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The Kenny Report | 7 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me. So much happening here and around
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  Speaker 3: the world today. The Papal conclave meets to elect the
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  Speaker 3: next Pope.
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  Speaker 1: I'll cross live to the Vatican in just a moment.
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  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Peter Darton returns to Canberra and the coalition's internal
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  Speaker 3: battle over nuclear energy goes public, and Indian and Pakistani
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  Speaker 3: fighter jets and missiles explode across the line of control
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  Speaker 3: as these nuclear powers skirmish yet again.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me tonight, Pauline Hansen, former New South.
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  Speaker 3: Wales police Minister, David Elliott, and Liz Storer and Joe Hildebrand.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get into it. It hasn't taken them long. The
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  Speaker 3: Socialists Left are already pushing to take the Albanese Labor
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  Speaker 3: government further to the left.
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  Speaker 1: Even before the.
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  Speaker 3: New ministry's sworn in, Anthony Alberanese's government was already heavily
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  Speaker 3: left leaning by factional allegiance. The Prime Minister, his Foreign
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  Speaker 3: Minister Penny Wong, and Environment Minister Tanya Plebasek are all
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  Speaker 3: members of the Socialist Left faction, as are the Health
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  Speaker 3: Minister Mark Butler and Finance Minister Katie Gallaghan.
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  Speaker 1: Now the election looks like bringing in more.
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  Speaker 3: Left faction MPs, so that the socialists left, long kept
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  Speaker 3: in check by the pragmatists of the ALP right faction
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  Speaker 3: is likely to dominate the new caucus, and they're already
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  Speaker 3: throwing their weight around. The Labor Environment Action Network is
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  Speaker 3: demanding the Albanesi government increases its emission's reduction goals. Instead
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  Speaker 3: of cutting emissions forty three percent by twenty thirty, it
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  Speaker 3: wants a seventy percent cut. Look, this is ridiculous and
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  Speaker 3: if they took it seriously, it.
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  Speaker 1: Had lead to even more economic upheaval.
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  Speaker 3: Truth be known, Australia won't even get to the forty
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  Speaker 3: three percent target. Seventy percent is laughable, but it says
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  Speaker 3: a lot about how ideological the new caucus might be,
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  Speaker 3: how it'll try to try to push the government even
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  Speaker 3: harder to the loopy left. The other angle they're pushing
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  Speaker 3: is to have another go at so called nature positive
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  Speaker 3: laws dressed up.
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  Speaker 1: With a warm and cuddly name.
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  Speaker 3: The nature positive push is actually another globalist move for
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  Speaker 3: additional environmental controls. Yeah, this really is a globalist push
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  Speaker 3: to have United Nations climate goals backed up by strident
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  Speaker 3: national laws that can stop developments and inhibit economic progress.
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  Speaker 3: And even in its last term, Labor tried to go
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  Speaker 3: down this path.
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  Speaker 4: And I'll say that nature positive and net zero objectives
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  Speaker 4: work together. They should go hand in hand because nature
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  Speaker 4: based solutions should be used to achieve both our environment
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  Speaker 4: and our climate goals.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, tenure plibocek hiding amongst the shrubbery there now, with
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  Speaker 3: a caucus full of socialist Left MPs, the re elected
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  Speaker 3: socialist left Prime minister will be urged to have another
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  Speaker 3: crack at these nature positive laws early days, sure, but
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  Speaker 3: already there are worrying signs. Let's have another look at
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  Speaker 3: a policy I reckon had a major impact on the
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  Speaker 3: election result. It was a bad and irresponsible policy, but
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  Speaker 3: I reckon it bought Labor hundreds of thousands of votes,
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  Speaker 3: maybe millions. And that is the promise to reduce all
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  Speaker 3: Hex's debt. Yeah, Labor will reduce all student loans by
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  Speaker 3: twenty percent, something they spruked heavily in the campaign.
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  Speaker 5: Underdone your HEX debt, childcare, medicine's tafties go up and
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  Speaker 5: he cuts you.
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  Speaker 6: Are you still sating who to vote for?
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  Speaker 7: Hear me out, I'm voting labor executeting to wipe in
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  Speaker 7: twenty percent off everyone's student debt, which means we could
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  Speaker 7: all save literally thousands of dollars.
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  Speaker 6: But you got to vote to make that happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no subtlety, was there.
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  Speaker 3: This was a pure election bribe to the young, and
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  Speaker 3: labor knew it.
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  Speaker 8: If you ask me, what's the biggest and most important
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  Speaker 8: thing that we need to do in higher education, and
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  Speaker 8: it's cutting the cost of university degrees by cutting hex's
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  Speaker 8: debt by twenty percent. That's what we'll do if we
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  Speaker 8: win the next election. And I can tell you in
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  Speaker 8: those nine age seats right around the country that will
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  Speaker 8: determine who sits in this room in a couple of
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  Speaker 8: weeks time. There are tens of thousands of people in
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  Speaker 8: those seats that have got big heck's debts.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe this even helps account for the Greens poor, showing
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  Speaker 3: young voters thinking instead of Greens that go straight to
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  Speaker 3: labor for a cut in their debt.
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  Speaker 1: Have a listen to this talk back caller.
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  Speaker 9: I was stunned that the Liberals didn't recognize from the
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  Speaker 9: very early part of the campaign when Albanys announced this,
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  Speaker 9: I spoke to twenty people last night, mostly under thirty five.
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  Speaker 9: They all voted Labor, some of them, in fact, most
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  Speaker 9: of them are coalition voters normally, but they all voted Labor.
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  Speaker 9: They all want their seven I had worked out because
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  Speaker 9: you know, I know to ask people these questions. It
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  Speaker 9: was between seven and fourteen thousand. They were going to
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  Speaker 9: say each of them and their parents voted the same
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  Speaker 9: way because they wanted their kids to do better.
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  Speaker 3: Now, sure that's not a scientific sample, but the anecdotal
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  Speaker 3: evidence is strong. This was a winner for Labor and
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  Speaker 3: it sets a terrible precedent.
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  Speaker 1: Especially when you remember that it.
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  Speaker 3: Was labor who brought the HEX system in, deciding this
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  Speaker 3: was the best way to fund further education. Now they
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  Speaker 3: use it as a honeypot to buy votes.
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  Speaker 10: They will actually cut what we have said we will
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  Speaker 10: do as our first piece of legislation, benefiting three million
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  Speaker 10: Australians by cutting their HEX debt by an average of
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  Speaker 10: five and a half thousand dollars. They are literally saying
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  Speaker 10: to three million Australians, if you vote Liberal or National,
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  Speaker 10: we will increase your debt.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was reckless stuff, all right, What will they
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  Speaker 3: do next time? Promised to act more student debt. Peter
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  Speaker 3: Dutton called it out during the campaign.
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  Speaker 11: I don't think that young trades person or somebody who's
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  Speaker 11: just paid off their HEX debt should be responsible for
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  Speaker 11: my HEX debt. And that's that's the policy that has
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  Speaker 11: been long standing.
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  Speaker 3: He called it out, but like everything in the Coalition campaign,
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  Speaker 3: we didn't hear enough about it. This policy is a
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  Speaker 3: bonus for many people, no doubt those people who have
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  Speaker 3: had their debt lowered, but it's very unfair for starters.
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  Speaker 3: The debt doesn't disappear, it just adds sixteen billion dollars
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  Speaker 3: of debt to the broader government tab. In other words,
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  Speaker 3: the people who will repay it now are not the
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  Speaker 3: people who have benefited from the university study, but everyone else.
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  Speaker 3: So low paid workers will pay more tax to pay
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  Speaker 3: the debt of students who go.
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  Speaker 1: On to earn much more money than them in the
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  Speaker 1: long run.
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  Speaker 3: People who worked hard or took on a second job
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  Speaker 3: to pay off their student debt, well, now they'll pay
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  Speaker 3: higher taxes for longer to pay off other people's student debt.
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  Speaker 3: It's cynical pollocking, and it's politicking, and it's reckless policy making.
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  Speaker 1: I guess we're used to all of that by now.
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  Speaker 3: Now to what I was saying last night about pathetic
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  Speaker 3: politicking taking the place of political substance when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to the Coalition and their policies.
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  Speaker 1: As you know, if this nation is not going.
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  Speaker 3: To burn coal or burn huge amounts of gas, if
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  Speaker 3: this nation wants to get to net zero and still
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  Speaker 3: have a functioning economy, still have lights that go on
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  Speaker 3: with affordable and reliable power, well we need nuclear energy.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing is surer.
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  Speaker 3: This is a factor of engineering and economics, not politics.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, the only reason that hasn't happened over the
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  Speaker 3: years is politics.
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  Speaker 1: It's been in the too hard basket.
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  Speaker 3: But now that the Coalition has finally seen the light
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  Speaker 3: and started to put the argument and then lost the
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  Speaker 3: election badly for a vast array of reasons. Well because
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  Speaker 3: of that, there are plenty of weak left leaning liberals
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  Speaker 3: who want to run from New Clear listen to this
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  Speaker 3: on the ABC.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, the.
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  Speaker 12: Election result was devastating. We have lost very good members
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  Speaker 12: of Parliament, we have lost our party leader, we have
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  Speaker 12: lost shadow cabinet ministers. So the message from the community
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  Speaker 12: is very very clear, and that's why I believe that
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  Speaker 12: this nuclear policy has to go.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the first sound of grape shock, they run for
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  Speaker 3: the hills. Forget the Trump effect, Forget the lack of
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  Speaker 3: economic policies, forget the labor giveaways, forget the horrible campaign.
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  Speaker 1: Blame it all on nuclear, the one.
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  Speaker 3: Courageous, necessary, modern and transformative policy that anybod he heard
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  Speaker 3: about during the election campaign. True to form for her
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  Speaker 3: type of liberal Maria Kovacic wouldn't come onto this program.
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  Speaker 1: To discuss the issues. She prefers the ABC, but have
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  Speaker 1: it listen to this for logic.
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  Speaker 12: Previous liberal government we committed to net zero by two
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  Speaker 12: twenty fifty. We need to achieve that, and we need
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  Speaker 12: to find ways to do that expeditiously. And I think
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  Speaker 12: the primary concern people had was they could see that
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  Speaker 12: this wasn't going to deliver any kind of outcome for
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  Speaker 12: at least fifteen or twenty years.
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  Speaker 3: Excuse me, fifteen or twenty years from now, will be
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  Speaker 3: well before twenty fifty, it'll be twenty forty or twenty
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  Speaker 3: forty five.
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  Speaker 1: Just such inane stuff. That's the whole point.
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  Speaker 3: You will never get to net zero, you will never
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  Speaker 3: get near it without nuclear. That's what the International Energy
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  Speaker 3: Agency and a raft of engineers and scientists tell us.
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  Speaker 1: That's why the UK, South.
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  Speaker 3: Korea, France, Finland, the US, China, India, even Indonesia, and
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  Speaker 3: so on and so on. That's why all the world's
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  Speaker 3: leading economies are either embracing or expanding their use of
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  Speaker 3: nuclear Thankfully, as I pointed out last night, some liberals
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  Speaker 3: have both a brain and a spine, including Tim Wilson,
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  Speaker 3: who was who has now defeated the till leftist Zoey
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  Speaker 3: Daniel to reclaim Goldstein in Melbourne. Wilson was asked about
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  Speaker 3: nuclear when he claimed victory today.
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  Speaker 13: I'm not really going to get into a lot of
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  Speaker 13: the policy discussion right now, but the one I will
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  Speaker 13: make some simple observations. When I was last in Parliament,
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  Speaker 13: I talked. I spoke favorably because in my course and
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  Speaker 13: to belief, believe in the role of nuclear power, not
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  Speaker 13: as an end, but as a beginning.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about this in our campaign launch.
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  Speaker 13: Nuclear power is part of building the future industrial base
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  Speaker 13: of our country. If we don't do that, then we
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  Speaker 13: are saying either one we're going back to coal or
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  Speaker 13: we as a nation are going to end industrialized. That
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  Speaker 13: is not a future I am prepared to accept. I
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  Speaker 13: am about building out the future so that the next
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  Speaker 13: generation can lift their eyes one set higher, one angle higher,
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  Speaker 13: and look further into the horizon. And that's why it's
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  Speaker 13: so important to be have honest conversations with the Australian
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  Speaker 13: people to be part of building out that future and
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  Speaker 13: to make the case not just simply put something out
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  Speaker 13: there and see whether it's going to be tested. We
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  Speaker 13: must fight vehemently, passionately with energy, with courage, because it
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  Speaker 13: comes from who we are and what we believe and
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  Speaker 13: the policy we want to take forward to build out
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  Speaker 13: an alternative vision for this nation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well said Tim.
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  Speaker 3: The parliaments are better already for having him back in it.
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  Speaker 3: Nuclear is simply our only option and the coalition must
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  Speaker 3: stick with nuclear.
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  Speaker 1: Refine the policy. Sure, for instance, it'd be great for
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  Speaker 1: it to.
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  Speaker 3: Be privately funded rather than a government project, but nuclear
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  Speaker 3: energy is an absolute necessity for this nation and it's
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  Speaker 3: pointless trying to pretend otherwise.
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  Speaker 1: And if the Liberals stick.
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  Speaker 3: With a coherent nuclear alternative, then every blackout and every
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  Speaker 3: power bill rise will strengthen their arm and bring their
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  Speaker 3: return to government a day closer.
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  Speaker 1: Let's catch up now with One Nation Leader Pauline.
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  Speaker 3: Hanson, who joins us from Queensland. Good to talk to you, Pauline.
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  Speaker 3: I thought we'd start off with the breaking news that
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  Speaker 3: we got out of Melbourne today.
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  Speaker 1: Tom Connell brought it to us.
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  Speaker 3: Let's have a look how Tom Connall shared this news
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  Speaker 3: earlier this afternoon.
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  Speaker 14: What would he need in the remaining absent votes to
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  Speaker 14: be able to win sixty three percent? That is just
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  Speaker 14: far too high in our performance from everything else that
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  Speaker 14: has happened in this election. So we're assuming lots of
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  Speaker 14: positives to ban from here, and he still would need
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  Speaker 14: sixty three percent. So given that I know there's plenty
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  Speaker 14: of vote left, we are now saying a Labour party
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  Speaker 14: will pick up the seed of Melbourne and Adam Bant,
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  Speaker 14: the Green's.
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  Speaker 1: Leader, will lose the seat of Melbourne.
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  Speaker 3: We do you reckon, Pauline. There is a god Adam Bant,
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  Speaker 3: Green's leader could.
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  Speaker 15: Put well Chris just quietly between you and I. I
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  Speaker 15: was getting ready to come on your program when I
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  Speaker 15: heard the news, and I couldn't help it. I did
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  Speaker 15: a dance around the.
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  Speaker 9: House with my bra and nickers.
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  Speaker 15: And I had to have a gin and tonic.
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  Speaker 7: So I am so excited.
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  Speaker 15: That's the best news I've heard.
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  Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I'm waiting for this to turn up on
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  Speaker 1: TikTok or something, and why does it.
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  Speaker 15: I'm alone, I'm home alone. Honestly, Chris. Their policies, you know,
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  Speaker 15: they whanen I dish out the money, we're going to
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  Speaker 15: actually have all the wind turbines.
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  Speaker 16: But they have no.
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  Speaker 15: Qualm about destroying hundreds and thousands of hectors of Christine
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  Speaker 15: Forest in Australia to put up their wind turbines or
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  Speaker 15: covering land with these solar panels. They want to give
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  Speaker 15: the money to all these people handouts. They're not good
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  Speaker 15: economic managers. They run the country into the ground. They're
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  Speaker 15: an Australian. They won't open up the borders. They want
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  Speaker 15: to give more money to foreign aid run all these things.
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  Speaker 15: They're absolutely hopeless. I work with Mom Flora Parliament. I
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  Speaker 15: can't stand what comes out of their mouth. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 15: it's so extreme to the left.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I'm with you that.
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  Speaker 3: You know they want to legalize the hard drugs, but
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  Speaker 3: ban of cigarettes and what else. But the one thing
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  Speaker 3: where I find them morally repugnant is their attitude to
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  Speaker 3: Israel and Jewish Australians. They have been terrible. They're at
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  Speaker 3: fanning the hatred and good riddance to Adam Bant. I
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  Speaker 3: can't wait to see that confirmed by the AEC. While
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about election results, of course, you're waiting to
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  Speaker 3: see whether your daughter gets into the Senate. In Tasmania,
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  Speaker 3: Lee Hanson, they're looking like tipping out potentially Jackie Lamby,
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  Speaker 3: what's your latest mail on that is more likely to
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  Speaker 3: win that seat.
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  Speaker 15: It's very hard to call it this time because we've
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  Speaker 15: got postal votes to come in, and of course if
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  Speaker 15: Libs get over their quota, which I don't think, they'll
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  Speaker 15: get hit the second quota. So therefore it's going to
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  Speaker 15: go to the preferences. So Libs gave Libs and National
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  Speaker 15: Party in Tasmania gave one nation their second preference. So Chris,
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  Speaker 15: it's really down with Wire plus also a couple of
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  Speaker 15: other parties Libertarians plus the shooters gave one nation their
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  Speaker 15: second preference. We'll see where we get get it with
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  Speaker 15: the other one's trumpet of patriots where people put their preferences.
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  Speaker 15: It's all going to come down to preferences. So I'm
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  Speaker 15: not going to call it. I couldn't call it possibly,
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  Speaker 15: but anyway, all the seats, even in Western Australia, in
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  Speaker 15: New South Wales. I think that we've still got a
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  Speaker 15: chance see that possibly pick up a Senate seat, but
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  Speaker 15: it's going to take two to three weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it takes a while dishing out all those preferences
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  Speaker 3: in the Senate count. Here is Lee Hanson earlier during
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  Speaker 3: the campaign, speaking to Andrew Bolt.
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  Speaker 16: I feel I don't have a choice anymore. I need
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  Speaker 16: to stand up.
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  Speaker 15: I need to do this for my children and our
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  Speaker 15: children's future, because I just.
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  Speaker 4: I don't see a successful future for them and it
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  Speaker 4: has me greatly concerned.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll have to.
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  Speaker 3: Wait a number of weeks to see whether or not
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  Speaker 3: we get that mother daughter team in the Senate. But
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: here's what Jackie Lamby said about this threat from One
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  Speaker 3: Nation on election night coverage.
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  Speaker 17: Has it been one in the harder campaigns for you
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  Speaker 17: being up against Lee Hanson.
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  Speaker 16: No, I haven't even looked at Pauline. I just do
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  Speaker 16: the job down here. I don't put her as a distraction.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so she's ignoring you, Pauline and One Nation,
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  Speaker 3: and I suppose Lee by extension as well. What's your
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  Speaker 3: assessment of Jackie Lamby? I mean, obviously you want your
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  Speaker 3: own candidate who happens to be your own daughter, to
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  Speaker 3: win that seat. But has Jackie Lamby been useful in
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  Speaker 3: the Senate? Do you what she's been doing?
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  Speaker 15: No, I don't about eighty percent of the time. She
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  Speaker 15: votes with the Greens mainly or the Labor Party. She
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  Speaker 15: didn't have it. She had no idea about the ABCC
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  Speaker 15: bill that we passed. And actually she said to me
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  Speaker 15: after Pulm start again, she said, you're right not to
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  Speaker 15: support the ABCC bill. That's austrained building construction. She said,
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  Speaker 15: because I hope Labor don't get rid of it, which
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  Speaker 15: they did. So she doesn't have any idea. She doesn't
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  Speaker 15: really look into the policies. She's been guided by the
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  Speaker 15: staff in her office. You know, Lee only had a
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  Speaker 15: four week campaign. That all she had. Jackie Lamy's been
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  Speaker 15: in there since twenty thirteen, So if Lee had to
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  Speaker 15: run more of a campaign, Jackie had no booths, she
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  Speaker 15: had no low house candidates to stand, She did no
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  Speaker 15: work down there. People are so disgruntled with her, and
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  Speaker 15: she's against the salmon industry. She's thrown at the bath
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  Speaker 15: you know, the baby of the bath water without you know,
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  Speaker 15: going to consulting. Fine, what can we do to say
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  Speaker 15: five thousand workers to do with the salmon industry?
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  Speaker 3: We will see. There's no good campaigning. Now the votes
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  Speaker 3: have been cast, we await the count. Thanks for joining us, Pauline,
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Sorry to interrupt your dancing and your
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  Speaker 3: gin and tonic. Back again, Pauline Hanson. They are alive
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: from the home in Queensland and she's apparently been dancing
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: around the house gin and tonic in hand, celebrating the
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: demise of Adam Band.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: How about that.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Let's cross now to the Vatican, where our reporter Stash
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Butler is on standby, waiting for the gathering of the
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: cardinals the conclave, which begins. Stash, I think we're only
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: half an hour or so away from the actual startup.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Is walk us through what we're expecting to see over
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: the next hours.
• 19:51
  Speaker 18: That's right, Chris, So in just as you said, just
• 19:53
  Speaker 18: under an hour or so, cardinals will begin attending a
• 19:57
  Speaker 18: mass in Saint Peter's Basilica behind me. Last few minutes
• 20:00
  Speaker 18: or so, we've seen some bishops and priests walking in.
• 20:03
  Speaker 18: This mass is actually open to the public, so we've
• 20:06
  Speaker 18: also seen public lining up to be part of it.
• 20:09
  Speaker 18: A mass going by the name of pro Eli gender
• 20:11
  Speaker 18: Romano Pontifice that's Latin for the election of the Roman Pontiff.
• 20:16
  Speaker 18: Special Mass for the upcoming election of the Pope, during
• 20:20
  Speaker 18: which will be presided over by Cardinal Givanni Batista Ray.
• 20:24
  Speaker 18: He's the same cardinal, same church cardinal that delivered the
• 20:27
  Speaker 18: homily at Francis's funeral. After that's done, you'll take about
• 20:31
  Speaker 18: two hours or so in the afternoon, the cardinals, one
• 20:36
  Speaker 18: hundred and thirty three of them, the cardinals under the
• 20:38
  Speaker 18: age of eighty who are cardinal electors, will move in
• 20:42
  Speaker 18: a solemn procession into the Sistine Chapel underneath the frescoes
• 20:47
  Speaker 18: of Michelangelo, to take a solemn vow to leak no
• 20:52
  Speaker 18: information about this conclave to the outside world. When that's done,
• 20:58
  Speaker 18: everyone who is unnecessary will be ordered out with the
• 21:00
  Speaker 18: Latin phrase extra omnes.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: A prayer will be given.
• 21:04
  Speaker 18: The a senior cardinal will ask if everyone is ready
• 21:08
  Speaker 18: to begin voting, and then voting will begin today. Chris,
• 21:10
  Speaker 18: We're only expecting one vote in the afternoon. We're not
• 21:13
  Speaker 18: expecting to see a two thirds majority from that single vote,
• 21:18
  Speaker 18: so it's expected that we're going to see black smoke
• 21:21
  Speaker 18: emerging from the chimney of the Sistine Chapel, the sign
• 21:24
  Speaker 18: that there's been an inconclusive vote. But for the next
• 21:27
  Speaker 18: few days we're going to see up to four votes
• 21:29
  Speaker 18: a day, hoping to produce that magic two thirds majority,
• 21:33
  Speaker 18: upon which white smoke will pour out, the bells of
• 21:35
  Speaker 18: s Peters will ring, and the new pote will be
• 21:38
  Speaker 18: announced from that central balcony just over my shoulder there,
• 21:41
  Speaker 18: from some Peters Pasilica.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: It's just extraordinary procedure, extraordinary history.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: You're going to see unfold there.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Obviously, this mass is going to be very elaborate, to
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: start with a two hour mass, as you say, and
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: then the procession of the cardinals in this scarlet gowns. Now,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: what happens inside the system is always such a mystery.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: That's what adds to the suspense.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: But in days gone by, of course, cardinals were locked
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: there permanently until they came out with the decision. But
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: nowadays they put in a long day, don't they, And
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: then they're sequested away and undertake not to speak to
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: anybody and spend the night somewhere else before coming back
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: for the following day, and this could go on for
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: quite a number of days, no doubt.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 22:26
  Speaker 18: So I mean, as you pointed out, that there was
• 22:28
  Speaker 18: a point in time when they would actually have to
• 22:30
  Speaker 18: live inside the Sistine Chapel. Now they have the luxury
• 22:33
  Speaker 18: of living in Casa Santa Marta just over to the
• 22:35
  Speaker 18: left of the Basilica as you're looking at it. They
• 22:38
  Speaker 18: will be busted to and from not allowed any contact
• 22:42
  Speaker 18: with anyone during that journey. It's worth pointing out also
• 22:45
  Speaker 18: the staff of the Vatican who'll be looking after them
• 22:47
  Speaker 18: have also been sworn to secrecy about what goes on.
• 22:51
  Speaker 18: We don't know, as you said, how long this is
• 22:53
  Speaker 18: going to take. The average that's been kind of calculated
• 22:56
  Speaker 18: the last ten conclaves is about three days. The last
• 23:00
  Speaker 18: two that produced Pope Benedict and Pope Francis were only
• 23:03
  Speaker 18: two days, so we could see a pope by Friday
• 23:06
  Speaker 18: here in Rome.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Now just finally, look, it's pointless really speculating what you know.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: The final choice could be somebody nobody's.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Ever heard of really out of that conclover, But.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Is there a sense that we'll go back to seeing
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: an Italian pope. It's been a relatively modern and unusual
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: trait to have popes that have not been Italian. With
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: a Polish pope obviously and an Argentine pope just de ceased,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: is there a sense we'll go back to an Italian
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: pope or are we looking again elsewhere?
• 23:38
  Speaker 18: I mean, that's certainly something that's been said that it's
• 23:41
  Speaker 18: time to kind of return to Italian pope. I think
• 23:43
  Speaker 18: it was four hundred years of Italian popes or so
• 23:45
  Speaker 18: before nineteen seventy eight when Pope John Paul the Second was,
• 23:49
  Speaker 18: you know, raised as the home of the Roman pontiff.
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: You're right.
• 23:53
  Speaker 18: In that time we've had a German and Argentine Pietro
• 23:56
  Speaker 18: pail in the Vatican Secretary of State, an Italian who's
• 24:00
  Speaker 18: seen as perhaps the front runner. He's on all of
• 24:03
  Speaker 18: the lists of people's guesses at who it might be.
• 24:05
  Speaker 18: He's seen as someone a kind of moderate voice, as
• 24:08
  Speaker 18: steady hand, someone who's not necessarily a kind of very
• 24:11
  Speaker 18: charismatic speaker, but nonetheless someone who knows how to handle
• 24:14
  Speaker 18: delicate diplomatic situations and manage overall the bureaucracy of the church.
• 24:21
  Speaker 18: But there are also candidates from further afield. We could
• 24:23
  Speaker 18: see the first Asian pope, sorry, Louis Antonio Taglay, the
• 24:28
  Speaker 18: former Archbishop of Manila, seen as a kind of progressive
• 24:31
  Speaker 18: continuation of Francis vision, but at the same time also
• 24:35
  Speaker 18: perhaps the first African pope in living memory, or rather
• 24:39
  Speaker 18: in modern history, I should say, Peter Turkson have Ghana
• 24:42
  Speaker 18: seen as one of those. So I mean, really a
• 24:44
  Speaker 18: huge range of possibilities, but certainly the wish for an
• 24:47
  Speaker 18: Italian to return is out there.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Great stuff. Steesh.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I've got to say, I'm very envious of you. It's
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: a brilliant place to be at the best of times.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: But what you're going to say overcoming days is going
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: to be quite extraordinary.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Good luck to you and.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us. That Sky News report of their
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Stash Butler in the Vatican will be extraordinary. The Italians
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: will be gathered and pilgrims from all around the world
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: will be gathering there day after day, hour after hour,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: hoping for that white smoke, and we'll bring it all
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: to you live here on Sky News.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Don't miss a beat overcoming days. Now we're going to
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: get to a break. On the other side, I'm going.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: To catch up with the former New South Wales Policemanister
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: David Elliott get his take on the coalition's woes federally,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: but I'll also get his thoughts on the new South
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Wales Police Commissioner because she has resigned. Let's get back
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: to federal politics and the fallout from the election and
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Peter Dutton returned to Canberra today. He returned on a
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: commercial flight, presumably to go back to his office and
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: pack it up. On his last trips to Canberra, journalists
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: caught up with him at the airport.
• 25:50
  Speaker 19: Have a look, let's feel good knowing you're returning to Canberra,
• 25:55
  Speaker 19: but you don't have to endure another cold winter.
• 25:59
  Speaker 20: Well' very appreciative for the support and all the good
• 26:01
  Speaker 20: wishes and I'm very grateful for that.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: So thank you.
• 26:05
  Speaker 15: Who would you like to be the next leader of politics.
• 26:09
  Speaker 20: I've spoken to my colleagues and the Liberal Party rebuilds
• 26:13
  Speaker 20: from here and that's as it should Be's the best
• 26:15
  Speaker 20: model I've seen is where leader's former make a graceful
• 26:21
  Speaker 20: exit from politics and maintain their graceful silence.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good on him.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's got to clear out his desk, get back
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: to Coinsland, get on with the next phase of his
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: life and we wish him all the best. Let's continue
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: to fall out from the federal election and where to
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: for the coalition. They've got a hell of a challenge
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: ahead of them. And my next guest has she had
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: a few thoughts in the media. He is the former
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: New South Wales Police Minister, David Elliott, and he joins
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: me on the desk.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, David. I'll come to the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: New South Wales.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Police Commissioner in a moment, because that's been a massive
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: story today. But when it comes to the federal coalition,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: you make the point that's obvious. I don't think enough
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: commentators will certainly journalists understand this really, and that is
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: that the right of center voters are not ideological, they're
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: not sort of loyal, they're pragmatic, and so they don't
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: have this sort of loyal to the Liberal Party. If
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: they don't really think that the Liberals are going to
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: do the right thing by them, they're very happy to
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: just to part their vote elsewhere.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: Well, that's right, Chris.
• 27:15
  Speaker 21: I mean, I've been a member of the party for
• 27:17
  Speaker 21: forty years and I can tell you there is nobody
• 27:19
  Speaker 21: more ruthless. There is nobody more disappointed. There is nobody
• 27:23
  Speaker 21: that will attack the Liberal Party more than a traditional
• 27:25
  Speaker 21: Liberal voter because that's their mindset. Their mindset is we
• 27:29
  Speaker 21: are the party for excellence, we are the party for aspiration,
• 27:33
  Speaker 21: and if you're not going to reflect that conservative management style,
• 27:39
  Speaker 21: well then we'll punish you until you do.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I was wondering the other fact that I've talked to
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: a few people about is whether because according to the polls,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: at least, the swing against the Libs sort of came
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: late because they had been tracking fairly well, Labor was
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: tracking up. But do you think it got to the
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: stage where a lot of voters could see that Labor
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: were going to remain in government and it was better
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: to vote for them and make sure they had a
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: majority than end up with a Labor Greens minority government.
• 28:05
  Speaker 21: I think the greatest fear for most Australians was that
• 28:09
  Speaker 21: the Greens would have the balance of power. There's no
• 28:11
  Speaker 21: doubt about that. And I think with that in mind,
• 28:14
  Speaker 21: and because they'd seen in living memory minority governments and
• 28:20
  Speaker 21: how dysfunctional they are, I think there was a very
• 28:23
  Speaker 21: much there was very much a case of well, listen,
• 28:25
  Speaker 21: if Albo is going to win, we better make sure
• 28:27
  Speaker 21: that he can win and govern properly, because I mean,
• 28:30
  Speaker 21: as a liberal, I wanted it to be a minority
• 28:33
  Speaker 21: labor government which would go to pastry and in two
• 28:37
  Speaker 21: years time the parliament would dissolve and would get a
• 28:40
  Speaker 21: ten year majority. As somebody that's looking at his superannuation
• 28:44
  Speaker 21: fund every morning, I wanted it to be a majority
• 28:47
  Speaker 21: government so that Albo didn't have to rely on silly
• 28:50
  Speaker 21: little children when he needed to get.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Legislat doubt it's better for the country.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Now, look, there's lots of mistakes from the coalition, so
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: we know it was a poor campaign. We know they're
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: economic policies weren't well thought through. But I've got to
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: get your thoughts on the Trump effect. I think that
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: was massive and also the labor policy I've highlighted a
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: lot as a direct electoral bribe, and that is the
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: forgiveness of twenty percent of Hex's debts.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Give us your thoughts on those.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Two, I think.
• 29:16
  Speaker 21: I mean, I think HEXT was in the top ten.
• 29:19
  Speaker 21: I don't think it was in the top three.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I think the.
• 29:20
  Speaker 21: Top issue was, of course our ability to market Peter Dutton,
• 29:25
  Speaker 21: who's a personal friend of mine. But let's face it,
• 29:28
  Speaker 21: some politicians just can't be sold. I think the Trump
• 29:31
  Speaker 21: effect was good three months ago, but a lot of
• 29:35
  Speaker 21: Australians found out that he wasn't exactly the friend that
• 29:38
  Speaker 21: we thought he would be, particularly conservatives who thought that
• 29:41
  Speaker 21: he was going to be somebody that would be looking
• 29:44
  Speaker 21: out for us. And of course I think that the instability,
• 29:48
  Speaker 21: the threat of instability with those polls saying that there
• 29:50
  Speaker 21: was going to be a minority government, pushed a lot
• 29:53
  Speaker 21: of people into the labor camp thinking that that was
• 29:55
  Speaker 21: going to be their best chance of seeing a government
• 29:59
  Speaker 21: that could manage the economy, manage the government efficiently.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Alright, There's been big news in New South Wales today
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: with the Police Commissioner Karen Webb announcing that she's resigning.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: She's had a controversial tenure, a lot of trouble when
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: it comes to a public persona and dealing with the
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: public through the media. Heres Skye uses a Julia Bradley summarizing.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Some of that.
• 30:22
  Speaker 19: Her leadership was called into question when ninety five year
• 30:25
  Speaker 19: old great grandmother Claire Nowland was taser by serving police
• 30:29
  Speaker 19: officer at her Couma nursing home. The Forbes's initial press
• 30:33
  Speaker 19: release issued hours after missus Nowland was hospitalized, made no
• 30:37
  Speaker 19: mention of a taser. Web took three days to front
• 30:41
  Speaker 19: the media, and when she did, she admitted she had
• 30:44
  Speaker 19: not watched the bodycam footage of the incident. That slow
• 30:47
  Speaker 19: response was replicated after Sydney couple Jessebaird and Luke Davies
• 30:52
  Speaker 19: were allegedly murdered by a police officer.
• 30:55
  Speaker 16: Her response, there will always be does that hate? Isn't
• 30:59
  Speaker 16: that what Taylor says?
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Now, Karen Remembers has announced that she's resigning from the
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: commissioner's position and retiring as a former police minister. You'll
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: know all the key people involved in this. Is it
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: a good move for Karen Webb to resign?
• 31:14
  Speaker 21: I don't think it's a good move for any police
• 31:16
  Speaker 21: commissioner to leave before the tenures up.
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: She was bullied out of that job.
• 31:19
  Speaker 21: But let me tell you somebody who has worked in
• 31:22
  Speaker 21: the has been a soldier, who's been in the private sector,
• 31:24
  Speaker 21: has been in politics. There is no more brutal job
• 31:27
  Speaker 21: in Australia than the new South Wales Police Commissioner. Everybody
• 31:30
  Speaker 21: says his opposition leaders the toughest job.
• 31:31
  Speaker 22: No.
• 31:31
  Speaker 21: The new South Wales Police commissioner, the one who I
• 31:33
  Speaker 21: served side by side with Mick Fuller. The stuff that
• 31:36
  Speaker 21: he had to put up with would make mister t.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Cry just quickly because nearly out of time you said
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: she's bullied out of the job, bullied by whom and
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: in what way?
• 31:45
  Speaker 21: I think she was bullied by her own peers out
• 31:47
  Speaker 21: of the job. And I think she probably surrounded herself
• 31:50
  Speaker 21: with people that didn't give her the support that she
• 31:52
  Speaker 21: needed to. She probably didn't bring in the people that
• 31:55
  Speaker 21: she should have brought in. And she had my full support,
• 31:58
  Speaker 21: as she did with the ESME Catley. I know she
• 32:01
  Speaker 21: had the premiers full support, but it is it's not
• 32:05
  Speaker 21: one of those jobs that you can take without expecting
• 32:08
  Speaker 21: to be brutally dealt with every day of the week.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, David, really appreciate your insights, David Elliott.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: They're the former New South Wales Police Minister. We've got
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: to get to a break. On the other side, we're
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: going to talk about the Indian and Pakistani fighter jets
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: and missiles have been exploding across the line of control
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: as these nuclear powers are skirmishing yet again, what next look.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: There have been some terrible terrorist attacks against Indians in
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Kashmir in recent weeks, and as a result, last night
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: we saw India missiles and send fighter jets into Pakistani
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: controlled territory across the line of control overnight and Pakistan's also.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Hit back at this. Here's the latest on the situation
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: from NBC News.
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: That is one of three cities in Pakistan struck by
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: two dozen missiles launched by India, according to Pakistan's military,
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: India describing them as strikes on terrorist camp now. Pakistan
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: says the strikes killed at least eight people, including at
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: least two kids, and injured thirty five people. Pakistan's air
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: force says they have already responded by shooting down three
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: Indian jets.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in Malcolm Divis, who's senior analysts with the
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Australian Strategic Policy Institute.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Joining us live from Canberra. Thanks for joining us, Malcolm.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: The line of control in Kashmir, this is a flashpoint,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: of course, has been for.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Many, many decades.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Just how worrying though is this clash saying the militaries
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: involved two nuclear powers, of course.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: And I think that any time you have a situation
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: like this where India has retaliated for a terrorist attack
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: that seems to have been had packed some sort of
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: Pakistan involvement.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: You have the potential for an escalatory cycle.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: It's no other words, India has attacked Pakistan today in
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: terms of hitting those terrorist sites in Pakistan controlled Kashmir
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: as well as Pakistan itself. The Pakistani government in Islamabad
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: will now be under tremendous pressure to retaliate, and so
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: therefore I think you could see that retaliation happening in
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: the next twenty four thirty six hours and then India
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: would then be under pressure to respond somehow. So there
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: is that risk of an escalatory cycle that intensifies the
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: tensions and increases the risks.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Just reacquainting myself with the terrain today, just when you
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: look at where all this is unfolding, where the line
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: of controlled and this contentious territory is. It's so close
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: to the Pakistani capital Islamabad, which I think just increases
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: the tension and the risk of mistakes here.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: And you know, when you look at how Pakistan sees
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: its defense.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Doctrine, it doesn't.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: Have the ability really to defend Pakistani territory in depth.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: And that's why it's tended to rely heavily on tactical
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: nuclear weapons for defending Pakistan in the event of a
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: major Indian attack into Pakistan. We're not talking about that
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: sort of scenario here where you have the Indian army
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: invading Pakistan, but we are talking about the prospect of
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: tet for tat retaliation between both sides that could generate
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: increasing tensions. So it is a serious situation, and I
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: would hope that both India and Pakistan take a step
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: back from the brink and see the wisdom of de
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: escalating things.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump was asked about this today. Here's what he
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: had to say.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: It's a shame.
• 35:46
  Speaker 23: We just heard about it, just as we were walking
• 35:48
  Speaker 23: in the doors of the Oval, just heard about it.
• 35:52
  Speaker 23: I guess people knew something was going to happen based
• 35:54
  Speaker 23: on a little bit of the past. They've been fighting
• 35:57
  Speaker 23: for a long time. You know, they've been fighting for
• 36:00
  Speaker 23: many many decades and censuries. Actually, if you really think
• 36:04
  Speaker 23: about it, No, I just hope it ends very quickly.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, to what extent can other nations and international pressure
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: keep Pakistan and India restrained in this situation? Or is
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: it something they really just settle themselves and further to that,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: can non state actors exploit this?
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Can there be terrorist groups that deliberately inflamed tensions by
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: launching attacks?
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: Now?
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: Look, I think certainly you will see the US, you
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: will see China. Potentially some of the European partners of
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: India engage diplomatically to try and de escalate things, to
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: try and create some sort of agreement that allows an
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: off ramp for both sides to de escalate. So that's
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: almost certain to happen. In terms of your point about
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: non state actors, I think that's a possibility that India
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: would need to be on guard for there are many
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: actors that are involved in the Kashmir Jamu dispute that
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: might see this as an opportune time to strike.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: But it's not certain that would happen.
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: And I think that what everyone will be focusing on
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: is making sure that both India and Pakistan recognize the
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: value of de escalation and avoiding this escalatory cycle that
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: could then lead to extreme scenarios where maybe nuclear weapons
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: come into play.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Indeed, now briefly, we are nearly out of time. But
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: while I've got you to get your thought got to
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: get your.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Thoughts on Gigiping turning up in Moscow a summit with
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Vladimir Putin in coming days.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: The eyes of the world will be on this.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Australia, among others, ought to be deeply concerned about this.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: New alliance, if you want to call it that.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: Look what you are seeing emerge, and I think very
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: clearly is present is an axis of authoritarian states comprising China, Russia,
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Iran and North Korea, all working together, all coordinating against
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: the West. So actions that Russia is taking against NATO
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: in the form of hybrid warfare are being exploed by
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: China and so on and so forth. And you have now,
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: obviously the Victory Day celebrations in Moscow to celebrate the
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: ending of the war on the Western front.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: End the Second World War.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: Gears in town for that, but he's also meeting with
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: Putin to strengthen that access of authoritarian states. And what
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: we are facing is a very serious global challenge from
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Moscow and Beijing in particular, that is directed against democracy
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: as a system of governance and against our Western liberal values.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: And so this is one aspect of a global confrontation
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: between democracy on the one hand and authoritarianism on the other.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: And Australia should be worried about this as well.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well expressed Malcolm. Thanks so much for joining us.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Malcolm Davis here, who's the senior analyst at to ASPY
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: in Canberra.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: A great worry is it.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: It's a dangerous world and we're a country still running
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: around with diesel submarines and we don't reckon we're up
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: to running nuclear power.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Nothing to be worried about it.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Coming up next to Liz Storer and Joe Hildebram, we'll
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: talk about Adam ban losing his seat. We are wrangling
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: this week, of course with Liz Sturer.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: She's here late debate co host. She's on my right,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: she's shifted to She's always been on my right, don't
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: worry about that, but she normally sits there.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Joe Hildeman, you've always been on my left.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I'm the centsious guy.
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: Hey.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: It's kind of uncanny.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Right as the conclave gathers at the Vatican, we find
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: out that there is a god.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Adam bent has lost his seat.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: What's your reactions to Jesus.
• 39:30
  Speaker 24: This is the greatest election result all of him for
• 39:33
  Speaker 24: lab This is we've got rid of all the Greens,
• 39:36
  Speaker 24: pretty much. Ryan in Brisbane is still sort of you
• 39:39
  Speaker 24: know between the in the balance. Zoe Daniel gone in Goldstein,
• 39:44
  Speaker 24: like Monique Ryan is.
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: Going to go. That samp is closing.
• 39:47
  Speaker 24: From about one thousand just last night to three hundred
• 39:51
  Speaker 24: and sixty five.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: And now Adam Bant has lost his seat in Melbourne.
• 39:54
  Speaker 24: He has held this since twenty ten, won with liberal preferences.
• 39:57
  Speaker 24: I might add, but you know, let's let buy god
• 40:01
  Speaker 24: and this is I mean a friend of mine, well.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: That labor one now with liberal preference.
• 40:07
  Speaker 24: Thank you very much. It's nice that we're all friends again.
• 40:10
  Speaker 24: But this is just a phenomenal result. It represents the
• 40:14
  Speaker 24: electoral wipeout of the Greens in the lower House. I mean,
• 40:17
  Speaker 24: pity the poor member for Ryan if it happens to
• 40:20
  Speaker 24: be agreed, Like what do I do now.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: That what's so good about this?
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Because Zoe Daniel, Manique Ryan, they are the hardest left
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: of the Tills. So it's really been a backlash against
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: these hard left extremists in Melbourne one hundred percent.
• 40:34
  Speaker 25: And we were all watching what was going to happen
• 40:36
  Speaker 25: to the Tills. We all discuss the fact that this
• 40:38
  Speaker 25: whole hole we're going to be so different. We're going
• 40:40
  Speaker 25: to be transparent. We're just going to be this whole
• 40:43
  Speaker 25: other class of politician. You can only pull that trick once.
• 40:47
  Speaker 25: It's a one trick pony, and the results speak for themselves.
• 40:51
  Speaker 25: People weren't falling for it a second time round. Well,
• 40:54
  Speaker 25: people had shown over.
• 40:55
  Speaker 16: The course of the last.
• 40:57
  Speaker 25: Term what they actually stood for and just weren't going
• 41:00
  Speaker 25: to give him a second gong.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Well, Paul Kenning was great at creating word images for
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: us to explain the economy on his East political.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Point of view.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: I'm about to show you what Pauline Hanson told me
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: earlier this hour, and there's a word image here about
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: how she celebrated when she found out what had happened
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: to Adam Band.
• 41:19
  Speaker 15: Have a look just quietly between you and I. I
• 41:23
  Speaker 15: was getting ready to come on your program when I
• 41:25
  Speaker 15: heard the news, and I couldn't help it. I did
• 41:27
  Speaker 15: a dance around the house my bra and Nickers, and
• 41:29
  Speaker 15: I had to have a Gin and tonic.
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: So I am so excited.
• 41:34
  Speaker 15: That's the best news I've heard that.
• 41:39
  Speaker 17: A or without a Gin and tonic, bra and Nickers
• 41:43
  Speaker 17: and a gin and tonicle, A lot of people wore them.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: This is something I never would have thought i'd hear
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: directly from Pauline Hansen when I was standing reporting outside
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: the furious protesters, because she did this week thirty years ago.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Amazing stuff. It is amazing stuff.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Now, another Green who lost his seat isn't very happy
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: about so the way he was treated in Parliament.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Have a listened to this, I'll be honest.
• 42:13
  Speaker 26: One of the things I'm quite happy about at the
• 42:14
  Speaker 26: moment is I don't have to spend more time in
• 42:16
  Speaker 26: the House of Representatives because like, basically every time I
• 42:19
  Speaker 26: stood up, I got screamed and yelled at. Like in
• 42:22
  Speaker 26: terms of a workplace, it was bloody, awful and frankly
• 42:26
  Speaker 26: a lot of the times miserable.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Oh come on, Max Harden, Hey, well, I mean, this
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: is a party that blocked Labor's housing policy for months
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: and months and months and months and months.
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: This is a housing spokesman who.
• 42:38
  Speaker 24: I believe actually was opposing more housing being developed in
• 42:42
  Speaker 24: his own electra at the same time as complaining that
• 42:44
  Speaker 24: it wasn't enough housing and so yes, you are going
• 42:47
  Speaker 24: to copy it. And I'm told by Labor sources that
• 42:52
  Speaker 24: the housing issue was the number one most toxic thing
• 42:55
  Speaker 24: about the Greens, even over and above their anti semitism,
• 42:58
  Speaker 24: So that really bit into the elector. And that's why
• 43:01
  Speaker 24: you saw, if anything, more convincing result in Griffith than
• 43:05
  Speaker 24: in Brisbane, which Labor was very sure of winning.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: So that's politics, Bud.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Isn't this a g isn't this a gen Z thing?
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: To complain that in politics there were opponents yelling you
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: across the chamber.
• 43:19
  Speaker 25: Well, we've heard plenty of women bring up this same complaint,
• 43:22
  Speaker 25: and I think there's snowflakes as well. The bottom line is,
• 43:25
  Speaker 25: don't get into politics if you can't be yelled at
• 43:29
  Speaker 25: and abused to some extent, because that is the name
• 43:32
  Speaker 25: of the game. People don't go to Parliament to hold
• 43:34
  Speaker 25: hands and sing kumbayah.
• 43:36
  Speaker 16: They are political opponents.
• 43:38
  Speaker 25: There is a lot of argibarji and whenever one of
• 43:40
  Speaker 25: these stories comes out, because he also shared about how
• 43:43
  Speaker 25: he felt like throwing up, or I think he did
• 43:45
  Speaker 25: throw up on one occasion when some Labor guys had
• 43:49
  Speaker 25: been screaming at him in the chamber and that really
• 43:52
  Speaker 25: affected him. At the end of the day, just don't
• 43:54
  Speaker 25: get involved. Just don't get involved. You just going to
• 43:57
  Speaker 25: end up embarrassing yourself. And doing the same as him,
• 44:01
  Speaker 25: and many many tears have been shared, and I'm always
• 44:04
  Speaker 25: just like you're in the wrong job.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Maybe next week, instead of having the Wednesday wrangle, we're
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: gonna have the Wednesday ring out and we can all
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: just share our stories when life was tough for us
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: and when our job was tough. One bloke who's really
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: whether more attacks than most in politics is the former
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Opposition leader Peter Dutton. Here he is strolling through Canberra's
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: airport today, obviously a sad and forlorn figure, but he
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: did it with dignity. Obviously, he's got to go back
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: to Canberra to unpack his office and clear up a
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: few things. That's pretty much all he's got to do.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: And he didn't want to buy into any debates Joe. Obviously,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: just dignified silence is what he's after at the moment.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:43
  Speaker 24: I think obviously his concession speech was incredibly gracious. I
• 44:47
  Speaker 24: really feel for Peter Dutton. I think he's a decent bloke.
• 44:50
  Speaker 24: I don't think that he is the monster or the
• 44:52
  Speaker 24: bully the sections have met, the media and politics have
• 44:56
  Speaker 24: tried to make him out to be. I think he
• 44:58
  Speaker 24: was led on a merry dance by some people who
• 45:01
  Speaker 24: kept telling him to go harder and you know, be
• 45:03
  Speaker 24: stronger and harder and more conservative on this. And we
• 45:07
  Speaker 24: now know from all the research and the post mortem
• 45:10
  Speaker 24: will show it again that these positions actually really hurt him.
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: With the electorate. So yeah, it's all over petted.
• 45:16
  Speaker 24: If anything, though, I think it is more merciful that
• 45:18
  Speaker 24: he doesn't have to sit around a yeah yeah for
• 45:20
  Speaker 24: another three is having it all climbed over.
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: So I wish him all the best.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they got to try and make use of him
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: somehow unofficially in the party. But off he goes and
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: does something else. I think just as much as being
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: encouraged to sort of toughen up on a few issues.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: When you read about the advice he was getting to understandably,
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: you've got to freshen up.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: You've got to be personal. You've got to be light.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: You know it's impossible, you know, you have to be
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: you have to be applausible, you have to be authored.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Be likable.
• 45:49
  Speaker 16: Now the very word. That's what I say all the time.
• 45:52
  Speaker 25: So the poor guy was being told, we've got to
• 45:54
  Speaker 25: soften your image, got to soften your image. Then you
• 45:56
  Speaker 25: had parts of the base being like, no, you need
• 45:58
  Speaker 25: to go harder, you need to be more a Trumpian all.
• 46:01
  Speaker 25: You make so many mistakes when you just stop being yourself.
• 46:05
  Speaker 25: There has to be a level of you know what,
• 46:07
  Speaker 25: I'm trying everything out the door, all the bits and
• 46:10
  Speaker 25: pieces of advice, and I'm simply going to be authentic.
• 46:13
  Speaker 16: That way, people won't.
• 46:14
  Speaker 25: Be watching me and thinking this guy's not legit.
• 46:18
  Speaker 16: He was trying to be two things to too many people.
• 46:20
  Speaker 25: And you know what they say, once you try to
• 46:22
  Speaker 25: have a message for everyone, you end up having a
• 46:24
  Speaker 25: message for no one.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Now I want to leave Australian politics.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Will keep on this for days and weeks to come,
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: no doubt, but I want to duck to the US,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: and I want to show you a little video that's
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: been put out by the former Prime minister now, of course,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: our ambassador to Washington, Kevin Rudd. And this video goes
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: for a while. I'll just show you a clip of it,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: but it's quite incredible. It's well produced, it's probably smart
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: from Australia's point of view, but it's basically Kevin Rudd.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Telling America, I E.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump, don't worry, We're all in on America, mate.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: We're doing all we can to help you.
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: Have a look.
• 46:55
  Speaker 22: So, whether it's Australian companies creating jobs and innovation, Australian
• 47:00
  Speaker 22: capital supercharging US businesses, or our steadfast commitment to a
• 47:05
  Speaker 22: safe and secure Indo Pacific, we in Australia are investing big.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: In America and we're just beginning.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how about an Australian investment creating American jobs.
• 47:18
  Speaker 24: So basically, dear Donald Trump will do whatever you want.
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: But look, it is absolutely true.
• 47:23
  Speaker 24: I mean, I know you were talking before about this
• 47:25
  Speaker 24: sort of you know, new sort of access of authoritarian
• 47:28
  Speaker 24: regimes that is absolutely genuinely terrifying. I don't want to
• 47:31
  Speaker 24: fear among them, but it is genuinely scary. And unless
• 47:34
  Speaker 24: we have America as a counterweight to that, the United
• 47:36
  Speaker 24: States as the leader of the free world and acting
• 47:39
  Speaker 24: in concert with its fellow allies, then we could be
• 47:43
  Speaker 24: in a whole lot of trouble. So we need to
• 47:44
  Speaker 24: make sure we stay on board with America. Trump's pretty crazy,
• 47:47
  Speaker 24: but you know he's better than the other lights, so
• 47:50
  Speaker 24: we better stay sweet.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Just quickly before I get a word from you, Liz,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: to wrap up, I'll show you that cryogenics does work
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: because Joe Biden's given his first in you.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Have a look. Look God, he's got to say.
• 48:00
  Speaker 27: The way we talk about now that well, it's just
• 48:05
  Speaker 27: the Gulf of America. Maybe we're going to have to
• 48:08
  Speaker 27: take back Panama, Maybe we need to acquire Greenland, maybe
• 48:13
  Speaker 27: Canada should be if what the hell's going on here?
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well Biden's having trouble working it out.
• 48:20
  Speaker 25: Well Trump, it still doesn't pass up the opportunity every
• 48:24
  Speaker 25: time he gets it to.
• 48:25
  Speaker 16: Be like, look at everything I've done.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Biden couldn't even walk up a flight of stair.
• 48:29
  Speaker 25: Look what I've done within one hundred days. So it's
• 48:31
  Speaker 25: still going two ways, this dogfight.
• 48:33
  Speaker 24: Kevin rud just relates the video so he supports America
• 48:36
  Speaker 24: buying Greenland.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Kevin Run's got a mega head on apparently. Thanks for
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: joining us. I really appreciate it. We'll see you tomorrow night.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Here's Peter Fridlin.