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John Alite on the Paul Castellano Hit, John Gotti & Sammy Gravano (Part 4) · money loyalty legacy

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  Honestly, I'd quest wipe myself in the head and shoulder with
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  most of these guys because I have St. education, I have
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  school education, I know how to make money.
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  I'm not a dummy because most of them are dumb.
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  So if you're intelligent enough to maneuver them all, which I
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  was, and as an Albanian and I ran the way I did, I'm not
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  stupid. Obviously, right?
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  Because I would have been killed a long time ago.
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  I made tons of money, so I wasn't.
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  So I didn't need them. I really didn't.
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  What up guys, Thank you for tuning in.
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  Let's go. Let's go.
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  What did you think about him taking out Paul Castellano?
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  Were you around? And you were around.
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  Of the Yeah. And then you get the, you know,
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  people say, oh, you didn't know. Of course I knew about it.
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  Yeah. Because it is one of the reasons
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  too, because he wanted me to be around with guys and weapons.
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  We're not allowed to bring guns to the club at that time.
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  He said make sure I'm around and make sure I got guns around and
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  make sure you guys are ready because he didn't know what was
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  going to jump off with the other families.
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  So and you know, prior to that happening on December 16th, 1985
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  is he was going to Neil de la Croce trying to get approvals to
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  kill Paul and Neil was on his deathbed.
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  He wouldn't give it. Finally John said, let's kill
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  him. Neil's going to die anyway
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  because John had a lot of respect for Neil.
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  And then finally he said, OK, let's do it.
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  I never believed he had to. I believe it was just a smart
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  move on John's point to become boss because Paul had two major
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  cases going at the time. He wasn't killing anybody.
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  He had the Commission case and he had the Roy Demayo case,
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  construction things. He had the ability and he
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  already killed at that time. He had Demayo, he already killed
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  Roy, which was his killing machine, and he had too much
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  heat on him. He was out on bails.
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  He just wasn't. He wasn't in a position to kill
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  anybody and he wasn't going to do it after all that pressure.
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  So I think the worst he would have did to John and him was
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  just shelve him and I think John understood that and he used it
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  in his benefit and took him out. Really quick about that.
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  We heard a couple different stories from talking to a couple
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  of different people about John's alibi, John not being there for
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  the Paul Castellano homicide. Then I heard that he was there
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  and I heard that he was a driver and I heard he wasn't a driver.
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  Do you happen to know? John wasn't John didn't didn't
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  drive much. He didn't like driving.
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  First off, he wasn't a great driver.
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  He didn't like driving. And you know, I know Sammy's
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  version, which a lot of things Sammy said for the people that
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  don't know his gas pipe lost his deal when he was cooperating
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  because he didn't agree with a lot of things Sammy said.
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  And I happened to believe a lot of things that gas pipe said
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  were more accurate because I know Sammy lied a lot.
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  He lied about things that involved me.
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  The Louis de Bono murder, Sammy knew nothing about it.
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  He acted like he did. He didn't because the hit team
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  changed. He had no no idea about that.
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  That's one lie. The other one is he talked about
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  Frankie Locascio, the concierge that Frankie liked.
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  Frankie hated him and Frankie, you know, I was trying to help
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  Frankie with his lawyer of getting out on appeal against
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  what things Sammy said about him.
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  So Sammy's bought us a lot of things.
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  He has a reputation aligned, but at the time he was the informant
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  and the source and I don't know who collaborated at whatever he
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  said or didn't, and I just know he lied a lot.
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  I went to Sparks. If you go there at 5:00, it's
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  all Albanians that run Sparks. By the way, I did ATV show out
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  there with Georgia Anastasia. If you go there and there's a
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  body, if you go there now, it's Christmas time, right?
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  Today's December 16th, actually the day Paul gets hit.
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  Go there at 5:00 around when Paul's meeting for the dinner
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  meeting and you see the trucks are there, delivery there, it's
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  packed and a body in the street. How do they get Sammy say they
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  drove past the body. I don't believe it.
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  I think it's a complete why there's too many people in the
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  street. There's police there.
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  How you getting by there? Who's going to take a chance to
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  get by there? And if you go on the block prior
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  to that is 3rd Ave. and then if you coming down, you're no man's
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  land if you're coming down to to the box.
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  So I I never bought that story and he's just known to be a
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  liar. His nickname wasn't the bullet
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  was Sammy daughter such the truth.
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  You know, really. And he was supposed to get hit
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  by the Colombo family. They chased him because they
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  called him a rat. And Louis Malito, his best
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  friend, saved his life. And then later on he set up his
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  best friend to get killed. So, you know, I, I don't really
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  buy anything. I, I don't know for sure where
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  John was, to be honest. I just know what John told us,
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  told me to be around and have guns around and guys around.
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  So that part, I know my, my position, the part Sammy.
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  But Sammy sang that, and I'll clarify that Sammy saying he set
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  up the whole murder. He hardly knew John.
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  He only knew him a couple years. Do you think John's going to
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  trust the guy he hardly knows who has a reputation of being a
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  snake to set up the murder, the biggest murder in his life that
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  he up, he's going to get life or he's going to get killed.
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  John, no way he's going to. He's going to trust his own
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  guys. That his own guys means his
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  brother Jeannie, Johnny Kinnig, Tony Roach, guys that he had
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  around every day, day and night with us his, you know, not some
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  stranger so that dad doesn't hold mud in the 1st place.
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  That that's his first lie. And Sammy wasn't an underboss at
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  the time. He was just a made guy and he
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  was in no man's land themselves. Sammy.
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  So John know he can maneuver him and he can use them because he
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  can't run back to that crew no more because he's dead without
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  all them. So John maneuvered Sammy.
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  So Sammy's story, like on with John and John's discussing
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  everything with me, is a lie. Frankie.
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  Frankie the Chico was close with John, and Sammy knew Frankie,
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  yes. So maybe John had conversations
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  with Frankie and Frankie might have told Sammy some things.
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  And Frankie's too sharp of a guy wasn't going to tell Sammy
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  everything either. So I don't buy his stories.
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  How did John get away with that? I mean, isn't that unheard of to
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  kill a boss of a family and just take over like that?
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  I mean, I know that. The well you need the
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  commission's approval and what John did was he took Joey Scopo,
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  who was took one faction of the Columbo family and you came the
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  active boss. So John maneuvered him who grew
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  up with them. Joey respected John Williams,
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  that's your baby was best friends with his brother
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  Jeannie. So now you got the Gambino
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  family says yes. You got a faction of Columbo
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  family says yes, and he's close with Joe Messina and he brings
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  them back into Commission because they were thrown out
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  because of that drug deal. And he brings Joe and says I'll
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  bring you back in if you say yes.
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  So now there's his three families.
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  Now Lukasey and Genovese family say that ain't flying with us.
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  We're not recognizing Joey Scopo.
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  It's called my purse ago that says no, it's gas pipe and
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  Vicomuso that says no. And then you got the chin that
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  says no. So you have the three families
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  on that side that say no. So now you're saying you're
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  you're and then Joey Scopa obviously gets hit during he's
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  the last guy to get hit during the war, which I talk about.
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  I like Joey a lot and they hit Joey's.
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  The last hit during the Colombo was and that's because of what
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  went on because of, you know, trying to take over the Colombo
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  family, which John kind of backed that, you know, and then
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  you got Sammy that, you know, again, you have Joey Scopo.
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  When I get hit, Sammy did nothing about it.
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  So when he tries to sell this thing, he only shot one guy in
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  his life, Sammy, not 19. So if he's check into check into
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  the paperwork, he only killed one guy in his life.
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  But he never hits nobody that hits his best friend Frankie
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  Chico. He never hits one.
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  Nobody that hits Eddie Leno, nobody hit Bobby Borella, nobody
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  that hit Joey Scopo, nobody that hit Little Anthony, nobody that
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  hit Greg Ryder, Mark Son and somebody else gets killed to it.
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  Get off the top of my head. Never hit nobody back.
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  We lost seven guys. So where's your killing?
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  Where's this killer that he talks about?
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  So that's why he said that. You know, guys that don't know
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  about the mob, they can buy until they don't know what he
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  better and nobody's who's going to tell them where they're going
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  to get their information. That's true.
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  Who were the actual killers of Paul Castellano?
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  Like who actually shot him? Vinny Arturo So was one of the
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  guys that was was there that said suppose he is, you know,
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  again, I'm, I'm getting it from information.
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  The guys I know. So he said his gun jammed.
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  They were contemplating killing him.
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  I don't know if his gun jammed or not.
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  They thought he was lying. Then they said he wasn't.
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  So I'm not sure he was there. Tony Roach was there.
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  Janie Gotti was there, Johnny Konig, who is the the supposed
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  killer of both guys. He killed bloody and then he
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  went on the other side. He killed Paul, which I believe
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  because Johnny had, you know, I'm a big fan of Johnny's that
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  was very loyal to him. I wasn't loyal to his brother.
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  I thought his brother was a junkie, just everything weak.
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  He gave us up and in different situations and internally, not
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  to the law, but internally, things that were happening.
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  Crackhead, you know, heroin addict, everything he wasn't, he
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  didn't belong in his life. And Johnny was a completely
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  different guy. And Johnny knows what his
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  brother was and his Johnny's wife knew who his brother was
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  and they should have just kept them away from his life and they
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  didn't. But Johnny was a nice guy, a
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  funny guy, a tough guy, money maker.
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  He had all the qualities. He hated sitting in the club
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  playing cards. That wasn't his thing.
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  So like Harley Davidson's fast boats.
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  And he was good and you know, closely had a Good Wife, good
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  family, kids. So you know, Johnny had it all
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  together. I was shocked that he took and
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  he listened to senior and he did the he took all that time and
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  not to play because he could have did it in nine years.
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  He wasn't the type of guy to do that.
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  He was the type of guy to think on his own.
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  So I was very surprised that he that he did that.
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  Yeah. What did you consider yourself
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  when you were in that life? Like as far as were you like a
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  gangster or were you, do you consider yourself a gangster or
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  a street guy or what? How did you yourself?
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  Honestly, I think I classified myself a lot of head and
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  shoulder with most of these guys because I have St. education, I
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  have school education, I know how to make money.
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  I'm not a dummy because most of them are dumb.
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  So if you're intelligent enough to maneuver them all, which I
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  was, and as an Albanian and I ran the way I did, I'm not
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  stupid, obviously, right? Because I would have been killed
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  a long time ago. I made tons of money, so I
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  wasn't. So I didn't need them.
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  I really didn't. My biggest mistake is getting
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  involved with them because I did the shooting, I did the work, I
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  brought in the money, I opened up the businesses, what I need
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  them for. So it was one of the dumbest
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  things I ever did actually as a kid.
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  But you're a kid, you don't know any better.
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  That's why I'm always telling kids, get the away from that
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  nonsense. Yeah.
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  Can I just ask, what were your thoughts of Vincent the Chin
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  Gigante when you saw? Did you ever see him walking
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  around in the bathrobes or anything?
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  Like, you know, I know his daughter's one daughter.
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  I don't know if you know, she's out and then she's a nice woman.
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  I know Sonny Black's, you know, daughter.
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  I know that the Chico's, I know all of the Gambino.
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  I know them all since I'm a kid, you know.
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  So I look at them and I'm like, I lived a life that none of them
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  did. I enjoyed my life.
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  I went from country to country. I opened clubs.
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  I had big money. I did think they're almost like
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  in jail. Outside of jail, they don't do
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  anything. So when you look at, you know,
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  is the chin smart? Yeah, he's a smart guy.
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  He lasted a long time in the life.
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  But what kind of life did he live?
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  You know, you didn't have a real family life because of you were
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  on the street day night. You had cases day and night.
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  You didn't travel, you didn't do anything.
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  So how is this a good life? So when someone could tell me
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  what's so good about this life? You're fighting to to survive,
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  not to go to jail for the rest of your life, which you end up
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  doing. You didn't have a, a good family
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  life because no one can in this life, none of us because you
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  can't do both. You're married to the street.
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  And the other thing is you're not traveling.
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  So why are you enjoying your life?
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  You know, John had enjoyed his life because he liked it
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  limelight a lot. So he enjoyed it to a certain
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  extent, but he didn't travel. Yeah.
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  You know, he didn't go to Paris, he didn't go to Italy.
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  He didn't go to Greece. He didn't go to Argentina,
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  Uruguay, Paraguay. I can tell you, every city in
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  all these places besides just going there, the Cayman Islands,
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  the Ivory Coast, I've been everywhere.
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  Right. So when you look at these guys,
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  they did, right. So what's the enjoyment?
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  Yeah. You know, So what?
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  You can buy a Lamborghini. Who gives a What are you going
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  to do with Lamborghini if you're in prison the rest of your life?
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  Yeah, that's true. And when you were going to do
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  like an act of violence, can you say like, like what kind of
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  music were you listening to? Like, say you go, I gotta go
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  beat this guy. What are you putting in the I?
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  Listen to two types. I used to listen to the ghetto
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  boys. I don't know.
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  I used to listen to them and then believe it.
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  And I listen a lot of opera. Really.
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  Yeah, I like soft music. Like you were you, I'm going to
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  go beat the out of this guy. I'm going to play some.
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  And I used to put on smoothing music that was.
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  Shit level. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Damn.
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  Yeah. Can you say what's your favorite
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  part of that life? Your former life was just
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  obviously it's the past, but when you were, what was the
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  height when you were at it? Like, what was your favorite
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  part about it? It's it's it's, it's a distant
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  memory, but at the time when you were living it.
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  It's got to be the excitement, the way you move around.
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  Just, you know, like right now we're just sitting here.
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  Now it's come. Come on, let's go to California.
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  You know, I would stay the Lee Matage.
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  It's a it's a townhouse. Back then it cost me 2500 a
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  night. Pavarotti was my next door.
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  And I didn't even know who he was.
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  It was a dumb kid, you know, when I was, I asked him to come
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  over to my party and I was throwing, you know, I bought,
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  you know, a couple of cases of champagne.
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  Cristal, I'm throwing money around like crazy.
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  And the bell guy tells me, you know, they all know who you are.
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  I'm still stupid not to understand.
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  They all know I'm a drug dealer, you know, because you're naive.
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  And then I, Pavarotti, I go. You want to come over because he
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  came out, I go. Am I making too much?
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  Always. He only spoke a very little
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  English and he's laughed and he goes no.
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  And then the bell guy goes, you know who that is?
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  And I go no. And he tells me.
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  Then I knock back on the door. I said, sorry, I don't know
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  where you are. He left.
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  He was very nice guy. But you know, I went there, I
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  went to California. I flew there with three girls.
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  They threw a party and, you know, cost me 2500 a night.
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  And I I thought it was a big deal that they gave me a
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  limousine complimentary from 9:00 to 5:00 or 6.
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  Whatever. You know you're a dumb kid.
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  Yeah, yeah. So when you when you look back
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  on that and your memories, you're just like, that was
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  awesome. Yeah, I think about all this
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  because, you know, I walk in, you know, I walk into places and
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  it was a big deal that I'm coming in.
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  I'm a kid. And, you know, you understand
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  what you are. When you start seeing grown
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  adults, men treating you like, you know, and you're like, wow,
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  successful guys treating you, and then you feel like you're
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  successful. You lie to yourself, you know,
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  like, wow, I made it. It's like Tony Montana, right?
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  You know, I made it, but you really didn't make it.
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  You're just stupid. You think you made it, but you
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  didn't make it. Respectively, you know, you
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  still bomb lowlife in a different way.
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  You know? That's the truth of it.
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  You can dress any way you want, speak the way you open.
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  It's not real success. Fair enough.
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  Was there a favorite gangster movie that you watch where you
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  were like it gave you like chills almost because it was so
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  real or something that you just liked?
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  I don't watch, believe it or not, I don't even watch my own
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  podcast. However they do.
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  But you know what movie I like that all the gangster movies.
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  I love State of Grace with Sean Penn.
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  I thought it was great at Harris.
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  And you know why I like it? Because these guys were greedy
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  guys like I was. I grew up in the street, you
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  know, they're Irish, just regular tough guys, you know,
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  wild, you know, even though they're like bums, but they're
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  wild. Then I can relate because that's
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  how I grew up. Right, right.
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  Do you feel like they're they shouldn't be making movie about
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  you one day soon? The truth is they don't, they
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  don't talk about because I'm Albanian, but I, I, I ranked and
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  I did what I wanted in the street for a lot of years in a,
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  in an Italian mafia being Albanian.
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  So when guys can say anything they want, I tell everybody
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  you'll never last in Albania for 24 hours if you're not Albanian.
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  So how did I last like this so? Sounds like a pretty good movie
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  script to me. Yeah, right.
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  Yeah. I mean, you know, it's and I and
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  I didn't do what most of them did, you know, because most of
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  these guys are broke. Some what people think they
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  never and they never travelled. They didn't do anything.
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  And they, you know, I, I just had a wild, crazy life from the
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  penitentiaries and other countries that on the run and
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  the Interpol chasing me every Wednesday.
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  When they caught me, they caught me with the, you know, they
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  caught me with the Army and Stipers and you know, they came
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  with everything, helicopters and you know, so it was just the
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  whole way through has been crazy.
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  You talk about loving life, you know you love life.
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  You love living life. Do you feel like you've done
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  everything that you could possibly want to do in this
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  life? No.
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  What, what, what, what more is there for for John?
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  Well, yeah, I want to make sure my kids are successful in a good
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  way. And the other is to do something
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  positive, which I've been trying to do with kids.
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  And then I would say this life was I, I accomplish what I want
• 18:11
  because this stuff is my life. I can't erase it.
• 18:15
  It's things that happen. It's in me.
• 18:18
  I mean, you know, people ask me, I said my DNA is still my DNA.
• 18:22
  If somebody walked in this house, yeah, I'm the same guy,
• 18:24
  wouldn't hesitate killing him. But that's not who I want to be.
• 18:28
  And what I want to be is the guy that's saving the kid that
• 18:32
  thinks his life is only in the street like I thought it was.
• 18:35
  That's the satisfaction, really. And people could say what they
• 18:38
  want, but there's nothing more satisfying than saving
• 18:41
  somebody's life from ruining it and then watch him have kids and
• 18:44
  family. And there's a lot of people that
• 18:45
  write me and tell me thank you for helping me.
• 18:47
  And I'm not like those guys that don't answer.
• 18:49
  I answer a lot of guys. I talk to as many as I can.
• 18:52
  And, you know, people like, why do you waste your time so much
• 18:55
  on this? Not a waste of time if I could
• 18:56
  save somebody's life. Because I know how many times I
• 18:59
  sat in cells and I cried my eyes out, right?
• 19:03
  And I'm not ashamed to say it because somebody said, oh, you
• 19:05
  cried at them. Yeah, I cried.
• 19:07
  What am IA robot? We're all human beings.
• 19:09
  And I and I told the God that too.
• 19:10
  You can make fun of me because the God made fun of me one time.
• 19:13
  And I said to him, but if you open this door, I said, I
• 19:15
  guarantee I kill you, you fat. You know this.
• 19:19
  Year probably changed quickly, yeah, so.
• 19:21
  You know, he talked like an idiot.
• 19:22
  I threw piss on him actually, you know, because I got him to
• 19:25
  open up the crack of the door. I kept apologizing to him so he
• 19:28
  would open and he put his face out, throw piss on him.
• 19:30
  I go now, come in. You know, so you know that's not
• 19:34
  going to get out of you. You know, that's never going to
• 19:36
  change you either because you got that mentality not to give
• 19:39
  in, but you just got to channel it in a positive way.
• 19:42
  But you got pricks like them. You know, I stick up, I try to
• 19:45
  stick up for the police now, right?
• 19:47
  And I, you know, most of them are good guys, but then you got
• 19:49
  a couple. I'm idiots.
• 19:51
  I was in jail. So, you know, almost 20 years.
• 19:53
  And I love this country even after everything.
• 19:55
  But I, I'm honest, I lived a life.
• 19:58
  I got what I deserve. Then now I got a different life.
• 20:01
  So we talked about the money, we talked about the lack of loyalty
• 20:04
  in that life. Now, what is your legacy?
• 20:08
  What do you ultimately want your legacy to be?
• 20:11
  Obviously, talk about helping the kids.
• 20:12
  You want to, you know, make sure your family's straight, but
• 20:15
  what? You know, 100 years from now,
• 20:18
  what do you want your legacy be? How do you want to have impacted
• 20:22
  society ultimately? Then I was able to turn it
• 20:26
  around to be a positive influence, somebody that's going
• 20:31
  to Donald Trump to mall Lago, somebody that's in advocating
• 20:34
  for the freedom of this country, advocating for the wigs that are
• 20:39
  in China being abused. I said so we don't make no
• 20:42
  difference. This is about controlling.
• 20:44
  You want to have a voice because most people are weak.
• 20:46
  Even in jail, they're weak. They tell them to clean dogs on
• 20:49
  the floor. These are the same guys that
• 20:50
  won't get a job. They clean dogs on the floor.
• 20:52
  I mean, it's just amazing how you can maneuver people to do.
• 20:55
  I rather be that guy. Maybe I'll go in a solitary
• 20:58
  confinement for years, cry my eyes out, but you ain't going to
• 21:01
  break me to keep doing what you're saying because this is
• 21:04
  our country. If and people ask me why am I so
• 21:06
  aggressive? And I've said it over and over
• 21:09
  again, because if I don't fight, I leave the fight for my kids
• 21:12
  and my grandkids. So we need to speak as much as
• 21:14
  it and you don't want to do it. It's a pain in the and it's a
• 21:17
  lot of Flack and. Fair enough, you look.
• 21:20
  So ultimately, you're looking out for a better future for
• 21:23
  everyone. When, when, when big government
• 21:27
  and Ronald Reagan said it years ago invades in your life, you
• 21:31
  don't have freedom. When you're looking for small
• 21:33
  government with Donald Trump wants small regulations, you
• 21:37
  have your freedom. You have your freedom to live
• 21:39
  your life, your family's life. Yeah.
• 21:42
  Are you going to get in the office one day or what?
• 21:44
  Man I wish I could have gone with this in some level.
• 21:47
  I mean who? Starts coming out like.
• 21:49
  Who's not, who's not going to vote for you?
• 21:51
  You just get, yeah, I mean, truthfully, I mean, you truly
• 21:55
  believe in what you say. I could.
• 21:58
  We could tell by looking at you saying down with you.
• 22:00
  You know what I mean? You know you're real off camera
• 22:02
  too. For people watching, he's this
• 22:05
  guy on or off camera. This is the first time we've sat
• 22:07
  down and met him in person. He's a real John is real, a real
• 22:10
  dude, you know what I mean? He opened his homework to us
• 22:13
  without ever, ever meeting us, you know what I mean?
• 22:15
  So he he really does speak from the heart and say what he means.
• 22:19
  I just so you know, these guys are just good at dividing people
• 22:22
  and manipulating people. Try to make somebody hate
• 22:25
  somebody because of their color, because they're gay, because
• 22:27
  they're straight, because they're, you know, LGBTQ,
• 22:30
  whatever. That's every individual, right?
• 22:32
  What are you trying to make people hate each other for?
• 22:34
  And it's such a Machiavelli gangster move that I see it.
• 22:39
  I see what it is. So that's why I'm always so
• 22:41
  outspoken and I tell tell the kids and every kid that knows me
• 22:44
  from the inner city, don't buy into this.
• 22:47
  You think they care about you and.
• 22:48
  I got to reiterate for people watching, John comes from that
• 22:53
  world, right? You grew up on Jamaica Ave.
• 22:56
  around people of all different ethnicities, you know, puff area
• 23:01
  you you're you're from the hood, etcetera.
• 23:04
  You're from the hood, from the streets, right?
• 23:06
  So you've you've seen all levels of life, you've seen the hood,
• 23:11
  you know, made millions of dollars and travelled all over
• 23:13
  the world. You know what I mean?
• 23:15
  You've seen every aspect of society.
• 23:17
  You know everything. Like I said, you've came full
• 23:20
  circle. And now, when did you have the
• 23:22
  revelation to the that's going on nowadays?
• 23:26
  Here's an example. You want to pay these bills that
• 23:28
  if you get an F for AD, it's OK because you don't want them
• 23:31
  intelligent. These are all these are, you
• 23:34
  know, these are mob tactic moves against the inner city and then
• 23:38
  you want to act like you care about them.
• 23:40
  Then you want to throw them out and take their parks and you
• 23:42
  won't build them anything, but you got billions to sell in
• 23:45
  other countries before them. So single mothers, people that
• 23:50
  why don't you give them more money for education?
• 23:53
  Teach people confidence as a young age.
• 23:54
  But I've said it 100 times, let's take every race, every
• 23:58
  religion and put 5 and 6 year olds in a schoolyard, put a
• 24:01
  hundred of them in there and I guarantee you they don't hate
• 24:03
  each other. You're trying to teach them.
• 24:05
  Yeah. And then, you know, you speak
• 24:08
  about helping vets and stuff like that as well and you're.
• 24:11
  You're Yeah, they're on my sites.
• 24:12
  I'm big, I'm pro law enforcement.
• 24:15
  I talk about them all the time. And people that don't understand
• 24:18
  what I'm saying, I tell them every day, if you're in a rich
• 24:20
  neighborhood, you don't need no cops.
• 24:23
  You're safe over there. How about that Lady who's not a
• 24:25
  gangster? How about her children just want
• 24:27
  an education that live in our neighborhoods when there's roofs
• 24:30
  and people, you know, there's wolves in the sheep, I says, and
• 24:33
  not everybody's a streak. I have gangs that can't survive
• 24:36
  it. So yeah, they need law
• 24:37
  enforcement to protect them. I told the kid in school was a
• 24:40
  gang banger when I was talking. I go stand up.
• 24:43
  Do you like cops? He says, no, no, I don't like
• 24:44
  cops. I said I didn't like him either
• 24:46
  when I grew up. But I guarantee you, if I ask
• 24:48
  this girl question, you're going to change your opinion.
• 24:51
  And I told the girl to get up, and I asked her.
• 24:53
  I says, if you've seen his mother walking down the street
• 24:55
  and you see two guys drag her in the alley and they're going to
• 24:58
  you call the cops. She said yes.
• 25:00
  And then I asked him, do you want her to call the cops?
• 25:03
  And he goes, oh, that ain't even a fair question.
• 25:05
  Oh, yeah, it is because it happens every day.
• 25:07
  Everybody doesn't know who your mother is just 'cause I was out
• 25:10
  being a gangster didn't mean I wanted my mother and my sisters
• 25:13
  or anybody else to live that life.
• 25:15
  So, you know, we got to be concerned about our children and
• 25:17
  then those same guys that are killers and gangsters and Robin,
• 25:20
  just like I was. We're no angels, but we have
• 25:23
  kids too. We don't want to see nothing
• 25:24
  happen to our kids. So there's got to be some sort
• 25:27
  of law enforcement. Yeah, because a lot of people
• 25:30
  are going to be like, well, this guy was this huge gangster
• 25:33
  yarder John Gotti. Like how did he transform into
• 25:36
  being pro law enforcement when he spent his life, you know?
• 25:40
  But I got beat down badly. Twice badly many times, but
• 25:44
  twice badly. And I say it all the time, I got
• 25:46
  what I deserved. Not that I was wrong actually
• 25:49
  either time. I really wasn't.
• 25:50
  Cop was. But I'm no Angel.
• 25:52
  So they're going to treat me because they know who I am.
• 25:55
  So that's part of the game. I'm in the game.
• 25:57
  That's what happens when you're in the game.
• 25:58
  I'm not in the game. I'm not getting beat up anymore.
• 26:01
  So it has a lot to do with my history and my attitude.
• 26:06
  That's why I say comply and then complain.
• 26:08
  So if that day, if you think you're being abused, you don't
• 26:11
  comply. So you don't end up getting hurt
• 26:13
  or going to jail or getting somebody getting killed and the
• 26:15
  next day complain, go put a report in, complain.
• 26:18
  But my objective is to look out for these, for these kids so
• 26:22
  they get and understand there's no win situation.
• 26:25
  I tried it. You don't win.
• 26:27
  And how how do you prevent them from stepping into that the
• 26:31
  underworld in that, you know, that street light?
• 26:34
  How do you how do you convince them to not go that route?
• 26:37
  Because ultimately you got to realize a lot of people are
• 26:39
  still going to hear your stories or watch Goodfellas or watch,
• 26:42
  you know, any kind of movie boys in the hood society.
• 26:45
  They're going to watch these crime movies and still think
• 26:47
  that that it's cool. Because that kid in the hood,
• 26:50
  let's take anywhere Detroit and they grow up in the slums and
• 26:54
  they have one mother and one father, maybe no mother, no
• 26:57
  father at five and six years old.
• 27:00
  They should be teaching them confidence.
• 27:02
  They should be taught to teach these kids that confidence and
• 27:06
  to teach them to like themselves, to teach them to say
• 27:09
  that that not this, oh, I'm black, the white kids better
• 27:12
  than me. Oh, I'm at Spanish, he's better
• 27:14
  than me. Oh, he's Muslim.
• 27:16
  So that Catholics better than me, the Muslims better than the
• 27:18
  cut. This divide is what they're
• 27:20
  teaching. They're not teaching them.
• 27:22
  Listen, I wasn't good in school either.
• 27:24
  You don't have to be take you only got to be good in one thing
• 27:27
  in this world to get rich. So maybe you're good at your
• 27:30
  handy guy and you can be a Carpenter.
• 27:34
  Maybe you're a tech guy. You're good at computers.
• 27:37
  It only takes one thing to teach a kid to get very successful.
• 27:41
  You could drive a truck and open up truck.
• 27:43
  I didn't have the confidence because nobody told me that.
• 27:45
  But if you start teaching classes in first grade, 2nd
• 27:48
  grade, 3rd grade and build up as they get, all the classes should
• 27:52
  be implemented about confidence and make them know no matter
• 27:56
  what happened in that household has nothing to do with them.
• 27:58
  You should love yourself because I didn't give a about myself.
• 28:01
  I didn't give a about my life. That's why I put it on the line
• 28:04
  all the time. Whatever went on in my
• 28:06
  childhood, that's what I did. And that's what a lot of these
• 28:08
  kids are doing. They're not gotten a worth for
• 28:10
  their life. That's why they lose it so fast.
• 28:12
  So they'll kill somebody else so fast.
• 28:14
  So every time I sing when I'm mad at somebody now, if I want
• 28:17
  to kill you, I'm only killing myself.
• 28:20
  So I got to like myself enough more than I want to hurt you.
• 28:23
  And if you teach it and you and you mean it, and you get guys
• 28:28
  like me to go talk to a professors that actually care
• 28:31
  about the kids. So how do you instill the
• 28:33
  confidence in the kids that like you described, they don't have
• 28:37
  the confidence, they don't have the self esteem, but they don't
• 28:40
  have anybody to instill that in them, right?
• 28:42
  You can go to their stool and talk them for a day.
• 28:44
  Because it's not a one time talk.
• 28:47
  You know, I can bring it to them.
• 28:48
  You guys like bringing horse to water, right?
• 28:51
  But they need to be, It's got to be done on a constant basis.
• 28:55
  That's why I said it's got to be in schools from the kindergarten
• 28:57
  to the 1st grade to the second grade to the third grade to the
• 29:00
  4th grade. This just should be a lesson of
• 29:03
  of confidence in each grade. And just like you learn History
• 29:07
  1 and you start with the Indians and you go to something else and
• 29:10
  you go to the Spanish American War, they should be doing this
• 29:13
  at levels with confidence. And it should be a school
• 29:16
  mandatory. It's a mandatory all the way up
• 29:18
  until college until it's breaded in your head.
• 29:21
  Instead of brainwashing them and bad things, brainwash them and
• 29:24
  good things to like themselves to tell me you're capable of
• 29:26
  doing anything you want. You don't need anybody to hold
• 29:29
  your hand. You can do it.
• 29:30
  I was in prison with guys. One guy, Cheddar, I was very
• 29:33
  close to school, a tall skinny kid was a little slow black kid.
• 29:36
  And they got him to kill 3 kids, right?
• 29:38
  He was slow. He was getting checks this whole
• 29:40
  time. His lawyer sold him out, took
• 29:42
  his grandmother 75,000. I talked to the grandmother.
• 29:45
  I saved his life. I got him a the judge couldn't
• 29:47
  sentence him because he couldn't prove if he was killing mentally
• 29:50
  stable or not. And he wasn't.
• 29:52
  That's why he was getting a check the whole time.
• 29:54
  So there was no way to prove at the time when he shot him and he
• 29:56
  didn't. They maneuvered the kid and he
• 29:58
  was a really good kid and he was talented.
• 30:00
  He could sing, he could play basketball.
• 30:02
  And anyway, I was getting in his head every day and I just change
• 30:04
  your life When you go home, stop following these kids.
• 30:07
  And you know, he was a little slow, so they abused them, but
• 30:10
  nobody helped him. His grandmother loved him.
• 30:13
  He had a good grandmother. He was a nice kid and but
• 30:16
  somebody's got to reach out and put their hand out.
• 30:18
  You're not going to be able to reach out your hand to every
• 30:21
  child or every kid in the neighborhood, but just one.
• 30:24
  But if you have a school classes I I was on Cnni went to talk of
• 30:30
  dawn that they had town hall meeting with Anderson Cooper,
• 30:33
  whose brainiac idea was this to have free.
• 30:36
  So you're saying for the rest of their lives, just let them get
• 30:38
  high. And that's your, that's your
• 30:40
  answer. And you'd think somebody that's
• 30:42
  getting high in a club somewhere over there is going to go to a
• 30:44
  drug free zone. What world do they live in?
• 30:48
  And, and, and these kids, all these kids, their lives don't
• 30:50
  mean anything. You're never going to try to fix
• 30:52
  them. That's your answer to have to be
• 30:55
  able to get high cleanly. Temporary escape.
• 30:58
  But they got no plan to ever fix them, so they're just going to
• 31:01
  keep them there until they're dead.
• 31:03
  Or until they're brain dead, anyway.
• 31:04
  Did you get any blowback when you were on CNN?
• 31:08
  I know and Swoop, but he's a nice guy actually.
• 31:09
  But did did they? I didn't really speak when it
• 31:12
  was, you know, they have the live part and they have the part
• 31:14
  when we're not live. And I talk to him.
• 31:16
  Yeah, we all discussed and there's people, there's money
• 31:19
  behind it. They're making money.
• 31:21
  The government makes money. The people are involved on a
• 31:23
  private end. That work that knows somebody
• 31:25
  within the government, they're getting an end.
• 31:26
  I know, you know, we know. I know the game.
• 31:28
  It's a kickback game. Who's going to be the one that
• 31:31
  teach the kids the like the lessons that you're talking
• 31:34
  about? Like who?
• 31:34
  I can't be a regular teacher because obviously a lot of these
• 31:37
  teachers are teaching them. Well, they got no right teaching
• 31:40
  them anything. They're not psychologists, so I
• 31:42
  don't even know why that hasn't been brought up.
• 31:44
  Doesn't matter what they're teaching them, they shouldn't be
• 31:46
  teaching them anything but whatever they went to school
• 31:48
  for. They're teaching history, math,
• 31:50
  science, what other education? What gym class, but not
• 31:54
  psychology? You're not a psychologist, you
• 31:56
  didn't go to school for that. You should actually get locked
• 31:58
  up for that, and I'm talking about in anything.
• 32:01
  You know, you said that you you weren't the best student, right?
• 32:04
  But you're obviously an intelligent guy.
• 32:05
  Right. Yeah.
• 32:06
  You read a lot and you know, you've owned multiple businesses
• 32:09
  that were successful. You've made millions of dollars.
• 32:11
  Most people don't make that in their life.
• 32:13
  Right. But you became an intellect as
• 32:15
  you got older, though, correct? Yeah.
• 32:17
  So you don't. So the for the kid out there
• 32:19
  that has a hard time doing well in school, you know you're proof
• 32:27
  that you can, even if you're not getting the best grades, you can
• 32:30
  still become an intelligent person.
• 32:32
  John Gotti went to the same high school as me.
• 32:34
  Frank Kaylene. We both grew up and he grew up
• 32:38
  in Brownsville. I grew up a bunch of bank.
• 32:40
  Same thing. He's New York, Brownsville.
• 32:42
  I do talk to Brownsville. He never went to school either.
• 32:45
  He's very, very well read. He read books all the time, day
• 32:48
  and night. That's why he knew how to
• 32:50
  maneuver people. If that guy, and I've said it
• 32:52
  over and over, if that guy didn't go into the street, he
• 32:54
  could have been ACEO. He knew how to handle people.
• 32:58
  And it's, you know, you got to have St. smarts and you have to
• 33:00
  have an intellect, intelligence that you learn through growing
• 33:04
  up the hard way like we did. And then as you get older and
• 33:07
  you have children, you have a motivation to, to to be a little
• 33:11
  more intelligent on to your kids.
• 33:13
  Because only an idiot would want my kid to do what I was doing.
• 33:16
  Like my son's in jail. It's 10 times more suffering him
• 33:19
  there than me. And you know, so all these
• 33:22
  parents out there that have children, even the ones that
• 33:25
  have issues, whether it's drugs or drinking, they want better
• 33:28
  for their kids. They might be too weak
• 33:29
  themselves to teach them. And somebody's got to tell these
• 33:32
  kids in school. You're all right and you're all
• 33:36
  right at five years old, you're all right.
• 33:37
  People do love you. People do care.
• 33:39
  You do you look at yourself and like yourself.
• 33:41
  It ain't all about just about money because I had a ton of
• 33:45
  money and I wasn't happy back then either.
• 33:47
  I had no money. I wasn't happy.
• 33:49
  It was when I became eternally happy and I learned to to change
• 33:53
  myself that I saw become a lot. See, you're very obviously very
• 33:58
  well informed with what's going on in society nowadays, right?
• 34:01
  I mean, you keep up on everything, current events, you
• 34:04
  know, politics, you know, economic growth.
• 34:09
  Can you give me your insight as to what you think is happening
• 34:12
  with this new UAP situation that's going on here?
• 34:16
  The, the UFO situation, the government's admitting that
• 34:19
  there's craft visiting Earth from unknown origins.
• 34:24
  The Pentagon's went on record saying that they're in the house
• 34:27
  right now talking about Full disclosure.
• 34:30
  Ex pilots are talking about a people up in the upper echelon,
• 34:34
  government of Guam record talking about the the data and
• 34:37
  the interview. David Grush came out and talked
• 34:40
  about it. Who is in the upper echelon of
• 34:42
  the government and former military as well.
• 34:45
  Commander David Fraver, long time major in the Air Force, has
• 34:49
  gone on record talking about the Tic Tac incident that I believe
• 34:52
  occurred in 2004. Do you don't talk?
• 34:54
  About I know I'm a big UFO guy so I just love this from jail.
• 34:57
  I just talked to my son about it.
• 34:59
  Listen, if you go through the pyramids and seeing what was
• 35:01
  drawn and written on pyramids from one end of the world to
• 35:05
  another when they had no way of getting to each other, how would
• 35:07
  they know them to be writing and drawing the same thing?
• 35:11
  First second, they know because there was ships that just
• 35:15
  recently were on their radar and they that it was live.
• 35:19
  They reported it. Airline pilots, just what you
• 35:21
  said that reported it. This country and every country
• 35:25
  understands and and I believe, like if you're a God believer
• 35:28
  person, which I am, and it took me a long time.
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  You know, I used to it was a lot of things that I questioned, but
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  it's ignorant for us in a world this universe that's forever
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  infinite to believe we're the only ones here.
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  It's just it's not logically thinking.
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  It's just not and we're energy. Our bodies are energy.
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  Energy never dies and without getting to a million stories
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  about my daughter, things happened with her that I wasn't
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  drunk. I wasn't anything or TV went on
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  when I went up in a room. I didn't even know what worked.
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  I went through this on one of my shows downstairs.
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  I have a an earned with the an Angel urn with her ashes in it.
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  I'll leave the house and I'll take you downstairs.
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  I'll show you. We'll shake it.
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  We'll do everything you want. That light will not go on.
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  I come home. Some days the lights on can't
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  explain it. I went to Las Vegas and the girl
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  sat next to me and that was very upset about my daughter.
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  I just called my sister and the girl start talking to me.
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  The bartender, it was breakfast. He was with her boyfriend.
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  He asked for identification. She says why would you ask him
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  for me? I'm 30 years old.
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  My birthday was the same exact day and month as my daughter.
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  And yeah, so I could continue with some of these.
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  The lights went on twice in my house.
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  So do I believe in UFO? 100%.
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  And because they hide things just like the when they don't
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  talk about something like anything else, if was so safe,
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  they would debate it. They would let you talk.
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  They'll let you ask a million questions.
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  It's like me telling you don't cross the street and I say I'm
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  telling you why. Because if you cross, you're
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  going to die and you're going to say there's no cause.
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  And for me not to be able to open that explanation to you,
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  then I'm hiding something. Obviously when they're not
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  transparent, something's wrong. And when they don't not
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  transparent about the UFO, same thing.
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  Do you have you ever considered running for anything?
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  Any kind of. Yeah, I've talked about it a lot
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  actually. And I wish I it was a
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  possibility that I could, I mean, what my background, who
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  knows? If somebody asked me, would you
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  run? I would definitely run.
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  Can I I just want to say something real quick for to
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  John. Did I pipe Mikey lazy eye with
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  the tire iron and set that Google ad great yes I did.
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  Did I have a three-way with the two big bazooka woman off over
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  at the Copa lounge? Yes I did.
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  Did. Are you going to have a
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  trademark that yes I did. That needs to be on a T-shirt
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  with you in the jumpsuit looking like a supermodel.
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  Oh yeah. OK.
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  All right, John, we'll wrap it up.
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  We could literally sit here. And talk to you all.
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  But. We talk politics.
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  I'll talk all day and night. I just.
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  I want to advocate for the inner city, for the that goes on.
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  I want to give them a chance at life.
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  Real quick then for you, let the people know that are listening
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  and watching what platforms you have so they can listen to you
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  or hear what you have to say as well.
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  I'm on YouTube, my name John Elite, Elite, Elite, whatever
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  way you want to say it ALITE I'm on Instagram under my name, also
• 38:29
  John Elite. I'm on Tiktok.
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  They run it for me through Europe.
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  I'm on Instagram, which you know, Facebook.
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  I got a mount of pages on that. You can see me in the magazine.
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  Recently I just did Life magazine cover in Germany,
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  Centerfolder, GQ magazine, Forbes magazine, the Hollywood
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  magazine. I'm filming a new movie called
• 38:51
  Pony. I'm on Netflix, a couple of
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  different series, Fear City and another one called How to Become
• 38:57
  a Boss. I did a four part series in
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  Denmark with Klaus on his life story, The Downfall of a Drug
• 39:04
  Lord, The Viking. I did Perfect Gangster, that's
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  out. I did mafias one and two in the
• 39:09
  UK, they're all #1 Perfect Gangster, the Mafia's one and
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  two with Trevor McDonald. They were number one.
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  I did a couple comedy series. I did an action film that'll be
• 39:18
  out shortly and I got a couple things in the work.
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  I have a lot of songs that are out there that rappers have done
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  with me. You're making me feel like I did
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  a intro for you with all the stuff that I left out.
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  I mean, this guy's, this guy's all over the place.
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  Can you plug your books too? Yeah, selling books.
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  I've got five books out. I have Gotti's Rules, Darkest
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  Hour, Mafia International, Death Haven and Prison Rules.
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  It's more of a handbook if you go to jail.
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  I did that with Nick, Christopher, George, Anastasia.
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  I did Gotti's Rules with Susan Pike.
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  I did The Darkest Hour with and the Romano I did Mafia
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  International with. And do you have your own website
• 39:59
  where you sell books or? Merch.
• 40:01
  Yeah, you go on my websites, John, elite.com and merchandise,
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  insurance and pictures. I do special appearances for
• 40:09
  events, talks, weddings, lectures, school events.
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  If anybody wants to hire me, you could come on my the Katie
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  answers any of the inquiries. Awesome.
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  All right, Sir, it's been an absolute pleasure and an honor,
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  man. Truly appreciate it.
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  Right, John Elite, everyone. Thank you.
• 40:29
  Thanks. Pleasure, Matt.
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  Pleasure, Matt. Appreciate it.