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FSU and the State of ACC Hoops · North Florida Sports Network Podcast

• 0:02
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• 0:25
  Speaker 1: Hit it, don't quit it.
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: But we were watching FSU, oops should have quit that there, it went there, it went there it never was 14 to 13 now in the season 8 and 8 in Caverns.
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: They lost to Clemson 74 63.
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: They played really actually.
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: I thought I loved the effort honestly, and I like the scouting that they did, but they just don't have enough shooters, they just don't.
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: They got the whole guy out of attention early they got PJ Hallen, but you know the guy.
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: Spears and Green Jr.
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: They both sat out the game previous the win against at home against Boston College and they were back on the floor, green Jr starting, and he just didn't do anything.
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: He didn't, he didn't do anything.
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: I mean it, I think it's.
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: I think time has passed.
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: He's played enough games to go ahead and say it wasn't unnecessary.
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't necessarily a hit taking down right, I get it, man no, I like when he fills that role, but I think now, especially off the, especially if what you got off Chandler Jackson the last game, I thought you should have rode that momentum and given him the start and maybe brought in Green Jr off the bench and see if he has it and if he doesn't, keep his ass on the bench well, if he's the guy you bring in to hit threes.
• 2:12
  Speaker 1: If he's not hitting threes, then he's not quick enough on defense to stick with the white dude who crossed him up and hit three right in his face, right like that's.
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: He's not going to be able to do that.
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: On Chandler Jackson he's not going to be able to do that.
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: So if you're not hitting threes, you're out yeah, I.
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: I just.
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: And then there was a couple of blatant terrible calls that you saw.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: There was a goaltend call that you've been seeing a lot of these goaltending calls on Florida State, you know, but this one was a bad call this one looked, watkins timed it perfectly and he hit it against the backboard.
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: Before it got to the backboard, it was on the way up it was a legit call.
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: They call it was.
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  Speaker 1: So it was such a blatant.
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: But what, what I was?
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: They didn't want to review it, they didn't I don't know what, but they just blatantly called it a goaltend, like that was just not a good call there was another call in the game in the second half where they called it out of bounds Bob Miller, when he was laying down on the ground when his foot they said his foot was out of bounds and they showed the replay.
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: His foot was like over a foot away from out of bounds.
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: He was never there's no explanation for that.
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: I don't, this is just yeah, that was.
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: That was confusing.
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: It was kind of like I don't know he was.
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: He was touching the Clemson player who was out of bounds and they were both touching the ball, so somehow that should have been an FSU ball.
• 3:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the back the back court that that somehow ended up a foul he wasn't out of bounds.
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah it, uh.
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: And they said he was out of bounds and you know that that 30 free throw attempts to 15 yeah um, I just, you know stuff like that to me.
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: You always expect Florida State shot 37%.
• 4:11
  Speaker 2: You always expected, playing in this league, clemson shot 44.
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: Clemson shot 27% from three.
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: Florida State only shot 21% Free throws 80% for Clemson Free throws, 73% from Florida State.
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: So Clemson won the game.
• 4:26
  Speaker 2: You know they won the game.
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not.
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: I credit to them and I and I've said all year that they should be.
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: Well they hit more shots.
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: They're going to be.
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: They're going to be.
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: God bless Brad Brunel, but he's going to be a victim of the ACC getting bad credit as a conference Cause he's going to get left out again and he's he's going to get left out again with one of his better teams.
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: Can't lose that.
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: It seems pretty good.
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to lie, it seems pretty good.
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: But Florida State was they.
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: Just they don't wear the shooters.
• 4:58
  Speaker 1: And I was saying I was just talking about how green didn't make the shot.
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: Where are the shooters?
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: Two of eight, oh, four from three.
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: Point that the.
• 5:08
  Speaker 2: You know, I just like that.
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: That's the guy that's supposed to be.
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: You're talking about Darren.
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: Green Jr with those numbers.
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's.
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: That's the guy that's supposed to be your, your downtown threat, I mean your guy from deep Right.
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: Like he's not coming back next year, right, why even start them?
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: But those numbers are, you need them to hit but yeah, but, but that that's you know.
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: There's too much of that from him.
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just hasn't hit what I don't like is that he is?
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: I mean he gets some timely steals and there's some nights where he racks up the stat column and have five steals, but consistently Right, he can beat off the dribble.
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and he, he's only so he can only do so much defensively for you.
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: And he's only one guy, and there's there's several others that that are also have their faults, and just that's really what?
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have the guys man, but you don't have Bob Miller needs to be more aggressive.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: He hasn't shown that aggressiveness yet.
• 6:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you saw the first play of the game.
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: That's why I liked the.
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: I mean they went straight to him.
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: He had a three.
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they switched and had the net riled up, but that's it.
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: He go, he just goes away.
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: Offense is only part of it, man.
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: Like that's.
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: There's too many guys that on the defensive end are.
• 6:42
  Speaker 2: Just you know, there's no download presence, there's no rim protector.
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: Is that?
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: Because they just, it seems they just like switching everything and there's no nuance to this defense now.
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: No, I think they just don't have the personnel.
• 6:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't.
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think Ganey can do it Athletically yeah.
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: He's like.
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  Speaker 1: He is like the old dude at the Y.
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just doesn't have it anymore.
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not his fault, he's had some bad injury, yeah Right.
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, you know, bob up late and I like this team.
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: I like this team especially well.
• 7:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe I like this team a lot because of what I saw last year, but I tell you what I really like, what I'm seeing from Jameer Watkins.
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: Let's try to focus on some positive here.
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, five minutes for the Jameer Watkins 18 points, eight rebounds.
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: Highlights.
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: Highlights like why recruiting and all of that is a crap shoot at times, man, because you know you sign this kid instead of Matt Cleveland and hindsight.
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, maybe you're a different team man, exactly.
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: And you know everybody would have.
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: You know they would have done double takes at you, man.
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: So you're out of your mind to not sign to Matthew Cleveland coming out of high school.
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: Instead, go for Jameer Watkins.
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: It was you know what a two star, three star, whatever, but I mean he's already.
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: He's been here for not a full season, but he's a better fit man.
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you do whatever you can to keep him, to keep him back and get him back.
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to get him back, but you have to get some inside presence because you gotta get everything you rely.
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so the there's no.
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: Lerner and Hamilton Needs to have a rim protector for his Right junkyard defense.
• 8:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you're gonna play defense, you gonna, yes, exactly, protect your, yeah, gotta have a swat blocker and they don't have one.
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: They have an Ivy League guy who's on like four or five knees already.
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's, he's.
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: You know, he's very limited because of the and you have a Baba Miller guy who's very passive and Still not right, learning to grow into his himself.
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: Well, he plays like a guard.
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: I know, but he is not and then you hear him talk on the on the broadcast.
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was a guard and then he had a growth spurt and grew like eight inches.
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: You know he was a guy that was six two, six three and that's how he plays the game.
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's six foot eleven and you know, at times you've seen him this year that he uses that size and he was Dominant in a couple games earlier, but it's just gone away right as the season's gone on and I mean yeah he grew up playing your ball man and he's a guard and he's six eleven.
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: Keep shooting.
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, keep shooting, keep shooting and work on your skills, like that.
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: But you did like work on To think that he's gonna go to the NBA and I get it man.
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but and you hear people, you know when and what is it Randolph children's everybody talking about.
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: You know, oh, nba scouts are looking at him in and all dude, no, I get it.
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: He's six foot eleven.
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  Speaker 2: He can do some things that guys that that size can't really do.
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: But he struggles against D1 competition.
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: You know like nobody's gonna like you may put him in the D League to see if he can develop he hasn't developed a dominant three-point shot.
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: No, there's no dominant three-point.
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: There's nothing he do great offensively nothing.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: He's not times he can get physical and take, yeah, yeah.
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah with, and any plays a Lot like the guards for Florida State play.
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: If he's shooting, at times he can get to the rim, but he's far from certainty.
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: I that the thing is, man, if you're gonna, if you're gonna continue to have, you know, lapses and offense at all that like you got, I still have that defense and they just don't bring it defensively, mmm, like they used to.
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they get steals and everything, but there's no rim protector.
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: Well, there's no shooters.
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you saw tonight.
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: That was the difference.
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: The game chase Hunter, joseph Gerard, third, Both those guys.
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he managed to get to the free-throw line.
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know I would do it.
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: Hunter tonight was the wild card.
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: He was on fire.
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: He had, he had a couple threes over, nothing but net and then he had the and one where he just like lolly, popped it into the rim.
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean he was on fire tonight, but like where is that ever on the season?
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: I've been watching FSU all year.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: There's nobody capable of that outside of Watkins.
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: That that's about the only guy that can.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: You gotta walk in guy that's been doing everything because of necessity, because you have a bunch of like guys, that right it just.
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't be relied upon, you don't really have a point, you well, you don't really have a point right upon assistant.
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: You don't have a distributor.
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: You know talent.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like a Bob-O-Miller.
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: I Mean he's doing better.
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: I mean the 12.
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: I like what the 12 rebounds are, you know.
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, six rebounds, he's Six.
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: Reason he's being a better rebounder.
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: But he needs to improve on that and needs to be more aggressive offensively.
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: He's got to be more aggressive, he.
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: He's being too passive.
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just gonna be a wing player.
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: He's a big wing, he's not gonna give you any physical presence.
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: I mean it just it's frustrating, man.
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: I know there's not much sorrow, we're forcing it.
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: Man, there's some misses.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: We're really forcing it, we're forcing the shot right now on the team.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: I love Florida State basketball.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: It's like I love it man, I've been going to these games, I've been watching Hamilton.
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: To sum it up, they're just not good.
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: His whole career been coming to the games.
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: Ever since nobody could hear him, he was yelling Thunderball Anthony.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've circled back to that point where it's just, you know, I don't think we're bare, yet no.
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: No, I don't, we're already close.
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: Actually, last year was the worst season of all time.
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is definitely another team right along the lines of the Mike Matthews and the Nigel Dixon those years.
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: This is the same kind of team, oh man.
• 13:29
  Speaker 1: The NIT Sports Center highlights, though, as AS1.
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was a fun game, man yeah.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what the goal was this year for me is to get the NIT.
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's still attainable, but it's also very much not a certainty.
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: No, not at all Like you can't, it's not at all and it's going to be in.
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: The next game is 9 o'clock on Tuesday night against.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: NC State Right, and that's a guy that's coaching for his job, kevin Keats.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nc State, like most of the ACC, like FSU, is just trying to make the postseason.
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: Like they're not going to make the tournament.
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: Nope, yeah, we had to go.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: It says something like I get it, man, like I think that the ACC is better in basketball than they get credit for, but it's definitely down.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: It's hard to um you know why yeah, it's hard to point to anything else than then money, then the contracts, man Money, it all trickles down.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the big bucks money.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Oh Good yeah, we know that.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: We look at what the SEC and basketball is done.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Since I am over the ACC.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: Look at the ACC in basketball.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not even sure it's in.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: I am as much as it is.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: See was everything in basketball.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: They were the, the attraction.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Attraction you lost in guys, I know.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: But like, okay, you know you also lost the money.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: And then left because they knew the money was gone and they were getting old well, they're getting old, they can't, they can't pay staff.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: What?
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: What the other conferences can write?
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: in basketball and in baseball.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: These Do you conference affiliations this money, no, no no, no, nil is gonna be affected a lot more easily, because you know why it's a, you got five guys in basketball and you got nine guys in baseball right and you got 22 in football.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Well, and the thing in basketball is, like you know, these colleges are paying these a you coaches, right?
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: All right, man, cuz these kids are gonna listen to whatever the a you coach is telling them like you're gonna go here, man, yeah, man, you won't go to Kentucky, they're gonna develop you, all right, well, I'm just gonna listen to him right.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Like all of a sudden, like all of a sudden, people are looking at Miami.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: No, but in basketball now.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: No, I have to have money to get transfers or to get anybody to make that.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and either you're gonna compete or not.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: All right, you'll find out who is and who isn't real fast and we'll do it where we add to it and we're talking next time.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: It'll be us right here on the North Forest Forest now.