliber.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: They demoed the Flamingo. I think the other two are
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: still there.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: We stayed at the ex Caliber and we got like
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: comped for the brunch or whatever it was, and we
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: were like really excitedly, Hey, look at us getting comped.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 7: I went up there.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 5: I didn't eve want to eat the dessert, Like everything
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: just looks so gross.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: It was the nastiest book I have ever seen in
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: my life. Boston Cream's on the line. What's up? Boston Cream?
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 8: A guns wouldn't be another Pus show without an argument,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 8: completely not about football, and another.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: Boring Tod question, good.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 7: Straight Tom Brady hater.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 8: But truly it's kind of Paul that's the sneaky, maybe
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 8: not so steinky Belichick hater.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: It's true I agree with that.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 7: I don't really have. I not expressed myself over the
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 7: last twenty five years. It's not properly.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: Just got and four.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 6: I've sort of held my nose and you know, I've
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 6: accepted the fact that Belichick was the head coach. I
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 6: can remember having an argument with Fred like one hundred
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 6: years ago, like, if you could be guaranteed all the
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 6: winning that the Patriots have done, but have a head
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 6: coach with a personality instead, would you want? And Fred
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 6: very stubborn, he said, no, no, no, I want Belichick,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 6: not really understanding what You're gonna win six titles and
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 6: you're gonna win every game that you've won, But Andy Reid's.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 7: Going to be the coach. No, I don't want it.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 6: They might say hi to you, yeah, but he might
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: actually walk by you and acknowledge that you exist as
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 6: a fellow human being.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: No listen asking too much.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think changed his stance on that sense.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 8: In terms for pedestrian pet peeves. One of my pet
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 8: peeves is when you're standing at a crosswalk and you
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 8: know what car can stop, but this might be a
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 8: city problem. The person just doesn't want to stop because
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 8: they're in a rush, and they just speed up and
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 8: go right past to you as like a runner and
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 8: someone who's often a pedestrian, I like to just put
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 8: one foot into the roadway and then watch the fear
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 8: of God come through their eyes.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, so here's here's where I'm Boston kaream. I disagree
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: with that. I think in the city, if you're if
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: you're a pedestrian and you're not crossing with the light,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: you're taking your life into your own hands. I think
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: the cars have every right to keep going. I don't
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: in the city we should be stopping every time someone's
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: in a tosswalk. It just ties up traffic too much.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 7: That's why you have the hoicide fred for it in
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 7: the city.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: Like I'm all for jwalking. I'm a big jay walker,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: but I realize I'm I'm in the wrong. Yeah, they
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: I'm in the wrong and they don't need to stop
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: for me, so I need to do it.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 6: I've occasionally done what he's talking about where you get
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 6: to an intersection and you realize too late that there's
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: a person and you feel I feel bad, like, oh,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 6: I should have stopped, But now like I don't want
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 6: to slam on my brakes to stop because that can
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: be more dangerous than not stopping in the first place.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 7: So I see both ways.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Fred is kind of like Michael Scott where he
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 8: comes in and tells the story about hitting a speed
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 8: bump on the highway. Right. And I do have a
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 8: question if we have times are a little overrating or roster,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 8: which I would believe every fan base does. If you
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 8: were to put a number out of thirty two, what
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 8: would you say The Patriots skill wise are out of
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 8: thirty assuming drink made is like middle of.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: The rowdy too, Oh he's middle of the road.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 7: Better better take back that shot at toime.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty two is a little Yeah, thirty two, That
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: is that what he's saying. You're saying either the No.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 7: One one to thirty two? Would you put that?
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: He was saying that they He thinks that they're I
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: think that they've.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 6: Sort of gotten to the hot probably the middle of
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: the path twenties. Yeah, they've moved up from the bottom
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 6: to you know, top Thankston Williams.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 7: Top of the last thirty is tough.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: The offensive line and receivers are still not.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: Sire, still works in progress, you know, based on that
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 6: that overrated thing. So I was joking about, you know,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: you go for the ego boost when someone comes out
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 6: and say hey you. So I bump into someone yesterday
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 6: getting lunch and starts talking to me and asking me
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 6: questions about you know, and I was like, you know,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 6: I went with my my staple free agency thing.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 7: They've improved, blah blah blah blah blah.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: So what do you think?
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 7: What do you think?
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 6: Uh, you know, ten wins, eleven wins. I go, oh,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 6: that's a lot. He goes, well, what do you think?
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 6: I go maybe seven or eight? The look of utter
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 6: disdain really and I felt like I, you know, I today,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 6: you know, and I was just like, I'm thinking to myself,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 6: don't ask me if you don't want an answer, like
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 6: I tried to answer it. Honestly, I think I think
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 6: they're going to be twice as good as they were
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: last year, and somehow that's going to be a disappointment
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 6: to you. That kind of lends to Boston Cream's point
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 6: of I think people were starting to overrate things a
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 6: little bit. Eleven wins now or we're going to be
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 6: eleven wins are busted, We're going to be disappointed.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: It's what happens is that builds in a crescendo.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 4: You have mini camp, there's usually good vibes out of that,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 4: and you get to this point between ani camp and
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: training camping, this is the time to be stupid positive
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: because once you start training camp and joint practices in
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: preseason games. I remember thinking last year with Jira when
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: it was like, it's all great right now, I mean,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: and Abel said the same thing to you, like it's
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: it's easy to run the thing through the off season,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: and especially this year it looked like pretty good.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: But we all know July twenty whatever, and when it
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: all starts that's when the real well.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 6: And then what people do and people do this every year,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 6: so they they added what, let's say conservatively seven six, seven,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 6: eight starters.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 7: What happens if three of those guys get hurt.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: It's the worst, right and injuries will happen.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 6: And that's not a matter of it's not like that's
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 6: a doomsday scenario. I'm not talking like Drake May gets hurt.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 6: Every team would be devastated if their starting quarterbacks Carold Landry.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 7: But what pull that?
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 6: What happens if if Christian Gonzales gets hurt? What you know,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 6: what happens if you know you have right now a
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 6: situation on the offensive line where you've you've drafted a
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 6: kid to be the fourth overall pick and starting left
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 6: tackle because you didn't have a left tackle, and all
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 6: of a sudden, Will Campbell gets hurt. You know, like,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 6: I'm not even know if Will Campbell's going to be
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 6: good or not, but I know that you don't have
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 6: anything better than him.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: I know that.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: I also think you're looking at the opponents and a
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: lot of the reason why people are picking them to
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: win so many games because the schedule is so easy.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: But it always looks one way in June, and then
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: we get into the season, and then there will be
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: teams that are much better than we thought they were
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: going to be. There might be teams that were much worse,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: but there's going to be teams that were better.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 6: It's a great point, you know, I think it looked
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 6: a lot harder last year at this time. Yeah, and
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 6: it ended up playing right right, because I think there
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 6: were teams like the Jets that people thought were going
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 6: to be really good.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 7: It's gonna be two really tough games, and it turned
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 7: out that it wasn't.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: Speaking of the Jets. Matthew from Arizona rights in, I've
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: been watching the Jets YouTube channel and worry that we
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: may be underestimating them With Justin Fields, he's more mobile
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: in the pocket. Do you think he's a bigger threat
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: than Rogers with the Steelers? Yes? Yes, what he's saying
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: is Rogers with the Steelers. Jet feels with the Jets.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: Who's a bigger challenge for the paper Rogers with this Steelers.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 6: You're talking about who's a better team the Steelers are
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 6: the Jets.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: Is he a bigger threat with the Jets than Rogers
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: is with the Steelers?
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 6: I would say Fields with the Jets, I think Rogers
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 6: is done, but I think the Steelers are better than
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 6: the Jets. So I would rather play the Jets than
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 6: the Steelers, if that makes any sense.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 7: But Rogers, to me, I.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 5: Want to get there, and I probably am there.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: It's still just hard to shake off Aaron Rodgers, and
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: you know, truly believe he's washed, which he very well
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: might be. But I just think of how Fields looked
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: here a couple of years ago, and he had the
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: best game of his life.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: I think about Week one with Gino Smith.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 6: I think how he looked here last year, where like
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 6: the Jets are a good team, like talent wise, they
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 6: missing the quarterback, which is a huge missing. But do
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 6: we like just penciling two wins against the Jets? Is
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 6: that what everybody's doing other than us? No, but I
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 6: think everybody's penciling two wins for there. The penciling will
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 6: win over the Raiders. The penciling and win over the Titans,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 6: the Browns, and that's how you get to ten and
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: eleven wins. Every one of those games is win. I
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 6: look at those games, is probably six or seven of
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 6: them you're gonna split them. You'll go four and three
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 6: if you know, three and four whatever, because the other
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 6: teams are looking at you the same way.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but Justin Fields does not put any fear, And
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: to me, that fear that game he played a couple
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: of years ago was the best game of his life.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: He'll never play that.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 6: I do not have fear of Justin Fields. I respect
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 6: the Jets roster, and I kind of respect what they've done. Like,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 6: I haven't heard Ben Vollen wrote about this over the weekend,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 6: and I you know, I hesitate to give Ben Vollen
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 6: credit because I love to tease Benvowen. He's one of
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 6: my favorite guys to tease. I haven't heard anything about
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 6: the Jets all off season. When was the last time
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: you said that?
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I think the Jets roster has they
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: have Obviously they have some top end talent with Sauce
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: and Garrett Wilson and Quentin Williams, but like.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 7: We're making some a pretty good offensive one.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: We're just getting to the point though, where it's like
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: everybody keeps talking about how to Jets' roster is and
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: they don't win. So like at some point you have
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: to look at it and say, it can't all be
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: the coach, it can't all be the quarterback. Like they
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: have this great roster every single year, Jet's great roster, loaded, loaded, loaded,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: and then they don't win any games. So at some
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: point they got to win.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 6: I would agree with that, and I would also say
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 6: the same thing I just said about the Patriots. I
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 6: do think they have good talent around the roster. Let's
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 6: see what happens when those some of those guys start
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 6: getting hurt. You know, Let's see how much depth they have.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 6: I think the offensive line they're gonna have, They're gonna
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 6: have two young tackles.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 7: Are they gonna stay healthy?
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, maybe Jasper and Somerville by way
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: of Maine. Full disclosure. I get rid of my car
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: two years back and drive mostly for work a few
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: times a month. If you're driving a car in Boston,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: you are one hundred percent an interloper and should act
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: as such. I slow walk, jay, walk, walk, or however
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: I please, because Boston is a four hundred year old
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: city with bones built around the on foot individual. When
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: I'm in some hell hole like Phoenix, I know I
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: will coutow to drivers they will legit kill you. But
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: when I'm in God's walkable country, I will continue to
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: be a walk Chad ten and seven season wildcard win
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: with the second round exit incoming, Drake may MVP discussion
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: next year watch the space.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: Boston would be more walkable. To his point, if the
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: public transit was better than it is now. Some of
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: the reason why it isn't is because the city grid
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: is makes no sense whatsoever. It's not like New York
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: City where it's all just you.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 7: Know, it's amazing, you know what cows dictate how the
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 7: roads are going to be.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get his point, but like it's only walkable
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: within the neighborhoods that you want. Like if you're in
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: the North End for the day, great and walkable. But
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: if you live in Everett and you want to go
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: to the North End, there's really only one way to
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: do that, like you know, and it's in an uber
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: in your own car.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: Like you're over by the Common or you're kind of
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: North End near South Station with Quincy Market in that area, right, But.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 7: A lot of people do walk.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 6: I'm always sort of I always think of different areas
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 6: of the city that in my mind are like, oh,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 6: well that's way over there. But people that live in
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 6: and around the city and spend a lot of time
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 6: in the city, No, you just walk from you know
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 6: wherever to Fenway and that's no problem. I remember doing
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 6: that when when I met my wife and she was
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 6: still living in town. She lived you know, near Beacon Hill,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 6: and like, just how many places we walked that I
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 6: was like I never thought of like being able to
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 6: walk from there to there.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, now the green line, if you're on the
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: green line, you're good. Any of the other things you're
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: it's a it's a while. And then the green line,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: you know, we'll go all away from Fenway to to
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: you know, North Station, so you you can like use it.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: But it's just I challenged that the whole city is
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: really walkable, like the bird, like the neighborhoods are walkable.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I get a lot of traffic through Ruggles for Fenway.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: Is that a big Like we did that one time
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: and said we don't we can't get to the green line,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: but we took the commuter.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: Rail to Ruggles and that.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: But that's a pretty good little walk from rugg Stachne.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good walk.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 7: That's a good walk.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: Kevin England, I've been a huge Patriots fan for twenty
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: five plus years, but in recent years I've adopted Boston
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: as a whole and watched the Celtics and Bruins when
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: my schedule allows. Very recently I started working at baseball
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: with the Red Sox. My question is, can you explain
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: the Raphael Devers terms in football? Terms the trade in
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: football terms, how big are we talking? So what would
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: be now in an analogy?
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 7: No, No, that's a big trade. I don't I don't
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 7: trade have one.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 6: I mean it's not as big as like the Luca
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 6: trade that happened in the NBA, but kind of in
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 6: that ballpark's close.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: It's a similar trade, you know, similar Like wait, what
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: they traded?
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 19: Who?
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: I know?
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 6: Sunday afternoon, my son told me and I said, we
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 6: did you get that? Like I immediately didn't believe it.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: That was the worst part. I was at a Father's
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: Day dinner with my diehard Red Sox fan dad, and
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: we were sitting down to eat dinner and I had
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: to tell him Father's Day that they just traded Raviel
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: Devers and I just saw, like the emotion just gon
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: leave his face, and he was.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: Like, what I think it would be? Like it's hard
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: to compare it to trading a quarterback, because quarterback, but
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: like if if you were to trade a big sack
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: leader like a Max Crosby or something, and you got
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: like special teamers and uh, you know, some draft picks
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: draft picks in return, it would be something like that.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: I just think that the one of the league's best
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: sack leaders.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: The fact that he was homegrown, I think adds a
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: whole another angle to it as well, Like.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 4: Especially on the heels of what's happened in the last
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: few years.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's just like I.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: Said earlier, Like from a Patriots perspective, I think it's
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: like if they had extended Christian Gonzales then like asked
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: him to like move to safety and he got all
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: mad about it, and then all of a sudden they
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: were like, you know what, if you're not going to
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: play ball, we're just gonna trade you like that. That
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: would like that sort of thing is basically what happened.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 7: I don't get that you make it. What would make
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 7: it a better team?
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: Says you, Well, no, we actually think we might win
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: more games now without Rafield evers then we would have
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: if not. And that's algorithm. I don't mean.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 6: I don't mean just to like steal my boy Felger's
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 6: line that he says all the time. It's one of
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 6: the few things that he says that I actually agree with.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 6: I don't know what's going to happen. I don't, I
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 6: don't I can't see the future. I don't know what's
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 6: gonna happen. Maybe some of these teams that I think
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 6: have played I think the Yankees have played over their
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 6: heads quite frankly for the first three months of the season,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 6: with all their injuries are I can't believe that they're
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 6: in this situation that maybe they're starting to seek their level.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 6: They've lost four in a row now, maybe maybe they
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 6: have a dive coming. I can't see the future. I
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 6: don't know what's going to happen, but I don't think
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 6: the Red Sox are better today than they were.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: Watching the Yankees twice in like a week, it's like
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: to get Judge out. The rest of that lineup is
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: really not anything scary, not like it used to be.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: You're not so Kodo Stanton Judge, you.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 6: Know, And if they can get Stanton, I mean Stanton's
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 6: coming back now, but you know, he's such a flawed hitter.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 7: Who knows what you're going to get from him? I
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 7: don't know.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: Uh, David and Maryland. Dear Evan. He says, I really
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: like you. You're a great addition to the show over
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: the past few years, and I'm concerned about but I'm
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: concerned about your mental and emotional health. Please. You are
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: far too young to be such a curmudgeon. Yes, people
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: talking about soap man bits and personal hygienes can be icky,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: but just chill. Why rant about the youth goofing around
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: at concerts? Not everyone has fun your way, and that's okay.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: Most concerning is that you are so annoyed by sometimes
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: greeting your friendly coworkers in the hallway. Paul was already
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: voted most likely to yell at kids to get off
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: his lawn, and yet he has the greatest advice, just
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: be a decent person. I have two things to help
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: you seriously. One, you are a great ball knower. Just
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: be who you are and let others be themselves. Two,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: I have a burning question I need you to answer.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: Can you explain the eighty five Bears forty six defense?
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: They had great players, yes, but what was the scheme?
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: I have never heard a good explanation before, and you
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: are just the guy to do it.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: This is the Buddy Ryan forty six correfense.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, the forty six defense is not I'm trying
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: to think of the best way to discre like it's
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: not nowadays. I don't think it's that revolutionary. It was
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: kind of revolutionary for the time. But now, you know,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: teams played a lot more that. Basically the Bear Front,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: which you know, very conveniently named it was, you know,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: probably the biggest thing that came out of the forty
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: six defense. You know, just the way that they align
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: their defensive linemen and.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 7: Things like that.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: You know, I wouldn't say that it's that far of
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: a departure from what teams do now. It just was
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 3: a pretty revolutionary for the time. Also, me complaining about
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: everything is me being myself, so that that's just I
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: complained about a lot of things. You I'm a complainer.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: Talked to quite a few of the nineteen eighty five guys,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: and all of them when talking about that game, and
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: they played the Bears twice in that season, they said
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 4: it felt like they had a couple extra guys on
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: the field going against them, that's how talented they felt.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: And the Patriots also.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: Too, lost Lynn Dawson, their tight end pretty early in
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: that game. They came out throwing, trying not to run
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 4: into the brick wall, which got away from their identity,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: and we saw how it all snowballed on them. But
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: a lot of respect, I mean, I talked to Tip
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: about it. Tip was like I was so interested in
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: afterwards he had to like go get the playbook after
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: the season and really dive into understand.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 7: It a little bit.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: But likee F said, it's just I don't have the
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: ex centers and guards cover them up and.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: Knowledge the barefront was the big thing, you know, like
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: like du said, like the three guys across the middle
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: of the defensive line covering the centers and the guard
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: or guard and guards and centers single high most of
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: the time, one high safety. They had the two linebackers
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: on one point right on one side of the of
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: the formation too, which is like kind of unique. But
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: it was like basically just like a four to three
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: Like essentially, I.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: Want to say too maybe and I don't know if
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 4: you guys remember this, but I feel like Washington's offense
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: eventually came around schematically to something which I might even
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: just been the single back set that really gave the
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: forty six problems.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: There was like a schematic tack that it was they kind.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: Of exped to do.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 7: Was what Miami did to him. Miami shredded throw it
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 7: all over that game.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 5: They lost.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, again, I don't I don't have the knowledge of
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 6: the exo's nose like Evan's talking about. I would just
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 6: say that I think a lot of teams could have
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 6: had that scheme and not had the success.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, they had a lot of talent.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 6: Harry Richard, Dan, Michael Singletary, Otis Wilson, Doug Playing, Gary Fencik.
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  Speaker 7: Those were great players.
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  Speaker 4: There's that other big defensive line Marshall Well refrigerated Perry Perry.
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  Speaker 6: There was another one too well, Wilber. Yeah, they Wilbur
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  Speaker 6: Marshall was uh was on that team too. It's another one.
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  Speaker 7: They blitzed a lot like the line were immense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's.
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  Speaker 2: Happy different era. Yeah, Craig and Charlotte last time, this
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  Speaker 2: time last year, all anyone could talk about with Drake
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  Speaker 2: May's footwork, which foot was forward? How many steps was
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: he dropping? Haven't heard a peep about it this year.
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  Speaker 2: We know Josh in the past had Brady take shallower
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  Speaker 2: drops and step up more in the pocket. With Will
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  Speaker 2: Campbell having some issues with outside in rush moves, i'd
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  Speaker 2: expect this would allow him to take shallower set sets
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  Speaker 2: and protect better against inside moves. Wondering if you've seen
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  Speaker 2: any adjustment by Drake from what he did last year.
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  Speaker 2: Is his left foot still forward? And also note I
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  Speaker 2: do wash my legs. Italian SUPs don't have mao and
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  Speaker 2: boneless chicken wings are tenders.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, the trifector of dominance.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not answered the football question after I just heard
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  Speaker 3: that last line.
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  Speaker 2: I'm out, wow, Wow, You're not going to answer left footfall.
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  Speaker 2: So are we still worried about Drake May's footwork?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I will be forever worried about Drake May's footwork
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  Speaker 3: because that just what these are the things that I
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  Speaker 3: worry about. The drops in terms of the depth of
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  Speaker 3: the drop that is tied to the routes that they're calling.
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  Speaker 3: So like the depth of the drop I think was
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  Speaker 3: more of a Brady thing than I would say that
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  Speaker 3: it was like a system thing. A big part of
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  Speaker 3: that with Brady is that he's not mobile, so like
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  Speaker 3: he would set to a certain depth to you know,
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  Speaker 3: help out his tackles because he's not going to help
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  Speaker 3: him out by running. So that was a big aspect
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  Speaker 3: of it. Too. Left foot forward, I would say, is
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  Speaker 3: probably gonna stick. But you know, I think a lot
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  Speaker 3: of what they're trying to do is carry over. You
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: know Ashton Grant was in Cleveland last year with Stefanski
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  Speaker 3: and and try to keep it as much the same
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  Speaker 3: from a footwork standpoint as they possibly can. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: not worried about it by any means, but I'm always
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  Speaker 3: going to be watching his feet. I mean, that's that's
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  Speaker 3: a big part of his game, is making sure that
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  Speaker 3: that stays rhythmic and stays on time and he stays
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  Speaker 3: fluid with his motion and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking Fresno, going back to our original discussion of free agents,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: he says, it's a question do you sacrifice more wins
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: this season if the free agency class mostly bus or
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  Speaker 2: if Drake May is unimproved, Probably the ladder.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd probably lean the ladder.
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  Speaker 2: If he's unimproved.
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  Speaker 6: I just yeah, if he's like he was last year,
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  Speaker 6: I don't think they're gonna win that many more games
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  Speaker 6: than they did last year. They'll probably win more because
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  Speaker 6: I think they're better coached and you do have better
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 6: talent around him. But if he plays poorly and turns
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 6: the ball over and to you a point, Mike that
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 6: you've been harping on, isn't what he needs to be
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  Speaker 6: Latent games when games are decided.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 7: Your record's not going to be great.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that there's a large percentage of Patriot
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  Speaker 4: fans that are just head in the sand?
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  Speaker 5: Drake May is awesome. Yeah, we have our quarterback and
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  Speaker 5: he's gonna be great this year, you know, Like I
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  Speaker 5: just yeah, I think for me, he's the story this
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  Speaker 5: year to me.
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  Speaker 4: And I think Rabel is over overshadowing that as the
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: new coach and then all the new system. But really
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 4: how this team wins or loses it, it's just you guys.
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  Speaker 6: Know, I love to sort of tease the you know,
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 6: the over the top, you know optimism Patriots fans. This
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 6: isn't even just Patriots fans. Like how many times have
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 6: you seen different national things this year that are listing?
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  Speaker 6: You know, I saw something on Twitter yesterday. These eight
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  Speaker 6: guys are poised for a huge year or two jump
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  Speaker 6: and you know, Drake May is one of them. Peter Schrager,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 6: I think, you know, I had identified him as absolutely all. Like,
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 6: I think he's given credit for doing things last year
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 6: that he didn't do quite frankly, and maybe that's because
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 6: he had so little around him that they just automatically
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 6: extrapolate and say if he just had a little help,
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  Speaker 6: he would be x times better, which I don't think
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 6: is absurd. I think he had very little help and
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 6: was able to make some plays, just not enough. But
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  Speaker 6: I don't I think Patriots fans and National fans in
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 6: general believe that Drake May has ascended to a level
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  Speaker 6: he has in this I.
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  Speaker 3: Just wonder what, like, what's our bar though, because like
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: Justin Herbert is a great quarterback. He hasn't won anything,
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: but we can all say we watch Justin Herbert, it's
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: a good quarterback. That's a really talented quarterback. If Drake
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  Speaker 3: May is that's the level that he gets to is
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  Speaker 3: like a Justin Herbert level where they're a playoff team
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  Speaker 3: but he's not winning the super Bowl?
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  Speaker 1: Is that?
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  Speaker 3: Are we that they?
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: But are we? Like?
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  Speaker 3: No one's doubting that the Chargers have their quarter like
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: nor Herbert their quarter.
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  Speaker 6: But if I would say if May plays it to
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  Speaker 6: that level, I would say that that he's made significant improvements.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I agree. I just think that are you
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  Speaker 3: asking if that's good enough?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Because I think that like a lot of people are
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: going to look at that and say, you know, kind
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: of like they do with with bloodsoe frankly, like they're
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: gonna sit there and say, fine player, but not great player.
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  Speaker 7: Apologize. It's just like that's a very rational time.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, like I feel like that bar is high,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in terms of the winning aspect of it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, on him, Patriot fans aren't gonna want to
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: be the Philip Rivers team of the twenty twenties and
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: have a good quarterback. But you're just never gonna be
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 4: Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. You're always gonna be and
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: they don't want that thing wan to you better than Josh.
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  Speaker 6: But do you fall short because your quarterback isn't good enough?
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  Speaker 6: Or do you fall short because your team just can't
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 6: get over the hump?
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  Speaker 13: Right?
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  Speaker 6: So I'm not help bent like it has to be
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 6: a title or bust. Like I think Dan Marino is
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 6: pretty good. I know that's a controversial take. I'll take
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 6: Dan Marino any day.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 7: Of the week. He never want anything, never want a
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 7: damn thing.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 6: I'll take Dan Marino as my quarterback and say it's
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 6: on you, right, Patriots, to make sure that you're good
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 6: enough to augment this guy right and make sure that
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 6: he has enough around him to win, yep. And if
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 6: you can't, you can't. I'm not gonna say I'm gonna
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 6: be happy if they never win, But.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: The long term outlook is really what I'm getting at
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  Speaker 3: the Chargers.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think don't don't win because of Justin Herbert.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 6: Now maybe I'm wrong. It's his career is still relatively young.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 6: Maybe he's just one of those guys that his desk
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 6: just enough.
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  Speaker 3: To look like quarterbacks are to me, are like on
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: such a binary scale of like they're either the guys
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 3: you have to pay or guys that aren't the guy
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: and like, you know, friend's guy, Trevor Lawrence. It's like
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: Trevor Laurren's making fifty million dollars to quarterback the Jaguars
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: because you can see it when you watch him play.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: He looks the part of a franchise quarterback. But they
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 3: don't win. So it's like, is that gonna be Drake's
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 3: future or is he going to be able to be
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: a winner, like a true winner? And I think that
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 3: that's gonna be hard with her.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 4: What's his dynamic with Josh Allen? That to me, is
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: he the little brother who can't ever quite beat him?
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 4: Or is he somebody who's nipping at his heels in chilling.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 6: Joe Burrow and not be good enough because Cincinnati's inept
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 6: and can't get him over the hump.
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  Speaker 2: Good good, good comp. Speaking of comp's most interesting Patriots
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: fan of the world on the Devers trade, comp says
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: Richard Seymour getting traded for a fourth rounder.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 3: Richard Seymour was way more towards the end of his
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: career though, like Dev's in the prime of his career,
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: is like twenty six years old.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, that's a good comp.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: It's not bad. That's gonna be it for this edition
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back on Thursday at noon
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  Speaker 2: with another edition and we'll have more fun then catch
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: twenty two tomorrow Tomorrow noon. So Barth is still doing
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: this right, Yeah, he hasn't not too busy.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: He hasn't big time me yet, but okay's coming. He
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: has like seventeen different podcasts.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, because if he's out, we're going to pair you
• 2:00:18
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• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: So oh god ready nobody has more podcasts than Alex
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: Bart I'll tell you that.
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