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TWR | Free For All Friday #1: Evolution of Talk Radio, Deceptive Political Ads, Trump Indictments, and Gaming Industry Debates · The Whitfield Report

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  Now broadcasting from the next-gen conservative studio is
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  sunny South Florida. Bringing you the latest in
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  politics current events and pop culture.
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  This is he's the Whitfield Report with Sam Whitfield.
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  Well are we alive? I sure as hell.
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  Hope we are. It always takes Rumble, like it,
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  we'll do it live. It always takes Rumble.
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  Like a second I've noticed like actually say that we're live
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  after I hit the live button, it's still not instantaneous but
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  you know, it's free for all Friday.
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  Kind of new format for the show where we just kind of talked at
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  whatever. So welcome, everyone.
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  Now, just so happened. There's a lot to talk about this
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  week and I had to cut early. I apologize for that to you as
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  well as the audience life called cut out a little early on them
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  and Wednesday show. Well that's that's called being
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  a dad. Whoa, whoa listen Max this this
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  is Merce from night wave radio and verge of the cyst and what
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  you don't understand Max is that your show should come first
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  before everyone else? Yeah, mwah.
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  If you wanted to be a if you wanted to be a serious player,
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  if you want to be, if you want to be like dick.
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  Masterson. The biggest, you know, guy in
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  the space because we all know that dick dick master ins.
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  And like he's a household name, right?
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  Everyone knows who dick Masterson is.
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  You should want even more like dick.
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  And the funny thing about that is I never fucking heard a dick
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  Masterson. Am I like the only one?
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  No, I've never heard of this fucking guy.
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  And Like Jim became like friends with him and that's when I first
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  heard him, but I really didn't listen to his show or anything.
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  I was like oh that guy knows Jim or whatever?
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  Look, now little when I finally watched the show I realize the
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  comedic genius that he is because what he does.
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  Every house into his microphone. No, I honestly the first time I
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  am Sam Kinison called he wants his bit back, honestly.
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  Honestly, The first time I I'd heard of dick master said was
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  when merch was like, was was ranting at me and say you'll
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  never be as big as dick Masterson and I'm like, whoo.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's funny cuz I guess he was like a hanger-on of
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  Opie and Anthony and then get his own show.
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  If you said Opie and Anthony, most people would know who the
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  fuck you're talking about. Yeah but yeah, I feel like dick.
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  Sin. It seems like he got into radio
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  during the death of radio and has kind of transitioned into
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  being like an online guy, instead like a podcast guy.
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  And so that's probably why nobody ever heard of them
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  because well, he was on the radio when nobody fucking listen
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  to the radio anymore. Yeah, well well, so from my
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  Minneapolis together on Dick Masterson and maybe someone can
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  kind of, you know, fill us both in Since we, but to me from my
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  table, been able to piece together.
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  Dick Masterson. Like, you know, like you said,
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  he started off on Raid, 0 and raid, it was basically dying but
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  then he kind of missed the train of like I mean this isn't really
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  a good comparison now. But I would say say what you
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  will but I mean back in the day Crowder and you know, but and
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  all those folks they did have serious.
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  That clot in the podcast game but like dick missed the Train
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  on like getting into like Crowder.
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  Well, it seems like he didn't think that the podcast thing was
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  a viable thing. A lot of radio it's inside radio
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  thing. I guess I talk to a lot still
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  still talk to radio people and they still think a lot of them
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  still think that one day they're going to come back for
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  particularly talk, right? They feel Like music is pretty
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  much dead on the radio, like the only people listen.
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  Yeah, people listen to music in their car on the radio because
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  they didn't bring a CD or something, right?
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  Like nobody really listens to the radio anymore as such they
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  think that there would be a comeback for it in the talk /
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  podcast type sector. But but here's my thing, it's
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  actually just not convenient to listen to the radio anymore.
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  It used to be the most convenient.
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  Now it's only convenient. If you're in your car you can't
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  hook it up to your phone or some shit to play music and you
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  didn't bring a CD. So you turn the radio on it's
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  not actually convenient it's just like a last resort for most
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  people or happen. A lot of people listen to radio
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  in the morning on their way to work because they've done it
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  every day for 40 fucking years. They listen to the same channel.
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  I just don't see a comeback but at the time in the radio
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  industry, they thought this is a just a bump in the road, you
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  know, these podcasters. They're not professional people.
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  People want that high production level.
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  People want to know another thing is with which to be,
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  which, to be fair if I can interject.
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  I can kind of understand that mindset because back when I and
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  I mean I've shared this story with you but back when I started
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  podcasting, When I was still in high school in the ring to in
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  Denver, my goal was to like, have the podcast as like an
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  addition tape, almost to like get on air on my local radio
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  station in Denver so they had that advantage in Polish for the
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  longest time. Yeah, great.
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  The radio would have put on a better show because they are
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  multi-million dollar companies and they also Don't have to deal
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  with the visual aspect and so radio execs.
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  Just figured the podcasting thing.
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  It's a niche thing. It's never going to catch on now
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  that it has they're all trying to get in on it.
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  But the other thing and this you might find interesting is the
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  kind of mentality towards censorship in the radio
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  industry. And when I say that, I don't
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  mean political censorship, like, we've been facing robbery base
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  level since like, you can't say, fuck.
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  They actually think that. That a wider audience, prefers
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  clean content and doesn't want any any vulgarity or any
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  questionable content or anything like.
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  That's the reason radio became squeaky-clean in the 90s is
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  because that did kind of bear out.
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  And then they, they literally laid back on it in the tooth.
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  I like, they censored more in. This is something that people
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  don't understand. If you don't know the history of
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  radio in this country, they censored more.
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  Level like curse words in the 90s then they did in the 80s or
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  the 70s because of the rise of stuff like gangster rap and you
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  know, 2 Live Crew and some of the more extreme metal bands of
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  the day. They went Whole Hog on
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  censorship because the thought process was that that will
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  alienate dad with kids. That's going to alienate mom
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  driving her. Kids school soccer, practice or
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  whatever. Yeah, they they eased back on
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  that in the 2000s. You'll notice that in from the
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  2000s forward, they became much more lacks on the radio.
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  But the higher-ups in radio want it to be like the 90s, they want
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  everything squeaky clean. They don't want their DJ's to
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  have political takes, not even safe.
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  Political takes, they will tell you specifically do this ad for
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  the pride day but you're not even really supposed to like
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  hype up Pride day. You're just like this is the ad
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  read write or this is the thing that's happening.
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  You're not supposed to weigh in on it.
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  You're not supposed to make jokes about it.
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  You're not supposed to have an opinion on it and that's what
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  they think cells. And I know that's a little long
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  winded, way to get to it but at the end of the day that's why
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  podcasting is become a thing in live streaming.
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  And all of this is because people actually want unfiltered
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  to some degree and they're willing to trade the Polish for
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  it to one guy with a webcam. Not even a good webcam.
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  Can enthrall tens of thousands of listeners to follow
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  everything that they do. Jim's a perfect example.
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  This is a guy that's been using the same gamer headset for like
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  20 years. And yeah, so much doesn't have
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  high production values or anything like that and he's
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  super popular. Well, so much so that like that,
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  like that old, like USB headset mic like, that's oh, that's like
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  old technology. But like, the sound at that
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  headset produces like is almost unique to him, if that makes.
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  Yeah, well sense, if it works. I'd stick with it too.
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  And I stuck with this mic for quite a long time but that's
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  what people want. They want unpolished, unfiltered
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  uncensored. They want people's political
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  opinions like in radio has the exact opposite mentality and
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  that is why radio is doomed radio as we know it cannot
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  continue to function the way that they have been because the
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  The ad model is starting to fall apart because nobody listens to
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  the radio well not well and then we'll and then the barrier the
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  barrier to entry to get on till I get Andre do right it used to
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  be and I might be oversimplifying this a little
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  bit but for a long time it seemed like if you if you had
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  talent and you could put some effort into a show, you could
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  get on. Pretty easily that used to.
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  They may need to stop like Public Access Radio, right?
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  Well that's to be fair. That's different.
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  You buy time on there? Yeah I know that's been
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  different but still I've I've been on public access television
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  and radio way back in the day, if anybody finds that, you know,
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  it'd be hilarious. I'll laugh with you because I
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  was a corny cringy, teenager. However, I will say this how you
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  used to get into radio. What's the way I got in is you
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  know, a guy and then you take an internship, right?
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  And yeah it sucks as an intern I was very lucky that the guy who
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  did their 3 a.m. show on Saturdays or whatever had quit
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  the company. So as an injured and they put me
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  on the air and that's how you used to get into it.
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  You know, you didn't turn a little bit so you know how
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  everything works and one day the boss This is like, hey, I got a
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  slot, you're in it, and you sink or swim.
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  Now, it's a lot easier to sink or swim at 3:00 a.m.
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  Saturday, but I ended up moving that towards.
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  I've told this before, I think on your show, even I quit.
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  Because of all the censorship in corporatism and went internet
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  radio and found it much more fulfilling.
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  But how do you get into radio? Then was Noah guy internship,
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  right or may well, go to school for it.
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  You take it in turns, either way you take an internship and move
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  your way up the pecking order. If you're talented.
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  Now, first and foremost, you better have a communications
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  degree, they're not even going to ask you for an internship.
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  If you don't have a communications degree reason
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  being that. I think that's a negative is
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  because what they teach in Communications now and what they
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  used to teach in radio very different things.
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  This is why there's so few great radio people on the internet.
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  Jim might be the Closest. Well okay speaking as someone
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  who has both a technical writing communications degree and as one
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  who, I mean, I've told this story before to like so when I
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  was I would still 17 at the time.
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  And there was this there was this local like conservative
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  talk station in Denver can you ask?
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  It's still around and there was like a there was a conservative
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  like you know conference or something that I wanted to and I
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  met I met some of the local, you know, Rado guys.
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  And one of them was Bill Rogan who did Sports for them.
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  He did play by play for like the for the Colorado, Avalanche, at
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  some point. And I got to talking to him and
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  he, you know, and I told him about like the podcast and he
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  was like, well, you know, do you have anything, you know, that
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  you could set send me? And as it turned out, like I had
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  a actually had with me, a USB like one of those thumb drive.
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  Ives with a couple of like MP3 you know, podcast files of my
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  show so he wasn't that to them and like the next morning
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  because this was like at a hotel over the over.
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  It was like a 3-day thing, so I gave it to him on Friday night.
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  He wasn't like that night. I guess came back to me the next
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  day and said, wow this is really good.
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  What me? What Time to the station
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  manager, about you write something like yes.
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  I've at least got like an internship or something.
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  You know, after I get out of high school, right?
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  Like I'm going to Rush Limbaugh route here, station manager
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  comes over and says hey, you know, I really like your stuff.
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  It's clear that you've got to however, Salem.
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  And this is the other thing being.
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  They were owned their own device Salem Radio and he said you know
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  Salem's corporate bylines changed a few years ago and now
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  you have to have a communications degree and I'm
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  like and that's not as so Salem is I believe now a part of Clear
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  Channel, almost everything. Yeah, yeah.
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  Clear channel is Radio at this point and that's why it's dying,
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  you know, all the things. I said, are Clear Channel
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  decisions that they're making and I try not to be too critical
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  because I have friends that work in the industry still.
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  And yes, I don't think it's the worst thing ever.
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  I just think the trajectory the clear Channel's taking radio
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  down ends with essentially the death of radio as we know it.
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  But yeah, how you get in now is you're going to be a guy who's
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  going to communications degree? Then you're probably the
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  probably wants you to have. English degree to were some
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  other degree as well and then they'll probably also want
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  experience and it's really tough to get an internship now.
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  And so you still have to know somebody.
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  So you have to know, somebody is still the thing.
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  But now you have to know somebody and also have all these
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  qualifications and then still get lucky because there's so
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  many people for some reason. I'm the guy that ran away from
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  Radio kicking and screaming in 2004 but for some reason people
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  still think there's huge. Career in radio.
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  Let me tell you something, there's not, there's not, no,
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  you're not going to be Rush, you're not going to be any of
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  these. You're not going to be Bill
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  O'Reilly, you're not going to be any of that on the radio.
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  I'm sorry. It's just well, I mean, you're
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  going to you're going to press the button to play, the new
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  Nicki Minaj song and say how much you love it. 14 times a day
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  and that's your job. Yeah, that's that's your career
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  in radio. Just so, you know, Press the
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  button and you play wet ass pussy and you say that's been
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  wet ass. Pussy, 92.3 K WF M late.
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  That's what you're gonna do. That's what you're going to do.
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  You're not going to be telling jokes right?
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  And if you do tell any jokes, they're going to be written for
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  you. And there we go.
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  Not only going to tell you what to say, but they're going to
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  train you before you go into the bit on how to say it, they're
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  going to be like, okay, so when you say knock knock, you got to
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  really tone it down. Okay.
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  And then the punch line you go up like they do this shit.
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  I wish people could experience the bullshit that is modern
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  corporate content creation firsthand.
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  The way I have because it's really easy to pick it apart and
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  shit on it. But the first thing is, how do
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  you fix some of these problems without tearing the whole
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  fucking thing down? I honestly don't know.
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  That's specifically with radio. I think that radio is missing
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  out on, like, what could radio be good for in the current year?
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  Right? Sports right.
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  A lot of people go out the house there.
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  They like their sports ball game and they want to watch it.
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  But shit happens, you can't watch it.
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  Sports on the radio. I think people still people do
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  still listen to that actually, that's pretty much.
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  That's pretty much all I listen to the radio for anymore and
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  it's mostly because As and like, there's no morning.
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  Zeus like dick would have been the tail end of the morning, Zoo
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  Opie and Anthony Howard Stern shit because they all moved off
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  to other platforms when they started getting censored.
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  So you're not going to find the good like comedic DJ stuff like
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  you would have 10 20 years ago right?
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  No no you're not going to find. I mean Russia's just rushes not
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  with the city more. There is nobody as good as him
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  on talk radio. There's a couple people that I
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  like But I don't listen to them on the radio.
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  I'll invite them on a podcast. Yeah well one well one I won my
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  friends. It was not more videos but was
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  actually black. Tell Phil who is on Twitter?
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  He pops in on the show on occasion.
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  He said to me after rush died and I think this point I think
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  this is actually pretty good point in the like if Rush
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  Limbaugh was trying to Start out today.
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  He wouldn't be able like He'd he'd be a podcast or, or like,
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  you know, why would it? Or they would have never liked
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  giving him another chance on radio.
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  Yeah, he wouldn't get in. He didn't, he doesn't have the
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  qualifications, that that's one. I mean he went to school for
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  radio, but that's not a communications degree.
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  That's an old-school broadcasting degree, which is
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  like I'm saying, they're very different.
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  Alright, what you learn in Communications today in college
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  is nothing like what you would have learned in broadcasting, in
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  1970, or whatever. Yeah, and I, well, I mean he
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  dropped. I mean, he was a College
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  Dropout. To you know so like right.
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  That was that yeah that wouldn't it but like even if he had even
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  if he had gotten you know like had you know gone through the
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  process like he would have gotten fired just being him and
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  that wasn't it? Yeah, nowadays he wouldn't have
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  got past the first broadcast. He's the, he's the only reason
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  there was conservative talk radio, right?
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  Like he was the only one doing it in the 80s and 90s at all.
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  Yeah, at least until the late 90s, when other people realize
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  that there was a Mark. I mean, the guy was getting 30
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  to 60 million listeners every day, every day.
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  Now that number is inflated this thing about radio, the numbers
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  are kind of inflated because it's one, it's an estimate, they
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  can't actually tell how many people tuned in, but too.
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  It's, it's not everybody that listen to the full show, right?
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  It's anybody that scanned over the channel as the show was on.
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  Yeah. It's the elf 60 million.
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  People didn't actually listen to the full Rush Limbaugh Show
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  every day, but 60 million people were exposed to him for, I
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  forget how long you have to stay on the channel, it's like 30
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  seconds or something like that. Yeah, it was it's something.
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  It's the same reason. I go to fucking bat on YouTube
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  and Rumble to some degree about their fucking fake view counts.
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  Because when you're counting the numbers to show how good your
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  platform is doing, it gets a little dicey and I do I think
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  that all of these platforms fudge, their viewer numbers.
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  Yes, 100%. I do Rumble included.
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  Sorry, Rumble. But you I kind of do Merce.
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  Didn't get millions and millions of fucking views around.
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  Yeah. I know what you mean.
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  You mean to tell me that you mean to tell me that we didn't
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  like well and I mean that that's the But that's like the that is
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  also interesting was I don't know if I share this with you,
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  but like in the in like one of the last updates, they fixed a
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  lot of the viewer count. And it turns out that like into
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  turns out that contrary to what shmuel and, you know, in my
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  defense I kind of got excited about this too, but Schmeling, I
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  both thought that the current do a little interview had Like 600
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  views in the first week, right? That was kind of what it was
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  shaping up to be. I just want back and it turns
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  out that like, it's only like 300 still really good.
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  Just not like what we thought it was.
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  It was, I guess. So.
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  Like, you know, and that could have just been like, people like
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  that. And it comes down to what is a
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  view, right? This is what I was just talking
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  about. What is it?
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  You is of you. Somebody sits down and watches
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  the whole thing, a large portion of it and seconds of it.
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  Like it's hard to say with all of these companies, that's why I
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  say they all fudge the numbers because I think that they do,
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  I'm a subscriber to the dead internet theory that most people
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  that you're talking to our Bots and nothing has come about to
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  dissuade me from that position that you're talking to a lot of
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  people who aren't real. You're looking at a lot of
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  results. That are puffed up.
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  One thing you can do is do a Google search on pizza, right?
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  Just pizza the word pizza, if you do that it will tell you
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  that there are billions of responses but if you go through
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  them and you actually turn, you know, go next page, next page,
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  next page you only get to about 40 pages of responses and then
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  they run out. So it's certainly not 8 billion
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  responses, it's more like 150. Right, shit like that.
• 24:36
  And so when I say the radio, I don't trust their fucking
• 24:38
  numbers, you televisions the same way, you know how they get
• 24:41
  television ratings. What it's it's all Nielsen, its
• 24:46
  people at its people have a little fucking box that not
• 24:51
  anymore. Not anymore.
• 24:53
  It used to be in the 90s and early 2000s.
• 24:55
  They put a box in your house and that's how they could tell.
• 24:59
  So, if you're a Nielsen family, you essentially accounted for
• 25:03
  like a hundred other families in your vicinity, right.
• 25:06
  So oh well, they're watching the thing.
• 25:09
  We're going to estimate that. This many people is also
• 25:12
  watching the thing that's They used to get them how they get
• 25:14
  them. Now is even worse, Nielsen
• 25:17
  families. Don't just get a box anymore.
• 25:20
  They get a survey and you fill out the survey and they send you
• 25:25
  like a hundred bucks. And so your survey accounts for
• 25:32
  lots and lots more people in your area that probably don't
• 25:35
  have the same taste in television whose you and yeah,
• 25:39
  yeah, I was going to say that's as, as my friend, moorthy is
• 25:43
  likes to say that is sus as fuck.
• 25:47
  Well, in think about this, think about this, The demos writes
• 25:51
  demographics for those that are in the lingo of this kind of
• 25:55
  shit. How do they get 18 to 30?
• 26:00
  How many people eat? How many people 18 to 30?
• 26:03
  Do you think sit down and fill out a little booklet about every
• 26:07
  television that show they watched and then do a survey
• 26:11
  about how much they like them once a month for a small
• 26:15
  payment. How many people in that age
• 26:17
  bracket? Do you think actually do that?
• 26:20
  Like maybe five percent of we're being generous?
• 26:25
  I think 5% is way too generous and they actual number since it.
• 26:30
  Was a leading question because I do know the answer is less than
• 26:33
  1% less than 1% of people, between 18 and 30 are involved
• 26:37
  in the Nielsen rating system. So then, how are they telling us
• 26:43
  how many people are watching when they don't?
• 26:46
  It's well, even a representative sample, Well, then that will
• 26:51
  then that explains why, why we're always getting like shitty
• 26:56
  reality shows, like the Kardashians and yes, and
• 27:00
  whatever. This MILF man are like reality
• 27:03
  show is because it's that 1%, that is so dumb that they that
• 27:08
  they wobble that reality show crap right there.
• 27:12
  The one percent dumb enough to waste like hours and hours,
• 27:17
  watching, whatever on TV writing it all down for Said a hundred
• 27:20
  bucks, but I bet you that's way too high, but she's like, 20
• 27:23
  bucks. It used to be five back in the
• 27:27
  day it was five dollars so it can't be that high slit.
• 27:31
  Well I mean if I mean if I okay I but Boomers just just to
• 27:36
  contrast Boomers who are the most TV watching demographic?
• 27:42
  It's about five percent of Boomers who fill out the Nielsen
• 27:44
  stuff. So, yeah, this is why TV is
• 27:47
  Catered towards Boomers. And five children.
• 27:52
  My mother did not own a television like She did not have
• 27:57
  a television set like in her in her home when she was in her in
• 28:01
  her twenties at all. And then like she didn't even
• 28:07
  get it until she until she moved in with my dad.
• 28:12
  You know that. Like I mean that makes her an
• 28:16
  outlier because most Boomers. Oh yeah, no, no, no, she and I
• 28:19
  talked I thought all the time how she's an outlier.
• 28:22
  Yeah, most books Boomers. I put it like this Boomers were
• 28:25
  the Generation to have an imaginary friend in their home.
• 28:30
  The told them, they're the most special person on Earth from
• 28:33
  birth, and that's the television and the reason it told them that
• 28:37
  they were so special is because that was the demographic.
• 28:40
  They were advertising to, that's why there was so much kids
• 28:44
  content. And there were commercials in
• 28:46
  the 50s and 60s, they would put commercials for toys, even in
• 28:50
  the adult shows. Because back then they had the
• 28:52
  sense to know. Well, a lot of adults have kids,
• 28:54
  you know, TV was very fascinating.
• 29:00
  Well, yeah, and broadcasting. Like it's been a strange fucking
• 29:05
  trip through human history. Well to be honest, I do miss
• 29:09
  seeing cigarette ads in like comic books to that was proof.
• 29:14
  That was that was pretty fucking best.
• 29:17
  I'm going to be, you know. Yeah.
• 29:20
  Now you know you can't even have a character smoke even if it's
• 29:24
  part of their character because you can't show it on screen.
• 29:27
  And it's this, corpo people don't want to see life as it is.
• 29:32
  They want to see life idealized. No, that's not true.
• 29:36
  People relate more to life, as it is.
• 29:38
  Mars are know, there's a reason that more people relate to Peter
• 29:42
  Parker than Clark, Kent, right? Not to say that.
• 29:47
  People all hate Superman, that's not the case.
• 29:50
  A lot of people say they do, but it's not the people hate
• 29:53
  Superman. It's the Peter.
• 29:55
  Parker is the messy. Got shit going on.
• 29:59
  Can't figure out all his shit real life right.
• 30:03
  Superman who doesn't the only problem that he really has is
• 30:09
  not having Lois Lane find out that he's Superman, right?
• 30:13
  He does right real problems and so people gravitate toward the
• 30:17
  that's why I said, Peter Parker versus Clark.
• 30:19
  Kent. Not Spider-Man.
• 30:20
  Vs Superman. Because I think they both don't
• 30:24
  have real life problems when they're in costume, but when
• 30:28
  they're not in costume, Peter has a lot of relief crumbs
• 30:31
  people like that. It's the same with anything.
• 30:33
  If you can relate to something that you've been through or you
• 30:36
  can or you know, somebody who has or whatever it relates to
• 30:39
  you better than the cookie cutter clean, Corporal bullshit.
• 30:46
  Nobody lives to cookie-cutter clean.
• 30:47
  Corpo lifestyle. Nobody!
• 30:49
  We all, like the corporal's. Don't want you to know this.
• 30:54
  But we all take shits. Big sloppy shit's.
• 31:01
  Mine are human. We are Fallen.
• 31:03
  We are whatever, right? We're not beyond what we are,
• 31:08
  you know? But we if you want to try and
• 31:09
  pretend like this is the clean corporate world, where
• 31:12
  everything's perfect move like a people died at Disney World,
• 31:16
  okay wait, give me a break, come on the happiest.
• 31:20
  Place on Earth motherfuckers, be croaking.
• 31:27
  Yeah, I know that. That is true.
• 31:30
  Um they they don't like it though.
• 31:32
  They fucking. If people are like dying on
• 31:35
  Disney this is like a thing. They actually take them out of
• 31:38
  Disney so that they don't die at Disney if they can help it so
• 31:42
  silly. It's like, bro, people are gonna
• 31:45
  die. You know what I mean?
• 31:48
  A small percentage of people in a situation are going to fucking
• 31:51
  die if you have, as many people that go to Disneyland every
• 31:54
  year, Disney World, or whatever, the fuck somebody is going to
• 31:58
  not be in the greatest of Health, some accident is going
• 32:01
  to happen, right? Should happens.
• 32:05
  You know, that's life. And that's, that is why the
• 32:08
  corpo clean crisp broadcasting is dying.
• 32:13
  A very Horrific death whereas podcasting which is unclean so
• 32:22
  to speak. It's very raw.
• 32:25
  I mean this is about as real as it gets two guys with fucking
• 32:28
  microphone talking shit. People like that, right?
• 32:33
  Whether it be Joe Rogan, right? Like, let's not even it's not
• 32:35
  even talk. Politic podcast of people
• 32:37
  fucking love. Joe Rogan, most of the time, he
• 32:40
  ain't talking about politics once the time.
• 32:42
  He's talking about, dude, we didn't fucking Machine elves and
• 32:46
  all that other fucking crap he's into, right?
• 32:49
  And people love that shit that is clean, that ain't corporate.
• 32:53
  It was worth what 200 million dollars to Spotify, though.
• 32:57
  Right? Well, and that will.
• 32:59
  And that's, that's the whole thing too.
• 33:01
  Is, I think, you know, it's funny that you mentioned like
• 33:07
  this show. One of the other thing things is
• 33:09
  appealing a podcasting to is, you can mix it.
• 33:13
  You can mix it up. You can mix it up to as we've
• 33:16
  done because like when I was, when I started podcasting, like
• 33:22
  you had your political body as and then you add your sport
• 33:25
  podcasts and then you had your There were all these categories.
• 33:29
  And now it's like freeform, you know, we talked about in
• 33:32
  politics, we talked how we've talked about radio, just the
• 33:36
  technicals of it for the past, you know.
• 33:41
  It's not even but the technicals it's mostly like radio
• 33:44
  Nostalgia. But yeah.
• 33:47
  Look that's my background right? And it's, you know, important
• 33:52
  that I can actually share some stuff that people don't know.
• 33:55
  Like most people have never been behind the scenes in the music
• 33:58
  industry at all and like, people love that show.
• 34:02
  I mean that's why there's all these successful, wait Behind
• 34:04
  the Music and shit people love. But it's it sounds great when
• 34:11
  you're talking about Ossie sniffing lines of ants, right?
• 34:14
  It sounds crazy. And Fantastical when you're
• 34:18
  talking about like what Motley Crue got up to in the 80s or
• 34:21
  something but the, the majority of the music industry is boring
• 34:27
  is grind. E is the creativity is just sat
• 34:34
  right the fuck out of it. This is why Most artists went in
• 34:38
  D. The one smart thing is like the
• 34:40
  music industry side of things on.
• 34:42
  I've been talking about radio all this time, right, but where
• 34:45
  do the record labels fall? Well, they have been on the ball
• 34:50
  and I don't think people realize it.
• 34:52
  They have digitized very smartly in one other way.
• 34:56
  They've kind of modernized as well.
• 34:59
  You see, nowadays, you don't get signed to a major record label
• 35:03
  anymore. Right, right, that's not right.
• 35:07
  That's not what happens. What happens is.
• 35:09
  You start your own record label and then they suck.
• 35:14
  They bring you in under their Banner reason, being is all
• 35:19
  they're going to do is publish your CDs, this it or get your
• 35:23
  music on to Spotify or whatever they're not going to.
• 35:26
  Except in rare cases, fund you to make the album like, you have
• 35:31
  to do that yourself. Now, for the most part, unless
• 35:34
  you're well-known late, If you're fucking Metallica, then
• 35:38
  somebody's going to pay for your fucking recording, right?
• 35:41
  But if your up-and-coming band or rapper, or whatever you have
• 35:44
  to fucking do that yourself, you have to do set up your own
• 35:48
  tours. You have to create and sell your
• 35:50
  own merchandise and they offloaded all of that shit from
• 35:54
  the record labels onto the individual artists.
• 35:57
  So, even artists and you might be thinking, oh, that sounds
• 35:59
  like independent artist, right? But Kanye West is an independent
• 36:06
  artist, right? Eminem is an independent artist
• 36:09
  dr. Dre is an independent artist,
• 36:12
  all of them have their own record labels in a distribution
• 36:14
  deal. That's how the industry works
• 36:16
  now and It's smart on their part and they what they did is they
• 36:23
  watched all these independent labels, we're the only thing
• 36:27
  they really needed was somebody to print their CDs and in some
• 36:30
  point in the mid 2000s they were like, hey yo, what if we print
• 36:34
  your CDs for you you know, and they were like that would make
• 36:39
  things a lot. All these Indie artists that
• 36:41
  would make things a lot easier. I already know because they
• 36:44
  missed out on the era where the right record labels did all that
• 36:46
  shit for you, right? So it's very DIY to get
• 36:49
  yourself. Notice in the music industry now
• 36:51
  right, get Word of Mouth out there.
• 36:53
  You have to have that viral video.
• 36:55
  You have to have something for them to even pay attention to
• 36:58
  you, right? It's, that's why so many
• 37:03
  artists, just release their music online.
• 37:05
  If you ever wondered, there's so many independent artist.
• 37:08
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:09
  And for free most of the time and then they ask you to go buy
• 37:13
  the full download of the fucking album or whatever but you can
• 37:16
  totally stream it on Spotify, they do that because the money
• 37:20
  is not in the record sales and it never really was except for
• 37:23
  the record label. Right?
• 37:25
  The money touring in merchandise, that's where it's
• 37:28
  always been. Yeah.
• 37:30
  Well, and, and now like, I I have a, I have a lady friend who
• 37:35
  I went to high school with who she is.
• 37:41
  She's now like she's now an she's an indie artist.
• 37:45
  She's an indie country artist and she releases all of her
• 37:51
  songs as singles. Yeah.
• 37:55
  And I and I actually talked to her, we still chat like on, you
• 38:00
  know, Facebook messenger and I asked her.
• 38:03
  I'm like so, when are you going to release, you know, an album
• 38:08
  of music? And she's like, she's like, are
• 38:10
  you kidding me? It's Too expensive to produce to
• 38:12
  produce a whole album. It's expensive just to get, you
• 38:15
  know, not the time for one single.
• 38:18
  That's that's how a lot of artists do it.
• 38:21
  And what I would suggest to this woman is what a lot of them end
• 38:24
  up doing. Take those singles, right?
• 38:28
  Put them on a record, have 300 copies, made selling for twenty
• 38:32
  bucks, your fans will buy that shit.
• 38:36
  Oh yeah. You know what I mean?
• 38:38
  And that's the thing you do when you're doing it all yourself,
• 38:41
  like that, you actually don't need to make all that much
• 38:43
  money. Here's a great.
• 38:45
  I hate to get too much into the music Biz stuff, but it, but
• 38:48
  it's, you know, it is interesting.
• 38:50
  When you think about it, how much money when he was signed,
• 38:54
  not now, because now it's the whole independent thing, but
• 38:57
  when he was signed to a record deal, how much money per album?
• 39:02
  Do you think the Eminem got mind?
• 39:05
  You the Average price of an album at the time was $15.
• 39:09
  What part of that $15? Do you think Eminem receive be?
• 39:12
  And I pick Eminem because he was the biggest artists in the world
• 39:15
  at the time, right? Okay.
• 39:17
  Okay. You're asking how much money he
• 39:19
  received personally per record. Yes.
• 39:23
  Okay. And we're talking after, We're
• 39:28
  talking after Studio fees. Have Personnel, gets paid after
• 39:32
  everybody gets their cut. What is Eminem's cut?
• 39:37
  from $15, probably like A dollar 25, maybe?
• 39:45
  Yeah, yeah, actually, now because it's the same genre, but
• 39:50
  not a big, big label, right? The Insane, Clown Posse own
• 39:54
  their own record label. They were one of the first
• 39:56
  independent record labels in the country.
• 39:58
  How much do you think they made per record?
• 40:00
  They sold a lot less, right? A lot less, right?
• 40:04
  Eminem. Sold like 15 million of one of
• 40:06
  his records. Their biggest selling record of
• 40:09
  all time was 2 million and that was a mistake.
• 40:11
  Studio. So that one doesn't even count
• 40:13
  towards this. So we're talking.
• 40:14
  They sell maybe 500 to 700 thousand records.
• 40:18
  How much do you think an independent artist at the same
• 40:20
  time? Period, got per record.
• 40:23
  Probably like 12 dollars. You're actually really good at
• 40:28
  this. You're actually really good at
• 40:31
  this. Most people don't know that.
• 40:32
  Well, yeah, that wouldn't even be able to guess.
• 40:35
  Well, yeah, an independent, the point being an independent
• 40:38
  artist made ten times as much per record sold as the biggest
• 40:45
  artists in the world. Yeah, so I mean, the other thing
• 40:49
  too, is my, my late grandfather. The one who had Just has to
• 40:54
  February. He was in, he was in publishing,
• 40:59
  he wrote like to, why was in publishing?
• 41:02
  He was he was in Human Resources.
• 41:06
  Back in the bag Works. He worked at a publisher to some
• 41:09
  degree. I like he's in.
• 41:10
  Yeah, I would call that in publishing.
• 41:13
  Well, well point is, is he wrote he wrote to business books.
• 41:20
  That were like, very successful back in the 80s.
• 41:26
  And so, he, he worked with the traditional publishing method
• 41:32
  and he explained the process of like, writing the manuscript and
• 41:36
  that having to meet with agents and doing the revisions and all
• 41:40
  that stuff. And he said it was a pain in the
• 41:42
  ass that was all, you know, you had then went then when I moved
• 41:48
  to Florida like Almost 10 years ago now that was when Amazon and
• 41:55
  yes, yes, I know the audience. I know that are my audience
• 42:00
  hates Amazon because big corporate or whatever.
• 42:04
  I okay, I get that. But as core pose go, I don't
• 42:07
  find them particularly bad. Well, neither, do I specifically
• 42:12
  for this reason around the time I moved here, they they opened
• 42:18
  up kindle. Crate and basically said, hey,
• 42:22
  you know, what, we're gonna, what anyone publish their books
• 42:26
  on, you know, Kindle and we're just going to, you know, open up
• 42:35
  the marketplace. So, long story short, my
• 42:38
  grandfather was still very Savvy.
• 42:40
  Took one of these books that you had written back in like 1990
• 42:46
  reworked a bit. Because he was very Savvy.
• 42:51
  He understood like, social, media and whatnot.
• 42:53
  Any kind of rewrote it to make it, you know, more, I guess,
• 42:59
  updated for the time published it on Amazon Kindle.
• 43:06
  And now was a New York Times bestseller.
• 43:09
  No. But he actually sold a couple
• 43:12
  hundred but he was able to expose, copies it, take take,
• 43:16
  take something old right, he was able to take something.
• 43:20
  He'd already done and rework it and sell it for more.
• 43:23
  There's a guy that does that in gaping, I can't think of his
• 43:27
  name spiderweb games. They've been making like these
• 43:30
  really long, really autistic RPG games since the 90s but they're
• 43:34
  good right there. Well written there, well put
• 43:36
  together and he's been remastering those games every
• 43:40
  couple of years to make sure that they're like as modern as
• 43:43
  can be for fucking 25 years and he makes a lot of money doing
• 43:48
  it. I don't think he's released a
• 43:49
  new. New game in like 15 years, he
• 43:52
  just keeps remaster in the old ones and more power to them, but
• 43:56
  that's the power of self-publishing.
• 43:58
  And that's why I walked away from radio.
• 44:00
  And when I said I was in the music.
• 44:02
  Yeah. I only dealt with Indie artists,
• 44:04
  right? I never it's the same with like,
• 44:08
  you know, I've published a couple books through
• 44:11
  self-publishing back in the day, nothing I would chill, or
• 44:16
  anybody would go find but that was like, It was like magic, you
• 44:24
  know, like you could just publish, you know, and the
• 44:27
  internet's. The same thing to me when I
• 44:29
  first heard about internet radio, after I had just left the
• 44:32
  radio, I was like this is amazing.
• 44:36
  I can just do a show now back then back admired a but we were
• 44:41
  covered by the radio loophole on the radio loopholes.
• 44:44
  Yes. That if you're a radio station,
• 44:46
  you can play music and so I did I've played music for years.
• 44:51
  Ears. I got rid of my 3 a.m. time
• 44:55
  slot. I got the midnight time slot
• 44:58
  which is actually really good for the radio and particularly
• 45:01
  the kind of shit that I was playing.
• 45:03
  And, and it fucking was amazing. I no one ever told me what to
• 45:07
  say, not once. Yeah, that the guy that ran the
• 45:10
  station was like, yeah, he say whatever you want when I when I
• 45:14
  started pot, when I started podcasting, you could still
• 45:18
  play. Like you could still play like
• 45:22
  Actual like and when I say actual music, I don't mean to.
• 45:27
  I don't mean that like royalty free music isn't still music
• 45:31
  because it is but you know you could play it like songs like
• 45:35
  people new. So like I would play like the
• 45:40
  Beatles as like bumper music on One show and then like the who
• 45:48
  you know, I would have liked a rotation well.
• 45:51
  What I was, I was kind of limited on that in, in the sense
• 45:56
  like I was serving in audience. Well, you know, that audience
• 46:00
  wanted like Cutting Edge hardcore underground, hip hop in
• 46:06
  metal and there. And that's what we play.
• 46:09
  But that never stopped me from playing Johnny Cash.
• 46:11
  Then never stopped me from playing shit that I like.
• 46:15
  And the other thing is and this was like I still think that this
• 46:18
  was so groundbreaking for the time and I wish I could do.
• 46:21
  Like this today. But I don't think it's possible
• 46:24
  where I used to just say set because it was Internet.
• 46:28
  It's a whole different format, you can interact with people.
• 46:31
  That was my favorite fucking part, interact with the audience
• 46:33
  directly not just callings anymore but you have a chat and
• 46:37
  you have like people can send you stuff.
• 46:39
  And so I was like hey this is a 2004 2005, send me your shitty
• 46:45
  rap song, I'll play it and then the audience will vote on it and
• 46:49
  if people like it I'll play it. In rotation and yeah, I
• 46:54
  discovered I met lifelong friends that way, great artists
• 46:59
  that I've been friends with for a very long time Loki actually
• 47:03
  submitted to me, one of his songs in those days and it was
• 47:08
  so fucking good. I didn't even care what the
• 47:10
  audience vote, as I'ma play this again.
• 47:14
  Fuck you. Yeah.
• 47:16
  But they all loved it and so I got him in and did an interview
• 47:19
  with him, talked to him about music.
• 47:22
  I've done a couple interviews with Loki over the years.
• 47:23
  He's really cool guy, but that's how it used to be.
• 47:27
  They was just the wild west we're playing music.
• 47:29
  We're trying to figure out the format trying to figure out how
• 47:32
  you interact with the audience, right?
• 47:35
  A lot of people why people still haven't figured that part out.
• 47:38
  Interacting with the chat online is tricky business, if you're
• 47:41
  fucking stupid. Well yeah, I mean so here's
• 47:47
  coach. It pro tip for streamers,
• 47:49
  somebody says something super nasty and chat but It actually
• 47:52
  upsets you just don't read it just just ignore them.
• 47:56
  Yeah, yeah don't yeah don't don't well it also Pro tip don't
• 48:02
  be like Owen Benjamin in the literally read the chat out
• 48:07
  loud. Why can't ya as you're reading
• 48:11
  it for the first time because that's that's what trolls count
• 48:15
  on its. You not also also shout-out to a
• 48:19
  silly Kelly for 20 in the chat who also guess.
• 48:21
  It's $1 for Eminem. Oh, excellent and see.
• 48:29
  And that's how you interact with chat.
• 48:31
  I saw something positive and I said it, but the other thing is,
• 48:35
  is have a sense of humor, right? Because I know if I read
• 48:40
  something mean, says something mean, written about Sam and
• 48:43
  chat, he's just gonna laugh, right?
• 48:47
  And so like that's what you do, you do, you know, you could
• 48:51
  always be like little chat That's gonna that's gonna wind
• 48:59
  you up on kiwi Farms, though. You know, and live stream fails
• 49:03
  and everything else like wow, chat does what chat does you
• 49:07
  just gotta let him do it. Yeah and you know on the fat
• 49:10
  side though, don't ban them. Yeah I mean that is that is
• 49:15
  another thing though is I is okay so like I wasn't I wasn't
• 49:21
  missing like trained like broadcasting, but like having
• 49:28
  grown up wasn't was having grown up like wasn't him to Rush
• 49:32
  Limbaugh as often as I did. Like there's certain like
• 49:37
  etiquette or I when I went to groans the etiquette, but
• 49:41
  there's stuff you pick up along the way and stuff.
• 49:46
  I picked up that I, you know, to this day audiences He's a shit
• 49:51
  and it is a big thing that rush I was talking about like he
• 49:55
  wouldn't be here you said I wouldn't be here if it wasn't
• 49:59
  for the audience and that is night and day from someone who's
• 50:04
  like from someone like and I know this is a horrible example
• 50:09
  but Ethan Ralph. Who's like I'm the greatest in
• 50:12
  the sector, you know? You all ain't shit without me
• 50:20
  you know and give me money. Basically right.
• 50:26
  Like, like all the things that you don't do in radio Ralph does
• 50:34
  and he has done for you. It's, I would say, not just him,
• 50:39
  most streamers are particularly the grift types, right?
• 50:42
  That are constantly begging for donations goes against
• 50:46
  everything, traditional radio stands for You're not supposed
• 50:51
  to ask them to just throw money at you, you're supposed to sell
• 50:54
  them, something? Well yeah, which which by the
• 50:58
  way because spoiler alert eventually people resent you.
• 51:03
  When you're constantly being like, I need you to send me
• 51:06
  money right now. Yeah, yeah we yeah.
• 51:12
  So there's there's a guy East on Twitter, but back, during back
• 51:19
  when I was back, When I was kind of back when I was kind of like
• 51:23
  watching Owen Benjamin for the walls.
• 51:27
  This was after, you know, the group had left thing, like, we
• 51:32
  were watching Owen and evil, Eric, who was in our, like, hang
• 51:39
  out group goes, my God, this is, this is, this is worse than NPR
• 51:45
  public radio at this point, because Owen was literally doing
• 51:50
  like the we need your donations to keep, you know, this thing
• 51:55
  going just like NPR used to do and still do and yeah but at
• 52:01
  least in the case of NPR PBS or whatever, they're like publicly
• 52:05
  funded and they're not allowed to have like a corporate backer
• 52:09
  and so it like makes sense but also also in the case of PBS and
• 52:13
  NPR they do that spot once an hour.
• 52:18
  These guys will do it every five minutes, you know what I'm
• 52:20
  saying? And then they get pissy, you
• 52:22
  mentioned audience appreciation. I've never seen less of that
• 52:27
  than from streamers who didn't meet their goal.
• 52:30
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tara Groves say what you will
• 52:35
  about Terry Gross, but she's not Banning people from chat because
• 52:41
  because they made a meme that hurt their fear, that her
• 52:46
  feelings, Right. Yep.
• 52:53
  I mean, it's a, it's a wild world.
• 52:56
  Now is streaming Lee. You never like, I'm still
• 52:59
  learning new shit all the time. Oh, yeah.
• 53:01
  No, I'm not. I'm not saying that.
• 53:04
  It's not. We're all still learning.
• 53:06
  I'm just saying that. Like, I think, oh, I think a lot
• 53:10
  of these people who aren't streaming.
• 53:14
  I don't think they ever like watch like, an even like a
• 53:18
  regular, like, welcome news broadcast before because Cuz
• 53:24
  they just have, like, no. Technique, what's up?
• 53:29
  What's up? Her for right now?
• 53:30
  It seems or broadcasting of any kind.
• 53:35
  Yeah. I mean I took a lot of
• 53:38
  broadcasting classes and things and I still am not.
• 53:44
  It is because I haven't been in radio the whole time, right?
• 53:47
  And I've been doing her thing, so I'm less disciplined than
• 53:50
  maybe. I should be, there's a bit more
• 53:53
  arms and Oz, but one thing I'm great at is fill in dead are
• 53:57
  right with whatever, like people aren't even people think I'm
• 54:00
  being rude to because they've never been in traditional media
• 54:04
  of any kind and so like you'll be not like I do this on your
• 54:08
  show all the time if you're not talking and it doesn't look like
• 54:11
  you have something to say imminently.
• 54:14
  I'm going to fill for time, does that because it's Instinct for
• 54:18
  me because I've been doing this kind of content for so long, and
• 54:22
  yeah, we got doing it to step over them.
• 54:24
  It's not. It's just if you leave five
• 54:27
  seconds of dead air, that's torture to an audience.
• 54:32
  Which ladies and gentlemen is one of the reasons it's I mean
• 54:36
  it's not the reason but it is one of the reasons why I wanted
• 54:40
  to bring Max onto the show and why he is here because he's good
• 54:43
  at filling. You know, dead air and when you
• 54:47
  have to manage when I have to manage tabs and you know what,
• 54:51
  not and gather stuff for the show, it's not always easy for
• 54:56
  me for me to multitask. So from the forever shmuly to
• 55:01
  fill dead are, you know, it's it's a, it's a win-win.
• 55:07
  He gets to say insightful shit people.
• 55:09
  You people realize how important that is, I'm not just
• 55:12
  bullshitting to talk over, Sam. I'm not just trying to drown
• 55:16
  everybody out. I'm not trying to be the focal
• 55:18
  point of the show. It's just like, okay, nobody's
• 55:23
  saying anything. It's y'all got to carry the
• 55:25
  conversation forward. That's something that was beat
• 55:27
  in to me quite extensively in the early days and that's one
• 55:33
  you know II still screw up and I almond on occasion.
• 55:37
  Yeah I use I use local vernacular that maybe not
• 55:41
  everybody understands you're not supposed to do that either but I
• 55:44
  think Wicked cool. Anyway.
• 55:46
  The but huh, love it. Well, what the whole arms and
• 55:53
  ours thing to? As I just said that, do you
• 55:58
  think that's really that much of an issue now with like
• 56:01
  podcasting? No.
• 56:03
  Because the bar has been lowered solo, like ever writes,
• 56:07
  everyone's Tick-Tock livestreams.
• 56:09
  I've watched you Tick. Tock life.
• 56:11
  Oh God. I well let me put it this way.
• 56:14
  I've never lied. I've never watched a whole Tik
• 56:16
  Tok why I've just run bitch with her phone like hey guys, I'm so
• 56:22
  cool. And they're always looking like
• 56:24
  like I'm trying to do the eye thing where I'm not looking at
• 56:26
  the phone and then looking at it because they do that and they
• 56:30
  almond aw and they sit there. I don't know, five minutes.
• 56:34
  I mean, God Ralph does this rate?
• 56:36
  He just sits there and doesn't say anything and he's like
• 56:40
  watching CNN or something like that.
• 56:43
  I could never, I could never do that.
• 56:45
  I do reaction stuff. Right?
• 56:48
  But you've seen my show with, if I have reaction stuff a I have
• 56:52
  it all set ready to go. Be there's a lot more of me
• 56:55
  talking. In fact, that's half the problem
• 56:58
  when we try to get through a dice golden film which is 5
• 57:01
  hours fucking long, I'm stopping to talk about it.
• 57:05
  Luckily that film ground me down to where I didn't have much to
• 57:08
  say about two hours in. But I did speaking of audience
• 57:12
  appreciation, I did promise my audience.
• 57:14
  We would watch the whole fucking thing and you sure did.
• 57:17
  Well, that's what's so that that's what's so frustrating out
• 57:21
  like about. Like, you know, again, I'll
• 57:24
  break up murch and Ralph to some extent is like Merce.
• 57:29
  Take constant, smoke breaks. Which is it just leaves?
• 57:34
  He just leaves. I swear to God if I ever did
• 57:38
  that on even internet radio like I guess I guess the cool thing
• 57:43
  with no radio is. I could play three songs in a
• 57:45
  row and go take a piss, right? Well yeah, what at what I'm
• 57:49
  saying? What I'm saying though Max is
• 57:51
  like You know he he make like if anything backs were putting too
• 57:58
  much effort into the show and not make you know money if we
• 58:01
  were if we were my problem for years man I am an overachiever
• 58:05
  like I'm an artiste God damn it. So I mean so am I like maybe if
• 58:11
  maybe if I just like left maybe I just started this treatment
• 58:14
  and love to for 20 minutes maybe we would get like five hundred
• 58:18
  dollars or something because it seems like Like it seemed like
• 58:25
  all these streamers who just like, but next to nothing, or
• 58:29
  just are constantly yelling at chat, make what I think it is.
• 58:34
  You know what I think it is is we don't come off like guys who
• 58:37
  need the donations. Right.
• 58:41
  Like, we're not because we're not constantly begging and
• 58:43
  complaining about being poor and saying, I just need $50 to get
• 58:48
  through the fucking week. So, like people don't like, they
• 58:51
  don't feel bad for us, you know what you find, because don't
• 58:55
  donate to me, I don't need your money, right?
• 58:58
  Donate to Sam you so he can make this a career.
• 59:02
  Yeah, dude, it's not a career for me though.
• 59:04
  Or you know, the other. The other thing too is, you
• 59:08
  know, it is summertime. I'm folks and it is you know you
• 59:13
  need to protect your eyes. So you know, how to sell them.
• 59:18
  A product Sammy head down to the to the links for the show.
• 59:23
  And, you know, click on the affiliate link for shady rays
• 59:27
  and get yourself 35 percent off your first pair and, you know,
• 59:34
  in, hey intern, that'll give me 35 percent off another pair and
• 59:39
  I'll get some money. So, you know, what are you
• 59:42
  waiting for sunglasses? At the fraction of a price of
• 59:46
  Ray-Bans in my fragment of price?
• 59:49
  I mean fifty dollars compared to like $200, can't beat that and
• 59:55
  then 35% off that plus free shipping and upwa.
• 1:00:01
  Let me ask you this, am coming up, let me ask you this.
• 1:00:04
  Have you ever been out, right? It's a beautiful bright sunny
• 1:00:08
  day, right? And you go down to the beach.
• 1:00:10
  Each right? And there's this beautiful girl
• 1:00:12
  at the beach and you're looking at her, and her little bikini
• 1:00:16
  and you're like, wow, she's beautiful.
• 1:00:18
  But then the sun is so goddamn, right?
• 1:00:21
  It's so goddamn bright out that you can't appreciate this
• 1:00:25
  beautiful site said before you, and that is the moment where
• 1:00:30
  you're going to wish that you had some fucking shady race.
• 1:00:32
  So click the link. Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  And that, ladies and gentlemen, the same school, add read Style.
• 1:00:42
  See, you see were even read it word.
• 1:00:45
  Been rethinking the address into the show contact but, but you
• 1:00:51
  know who can't do it as read or have an app, or even an ad to
• 1:00:56
  save his life or his campaign is Rhonda sanctimonious.
• 1:01:03
  So let me ask you this, have you ever been a guy?
• 1:01:08
  That's got a lot of potential. Maybe you could one day, run for
• 1:01:10
  president and Decided. Yeah, fuck all that, I'm Rhonda
• 1:01:18
  Santa's. Not me.
• 1:01:21
  I voted for a guy who unfortunately has no.
• 1:01:27
  Here's a, here's a real question is, have you ever have you ever
• 1:01:32
  had like a friend who has potential to do a whole lot and
• 1:01:37
  becomes a pussy-whipped Bitch by some broad?
• 1:01:40
  Yes. No, no, it's a serious
• 1:01:45
  comparison. I think in a way, right?
• 1:01:47
  Is like, you got that buddy, right?
• 1:01:49
  And in my case, it was actually my brother one of my brothers
• 1:01:53
  and he has this girlfriend and all the sudden he turns into.
• 1:01:58
  Yes, dear, you know, and he's doing shit that we would never
• 1:02:02
  do that. Like, why would you wear that
• 1:02:04
  stupid fucking shirt, bro. What is wrong with you?
• 1:02:07
  Hmm. Girlfriend likes it.
• 1:02:10
  The girlfriend she is. It's me feel special.
• 1:02:12
  That's Ron DeSantis right now with the unit party.
• 1:02:17
  He is a pussy-whipped, bitch. So yeah, I think we can agree on
• 1:02:23
  that. But like, and in all honesty,
• 1:02:26
  like I was sitting on the I went, I was sitting on the
• 1:02:29
  fence, but I was so kind, like, okay, well if Trump doesn't get
• 1:02:34
  in, maybe I could vote for him. But now with him doing that,
• 1:02:38
  like Okay, so here's my question.
• 1:02:42
  The defect is it the Deep fake or is it?
• 1:02:45
  Yeah. Because there's a couple things
• 1:02:47
  he's done recently, but the deed fake is pretty rough.
• 1:02:51
  Okay. Yeah.
• 1:02:51
  So specifically, with the deal with the Deep fake, right?
• 1:02:56
  The the the argument for DeSantis that, you know, that
• 1:03:01
  we've always heard from the Ron cambers.
• 1:03:05
  Well, he's Trump without Trump's asshole, wish behavior and he's
• 1:03:09
  not a Only like Trump but I'm sorry.
• 1:03:13
  Ron kind of through that kind of threw that through out the
• 1:03:17
  fucking window when he, when he, when he unleashed the dirtiest
• 1:03:22
  campaign ad of all time. There are, this is worse than
• 1:03:28
  when George w--. Bush.
• 1:03:31
  Said, that, John McCain, had an illegitimate black son.
• 1:03:35
  It's actually worse attack than that, I would say.
• 1:03:39
  Wait, fake. It's fucking fake.
• 1:03:45
  Oh yeah, yeah. Like Trump like let's, let's not
• 1:03:49
  fucking pretend like actual history.
• 1:03:51
  Didn't happen. I watched dirt when they were
• 1:03:54
  doing those the news conferences with Trump every day during the
• 1:03:58
  pandemic, I watched all of them. I watched it until they stop
• 1:04:01
  showing it. So you right now that this
• 1:04:06
  notion that Trump agreed with fauci.
• 1:04:09
  Where the fuck did that come from this?
• 1:04:12
  Trump lambasted fauci on National Television many, many
• 1:04:17
  times and said he was wrong, and he was more lean in on that
• 1:04:21
  whatever the other broad that they ended up firing.
• 1:04:24
  He listened to her a hell of a lot more.
• 1:04:26
  He was a lot more respectful to her.
• 1:04:27
  He was not nice to fauci. That's why that's why the left
• 1:04:31
  started to love fauci is because they saw him as being picked on
• 1:04:35
  by Trump and Trump Yad. Like they and and there were
• 1:04:40
  some things early on, especially the Trump agreed with him on but
• 1:04:44
  like yeah, newsflash to all the people angry about fauci lying.
• 1:04:48
  He lied to Trump to. Yeah, figured it out and started
• 1:04:52
  calling him out on it. Then if you notice, when he
• 1:04:55
  really started calling fauci out in press conferences and those
• 1:04:58
  are all a matter of public record, you go back and watch
• 1:05:00
  him. And you see if what I'm saying
• 1:05:02
  is fucking true but the last like weeks worth he was in fauci
• 1:05:06
  fucking face. He was saying, I don't know,
• 1:05:08
  maybe we should fire him and get somebody else in here and that
• 1:05:12
  was when all the major networks said we're not going to cover
• 1:05:14
  the press conference anymore. Yeah.
• 1:05:17
  Yeah. Well and willing to be fair in
• 1:05:19
  the very big and the very beginning of the pandemic, no
• 1:05:22
  one knew what the fuck. Covid-19.
• 1:05:47
  We're valid and we found them to be not as big a deal as we
• 1:05:52
  thought one of the questions was, will the hospital's be
• 1:05:55
  overrun? That was a serious concern.
• 1:05:58
  I understand that. A lot of people now are like,
• 1:06:00
  well, covid-19 ever that bad, it was never gonna.
• 1:06:02
  We didn't know that, right? And so the idea of like, okay?
• 1:06:06
  Okay, everybody stay home for about two weeks.
• 1:06:09
  So we can figure this out and see the capacity of the
• 1:06:13
  hospitals and maybe work on, you know, it true.
• 1:06:17
  Even specifically said Therapeutics he didn't even say
• 1:06:19
  the vaccine at first. He said Therapeutics because the
• 1:06:22
  repute ixora actually going to make a bigger deal than a
• 1:06:24
  vaccine that's true with the flu.
• 1:06:26
  It's true with everything, right?
• 1:06:27
  If you have a med that you can take to make to mitigate the
• 1:06:30
  symptoms, that's actually better than a vaccine in a lot of ways.
• 1:06:34
  Yeah but that was all that was all reasonable.
• 1:06:37
  It's that at that point I feel like fauci knew he had them by
• 1:06:42
  the balls and suddenly he was the dictator of Earth and he
• 1:06:46
  wasn't going to let that go. And in the news media, loved him
• 1:06:50
  for it, so they pushed him to and but Trump trump was not
• 1:06:55
  hugging dr. Fauci, during those press
• 1:06:58
  conferences, he called him a son of a bitch at one point like
• 1:07:03
  nobody remembers. This was I the only one there?
• 1:07:07
  No problem. Trump isn't buddies with fauci
• 1:07:10
  Jesus? No, I, and, I could expect that
• 1:07:14
  attack maybe from a Democrat but to, um, from Rhonda Santa's when
• 1:07:19
  I say to sell out, man, he's de Brutus now, right?
• 1:07:23
  Rhonda Brutus dabbing his Caesar right in the fucking back and
• 1:07:29
  it's gotten so bad, that even a lot of the people who were like,
• 1:07:34
  even a lot of the people I know who were for DeSantis that I
• 1:07:39
  respect. They're like, well, I can try
• 1:07:43
  vote for. I'm not sure I can vote for de
• 1:07:45
  santis now, he really fuck. Yeah, fucked up.
• 1:07:49
  Now, he can be deep fake to Santa's or dishonest to Santas.
• 1:07:54
  I call. I some new ones, I I believe
• 1:07:57
  that called and deep fake to Sanders yesterday, or let me see
• 1:08:04
  what Did I what did I call my mom?
• 1:08:07
  I loved it. I loved it because like, here's
• 1:08:09
  a little Insider for the fucking The Listener.
• 1:08:13
  Sam comes into other gilded server and he's just like, did
• 1:08:17
  DeSantis really do a deep fake ad on Trump?
• 1:08:21
  And I was like yes. And he is like, no really really
• 1:08:25
  are you kidding me? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:30
  I'm I'm like I'm like the Des and azra and then Max like yes.
• 1:08:35
  And then I'm like And I'm like, oh Morty has actually sent me
• 1:08:40
  the thing, holy shit, this is this is fucking bad.
• 1:08:44
  So I don't know how they thought that wasn't going to go badly.
• 1:08:51
  That like that's that's the Miller that well, that's the
• 1:08:55
  million-dollar question, right? Like who thought that that was
• 1:08:59
  going to work. I don't know.
• 1:09:04
  I it's the same thing. I've been asking, I said I had a
• 1:09:06
  theory for you earlier, so I but I wanted to get it on.
• 1:09:09
  Air is, why is he going to run at all?
• 1:09:14
  Because he knows the Trump is just trouncing him in the polls.
• 1:09:18
  It didn't make sense. I kept saying this on the show,
• 1:09:20
  why are you doing this to yourself?
• 1:09:24
  And I think I figured out the answer.
• 1:09:26
  Yeah, I know. Because they told him somebody
• 1:09:30
  told him. Well, hey, if we don't get On
• 1:09:33
  the Manhattan charges. Then we're going to get them on
• 1:09:36
  these new doj charges are coming out because what are the odds
• 1:09:39
  that DeSantis announces and then just a few days later they
• 1:09:42
  charge Trump with 32 fucking counts.
• 1:09:48
  Yeah. Yeah I do think DeSantis is the
• 1:09:51
  face of the unit party and more than that I think this is this
• 1:09:55
  is the hot take. I think the Democrats want to
• 1:09:59
  get Trump out of the way. And I think they want to see it
• 1:10:03
  just to beat Biden. And the reason is because they
• 1:10:07
  don't want another four years of Biden because he doesn't listen
• 1:10:11
  to them, he doesn't. This is think about Biden, like
• 1:10:14
  a bunch of right-wingers wouldn't understand is that the
• 1:10:17
  left wing doesn't like what Biden's doing either.
• 1:10:21
  They're not happy with him at all because either he's not
• 1:10:23
  going far enough. Or they don't like certain
• 1:10:26
  policies that he's done. Like the Keystone XL pipeline is
• 1:10:30
  a pretty, pretty unpopular to close that one, when everybody's
• 1:10:33
  paying through the nose for gasoline.
• 1:10:35
  Yeah. Well And then they don't think
• 1:10:37
  they can handle another four years of abiding disaster.
• 1:10:41
  I actually think the rank-and-file Democrats want
• 1:10:44
  DeSantis because he's the boogie man that they can control versus
• 1:10:48
  Trump. Who is the bull in the china,
• 1:10:51
  shop versus Biden, who just does whatever the fuck he wants.
• 1:10:56
  And sometimes occasionally they get what they want out of it,
• 1:10:59
  but not very often. And everybody that thinks the
• 1:11:03
  Biden isn't making his own decisions.
• 1:11:05
  Look at how goddamn incoherent. They are next to each other.
• 1:11:10
  I think he's making all the decisions to be honest with you
• 1:11:14
  I think people aren't giving Biden enough credit for the
• 1:11:17
  things he's fucked up, I think Biden.
• 1:11:19
  He's way more credit because I think he's making these
• 1:11:22
  decisions as an unhinged old, man.
• 1:11:26
  And that sometimes they trick him into doing what they want
• 1:11:30
  with certain framing, right? Like, I mean, the generals the
• 1:11:37
  generals didn't want to pull out of Afghanistan but we had
• 1:11:40
  already agreed to pull out of Afghanistan.
• 1:11:43
  And so Biden's just like, hey why don't we move this worst
• 1:11:46
  pull out since Vietnam, that'll make everybody happy.
• 1:11:51
  There's no way the generals instructed him to do the pull
• 1:11:54
  out the way he did. There's no fucking way.
• 1:11:56
  So You could say, you could say come Allah or the
• 1:12:01
  administration, or these people are leading him by the nose, but
• 1:12:03
  that one decision there. He sure as fuck wasn't listening
• 1:12:07
  to generals because even Millie, even Millie who is his little
• 1:12:11
  butt, buddy, fucking left. His General was like, yeah, we
• 1:12:14
  shouldn't go out at all. Right.
• 1:12:17
  But but if we do pull out, yeah, here's the plan for a pull out.
• 1:12:21
  This is how we're going to do it.
• 1:12:22
  None of that happened. So he wasn't being advised by
• 1:12:25
  the generals and I just think buying was, like, listen here,
• 1:12:29
  Jack, we're gonna pull him out then and they're like, mr.
• 1:12:35
  President, we don't have enough transportation to get everybody
• 1:12:38
  out of Afghanistan in an immediate fashion and he's like
• 1:12:41
  just get them all out now. I told you I'm the president.
• 1:12:45
  So so you were so, okay. So let me get this, right?
• 1:12:51
  So you basically think that mr. Magoo is in fact running things,
• 1:12:55
  but he was me, but he's mr. Magoo yeah.
• 1:12:59
  Yeah, yeah. He's well, I mean, if you
• 1:13:02
  remember, if you remember the whole, the whole gimmick of mr.
• 1:13:06
  Magoo wasn't just that. He was an old man and bumbled
• 1:13:09
  his way through, I see it. Well, it was that it was yeah,
• 1:13:13
  it was They can just see but but like, somehow, mr.
• 1:13:19
  Magoo always ended up like failing upwards again, to in
• 1:13:25
  politics, but also like it's a good in that.
• 1:13:27
  Like, that's the best by analogy I've ever heard is its president
• 1:13:30
  Magoo because he couldn't see clearly write Rhymes.
• 1:13:35
  So actually mr. Magoo, if you think about it,
• 1:13:38
  acted very rationally, almost all the time, based on what he
• 1:13:43
  thought. Was there.
• 1:13:45
  It's just that it wasn't anger. It wasn't a tiger.
• 1:13:48
  It was just a little dog, but like he saw tiger, so he acts
• 1:13:52
  like there's a tiger there. That's Joe Biden.
• 1:13:55
  Ya know, Joe. Biden.
• 1:13:57
  In a nutshell, he's like, you know, I I've called him mr.
• 1:14:00
  Magoo for years? Because that what Ali is out.
• 1:14:03
  How I see except he doesn't fail upwards, he just fails That's
• 1:14:10
  that's the beauty of weiden. He's just like Keystone XL.
• 1:14:15
  Let's shut that down would will win over the greens.
• 1:14:17
  It's like, okay, you might win over the greens.
• 1:14:20
  What about everybody else? She's gonna pay way more gas, a
• 1:14:24
  fucking let's just let's just use up all the reserves.
• 1:14:29
  Oh, that'll never come back to bite Us in the ass.
• 1:14:33
  Oh I didn't I didn't call him. Deep eggs is hand is sorry
• 1:14:36
  yesterday on Twitter. I hold him dirty.
• 1:14:39
  Santa's, that is dirty that deep fake was dirty.
• 1:14:45
  Damn. I'm saying, if you're gonna deep
• 1:14:48
  fake competing politician, I feel like he should have made
• 1:14:52
  Trump like link. Make the video of trump pissing
• 1:14:55
  on a bed and be like. Yeah.
• 1:14:57
  See it was real. That's a better deep fake than
• 1:15:00
  hugging to Santa hugging fauci or whatever.
• 1:15:03
  Right. Like.
• 1:15:04
  Oh, the P tape was real like that might actually move numbers
• 1:15:09
  and then a lot of people would believe it was real anyway,
• 1:15:11
  right? Yeah.
• 1:15:14
  Yeah. If you don't eat all I'm saying,
• 1:15:18
  deep fake. You better be going balls, deep
• 1:15:21
  fake. You know what I mean?
• 1:15:22
  Don't none of this pussy shit. Oh he hugged this guy because
• 1:15:26
  that might have really happened. It's Bill that there was an
• 1:15:30
  event somewhere where Trump shook his hand and gave up
• 1:15:33
  because Trump's affecting Trump's very Hands-On, guy
• 1:15:38
  shakes, everybody's hands and hugs him, right?
• 1:15:40
  So it's not something that could be impossible, but then as soon
• 1:15:44
  as people find out it's fake, they're like, what the fuck, why
• 1:15:47
  would you do that? But if you made a tape of trump
• 1:15:52
  balls, deep up in a big Burly, dudes ass.
• 1:15:57
  A lot of people would just assume that it's real.
• 1:16:01
  And they be like, oh my God, Trump's gay.
• 1:16:06
  All I'm saying is if you go deep fake use it to its full effect.
• 1:16:12
  Yeah yeah just go. Oh well well I mean so here's
• 1:16:16
  how bad things have gotten for the Santa's even even Tim pool I
• 1:16:22
  know and again I'm agreeing with you what do you guys like Tim,
• 1:16:27
  pours horrible but even even Temple most milk toes
• 1:16:32
  fence-sitter was outraged. Urged by the, by the Deep bag.
• 1:16:39
  Oh, he's not a fucking fence sitter anymore.
• 1:16:42
  He's a fucking. Yeah, I'm not surprised.
• 1:16:46
  He would be outraged. This is exactly the kind of
• 1:16:48
  thing he gets fake. Outraged about.
• 1:16:50
  But yeah, everybody even a lot of the Santa's supporters didn't
• 1:16:53
  find that. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, no that
• 1:16:57
  that's that. Well, so so here's the other
• 1:17:00
  thing. So the sand is did that
• 1:17:04
  yesterday, right? And then Trump also later in the
• 1:17:12
  day he got indicted for the EM for like, the umpteenth time
• 1:17:19
  time, right? And so, and he couldn't have
• 1:17:26
  just come out and been like, like, this is, what would make
• 1:17:29
  sense if I was to Santa's, it is wrong with the doj is doing
• 1:17:35
  That's it. You don't have to say what he
• 1:17:38
  doesn't have to go into detail, just it's wrong.
• 1:17:42
  Yeah, he didn't do that the first time Trump got indicted
• 1:17:46
  and that was when I knew well we'll see though here's what's
• 1:17:50
  interesting this. The first time Trump got
• 1:17:53
  indicted Rondon and mention him by name this time Ron did use
• 1:17:58
  Trump by name and I'm like well that's a bit scummy ever you.
• 1:18:01
  Like now he's trying to like backtrack because you know, he
• 1:18:05
  knows he fucks up with the he knows you fucked up with the
• 1:18:10
  defect so now he's like trying to appeal He's Trump supporters,
• 1:18:14
  I guess it's not going to work. That's the thing he was never
• 1:18:19
  going to win over the Trump supporters.
• 1:18:21
  I don't know why he even tries if you're going to be see, he's
• 1:18:24
  decided that he's going on the Insurgent candidate act like
• 1:18:28
  one. Well, okay, I I can tell you
• 1:18:31
  why, Matt, I can tell you exactly why he's trying to be
• 1:18:38
  Trump, right? Because, I don't know about like
• 1:18:43
  I don't know about like the papers over and over worry, I in
• 1:18:48
  Massachusetts. But here like the ones of saying
• 1:18:52
  that DeSantis was actually worse than Trump because he's a lot
• 1:18:56
  more. He's Trump without the, you
• 1:18:59
  know, without the a whole Factor.
• 1:19:01
  So you can't make fun of this. And it's like, you can with
• 1:19:05
  Trump, which makes more dangerous.
• 1:19:07
  So, I think the same this somehow has in his in his Brain
• 1:19:12
  that he's that he's like Trump 2.0, right?
• 1:19:16
  It's like all the wannabe podcasters who like see
• 1:19:20
  themselves as Rush Limbaugh 2.0. You know, there's only one
• 1:19:25
  though. You're not, you're not going to
• 1:19:27
  be able to replace replace them. Yeah, I think if they screw
• 1:19:34
  Trump out of the nomination, what's going to happen is you're
• 1:19:38
  going to see lower turnout in 2024 than we've ever seen
• 1:19:41
  before. Well, because I, because I
• 1:19:44
  probably will not vote if that's the case.
• 1:19:47
  Because at that point, I have now decided that the elections
• 1:19:50
  are just so rigged. That there's no point in me.
• 1:19:52
  Taking part of it. Yeah, me me to.
• 1:19:56
  I because so basically, DeSantis, you never get my vote.
• 1:20:00
  So I don't know, I don't know what you're Well, I may die, so
• 1:20:05
  I have to be honest for me, the deal for me, the Deep fake
• 1:20:09
  thing. Real was really was a turning
• 1:20:12
  point up until up. Until now I would have said.
• 1:20:17
  Okay, well, I, you know, up until today I would have said,
• 1:20:24
  okay, I might not like him, but I might not like everything but
• 1:20:29
  I'll still vote for the Sanders because Atlee because he's not
• 1:20:35
  you know, the left but by doing this deep thick thing, he
• 1:20:40
  pronounced reveal that. He's the in a lot of ways he is
• 1:20:43
  acting like a leftist and he's acting like pre Trump GOP, which
• 1:20:52
  is the pussy-whipped bitch I was talking about, right?
• 1:20:55
  It's like yeah I got. Hey guys, maybe we shouldn't
• 1:20:59
  spend so much money. Shut the fuck up racist.
• 1:21:02
  Okay, sorry sir. That's that's, that's the GOP
• 1:21:07
  is, if that's what we're gonna go back to like, like, ignoring
• 1:21:10
  the rigged election part, right? Like let's say, I don't believe
• 1:21:13
  that part of it. If we're gonna go back to that,
• 1:21:16
  I'm going to go back to leaving the GOP.
• 1:21:19
  I've not always been a registered Republican and in
• 1:21:23
  fact, I wasn't for the longest time before Trump because it
• 1:21:27
  wasn't my party and if it's going to go back to that, I
• 1:21:30
  won't be my party. Figure out something else.
• 1:21:35
  Yeah, and see as like I have I have been registered at Sea.
• 1:21:41
  Like, I guess from, I guess, for me and for like, I know people
• 1:21:47
  want my age who have also said, don't leave the Republican party
• 1:21:53
  so they're going to they're going to lose a lots of young
• 1:21:56
  people. Most, here's the thing that they
• 1:22:00
  don't get is that conservatives under 40 are overwhelmingly?
• 1:22:04
  They Might not they might not support Trump over DeSantis
• 1:22:08
  right now but they're overwhelmingly Maga people
• 1:22:11
  anyway. That's why he's going around
• 1:22:13
  saying I'm just like Trump but not as mean because they're Maga
• 1:22:17
  people. See.
• 1:22:20
  You're just gonna give the bag of people back over to the
• 1:22:23
  fucking the kind of Eye of Sauron.
• 1:22:26
  And and then any of us that were principled or came in for that,
• 1:22:32
  you know, Millennials especially Millennials is, the biggest
• 1:22:36
  voting demographic now, and you don't like, if you alienate
• 1:22:40
  them, the Boomers aren't going to be here to save you in 20
• 1:22:43
  years, bro. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:22:45
  Like, the boomers are already, not the biggest generation.
• 1:22:48
  They should not be the first concern of a lot of these
• 1:22:51
  politicians and you might say, well, younger people don't vote.
• 1:22:54
  Yeah. Which is exactly why the
• 1:22:56
  Republicans shouldn't spend a lot of time on Zoomers, but
• 1:23:00
  Millennials are in the age bracket where you vote and they
• 1:23:03
  do vote and they vote overwhelmingly for Trump and
• 1:23:07
  Maga candidates, at least the right-wing ones.
• 1:23:10
  So like yeah, maybe you need to refocus.
• 1:23:13
  Maybe the party does need to going forward.
• 1:23:15
  Represent its largest demographic, which is promo.
• 1:23:20
  Maga Millennials. That is the biggest group in the
• 1:23:24
  GOP right now. Yeah.
• 1:23:27
  And if and if buying it somehow does like, you know, at will a,
• 1:23:34
  if it's Trump ends up in prison, there were there will be riots
• 1:23:40
  in this country. Like I'm not, I'm not saying
• 1:23:43
  that to like, say there should be riots or anything like that.
• 1:23:48
  I'm saying I think there will be saying I'll Hoist the Black
• 1:23:53
  Flag. If they go that far, Yeah like I
• 1:23:59
  will maybe not partake in a riot but I will show moral support.
• 1:24:06
  Oh yeah, I'm not I'm not discouraging that because I'll
• 1:24:10
  tell you why I'll tell you why because at that point it's not a
• 1:24:14
  right is not a political protest.
• 1:24:16
  It's a resistance. It's an actual resistance
• 1:24:20
  because at that point, if they're going to put the leading
• 1:24:24
  presidential candidate, not just leading the Republicans but The
• 1:24:27
  leading presidential candidate. Who's beating everybody in the
• 1:24:30
  polls in jail. That's a Banana Republic, so
• 1:24:35
  it's no longer. Yeah, longer me, just sit by and
• 1:24:38
  say, well, maybe we'll get them next time.
• 1:24:40
  At that point, it is an Insurgency against the hostel,
• 1:24:48
  hostel fucking dictatorial. Fucking regime.
• 1:24:52
  Yeah. And Yeah.
• 1:24:55
  Yeah, I will support the people who oppose that, I just don't, I
• 1:25:00
  don't think it's going that route.
• 1:25:02
  I don't think they're actually gonna be able to put him in
• 1:25:04
  jail, which means that I think Bo bleep.
• 1:25:08
  Basically, my scenario requires them putting him in jail without
• 1:25:13
  the evidence to actually do so, which is Banana Republic.
• 1:25:17
  Shit. I don't think they're gonna go
• 1:25:21
  that route anyway. I know Max but it but what?
• 1:25:25
  I don't think they're going to go that route.
• 1:25:27
  I the max but I think I want to I just don't think they can.
• 1:25:31
  Well I yeah, I would agree with both of the statements either.
• 1:25:37
  But why me? I'll say that.
• 1:25:39
  If they said I would do manage. I also wouldn't be surprised
• 1:25:43
  either, if that makes sense like you, like I wouldn't be
• 1:25:48
  surprised. It's either.
• 1:25:49
  I'm not that. That's why I'm laying it out
• 1:25:51
  there. You know when Biden quote
• 1:25:54
  unquote, one in 2020. I sat down with my wife and I
• 1:25:56
  was like this guy's suck. We're going to be poor for a
• 1:26:01
  couple years. We're gonna have to tighten our
• 1:26:02
  budgets and she was like, really you think?
• 1:26:05
  And I was like, oh for sure. And that was in like November of
• 1:26:09
  2020. So I knew this was coming but
• 1:26:12
  this time this time I haven't forgotten 2020.
• 1:26:18
  No, you can say, whatever the fuck you want.
• 1:26:21
  I watched them pulling ballots out of the ceilings after they
• 1:26:24
  send people home bro. You can tell me no evidence, all
• 1:26:26
  you want. I watched them.
• 1:26:27
  Pull the shit out of the fucking it under the table.
• 1:26:30
  I saw Trump come out and 1:00 a.m. he comes out at 1:00 a.m.
• 1:26:35
  and says they're gonna bring into am trucks of ballots, and
• 1:26:37
  then an hour later I'm watching video, I was up.
• 1:26:40
  I was watching it live. There did pulling in fucking
• 1:26:42
  ballots from out of nowhere. They just got found.
• 1:26:46
  They just get found to have Have literally tampered with Dominion
• 1:26:51
  voting machines, in Arizona, in the last election in 2022.
• 1:26:56
  I am nobody's talking about that.
• 1:26:58
  Where's your nose? Where's dominions billion dollar
• 1:27:01
  lawsuits about that. Why isn't why isn't that
• 1:27:03
  evidence in the lawsuit? The evidence that they actually
• 1:27:06
  are doing what is being claimed? And here's the other two.
• 1:27:12
  Like, okay. So I get your theory about the
• 1:27:16
  sand is being the union Party candidate in.
• 1:27:19
  That may be the case. Now I'm not but I just want to
• 1:27:22
  clarify one thing. I'm not entirely sure he knows.
• 1:27:26
  It? Oh no, he oh no.
• 1:27:29
  Well no, I would agree with you on that.
• 1:27:31
  He doesn't he doesn't know that either.
• 1:27:34
  But to my point Max, you're talking at the election fraud in
• 1:27:39
  Arizona, last year, believe me. There was believing.
• 1:27:44
  And here's here is the one thing that I will say, like, this is
• 1:27:50
  awesome. Why?
• 1:27:50
  It's so baffling to me, why does Santa's I guess turned on Trump
• 1:27:55
  the way did because when the sand is was running for
• 1:28:02
  re-election, as for discovering the last year, the Dems were
• 1:28:06
  what I like trying to do the same shit to get Charlie Crist.
• 1:28:12
  Re-elected, they got, they got caught like stuffing ballot
• 1:28:16
  boxes or trying to and like a couple of US postal workers
• 1:28:22
  work. I like, Trying to dump like
• 1:28:25
  boxes of ballots, with Santa's name on the side.
• 1:28:29
  But apply when truth is the truth is and this hurts a lot of
• 1:28:32
  people. And it's the thing you weren't
• 1:28:34
  allowed to say anywhere, but the truth is, is that there's fraud
• 1:28:37
  in every election Sometimes it's just around the edges.
• 1:28:42
  Sometimes it's swings the whole fucking thing, right?
• 1:28:45
  But but no, but like that. But like, that's what I'm,
• 1:28:48
  that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying though.
• 1:28:50
  Max, is it baffles? What, what baffles me is the
• 1:28:53
  fact like this, and just somehow thinks that because he's nicer
• 1:28:58
  than Trump quote, unquote, that he will be exempt from the same
• 1:29:02
  treatment. I I thought so too.
• 1:29:05
  Now I think he I think, to some degree he knows they're gonna Go
• 1:29:09
  easier on him than Trump. I just don't think he realizes
• 1:29:12
  it's because he's controlled opposition because that's what
• 1:29:14
  he is. Yeah.
• 1:29:16
  Well, I think they'll go. I think they'll go easier on
• 1:29:19
  them. I still think they fucking hate
• 1:29:21
  him. Oh, they're still gonna call him
• 1:29:23
  hit like you can't control the far left, especially like the
• 1:29:26
  street activists and they would hate him as much or more than
• 1:29:30
  Trump probably more. Even though it's like no reason
• 1:29:34
  to just because he's the guy now.
• 1:29:37
  So yeah that's how I operate. Yeah.
• 1:29:41
  Well they called Bush Hitler. They called Romney Hitler.
• 1:29:44
  They called. Yeah, I'm Hitler.
• 1:29:45
  They were right about McCain, you know, broken clocks and such
• 1:29:51
  everybody's been Hitler. Everybody's a racist.
• 1:29:53
  This is nothing new for them. It just, it worked really well
• 1:29:58
  on Zoomers who consumed media that rig.
• 1:30:02
  Agitated that idea to them and then they regurgitate it back
• 1:30:05
  back and forth the Zoomers like that.
• 1:30:08
  They're the only ones nobody else did.
• 1:30:11
  Yeah. Well well well the Zoomers
• 1:30:14
  literally under they what? I don't read history they were
• 1:30:18
  they literally don't know like what World War Two was so there
• 1:30:21
  I their idea of a Nazi to be fair to Zoomers.
• 1:30:26
  Their entire history that they've been taught is this
• 1:30:30
  modern revised leftist history anyway.
• 1:30:33
  Yeah, it's not entirely their fault.
• 1:30:36
  I'm not, I'm not saying, I'm not saying it's their fault.
• 1:30:39
  I'm what I'm saying is there, they don't have the capacity to
• 1:30:43
  discern based on actual historical cost, ya and that's
• 1:30:48
  true. I just wanted to point, well I
• 1:30:50
  don't, I feel like I shit on Zoomers more than I should.
• 1:30:53
  No, no. I lied to backtrack and say
• 1:30:56
  look, Look, what are they teaching these kids about
• 1:30:57
  history in school as younger people, I've talked to, when
• 1:31:01
  they talk about World War Two in history that they learned in
• 1:31:04
  school, it literally amounts to the Holocaust week.
• 1:31:07
  They don't have a lot of, like, the geopolitics of what was
• 1:31:11
  going on or anything like that. Yeah, woman.
• 1:31:14
  Well. And then even, even like,
• 1:31:16
  starting the Holocaust which I did.
• 1:31:19
  And, you know, when I like that, yeah, Jews were killed in the
• 1:31:24
  Holocaust but there's there's So much more nuanced like to the
• 1:31:29
  Holocaust to. And it there was so much more to
• 1:31:33
  that to that whole, you know, trap that, you know, genocide.
• 1:31:39
  But but the point is, is that that's all they've learned about
• 1:31:43
  right rise. And so, from that perspective,
• 1:31:47
  without all the context, it's just like, well, Nazis, bad
• 1:31:51
  people who are bad now or like Nazis.
• 1:31:54
  That's why they do that. It's a Guttural thing for them
• 1:31:59
  and they've always done it and they will do it with the Santas.
• 1:32:02
  They'll do it again with Trump, obviously, probably way worse
• 1:32:05
  than the first time. And whoever comes down the pike
• 1:32:09
  in 2028 and Beyond the left isn't going to stop calling
• 1:32:13
  everybody fucking Hitler. Just because the Santa sees
• 1:32:16
  nicer, which he's not, he's not because he's a liar who puts out
• 1:32:21
  fake ads, that's way meaner than Trump's Mean Tweets.
• 1:32:24
  At least when Trump Mean Tweets. He Like Rosie O'Donnell is fat
• 1:32:27
  and your like she is fat though. She do be thing.
• 1:32:35
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And people and people will I go.
• 1:32:39
  So here's the 10, here's one. I was getting sick of is you
• 1:32:43
  well, women fat pigs only Rosie only Rosie.
• 1:32:48
  Well, here's the, that's the best debate moment of all time
• 1:32:53
  because they thought that had him up against the wall, he you
• 1:32:56
  call him and fat pigs, just Rosie.
• 1:33:00
  But deadpan is I love trophy. He's like I'm not gonna deny
• 1:33:07
  that because I totally did that. But just Rosie the fact that it
• 1:33:13
  was Megyn Kelly who, you know, was one who asked that question,
• 1:33:19
  which Yeah. I mean started a whole fucking
• 1:33:25
  story arc for her. Yeah.
• 1:33:28
  That one question, sent her on quite the journey, you know.
• 1:33:34
  Yeah. Well and then and then she was
• 1:33:36
  awesome on. There was like, criticizing
• 1:33:38
  Trump for dating Playboy models and then, what do you know,
• 1:33:43
  people are trying to find her spicy picks Well, hey here's the
• 1:33:49
  thing, right. Chomp, mmm morally.
• 1:33:53
  Not not my kind of guy. Ah, I get it though.
• 1:33:57
  He's Rich, right? Me dated, beautiful women.
• 1:34:00
  And yeah, would I prefer somebody that like married one
• 1:34:04
  woman and stayed with them? Yeah because it's more relatable
• 1:34:06
  to me but I do feel it's kind of dirty pool that people use his
• 1:34:13
  past, you know, romantic entanglements against him,
• 1:34:16
  considering none of us. Private.
• 1:34:18
  He's one of the most public people since the 80s, right?
• 1:34:23
  And every like, everybody knows that he's divorced and every
• 1:34:27
  like everybody knows that shit. Well, like, it's not like in
• 1:34:30
  2016 or 2015 when he announced that, people didn't know this,
• 1:34:35
  right? Well and one and and to be fair,
• 1:34:39
  like, what are the things that I am actually?
• 1:34:42
  This, this was one of the reasons why was a big Trump fan
• 1:34:46
  like, It all seriousness was because when all the when all of
• 1:34:52
  the Playboy Playmate has stopped hanging out Trump was like yeah
• 1:34:56
  I I you know I fucked a couple Playmates.
• 1:35:01
  So what I'm not dropping out whereas like you know for
• 1:35:07
  comparison Herman came back in 2012, who was my favorite
• 1:35:13
  candidate at the time to run against Obama?
• 1:35:17
  He was Was he was creeping everyone.
• 1:35:20
  In the primaries that the leftmost panicking, they didn't
• 1:35:25
  want Herman Cain to debate Obama because there's a less chance,
• 1:35:32
  there's less chance he wins when it's two black guys.
• 1:35:36
  Yeah, this is literally it. Yeah it all.
• 1:35:39
  Yeah, it also that they couldn't, they couldn't play the
• 1:35:42
  well, your rice is because you won't vote for.
• 1:35:46
  For, you know, Obama, they kind of play that card, right?
• 1:35:49
  So Herman Cain is getting Herman.
• 1:35:53
  Cain is basically cleaning up whatever.
• 1:35:56
  Everyone's clock. Then someone uncouple uncovers
• 1:36:02
  the thing that you had an affair with like a secretary for like
• 1:36:07
  and it wasn't just like a one-time thing.
• 1:36:08
  It was like, they have like a 25-year, like Herman Cain was
• 1:36:13
  almost like a boil to his mistress and his wife were gland
• 1:36:17
  up, so, That came out and the Republicans were like, well, you
• 1:36:24
  need to drop out because that doesn't necessarily, you know,
• 1:36:28
  mesh without moral standards or whatever and he did and then we
• 1:36:34
  got Romney. So, yeah, I mean, I agree with
• 1:36:38
  you. Max like Trump's past, I mean,
• 1:36:40
  there are a lots of things like, personality-wise.
• 1:36:44
  I don't like about Trump. But like policy-wise, i-i've
• 1:36:50
  always believes, he is the man for the job and this is just
• 1:36:52
  what I don't get when people complain that like Trump being
• 1:36:57
  being mean, I'm like, who gives a fuck if he makes me in tweets
• 1:37:01
  or sleeps around or like none of that matters to me and, you
• 1:37:06
  know, compared to like the big stuff.
• 1:37:09
  The big thing I think about the Mean Tweets thing is, it's a
• 1:37:14
  very one-sided narrative. Oh yeah, nobody has been on the
• 1:37:20
  receiving end of more harassment than Donald Trump.
• 1:37:25
  Nobody. Well, nobody has put up with the
• 1:37:29
  levels of consist like like the reply.
• 1:37:32
  Guy is a thing that we created because people would
• 1:37:37
  ritualistically every single time.
• 1:37:39
  This man, tweeted anything, no matter how innocuous be like,
• 1:37:44
  poo, poo diaper, Daddy. Yeah, you suck.
• 1:37:48
  I think you poop yourself in, like, nobody dealt with meaner
• 1:37:52
  tweets. Stood at them.
• 1:37:54
  Then Donald fucking trunk, right?
• 1:37:57
  And so, to call his tweets mean at all, is ridiculous in the
• 1:38:01
  context of, like, look at the fucking things, they they, they,
• 1:38:05
  they literally profiled his son as being autistic for no reason.
• 1:38:13
  Baron was just there and they're like, he doesn't talk to the
• 1:38:17
  media a lot. I think he has autism is like
• 1:38:21
  know, you people are fucking vultures anybody who talks to
• 1:38:25
  anybody, who talks to Trump you guys, try and get him to say you
• 1:38:29
  crazy fucking shit. That probably didn't happen.
• 1:38:32
  No, Ben wants no part of you. It has nothing to do with
• 1:38:36
  autism, whether he has autism or not.
• 1:38:39
  And if he has autism, then you just fucking doc.
• 1:38:42
  Since fucking neurological condition and if he doesn't have
• 1:38:45
  autism, it's still none of your fucking business.
• 1:38:49
  Well, and I also like their child.
• 1:38:53
  Yeah, exactly. Like and that's the other thing
• 1:38:56
  too is Baron was like what? 10 11 at the time 12?
• 1:39:00
  At most I think at most he was 12.
• 1:39:04
  Well, even so like what are you going to do?
• 1:39:07
  Like, ask ask the 12 year olds, what his opinion is on like
• 1:39:12
  four. And policy like no.
• 1:39:15
  Yeah, he's late. And he's like, I like my school,
• 1:39:19
  you know. I'm like, yeah, if you asked my
• 1:39:24
  seven-year-old, his opinion on current political things, he'd
• 1:39:28
  probably tell you about a dragon.
• 1:39:33
  It's the kids kids. Don't follow this.
• 1:39:36
  Yeah. And and you know, and we, you
• 1:39:40
  know, we were told we couldn't talk about the Obama you know,
• 1:39:44
  daughters which hey, I I was fine with that but you know when
• 1:39:49
  it comes to Trump kids, everything is very good.
• 1:39:53
  That's basically what we were what we were told.
• 1:39:57
  So yeah. Yeah and it's funny because
• 1:40:00
  Albom has daughters are kind of hose.
• 1:40:02
  You know? Well, yeah, well, they were hos
• 1:40:05
  even then, like they're bigger hose now.
• 1:40:09
  Well, I mean, to be honest, I didn't really, I didn't really
• 1:40:13
  like now that now, they definitely are.
• 1:40:16
  I honestly, when they were in the white house, I didn't give
• 1:40:19
  two shits about them. I know, I just wanted to point
• 1:40:22
  out that there hose. No, no, yeah, no.
• 1:40:25
  Yeah, well I mean what's it now? They're fair game because
• 1:40:29
  they're putting it out there that they are.
• 1:40:32
  I've always thought, you know, there's some things that are
• 1:40:36
  fair game with presidents or kids to some degree, right?
• 1:40:40
  But like this, like Barren sits in his room doing nothing entire
• 1:40:48
  media. He has autism.
• 1:40:49
  What? What the fuck is wrong with you?
• 1:40:52
  People, that's so beyond the fucking pale.
• 1:40:56
  Or how about how about Kathy Griffin, Griffin, with cutting
• 1:40:59
  the fucking fake Trump had thing off and baron saw it on TV and
• 1:41:04
  was traumatized by it. And nobody cared about that.
• 1:41:09
  Oh, let's just hold up a picture of this kids dead.
• 1:41:12
  Dad's head. Yeah, and willing, and I what I
• 1:41:17
  love, I love their excuse. I love, I love the excuse for
• 1:41:21
  that. I don't believe it was actually
• 1:41:22
  traumatized because the kid is 12 years old, and he probably
• 1:41:26
  plays Call of Duty, which means he's seen like way worse than
• 1:41:31
  that fake. Had that little all I'll say, Is
• 1:41:37
  it was a head to looked a lot like his dad's head being held
• 1:41:41
  up in a picture? Yeah, you know, president for
• 1:41:44
  kids they get the briefing right.
• 1:41:46
  That it's possible that your parent could be killed like,
• 1:41:49
  especially if they're older than like ten, right?
• 1:41:52
  And be like, look things. Could happen secret Services
• 1:41:54
  here to try and protect you Dada.
• 1:41:56
  It's like they know like that to some degree.
• 1:41:59
  A presidential kid knows that their parent is potentially a
• 1:42:02
  Target, right? And so, when he sees the fucking
• 1:42:06
  day, Decapitated head and he's a little kid.
• 1:42:09
  Yeah, he could be traumatized by that even if he's seen worse in
• 1:42:13
  a video game because the worst in the video game wasn't like I
• 1:42:16
  had that looked scarily like this for.
• 1:42:19
  Yeah, that, yeah. I mean, that, that head did not
• 1:42:23
  look like at first Like At first, like even if burn did
• 1:42:30
  realize later on but that was fake like at first glance.
• 1:42:34
  I mean, it freaks me out a bit too.
• 1:42:38
  At first glance I knew it was a fake fucking thing but it wasn't
• 1:42:41
  my father's head, right? Like I'm also not like 10, it's
• 1:42:48
  like it's a little different. I would say, a little different,
• 1:42:53
  not that, I'm not that you can't do it.
• 1:42:54
  Like I actually think Kathy Griffin if she thought that.
• 1:42:57
  It was really, really funny whatever, right?
• 1:43:00
  I don't think it was a threat. I think it was just dumb on her
• 1:43:03
  part but and she thought she was really fucking funny.
• 1:43:07
  So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not for censorship, I'm just saying,
• 1:43:12
  show this kid, his decapitated father in a picture, and he
• 1:43:16
  might have a fucking nightmare to he's a kid.
• 1:43:19
  Yeah, he's a well and his father is probably the center of his
• 1:43:23
  fucking Universe if you, if I were to take a guess.
• 1:43:26
  Yeah, well not Said and also you know, Baron right like tribe,
• 1:43:33
  even even sadder at one point like my son.
• 1:43:38
  I'll tell you he's he's really good at the internet and stuff,
• 1:43:42
  right? Like I I think Trump said that
• 1:43:45
  one point, right? So so Barren being online like
• 1:43:51
  I'm sure he's seen all the crazy like, reply guys, shit up, like,
• 1:43:57
  But, you know, people being like, I'm gonna kill you or I'm
• 1:44:00
  gonna, you know, put like a Witch hex on you or whatever the
• 1:44:04
  fuck people were, you know, he gets it.
• 1:44:09
  Let like, let alone seeing him say it about his dad.
• 1:44:12
  I've seen people say horrible things about Baron to, and I'm
• 1:44:16
  like, he's good. What is he, a Don?
• 1:44:20
  What is the ever done for them to be mad at?
• 1:44:22
  He's a child? Well, he's I think he's grown
• 1:44:25
  now. Wow.
• 1:44:28
  Yeah, I mean, I think he, I think he's like a teenager at,
• 1:44:31
  you know, at the most. So, yeah.
• 1:44:33
  And I think he might be 18. Those what I'm saying?
• 1:44:36
  Either way though, at the time, he's a child, he's a small child
• 1:44:41
  at that. When they first came in office,
• 1:44:43
  he was a small kid. This, this is all like crazy to
• 1:44:47
  him. Imagine like imagine you're 9 or
• 1:44:50
  10 years old and you're you're preparing is the fucking
• 1:44:53
  president. Yeah, easy.
• 1:44:58
  Yeah, well then heavy easy for the Obama hos either, you know,
• 1:45:01
  I mean like in the in the bush hose for that matter.
• 1:45:07
  Yeah yeah. Oh yeah.
• 1:45:09
  The oh yeah. You got caught like partying and
• 1:45:12
  strictly on the White House. Yeah them hoes got white girl
• 1:45:17
  wasted. Yeah.
• 1:45:20
  The Obama hose actually a little classier than the bush hose.
• 1:45:24
  Just just like in Ho terms. Oh yeah.
• 1:45:28
  There are. There are stories about about
• 1:45:32
  the book about the bush girls. That I'm that I've heard well
• 1:45:37
  it's just imagine being the bush girls.
• 1:45:39
  You know? I mean it's kind of never mind.
• 1:45:43
  No, like the crazy shit. That gets a tan line.
• 1:45:47
  Yeah, I could see that traumatizing a kid.
• 1:45:50
  I could see all of this shit traumatized in the kid.
• 1:45:53
  I bet you Barons probably like pretty easygoing because of it
• 1:45:57
  though. Right.
• 1:45:59
  Yeah, probably. And I bet you the friends that
• 1:46:04
  he has it's cool or whatever. I bet you his friend circle is
• 1:46:06
  like tight as fuck and they don't know anybody else.
• 1:46:12
  Well, I mean, yeah, you wouldn't you would imagine that like,
• 1:46:17
  well, you haven't heard a lot of like Barren stories and Barren
• 1:46:20
  leaks, right? So his friends are probably
• 1:46:23
  somewhat loyal. Oh yeah.
• 1:46:26
  Well the kids, the kids probably just like a giant nerd or just
• 1:46:29
  like who knows. I mean let me know that I was a
• 1:46:33
  giant nerd. I was still doing shit that I
• 1:46:36
  wouldn't want on the papers. Well okay yeah that's that's
• 1:46:40
  true. What And what I'm trying to say
• 1:46:43
  is, Baron, is like, Baron is like a Kappa /.
• 1:46:48
  Do pretty well. Oh, no.
• 1:46:50
  Don't make that comparison because now you're saying, he
• 1:46:52
  does have autism. Let's see who went to Japan.
• 1:47:03
  Any. Oh, yeah.
• 1:47:10
  Did it. He he went.
• 1:47:14
  Yeah, he went to Japan and he got I did see one of his tweets.
• 1:47:18
  He got like fit, he got like 15 CDs of like he got soundtrack
• 1:47:28
  for racing Lagoon. Okay.
• 1:47:32
  I mean he seems happy. Yeah, no, good on it.
• 1:47:37
  Good on him. So, speaking of gaming, though,
• 1:47:45
  You know, act calls of Torment. Yeah.
• 1:47:49
  It was not here to do gaming news, but you are, and you have
• 1:47:53
  some. Okay.
• 1:47:54
  The first news is there's an early access game on Steam, it's
• 1:47:57
  called Halls of torment and it kicks fucking ass.
• 1:48:00
  It's like vampires survivors, plus Diablo, 1 combined and I
• 1:48:09
  got that the other day it's like $5 or some.
• 1:48:12
  I grabbed it on Steam deck and like Both times this week, when
• 1:48:15
  we started the show, I was over here playing fucking Halls of
• 1:48:18
  torment and I'm like yeah, start the show Sam.
• 1:48:21
  I'm just going to finish this. Oh so that's Matthew.
• 1:48:25
  That's what you're playing Halls of Torment but but the news I
• 1:48:30
  guess in gaming is Activision Blizzard did it?
• 1:48:36
  Did it did a Bud Light? It's not good, it's not good.
• 1:48:43
  So I have strong feelings on this.
• 1:48:48
  I've been a fan of Blizzard Entertainment, specifically, for
• 1:48:52
  a very, very long time. Since I was a kid, I played
• 1:48:55
  World of Warcraft. For many years.
• 1:48:57
  Not is obsessively, is a lot of people.
• 1:48:59
  Like, I am not giving up my whole life over, but I certainly
• 1:49:04
  played a good amount especially when I was younger, right?
• 1:49:06
  This year's where you have time to just play video games and
• 1:49:10
  nothing else to do. I play a lot of World of
• 1:49:12
  Warcraft. I still do last week.
• 1:49:15
  I was streaming over here on my Rumble Channel doing hardcore
• 1:49:19
  World of Warcraft, classic because I had subscribed I gave
• 1:49:22
  in blizzard my money. And it can't weirdly enough.
• 1:49:27
  The subscription came up again today and I canceled it and I
• 1:49:31
  cancelled it because blizz Activision, Blizzard is one
• 1:49:36
  company, you know, two names but it's one company over at
• 1:49:40
  Activision the other side of the company.
• 1:49:43
  They make a little game may have heard of it, called Call of Duty
• 1:49:46
  war zone, Call of Duty, generally, but specifically the
• 1:49:50
  war zone, which is very popular Battle Royale for my game.
• 1:49:55
  One of the members of FaZe Clan and I want to make sure that it
• 1:49:59
  get his name right, I believe it's Nick Merc.
• 1:50:03
  But yeah, and so yeah, follow him over on Twitter because he's
• 1:50:07
  having a rough day but what happened was all the stuff about
• 1:50:12
  grooming? And drag queen story time and
• 1:50:15
  all that on Twitter, he made a comment where he specifically
• 1:50:19
  said he had no problem with pride, although he said is I
• 1:50:23
  have no problem with pride or gay people.
• 1:50:24
  But just leave kids alone. Well, what little the pale.
• 1:50:32
  Yeah. What do I want?
• 1:50:34
  More more than half the country believes by the way.
• 1:50:40
  Hmm. The fact that just leave because
• 1:50:45
  a lot of the fat more, I would say, a lot of Democrats believe
• 1:50:48
  that to a lot of gay people even believe that.
• 1:50:51
  Yeah, the fact that is now considered controversial is
• 1:50:57
  fucking, is fucking scary to me. So how controversial is it?
• 1:51:05
  Max couldn't couldn't have been that big a deal, right?
• 1:51:08
  So in Call of Duty war zone, they have a cash shop right free
• 1:51:12
  to play game and A shop, that's normal.
• 1:51:14
  And the cash shop, there was a skin for this guy.
• 1:51:18
  It's a bundle pack where you could play his skin and like a
• 1:51:21
  custom version of his favorite weapon or some shit like that.
• 1:51:25
  Look I don't play war zone so if I get those details wrong, I'm
• 1:51:28
  not sorry. Nope.
• 1:51:29
  You're right, you're completely right so you get the skin pack
• 1:51:33
  for this guy and Activision decided that they put out a
• 1:51:39
  statement. They said we're pulling it so
• 1:51:42
  that we can celebrate Pride with our people and they really
• 1:51:45
  didn't say much else. And also it is questionable as
• 1:51:50
  to whether this man will be kicked out of Face Clan, which
• 1:51:54
  I'm not a biggie Sports guy, but I've heard of FaZe Clan.
• 1:51:57
  I think they're one of the top Esports organizations out there
• 1:52:01
  and he's been with them for quite a long time.
• 1:52:03
  He's one of the more popular members, that's why he had a
• 1:52:05
  goddamn skin in the game, right? So basically he's on the outs
• 1:52:11
  with them and their de tripling down on quote unquote,
• 1:52:16
  protecting trans kids. So there you go.
• 1:52:19
  Activision Blizzard supports grooming children.
• 1:52:23
  And that was when I canceled my wow subscription today and I'm
• 1:52:28
  so glad I didn't pick up Diablo for either.
• 1:52:31
  If you haven't, don't click, it's good.
• 1:52:34
  I played the demo or the beta or whatever the Allah for is good.
• 1:52:38
  I'm not Is not good. I'm saying if you haven't bought
• 1:52:41
  it, don't give these people your money now is activated.
• 1:52:46
  Now, I could be, I could be wrong and I could probably also
• 1:52:49
  like this up but I'm always a cripple.
• 1:52:52
  So just ask you is that Activision?
• 1:52:54
  The one that like publish to Call of Duty Black Ops Series be
• 1:53:02
  every call, every single Call of Duty game was under the
• 1:53:05
  Activision Banner until they merged with Activision Blizzard
• 1:53:09
  In 2009. I think 2008-2009.
• 1:53:13
  Well fuck, I guess but Call of Duty is an Activision only.
• 1:53:18
  It's only ever been published by Activision.
• 1:53:22
  I guess that's another franchise.
• 1:53:25
  It's getting them, but that's getting the Bud Light treatment.
• 1:53:29
  Will see. Gamers are tough.
• 1:53:31
  Gamer boycotts. I'll tell you, they never ever
• 1:53:34
  work more than even normal boycotts.
• 1:53:37
  Because Gamers, like I said, don't buy Diablo for if you
• 1:53:41
  don't want a company, you know, grooming children.
• 1:53:45
  But there's a lot of motherfuckers even listening to
• 1:53:47
  this show, they're going to buy that game because it's the hot
• 1:53:50
  new thing. Yeah, you can't do it.
• 1:53:52
  I've boycotted blizzard a couple times over the years.
• 1:53:55
  I just came back because they did the free.
• 1:53:59
  They fired. The guy for saying free.
• 1:54:01
  Well, they suspended the guy and took away his winnings for
• 1:54:04
  saying free Hong Kong. And then they fired the
• 1:54:07
  commentators who were there, who didn't say anything about it?
• 1:54:12
  I was like, fuck you, blizzard free Hong Kong.
• 1:54:16
  And so, when I canceled my subscription and it said, what's
• 1:54:19
  your comment? I said free Hong Kong and I
• 1:54:23
  stayed away for about two years until they got some new
• 1:54:25
  management in there. They had things seem to be on
• 1:54:30
  the up and up, so I gave a lizard, another chance and
• 1:54:32
  already, they fucking thrown it in the fucking grinder.
• 1:54:35
  And so when I canceled my, wow, subscription this time, I just
• 1:54:39
  said, okay groomer That's my comment.
• 1:54:44
  Well okay well the reason why I'm bummed out is because I
• 1:54:49
  played Call of Duty Cold War and in like cod Call of Duty Cold
• 1:54:58
  War out of all the Black Ops like Black Ops one is pretty
• 1:55:02
  good and Black Ops 2 is Black Ops 3 3 gets pretty fucking
• 1:55:07
  weird because it like takes place in the future also.
• 1:55:12
  What had no story campaign? Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:55:15
  So I think you're thinking of the fourth one and it's mostly
• 1:55:18
  future stuff, but yeah, they've had some good Call of Duty
• 1:55:22
  games. And you mentioned, Cold War,
• 1:55:24
  Cold War, had a bit of a right-wing bent to it, right?
• 1:55:28
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:55:28
  Literally tells you what to do. Here's the thing, the creative
• 1:55:32
  types, the work on that kind of stuff.
• 1:55:35
  Aren't the kind of people running a social media account
• 1:55:38
  and dealing with a scandal like this, right?
• 1:55:41
  Yes. A bunch of HR cat ladies didn't
• 1:55:45
  like what FaZe Clan Nick Berg said and so he needs to be
• 1:55:50
  canceled. Now get him out of the store.
• 1:55:53
  It's pride month you're hurting but you're killing people.
• 1:55:59
  Yeah. No, no.
• 1:56:00
  It is a chair and yeah, your you hit the nail on the head like
• 1:56:04
  the campaign of Cold War. Like yeah, does have like a bit
• 1:56:07
  of a right-wing, like Espionage type thing and a Serna.
• 1:56:13
  A certain based, crippled man might be writing a political
• 1:56:17
  thriller of that same genre. So yeah, they create the
• 1:56:23
  creative side of Call of Duty has been pretty good the last
• 1:56:27
  couple of years, you know, Hit and miss.
• 1:56:29
  I mean, Vanguard was a little on the glorifying, the Soviet side
• 1:56:35
  of things but not this ain't got nothing to do with the game,
• 1:56:39
  really. I think it has to do more with
• 1:56:41
  like cat ladies in the office, but either way, Leave the kids
• 1:56:47
  alone. There's all he was saying, and I
• 1:56:49
  agree with that and so I am no longer going to be this hurts,
• 1:56:53
  this hurts, but I'm no longer going to be buying Activision
• 1:56:57
  Blizzard, anything until this is rectified somehow and I don't
• 1:57:02
  even know how they could. Yeah.
• 1:57:05
  So well, that sucks. But there's so, like I say, I'm
• 1:57:09
  always, you notice. I'm always pointing out indie
• 1:57:11
  games on the show like the first whenever you say something, I'm
• 1:57:14
  like first thing. Let me talk about Dave, the
• 1:57:16
  diver Get into Indie Games guys. Like, well, they're so good.
• 1:57:22
  It's a golden age. And also you don't have to worry
• 1:57:25
  about a lot of this work shit because a lot of Indie Games.
• 1:57:29
  Any games are either expressly political and you will know it
• 1:57:32
  before you buy it or they're not political at all.
• 1:57:35
  Where one it? Well, one of the games that you
• 1:57:37
  have that, you actually recommend it.
• 1:57:39
  I don't know if how much we can talk at this, but one of the
• 1:57:43
  games you recommended was six days of Fallujah.
• 1:57:49
  Right, and they've been they released a demo.
• 1:57:51
  Just To content creators about six days in Fallujah.
• 1:57:57
  So I've seen I've watched quite a bit of the gameplay footage
• 1:58:00
  devil dog. Gamer was actually at the Battle
• 1:58:03
  of Fallujah and is a marine and he does it.
• 1:58:06
  He has a great eye, followed his YouTube channel for years and
• 1:58:09
  yeah, he's probably one of the best lets players out there.
• 1:58:14
  But a lot of people don't know about, but he added a lot to it
• 1:58:17
  because he's like, yeah, this is what it's like, oh no, this
• 1:58:22
  isn't quite right. But like, He the game itself to
• 1:58:27
  recreate the Battle of Fallujah in if for those that don't know
• 1:58:32
  the Battle of Fallujah Iraq, the Second Battle of Fallujah
• 1:58:35
  specifically was basically our grunts cleared every house in
• 1:58:43
  Fallujah. Like a SWAT team and we lost a
• 1:58:48
  lot of good men in Fallujah. And it was one of, it's probably
• 1:58:53
  the most prolific, modern battle America has been in inter, in
• 1:58:58
  terms of a War battle. And those men went, they walked
• 1:59:03
  through hell and they did the job and as much as it sucks that
• 1:59:07
  we lost a lot of fine. Men, including a friend of mine.
• 1:59:10
  That's literally the guy that stood next to me at graduation.
• 1:59:13
  however, The the absolute like above and beyond the Call of
• 1:59:20
  Duty that those men all went through doing something that had
• 1:59:25
  never been done. Clearing is city house by house
• 1:59:28
  had never been done and it was an impossible task that they
• 1:59:33
  were given and they did it. So this game tries to recreate
• 1:59:36
  that by house layouts change. Every time.
• 1:59:41
  Every time you load up the map, the maps different.
• 1:59:44
  The houses are different. The street.
• 1:59:45
  Are different where enemies are placed or different, where
• 1:59:48
  civilians are placed is different.
• 1:59:51
  And if you shoot civilians and he fucks you over, you're not
• 1:59:54
  supposed to. But you'll run into a house in
• 1:59:57
  there will be a family full of civilians because that's what
• 1:59:59
  actually happened in Fallujah and the Gunplay is really
• 2:00:03
  realistic. The sound design is amazing from
• 2:00:06
  from everything. I've seen.
• 2:00:08
  It sounds, I've never been in a battle, so I can't say it sounds
• 2:00:12
  like a battle. What I can say, is, it sounds an
• 2:00:15
  awful lot like Being on a big gun range, you know I mean shit
• 2:00:19
  Poppin Off in different directions.
• 2:00:21
  It sounds like what you would imagine about a would be like
• 2:00:24
  though right? And devil devil dog says it
• 2:00:27
  sounds a lot. Like what?
• 2:00:28
  A battle sounds like. So I'll take his word for that.
• 2:00:30
  Yeah. But is it a first person
• 2:00:33
  shooter? Okay it's first-person shooter
• 2:00:39
  it's coming out very very soon. This was like the first big test
• 2:00:43
  they only gave out one level but the crazy.
• 2:00:45
  Part, is that one level? You can play it and it's never
• 2:00:50
  going to be the same. You know, you go through it but
• 2:00:54
  every house change. Yeah, the where the enemies are
• 2:00:57
  but not just like some games will switch up where the enemy
• 2:00:59
  placements are on a map, right? But this switches up the map
• 2:01:02
  itself to. So now this streets, now over
• 2:01:04
  here, and this, this house now has a Stairway upstairs where it
• 2:01:08
  didn't before and this house is a double-decker, we're used to
• 2:01:12
  be a single-decker right, like everything changes.
• 2:01:16
  And another thing that's really cool is it, they really played
• 2:01:20
  with the light which is a lot of soldiers.
• 2:01:23
  We'll talk about the hardest part of kicking in those doors
• 2:01:27
  is because Iraq, he's didn't have a lot of power at the time.
• 2:01:30
  There's not a lot of lights on in anybody's home, if any and
• 2:01:34
  so, adjusting from bright bright desert to pitch, dark house is
• 2:01:39
  where you get shot most of the time because your eyes need a
• 2:01:42
  second and their eyes are already adjusted, and they can
• 2:01:45
  see you coming in long before. You can see that.
• 2:01:49
  And it does seem to, I haven't played it like I said, but it
• 2:01:52
  does seem to capture that kind of tension.
• 2:01:55
  It seems to be probably one of the most historically accurate,
• 2:01:59
  first person shooters I've ever seen.
• 2:02:01
  They have veterans on the team that fought in Iraq.
• 2:02:04
  They have veterans on the creative staff and they're using
• 2:02:07
  veterans stories to tell the campaign of the game.
• 2:02:11
  So, wow, I am big supporter of the project.
• 2:02:15
  I think which listed on Steam, you know, you got none.
• 2:02:19
  Toulouse. It's free.
• 2:02:21
  It looks real good. Check out devil, dog gamer.
• 2:02:24
  Playing six days in Fallujah. I can't wait.
• 2:02:26
  I'll probably stream that one because it looks right up my
• 2:02:30
  alley. And and it's this is an
• 2:02:33
  independent game company. Yes they are.
• 2:02:40
  Independent, there was originally, I believe it was
• 2:02:43
  Konami originally pitched a game called six days in Fallujah in
• 2:02:48
  2005 or six. And then it just got shelved for
• 2:02:52
  like 10 years. And this new company, picked it
• 2:02:56
  up and I want to get their name, right?
• 2:02:58
  So forgive me, I'm looking at their steam thing right now.
• 2:03:01
  Not a problem. I was just asking because high
• 2:03:04
  high wire games. What have they made before?
• 2:03:09
  This, this is a this is their first project actually.
• 2:03:13
  So but it is a lot of Industry veterans from other companies.
• 2:03:18
  One I'm asking because this could be an opportunity need to
• 2:03:22
  maybe get some you know, people in the gaming industry on.
• 2:03:27
  Show me? Yeah, I talked, I talked to a
• 2:03:31
  lot of Indie devs. It happens when you're like
• 2:03:33
  shouting out, Indie Dev stuff all the time.
• 2:03:35
  Like, I try to do and I think I probably could fucking ask them
• 2:03:40
  for some kind of statement because the controversies in
• 2:03:43
  saying, so the left hates this game because they're saying that
• 2:03:48
  it's just glorifying war crimes, which it's not, They don't know
• 2:03:53
  what war crimes mean by and large, but that's no, just
• 2:03:57
  killing somebody in a war is not a war crime.
• 2:04:00
  Sorry leftist. It's not a war crime.
• 2:04:03
  Is kind of going outside of the fucking Rules of Engagement,
• 2:04:07
  which absolutely. There were some US soldiers that
• 2:04:10
  have done that throughout history, but to say that
• 2:04:15
  everybody that fought in Fallujah committed war crimes,
• 2:04:19
  makes you insane to say that. So, That's that's an insane
• 2:04:24
  thing to say, right? So I'll say this of, you know,
• 2:04:30
  not including like older War veterans, right?
• 2:04:33
  So not including Vietnam Vets, not including like World War,
• 2:04:36
  Two vets, anything like that just of Our Generation
• 2:04:41
  Millennials and even a little younger the guys that fought in
• 2:04:45
  Fallujah are probably some of the best.
• 2:04:48
  Hey, yeah. Think about what they went up.
• 2:04:51
  Ignore that the war was bullshit.
• 2:04:53
  I'm anti war is fun, especially Iraq.
• 2:04:56
  Right, as super anti-iraq, right?
• 2:04:57
  From the beginning. But that doesn't take away.
• 2:04:59
  The fact that what these gentlemen did was exceptional,
• 2:05:04
  like insane. Like, think about this, do you
• 2:05:09
  have the balls to kick in a door where there might be people
• 2:05:12
  waiting to shoot you? No.
• 2:05:16
  How about to do that? A thousand times in a week?
• 2:05:22
  Definitely not definitely not yeah and they did and they had
• 2:05:26
  to clear every fucking room of every house on every block in
• 2:05:31
  that whole fucking City that whole godforsaken city.
• 2:05:34
  And you want to talk about the used white phosphorus yet.
• 2:05:37
  That doesn't mean that Joe the private Joe Schmo committed a
• 2:05:41
  war crime. You anyway well what is the
• 2:05:45
  left? Is trying to bury this game.
• 2:05:48
  I highly recommend as well as well.
• 2:05:52
  Well of course of course they're trying to Bear it.
• 2:05:55
  I mean I mean, this is the other thing like for for as much as we
• 2:06:02
  hate for, as much as people might say, George Bush and be
• 2:06:07
  against the war. There's no reason to hate this
• 2:06:09
  soldiers who went to who went over there, because a lot of the
• 2:06:13
  soldiers, they thought they were fighting for, you know, they
• 2:06:19
  thought the war was justified. I know a lot of them might not
• 2:06:24
  think that now either, right? Not will not now.
• 2:06:28
  Dwight back. The thing is is one thing that's
• 2:06:31
  Universal to most, if I can't say all cuz there's exceptions
• 2:06:37
  but most people who served is like, they're just doing their
• 2:06:41
  job at that point. Once you're there, that's your
• 2:06:44
  job. You know what I mean?
• 2:06:46
  And they do it. Like, a lot of guys didn't
• 2:06:49
  necessarily agree with what the higher-ups were doing and the
• 2:06:51
  politics of the day. But when they say, okay, this,
• 2:06:55
  this house has five bad guys in it.
• 2:06:56
  We need you to go get there, they're going.
• 2:06:58
  To go do it and that I don't know you know people will point
• 2:07:03
  out oh well we're just sheep or whatever like there's a lot of
• 2:07:05
  people to hate military and Veterans and will make every
• 2:07:08
  excuse to say they're horrible people.
• 2:07:12
  But to call all of them were criminals, it was just I've
• 2:07:18
  never in that that was from Kotaku specifically.
• 2:07:20
  So it's understandable that Kotaku would say that but like
• 2:07:24
  all the major gaming Publications.
• 2:07:26
  They're having a blackout. Out on media coverage of this.
• 2:07:30
  Which doesn't matter because like I said, they gave the demo
• 2:07:34
  to all these like streamers and YouTubers.
• 2:07:36
  And you know what, every single one they gave it to was a
• 2:07:38
  fucking veteran. Fuck.
• 2:07:40
  You Kotaku you-know-who gets Early Access, not you Some
• 2:07:47
  veterans that fucking can tell you.
• 2:07:49
  Hey, this is a really realistic. You know what, devil, dog gamer
• 2:07:52
  said. It's a, he said it came a little
• 2:07:54
  bit of PTSD. It was so real.
• 2:07:57
  Damn, and he played work, like he plays shooter games.
• 2:08:02
  Basically for a living, he plays all very Shooters.
• 2:08:06
  Oh yeah. Well, well, that's the funny
• 2:08:08
  thing is, like, so I know guys who served over and Iraq and
• 2:08:14
  Afghanistan. And I'm like, I once asked my
• 2:08:19
  mom like, when it like, and they have PTSD, right?
• 2:08:24
  That's Wing, they struggle through and And I asked him, I'm
• 2:08:28
  like not being polite, but when applying like Call of Duty or
• 2:08:31
  something, when it that, like trigger your, you know, PTSD
• 2:08:38
  now, bro, it's it that if anything, that's like the way I,
• 2:08:42
  that's why I refer fucking relax after a day at work, like I
• 2:08:46
  cried up here and yeah, I was gonna say it's like the guy.
• 2:08:51
  It's like a race NASCAR driver, right?
• 2:08:54
  And then he plays According to recent right?
• 2:08:58
  Yeah. Yeah, you know it's the same
• 2:09:02
  thing. A lot of these guys look they
• 2:09:03
  like guns, you know, you get into the military.
• 2:09:05
  You're going to like guns guns. Yeah.
• 2:09:10
  If you like guns, there's some pretty dope Shooters with very
• 2:09:14
  realistic guns these days. And no shortage of, I mean,
• 2:09:17
  there's Squad. There's Arma.
• 2:09:18
  Now there's going to be six days in Fallujah Insurgency,
• 2:09:22
  Insurgency stance alarm CS go to some degree.
• 2:09:27
  I'm not the biggest CSI. Love valve.
• 2:09:29
  Yeah, I'm such a valve Fanboy. But csgo is just not my jam.
• 2:09:34
  I hate to say it. But I like six days in Fallujah
• 2:09:38
  might be, you know, and I'm looking forward to that it's
• 2:09:42
  coop. And it's it's not going to be
• 2:09:46
  like a story, you know campaign game as I understand it it's
• 2:09:50
  going to be set up a Mist cute because the map changes each
• 2:09:53
  time. It's going to be, this was the
• 2:09:55
  mission, go do this Mission and then move to the next mission
• 2:09:59
  in. The missions are all going to be
• 2:10:00
  based like the briefings are going to be based on stories of
• 2:10:04
  veterans who actually fought in Fallujah.
• 2:10:07
  So realistic. Hopefully, it looks very
• 2:10:10
  realistic, looks great. I could talk.
• 2:10:12
  See I'm so positive. About indie games and talk about
• 2:10:16
  them all day. I talked about this longer than
• 2:10:19
  I talked about blizzard. Being retired, are Activision
• 2:10:21
  being retarded. So yeah, yeah.
• 2:10:24
  Well you don't buy the album for go by fucking six days of
• 2:10:28
  Fallujah, you'll thank me later. Well and you know, and this is
• 2:10:32
  the thing with the free-for-all is, you know, we pitched out
• 2:10:36
  DeSantis and you know how bad things are undermined and but
• 2:10:41
  hey we're also talking to, you know, games.
• 2:10:44
  Speaking of things to be positive about though, Max.
• 2:10:49
  I am quite proud of myself because I might not be as much
• 2:10:54
  control as you are shmuly. but, I got under the skin of one
• 2:11:04
  Stephen King. Or at least his always does
• 2:11:10
  fanatical cult readership. Of which of which I find myself
• 2:11:20
  a member though. He's gone crazy in the last few
• 2:11:24
  years, I've read almost every book he's ever written including
• 2:11:28
  some of the ones since he's going crazy and guess what?
• 2:11:31
  Here's an unpopular Stephen King opinion, even the stuff he puts
• 2:11:36
  out now, even some of the stuff that has like literal anti-trump
• 2:11:39
  stuff in it. It's still good.
• 2:11:41
  He's still good writer, he's crazy.
• 2:11:44
  He's a political asshole, but Read Billy Summers, which just
• 2:11:52
  came out recently, and has a whole bunch of anti-trump shit
• 2:11:55
  in it. Of course, it's like this
• 2:11:57
  characters pro-trump, and he's a bad person or whatever.
• 2:12:00
  It's not really clever, okay? But despite that despite how
• 2:12:05
  annoying I find that despite how crazy he is, it's a good book.
• 2:12:09
  So as soon as I like he doesn't like have Pennywise dressed up
• 2:12:13
  in like a magnet hat or something weird.
• 2:12:15
  Like no, he's That's the thing is like he's not been on drugs
• 2:12:20
  in a very long time and his modern books are much more
• 2:12:25
  grounded in that respect. There's no clowns anymore.
• 2:12:32
  Mr. Mercedes as well as Billy Summers, both contain nothing
• 2:12:38
  Supernatural at all. Well Billy Summers has like an
• 2:12:43
  Easter egg call back to The Shining because they're at the
• 2:12:47
  spot where the hotel was and so there's like spooky paintings or
• 2:12:51
  whatever. But it's it's just an Easter
• 2:12:54
  egg. Like a lot of Stephen King's
• 2:12:56
  work that he writes now has no Supernatural in it at all.
• 2:13:00
  Yes, and that's been true since like the 90s.
• 2:13:03
  Well, Well so, you know, the people who I, he's still a
• 2:13:10
  raving leftist so go ahead. Yeah, I so much my view on
• 2:13:17
  Stephen King is I try to watch? I tried to read misery And I can
• 2:13:26
  get it. What?
• 2:13:27
  What an awful one to start with? So so so, oh, so that's my
• 2:13:33
  problem. Yeah, I started with misery and
• 2:13:36
  I'm like me. God misery is a great film based
• 2:13:39
  on a mediocre at best novel. Yes, he'll know the film, kills
• 2:13:47
  it. The novel she's a little more
• 2:13:50
  evil in the novel but other than that.
• 2:13:53
  Okay, so that's interesting because my opinion of Stephen
• 2:13:59
  King is wow, this guy is fucking overrated.
• 2:14:06
  Yeah, see I don't think so. I think he's one of the best
• 2:14:08
  character writers that there is but You know, he's he was also
• 2:14:15
  like in his prime, he was on ungodly amounts of drugs, all
• 2:14:19
  that shit's weird. And now that he's off drugs, a
• 2:14:22
  lot of like his druggy era fans don't like his new stuff because
• 2:14:27
  it's it's still character-driven which is what I like about him.
• 2:14:30
  He the man writes a good character and the characters
• 2:14:34
  take on life of their own. And the way he said that, he
• 2:14:37
  writes stories and is not necessarily like, okay, this is
• 2:14:43
  the beginning. This is Middle of this is the
• 2:14:44
  end, it's more. Like, how would this character
• 2:14:47
  react to this happening? And then from there, how would
• 2:14:50
  they react to it that happening? So it's very character-driven
• 2:14:53
  stories sometimes that works. Sometimes not so much,
• 2:14:57
  especially like misery where there's only really two
• 2:15:00
  characters. Then you can get real in depth
• 2:15:04
  on those two characters. But there's only two, usually,
• 2:15:07
  it's the interplay of several characters with clear, but
• 2:15:12
  differing motivations that mate. Right.
• 2:15:14
  The stand is one of his best for that reason.
• 2:15:17
  Because there's all these like, interesting people separated
• 2:15:21
  from each other many times having no idea what the others
• 2:15:24
  are doing, or even if they exist, and then they clash in
• 2:15:29
  interesting ways. Oh, got it.
• 2:15:31
  That's what he's good. Okay, well, fuck.
• 2:15:34
  I might have to get, I might, I might have to go, another
• 2:15:37
  chance. See you, do you see what you did
• 2:15:40
  Max? Do you see what you did?
• 2:15:44
  I wouldn't even say solo because late, well, unless you go to
• 2:15:47
  library, don't give him any money.
• 2:15:49
  I don't, I haven't in a long time.
• 2:15:52
  People buy me his new book. I can't really like, I got that
• 2:15:55
  Billy Summers. I got that as like a birthday
• 2:15:57
  present or something, but usually, I don't like to give
• 2:16:01
  him money because he's crazy. Yeah, well, so, so yeah.
• 2:16:06
  He is crazy and this is we so So okay, so fast.
• 2:16:12
  So back when I joined Twitter, I followed Stephen King and it,
• 2:16:20
  you know, it was because he's like, Up the pecking order, if
• 2:16:23
  you're talented. Now, first and foremost, you
• 2:16:27
  better have a communications degree.
• 2:16:30
  They're not even going to let you for an internship.
• 2:16:31
  If you don't have a communications degree reason
• 2:16:34
  being that. I think that's a negative is
• 2:16:38
  because what they teach and Communications now and what they
• 2:16:40
  used to teach in radio very different things.
• 2:16:44
  This is why there's so few great radio people on the internet.
• 2:16:48
  Jim might be the closest. Well, okay, speaking as Someone
• 2:16:52
  who has both a technical writing communications degree.
• 2:16:59
  And as one who, I mean, I've told this story before to like
• 2:17:06
  so when I was I would still 17 at the time and there was this,
• 2:17:15
  there was this local like conservative talk station in
• 2:17:20
  Denver, can you ask It's still around and there was like a
• 2:17:26
  there was a conservative like you know conference or something
• 2:17:32
  that I wanted to and I met I met some of the local you know Rado
• 2:17:37
  guys and one of them was Bill Rogan who did sports for them.
• 2:17:44
  He did play by play for like the for the Colorado.
• 2:17:50
  Avalanche at some point. And I got to talking to him and
• 2:17:55
  he, you know, and I told him about like the podcast and he
• 2:17:59
  was like, well, you know, do you have anything, you know that you
• 2:18:03
  could set send me? And as it turned out like I had
• 2:18:07
  a actually had with me a USB like one of those thumb drives
• 2:18:13
  with a couple of like MP3 you know, podcast files of my show
• 2:18:20
  so he wasn't that To them and like the next morning because
• 2:18:27
  this was like at a hotel over the over, it was like a 3-day
• 2:18:30
  thing, so I gave it to him on Friday night.
• 2:18:34
  He wasn't like that night. I guess came back to me the next
• 2:18:38
  day and said, wow, this is really good.
• 2:18:41
  Let me, let me talk to the station manager.
• 2:18:44
  About you write something like, yeah, so about what he's got
• 2:18:48
  like an internship or something. You know, after I get out of
• 2:18:51
  high school, Right? Like I'm going to Rush Limbaugh
• 2:18:55
  route here. Station manager comes over and
• 2:19:00
  says hey, you know, I really like your stuff.
• 2:19:05
  It's clear that you've got to however Salem and this is the
• 2:19:11
  other thing they were on their own device Salem Radio and he
• 2:19:16
  said you know Salem's corporate bylines changed a few years ago
• 2:19:21
  and now you have to have A communications degree and I'm
• 2:19:26
  like, and that's not as so Salem is I believe now a part of Clear
• 2:19:30
  Channel, almost everything. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:19:32
  Clear channel is Radio at this point and that's why it's dying,
• 2:19:36
  you know, all the things I said are Clear, Channel decisions
• 2:19:40
  that they're making, and I try not to be too critical because I
• 2:19:44
  have friends who work in the industry still, and yes, I don't
• 2:19:48
  think it's the worst thing ever. I just think the trajectory, the
• 2:19:51
  clear Channel's Taking radio down ends with essentially, the
• 2:19:55
  death of radio as we know it. But yeah, how you get in now is
• 2:20:02
  you're going to be a guy who's going to communications degree,
• 2:20:05
  then you're probably the probably wants you to have an
• 2:20:08
  English degree to or some other degree as well.
• 2:20:11
  And then, they'll probably also want experience and it's really
• 2:20:14
  tough to get an internship now. And so you still have to know
• 2:20:18
  somebody. So you have to know, somebody is
• 2:20:20
  still the thing. But now you have to know
• 2:20:23
  somebody and also have all these qualifications and then still
• 2:20:26
  get lucky because there's so many people for some reason.
• 2:20:30
  I'm the guy that ran away from Radio kicking and screaming in
• 2:20:33
  2004 but for some reason people still think there's huge career
• 2:20:38
  in radio. Let me tell you some, there's
• 2:20:41
  not there's not no you're not going to be Rush, you're not
• 2:20:45
  going to be any of these. You're not going to be Bill
• 2:20:49
  O'Reilly, you're not going to be any of that on the radio.
• 2:20:51
  I'm Sorry. It's just well, I mean you're
• 2:20:54
  going to you're going to press the button to play, the new
• 2:20:57
  Nicki Minaj song and say how much you love it. 14 times a day
• 2:21:03
  and that's your job. Yeah, that's that's your career
• 2:21:06
  in radio. Just so, you know, you press the
• 2:21:08
  button and you play wet ass pussy and you say that's been
• 2:21:11
  wet ass. Pussy, a 92.3 K WF M late.
• 2:21:16
  That's what you're gonna do, that's what you're going to do.
• 2:21:19
  You're not going to be telling jokes, right?
• 2:21:21
  And if You tell any jokes, they're going to be written for
• 2:21:24
  you. And there is not only going to
• 2:21:26
  tell you what to say, but they're going to train you
• 2:21:29
  before you go into the bit on how to say it, they're going to
• 2:21:32
  be like, okay? So when you say knock knock, you
• 2:21:36
  got to really tone it down, okay?
• 2:21:38
  And then the punch line you go up like they do this shit.
• 2:21:42
  I wish people could experience the bullshit that is modern
• 2:21:47
  corporate content creation firsthand the way I have,
• 2:21:51
  because It's really easy to pick it apart and shit on it.
• 2:21:55
  But the first thing is, how do you fix some of these problems
• 2:21:59
  without tearing the whole fucking thing down?
• 2:22:02
  I honestly don't know that specifically with radio.
• 2:22:06
  I think that radio is missing out on, like, what could radio
• 2:22:10
  be good for in the current year? Right?
• 2:22:13
  Sports right. A lot of people go out the house
• 2:22:18
  there. They like their sports ball game
• 2:22:20
  and they Watch it. But shit happens you can't watch
• 2:22:24
  it Sports on the radio. I think people still people do
• 2:22:27
  still listen to that actually that's pretty much.
• 2:22:30
  That's pretty much all I listen to the radio for anymore and
• 2:22:33
  it's mostly because and like there's no warning.
• 2:22:37
  Zeus like dick would have been the tail end of the morning, Zoo
• 2:22:41
  Opie and Anthony Howard Stern shit because they all moved off
• 2:22:44
  to other platforms when they started getting censored.
• 2:22:47
  So you're not going to find the good like comedic DJ stuff like
• 2:22:51
  you would attend. 20 years ago, right?
• 2:22:53
  No, no, you're not going to find, I mean, Russia's just
• 2:22:57
  brushes. Now with the city more, there is
• 2:22:59
  nobody as good as him on talk radio.
• 2:23:02
  There's a couple people that I like but I don't listen to them
• 2:23:05
  on the radio. I want them on a podcast.
• 2:23:09
  Yeah well one well one I won my friends it would not more videos
• 2:23:17
  but was actually a black hole fill who is on Twitter. or he
• 2:23:22
  pops in on the show, on occasion, he said to me after
• 2:23:26
  rushed died and I think this point I think this is actually
• 2:23:30
  pretty good point in the like if Rush Limbaugh was trying to
• 2:23:34
  start out today, he wouldn't be able like He'd he'd be a podcast
• 2:23:42
  or like, you know, why would it? Or they would have never liked
• 2:23:46
  giving him another chance on radio.
• 2:23:53
  Yeah, he wouldn't have got in. He didn't, he doesn't have the
• 2:23:55
  qualifications, that that's one. I mean he went to school for
• 2:23:59
  radio, but that's not a communications degree.
• 2:24:02
  That's an old-school broadcasting degree, which is
• 2:24:04
  like I'm saying, they're very different.
• 2:24:08
  Alright, what you learn in Communications today in college
• 2:24:10
  is nothing like what you would have learned in broadcasting, in
• 2:24:13
  1970, or whatever. Yeah, and I well, I mean he
• 2:24:18
  dropped. I mean, he was a College Dropout
• 2:24:21
  to To you know so like right. That was that yeah that wouldn't
• 2:24:26
  it but like even if he had even if he had gotten you know like
• 2:24:32
  had you know gone through the process like he would have
• 2:24:36
  gotten fired just being him and that woman it.
• 2:24:41
  Yeah, nowadays you wouldn't have got past the first broadcast.
• 2:24:45
  He's the, he's the only reason there was conservative talk
• 2:24:48
  radio, right? Like he was the only one doing
• 2:24:50
  it in the 80s and 90s at all. Yeah, at least until the late
• 2:24:55
  90s, when other people realize that there was a Mark.
• 2:24:58
  I mean, the guy was getting 30 to 60 million listeners every
• 2:25:03
  day, every day. Now that number is inflated this
• 2:25:06
  thing about radio, the numbers are kind of inflated because
• 2:25:09
  it's one, it's an estimate, they can't actually tell how many
• 2:25:12
  people tuned in, but to ooh, it's not everybody that listen
• 2:25:19
  to the full show, right? It's anybody that scanned over
• 2:25:22
  the channel as the show is on. Yeah.
• 2:25:25
  It's the elf 60 million. People didn't actually listen to
• 2:25:29
  the full Rush Limbaugh Show every day, but 60 million people
• 2:25:34
  were exposed to him for, I forget how long you have to stay
• 2:25:38
  on the channel, it's like 30 seconds or something like that.
• 2:25:43
  Yeah, it was it's something. It's the same reason.
• 2:25:46
  I go to fucking bat on YouTube and Rumble to some degree about
• 2:25:50
  their fucking fake view counts. Because when you're counting the
• 2:25:56
  numbers to show how good your platform is doing, it gets a
• 2:26:01
  little dicey and I do I think that all of these platforms
• 2:26:06
  fudge, their viewer numbers. Yes, 100%.
• 2:26:08
  I do Rumble included. Sorry Rumble.
• 2:26:11
  But you kind of do Merce didn't get millions and millions of
• 2:26:16
  fucking views around. Yeah.
• 2:26:19
  I know what you mean. You mean to tell me that you
• 2:26:21
  mean to tell me that we didn't like well and I mean that that's
• 2:26:25
  the That's like the that is also the intricate figures.
• 2:26:30
  I don't know if I share this with you, but like in the in
• 2:26:35
  like one of the last updates, they fixed a lot of the viewer
• 2:26:39
  count. And it turns out that like into
• 2:26:43
  turns out that contrary to what shmuel and, you know, in my
• 2:26:48
  defense I kind of got excited about this too, but Schmeling, I
• 2:26:52
  both thought that the current do a little interview had like 600
• 2:26:57
  views in the first week, right? That was kind of what it was
• 2:27:02
  shaping up to be. I just want back and it turns
• 2:27:07
  out that like it's only like 300 still really good.
• 2:27:13
  Just not like what we thought it was.
• 2:27:15
  It was I guess. So.
• 2:27:18
  Like, you know, and that could have just been like, people like
• 2:27:22
  that. And it comes down to what is a
• 2:27:24
  view, right? This is what I was just talking
• 2:27:26
  about. What is it?
• 2:27:26
  You Is of you, somebody sits down and watches the whole
• 2:27:30
  thing. A large portion of it, 10
• 2:27:32
  seconds of it. Like it's hard to say with all
• 2:27:36
  of these companies, that's why I say they all fudge the numbers
• 2:27:38
  because I think that they do, I'm a subscriber to the dead
• 2:27:43
  internet theory that most people that you're talking to our Bots
• 2:27:46
  and nothing has come about to dissuade me from that position
• 2:27:52
  that you're talking to a lot of people who aren't real.
• 2:27:54
  You're looking at a lot of results that are puffed up.
• 2:27:57
  Top one thing you can do is do a Google search on pizza, right?
• 2:28:01
  Just pizza the word pizza, if you do that it will tell you
• 2:28:06
  that there are billions of responses but if you go through
• 2:28:11
  them and you actually turn, you know, go next page, next page,
• 2:28:14
  next page you only get to about 40 pages of responses and then
• 2:28:17
  they run out. So it's certainly not 8 billion
• 2:28:21
  responses, it's more like 150. Right, shit like that.
• 2:28:28
  And so when I say the radio, I don't trust their fucking
• 2:28:31
  numbers, you televisions the same way, you know how they get
• 2:28:33
  television ratings. What it's it's all Nielsen, its
• 2:28:39
  people at its people have a little fucking box that not
• 2:28:43
  anymore. Not anymore.
• 2:28:45
  It used to be in the 90s and early 2000s.
• 2:28:47
  They put a box in your house and that's how they could tell.
• 2:28:52
  So, if you're a Nielsen family, you essentially accounted for
• 2:28:55
  like a hundred other families in your vicinity, right.
• 2:28:58
  So oh well, they're watching the thing.
• 2:29:01
  We're going to estimate that. This many people is also
• 2:29:04
  watching the thing that's They used to get them how they get
• 2:29:07
  them. Now is even worse, Nielsen
• 2:29:09
  families. Don't just get a box anymore.
• 2:29:12
  They get a survey and you fill out the survey and they send you
• 2:29:17
  like a hundred bucks. And so your survey accounts for
• 2:29:24
  lots and lots more people in your area.
• 2:29:26
  The probably don't have the same taste in television whose you
• 2:29:30
  and yeah, yeah, I was going to say that's as, as my friend,
• 2:29:35
  moorthy is likes to say that is sus as fuck.
• 2:29:39
  Well, in think about this, think about this, The demos, right?
• 2:29:44
  The demographics for those that are in the lingo of this kind of
• 2:29:47
  shit. How do they get 18 to 30?
• 2:29:52
  How many people eat? How many people 18 to 30?
• 2:29:55
  Do you think sit down and fill out a little booklet about every
• 2:29:59
  television that show they watched and then do a survey
• 2:30:03
  about how much they like them once a month for a small
• 2:30:08
  payment. How many people in that age
• 2:30:10
  bracket? Do you think actually do that?
• 2:30:13
  Like maybe five percent of we're being generous?
• 2:30:17
  I think 5% is way too generous and they actual number since it.
• 2:30:22
  Was a leading question because I do know the answer is less than
• 2:30:25
  1% less than 1% of people, between 18 and 30 are involved
• 2:30:29
  in the Nielsen rating system. So then, how are they telling us
• 2:30:35
  how many people are watching when they don't?
• 2:30:39
  It's well, even a representative sample, Well, then that will
• 2:30:43
  then that explains why, why we're always getting like shitty
• 2:30:48
  reality shows, like the Kardashians and yes, and
• 2:30:52
  whatever. This MILF man are like reality
• 2:30:55
  show is because it's that 1%, that is so dumb that they that
• 2:31:01
  they wobble that reality show crap right there.
• 2:31:04
  The one percent dumb enough to waste like hours and hours,
• 2:31:09
  watching, whatever on TV writing it all down for Said a hundred
• 2:31:13
  bucks, but I bet you that's way too high, but she's like, 20
• 2:31:15
  bucks. It used to be five back in the
• 2:31:19
  day it was five dollars so it can't be that high slit.
• 2:31:23
  Well I mean if I mean if I okay I but Boomers just just to
• 2:31:28
  contrast Boomers who are the most TV watching demographic?
• 2:31:34
  It's about five percent of Boomers who fill out the Nielsen
• 2:31:36
  stuff. So, yeah, this is why TV is
• 2:31:40
  Catered towards Boomers. And five children.
• 2:31:44
  My mother did not own a television like She did not have
• 2:31:49
  a television set like in her in her home when she was in her in
• 2:31:53
  her twenties at all. And then like she didn't even
• 2:31:59
  get it until she until she moved in with my dad.
• 2:32:05
  You know that. Like I mean that makes her an
• 2:32:08
  outlier because most Boomers. Oh yeah, no, no, no, she and I
• 2:32:12
  talked I thought all the time how she's an outlier.
• 2:32:15
  Yeah, most books Boomers. I put it like this Boomers were
• 2:32:18
  the Generation to have an imaginary friend in their home.
• 2:32:22
  The told them, they're the most special person on Earth from
• 2:32:25
  birth, and that's the television and the reason it told them that
• 2:32:29
  they were so special is because that was the demographic.
• 2:32:32
  They were advertising to, that's why there was so much kids
• 2:32:36
  content. And there were commercials in
• 2:32:38
  the 50s and 60s, they would put commercials for toys, even in
• 2:32:42
  the adult shows. Because back then they had the
• 2:32:44
  sense to know. Well, a lot of adults have kids,
• 2:32:47
  you know, TV was very fascinating.
• 2:32:52
  Well, yeah, and broadcasting. Like it's been a strange fucking
• 2:32:57
  trip through human history. Well to be honest, I do miss
• 2:33:01
  seeing cigarette ads in like comic books to that was proof.
• 2:33:06
  That was that was pretty fucking best.
• 2:33:09
  I'm going to be, you know. Yeah.
• 2:33:12
  Now you know you can't even have a character smoke even if it's
• 2:33:16
  part of their character because you can't show it on screen.
• 2:33:19
  And it's this, corpo people don't want to see life as it is.
• 2:33:24
  They want to see life idealized. No, that's not true.
• 2:33:28
  People relate more to life, as it is.
• 2:33:30
  Mars are know, there's a reason that more people relate to Peter
• 2:33:34
  Parker than Clark, Kent, right? Not to say that.
• 2:33:40
  People all hate Superman, that's not the case.
• 2:33:42
  A lot of people say they do, but it's not the people hate
• 2:33:45
  Superman. It's the Peter.
• 2:33:47
  Parker is the messy. Got shit going on.
• 2:33:52
  Can't figure out all his shit real life right.
• 2:33:55
  Superman who doesn't the only problem that he really has is
• 2:34:01
  not having Lois Lane find out that he's Superman, right?
• 2:34:05
  He does right real problems and so people gravitate toward the
• 2:34:09
  that's why I said, Peter Parker versus Clark.
• 2:34:12
  Kent. Not Spider-Man.
• 2:34:13
  Vs Superman. Because I think they both don't
• 2:34:16
  have real life problems when they're in costume, but when
• 2:34:20
  they're not in costume, Peter has a lot of relief crumbs
• 2:34:23
  people like that. It's the same with anything.
• 2:34:26
  If you can relate to something that you've been through or you
• 2:34:29
  can or you know, somebody who has or whatever it relates to
• 2:34:32
  you better than the cookie cutter clean, Corporal bullshit.
• 2:34:38
  Nobody lives to cookie-cutter clean.
• 2:34:39
  Corpo lifestyle. Nobody!
• 2:34:41
  We all, like the corporal's. Don't want you to know this.
• 2:34:46
  But we all take shits. Big sloppy shit's.
• 2:34:53
  Mine are human. We are Fallen.
• 2:34:55
  We are whatever, right? We're not beyond what we are,
• 2:35:00
  you know? But we if you want to try and
• 2:35:02
  pretend like this is the clean corporate world, where
• 2:35:04
  everything's perfect move like a people died at Disney World,
• 2:35:08
  okay wait, give me a break, come on the happiest.
• 2:35:12
  Place on Earth motherfuckers, be croaking.
• 2:35:19
  Yeah, I know that. That is true.
• 2:35:22
  Um they they don't like it though.
• 2:35:24
  They fucking. If people are like dying on
• 2:35:27
  Disney this is like a thing. They actually take them out of
• 2:35:30
  Disney so that they don't die at Disney if they can help it so
• 2:35:34
  silly. It's like, bro, people are gonna
• 2:35:37
  die. You know what I mean?
• 2:35:40
  A small percentage of people in a situation are going to fucking
• 2:35:43
  die if you have, as many people that go to Disneyland every
• 2:35:46
  year, Disney World, or whatever, the fuck somebody is going to
• 2:35:50
  not be in the greatest of Health, some accident is going
• 2:35:53
  to happen, right? Should happens.
• 2:35:57
  You know, that's life. And that's, that is why the
• 2:36:01
  corpo clean crisp broadcasting is dying.
• 2:36:05
  A very Horrific death whereas podcasting which is unclean so
• 2:36:14
  to speak. It's very raw.
• 2:36:17
  I mean this is about as real as it gets two guys with fucking
• 2:36:20
  microphone talking shit. People like that, right?
• 2:36:25
  Whether it be Joe Rogan, right? Like, let's not even it's not
• 2:36:28
  even talk. Politic podcast of people
• 2:36:30
  fucking love. Joe Rogan, most of the time, he
• 2:36:32
  ain't talking about politics once the time.
• 2:36:34
  He's talking about, dude, we didn't fucking Machine elves and
• 2:36:39
  all that other fucking crap he's into, right?
• 2:36:41
  And people love that shit that is clean, that ain't corporate.
• 2:36:45
  It was worth what 200 million dollars to Spotify, though.
• 2:36:49
  Right? Well, and that will.
• 2:36:51
  And that's, that's the whole thing too.
• 2:36:53
  Is, I think, you know, it's funny that you mentioned like
• 2:36:59
  this show. One of the other thing things is
• 2:37:01
  appealing a podcasting to is, you can mix it.
• 2:37:05
  You can mix it up. You can mix it up to as we've
• 2:37:08
  done because like when I was, when I started podcasting, like
• 2:37:14
  you had your political body as and then you add your sport
• 2:37:17
  podcasts and then you had your There were all these categories.
• 2:37:22
  And now it's like freeform, you know, we talked about in
• 2:37:24
  politics, we talked how we've talked about radio, just the
• 2:37:28
  technicals of it for the past, you know.
• 2:37:34
  It's not even but the technicals it's mostly like radio
• 2:37:36
  Nostalgia. But yeah.
• 2:37:39
  Look that's my background right? And it's, you know, important
• 2:37:45
  that I can actually share some stuff that people don't know.
• 2:37:48
  Like most people have never been behind the scenes in the music
• 2:37:50
  industry at all and like, people love that show.
• 2:37:54
  I mean that's why there's all these successful, wait Behind
• 2:37:56
  the Music and shit people love. But it's it sounds great when
• 2:38:03
  you're talking about Ossie sniffing lines of ants, right?
• 2:38:06
  It sounds crazy. And Fantastical when you're
• 2:38:10
  talking about like what Motley Crue got up to in the 80s or
• 2:38:13
  something but the, the majority of the music industry is boring
• 2:38:19
  is grind. E is the creativity is just sat
• 2:38:26
  right the fuck out of it. This is why Most artists went in
• 2:38:30
  D. The one smart thing is like the
• 2:38:32
  music industry side of things on.
• 2:38:34
  I've been talking about radio all this time, right, but where
• 2:38:37
  do the record labels fall? Well, they have been on the ball
• 2:38:42
  and I don't think people realize it.
• 2:38:44
  They have digitized very smartly in one other way.
• 2:38:48
  They've kind of modernized as well.
• 2:38:51
  You see, nowadays, you don't get signed to a major record label
• 2:38:56
  anymore. Right, right, that's not right.
• 2:38:59
  That's not what happens. What happens is.
• 2:39:01
  You start your own record label and then they suck.
• 2:39:06
  They bring you in under their Banner reason, being is all
• 2:39:11
  they're going to do is publish your CDs, this it or get your
• 2:39:15
  music on to Spotify or whatever they're not going to.
• 2:39:19
  Except in rare cases, fund you to make the album like, you have
• 2:39:23
  to do that yourself. Now, for the most part, unless
• 2:39:26
  you're well-known late, If you're fucking Metallica, then
• 2:39:30
  somebody's going to pay for your fucking recording, right?
• 2:39:33
  But if your up-and-coming band or rapper, or whatever you have
• 2:39:37
  to fucking do that yourself, you have to do set up your own
• 2:39:40
  tours. You have to create and sell your
• 2:39:42
  own merchandise and they offloaded all of that shit from
• 2:39:46
  the record labels onto the individual artists.
• 2:39:49
  So, even artists and you might be thinking, oh, that sounds
• 2:39:52
  like independent artist, right? But Kanye West is an independent
• 2:39:58
  artist, right? Eminem is an independent artist
• 2:40:01
  dr. Dre is an independent artist,
• 2:40:04
  all of them have their own record labels in a distribution
• 2:40:07
  deal. That's how the industry works
• 2:40:08
  now and It's smart on their part and they what they did is they
• 2:40:16
  watched all these independent labels, we're the only thing
• 2:40:19
  they really needed was somebody to print their CDs and in some
• 2:40:22
  point in the mid 2000s they were like, hey yo, what if we print
• 2:40:26
  your CDs for you you know, and they were like that would make
• 2:40:31
  things a lot. All these Indie artists that
• 2:40:33
  would make things a lot easier. I already know because they
• 2:40:36
  missed out on the era where the right record labels did all that
• 2:40:39
  shit for you, right? So it's very DIY to get
• 2:40:41
  yourself. Notice in the music industry now
• 2:40:43
  right, get Word of Mouth out there.
• 2:40:45
  You have to have that viral video.
• 2:40:47
  You have to have something for them to even pay attention to
• 2:40:50
  you, right? It's, that's why so many
• 2:40:55
  artists, just release their music online.
• 2:40:57
  If you ever wondered, there's so many independent artist.
• 2:41:00
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:41:01
  And for free most of the time and then they ask you to go buy
• 2:41:05
  the full download of the fucking album or whatever but you can
• 2:41:08
  totally stream it on Spotify, they do that because the money
• 2:41:12
  is not in the record sales and it never really was except for
• 2:41:15
  the record label. Right?
• 2:41:18
  The money touring in merchandise, that's where it's
• 2:41:20
  always been. Yeah.
• 2:41:22
  Well, and, and now like, I I have a, I have a lady friend who
• 2:41:27
  I went to high school with who she is.
• 2:41:33
  She's now like she's now an she's an indie artist.
• 2:41:38
  She's an indie country artist and she releases all of her
• 2:41:44
  songs as singles. Yeah.
• 2:41:47
  And I and I actually talked to her, we still chat like on, you
• 2:41:53
  know, Facebook messenger and I asked her.
• 2:41:55
  I'm like so, when are you going to release, you know, an album
• 2:42:00
  of music? And she's like, she's like, are
• 2:42:02
  you kidding me? It's Too expensive to produce to
• 2:42:05
  produce a whole album. It's expensive just to get, you
• 2:42:07
  know, not the time for one single.
• 2:42:10
  That's that's how a lot of artists do it.
• 2:42:13
  And what I would suggest to this woman is what a lot of them end
• 2:42:16
  up doing. Take those singles, right?
• 2:42:20
  Put them on a record, have 300 copies, made selling for twenty
• 2:42:24
  bucks, your fans will buy that shit.
• 2:42:28
  Oh yeah. You know what I mean?
• 2:42:30
  And that's the thing you do when you're doing it all yourself,
• 2:42:33
  like that, you actually don't need to make all that much
• 2:42:35
  money. Here's a great.
• 2:42:37
  I hate to get too much into the music Biz stuff, but it, but
• 2:42:40
  it's, you know, it is interesting.
• 2:42:42
  When you think about it, how much money when he was signed,
• 2:42:46
  not now, because now it's the whole independent thing, but
• 2:42:49
  when he was signed to a record deal, how much money per album?
• 2:42:54
  Do you think the Eminem got mind?
• 2:42:57
  You the Average price of an album at the time was $15.
• 2:43:01
  What part of that $15? Do you think Eminem receive be?
• 2:43:05
  And I pick Eminem because he was the biggest artists in the world
• 2:43:07
  at the time, right? Okay.
• 2:43:09
  Okay. You're asking how much money he
• 2:43:11
  received personally per record. Yes.
• 2:43:15
  Okay. And we're talking after, We're
• 2:43:20
  talking after Studio fees. Have Personnel, gets paid after
• 2:43:24
  everybody gets their cut. What is Eminem's cut?
• 2:43:29
  from $15, probably like A dollar 25, maybe?
• 2:43:37
  Yeah, yeah, actually, now because it's the same genre, but
• 2:43:42
  not a big, big label, right? The Insane, Clown Posse own
• 2:43:46
  their own record label. They were one of the first
• 2:43:48
  independent record labels in the country.
• 2:43:50
  How much do you think they made per record?
• 2:43:52
  They sold a lot less, right? A lot less, right?
• 2:43:56
  Eminem. Sold like 15 million of one of
• 2:43:58
  his records. Their biggest selling record of
• 2:44:01
  all time was 2 million and that was a mistake.
• 2:44:03
  Studio. So that one doesn't even count
• 2:44:05
  towards this. So we're talking.
• 2:44:07
  They sell maybe 500 to 700 thousand records.
• 2:44:10
  How much do you think an independent artist at the same
• 2:44:12
  time? Period, got per record.
• 2:44:15
  Probably like 12 dollars. You're actually really good at
• 2:44:21
  this. You're actually really good at
• 2:44:23
  this. Most people don't know that.
• 2:44:24
  Well, yeah, that wouldn't even be able to guess.
• 2:44:27
  Well, yeah, an independent, the point being an independent
• 2:44:31
  artist made ten times as much per record sold as the biggest
• 2:44:38
  artists in the world. Yeah, so I mean, the other thing
• 2:44:41
  too, is my, my late grandfather. The one who had Just has to
• 2:44:46
  February. He was in, he was in publishing,
• 2:44:51
  he wrote like to, why was in publishing?
• 2:44:55
  He was he was in Human Resources.
• 2:44:58
  Back in the bag Works. He worked at a publisher to some
• 2:45:01
  degree. I like he's in.
• 2:45:02
  Yeah, I would call that in publishing.
• 2:45:05
  Well, well point is, is he wrote he wrote to business books.
• 2:45:12
  That were like, very successful back in the 80s.
• 2:45:18
  And so, he, he worked with the traditional publishing method
• 2:45:24
  and he explained the process of like, writing the manuscript and
• 2:45:28
  that having to meet with agents and doing the revisions and all
• 2:45:32
  that stuff. And he said it was a pain in the
• 2:45:34
  ass that was all, you know, you had then went then when I moved
• 2:45:40
  to Florida like Almost 10 years ago now that was when Amazon and
• 2:45:47
  yes, yes, I know the audience. I know that are my audience
• 2:45:52
  hates Amazon because big corporate or whatever.
• 2:45:56
  I okay, I get that. But as core pose go, I don't
• 2:45:59
  find them particularly bad. Well, neither, do I specifically
• 2:46:04
  for this reason around the time I moved here, they they opened
• 2:46:10
  up kindle. Crate and basically said, hey,
• 2:46:14
  you know, what, we're gonna, what anyone publish their books
• 2:46:18
  on, you know, Kindle and we're just going to, you know, open up
• 2:46:27
  the marketplace. So, long story short, my
• 2:46:30
  grandfather was still very Savvy.
• 2:46:32
  Took one of these books that you had written back in like 1990
• 2:46:38
  reworked a bit. Because he was very Savvy.
• 2:46:43
  He understood like, social, media and whatnot.
• 2:46:46
  Any kind of rewrote it to make it, you know, more, I guess,
• 2:46:51
  updated for the time published it on Amazon Kindle.
• 2:46:58
  And now was a New York Times bestseller.
• 2:47:02
  No. But he actually sold a couple
• 2:47:04
  hundred but he was able to expose, copies it, take take,
• 2:47:08
  take something old right, he was able to take something.
• 2:47:12
  He'd already done and rework it and sell it for more.
• 2:47:16
  There's a guy that does that in gaping, I can't think of his
• 2:47:19
  name spiderweb games. They've been making like these
• 2:47:22
  really long, really autistic RPG games since the 90s but they're
• 2:47:26
  good right there. Well written there, well put
• 2:47:28
  together and he's been remastering those games every
• 2:47:32
  couple of years to make sure that they're like as modern as
• 2:47:35
  can be for fucking 25 years and he makes a lot of money doing
• 2:47:40
  it. I don't think he's released a
• 2:47:41
  new. New game in like 15 years, he
• 2:47:44
  just keeps remaster in the old ones and more power to them, but
• 2:47:49
  that's the power of self-publishing.
• 2:47:50
  And that's why I walked away from radio.
• 2:47:53
  And when I said I was in the music.
• 2:47:54
  Yeah. I only dealt with Indie artists,
• 2:47:56
  right? I never it's the same with like,
• 2:48:00
  you know, I've published a couple books through
• 2:48:03
  self-publishing back in the day, nothing I would chill, or
• 2:48:08
  anybody would go find but that was like, It was like magic, you
• 2:48:16
  know, like you could just publish, you know, and the
• 2:48:19
  internet's. The same thing to me when I
• 2:48:21
  first heard about internet radio, after I had just left the
• 2:48:24
  radio, I was like this is amazing.
• 2:48:28
  I can just do a show now back then back admired a but we were
• 2:48:33
  covered by the radio loophole on the radio loopholes.
• 2:48:36
  Yes. That if you're a radio station,
• 2:48:38
  you can play music and so I did I've played music for years.
• 2:48:44
  Ears. I got rid of my 3 a.m. time
• 2:48:47
  slot. I got the midnight time slot
• 2:48:50
  which is actually really good for the radio and particularly
• 2:48:53
  the kind of shit that I was playing.
• 2:48:55
  And, and it fucking was amazing. I no one ever told me what to
• 2:48:59
  say, not once. Yeah, that the guy that ran the
• 2:49:03
  station was like, yeah, he say whatever you want when I when I
• 2:49:07
  started pot, when I started podcasting, you could still
• 2:49:10
  play. Like you could still play like
• 2:49:14
  Actual like and when I say actual music, I don't mean to.
• 2:49:19
  I don't mean that like royalty free music isn't still music
• 2:49:24
  because it is but you know you could play it like songs like
• 2:49:27
  people new. So like I would play like the
• 2:49:32
  Beatles as like bumper music on One show and then like the who
• 2:49:41
  you know, I would have liked a rotation well.
• 2:49:44
  What I was, I was kind of limited on that in, in the sense
• 2:49:48
  like I was serving in audience. Well, you know, that audience
• 2:49:52
  wanted like Cutting Edge hardcore underground, hip hop in
• 2:49:58
  metal and there. And that's what we play.
• 2:50:01
  But that never stopped me from playing Johnny Cash.
• 2:50:04
  Then never stopped me from playing shit that I like.
• 2:50:07
  And the other thing is and this was like I still think that this
• 2:50:10
  was so groundbreaking for the time and I wish I could do.
• 2:50:14
  Like this today. But I don't think it's possible
• 2:50:17
  where I used to just say set because it was Internet.
• 2:50:20
  It's a whole different format, you can interact with people.
• 2:50:23
  That was my favorite fucking part, interact with the audience
• 2:50:26
  directly not just callings anymore but you have a chat and
• 2:50:29
  you have like people can send you stuff.
• 2:50:31
  And so I was like hey this is a 2004 2005, send me your shitty
• 2:50:37
  rap song, I'll play it and then the audience will vote on it and
• 2:50:42
  if people like it I'll play it. In rotation and yeah, I
• 2:50:46
  discovered I met lifelong friends that way, great artists
• 2:50:52
  that I've been friends with for a very long time Loki actually
• 2:50:56
  submitted to me, one of his songs in those days and it was
• 2:51:00
  so fucking good. I didn't even care what the
• 2:51:03
  audience vote, as I'ma play this again.
• 2:51:06
  Fuck you. Yeah.
• 2:51:08
  But they all loved it and so I got him in and did an interview
• 2:51:11
  with him, talked to him about music.
• 2:51:14
  I've done a couple interviews with Loki over the years.
• 2:51:16
  He's really cool guy, but that's how it used to be.
• 2:51:19
  They was just the wild west we're playing music.
• 2:51:21
  We're trying to figure out the format trying to figure out how
• 2:51:24
  you interact with the audience, right?
• 2:51:27
  A lot of people why people still haven't figured that part out.
• 2:51:30
  Interacting with the chat online is tricky business, if you're
• 2:51:33
  fucking stupid. Well yeah, I mean so here's
• 2:51:39
  coach. It pro tip for streamers,
• 2:51:41
  somebody says something super nasty and chat but It actually
• 2:51:44
  upsets you just don't read it just just ignore them.
• 2:51:48
  Yeah, yeah don't yeah don't don't well it also Pro tip don't
• 2:51:55
  be like Owen Benjamin in the literally read the chat out
• 2:52:00
  loud. Why can't ya as you're reading
• 2:52:03
  it for the first time because that's that's what trolls count
• 2:52:07
  on its. You not also also shout-out to a
• 2:52:11
  silly Kelly for 20 in the chat who also guess.
• 2:52:14
  It's $1 for Eminem. Oh, excellent and see.
• 2:52:21
  And that's how you interact with chat.
• 2:52:23
  I saw something positive and I said it, but the other thing is,
• 2:52:27
  is have a sense of humor, right? Because I know if I read
• 2:52:32
  something mean, says something mean, written about Sam and
• 2:52:35
  chat, he's just gonna laugh, right?
• 2:52:39
  And so like that's what you do, you do, you know, you could
• 2:52:43
  always be like little chat That's gonna that's gonna wind
• 2:52:51
  you up on kiwi Farms, though. You know, and live stream fails
• 2:52:55
  and everything else like wow, chat does what chat does you
• 2:52:59
  just gotta let him do it. Yeah and you know on the fat
• 2:53:02
  side though, don't ban them. Yeah I mean that is that is
• 2:53:07
  another thing though is I is okay so like I wasn't I wasn't
• 2:53:13
  missing like trained like broadcasting, but like having
• 2:53:20
  grown up wasn't was having grown up like wasn't him to Rush
• 2:53:24
  Limbaugh as often as I did. Like there's certain like
• 2:53:29
  etiquette or I when I went to groans the etiquette, but
• 2:53:33
  there's stuff you pick up along the way and stuff.
• 2:53:38
  I picked up that I, you know, to this day audiences He's a shit
• 2:53:43
  and it is a big thing that rush I was talking about like he
• 2:53:47
  wouldn't be here you said I wouldn't be here if it wasn't
• 2:53:52
  for the audience and that is night and day from someone who's
• 2:53:56
  like from someone like and I know this is a horrible example
• 2:54:01
  but Ethan Ralph. Who's like I'm the greatest in
• 2:54:04
  the sector, you know? You all ain't shit without me
• 2:54:12
  you know and give me money. Basically right.
• 2:54:18
  Like, like all the things that you don't do in radio Ralph does
• 2:54:26
  and he has done for you. It's, I would say, not just him,
• 2:54:31
  most streamers are particularly the grift types, right?
• 2:54:34
  That are constantly begging for donations goes against
• 2:54:38
  everything, traditional radio stands for You're not supposed
• 2:54:44
  to ask them to just throw money at you, you're supposed to sell
• 2:54:46
  them, something? Well yeah, which which by the
• 2:54:50
  way because spoiler alert eventually people resent you.
• 2:54:55
  When you're constantly being like, I need you to send me
• 2:54:58
  money right now. Yeah, yeah we yeah.
• 2:55:05
  So there's there's a guy East on Twitter, but back, during back
• 2:55:11
  when I was back, When I was kind of back when I was kind of like
• 2:55:15
  watching Owen Benjamin for the walls.
• 2:55:19
  This was after, you know, the group had left thing, like, we
• 2:55:24
  were watching Owen and evil, Eric, who was in our, like, hang
• 2:55:31
  out group goes, my God, this is, this is, this is worse than NPR
• 2:55:38
  public radio at this point, because Owen was literally doing
• 2:55:42
  like the we need your donations to keep, you know, this thing
• 2:55:47
  going just like NPR used to do and still do and yeah but at
• 2:55:53
  least in the case of NPR PBS or whatever, they're like publicly
• 2:55:57
  funded and they're not allowed to have like a corporate backer
• 2:56:01
  and so it like makes sense but also also in the case of PBS and
• 2:56:05
  NPR they do that spot once an hour.
• 2:56:10
  These guys will do it every five minutes, you know what I'm
• 2:56:12
  saying? And then they get pissy, you
• 2:56:14
  mentioned audience appreciation. I've never seen less of that
• 2:56:19
  than from streamers who didn't meet their goal.
• 2:56:22
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tara Groves say what you will
• 2:56:27
  about Terry Gross, but she's not Banning people from chat because
• 2:56:33
  because they made a meme that hurt their fear, that her
• 2:56:38
  feelings, Right. Yep.
• 2:56:45
  I mean, it's a, it's a wild world.
• 2:56:48
  Now is streaming Lee. You never like, I'm still
• 2:56:51
  learning new shit all the time. Oh, yeah.
• 2:56:53
  No, I'm not. I'm not saying that.
• 2:56:56
  It's not. We're all still learning.
• 2:56:58
  I'm just saying that. Like, I think, oh, I think a lot
• 2:57:02
  of these people who aren't streaming.
• 2:57:06
  I don't think they ever like watch like, an even like a
• 2:57:11
  regular, like, welcome news broadcast before because Cuz
• 2:57:16
  they just have, like, no. Technique, what's up?
• 2:57:21
  What's up? Her for right now?
• 2:57:22
  It seems or broadcasting of any kind.
• 2:57:27
  Yeah. I mean I took a lot of
• 2:57:30
  broadcasting classes and things and I still am not.
• 2:57:36
  It is because I haven't been in radio the whole time, right?
• 2:57:39
  And I've been doing her thing, so I'm less disciplined than
• 2:57:42
  maybe. I should be, there's a bit more
• 2:57:45
  arms and Oz, but one thing I'm great at is fill in dead are
• 2:57:49
  right with whatever, like people aren't even people think I'm
• 2:57:52
  being rude to because they've never been in traditional media
• 2:57:56
  of any kind and so like you'll be not like I do this on your
• 2:58:00
  show all the time if you're not talking and it doesn't look like
• 2:58:03
  you have something to say imminently.
• 2:58:06
  I'm going to fill for time, does that because it's Instinct for
• 2:58:10
  me because I've been doing this kind of content for so long, and
• 2:58:14
  yeah, we got doing it to step over them.
• 2:58:16
  It's not. It's just if you leave five
• 2:58:20
  seconds of dead air, that's torture to an audience.
• 2:58:24
  Which ladies and gentlemen is one of the reasons it's I mean
• 2:58:28
  it's not the reason but it is one of the reasons why I wanted
• 2:58:32
  to bring Max onto the show and why he is here because he's good
• 2:58:35
  at filling. You know, dead air and when you
• 2:58:39
  have to manage when I have to manage tabs and you know what,
• 2:58:43
  not and gather stuff for the show, it's not always easy for
• 2:58:48
  me for me to multitask. So from the forever shmuly to
• 2:58:53
  fill dead are, you know, it's it's a, it's a win-win.
• 2:58:59
  He gets to say insightful shit people.
• 2:59:01
  You people realize how important that is, I'm not just
• 2:59:04
  bullshitting to talk over, Sam. I'm not just trying to drown
• 2:59:08
  everybody out. I'm not trying to be the focal
• 2:59:10
  point of the show. It's just like, okay, nobody's
• 2:59:15
  saying anything. It's y'all got to carry the
• 2:59:17
  conversation forward. That's something that was beat
• 2:59:20
  in to me quite extensively in the early days and that's one
• 2:59:25
  you know II still screw up and I almond on occasion.
• 2:59:29
  Yeah I use I use local vernacular that maybe not
• 2:59:33
  everybody understands you're not supposed to do that either but I
• 2:59:37
  think Wicked cool. Anyway.
• 2:59:38
  The but huh, love it. Well, what the whole arms and
• 2:59:45
  ours thing to? As I just said that, do you
• 2:59:51
  think that's really that much of an issue now with like
• 2:59:53
  podcasting? No.
• 2:59:55
  Because the bar has been lowered solo, like ever writes,
• 2:59:59
  everyone's Tick-Tock livestreams.
• 3:00:01
  I've watched you Tick. Tock life.
• 3:00:03
  Oh God. I well let me put it this way.
• 3:00:06
  I've never lied. I've never watched a whole Tik
• 3:00:09
  Tok why I've just run bitch with her phone like hey guys, I'm so
• 3:00:14
  cool. And they're always looking like
• 3:00:16
  like I'm trying to do the eye thing where I'm not looking at
• 3:00:19
  the phone and then looking at it because they do that and they
• 3:00:22
  almond aw and they sit there. I don't know, five minutes.
• 3:00:27
  I mean, God Ralph does this rate?
• 3:00:28
  He just sits there and doesn't say anything and he's like
• 3:00:32
  watching CNN or something like that.
• 3:00:35
  I could never, I could never do that.
• 3:00:37
  I do reaction stuff. Right?
• 3:00:40
  But you've seen my show with, if I have reaction stuff a I have
• 3:00:44
  it all set ready to go. Be there's a lot more of me
• 3:00:47
  talking. In fact, that's half the problem
• 3:00:50
  when we try to get through a dice golden film which is 5
• 3:00:53
  hours fucking long, I'm stopping to talk about it.
• 3:00:57
  Luckily that film ground me down to where I didn't have much to
• 3:01:00
  say about two hours in. But I did speaking of audience
• 3:01:04
  appreciation, I did promise my audience.
• 3:01:06
  We would watch the whole fucking thing and you sure did.
• 3:01:10
  Well, that's what's so that that's what's so frustrating out
• 3:01:13
  like about. Like, you know, again, I'll
• 3:01:16
  break up murch and Ralph to some extent is like Merce.
• 3:01:22
  Take constant, smoke breaks. Which is it just leaves?
• 3:01:26
  He just leaves. I swear to God if I ever did
• 3:01:30
  that on even internet radio like I guess I guess the cool thing
• 3:01:35
  with no radio is. I could play three songs in a
• 3:01:37
  row and go take a piss, right? Well yeah, what at what I'm
• 3:01:41
  saying? What I'm saying though Max is
• 3:01:43
  like You know he he make like if anything backs were putting too
• 3:01:50
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  know who can't do it as read or have an app, or even an ad to
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  save his life or his campaign is Rhonda sanctimonious.
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  So let me ask you this, have you ever been a guy?
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  That's got a lot of potential. Maybe you could one day, run for
• 3:05:02
  president and Decided. Yeah, fuck all that, I'm Rhonda
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  Santa's. Not me.
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  I voted for a guy who unfortunately has no.
• 3:05:20
  Here's a, here's a real question is, have you ever have you ever
• 3:05:24
  had like a friend who has potential to do a whole lot and
• 3:05:30
  becomes a pussy-whipped Bitch by some broad?
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  Yes. No, no, it's a serious
• 3:05:37
  comparison. I think in a way, right?
• 3:05:39
  Is like, you got that buddy, right?
• 3:05:41
  And in my case, it was actually my brother one of my brothers
• 3:05:45
  and he has this girlfriend and all the sudden he turns into.
• 3:05:50
  Yes, dear, you know, and he's doing shit that we would never
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  do that. Like, why would you wear that
• 3:05:56
  stupid fucking shirt, bro. What is wrong with you?
• 3:05:59
  Hmm. Girlfriend likes it.
• 3:06:02
  The girlfriend she is. It's me feel special.
• 3:06:05
  That's Ron DeSantis right now with the unit party.
• 3:06:09
  He is a pussy-whipped, bitch. So yeah, I think we can agree on
• 3:06:15
  that. But like, and in all honesty,
• 3:06:18
  like I was sitting on the I went, I was sitting on the
• 3:06:22
  fence, but I was so kind, like, okay, well if Trump doesn't get
• 3:06:26
  in, maybe I could vote for him. But now with him doing that,
• 3:06:31
  like Okay, so here's my question.
• 3:06:34
  The defect is it the Deep fake or is it?
• 3:06:37
  Yeah. Because there's a couple things
• 3:06:39
  he's done recently, but the deed fake is pretty rough.
• 3:06:43
  Okay. Yeah.
• 3:06:44
  So specifically, with the deal with the Deep fake, right?
• 3:06:48
  The the the argument for DeSantis that, you know, that
• 3:06:53
  we've always heard from the Ron cambers.
• 3:06:57
  Well, he's Trump without Trump's asshole, wish behavior and he's
• 3:07:01
  not a Only like Trump but I'm sorry.
• 3:07:05
  Ron kind of through that kind of threw that through out the
• 3:07:09
  fucking window when he, when he, when he unleashed the dirtiest
• 3:07:14
  campaign ad of all time. There are, this is worse than
• 3:07:20
  when George w--. Bush.
• 3:07:23
  Said, that, John McCain, had an illegitimate black son.
• 3:07:28
  It's actually worse attack than that, I would say.
• 3:07:31
  Wait, fake. It's fucking fake.
• 3:07:37
  Oh yeah, yeah. Like Trump like let's, let's not
• 3:07:41
  fucking pretend like actual history.
• 3:07:43
  Didn't happen. I watched dirt when they were
• 3:07:46
  doing those the news conferences with Trump every day during the
• 3:07:50
  pandemic, I watched all of them. I watched it until they stop
• 3:07:53
  showing it. So you right now that this
• 3:07:58
  notion that Trump agreed with fauci.
• 3:08:01
  Where the fuck did that come from this?
• 3:08:04
  Trump lambasted fauci on National Television many, many
• 3:08:09
  times and said he was wrong, and he was more lean in on that
• 3:08:13
  whatever the other broad that they ended up firing.
• 3:08:16
  He listened to her a hell of a lot more.
• 3:08:18
  He was a lot more respectful to her.
• 3:08:20
  He was not nice to fauci. That's why that's why the left
• 3:08:23
  started to love fauci is because they saw him as being picked on
• 3:08:27
  by Trump and Trump Yad. Like they and and there were
• 3:08:32
  some things early on, especially the Trump agreed with him on but
• 3:08:36
  like yeah, newsflash to all the people angry about fauci lying.
• 3:08:40
  He lied to Trump to. Yeah, figured it out and started
• 3:08:44
  calling him out on it. Then if you notice, when he
• 3:08:47
  really started calling fauci out in press conferences and those
• 3:08:51
  are all a matter of public record, you go back and watch
• 3:08:52
  him. And you see if what I'm saying
• 3:08:54
  is fucking true but the last like weeks worth he was in fauci
• 3:08:58
  fucking face. He was saying, I don't know,
• 3:09:00
  maybe we should fire him and get somebody else in here and that
• 3:09:04
  was when all the major networks said we're not going to cover
• 3:09:06
  the press conference anymore. Yeah.
• 3:09:09
  Yeah. Well and willing to be fair in
• 3:09:12
  the very big and the very beginning of the pandemic, no
• 3:09:15
  one knew what the fuck. Covid-19.
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  We're valid and we found them to be not as big a deal as we
• 3:09:44
  thought one of the questions was, will the hospital's be
• 3:09:47
  overrun? That was a serious concern.
• 3:09:50
  I understand that. A lot of people now are like,
• 3:09:52
  well, covid-19 ever that bad, it was never gonna.
• 3:09:54
  We didn't know that, right? And so the idea of like, okay?
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  Okay, everybody stay home for about two weeks.
• 3:10:01
  So we can figure this out and see the capacity of the
• 3:10:05
  hospitals and maybe work on, you know, it true.
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  Even specifically said Therapeutics he didn't even say
• 3:10:12
  the vaccine at first. He said Therapeutics because the
• 3:10:15
  repute ixora actually going to make a bigger deal than a
• 3:10:16
  vaccine that's true with the flu.
• 3:10:18
  It's true with everything, right?
• 3:10:19
  If you have a med that you can take to make to mitigate the
• 3:10:22
  symptoms, that's actually better than a vaccine in a lot of ways.
• 3:10:26
  Yeah but that was all that was all reasonable.
• 3:10:29
  It's that at that point I feel like fauci knew he had them by
• 3:10:35
  the balls and suddenly he was the dictator of Earth and he
• 3:10:38
  wasn't going to let that go. And in the news media, loved him
• 3:10:42
  for it, so they pushed him to and but Trump trump was not
• 3:10:47
  hugging dr. Fauci, during those press
• 3:10:51
  conferences, he called him a son of a bitch at one point like
• 3:10:55
  nobody remembers. This was I the only one there?
• 3:10:59
  No problem. Trump isn't buddies with fauci
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  Jesus? No, I, and, I could expect that
• 3:11:06
  attack maybe from a Democrat but to, um, from Rhonda Santa's when
• 3:11:11
  I say to sell out, man, he's de Brutus now, right?
• 3:11:15
  Rhonda Brutus dabbing his Caesar right in the fucking back and
• 3:11:21
  it's gotten so bad, that even a lot of the people who were like,
• 3:11:26
  even a lot of the people I know who were for DeSantis that I
• 3:11:31
  respect. They're like, well, I can try
• 3:11:35
  vote for. I'm not sure I can vote for de
• 3:11:38
  santis now, he really fuck. Yeah, fucked up.
• 3:11:41
  Now, he can be deep fake to Santa's or dishonest to Santas.
• 3:11:47
  I call. I some new ones, I I believe
• 3:11:50
  that called and deep fake to Sanders yesterday, or let me see
• 3:11:56
  what Did I what did I call my mom?
• 3:11:59
  I loved it. I loved it because like, here's
• 3:12:01
  a little Insider for the fucking The Listener.
• 3:12:05
  Sam comes into other gilded server and he's just like, did
• 3:12:09
  DeSantis really do a deep fake ad on Trump?
• 3:12:13
  And I was like yes. And he is like, no really really
• 3:12:17
  are you kidding me? Yeah, yeah.
• 3:12:22
  I'm I'm like I'm like the Des and azra and then Max like yes.
• 3:12:27
  And then I'm like And I'm like, oh Morty has actually sent me
• 3:12:32
  the thing, holy shit, this is this is fucking bad.
• 3:12:37
  So I don't know how they thought that wasn't going to go badly.
• 3:12:43
  That like that's that's the Miller that well, that's the
• 3:12:48
  million-dollar question, right? Like who thought that that was
• 3:12:51
  going to work. I don't know.
• 3:12:56
  I it's the same thing. I've been asking, I said I had a
• 3:12:58
  theory for you earlier, so I but I wanted to get it on.
• 3:13:01
  Air is, why is he going to run at all?
• 3:13:06
  Because he knows the Trump is just trouncing him in the polls.
• 3:13:10
  It didn't make sense. I kept saying this on the show,
• 3:13:12
  why are you doing this to yourself?
• 3:13:16
  And I think I figured out the answer.
• 3:13:19
  Yeah, I know. Because they told him somebody
• 3:13:22
  told him. Well, hey, if we don't get On
• 3:13:25
  the Manhattan charges. Then we're going to get them on
• 3:13:28
  these new doj charges are coming out because what are the odds
• 3:13:31
  that DeSantis announces and then just a few days later they
• 3:13:35
  charge Trump with 32 fucking counts.
• 3:13:41
  Yeah. Yeah I do think DeSantis is the
• 3:13:43
  face of the unit party and more than that I think this is this
• 3:13:47
  is the hot take. I think the Democrats want to
• 3:13:51
  get Trump out of the way. And I think they want to see it
• 3:13:55
  just to beat Biden. And the reason is because they
• 3:14:00
  don't want another four years of Biden because he doesn't listen
• 3:14:03
  to them, he doesn't. This is think about Biden, like
• 3:14:06
  a bunch of right-wingers wouldn't understand is that the
• 3:14:10
  left wing doesn't like what Biden's doing either.
• 3:14:13
  They're not happy with him at all because either he's not
• 3:14:16
  going far enough. Or they don't like certain
• 3:14:18
  policies that he's done. Like the Keystone XL pipeline is
• 3:14:22
  a pretty, pretty unpopular to close that one, when everybody's
• 3:14:26
  paying through the nose for gasoline.
• 3:14:27
  Yeah. Well And then they don't think
• 3:14:29
  they can handle another four years of abiding disaster.
• 3:14:33
  I actually think the rank-and-file Democrats want
• 3:14:36
  DeSantis because he's the boogie man that they can control versus
• 3:14:41
  Trump. Who is the bull in the china,
• 3:14:43
  shop versus Biden, who just does whatever the fuck he wants.
• 3:14:48
  And sometimes occasionally they get what they want out of it,
• 3:14:51
  but not very often. And everybody that thinks the
• 3:14:55
  Biden isn't making his own decisions.
• 3:14:58
  Look at how goddamn incoherent. They are next to each other.
• 3:15:03
  I think he's making all the decisions to be honest with you
• 3:15:06
  I think people aren't giving Biden enough credit for the
• 3:15:09
  things he's fucked up, I think Biden.
• 3:15:11
  He's way more credit because I think he's making these
• 3:15:14
  decisions as an unhinged old, man.
• 3:15:18
  And that sometimes they trick him into doing what they want
• 3:15:22
  with certain framing, right? Like, I mean, the generals the
• 3:15:29
  generals didn't want to pull out of Afghanistan but we had
• 3:15:32
  already agreed to pull out of Afghanistan.
• 3:15:35
  And so Biden's just like, hey why don't we move this worst
• 3:15:39
  pull out since Vietnam, that'll make everybody happy.
• 3:15:43
  There's no way the generals instructed him to do the pull
• 3:15:46
  out the way he did. There's no fucking way.
• 3:15:49
  So You could say, you could say come Allah or the
• 3:15:53
  administration, or these people are leading him by the nose, but
• 3:15:56
  that one decision there. He sure as fuck wasn't listening
• 3:15:59
  to generals because even Millie, even Millie who is his little
• 3:16:03
  butt, buddy, fucking left. His General was like, yeah, we
• 3:16:06
  shouldn't go out at all. Right.
• 3:16:09
  But but if we do pull out, yeah, here's the plan for a pull out.
• 3:16:13
  This is how we're going to do it.
• 3:16:15
  None of that happened. So he wasn't being advised by
• 3:16:17
  the generals and I just think buying was, like, listen here,
• 3:16:21
  Jack, we're gonna pull him out then and they're like, mr.
• 3:16:27
  President, we don't have enough transportation to get everybody
• 3:16:30
  out of Afghanistan in an immediate fashion and he's like
• 3:16:34
  just get them all out now. I told you I'm the president.
• 3:16:38
  So so you were so, okay. So let me get this, right?
• 3:16:43
  So you basically think that mr. Magoo is in fact running things,
• 3:16:48
  but he was me, but he's mr. Magoo yeah.
• 3:16:52
  Yeah, yeah. He's well, I mean, if you
• 3:16:54
  remember, if you remember the whole, the whole gimmick of mr.
• 3:16:58
  Magoo wasn't just that. He was an old man and bumbled
• 3:17:01
  his way through, I see it. Well, it was that it was yeah,
• 3:17:05
  it was They can just see but but like, somehow, mr.
• 3:17:11
  Magoo always ended up like failing upwards again, to in
• 3:17:17
  politics, but also like it's a good in that.
• 3:17:20
  Like, that's the best by analogy I've ever heard is its president
• 3:17:23
  Magoo because he couldn't see clearly write Rhymes.
• 3:17:27
  So actually mr. Magoo, if you think about it,
• 3:17:31
  acted very rationally, almost all the time, based on what he
• 3:17:35
  thought. Was there.
• 3:17:37
  It's just that it wasn't anger. It wasn't a tiger.
• 3:17:40
  It was just a little dog, but like he saw tiger, so he acts
• 3:17:44
  like there's a tiger there. That's Joe Biden.
• 3:17:48
  Ya know, Joe. Biden.
• 3:17:49
  In a nutshell, he's like, you know, I I've called him mr.
• 3:17:52
  Magoo for years? Because that what Ali is out.
• 3:17:55
  How I see except he doesn't fail upwards, he just fails That's
• 3:18:03
  that's the beauty of weiden. He's just like Keystone XL.
• 3:18:07
  Let's shut that down would will win over the greens.
• 3:18:10
  It's like, okay, you might win over the greens.
• 3:18:12
  What about everybody else? She's gonna pay way more gas, a
• 3:18:16
  fucking let's just let's just use up all the reserves.
• 3:18:22
  Oh, that'll never come back to bite Us in the ass.
• 3:18:25
  Oh I didn't I didn't call him. Deep eggs is hand is sorry
• 3:18:28
  yesterday on Twitter. I hold him dirty.
• 3:18:31
  Santa's, that is dirty that deep fake was dirty.
• 3:18:38
  Damn. I'm saying, if you're gonna deep
• 3:18:40
  fake competing politician, I feel like he should have made
• 3:18:44
  Trump like link. Make the video of trump pissing
• 3:18:47
  on a bed and be like. Yeah.
• 3:18:49
  See it was real. That's a better deep fake than
• 3:18:53
  hugging to Santa hugging fauci or whatever.
• 3:18:55
  Right. Like.
• 3:18:56
  Oh, the P tape was real like that might actually move numbers
• 3:19:01
  and then a lot of people would believe it was real anyway,
• 3:19:04
  right? Yeah.
• 3:19:06
  Yeah. If you don't eat all I'm saying,
• 3:19:10
  deep fake. You better be going balls, deep
• 3:19:13
  fake. You know what I mean?
• 3:19:14
  Don't none of this pussy shit. Oh he hugged this guy because
• 3:19:18
  that might have really happened. It's Bill that there was an
• 3:19:22
  event somewhere where Trump shook his hand and gave up
• 3:19:25
  because Trump's affecting Trump's very Hands-On, guy
• 3:19:30
  shakes, everybody's hands and hugs him, right?
• 3:19:32
  So it's not something that could be impossible, but then as soon
• 3:19:36
  as people find out it's fake, they're like, what the fuck, why
• 3:19:39
  would you do that? But if you made a tape of trump
• 3:19:44
  balls, deep up in a big Burly, dudes ass.
• 3:19:50
  A lot of people would just assume that it's real.
• 3:19:53
  And they be like, oh my God, Trump's gay.
• 3:19:58
  All I'm saying is if you go deep fake use it to its full effect.
• 3:20:04
  Yeah yeah just go. Oh well well I mean so here's
• 3:20:08
  how bad things have gotten for the Santa's even even Tim pool I
• 3:20:14
  know and again I'm agreeing with you what do you guys like Tim,
• 3:20:19
  pours horrible but even even Temple most milk toes
• 3:20:25
  fence-sitter was outraged. Urged by the, by the Deep bag.
• 3:20:31
  Oh, he's not a fucking fence sitter anymore.
• 3:20:34
  He's a fucking. Yeah, I'm not surprised.
• 3:20:38
  He would be outraged. This is exactly the kind of
• 3:20:40
  thing he gets fake. Outraged about.
• 3:20:42
  But yeah, everybody even a lot of the Santa's supporters didn't
• 3:20:45
  find that. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, no that
• 3:20:49
  that's that. Well, so so here's the other
• 3:20:52
  thing. So the sand is did that
• 3:20:56
  yesterday, right? And then Trump also later in the
• 3:21:04
  day he got indicted for the EM for like, the umpteenth time
• 3:21:11
  time, right? And so, and he couldn't have
• 3:21:18
  just come out and been like, like, this is, what would make
• 3:21:21
  sense if I was to Santa's, it is wrong with the doj is doing
• 3:21:27
  That's it. You don't have to say what he
• 3:21:30
  doesn't have to go into detail, just it's wrong.
• 3:21:35
  Yeah, he didn't do that the first time Trump got indicted
• 3:21:38
  and that was when I knew well we'll see though here's what's
• 3:21:42
  interesting this. The first time Trump got
• 3:21:45
  indicted Rondon and mention him by name this time Ron did use
• 3:21:50
  Trump by name and I'm like well that's a bit scummy ever you.
• 3:21:53
  Like now he's trying to like backtrack because you know, he
• 3:21:57
  knows he fucks up with the he knows you fucked up with the
• 3:22:02
  defect so now he's like trying to appeal He's Trump supporters,
• 3:22:06
  I guess it's not going to work. That's the thing he was never
• 3:22:11
  going to win over the Trump supporters.
• 3:22:13
  I don't know why he even tries if you're going to be see, he's
• 3:22:17
  decided that he's going on the Insurgent candidate act like
• 3:22:20
  one. Well, okay, I I can tell you
• 3:22:23
  why, Matt, I can tell you exactly why he's trying to be
• 3:22:30
  Trump, right? Because, I don't know about like
• 3:22:35
  I don't know about like the papers over and over worry, I in
• 3:22:40
  Massachusetts. But here like the ones of saying
• 3:22:45
  that DeSantis was actually worse than Trump because he's a lot
• 3:22:49
  more. He's Trump without the, you
• 3:22:51
  know, without the a whole Factor.
• 3:22:53
  So you can't make fun of this. And it's like, you can with
• 3:22:57
  Trump, which makes more dangerous.
• 3:22:59
  So, I think the same this somehow has in his in his Brain
• 3:23:04
  that he's that he's like Trump 2.0, right?
• 3:23:08
  It's like all the wannabe podcasters who like see
• 3:23:12
  themselves as Rush Limbaugh 2.0. You know, there's only one
• 3:23:18
  though. You're not, you're not going to
• 3:23:19
  be able to replace replace them. Yeah, I think if they screw
• 3:23:26
  Trump out of the nomination, what's going to happen is you're
• 3:23:30
  going to see lower turnout in 2024 than we've ever seen
• 3:23:33
  before. Well, because I, because I
• 3:23:37
  probably will not vote if that's the case.
• 3:23:39
  Because at that point, I have now decided that the elections
• 3:23:42
  are just so rigged. That there's no point in me.
• 3:23:45
  Taking part of it. Yeah, me me to.
• 3:23:48
  I because so basically, DeSantis, you never get my vote.
• 3:23:52
  So I don't know, I don't know what you're Well, I may die, so
• 3:23:57
  I have to be honest for me, the deal for me, the Deep fake
• 3:24:01
  thing. Real was really was a turning
• 3:24:04
  point up until up. Until now I would have said.
• 3:24:09
  Okay, well, I, you know, up until today I would have said,
• 3:24:16
  okay, I might not like him, but I might not like everything but
• 3:24:21
  I'll still vote for the Sanders because Atlee because he's not
• 3:24:28
  you know, the left but by doing this deep thick thing, he
• 3:24:32
  pronounced reveal that. He's the in a lot of ways he is
• 3:24:36
  acting like a leftist and he's acting like pre Trump GOP, which
• 3:24:44
  is the pussy-whipped bitch I was talking about, right?
• 3:24:47
  It's like yeah I got. Hey guys, maybe we shouldn't
• 3:24:51
  spend so much money. Shut the fuck up racist.
• 3:24:54
  Okay, sorry sir. That's that's, that's the GOP
• 3:24:59
  is, if that's what we're gonna go back to like, like, ignoring
• 3:25:02
  the rigged election part, right? Like let's say, I don't believe
• 3:25:05
  that part of it. If we're gonna go back to that,
• 3:25:08
  I'm going to go back to leaving the GOP.
• 3:25:11
  I've not always been a registered Republican and in
• 3:25:15
  fact, I wasn't for the longest time before Trump because it
• 3:25:19
  wasn't my party and if it's going to go back to that, I
• 3:25:22
  won't be my party. Figure out something else.
• 3:25:27
  Yeah, and see as like I have I have been registered at Sea.
• 3:25:34
  Like, I guess from, I guess, for me and for like, I know people
• 3:25:39
  want my age who have also said, don't leave the Republican party
• 3:25:45
  so they're going to they're going to lose a lots of young
• 3:25:48
  people. Most, here's the thing that they
• 3:25:52
  don't get is that conservatives under 40 are overwhelmingly?
• 3:25:57
  They Might not they might not support Trump over DeSantis
• 3:26:00
  right now but they're overwhelmingly Maga people
• 3:26:03
  anyway. That's why he's going around
• 3:26:06
  saying I'm just like Trump but not as mean because they're Maga
• 3:26:09
  people. See.
• 3:26:12
  You're just gonna give the bag of people back over to the
• 3:26:15
  fucking the kind of Eye of Sauron.
• 3:26:18
  And and then any of us that were principled or came in for that,
• 3:26:25
  you know, Millennials especially Millennials is, the biggest
• 3:26:28
  voting demographic now, and you don't like, if you alienate
• 3:26:32
  them, the Boomers aren't going to be here to save you in 20
• 3:26:35
  years, bro. You know what I'm saying?
• 3:26:38
  Like, the boomers are already, not the biggest generation.
• 3:26:40
  They should not be the first concern of a lot of these
• 3:26:43
  politicians and you might say, well, younger people don't vote.
• 3:26:47
  Yeah. Which is exactly why the
• 3:26:48
  Republicans shouldn't spend a lot of time on Zoomers, but
• 3:26:52
  Millennials are in the age bracket where you vote and they
• 3:26:55
  do vote and they vote overwhelmingly for Trump and
• 3:26:59
  Maga candidates, at least the right-wing ones.
• 3:27:02
  So like yeah, maybe you need to refocus.
• 3:27:05
  Maybe the party does need to going forward.
• 3:27:08
  Represent its largest demographic, which is promo.
• 3:27:12
  Maga Millennials. That is the biggest group in the
• 3:27:16
  GOP right now. Yeah.
• 3:27:19
  And if and if buying it somehow does like, you know, at will a,
• 3:27:26
  if it's Trump ends up in prison, there were there will be riots
• 3:27:32
  in this country. Like I'm not, I'm not saying
• 3:27:35
  that to like, say there should be riots or anything like that.
• 3:27:40
  I'm saying I think there will be saying I'll Hoist the Black
• 3:27:45
  Flag. If they go that far, Yeah like I
• 3:27:52
  will maybe not partake in a riot but I will show moral support.
• 3:27:58
  Oh yeah, I'm not I'm not discouraging that because I'll
• 3:28:02
  tell you why I'll tell you why because at that point it's not a
• 3:28:06
  right is not a political protest.
• 3:28:08
  It's a resistance. It's an actual resistance
• 3:28:12
  because at that point, if they're going to put the leading
• 3:28:16
  presidential candidate, not just leading the Republicans but The
• 3:28:19
  leading presidential candidate. Who's beating everybody in the
• 3:28:22
  polls in jail. That's a Banana Republic, so
• 3:28:27
  it's no longer. Yeah, longer me, just sit by and
• 3:28:31
  say, well, maybe we'll get them next time.
• 3:28:33
  At that point, it is an Insurgency against the hostel,
• 3:28:40
  hostel fucking dictatorial. Fucking regime.
• 3:28:44
  Yeah. And Yeah.
• 3:28:47
  Yeah, I will support the people who oppose that, I just don't, I
• 3:28:52
  don't think it's going that route.
• 3:28:54
  I don't think they're actually gonna be able to put him in
• 3:28:56
  jail, which means that I think Bo bleep.
• 3:29:00
  Basically, my scenario requires them putting him in jail without
• 3:29:06
  the evidence to actually do so, which is Banana Republic.
• 3:29:09
  Shit. I don't think they're gonna go
• 3:29:13
  that route anyway. I know Max but it but what?
• 3:29:17
  I don't think they're going to go that route.
• 3:29:19
  I the max but I think I want to I just don't think they can.
• 3:29:24
  Well I yeah, I would agree with both of the statements either.
• 3:29:29
  But why me? I'll say that.
• 3:29:31
  If they said I would do manage. I also wouldn't be surprised
• 3:29:36
  either, if that makes sense like you, like I wouldn't be
• 3:29:40
  surprised. It's either.
• 3:29:41
  I'm not that. That's why I'm laying it out
• 3:29:43
  there. You know when Biden quote
• 3:29:46
  unquote, one in 2020. I sat down with my wife and I
• 3:29:49
  was like this guy's suck. We're going to be poor for a
• 3:29:53
  couple years. We're gonna have to tighten our
• 3:29:55
  budgets and she was like, really you think?
• 3:29:57
  And I was like, oh for sure. And that was in like November of
• 3:30:01
  2020. So I knew this was coming but
• 3:30:05
  this time this time I haven't forgotten 2020.
• 3:30:10
  No, you can say, whatever the fuck you want.
• 3:30:13
  I watched them pulling ballots out of the ceilings after they
• 3:30:16
  send people home bro. You can tell me no evidence, all
• 3:30:19
  you want. I watched them.
• 3:30:19
  Pull the shit out of the fucking it under the table.
• 3:30:22
  I saw Trump come out and 1:00 a.m. he comes out at 1:00 a.m.
• 3:30:27
  and says they're gonna bring into am trucks of ballots, and
• 3:30:29
  then an hour later I'm watching video, I was up.
• 3:30:32
  I was watching it live. There did pulling in fucking
• 3:30:34
  ballots from out of nowhere. They just got found.
• 3:30:38
  They just get found to have Have literally tampered with Dominion
• 3:30:43
  voting machines, in Arizona, in the last election in 2022.
• 3:30:48
  I am nobody's talking about that.
• 3:30:51
  Where's your nose? Where's dominions billion dollar
• 3:30:53
  lawsuits about that. Why isn't why isn't that
• 3:30:56
  evidence in the lawsuit? The evidence that they actually
• 3:30:58
  are doing what is being claimed? And here's the other two.
• 3:31:04
  Like, okay. So I get your theory about the
• 3:31:08
  sand is being the union Party candidate in.
• 3:31:11
  That may be the case. Now I'm not but I just want to
• 3:31:14
  clarify one thing. I'm not entirely sure he knows.
• 3:31:18
  It? Oh no, he oh no.
• 3:31:21
  Well no, I would agree with you on that.
• 3:31:23
  He doesn't he doesn't know that either.
• 3:31:26
  But to my point Max, you're talking at the election fraud in
• 3:31:31
  Arizona, last year, believe me. There was believing.
• 3:31:36
  And here's here is the one thing that I will say, like, this is
• 3:31:42
  awesome. Why?
• 3:31:43
  It's so baffling to me, why does Santa's I guess turned on Trump
• 3:31:47
  the way did because when the sand is was running for
• 3:31:54
  re-election, as for discovering the last year, the Dems were
• 3:31:58
  what I like trying to do the same shit to get Charlie Crist.
• 3:32:04
  Re-elected, they got, they got caught like stuffing ballot
• 3:32:08
  boxes or trying to and like a couple of US postal workers
• 3:32:14
  work. I like, Trying to dump like
• 3:32:17
  boxes of ballots, with Santa's name on the side.
• 3:32:21
  But apply when truth is the truth is and this hurts a lot of
• 3:32:25
  people. And it's the thing you weren't
• 3:32:26
  allowed to say anywhere, but the truth is, is that there's fraud
• 3:32:29
  in every election Sometimes it's just around the edges.
• 3:32:34
  Sometimes it's swings the whole fucking thing, right?
• 3:32:37
  But but no, but like that. But like, that's what I'm,
• 3:32:40
  that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying though.
• 3:32:42
  Max, is it baffles? What, what baffles me is the
• 3:32:45
  fact like this, and just somehow thinks that because he's nicer
• 3:32:50
  than Trump quote, unquote, that he will be exempt from the same
• 3:32:55
  treatment. I I thought so too.
• 3:32:58
  Now I think he I think, to some degree he knows they're gonna Go
• 3:33:01
  easier on him than Trump. I just don't think he realizes
• 3:33:04
  it's because he's controlled opposition because that's what
• 3:33:06
  he is. Yeah.
• 3:33:08
  Well, I think they'll go. I think they'll go easier on
• 3:33:12
  them. I still think they fucking hate
• 3:33:13
  him. Oh, they're still gonna call him
• 3:33:15
  hit like you can't control the far left, especially like the
• 3:33:18
  street activists and they would hate him as much or more than
• 3:33:22
  Trump probably more. Even though it's like no reason
• 3:33:26
  to just because he's the guy now.
• 3:33:29
  So yeah that's how I operate. Yeah.
• 3:33:33
  Well they called Bush Hitler. They called Romney Hitler.
• 3:33:36
  They called. Yeah, I'm Hitler.
• 3:33:38
  They were right about McCain, you know, broken clocks and such
• 3:33:43
  everybody's been Hitler. Everybody's a racist.
• 3:33:46
  This is nothing new for them. It just, it worked really well
• 3:33:50
  on Zoomers who consumed media that rig.
• 3:33:54
  Agitated that idea to them and then they regurgitate it back
• 3:33:57
  back and forth the Zoomers like that.
• 3:34:01
  They're the only ones nobody else did.
• 3:34:04
  Yeah. Well well well the Zoomers
• 3:34:06
  literally under they what? I don't read history they were
• 3:34:10
  they literally don't know like what World War Two was so there
• 3:34:14
  I their idea of a Nazi to be fair to Zoomers.
• 3:34:18
  Their entire history that they've been taught is this
• 3:34:22
  modern revised leftist history anyway.
• 3:34:25
  Yeah, it's not entirely their fault.
• 3:34:28
  I'm not, I'm not saying, I'm not saying it's their fault.
• 3:34:31
  I'm what I'm saying is there, they don't have the capacity to
• 3:34:35
  discern based on actual historical cost, ya and that's
• 3:34:40
  true. I just wanted to point, well I
• 3:34:42
  don't, I feel like I shit on Zoomers more than I should.
• 3:34:46
  No, no. I lied to backtrack and say
• 3:34:48
  look, Look, what are they teaching these kids about
• 3:34:50
  history in school as younger people, I've talked to, when
• 3:34:53
  they talk about World War Two in history that they learned in
• 3:34:56
  school, it literally amounts to the Holocaust week.
• 3:34:59
  They don't have a lot of, like, the geopolitics of what was
• 3:35:03
  going on or anything like that. Yeah, woman.
• 3:35:07
  Well. And then even, even like,
• 3:35:08
  starting the Holocaust which I did.
• 3:35:11
  And, you know, when I like that, yeah, Jews were killed in the
• 3:35:16
  Holocaust but there's there's So much more nuanced like to the
• 3:35:21
  Holocaust to. And it there was so much more to
• 3:35:25
  that to that whole, you know, trap that, you know, genocide.
• 3:35:31
  But but the point is, is that that's all they've learned about
• 3:35:36
  right rise. And so, from that perspective,
• 3:35:40
  without all the context, it's just like, well, Nazis, bad
• 3:35:43
  people who are bad now or like Nazis.
• 3:35:46
  That's why they do that. It's a Guttural thing for them
• 3:35:51
  and they've always done it and they will do it with the Santas.
• 3:35:54
  They'll do it again with Trump, obviously, probably way worse
• 3:35:57
  than the first time. And whoever comes down the pike
• 3:36:01
  in 2028 and Beyond the left isn't going to stop calling
• 3:36:05
  everybody fucking Hitler. Just because the Santa sees
• 3:36:08
  nicer, which he's not, he's not because he's a liar who puts out
• 3:36:13
  fake ads, that's way meaner than Trump's Mean Tweets.
• 3:36:17
  At least when Trump Mean Tweets. He Like Rosie O'Donnell is fat
• 3:36:19
  and your like she is fat though. She do be thing.
• 3:36:27
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And people and people will I go.
• 3:36:31
  So here's the 10, here's one. I was getting sick of is you
• 3:36:35
  well, women fat pigs only Rosie only Rosie.
• 3:36:40
  Well, here's the, that's the best debate moment of all time
• 3:36:45
  because they thought that had him up against the wall, he you
• 3:36:48
  call him and fat pigs, just Rosie.
• 3:36:52
  But deadpan is I love trophy. He's like I'm not gonna deny
• 3:36:59
  that because I totally did that. But just Rosie the fact that it
• 3:37:05
  was Megyn Kelly who, you know, was one who asked that question,
• 3:37:12
  which Yeah. I mean started a whole fucking
• 3:37:17
  story arc for her. Yeah.
• 3:37:20
  That one question, sent her on quite the journey, you know.
• 3:37:26
  Yeah. Well and then and then she was
• 3:37:28
  awesome on. There was like, criticizing
• 3:37:30
  Trump for dating Playboy models and then, what do you know,
• 3:37:35
  people are trying to find her spicy picks Well, hey here's the
• 3:37:41
  thing, right. Chomp, mmm morally.
• 3:37:45
  Not not my kind of guy. Ah, I get it though.
• 3:37:50
  He's Rich, right? Me dated, beautiful women.
• 3:37:52
  And yeah, would I prefer somebody that like married one
• 3:37:56
  woman and stayed with them? Yeah because it's more relatable
• 3:37:59
  to me but I do feel it's kind of dirty pool that people use his
• 3:38:05
  past, you know, romantic entanglements against him,
• 3:38:08
  considering none of us. Private.
• 3:38:11
  He's one of the most public people since the 80s, right?
• 3:38:15
  And every like, everybody knows that he's divorced and every
• 3:38:19
  like everybody knows that shit. Well, like, it's not like in
• 3:38:22
  2016 or 2015 when he announced that, people didn't know this,
• 3:38:27
  right? Well and one and and to be fair,
• 3:38:31
  like, what are the things that I am actually?
• 3:38:34
  This, this was one of the reasons why was a big Trump fan
• 3:38:38
  like, It all seriousness was because when all the when all of
• 3:38:44
  the Playboy Playmate has stopped hanging out Trump was like yeah
• 3:38:49
  I I you know I fucked a couple Playmates.
• 3:38:54
  So what I'm not dropping out whereas like you know for
• 3:38:59
  comparison Herman came back in 2012, who was my favorite
• 3:39:05
  candidate at the time to run against Obama?
• 3:39:09
  He was Was he was creeping everyone.
• 3:39:12
  In the primaries that the leftmost panicking, they didn't
• 3:39:17
  want Herman Cain to debate Obama because there's a less chance,
• 3:39:24
  there's less chance he wins when it's two black guys.
• 3:39:28
  Yeah, this is literally it. Yeah it all.
• 3:39:31
  Yeah, it also that they couldn't, they couldn't play the
• 3:39:35
  well, your rice is because you won't vote for.
• 3:39:38
  For, you know, Obama, they kind of play that card, right?
• 3:39:41
  So Herman Cain is getting Herman.
• 3:39:45
  Cain is basically cleaning up whatever.
• 3:39:48
  Everyone's clock. Then someone uncouple uncovers
• 3:39:54
  the thing that you had an affair with like a secretary for like
• 3:39:59
  and it wasn't just like a one-time thing.
• 3:40:01
  It was like, they have like a 25-year, like Herman Cain was
• 3:40:05
  almost like a boil to his mistress and his wife were gland
• 3:40:09
  up, so, That came out and the Republicans were like, well, you
• 3:40:17
  need to drop out because that doesn't necessarily, you know,
• 3:40:20
  mesh without moral standards or whatever and he did and then we
• 3:40:27
  got Romney. So, yeah, I mean, I agree with
• 3:40:30
  you. Max like Trump's past, I mean,
• 3:40:33
  there are a lots of things like, personality-wise.
• 3:40:37
  I don't like about Trump. But like policy-wise, i-i've
• 3:40:42
  always believes, he is the man for the job and this is just
• 3:40:45
  what I don't get when people complain that like Trump being
• 3:40:49
  being mean, I'm like, who gives a fuck if he makes me in tweets
• 3:40:53
  or sleeps around or like none of that matters to me and, you
• 3:40:59
  know, compared to like the big stuff.
• 3:41:02
  The big thing I think about the Mean Tweets thing is, it's a
• 3:41:06
  very one-sided narrative. Oh yeah, nobody has been on the
• 3:41:13
  receiving end of more harassment than Donald Trump.
• 3:41:17
  Nobody. Well, nobody has put up with the
• 3:41:21
  levels of consist like like the reply.
• 3:41:24
  Guy is a thing that we created because people would
• 3:41:29
  ritualistically every single time.
• 3:41:32
  This man, tweeted anything, no matter how innocuous be like,
• 3:41:36
  poo, poo diaper, Daddy. Yeah, you suck.
• 3:41:40
  I think you poop yourself in, like, nobody dealt with meaner
• 3:41:44
  tweets. Stood at them.
• 3:41:47
  Then Donald fucking trunk, right?
• 3:41:50
  And so, to call his tweets mean at all, is ridiculous in the
• 3:41:53
  context of, like, look at the fucking things, they they, they,
• 3:41:58
  they literally profiled his son as being autistic for no reason.
• 3:42:05
  Baron was just there and they're like, he doesn't talk to the
• 3:42:09
  media a lot. I think he has autism is like
• 3:42:13
  know, you people are fucking vultures anybody who talks to
• 3:42:17
  anybody, who talks to Trump you guys, try and get him to say you
• 3:42:21
  crazy fucking shit. That probably didn't happen.
• 3:42:24
  No, Ben wants no part of you. It has nothing to do with
• 3:42:28
  autism, whether he has autism or not.
• 3:42:31
  And if he has autism, then you just fucking doc.
• 3:42:34
  Since fucking neurological condition and if he doesn't have
• 3:42:37
  autism, it's still none of your fucking business.
• 3:42:42
  Well, and I also like their child.
• 3:42:45
  Yeah, exactly. Like and that's the other thing
• 3:42:48
  too is Baron was like what? 10 11 at the time 12?
• 3:42:53
  At most I think at most he was 12.
• 3:42:56
  Well, even so like what are you going to do?
• 3:42:59
  Like, ask ask the 12 year olds, what his opinion is on like
• 3:43:04
  four. And policy like no.
• 3:43:07
  Yeah, he's late. And he's like, I like my school,
• 3:43:11
  you know. I'm like, yeah, if you asked my
• 3:43:16
  seven-year-old, his opinion on current political things, he'd
• 3:43:20
  probably tell you about a dragon.
• 3:43:25
  It's the kids kids. Don't follow this.
• 3:43:28
  Yeah. And and you know, and we, you
• 3:43:32
  know, we were told we couldn't talk about the Obama you know,
• 3:43:36
  daughters which hey, I I was fine with that but you know when
• 3:43:41
  it comes to Trump kids, everything is very good.
• 3:43:45
  That's basically what we were what we were told.
• 3:43:49
  So yeah. Yeah and it's funny because
• 3:43:52
  Albom has daughters are kind of hose.
• 3:43:55
  You know? Well, yeah, well, they were hos
• 3:43:58
  even then, like they're bigger hose now.
• 3:44:01
  Well, I mean, to be honest, I didn't really, I didn't really
• 3:44:05
  like now that now, they definitely are.
• 3:44:08
  I honestly, when they were in the white house, I didn't give
• 3:44:11
  two shits about them. I know, I just wanted to point
• 3:44:15
  out that there hose. No, no, yeah, no.
• 3:44:17
  Yeah, well I mean what's it now? They're fair game because
• 3:44:21
  they're putting it out there that they are.
• 3:44:24
  I've always thought, you know, there's some things that are
• 3:44:28
  fair game with presidents or kids to some degree, right?
• 3:44:32
  But like this, like Barren sits in his room doing nothing entire
• 3:44:40
  media. He has autism.
• 3:44:41
  What? What the fuck is wrong with you?
• 3:44:44
  People, that's so beyond the fucking pale.
• 3:44:48
  Or how about how about Kathy Griffin, Griffin, with cutting
• 3:44:51
  the fucking fake Trump had thing off and baron saw it on TV and
• 3:44:56
  was traumatized by it. And nobody cared about that.
• 3:45:01
  Oh, let's just hold up a picture of this kids dead.
• 3:45:04
  Dad's head. Yeah, and willing, and I what I
• 3:45:09
  love, I love their excuse. I love, I love the excuse for
• 3:45:13
  that. I don't believe it was actually
• 3:45:15
  traumatized because the kid is 12 years old, and he probably
• 3:45:19
  plays Call of Duty, which means he's seen like way worse than
• 3:45:24
  that fake. Had that little all I'll say, Is
• 3:45:29
  it was a head to looked a lot like his dad's head being held
• 3:45:33
  up in a picture? Yeah, you know, president for
• 3:45:36
  kids they get the briefing right.
• 3:45:38
  That it's possible that your parent could be killed like,
• 3:45:41
  especially if they're older than like ten, right?
• 3:45:44
  And be like, look things. Could happen secret Services
• 3:45:46
  here to try and protect you Dada.
• 3:45:49
  It's like they know like that to some degree.
• 3:45:52
  A presidential kid knows that their parent is potentially a
• 3:45:54
  Target, right? And so, when he sees the fucking
• 3:45:58
  day, Decapitated head and he's a little kid.
• 3:46:02
  Yeah, he could be traumatized by that even if he's seen worse in
• 3:46:05
  a video game because the worst in the video game wasn't like I
• 3:46:08
  had that looked scarily like this for.
• 3:46:11
  Yeah, that, yeah. I mean, that, that head did not
• 3:46:16
  look like at first Like At first, like even if burn did
• 3:46:22
  realize later on but that was fake like at first glance.
• 3:46:26
  I mean, it freaks me out a bit too.
• 3:46:30
  At first glance I knew it was a fake fucking thing but it wasn't
• 3:46:33
  my father's head, right? Like I'm also not like 10, it's
• 3:46:40
  like it's a little different. I would say, a little different,
• 3:46:45
  not that, I'm not that you can't do it.
• 3:46:46
  Like I actually think Kathy Griffin if she thought that.
• 3:46:49
  It was really, really funny whatever, right?
• 3:46:52
  I don't think it was a threat. I think it was just dumb on her
• 3:46:56
  part but and she thought she was really fucking funny.
• 3:46:59
  So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not for censorship, I'm just saying,
• 3:47:04
  show this kid, his decapitated father in a picture, and he
• 3:47:08
  might have a fucking nightmare to he's a kid.
• 3:47:11
  Yeah, he's a well and his father is probably the center of his
• 3:47:15
  fucking Universe if you, if I were to take a guess.
• 3:47:18
  Yeah, well not Said and also you know, Baron right like tribe,
• 3:47:26
  even even sadder at one point like my son.
• 3:47:30
  I'll tell you he's he's really good at the internet and stuff,
• 3:47:34
  right? Like I I think Trump said that
• 3:47:37
  one point, right? So so Barren being online like
• 3:47:43
  I'm sure he's seen all the crazy like, reply guys, shit up, like,
• 3:47:49
  But, you know, people being like, I'm gonna kill you or I'm
• 3:47:52
  gonna, you know, put like a Witch hex on you or whatever the
• 3:47:56
  fuck people were, you know, he gets it.
• 3:48:01
  Let like, let alone seeing him say it about his dad.
• 3:48:04
  I've seen people say horrible things about Baron to, and I'm
• 3:48:08
  like, he's good. What is he, a Don?
• 3:48:12
  What is the ever done for them to be mad at?
• 3:48:14
  He's a child? Well, he's I think he's grown
• 3:48:17
  now. Wow.
• 3:48:20
  Yeah, I mean, I think he, I think he's like a teenager at,
• 3:48:24
  you know, at the most. So, yeah.
• 3:48:26
  And I think he might be 18. Those what I'm saying?
• 3:48:29
  Either way though, at the time, he's a child, he's a small child
• 3:48:33
  at that. When they first came in office,
• 3:48:35
  he was a small kid. This, this is all like crazy to
• 3:48:39
  him. Imagine like imagine you're 9 or
• 3:48:42
  10 years old and you're you're preparing is the fucking
• 3:48:45
  president. Yeah, easy.
• 3:48:50
  Yeah, well then heavy easy for the Obama hos either, you know,
• 3:48:53
  I mean like in the in the bush hose for that matter.
• 3:48:59
  Yeah yeah. Oh yeah.
• 3:49:01
  The oh yeah. You got caught like partying and
• 3:49:04
  strictly on the White House. Yeah them hoes got white girl
• 3:49:10
  wasted. Yeah.
• 3:49:12
  The Obama hose actually a little classier than the bush hose.
• 3:49:16
  Just just like in Ho terms. Oh yeah.
• 3:49:20
  There are. There are stories about about
• 3:49:24
  the book about the bush girls. That I'm that I've heard well
• 3:49:29
  it's just imagine being the bush girls.
• 3:49:31
  You know? I mean it's kind of never mind.
• 3:49:35
  No, like the crazy shit. That gets a tan line.
• 3:49:40
  Yeah, I could see that traumatizing a kid.
• 3:49:42
  I could see all of this shit traumatized in the kid.
• 3:49:45
  I bet you Barons probably like pretty easygoing because of it
• 3:49:49
  though. Right.
• 3:49:51
  Yeah, probably. And I bet you the friends that
• 3:49:56
  he has it's cool or whatever. I bet you his friend circle is
• 3:49:59
  like tight as fuck and they don't know anybody else.
• 3:50:04
  Well, I mean, yeah, you wouldn't you would imagine that like,
• 3:50:09
  well, you haven't heard a lot of like Barren stories and Barren
• 3:50:13
  leaks, right? So his friends are probably
• 3:50:15
  somewhat loyal. Oh yeah.
• 3:50:18
  Well the kids, the kids probably just like a giant nerd or just
• 3:50:21
  like who knows. I mean let me know that I was a
• 3:50:25
  giant nerd. I was still doing shit that I
• 3:50:28
  wouldn't want on the papers. Well okay yeah that's that's
• 3:50:32
  true. What And what I'm trying to say
• 3:50:35
  is, Baron, is like, Baron is like a Kappa /.
• 3:50:40
  Do pretty well. Oh, no.
• 3:50:42
  Don't make that comparison because now you're saying, he
• 3:50:45
  does have autism. Let's see who went to Japan.
• 3:50:55
  Any. Oh, yeah.
• 3:51:02
  Did it. He he went.
• 3:51:06
  Yeah, he went to Japan and he got I did see one of his tweets.
• 3:51:10
  He got like fit, he got like 15 CDs of like he got soundtrack
• 3:51:20
  for racing Lagoon. Okay.
• 3:51:24
  I mean he seems happy. Yeah, no, good on it.
• 3:51:29
  Good on him. So, speaking of gaming, though,
• 3:51:37
  You know, act calls of Torment. Yeah.
• 3:51:42
  It was not here to do gaming news, but you are, and you have
• 3:51:45
  some. Okay.
• 3:51:46
  The first news is there's an early access game on Steam, it's
• 3:51:49
  called Halls of torment and it kicks fucking ass.
• 3:51:52
  It's like vampires survivors, plus Diablo, 1 combined and I
• 3:52:01
  got that the other day it's like $5 or some.
• 3:52:04
  I grabbed it on Steam deck and like Both times this week, when
• 3:52:08
  we started the show, I was over here playing fucking Halls of
• 3:52:10
  torment and I'm like yeah, start the show Sam.
• 3:52:14
  I'm just going to finish this. Oh so that's Matthew.
• 3:52:17
  That's what you're playing Halls of Torment but but the news I
• 3:52:22
  guess in gaming is Activision Blizzard did it?
• 3:52:28
  Did it did a Bud Light? It's not good, it's not good.
• 3:52:35
  So I have strong feelings on this.
• 3:52:40
  I've been a fan of Blizzard Entertainment, specifically, for
• 3:52:44
  a very, very long time. Since I was a kid, I played
• 3:52:47
  World of Warcraft. For many years.
• 3:52:49
  Not is obsessively, is a lot of people.
• 3:52:51
  Like, I am not giving up my whole life over, but I certainly
• 3:52:56
  played a good amount especially when I was younger, right?
• 3:52:59
  This year's where you have time to just play video games and
• 3:53:02
  nothing else to do. I play a lot of World of
• 3:53:05
  Warcraft. I still do last week.
• 3:53:08
  I was streaming over here on my Rumble Channel doing hardcore
• 3:53:11
  World of Warcraft, classic because I had subscribed I gave
• 3:53:15
  in blizzard my money. And it can't weirdly enough.
• 3:53:19
  The subscription came up again today and I canceled it and I
• 3:53:23
  cancelled it because blizz Activision, Blizzard is one
• 3:53:28
  company, you know, two names but it's one company over at
• 3:53:32
  Activision the other side of the company.
• 3:53:35
  They make a little game may have heard of it, called Call of Duty
• 3:53:38
  war zone, Call of Duty, generally, but specifically the
• 3:53:42
  war zone, which is very popular Battle Royale for my game.
• 3:53:47
  One of the members of FaZe Clan and I want to make sure that it
• 3:53:51
  get his name right, I believe it's Nick Merc.
• 3:53:55
  But yeah, and so yeah, follow him over on Twitter because he's
• 3:53:59
  having a rough day but what happened was all the stuff about
• 3:54:04
  grooming? And drag queen story time and
• 3:54:07
  all that on Twitter, he made a comment where he specifically
• 3:54:11
  said he had no problem with pride, although he said is I
• 3:54:15
  have no problem with pride or gay people.
• 3:54:17
  But just leave kids alone. Well, what little the pale.
• 3:54:24
  Yeah. What do I want?
• 3:54:26
  More more than half the country believes by the way.
• 3:54:32
  Hmm. The fact that just leave because
• 3:54:37
  a lot of the fat more, I would say, a lot of Democrats believe
• 3:54:40
  that to a lot of gay people even believe that.
• 3:54:43
  Yeah, the fact that is now considered controversial is
• 3:54:49
  fucking, is fucking scary to me. So how controversial is it?
• 3:54:57
  Max couldn't couldn't have been that big a deal, right?
• 3:55:00
  So in Call of Duty war zone, they have a cash shop right free
• 3:55:04
  to play game and A shop, that's normal.
• 3:55:07
  And the cash shop, there was a skin for this guy.
• 3:55:10
  It's a bundle pack where you could play his skin and like a
• 3:55:14
  custom version of his favorite weapon or some shit like that.
• 3:55:17
  Look I don't play war zone so if I get those details wrong, I'm
• 3:55:20
  not sorry. Nope.
• 3:55:21
  You're right, you're completely right so you get the skin pack
• 3:55:26
  for this guy and Activision decided that they put out a
• 3:55:31
  statement. They said we're pulling it so
• 3:55:34
  that we can celebrate Pride with our people and they really
• 3:55:37
  didn't say much else. And also it is questionable as
• 3:55:42
  to whether this man will be kicked out of Face Clan, which
• 3:55:47
  I'm not a biggie Sports guy, but I've heard of FaZe Clan.
• 3:55:49
  I think they're one of the top Esports organizations out there
• 3:55:53
  and he's been with them for quite a long time.
• 3:55:55
  He's one of the more popular members, that's why he had a
• 3:55:58
  goddamn skin in the game, right? So basically he's on the outs
• 3:56:03
  with them and their de tripling down on quote unquote,
• 3:56:08
  protecting trans kids. So there you go.
• 3:56:11
  Activision Blizzard supports grooming children.
• 3:56:15
  And that was when I canceled my wow subscription today and I'm
• 3:56:21
  so glad I didn't pick up Diablo for either.
• 3:56:23
  If you haven't, don't click, it's good.
• 3:56:26
  I played the demo or the beta or whatever the Allah for is good.
• 3:56:30
  I'm not Is not good. I'm saying if you haven't bought
• 3:56:33
  it, don't give these people your money now is activated.
• 3:56:38
  Now, I could be, I could be wrong and I could probably also
• 3:56:41
  like this up but I'm always a cripple.
• 3:56:44
  So just ask you is that Activision?
• 3:56:47
  The one that like publish to Call of Duty Black Ops Series be
• 3:56:54
  every call, every single Call of Duty game was under the
• 3:56:57
  Activision Banner until they merged with Activision Blizzard
• 3:57:01
  In 2009. I think 2008-2009.
• 3:57:05
  Well fuck, I guess but Call of Duty is an Activision only.
• 3:57:11
  It's only ever been published by Activision.
• 3:57:15
  I guess that's another franchise.
• 3:57:17
  It's getting them, but that's getting the Bud Light treatment.
• 3:57:22
  Will see. Gamers are tough.
• 3:57:24
  Gamer boycotts. I'll tell you, they never ever
• 3:57:26
  work more than even normal boycotts.
• 3:57:29
  Because Gamers, like I said, don't buy Diablo for if you
• 3:57:33
  don't want a company, you know, grooming children.
• 3:57:37
  But there's a lot of motherfuckers even listening to
• 3:57:39
  this show, they're going to buy that game because it's the hot
• 3:57:42
  new thing. Yeah, you can't do it.
• 3:57:44
  I've boycotted blizzard a couple times over the years.
• 3:57:48
  I just came back because they did the free.
• 3:57:51
  They fired. The guy for saying free.
• 3:57:53
  Well, they suspended the guy and took away his winnings for
• 3:57:56
  saying free Hong Kong. And then they fired the
• 3:57:59
  commentators who were there, who didn't say anything about it?
• 3:58:05
  I was like, fuck you, blizzard free Hong Kong.
• 3:58:09
  And so, when I canceled my subscription and it said, what's
• 3:58:12
  your comment? I said free Hong Kong and I
• 3:58:15
  stayed away for about two years until they got some new
• 3:58:17
  management in there. They had things seem to be on
• 3:58:22
  the up and up, so I gave a lizard, another chance and
• 3:58:24
  already, they fucking thrown it in the fucking grinder.
• 3:58:27
  And so when I canceled my, wow, subscription this time, I just
• 3:58:31
  said, okay groomer That's my comment.
• 3:58:36
  Well okay well the reason why I'm bummed out is because I
• 3:58:41
  played Call of Duty Cold War and in like cod Call of Duty Cold
• 3:58:50
  War out of all the Black Ops like Black Ops one is pretty
• 3:58:54
  good and Black Ops 2 is Black Ops 3 3 gets pretty fucking
• 3:59:00
  weird because it like takes place in the future also.
• 3:59:04
  What had no story campaign? Oh yeah, yeah.
• 3:59:07
  So I think you're thinking of the fourth one and it's mostly
• 3:59:11
  future stuff, but yeah, they've had some good Call of Duty
• 3:59:14
  games. And you mentioned, Cold War,
• 3:59:16
  Cold War, had a bit of a right-wing bent to it, right?
• 3:59:20
  Right. Yeah.
• 3:59:20
  Literally tells you what to do. Here's the thing, the creative
• 3:59:25
  types, the work on that kind of stuff.
• 3:59:28
  Aren't the kind of people running a social media account
• 3:59:30
  and dealing with a scandal like this, right?
• 3:59:34
  Yes. A bunch of HR cat ladies didn't
• 3:59:37
  like what FaZe Clan Nick Berg said and so he needs to be
• 3:59:42
  canceled. Now get him out of the store.
• 3:59:45
  It's pride month you're hurting but you're killing people.
• 3:59:51
  Yeah. No, no.
• 3:59:53
  It is a chair and yeah, your you hit the nail on the head like
• 3:59:56
  the campaign of Cold War. Like yeah, does have like a bit
• 4:00:00
  of a right-wing, like Espionage type thing and a Serna.
• 4:00:05
  A certain based, crippled man might be writing a political
• 4:00:09
  thriller of that same genre. So yeah, they create the
• 4:00:16
  creative side of Call of Duty has been pretty good the last
• 4:00:19
  couple of years, you know, Hit and miss.
• 4:00:22
  I mean, Vanguard was a little on the glorifying, the Soviet side
• 4:00:27
  of things but not this ain't got nothing to do with the game,
• 4:00:31
  really. I think it has to do more with
• 4:00:33
  like cat ladies in the office, but either way, Leave the kids
• 4:00:39
  alone. There's all he was saying, and I
• 4:00:41
  agree with that and so I am no longer going to be this hurts,
• 4:00:45
  this hurts, but I'm no longer going to be buying Activision
• 4:00:49
  Blizzard, anything until this is rectified somehow and I don't
• 4:00:54
  even know how they could. Yeah.
• 4:00:57
  So well, that sucks. But there's so, like I say, I'm
• 4:01:01
  always, you notice. I'm always pointing out indie
• 4:01:03
  games on the show like the first whenever you say something, I'm
• 4:01:06
  like first thing. Let me talk about Dave, the
• 4:01:09
  diver Get into Indie Games guys. Like, well, they're so good.
• 4:01:14
  It's a golden age. And also you don't have to worry
• 4:01:18
  about a lot of this work shit because a lot of Indie Games.
• 4:01:21
  Any games are either expressly political and you will know it
• 4:01:24
  before you buy it or they're not political at all.
• 4:01:28
  Where one it? Well, one of the games that you
• 4:01:29
  have that, you actually recommend it.
• 4:01:31
  I don't know if how much we can talk at this, but one of the
• 4:01:35
  games you recommended was six days of Fallujah.
• 4:01:41
  Right, and they've been they released a demo.
• 4:01:44
  Just To content creators about six days in Fallujah.
• 4:01:49
  So I've seen I've watched quite a bit of the gameplay footage
• 4:01:52
  devil dog. Gamer was actually at the Battle
• 4:01:55
  of Fallujah and is a marine and he does it.
• 4:01:58
  He has a great eye, followed his YouTube channel for years and
• 4:02:01
  yeah, he's probably one of the best lets players out there.
• 4:02:06
  But a lot of people don't know about, but he added a lot to it
• 4:02:10
  because he's like, yeah, this is what it's like, oh no, this
• 4:02:14
  isn't quite right. But like, He the game itself to
• 4:02:20
  recreate the Battle of Fallujah in if for those that don't know
• 4:02:24
  the Battle of Fallujah Iraq, the Second Battle of Fallujah
• 4:02:27
  specifically was basically our grunts cleared every house in
• 4:02:35
  Fallujah. Like a SWAT team and we lost a
• 4:02:40
  lot of good men in Fallujah. And it was one of, it's probably
• 4:02:45
  the most prolific, modern battle America has been in inter, in
• 4:02:50
  terms of a War battle. And those men went, they walked
• 4:02:55
  through hell and they did the job and as much as it sucks that
• 4:03:00
  we lost a lot of fine. Men, including a friend of mine.
• 4:03:02
  That's literally the guy that stood next to me at graduation.
• 4:03:05
  however, The the absolute like above and beyond the Call of
• 4:03:12
  Duty that those men all went through doing something that had
• 4:03:17
  never been done. Clearing is city house by house
• 4:03:21
  had never been done and it was an impossible task that they
• 4:03:25
  were given and they did it. So this game tries to recreate
• 4:03:29
  that by house layouts change. Every time.
• 4:03:33
  Every time you load up the map, the maps different.
• 4:03:36
  The houses are different. The street.
• 4:03:38
  Are different where enemies are placed or different, where
• 4:03:40
  civilians are placed is different.
• 4:03:43
  And if you shoot civilians and he fucks you over, you're not
• 4:03:46
  supposed to. But you'll run into a house in
• 4:03:49
  there will be a family full of civilians because that's what
• 4:03:51
  actually happened in Fallujah and the Gunplay is really
• 4:03:55
  realistic. The sound design is amazing from
• 4:03:58
  from everything. I've seen.
• 4:04:00
  It sounds, I've never been in a battle, so I can't say it sounds
• 4:04:04
  like a battle. What I can say, is, it sounds an
• 4:04:07
  awful lot like Being on a big gun range, you know I mean shit
• 4:04:11
  Poppin Off in different directions.
• 4:04:13
  It sounds like what you would imagine about a would be like
• 4:04:16
  though right? And devil devil dog says it
• 4:04:19
  sounds a lot. Like what?
• 4:04:20
  A battle sounds like. So I'll take his word for that.
• 4:04:22
  Yeah. But is it a first person
• 4:04:26
  shooter? Okay it's first-person shooter
• 4:04:31
  it's coming out very very soon. This was like the first big test
• 4:04:35
  they only gave out one level but the crazy.
• 4:04:38
  Part, is that one level? You can play it and it's never
• 4:04:42
  going to be the same. You know, you go through it but
• 4:04:46
  every house change. Yeah, the where the enemies are
• 4:04:49
  but not just like some games will switch up where the enemy
• 4:04:51
  placements are on a map, right? But this switches up the map
• 4:04:54
  itself to. So now this streets, now over
• 4:04:57
  here, and this, this house now has a Stairway upstairs where it
• 4:05:00
  didn't before and this house is a double-decker, we're used to
• 4:05:04
  be a single-decker right, like everything changes.
• 4:05:08
  And another thing that's really cool is it, they really played
• 4:05:12
  with the light which is a lot of soldiers.
• 4:05:15
  We'll talk about the hardest part of kicking in those doors
• 4:05:19
  is because Iraq, he's didn't have a lot of power at the time.
• 4:05:22
  There's not a lot of lights on in anybody's home, if any and
• 4:05:26
  so, adjusting from bright bright desert to pitch, dark house is
• 4:05:31
  where you get shot most of the time because your eyes need a
• 4:05:34
  second and their eyes are already adjusted, and they can
• 4:05:37
  see you coming in long before. You can see that.
• 4:05:41
  And it does seem to, I haven't played it like I said, but it
• 4:05:44
  does seem to capture that kind of tension.
• 4:05:47
  It seems to be probably one of the most historically accurate,
• 4:05:51
  first person shooters I've ever seen.
• 4:05:53
  They have veterans on the team that fought in Iraq.
• 4:05:57
  They have veterans on the creative staff and they're using
• 4:06:00
  veterans stories to tell the campaign of the game.
• 4:06:03
  So, wow, I am big supporter of the project.
• 4:06:07
  I think which listed on Steam, you know, you got none.
• 4:06:11
  Toulouse. It's free.
• 4:06:13
  It looks real good. Check out devil, dog gamer.
• 4:06:16
  Playing six days in Fallujah. I can't wait.
• 4:06:19
  I'll probably stream that one because it looks right up my
• 4:06:22
  alley. And and it's this is an
• 4:06:26
  independent game company. Yes they are.
• 4:06:32
  Independent, there was originally, I believe it was
• 4:06:35
  Konami originally pitched a game called six days in Fallujah in
• 4:06:40
  2005 or six. And then it just got shelved for
• 4:06:44
  like 10 years. And this new company, picked it
• 4:06:48
  up and I want to get their name, right?
• 4:06:50
  So forgive me, I'm looking at their steam thing right now.
• 4:06:53
  Not a problem. I was just asking because high
• 4:06:57
  high wire games. What have they made before?
• 4:07:01
  This, this is a this is their first project actually.
• 4:07:05
  So but it is a lot of Industry veterans from other companies.
• 4:07:10
  One I'm asking because this could be an opportunity need to
• 4:07:14
  maybe get some you know, people in the gaming industry on.
• 4:07:19
  Show me? Yeah, I talked, I talked to a
• 4:07:23
  lot of Indie devs. It happens when you're like
• 4:07:25
  shouting out, Indie Dev stuff all the time.
• 4:07:27
  Like, I try to do and I think I probably could fucking ask them
• 4:07:33
  for some kind of statement because the controversies in
• 4:07:35
  saying, so the left hates this game because they're saying that
• 4:07:40
  it's just glorifying war crimes, which it's not, They don't know
• 4:07:45
  what war crimes mean by and large, but that's no, just
• 4:07:50
  killing somebody in a war is not a war crime.
• 4:07:52
  Sorry leftist. It's not a war crime.
• 4:07:55
  Is kind of going outside of the fucking Rules of Engagement,
• 4:08:00
  which absolutely. There were some US soldiers that
• 4:08:02
  have done that throughout history, but to say that
• 4:08:07
  everybody that fought in Fallujah committed war crimes,
• 4:08:11
  makes you insane to say that. So, That's that's an insane
• 4:08:16
  thing to say, right? So I'll say this of, you know,
• 4:08:22
  not including like older War veterans, right?
• 4:08:25
  So not including Vietnam Vets, not including like World War,
• 4:08:28
  Two vets, anything like that just of Our Generation
• 4:08:33
  Millennials and even a little younger the guys that fought in
• 4:08:37
  Fallujah are probably some of the best.
• 4:08:40
  Hey, yeah. Think about what they went up.
• 4:08:43
  Ignore that the war was bullshit.
• 4:08:45
  I'm anti war is fun, especially Iraq.
• 4:08:48
  Right, as super anti-iraq, right?
• 4:08:50
  From the beginning. But that doesn't take away.
• 4:08:51
  The fact that what these gentlemen did was exceptional,
• 4:08:56
  like insane. Like, think about this, do you
• 4:09:01
  have the balls to kick in a door where there might be people
• 4:09:04
  waiting to shoot you? No.
• 4:09:08
  How about to do that? A thousand times in a week?
• 4:09:14
  Definitely not definitely not yeah and they did and they had
• 4:09:18
  to clear every fucking room of every house on every block in
• 4:09:23
  that whole fucking City that whole godforsaken city.
• 4:09:26
  And you want to talk about the used white phosphorus yet.
• 4:09:29
  That doesn't mean that Joe the private Joe Schmo committed a
• 4:09:33
  war crime. You anyway well what is the
• 4:09:37
  left? Is trying to bury this game.
• 4:09:40
  I highly recommend as well as well.
• 4:09:44
  Well of course of course they're trying to Bear it.
• 4:09:47
  I mean I mean, this is the other thing like for for as much as we
• 4:09:54
  hate for, as much as people might say, George Bush and be
• 4:09:59
  against the war. There's no reason to hate this
• 4:10:01
  soldiers who went to who went over there, because a lot of the
• 4:10:05
  soldiers, they thought they were fighting for, you know, they
• 4:10:11
  thought the war was justified. I know a lot of them might not
• 4:10:17
  think that now either, right? Not will not now.
• 4:10:20
  Dwight back. The thing is is one thing that's
• 4:10:23
  Universal to most, if I can't say all cuz there's exceptions
• 4:10:29
  but most people who served is like, they're just doing their
• 4:10:33
  job at that point. Once you're there, that's your
• 4:10:36
  job. You know what I mean?
• 4:10:38
  And they do it. Like, a lot of guys didn't
• 4:10:41
  necessarily agree with what the higher-ups were doing and the
• 4:10:44
  politics of the day. But when they say, okay, this,
• 4:10:47
  this house has five bad guys in it.
• 4:10:48
  We need you to go get there, they're going.
• 4:10:50
  To go do it and that I don't know you know people will point
• 4:10:55
  out oh well we're just sheep or whatever like there's a lot of
• 4:10:58
  people to hate military and Veterans and will make every
• 4:11:01
  excuse to say they're horrible people.
• 4:11:04
  But to call all of them were criminals, it was just I've
• 4:11:10
  never in that that was from Kotaku specifically.
• 4:11:13
  So it's understandable that Kotaku would say that but like
• 4:11:17
  all the major gaming Publications.
• 4:11:18
  They're having a blackout. Out on media coverage of this.
• 4:11:22
  Which doesn't matter because like I said, they gave the demo
• 4:11:26
  to all these like streamers and YouTubers.
• 4:11:28
  And you know what, every single one they gave it to was a
• 4:11:31
  fucking veteran. Fuck.
• 4:11:33
  You Kotaku you-know-who gets Early Access, not you Some
• 4:11:39
  veterans that fucking can tell you.
• 4:11:41
  Hey, this is a really realistic. You know what, devil, dog gamer
• 4:11:44
  said. It's a, he said it came a little
• 4:11:46
  bit of PTSD. It was so real.
• 4:11:49
  Damn, and he played work, like he plays shooter games.
• 4:11:54
  Basically for a living, he plays all very Shooters.
• 4:11:58
  Oh yeah. Well, well, that's the funny
• 4:12:00
  thing is, like, so I know guys who served over and Iraq and
• 4:12:07
  Afghanistan. And I'm like, I once asked my
• 4:12:11
  mom like, when it like, and they have PTSD, right?
• 4:12:16
  That's Wing, they struggle through and And I asked him, I'm
• 4:12:20
  like not being polite, but when applying like Call of Duty or
• 4:12:23
  something, when it that, like trigger your, you know, PTSD
• 4:12:30
  now, bro, it's it that if anything, that's like the way I,
• 4:12:34
  that's why I refer fucking relax after a day at work, like I
• 4:12:38
  cried up here and yeah, I was gonna say it's like the guy.
• 4:12:43
  It's like a race NASCAR driver, right?
• 4:12:46
  And then he plays According to recent right?
• 4:12:50
  Yeah. Yeah, you know it's the same
• 4:12:54
  thing. A lot of these guys look they
• 4:12:55
  like guns, you know, you get into the military.
• 4:12:58
  You're going to like guns guns. Yeah.
• 4:13:02
  If you like guns, there's some pretty dope Shooters with very
• 4:13:06
  realistic guns these days. And no shortage of, I mean,
• 4:13:09
  there's Squad. There's Arma.
• 4:13:10
  Now there's going to be six days in Fallujah Insurgency,
• 4:13:14
  Insurgency stance alarm CS go to some degree.
• 4:13:19
  I'm not the biggest CSI. Love valve.
• 4:13:21
  Yeah, I'm such a valve Fanboy. But csgo is just not my jam.
• 4:13:26
  I hate to say it. But I like six days in Fallujah
• 4:13:31
  might be, you know, and I'm looking forward to that it's
• 4:13:34
  coop. And it's it's not going to be
• 4:13:38
  like a story, you know campaign game as I understand it it's
• 4:13:42
  going to be set up a Mist cute because the map changes each
• 4:13:45
  time. It's going to be, this was the
• 4:13:47
  mission, go do this Mission and then move to the next mission
• 4:13:51
  in. The missions are all going to be
• 4:13:52
  based like the briefings are going to be based on stories of
• 4:13:56
  veterans who actually fought in Fallujah.
• 4:13:59
  So realistic. Hopefully, it looks very
• 4:14:02
  realistic, looks great. I could talk.
• 4:14:04
  See I'm so positive. About indie games and talk about
• 4:14:08
  them all day. I talked about this longer than
• 4:14:11
  I talked about blizzard. Being retired, are Activision
• 4:14:13
  being retarded. So yeah, yeah.
• 4:14:16
  Well you don't buy the album for go by fucking six days of
• 4:14:20
  Fallujah, you'll thank me later. Well and you know, and this is
• 4:14:24
  the thing with the free-for-all is, you know, we pitched out
• 4:14:28
  DeSantis and you know how bad things are undermined and but
• 4:14:33
  hey we're also talking to, you know, games.
• 4:14:36
  Speaking of things to be positive about though, Max.
• 4:14:41
  I am quite proud of myself because I might not be as much
• 4:14:46
  control as you are shmuly. but, I got under the skin of one
• 4:14:57
  Stephen King. Or at least his always does
• 4:15:02
  fanatical cult readership. Of which of which I find myself
• 4:15:13
  a member though. He's gone crazy in the last few
• 4:15:17
  years, I've read almost every book he's ever written including
• 4:15:20
  some of the ones since he's going crazy and guess what?
• 4:15:23
  Here's an unpopular Stephen King opinion, even the stuff he puts
• 4:15:28
  out now, even some of the stuff that has like literal anti-trump
• 4:15:31
  stuff in it. It's still good.
• 4:15:34
  He's still good writer, he's crazy.
• 4:15:37
  He's a political asshole, but Read Billy Summers, which just
• 4:15:44
  came out recently, and has a whole bunch of anti-trump shit
• 4:15:47
  in it. Of course, it's like this
• 4:15:49
  characters pro-trump, and he's a bad person or whatever.
• 4:15:52
  It's not really clever, okay? But despite that despite how
• 4:15:57
  annoying I find that despite how crazy he is, it's a good book.
• 4:16:01
  So as soon as I like he doesn't like have Pennywise dressed up
• 4:16:05
  in like a magnet hat or something weird.
• 4:16:08
  Like no, he's That's the thing is like he's not been on drugs
• 4:16:12
  in a very long time and his modern books are much more
• 4:16:17
  grounded in that respect. There's no clowns anymore.
• 4:16:24
  Mr. Mercedes as well as Billy Summers, both contain nothing
• 4:16:30
  Supernatural at all. Well Billy Summers has like an
• 4:16:36
  Easter egg call back to The Shining because they're at the
• 4:16:40
  spot where the hotel was and so there's like spooky paintings or
• 4:16:43
  whatever. But it's it's just an Easter
• 4:16:46
  egg. Like a lot of Stephen King's
• 4:16:48
  work that he writes now has no Supernatural in it at all.
• 4:16:52
  Yes, and that's been true since like the 90s.
• 4:16:55
  Well, Well so, you know, the people who I, he's still a
• 4:17:02
  raving leftist so go ahead. Yeah, I so much my view on
• 4:17:09
  Stephen King is I try to watch? I tried to read misery And I can
• 4:17:18
  get it. What?
• 4:17:19
  What an awful one to start with? So so so, oh, so that's my
• 4:17:26
  problem. Yeah, I started with misery and
• 4:17:28
  I'm like me. God misery is a great film based
• 4:17:32
  on a mediocre at best novel. Yes, he'll know the film, kills
• 4:17:39
  it. The novel she's a little more
• 4:17:42
  evil in the novel but other than that.
• 4:17:45
  Okay, so that's interesting because my opinion of Stephen
• 4:17:51
  King is wow, this guy is fucking overrated.
• 4:17:58
  Yeah, see I don't think so. I think he's one of the best
• 4:18:00
  character writers that there is but You know, he's he was also
• 4:18:08
  like in his prime, he was on ungodly amounts of drugs, all
• 4:18:11
  that shit's weird. And now that he's off drugs, a
• 4:18:14
  lot of like his druggy era fans don't like his new stuff because
• 4:18:19
  it's it's still character-driven which is what I like about him.
• 4:18:22
  He the man writes a good character and the characters
• 4:18:26
  take on life of their own. And the way he said that, he
• 4:18:29
  writes stories and is not necessarily like, okay, this is
• 4:18:35
  the beginning. This is Middle of this is the
• 4:18:36
  end, it's more. Like, how would this character
• 4:18:39
  react to this happening? And then from there, how would
• 4:18:42
  they react to it that happening? So it's very character-driven
• 4:18:45
  stories sometimes that works. Sometimes not so much,
• 4:18:49
  especially like misery where there's only really two
• 4:18:52
  characters. Then you can get real in depth
• 4:18:56
  on those two characters. But there's only two, usually,
• 4:19:00
  it's the interplay of several characters with clear, but
• 4:19:04
  differing motivations that mate. Right.
• 4:19:06
  The stand is one of his best for that reason.
• 4:19:09
  Because there's all these like, interesting people separated
• 4:19:13
  from each other many times having no idea what the others
• 4:19:16
  are doing, or even if they exist, and then they clash in
• 4:19:21
  interesting ways. Oh, got it.
• 4:19:23
  That's what he's good. Okay, well, fuck.
• 4:19:26
  I might have to get, I might, I might have to go, another
• 4:19:30
  chance. See you, do you see what you did
• 4:19:32
  Max? Do you see what you did?
• 4:19:37
  I wouldn't even say solo because late, well, unless you go to
• 4:19:39
  library, don't give him any money.
• 4:19:42
  I don't, I haven't in a long time.
• 4:19:44
  People buy me his new book. I can't really like, I got that
• 4:19:47
  Billy Summers. I got that as like a birthday
• 4:19:50
  present or something, but usually, I don't like to give
• 4:19:53
  him money because he's crazy. Yeah, well, so, so yeah.
• 4:19:58
  He is crazy and this is we so So okay, so fast.
• 4:20:04
  So back when I joined Twitter, I followed Stephen King and it,
• 4:20:12
  you know, it was because he's like, For those who aren't
• 4:20:16
  familiar, somehow, when you set up a brand new Twitter handle
• 4:20:22
  twitter-like gives you like a bunch of suggestions of people
• 4:20:27
  to follow and if you like, but and it goes based off your
• 4:20:32
  interest and if you like books, Stephen King is almost always
• 4:20:37
  wanted the authors that they recommend that you follow by
• 4:20:41
  default and and rightly. So, like No matter what you
• 4:20:46
  think Adam here. Yes, he's the best selling
• 4:20:48
  author of all time, except the authors of the Bible.
• 4:20:52
  So I it makes sense why he would be the one but I do think that
• 4:20:56
  that's unfortunate because then they like people who are big
• 4:20:59
  fans of them. And the first time I
• 4:21:02
  encountered, his crazy was on Twitter.
• 4:21:05
  I was like, I didn't know, Stephen King was out of his
• 4:21:07
  fucking mind. Interesting?
• 4:21:10
  Yeah, right. So, right, exactly.
• 4:21:13
  So that's what I'm saying. So, I didn't fall in him
• 4:21:16
  basically, since I was on Twitter and I just thought you
• 4:21:19
  know that he's gotten like so, okay?
• 4:21:22
  So the Genesis of this of this whole thing is, right last last
• 4:21:31
  Saturday, Stephen, King quote, treated, Dan bonjean.
• 4:21:38
  Oh who said, you know, and Dan bungee know what went on.
• 4:21:44
  This whole thing is very Pro Maga and Dan, bungee know
• 4:21:49
  basically said, Joe, Biden is the worst president in history
• 4:21:52
  or something like that. Stephen King had the audacity to
• 4:21:56
  quote with him and say you're broken record, get a job.
• 4:22:04
  Right? And it was the, it was, the get
• 4:22:06
  a job comment, that really kind of work me.
• 4:22:10
  And so I didn't quote read it but I just simply replied you've
• 4:22:16
  you first And that was my reply to that sent the that's in the
• 4:22:23
  Legion of Stephen King fans. The deranged ones to be like, oh
• 4:22:28
  my God, this got, you know, this sandwich was guy's an idiot.
• 4:22:33
  He's telling me the best-selling, you know, author
• 4:22:37
  to basically get a job. This guy is a moron.
• 4:22:41
  Yeah. Well he's telling a fucking
• 4:22:44
  social media Mogul CEO to get a job, so Who's the idiot?
• 4:22:49
  Well, you were literally throwing it right back in his
• 4:22:52
  face, you're telling me. Yes, Tech CEO to get a job.
• 4:22:56
  You get a fucking job. Yeah.
• 4:22:59
  Yeah. And that was that was my, that
• 4:23:01
  was my whole point. I was I was basically throwing
• 4:23:05
  his words right back. Right back Adam.
• 4:23:10
  Like if like if you don't considered an Bond Gino like who
• 4:23:15
  does commentary and does all this different stuff like that
• 4:23:20
  isn't whether you like her or whether you like him or not,
• 4:23:23
  like he does have a job. Yeah, and this happened is job,
• 4:23:28
  seems even more stressful since since he left Fox.
• 4:23:33
  It doesn't seem. It doesn't seem like he's slow
• 4:23:35
  down if anything. Yes, he so so you does have he
• 4:23:42
  does have an actual job, right? But Stephen King doesn't doesn't
• 4:23:47
  think so. So he's like, get a job.
• 4:23:49
  I nearly threw it back at him and yet people people lost well,
• 4:23:55
  youyou alt artistically. Play with characters in your
• 4:23:58
  head all day. Is that a job?
• 4:24:00
  Stephen King. Is it just because you get paid
• 4:24:04
  for it? Does it make it a job?
• 4:24:06
  Yeah, that that was in that that was a little while.
• 4:24:09
  Music about was, what? I I'll I was like trying to
• 4:24:12
  explain to a couple of these people and by the way also he's
• 4:24:17
  got money to wear if he never published another nut, another
• 4:24:20
  novel. Again, I mean, he's not going to
• 4:24:21
  be hurting. Yeah, no, that's that's why
• 4:24:26
  that's why I find his comma. That's why I find his comments
• 4:24:31
  are like, Elon Musk being to version having too much money to
• 4:24:35
  be like, quite bizarre. It's like, dude, you're
• 4:24:37
  literally in the same economic rack azio on.
• 4:24:42
  He can't, he can't spend the money faster faster than it
• 4:24:46
  comes in for old books and shit in royalties on films and shit.
• 4:24:52
  Yeah, so yeah. So again the get a job comment
• 4:24:57
  like What was just really, you know, weird coming from him and
• 4:25:05
  the fact I the fact that I replied you first and that that
• 4:25:11
  out of all the tweets I tweeted on Twitter that got 12,000.
• 4:25:18
  Well, use it seems like you took a page out of the shmuly
• 4:25:21
  Playbook of the simple retorts, like know you or you first and
• 4:25:27
  it's extremely more effective than you.
• 4:25:29
  I think it would be like, you know, no money.
• 4:25:32
  It sounds funny that you're going to reply with no you or
• 4:25:35
  you first or whatever. And it's like nobody would do
• 4:25:37
  but they get so fucking mad that that that's what that's what's
• 4:25:42
  about to surprise me. It is that like, is that I
• 4:25:48
  tweeted. So I treated then I treated the
• 4:25:51
  you first thing like what do I do before?
• 4:25:53
  I went to. What do I do before?
• 4:25:55
  I went to bed, like I tweeted you first.
• 4:25:59
  I put my phone. And on and on like airplane mode
• 4:26:03
  wasn't too bad. Woke up.
• 4:26:06
  Got my phone. Next thing I know 60.
• 4:26:10
  Yeah, you know, notifications from Twitter all replies on that
• 4:26:15
  one tweet. It's gotten a thousand views
• 4:26:19
  overnight and Counting. I'm like, I'm like, what the
• 4:26:23
  fuck? I put.
• 4:26:24
  I put zero effort into this tweet.
• 4:26:27
  That's what always happens to me.
• 4:26:29
  The most up voted shit I've ever had, was like a dick joke about
• 4:26:34
  Captain about a count angular, right?
• 4:26:36
  I made a dick joke about count. Thank you Le and got like 10,000
• 4:26:40
  likes. What the fuck?
• 4:26:43
  I put zero, but not just making people angry.
• 4:26:50
  It is past one in the morning and my wife is asking when I'm
• 4:26:53
  going to wrap this up. Oh yeah.
• 4:26:57
  That's the that's the unlike Stephen King.
• 4:27:00
  She will kill you, she will. Yeah, so yeah and I sleep and
• 4:27:05
  it's yeah, it's 1 a.m. here too. So, Yeah, we've been going for a
• 4:27:11
  while so I think that just about wraps it up, but I feel like I
• 4:27:17
  made up for ducking out early the other day.
• 4:27:19
  We covered some fun shit. Yeah, we definitely did.
• 4:27:26
  So, you know, thanks for coasting as always, and thanks
• 4:27:30
  to you folks for tuning in and silly Kelly.
• 4:27:35
  Did did say that use the promo code from Shade race.
• 4:27:40
  So good on you. I hope you got something to you
• 4:27:42
  liked and awesome for. I have one else, you know, until
• 4:27:50
  next time, God bless and we'll talk at you head down the road.
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