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Got to jump into, we were going to jump into some playoff
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predictions and all that, but wait a minute, we talking about
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Darren upstate New York wheezing his ass off.
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How are you? Dude, it's cold.
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It snowed again. I went to pick up my daughter
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from college. It took like 10 hours from start
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to finish thanks to the snow. Yeah, just it's cold, it's
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windy, it sucks. Whatever.
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Down in El Toyo de Mexico, Pedro, how are you today?
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It's warm, that's good. It's very warm and sunny, which
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is a positive thing. Although I haven't been outside
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all day because I've been in meetings all day, but outside of
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that, it looks lovely out there. After this, I am going to see
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hold on to this, I'm going to see Lionel Richie tonight,
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which. Hello, Gary.
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Gary, you're looking for. Well, I'm sure this week's news
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has you dancing on the ceiling. Yeah, Lionel Richie reference.
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There we go. One point for me.
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So yeah, like I said, we were going to go into, you know, we
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got our, let's see if I can get it on there.
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Hey, while you're doing that, a little housekeeping, don't
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forget if you have not signed up for the Capital One Bull Mania
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contest, it actually starts on Saturday.
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And it actually does start with the Cricket Celebration Bowl,
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which kicks off at noon between South Carolina State and Curve
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UA and M. We will not be covering or
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betting on that, but if you want to get off to a good start in
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the pool, please make sure you pick that game at 12:00 or
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you're already going to be a game behind.
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You just want to get that out there.
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All right, Well, yeah, like I said, we were going to cover
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these bowl games and some games going on this weekend, the
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playoff. We have thoughts on that coming
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up as well. But then a fun thing happened
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yesterday. About 3:00 we get a notice on
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our phone and well, as you can tell by the Block M on our
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screen here, Michigan has fired Sharon Moore.
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Christmas came early for Pete, probably not for the reasons he
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expected, but well guys, the floor is yours.
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Darren, do you want to go first so you can get a word in
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edgewise? I would just like to say shame
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on the shame on the college football world for paying
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attention to the wrong college football coach, girlfriend.
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You know, you're all worried about Belichick.
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You know, I'm just going to leave this shame on shame on the
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college football world. But yeah, I mean, I, I remember
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texting you guys a screenshot of what had happened.
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And then it just seemed like every hour it got worse and
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darker and it got really dark. It got bad.
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You know, I, I I'm not going to get into any details.
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I mean, let's face it, you know, we we know Pete and probably a
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lot of Michigan fans didn't want this guy coaching his team.
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But man, there's a lot of people's lives are effed up
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because of this guy, so. I did manage to catch a couple
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live streams from Michigan fan bases last night and a lot of
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them were like, you know, they're kind of happy he's gone.
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I don't think Pete was alone in this, but if you want to go
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ahead, we'll give Pete the floor.
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Yeah, have have at it man. I love that.
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I That's great. Yeah.
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I mean, I've been lobbying for his head for a while.
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Anyway, that's not news to anybody who watches this show.
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I've been very disappointed with his coaching, with his
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recruiting, with a number of things.
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So yeah, Christmas did come early.
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But we don't need shame on the program and the process, right?
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Just fire the guy for being incompetent and not doing his
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job. We didn't need this.
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There's been rumblings for a bit behind the scenes that something
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could have been going on. There was an investigation back
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in the summer where they did interview both Sharon and this
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girl where both of them flatly denied it back in the summer.
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So there was nothing to go on. So that went nowhere.
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Rumblings kept continuing through the fall multiple times
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that there was something going on.
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It kept popping up over and over and over again.
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Once again, there wasn't much to go on because there was no
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evidence right at the end that you're not going to fire a coach
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for just some hearsay when there is really no evidence to support
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it. So apparently what happened
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very, very recently, like this week, is that the girl decided
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to speak. A lot of it seems to be that her
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dad maybe maybe started this conversation with Ward Emmanuel.
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So it looks like that's the direction it came from.
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Is her dad or her dad convinced her to do it?
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They did it together. It's not entirely clear at this
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point, but her dad was involved somehow.
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And so up until this point, neither one of them would say
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anything. And then she slash her dad had
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this conversation and produced clear evidence.
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I would imagine that's texts, pictures, God knows what.
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There apparently was a pregnancy, abortion, all kinds
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of things that happened. So, so I'm guessing she probably
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showed medical evidence of that as well.
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So it, it went very quickly from evidence, it went to the board
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and the board quickly took action and he was fired.
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So obviously we've seen some of the stuff that's happened since
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then where he lost his freaking shit immediately.
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Well, imagine that, right? So the number one, first you,
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you just ended his career, right?
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I mean, who the heck's going to hire this guy again for
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anything? Or he ended his career, he goes
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home, he has to tell his wife, by the way, he has a bunch of
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kids that he got fired for what reason?
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So he's got to tell her that, oh, by the way, I was cheating
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on you, got fired for that. Oh, by the way, all the money
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that we're bringing in gone, right?
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So they got in an argument. He left.
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It seems that the police report's not out yet, but we're
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not exactly sure. It seems that he went to her
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house and either tried to break in or something, threatened to
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kill himself, maybe tried to try to do something to her as well,
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or threatened to, was arrested, and now he's in jail.
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They haven't indicted him yet. Apparently.
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That's up in the air of when that's going to happen.
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It's not going to happen today, maybe tomorrow, who knows where
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that goes. So it's not clear exactly what
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happened with the whole police thing and I don't want to
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speculate, I don't know, but some bad stuff, right?
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This guy obviously had a massive, massive breakdown after
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this occurred. So I feel terrible for his
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family and everybody else is awful.
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I feel bad for this girl who went through this and her family
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freaking terrible. Apparently this girl, to make it
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even worse. So she's an assistant.
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Who was the girl who actually took care of the family on game
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day? So she was the girl that was
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taking the his, his wife and his kids around the stadium on game
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day. So that was that close to the
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family. So this was bad.
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This is bad in every way you can possibly think about it being
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bad. So this is a betting show.
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We're not getting into all that. I'm not going any deeper that
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that's as much as I know at the moment.
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There's a lot of spectrum as you can.
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Actually, I'm a Wolverine. There's a bazillion people that
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I know there's that have all kinds of inside information, all
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kinds of other stuff. Not getting into it.
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What I do care about, because this is a betting show, is where
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we go forward with coaching. There's honor rumors out there.
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Obviously, Caitlin de Boer is number one on the list right
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now. There's a lot of reasons for
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that. He has ties to Michigan.
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He was at Eastern for some time. As a matter of fact, Ward
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Manuel's wife is the realtor who was working, you know, with
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Caitlin's wife when they moved. So there's a connection there
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already. Dusty May, who coaches at the
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Michigan basketball team, who's really good right now, also was
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at Eastern. So there's this little
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connection thing going on there, which is interesting.
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So it would seem that the, you know, kind of leader in the
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clubhouse by far right now is probably Caitlin de Boer.
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And and certainly if they lose this first game of theirs, I
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would think he might very well be the person that gets hired
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simply because then the scrutiny he's going to take in Bama, his
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buyout's pretty low. I would think that he's going to
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just be here. I would think that's what's
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going to happen. Likely.
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It's not the first. I mean, obviously he's got the
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connections. You know, he's got Fama.
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I mean, it's hard to not like that higher.
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I'm APJ Fleck guy that he's not even being talked about right
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now. Honestly, that's not going to
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happen. There's a bunch of others, you
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know, that that are being kicked around.
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So we'll see. But I at the moment, I think it
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really it's Caitlin or family number one by far.
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I mean, obviously there's the wish list of people like John
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Harbaugh and the whole family thing.
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That's probably not going to happen right now.
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But largely because there is a big rift right now between
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Harbaugh, the Harbaugh family and that whole tree of people
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and the leadership at U of M. It's just an issue with them.
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So I don't think any of the people that are in that group
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will come back to U of M as long as that administration is still
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there. Special Ward so that won't
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happen right now could that happen if they left?
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Maybe, but it's not going to happen now.
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So you know, Kaylin probably there's there's a few others in
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play that makes some sense, but it gets really interesting
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beyond that, which I'm sure we can talk about if.
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Kaylin. Goes who goes to Bama, right is.
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Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin.
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Over there, because you know, it's lane, lane, lane does lane
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things and I would not be. After a one month tenure at LSU.
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Lane, it's funny, I watch on other podcasts and politics and
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such, and one of the guys, the big LSU guy, and they're so
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happy to have Lane. That'd be funny as hell.
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He just left immediately. So whole lot of weird stuff
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going on. I'm sure we'll have more talks
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as more information comes out. But yeah, this has been a huge
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black eye for the university. Not good at all.
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Really hard to watch yesterday and especially for all the
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people that are just getting hurt by this.
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That's so bad. So anyway, that's my spiel.
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I'm done. But very, very sad.
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Do you think the rumors coming out had anything to do with they
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lost to Ohio State or that they're going to come out
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anyway? Like even if they had beat Ohio
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State and somehow won the Big 10 going into the playoffs.
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They were coming out anyway because it did This didn't
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really, I mean this this has been a rumor kicking around
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since the summer, well before any of this camp and before any
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losses or anything else. It just this took, you know,
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came to a head because she because she started talking
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right now. What compelled her to talk?
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I think it sounds like her dad is what compelled her to talk.
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So I don't know. I think we'll find out more
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information about what happened there.
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But this came from her because she was not speaking before.
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So I don't know if they broke up right.
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There was some kind of issue with the relationship that
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caused this, which seems to kind of sound like it would be.
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But something happened there in that relationship and now she
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started speaking and that was it, 'cause she had evidence and
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done now. He might, I mean eventually
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coach again. I mean, he freezes coaching
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again. Yeah.
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Coaching again, but. Not with the second part of
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this. With the first part.
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If he just got fired with the relationship, fine.
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Oh yeah, Then everything else, yeah, I guess.
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Forget it's fine, right? But then you get arrested and he
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say if he truly try to assault her or something.
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Who the hell is going to hire? He did that too.
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He did something. He's in jail.
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I mean, so if he gets indicted for trying to assault her or
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something, forget it. He's done, right?
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It's the first part. He could provide the second
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part. Forget it, he's done.
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Yeah, the only things I heard from today, you know, expect
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Ward Manual to be fired in the coming week because he knew
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about this and they conveniently waited till after signing time.
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Yeah. Suddenly make this public.
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He is Sharon. He's supposed to appear in court
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tomorrow. I also heard.
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So able to hear his side. Obviously, I don't know what
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he's going to say, but, you know, he I guess he'll get his
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day in court like everybody is entitled to.
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And Pete, I don't know if you've heard about this like, you know,
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now with the the poor rules. Coach gets fired.
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Yeah, Bryce Underwood, consider leaving.
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I mean, how much talent that they currently have may they not
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have? But they they could but they
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have to wait. But there there is a rule in
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place not worth they have to wait till the new coach is
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higher right. So they can't leave now.
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They have to wait. Till they have five day, I think
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it's five days or something like.
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That right, So and if you hire a start of a coach, if you hire
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Kaylyn or somebody, I mean, sure, then they have fine that
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these players can make their decision.
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But I mean, I don't know why you would leave if you have a a
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really good coach and a really good program, I don't know why
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you would leave. But they could.
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They could choose to leave for sure.
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The silver lining of all this, if there is one interim head
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coach targeting winners favorite Biff Pogi, him and all of his
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hedge funds and sausage making analysis lead them into the what
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the cheez it bowl? Yeah, Cheez it bowl.
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Yeah. Let's get can we talk about
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college football now? Can we?
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Let's do that. Let's do that.
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So all the college football bracket came out and Alabama and
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Miami and Notre Dame out and you got a feel for Notre Dame.
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I mean, nothing ever goes their way.
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When are they going to catch a break?
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You know, ever. I mean, feels so bad for Notre
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Dame, but the committee? Came on the show saying I wasn't
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going to talk, but now you're, now you're.
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Poke, poke, poke. Here we go.
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So I thought, I thought this year was funny.
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Catholics versus committee, I think, you know it's there.
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So. I mean, they bring the memes out
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there. I don't know if you have any
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thoughts on this. I mean, I think Alabama should
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have been left out. I think that's a consensus that
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Notre Dame should have been in and Alabama out so that since
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ESPN runs this thing, they're going to put, you know, they're
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going to put the SEC teams in over anybody else, even with,
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you know, for some reason, everyone talks about the
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leverage that Notre Dame has, which is why they're getting the
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automatic bid next year and all this other stuff.
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I don't see why, but I don't know.
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Any thoughts on maybe them joining a conference now or?
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I can tell you why they get the automatic thing.
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Well first of all they have to be ranked at A at a certain spot
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depending on how many teams are in.
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Probably 10 or higher or 12 or higher.
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No, it's if they if it stays 12, they have to be in the top 12 to
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be guaranteed a spot. If it goes to 14 or 16, they
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have to be in the top 13. And then I see a lot of the
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Notre Dame haters. Why did they get why?
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Why did they why? I don't know.
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They're going to squeeze Notre Dame out of the schedule.
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First of all, all the other Power 4 conferences signed off
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on this as being OK. So if you're going to be mad at
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anybody, I mean, don't be mad at Notre Dame, be mad at all the
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other commissioners that said they could do this.
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I mean, what school wouldn't do this if given the opportunity?
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They're not gonna join a conference.
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They do too. You know, they, they, every time
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you went around in the playoff bracket, you get a certain
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amount of money. Notre Dame didn't have to share
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any of that money last year with anybody.
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Why would they? Why would any school want to
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share it? But all the other conferences
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have to share it. So they're not going to go to a
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conference. They're going to take that US
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against the world mentality. Do I think they should have been
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in the playoff? No, I don't.
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Your resume was not that good. You had two games against
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playoff teams. You lost them both.
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When one of those we're not even having this conversation.
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You know, this whole I'm going to say it.
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They're acting like little bitches.
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I'm sorry, I'm a Notre Dame supporter, but this whole thing,
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this press conference with this AD bro, that was 20 minutes of
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my life. I can't get back.
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You're acting like a petty little bitch, just, you know,
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win one of those two games and none of this is even a thing.
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Do I understand the opting out? Fine.
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You're, you're, you're not against Miami or anybody like
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that. You're against the whole
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selection process. I get that.
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You know, you moved Alabama up two weeks ago for an unknown
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reason. And then what's that idiot's
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name that's running the committee?
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You're a check, hunter. You're a check.
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Who, by the way, looks like he couldn't preside over a trip to
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Chuck E Cheese, much less 12 other people making decisions on
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who should be playing in the postseason.
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I think the thing that really pissed Notre Dame off, and to be
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fair, BYU, Vanderbilt and to some extent the Texas fan bases,
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you came right out and said, all right, we dropped BYU below
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Miami because they basically got whacked in their conference
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championship game. But.
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You didn't do it to Bama, but you didn't do it.
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Bama got whack. Yeah.
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All these teams that stayed home, Texas, Vandy, Notre Dame,
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Miami, they all had more rushing yards than Alabama did.
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OK, because Alabama had -3 rushing yards against Georgia.
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I had more rushing yards in. Alabama, yes, you did, and you
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looked great doing it as. Well, I'm entering the transfer
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portal as. Well, you should, but like, why
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did you not drop Bama? You know, I it's just and that
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just basically comes out and tells me, yeah, everybody that
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thinks this is a whole ESPNSEC makes these decisions.
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I mean, I don't know. I totally believe that.
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But what other assumptions could you make after that show?
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I I don't know. So I get what Notre Dame's
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doing. And, you know, not out of the
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bowl game. I don't really care.
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Like, I was, I was talking to Pete about this last night.
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If supposedly there was a team meeting, you met with your
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captains, you met with your seniors, if you all unanimously
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decided we don't want to play in this game.
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All right, that's cool. Nine other programs at this
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point, as we're sitting here, have opted out anyway, so I I
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don't really care. Like if you watched the Pop Tart
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Bowl, you think Jeremiah Love is going to suit up for that before
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he goes to the pros? You think he should?
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That's the People's Championship game.
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Listen. There is nothing I want more.
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It is my bucket list to stand on the sideline and take a bite out
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of a six foot pop tart. I'm not going to lie that I mean
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there is that I wouldn't. Share a six foot pop tart.
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I'm not. Sure, if it was S'mores I would
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fight you so that you wouldn't be allowed any because s'mores
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pop tarts the ball, but I'm just saying I I see both sides.
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The timing makes you look like you're just a petty group of
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bitches, and to some extent you are.
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But you know what the other side of that is?
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Well, they played six ACCG. Well, it'd be mad at the ACC for
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sucking ass. I, I, I don't know what else to
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tell you. They had two big 10 teams on
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their schedule. They had two SEC teams on their
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schedule. It's not their fault that the
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ACC blows. I mean, you got a five loss team
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win your conference. You know, maybe you should be
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better. You know, I, I could see both
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sides of it not, not leading towards supporting my team right
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now, but. I just take that whole charade
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that they put with, you know, they during the championship
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games, they show the committee there in some room with a bunch
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of TV's and they're all sitting there in big lounge chairs
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eating like finger foods and like, oh, oh, that was a big
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play right there, a big play. Like they already know what
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they're going to do. They were going to do exactly
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what they were going to do. And the fact that they they do
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this in the weekly shows every week, it's.
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Yeah. Do away with the polls, Do away
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with the committee. Go back to the old way.
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That's what we should do. Go back to the old way.
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The bottom line is the the goal of the committee, per their
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website, is to get the 12 best teams in your.
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Your criteria right now does not allow that it.
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Does. Not and you had two teams
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absolutely playing like ass, which conveniently or both in
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the Southeast Conference, Oklahoma and Alabama, they both
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should have been out. I think Miami should have been
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in and you can argue till the end of time whether Notre Dame
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or BYU should have gotten that other spot or Vanderbilt.
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I, I don't care. You can even make a case to me
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for Vanderbilt and I wouldn't be mad at you.
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But it's the process I think that Notre Dame and everybody
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else is upset about and and right fleece and just all the
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switching. Why why didn't you have Miami
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ahead of Notre Dame after, you know, they beat them?
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I get Miami had a couple of bad losses.
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Maybe you dropped Miami too far. Maybe you had Notre Dame too
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high. But ever since Texas beat
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Vanderbilt midway through the season, you always had Texas
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above Vanderbilt right up until the very end.
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So. The process, we all know it
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sucks and there's so much hatred towards bowl games, which I
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don't understand. I love bowl season as a fan, as
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a better, but you do on New Year's Day like this, exactly
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like like this in the whole Michigan thing.
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I think this is just the the tip of the iceberg for both of these
20:19
situations. I think it's going to get a lot
20:22
uglier before it starts to get better.
20:24
But that's my thoughts. They shouldn't be in, but the
20:29
criteria should be changed because there's nobody on this
20:32
plan. They failed to think ahead.
20:36
They always plan for this year, then they did something for next
20:39
year. That whole automatic bid that's
20:40
going to screw something else up next year, then they're going to
20:42
change that. And every year they keep
20:44
changing the rules. They, they don't know how to
20:46
think five years down the line, 6 years down the line and, and
20:50
anything I remember when you know, Miami, Virginia Tech and I
20:54
think maybe Boston collar Pitt came into the ACC and they were
20:58
like, well, we'll put Miami and the other side that way.
21:01
We get 2 Florida State Miami games every year.
21:03
We get the, the regular season game and then we get the
21:06
conference championship game. And then they didn't realize
21:08
that one or both of these teams are going to suck at any given
21:11
time. And then for the next 25 years,
21:13
we've never had a Florida State Miami championship game in the
21:16
ACC because either Florida State sucks or Miami sucks or they
21:19
both suck. And then we end up with, you
21:21
know, Duke and whoever. Go back to the BCS, go back to
21:25
divisions. I don't care what you got.
21:26
To do bring back the Big Eight, bring back the Southwest
21:29
Conference. Every week, every week they were
21:32
valuing something is more important.
21:34
Yeah. Well the head to head is
21:35
important. Well Alabama looked great
21:37
getting up 17 to nothing before playing like ass for the rest of
21:40
the season. I just, you know, it's not.
21:43
Consistent, right? It's not clear, it's not
21:45
consistent. You don't know what they
21:46
actually consider and more important than anything else and
21:48
it is changing whatever they want just.
21:50
Weekly. All right guys, this is a whole
21:51
other show which we can do. Yeah, we'll, we'll play it this
21:54
weekend. Here we go.
21:56
That's a great February. Show.
21:58
Great live stream, everybody can come in and bitch with us it'll.
22:00
Be one. Yes, it'll be great.
22:02
Saturday, 3:00 Baltimore, MD Army, Navy.
22:06
We got our Navy favored to buy 2 1/2 over under 39 1/2.
22:10
The series has been bookended. The first meeting was won by
22:13
Navy 24 to nothing, and last year they won 31 to 13.
22:18
I don't have a bet on this one. This is usual little friendly
22:23
spat between my neighbors. You got Bill and Julie on one
22:25
side with all the Navy stuff. We got Mr. Bob on the other
22:27
side, old Army vet with all the Army stuff.
22:30
So those who go back and forth, it's good times for all.
22:33
So not going to lie, I'm rooting for Mr. Bob and Army this time.
22:36
So he always has treats for my dog and so he's always a very
22:40
nice guy. So go Army.
22:41
I don't know if you guys have any thoughts on this game, but
22:44
that's my thoughts. Go Army.
22:46
I'm just curious what you guys can let me know what the current
22:48
line is because for some reason I thought Navy is now favored by
22:51
a lot more than that. I can't look at it here.
22:55
It involves a New York college. It doesn't even show on my apps.
22:58
But some of these I thought the Navy went up to like 5 1/2 or 6
23:03
or something like that, but. Did the total move?
23:05
I'm wondering. I have no idea.
23:08
Yeah, I said. I haven't any time to look again
23:09
today. Yeah.
23:12
Let me look here. No, no, no, no.
23:18
I'll get out of here. Well, while you guys are looking
23:21
that up, I'll just go because I I, I don't have a bet on this
23:23
due to the whole, you know, army being in new.
23:25
York 5 and a. Half 5 1/2 OK so it has gone up
23:28
and that makes sense but I I did write down I did have a lean to
23:31
the under if I was making a bet. I also have a lean on Navy here.
23:35
I know these games are usually close.
23:37
The lower total covering 5 1/2 or 6 seem ridiculous, but Navy
23:42
changed their offense a lot going into last year and you can
23:44
see from the result Army had no idea how to stop it with the 18
23:47
point victory. Yeah, Army's team last year had
23:49
Bryson Daly and Kanye Udo, that quarterback and running back
23:52
respectfully. Both those guys are gone.
23:55
I don't want to say Navy rolls here because I know this is
23:58
obviously a gigantic rivalry game.
24:00
Both sides well represented in Baltimore this weekend.
24:05
I don't know if Army has figured anything out and I guess we'll
24:08
find out. I just don't know if they have
24:10
the the skill positions on offense to keep up here.
24:12
Horvath supposed to play for Navy?
24:15
I watched that game Thanksgiving night, the second-half where
24:17
they pretty much dominated Memphis on the road.
24:19
Navy did. Think you're looking at
24:22
something similar margin of victory for Navy this year as
24:24
well. That would be my lean.
24:29
Yeah, I've got, I've got a bet on this one.
24:31
So 39 1/2. It did move a little bit down to
24:34
38 1/2. Right now, just looking live, it
24:37
looks like pretty much everybody has 38 1/2.
24:39
So it's come down a little bit. Actually, there's one that's 38.
24:42
Yeah, that feels about right. I mean, other than last year
24:44
that was pretty high scoring for this game.
24:45
This this game has traditionally been very low scoring, just
24:50
almost almost always like a really low scoring game.
24:53
That's what I'm playing here. I'm playing the fact that this
24:55
game is close, it's tight, it's low scoring.
24:59
It's just one of those things, you know, I didn't even look to
25:01
see what the weather was going to be, but quite often the
25:03
weather can be. Supposed to be nice.
25:05
Is it supposed? To be not well, not a factor.
25:08
I don't know, it'll be nice December in the Mid-Atlantic
25:10
State, but. And everyone could get in there.
25:13
Doesn't seem to matter, right? I mean, it's just a close
25:15
physical game. No surprise with these two units
25:18
here. So yeah, I mean, I think it's
25:20
going to be a relatively close game, but a low scoring game.
25:22
So that 39 1/2 fell pretty high to me, just at least
25:26
historically for this game. So to me it's a one unit play on
25:29
the under. All right.
25:32
Any final thoughts on that one or should we just move on?
25:35
Well, you didn't give yours. Do you have any final thoughts
25:37
on? That no, no final thoughts, no
25:39
army, I guess for the. Guy that gives your dog treats.
25:42
Yeah, the guy that gives my dog treats.
25:43
Therefore, I'm rooting for Army and I have no other views on
25:47
this game. Just watch my neighbors RIP on
25:50
each other. So let's go into the Gronk Bowl
25:53
or what is this called the LA Bowl Bucked up whatever it is.
25:58
So we got Boise State in Washington, opening line was
26:02
Washington -8 1/2 over under 51 1/2.
26:06
Boise, say going to the PAC 12. They're getting the band back
26:09
together next season or so. And you guys got any thoughts on
26:12
this one? I mean, I lean over both these
26:18
quarterbacks. Madsen and Williams are supposed
26:20
to play. Boise State's probably not going
26:24
to have too much success running the ball.
26:26
Washington is really good at stopping the run, so I expect
26:28
them to go to the air, which y'all know.
26:31
A lot of times incomplete passes, they're going to stop
26:33
the clock. It's going to allow for more
26:34
plays. I think this is going to be a
26:37
point fest. If that's 51 1/2 I do have a
26:41
lean to the over, but no, no official play for me.
26:46
Peter yeah, same. I was leaning heavily in the
26:49
over here. I almost played the overs.
26:51
I expect quite a quite a few quite a few points here.
26:53
So I I expect the scoring fast. Of course, sidebar with the
26:56
whole Michigan thing, Jet Fish is on the list, on the very
27:00
short list to be a potential Michigan coach as well 'cause he
27:03
has connection to Michigan. So I don't know what that means
27:06
or if it plays in this game at all in terms of how the team is
27:09
prepared or how his mindset is going in.
27:12
Probably not, other than the fact that just going to let the
27:14
score is scoreboard as usual. So yeah, I expect a high scoring
27:18
game here. That over is very enticing.
27:20
I decided not to play because I didn't want to play everything
27:22
here. But yeah, it's leaning heavily
27:25
over here. All right, you guys were leaning
27:27
over. I am betting over for a lot of
27:30
the reasons you guys just said. Also, you know, Washington does
27:34
not commit very many penalties or fewer penalties in Boise
27:37
State. They have a really good kickoff
27:39
return game. So maybe that'll lead to some
27:41
short fields, high play volume on Boise State.
27:45
They're going to keep the plays rolling and rolling and rolling.
27:47
It's going to be a lot of plays, a lot of yards, scoring fest.
27:52
Boise State does protect the passer a little bit better than
27:55
I think than Washington does. So maybe if there's a scooping
27:58
score off of a sack possibility, maybe it's not a freak like
28:01
that. Usually bowl game, something
28:02
crazy always happens. A lot of explosive plays from
28:05
Washington. This whole thing for me just
28:07
screams over. So I put a unit down on the over
28:11
of 51 1/2. We all agree that scares the
28:15
crap out of me. Same bro, I was thinking about
28:17
betting that I am holding off now, not even dodging it.
28:22
So 1 unit. That's this Saturday, 8:00 All
28:28
right, now we got the Salute to Veterans Bowl opening line is
28:32
Troy -3 the over under is also once again 51 1/2 Tay Meadows
28:39
for Troy opting out. He's starting running back.
28:42
There's an opt out for Jacksonville State or no.
28:45
He's also on the defense, but this guy doesn't really play
28:48
that much. So DJ Jackson, you're opting
28:52
out. Good luck to you.
28:52
So we got Tuesday, next Tuesday the 16th at 9:00 Montgomery, AL
28:58
Darren, your thoughts on this one start with you.
29:00
I have. None, like you said, Trey
29:02
Meadows out definitely hurts Troy.
29:04
Their quarterback Goose Crowder was hurt, came back, got hurt
29:06
again so who knows if he's going to play or not.
29:09
Jacksonville State's defense kind of ass.
29:12
Not sure what to expect from them.
29:14
Had to make a play here. I would take the three though
29:16
with Jacksonville State just because I don't know what Troy's
29:19
going to do for a running game here and Jacksonville State
29:22
could certainly control the clock here in this one.
29:24
But you know the the opt outs and everything.
29:28
I'm a little leery, especially when a a good skilled position
29:30
player opts out. Love the points, hate the
29:34
defense, so I'm just going to going to stay away here.
29:39
I'm. Peter yeah, for some of those
29:41
reasons that 51 1/2 I mean, I thought about the under here and
29:44
just the opt outs and and then, you know, it seems to me that it
29:48
could very well go under here. I I I was not very confident in
29:52
that. Plus I just, I do like betting
29:53
Troy But I I thought I'd avoid it here just because it's, it's
29:56
just, there's too many opt outs. I'm not quite sure what to do
29:58
with this thing. But I do think it's going to be
30:01
a lower scoring bowl game in that respect.
30:03
So, you know, I so I'm leaning under, but I didn't think it was
30:06
worth the play here. So those are my thoughts.
30:09
OK, I was actually leaning a little money line bowl sprinkle
30:13
here. We got the turnover ratio was
30:16
massive in favor of Jack State. Also with Meadows opting out a
30:20
big offensive player there getting 3.
30:23
So I was actually leaning towards a little money line here
30:27
with Jack State. But I just lean when I bet a
30:30
lot, I lose a lot. I bet on like every game last
30:33
week and it was a disaster. So I'm not going to bet on all
30:35
the bow games as much as I would love to.
30:38
But yeah, if I was going to bet on this one, I would take a
30:40
gamble with the the money line and I would have taken Jack
30:43
State. And also for some reason, I just
30:46
everyone thinks he has to seize the best.
30:47
I think the Sunbelt's the worst. I don't know.
30:50
I know they have James Madison in in the playoffs and
30:53
everything. But yeah, so for whatever
30:56
reason, I just think, you know, comments here is better than the
30:58
Sunbelt. But other than that turnover,
31:01
turnover ratio was like screaming at me to there's going
31:05
to be some big plays, especially with the backup running back in.
31:07
I can see Jack State pulling this one out.
31:10
Any thoughts on that? The Mac is the worst efforts in
31:14
football, but it's the most. It it isn't me again, yeah.
31:18
I don't want to discourage our favorite conference.
31:21
No, I'm just, that's why I said we love it the most.
31:23
But as far as quality of football?
31:25
Yeah, it's not great. Right.
31:27
Yeah, bad. All right, now we got the Cure
31:29
ball, so we got Ronald Smith on guitar.
31:32
Excellent. Simon Gallup.
31:34
I'm oh, wait. I'm sorry.
31:35
That's the wrong cure. I'm sorry.
31:38
I think two of those guys are playing quarterback for their
31:40
respective teams. Because we.
31:42
Don't have any starters here anymore.
31:45
Opening line South Florida -7 I think it went down to 6 1/2 over
31:51
under 56 1/2. Old Dominion looking at for
31:54
their first ten win season opt outs.
31:56
Byron Brown, the quarterback quarterback for both teams.
31:59
Colton Joseph is also out. I had a bet I put in before I
32:02
knew all of this, but we'll start with Peter.
32:04
What do you think on this game? Yeah, me too.
32:06
I had a bet I put in before all this too, which was the over 56
32:10
1/2. Yeah, I decided to roll with it.
32:13
Why not? I mean, you know, having the
32:15
quarterbacks out is not exactly helping my cause here.
32:18
But then again, and the guys we're going to fill in, throw a
32:21
few picks, few fumbles, gosh knows what happens.
32:24
It's a bowl game. You never know what's going to
32:26
happen here. I mean, I don't trust either one
32:27
of these defenses all that much. So it doesn't, you know, plus
32:30
they haven't seen these quarterbacks.
32:31
So we're going to play sometimes that that plays well, right?
32:34
When you get get a guy out there that don't, they have no tape on
32:36
the guy. He hasn't done anything.
32:38
He starts flinging the ball around the field.
32:39
It's the bowl game. So who cares?
32:41
You know, there's been some pretty interesting performances
32:43
in bowl games with guys who just come off the bench, don't play,
32:46
start flinging the ball around and nobody's really seen them
32:49
play. And all of a sudden they're, you
32:50
know, they, they throw for 350 yards.
32:52
So who the heck knows what's going to happen?
32:54
So I am leading in for a little fun.
32:56
I'm leading in for some high scoring just for the heck of it.
32:59
So I'm sticking with my over bet 56 and a half 1,000,000.
33:05
Darren. Yeah.
33:07
I mean, once both quarterbacks left, I had zero interest in
33:10
there. I actually had written down a
33:14
lean towards South Florida before the Byron Brown news came
33:16
out today. I, I just don't know, like for
33:20
South Florida. Like what does your coaching
33:22
situation look like? Apparently Byron Brown's gonna
33:23
be on the sideline as a coach 'cause I guess they don't have
33:25
anybody left. All the offensive coaches are,
33:28
are now at Auburn. Curious to see if Byron Brown
33:33
follows, but that's another show.
33:37
But yeah, I went with, with the obviously not a lot of opt outs,
33:41
but two pretty significant ones here.
33:45
That coaching uncertainty with South Florida.
33:47
I, I would trust them, but I can't, man.
33:51
I think there's like nobody left for the coaching staff.
33:55
So I, I will, I don't even have a lean.
33:58
I, I I'm passing on this one altogether.
34:00
I have a guy that could probably bring in for the day to coach
34:02
the team because he's not doing anything else right now.
34:04
As soon as he bails out, he could probably coach the team
34:05
for the day. He probably could.
34:08
He's. Available.
34:09
There's hotties down in Orlando you never.
34:11
Know exactly you could have a great time.
34:13
Love to go there. Yeah, well, I do have a bet on
34:16
this one. I put it in before the opt outs,
34:19
but then I saw that, you know, quarterback from both teams are
34:21
opting out, So what the hell, stick with it.
34:23
I was not offered to buy out anyway, so I have no choice but
34:26
to stick with it. But I'll still give it out.
34:28
I have South Florida given 6 1/2.
34:30
Again, I'm looking at the turnover.
34:33
Turnover margin here is big in favor of South Florida
34:36
penalties. Also, you know they're more
34:40
efficient on 3rd and 4th down. Now this is all with the regular
34:44
quarterback and with Byron Brown coaching.
34:47
Hopefully he's smart enough not to call any bubble screens or,
34:50
you know, line up in a shotgun on 3rd and one and do all the
34:53
things. Maybe he's angling for a
34:54
coaching job. So I still like South Florida
34:58
giving 6 1/2 in this one against Old Dominion.
35:02
Any final thoughts before you move on?
35:05
I hope you guys both win. That's perfect.
35:09
Thank you for that. You're welcome.
35:12
All right, we're moving right along to the Ventures 68
35:16
Ventures Bowl, Mobile, AL. This is next Wednesday.
35:19
Opening line, Louisiana -3 with a over under a 58 1/2 first ever
35:25
appearance for the Delaware Blue Hens.
35:27
Isn't that where Joe Flacco went?
35:30
It is, It is. Wow.
35:33
So and now, Louisiana's got an 8 year bowl streak.
35:36
So far, so good. As of Thursday afternoon,
35:38
nobody's opting out. So Dan, we'll start with you on
35:41
this one. Any thoughts?
35:42
Yeah, this is my only bet for the early slate of bowl games
35:46
here, starting with with Louisiana.
35:48
I had high hopes for them coming into this season.
35:52
Apparently the only raging thing they did was play like ass
35:54
because they did not have the year I had hoped.
35:57
I do love their quarterback who came in lunch Winfield.
36:01
I mean, dude's first name is a meal.
36:03
How do you not love that? But apparently the last game
36:07
they played against Louisiana Monroe, not only was he
36:10
incredibly ineffective, 10 of 21 for 82 yards, he also got hurt.
36:15
So while he is not on an injury report, I don't if he shows up
36:21
on Tuesday as hey, I'm not playing.
36:23
Wouldn't surprise me one bit. So kind of fading Louisiana, but
36:27
I watched a couple of Delaware games.
36:29
We all did when Conference USA ruled the midweek during
36:33
October. I like Nick Ninicucci as QB and
36:37
again, this is a team that's their first year in the FBS.
36:39
They weren't supposed to be playing in a bowl game because
36:42
the NCAA we all know makes rules that totally benefit their
36:45
student athletes 100% of the time.
36:48
But thanks to like 10 schools opting out of bowl games, they
36:52
get to go to 1. And motivation is always
36:56
something you have to consider in bowl season and I don't know
37:00
if you're going to find a more motivated team in this first
37:03
week of games than Delaware. They have to be excited to be
37:05
here because it wasn't expected. The only reason I didn't go
37:09
money line here is because their defense can also be asked at
37:13
times. But fortunately for them, so is
37:15
Louisiana. So I will take the three points
37:19
and I am betting on the Blue Hens.
37:22
Yeah, if the over under was a little bit lower, I was going to
37:24
shoot for the younger just because of both defenses,
37:26
alright. Well, there's a reason it's not
37:28
that low. I mean, 56, it was like 56, you
37:33
know? I see you guys didn't catch
37:35
this, but the total is actually in the title of the bowl game
37:38
there will. Be 68. 38 to 30, Delaware.
37:44
Here we go. I mean, statistically, as far as
37:50
yards and everything, these teams are offensively are
37:52
identical, but the way they get the yards are opposite.
37:54
Like Louisiana's all run, Delaware's all pass.
37:58
And just for that, I would bet on Louisiana if I was going to
38:01
bet on this just because passing more things can go wrong where
38:05
if he can just run the ball, you know, like we always say, run
38:08
the damn ball. So they have that.
38:10
They're pretty even in everything else.
38:11
The turnover ratio favors Louisiana a little bit as well.
38:15
I think the total advantage is +5 for total advantage, but
38:19
they're given three. I would like Louisiana minus to
38:22
three. Those are my thoughts, Peter.
38:25
I don't know, sounds like they ate that quarterback's lunch
38:26
last week, though. That'll be done.
38:31
Yeah, I mean, that total. And if it was a couple points
38:33
lower, I would have gone over. I really considered it anyway,
38:36
'cause it this could get in the 60s.
38:39
But I'm really rooting for Delaware for everything Darren
38:40
said. I mean, it's kind of cool that
38:42
they're there. They should be motivated.
38:44
They're going to be excited to be there, so it'll be fun just
38:47
to watch a play there. I I expect you'll see a a bunch
38:49
of players that are playing their ass off.
38:51
So that'll be fun to see. So they're gonna I'd expect them
38:53
to score a bunch of points. So I still think the over's in
38:55
play here, especially if it comes down a little bit.
38:58
If it ticks down a little bit before that game starts, I would
39:01
definitely be considering playing that game.
39:03
So we'll see. We'll see what happens there,
39:04
but I did not make a play except numbers right on the border of
39:08
where I want to be. Give me a 57 or something.
39:10
I'm I'm in on that over. So we'll see what happens.
39:14
I think Tim brought up a good point looking at some stats for
39:16
these teams. I think when you're comparing
39:17
the Sunbelt to Conference USA, you can kind of compare that
39:20
because the level of competition is probably the same.
39:24
I wouldn't recommend doing that. You looking at Boise State like
39:26
playing Washington, you have a Mountain West team, Playing a
39:29
Big 10 team. I mean, that's just a completely
39:31
different animal. I mean, if you really break it
39:34
down, you say, oh, Boise State was really good against the pass
39:36
this year. Well, you know, they didn't have
39:37
to play San Jose State, who wings it all over the place.
39:40
They didn't have to play Pete's favorite Mountain West team,
39:42
Hawaii, who flings it all over the place.
39:45
So, yeah, of course your past defense numbers are going to
39:47
look better, but you're probably not going to be able to handle
39:49
them on Williams in that game. So definitely compare the stats.
39:53
But just remember where these teams are are are coming from.
39:55
But I think in this case, the you can certainly do that.
39:58
But. Oh, I think this is the last one
40:03
of the day. We got the Xbox Bowl next
40:06
Thursday, the 18th in Frisco, TX.
40:08
Arkansas State favored by 2 1/2 over Missouri State.
40:13
The over under is 56 and a half. First ever bowl game for
40:15
Missouri State. Arkansas started one and four
40:19
and they became eligible the last week of the season.
40:21
That's in a rally. And as always, as of now, no
40:25
players have opted out. Darren, let's start with you.
40:29
Yeah, much like Delaware and Missouri State, another team
40:31
that should not be bowled eligible but they are.
40:34
I expect them to win the motivation battle here.
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The only reason I have not fired on this yet, Tim had mentioned
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the OP out. So both these quarterbacks right
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now are supposed to be in and if it is Jacob Clark from Missouri
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State and it is Jalen Rainer of Arkansas State, I will be
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throwing up a short on game day betting the over here because
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those two guys, it's like arena ball, man.
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These guys will Chuck it for 60 minutes, defense be damned.
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So I'm just letting you right now.
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I don't have a play on this. But if it gets to game day and
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both these quarterbacks are in, expect to see this ugly mug with
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a YouTube short betting the over because because I think this
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total is is probably about four or 4 1/2 points too low.
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Yeah, they're they're Darren just took my script.
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I mean, that's exactly it. I mean, at the end of the day
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here, if both of those quarterbacks play, this is going
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to go back and forth. This is arena ball.
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There's going to be a lot of scoring.
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It's going to be fun to watch. If you like offense, it's going
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to be great. All right, so I'm going to wait,
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but I will very likely play the over as well.
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If both of these quarterbacks are going to play.
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Haven't done it yet because it's the opt out thing.
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I don't know what's going to happen here, but if they're
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playing, I'm betting, especially if the number's anywhere near
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this because this is going to be in the 60s.
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Well, Pete, get with me on Thursday morning.
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We'll do a short together if Clark and Rayner are both in.
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Yeah, on this one, I was actually leaning a little
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another money line sprinkle here on Missouri State.
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You look at the turnover ratio and -9 with Arkansas State, but
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then you look at the pass protection from Missouri, they
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give up a lot of sacks and they commit a lot of penalties.
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So it's going to spoil the drives again, bowl games.
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I can see it on a sack of scoop and score something like that
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happening to to totally change the game Here I was laying money
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line sprinkle on Missouri State, but I decided to back off.
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But maybe I'll look at it some more and maybe I'll join you
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guys with a short Thursday morning or something.
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But heavy lean towards Missouri on the money line and other than
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that, that's all that's all I got for that one.
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I don't know if you guys want to wrap it up, No.
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That's good. All right.
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Here we go, Pete. What you got for this week?
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Let's recap it. Yeah, Army, Army, Navy, the
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usual battle here under 38 1/2. I'm not expecting a whole lot of
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scoring and a whole lot of physical play.
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And then we have old men in South Florida, even with the opt
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outs we're we're hanging in here and expecting some fun, I hope
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over 55 1/2. All right, And I've got Boise
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State, Washington going over 51 1/2 on Saturday, and on
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Wednesday I got South Florida -6 1/2 over Old Dominion.
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Darren. Yeah, I, I, I I'm a little more
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hesitant, especially the beginning of bowl season here.
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So I only have one bet. I took three points with
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Delaware over Louisiana. All right, that's going to wrap
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