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Before the Cover-Up: Inside Epstein’s Earliest Florida Victim Account (Part 4) (5/13/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick up where
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  we left off with the Michelle Pegan interview that kicked
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  the Jeffrey Epstein investigation off the first time around down
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  in Florida. Question, well, after you left, where did you go?
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  Answer Marshalls or to TJ Max. One of those two,
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  TJ Max or Marshall's. And she bought a black purse.
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  Question Okay, did you see Haley after that again? Answer?
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  I don't think so, because that's when I got grounded,
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  and then that's when I got in trouble with the fight.
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  So after that, I'm pretty sure I didn't most likely
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  question did you ever speak to her again? Answer? No,
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  because I got my cell phone taken away. Question okay,
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  so you haven't seen Hailey since the day you went
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  to Jeff's house? Answer correct? Question are you sure? Answer? Yeah,
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  I'm one hundred percent sure. Question how do you know
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  that she now? Tell me what happened with your dad? Answer? Okay,
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  because my dad I didn't know about until my sister
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  told me when she came here. But my sister said
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  on Thursday was coming here and wait Wednesday night, my
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  dad said that he heard the dog barking, and my
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  dog is inside, so he's barking and he's outside, like
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  barking towards outside. And then my dad is like, shut
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  up because he forgets the dog's name, and the dog
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  wouldn't be quiet, so he's like, I'm taking the dog outside.
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  And then my dad took the dog outside and the
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  dog was way in towards my dad's truck, like my
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  dad thought he was attacking animals. But my dad a
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  personal boy. I don't know for a fact, but I
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  know in my heart at Zach, because Zach got really
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  mad over the whole situation. Question. Did you tell Zack
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  what happened? Answer? Yeah, And that's when he punched the
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  wall and he was like, my face was right there,
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  and he punched the wall like my face was right there,
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  and he punched the wall right next to my face.
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  And he started getting all upset and crying and calling Haley,
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  how could you do this? Blah blah blah, and then
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  Hayley is like, Okay, I won't do it again, and
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  like she just kind of like hung up, and he
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  was like I hate her and I hate her and
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  I hate you too, and I was like okay, and
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  we broke up. And then I think in audible on
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  the computer, and I think he told Sheina what happened,
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  and she turned it into extraordinary like a story. So
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  at school, so I would look like, you know, like
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  I'm a bad person, like I'm a slut, I'm a
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  whoreror or something, and she's going around school saying all
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  this stuff. And then so my parents came because that's
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  when I got mad at her and told her to
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  stop talking, but she wouldn't stop talking about it. So
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  I just got into a fight with her, like a
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  fistfight at school, and I got suspended and she did too,
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  but she only got suspended for one day because I
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  started the fight. So I got in trouble more and
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  my dad got really mad and he grounded me for
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  it because he found the three hundred in my wallet.
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  And then my dad was like, you're grounded, You're grounded forever,
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  and he's all freaking out, how could you do this?
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  Blah blah blah. The school said you did, and I
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  didn't tell the school how I told them. I got
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  it from my job because I worked at Chick fil A,
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  but I quit, so I said inaudible, but nobody believed me.
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  So I was just like, believe what you want because
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  I didn't want to tell the principle or my parents. Question.
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  And I think the best thing that you're going doing
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  is that you're being honest. Okay. Answer, uh huh. Question.
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  You already know that they have a pretty good idea
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  what happened? Okay. Answer, I didn't even know there was
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  an investigation question. Well, answer, I just knew. Question, Well,
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  this is why what's happening is what I was made
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  aware of this situation? Answer from my school question. I'm
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  not going to say, Okay, I was made aware of
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  the situation. And they look at it like you were
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  taken advantage of. Not that you did anything wrong, Okay,
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  even though you went willingly. Even though you went there willingly,
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  you were still taking advantage of, okay, because you were
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  put in a position that you felt you had no
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  choice once you were there. Before you went there, telling
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  me about how Jeff told you to take off your clothes,
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  you took your pointer and you said that he was
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  really stern, and you banged your leg. You put the
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  pointer on your leg when you said that, How did
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  you feel when he told you to take your clothes off. Answer,
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  I don't know. I didn't know what else to do
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  because I was the only person up there, and he's
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  like forty five years old and he has like big muscles,
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  because I don't know, but I'm pretty sure forty five
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  years old and big muscles a bodybuilder. Answer okay? Or
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  question okay? Answer So I just felt intimidated because he's
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  a guy, first of all, and I'm a girl, and
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  I know that Haley was all the way downstairs with
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  the lady, And what was Haley going to do to
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  help me all the way upstairs? So I just did it?
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  Question Okay. Now there's one way I'm a little confused
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  is because you said that, and I'm using your words. Okay,
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  that he ACKed off twice. You said before that he
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  ACKed off twice? When did he do that? Answer in
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  between giving him a massage, Like when I was giving
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  him a massage, he got he was like excuse me
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  for a minute, and he just left the room. Question okay,
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  that's once. One was the other time? Answer like during
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  the thing, like when I was massaging his boobs. Answer
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  or question when you okay, when you were massaging his boobs?
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  Was his back flat on the table. How was he positioned? Answer? Well,
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  he was at first, and then when he started to
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  whack off, he got like his back went off the table,
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  like kind of leaning. Question Okay, where were you standing? Answer?
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  I was standing up. I was not on him. I
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  was standing up in audible, and I was like he
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  was towards Okay, he was on the table. I'm right here,
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  and he's leaning that way. Question okay, answer like an
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  audible because I guess I don't know. But and he
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  was like my face it got hard to see what
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  was going on because of how low I was, and
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  he just kind of moved his head the other way,
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  and he was like he wants she gets caught off
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  by pegan. Okay, but just now, when you're saying that
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  you moved your hand, did you see him whacking off? Answer? Yes,
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  I saw him whacking off. Question Okay, that's what I
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  need to know, because you said he whacked off twice. Answer,
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  uh huh. Question, So he whacked off in front of you?
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  Answer uh huh? Question And you saw his hand doing
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  or you saw his eyes? What was going on? Answer? Okay?
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  I saw his face, facial expressions and noises. Okay, what
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  else did you see? Answer? I just saw him. Question
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  you keep moving your hand. So in other words, he
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  took his hand and what was he doing with his hand? Answer?
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  I don't know how to explain it. He was just
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  whacking off. Question okay, describe, don't answer okay. Sorry. He
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  put his hand on his penis and he put it
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  up and down, and he was like making facial noises,
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  I mean facial expressions and making noises. Question, so you
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  saw him doing that? He did that in front of you?
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  Answer yes. Question Do you know what it means when
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  someone ejaculates? Answer? It means their horny. Question. No, what
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  it means is once they're while they're whacking off and
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  I'm using your words. Okay. Another word for that is masturbating. Okay.
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  Answer yes. Question do you know what it means to
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  masturbate a boy? Does it? Answer? I don't know why
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  they do it, or I know why they do it,
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  but I don't know what it does. Question Okay, answer
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  to them. Question In other words, fluid comes out of
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  their answer. Oh, okay. Question Okay, I'm just being very
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  I'm gonna tell you because I think answer I know
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  that part. Question Okay, So fluid comes out, and that's
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  ejaculating and it's called semen. So while he was whacking off,
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  did you see any fluid come out? Answer it was yes,
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  because he had to take the towel and wipe his
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  thing before he got off the table. And again I
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  got three hundred dollars. Question okay, answer he took the
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  towel and lie and then okay, like he took the
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  towel to wipe himself and then he was getting off
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  and then his way instead of this way and this
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  way like that question okay, since you've seen his penis,
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  was there anything distinctive about it? Like did he have
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  a mole on it? Answer? No, it was very small.
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  Question very small, that's fine. Did you notice you said
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  he was very hairy on his chest? Did he have tattoos? Answer?
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  Uh uh, not that I saw. Question did he have
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  any scars? Answer no, but he had freckles somewhere because
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  he was huge. Question you're a pointing out the chest area.
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  Answer he has some freckles. Question like a mole or
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  a freckle? Answer a freckle. Question Can you tell me
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  about what he looks like? Answer? He had like not
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  white hair, but it was like not white, but you know,
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  it was kind of like like me, it was like,
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  I don't know. Answer he was going gray? Question? Yeah,
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  he was going gray. Question what color did he have before? Blonde? Brown? Answer? No?
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  Question you are describing Jeff to me with a freckle
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  and he was going gray? And what else? Answer? Like, like,
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  his skin color is like when I saw him, when
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  you have a sunburn, but it's like when you have
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  a couple of days and it's turning into a tan.
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  It was like a reddish tan color. And he had
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  like a long face, and that's about all I can remember.
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  And he had a white T shirt when he first
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  came in. Question Okay, answer I don't really remember. Question
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  did he have any jewelry on his body that you noticed? Answer?
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  I didn't remember. Question okay, do you remember the color
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  of his eyes? Answer nope. Question did he have any
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  facial hair like a mustache or a gotee or anything?
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  Answer no, But his eyebrows were really thick and they
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  were a bushy like everywhere. Question did he ever ask
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  you to do anything other than massageum? Answer no? Question
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  are you sure? Answer yes? Question did he try to
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  did he try any time to grab your hand? And
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  try to put it so. Answer no, no, no, no,
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  I know what you're getting at. I did not whack
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  him off. Question Okay, you said that you straddled him.
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  Answer uh huh. Question what do you mean by that? Answer?
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  When he was on his stomach and I was giving
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  him a massage like I was, you know where like oh,
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  I'm like the butt, and then like I was sitting
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  on his butt but a little above his butt, but
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  I was it was butt naked and he was butt naked.
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  Question okay, answer, my butt was my butt cheeks were
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  on top of his butt and the real little of
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  his back. Question now, when you say that you were
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  butt naked? Answer, I met with underwear and bra. Question Okay,
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  did you ask to get on top of him or
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  did he ask you to get on top of him? Answer?
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  Uh huh question or did you do that on your own? Answer? No,
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  he's like because at first I was giving him a massage,
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  like you know, standing up, and he's like, it would
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  feel more comfortable if you got on my back, could
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  you please do that? And then I did that like
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  I wasn't at first I didn't want to sit on
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  his harry, you know, but so I was kind of like,
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  you know, like pushing my legs on the table so
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  like I could kind of sit up, and he was like,
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  could you please just put all like just sit on me,
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  put all your body weight on me. And then I
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  went I was just kind of like thinking I did.
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  When I was actually sitting on him, I didn't realize
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  what it was. And then like I got grossed out
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  as and as I'm going down, kind of like popped
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  up again because it was gross. Question Okay, he never
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  tried to touch you? Answer besides, like you know, well,
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  what do you mean by touching, like sexually touching me? Question? No,
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  did he ever try to touch you? Answer? He put
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  his hand on my back when he was whacking off
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  or masturbating, like he was just question you keep like
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  motioning like smacking. Answer No, question what do you answer?
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  Like when you're leaning on something, putting your force on it.
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  He was going like that pulling, you know, not like
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  you know. Answer can you show me what you mean? Answer? Okay?
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  And pee, let's say I'm on my back. Where would
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  you be I'm Jeff, where would you be standing? Answer?
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  I'm right here. I was like I was like sitting
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  right here. Question Okay, answer okay. And when he backed up, question,
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  which way was this? Answer? Yeah, question okay, I'm going
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  to my left answer all the way around till your
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  back is on the table. Question okay, I'm facing you
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  answer and then your face is a little bit that way.
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  Answer my right okay answer and inaudible towards like on
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  his knee answer or question Okay, I'm hunched over a
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  little bit. Answer and I'm over here and I'm still
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  giving you a massage and everything, but this hand is
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  around me and inaudible question okay, my left hand would
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  be so my left hand would be around your shoulders.
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  Answer no, under my arm while I'm going like that
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  question okay, so I'm holding you like around the waist answer,
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  uh huh. And that hand was on his question his
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  right hand answer yes, question okay. It just gives me
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  a better picture of trying to understand. That's why answer,
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  uh huh. Question And I appreciate you doing that. I
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  don't mean to make you feel uncomfortable. Do you feel uncomfortable?
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  Answer no? Question okay. And after everything was done, did
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  he watch you get dressed? Answer no, because I was
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  getting dressed while he was out there getting the three hundred.
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  I guess that's what he was doing. That's the only
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  thing that came he came back in with. He was
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  still in a towel and stuff. Question in the room
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  at all? Do you think I don't know if there
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  is or not, but do you think there was anything
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  in there that may have recorded what you did? Answer?
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  Oh my gosh, question a video camera. Answer, Oh my gosh,
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  I didn't think about that. There was lots of places
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  that there could have been. One because there's pictures that
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  could be I don't know, pugone. When he walked out.
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  The reason why I ask is because he walked out
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  once and then came back in right. Answer, yes, pegone,
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  So it could be he just whacked off. I was
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  just curious. I don't know if there is or not. Answer.
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  If there was, I didn't know about it. Pagone. Okay,
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  so you get dressed, you go downstairs. Where is that
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  woman again? Answer? Downstairs talking to Haley and the other girl.
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  Question okay, answer they were having a conversation. Question okay,
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  And at any time did he speak to you or
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  does he know how old you are? Did he know
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  how old you are? Answer? Okay, yes, And as a
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  matter of fact, Haley told me to say I was
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  eighteen because Hailey said, tell him you're eighteen because if
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  you're not, he won't let you in his house. So
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  I said he was. So I said I was eighteen.
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  As I was giving him a massage. He was like,
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  how old are you? And then I was eighteen? But
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  I kind of said it really fast because I didn't
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  want to make it sound like I was lying or anything.
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  Question So what other things did he ask you? Answer?
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  How I know Haley? What school I went to? Question?
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  Did you tell him what school you went to? Answer? Yeah?
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  I told him Wellington. I didn't tell him royal palm.
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  Question Did he ask you what grade you were in?
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  Or did you tell him what grade you were in? Answer? Yeah?
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  He was like what grade are you in? Because I
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  told him I was in twelfth grade? Still question okay,
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  answer because I told him I was eighteen. So question,
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  so you told him you were in twelfth grade? Answer yes?
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  Question are you sure? Answer yes? Question okay? What else
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  did you talk about? Answer? That's about it. He was
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  kind of asking me how, like I knew Hailey? Is
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  Haley nice to me? And then he told me how
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  he knew Hailey and he was like, I was kind
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  of like, how do you know Haley? Because I brought
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  up the conversation. He said, well, I know Haley because
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  she's been working for me for a long time. And
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  then like I kind of you kind of get the
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  picture working for you and hello sitting there giving him
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  a back massage. So I kind of figured it out. Question.
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  He never said that, He just answered yes, question said
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  that she worked for him. Answer, yeah, but don't on
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  our way back home. That like doesn't make any sense
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  if she didn't do that, because why would Haley be
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  doing an audible for almost the same amount of money
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  as me? Question right, Well, why couldn't he pay her
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  that day? Answer? I don't know, because that's a good question,
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  because she didn't as far as I know. But I
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  don't know. But I'm pretty sure she didn't tell me.
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  She didn't think. She was just downstairs having a conversation.
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  And I think I went up to the lady he
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  paid her, because like you know, so because he paid her, Well,
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  I went upstairs, and when I went upstairs, she was
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  still talking to the lady. And still she goes. When
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  we were in the kitchen waiting, the old man come
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  to the house, and she said, oh, the chef is
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  so hot. He works here, and she was like, he's like,
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  he's so hot, you know, saying his face. And then
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  the other girl inaudible because when we saw the chef
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  come in, he was old too. Question so Haley likes
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  older guys? Answer, must like it. Question Okay, so you
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  left off that that was the last time you see him?
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  Answer yeah, that was the last time I went. Question
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  has Jeff ever tried to call you? Answer nope. Question
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  did you leave a phone number? Answer? Yeah, actually I did,
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  because when I was leaving, he goes, please leave your
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  phone number so Haley can keep in touch with you,
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  because she doesn't have your phone number. So I didn't.
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  I just give him my cell number. I didn't give
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  him my house number. I gave him my cell number.
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  Question and how long ago was this? Answer? Oh my gosh,
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  I couldn't tell you the date, but it was about maybe,
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  oh my gosh, a month and a half ago. I
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  don't really know. Question in February. Answer I gets caught
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  off by Pegan because we're on March right now. Answer
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  either the very beginning of February or the end of January.
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  I couldn't tell you. Question how long after did you
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  get into that fight with Sheena? Answer like a week?
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  Question you got into a fight with Sheena on the
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  ninth Answer okay, so yes, it was about a week
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  after or before? Question okay? And who else besides Zach?
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  Did you tell what happened? Answer? That's it? Question besides Haley?
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  Of course? Question or answer Zach and Haley. Question do
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  you think Haley brought anybody else to that house that
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  you know of? Answer no, but she wanted me to
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  bring my sister that same day, was going to her?
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  Question are you lying about anything? Answer no, I'll swear
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  on the Bible. Question okay, swearing to God. That's good
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  enough for me. Answer I swear to God. Question okay,
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  is there anything else you'd like me to talk about?
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  Answer no, because that's about nothing else about the whole thing.
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  Question so that's it. You did not have any kind
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  of sex with him? Answer heck, no, I will swear
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  on my mother's grave. Question you know what having sex
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  with somebody means? Answer yes, I know what having sex
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  with somebody means. Question okay, And you at no time
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  touched his penis? Answer at no time? Did I touch
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  his penis? Question at any time did he touch you? Question?
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  Or answer at no time question besides putting his hands.
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  Answer besides that, no times did he touch me? Question?
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  And just so I can be sure you saw him
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  whaking off once? Answer, yes, I saw him. Question okay,
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  And as far as you think, answer, I think I know. Well,
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  I couldn't say I know, but it's the same noises
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  that were being made when he was an audible question.
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  And that's it, Thank you very much. This will conclude
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  the interview. The time now, by my watch is approximately
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  three zero five. All right, folks, So that's gonna do
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  it for this portion of the Epstein files that have
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  been unsealed, But have no fear there is plenty more
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  on the way. All of the information that goes with
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