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Why these 10,000 women don't want to date you · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Okay, hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. I'm
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  Speaker 1: here with Alison. My name is Brian, and this is
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  Speaker 1: maintaining frame ten why these ten thousand women don't want
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  Speaker 1: to date you. We're gonna be looking at another medium,
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  Speaker 1: blog by one Desiree.
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  Speaker 2: Peralta, such a promising name.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh yeah, we're gonna be reacting to this
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  Speaker 1: in case you're wondering why you'd never get a second date.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like I haven't read this article, but it
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  Speaker 1: seems like the women are not okay and they're blaming
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  Speaker 1: the men for it. I'm just saying, I'm just noticing,
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  Speaker 1: like there's a lot of sour grapes out here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's excessively sour grapes, right, unless you're into
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  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. I don't know, sour grape fetish. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: into sour grapes. I mean just humiliation kinks. Maybe there
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  Speaker 2: are extreme sour things kinks, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe like you load up.
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  Speaker 2: On lemonheads or something, do do something with that. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what you would. Okay, I went into a
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  Speaker 2: weird little rabbit hole. Yeah before we begin, Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 2: to find out more about the things that we talk
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  Speaker 2: about and my various frameworks for analyzing stuff. And I
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  Speaker 2: put this thing through my framework as well, and it
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  Speaker 2: came back with dumb. This is dumb, but we'll read
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  Speaker 2: it anyway because it needs to be. It needs to
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  Speaker 2: be understood it. I'll put it that way. It needs
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  Speaker 2: to be. It needs to be understood, and then it
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  Speaker 2: needs to be atomized, all of it, all of the
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  Speaker 2: bullshit in it needs to be atomized. It needs to
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  Speaker 2: be ground into a fine powder. All right, I'll hand
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  Speaker 2: it back to you, Brian.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So.
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  Speaker 1: Before we launched into this, I did get a super
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  Speaker 1: chow that I didn't read out from the other day
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  Speaker 1: on the seventeenth, so a few days ago.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know when the best time to read it was,
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  Speaker 3: so I thought I'd just read it now.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a super chow for five dollars by
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  Speaker 1: comment for an old X space about inverted roles in
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  Speaker 1: dating market in the x base stream on the dating
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  Speaker 1: market from February of twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, that was a long time ago.
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  Speaker 1: Brian reviews the story where women pay money to tend
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  Speaker 1: singles events, whereas men can attend for free. However, even
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  Speaker 1: with free attendants, these events find zero men attending. It's
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  Speaker 1: pretty funny because I remember seeing a similar story out
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  Speaker 1: from China where women paid the equivalent of thousands of
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  Speaker 1: dollars to attend these types of events, only to find
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  Speaker 1: zero men showed up. I think Simone and Malcolm covered this,
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  Speaker 1: though I have not yet listened to their podcast on it,
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  Speaker 1: and then includes the link to it. This seems to
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  Speaker 1: be a worldwide phenomenon. Perhaps when life gets too comfortable
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  Speaker 1: as a country develops, women activate their biological poison pill
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  Speaker 1: and their hypergamy goes heywire, leading men to just go, eh, fuck.
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  Speaker 3: It, I'm going my own way, all right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to say anything, Well,
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  Speaker 1: it seems sort of related to what we're doing.
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  Speaker 2: But oh yeahs it is definitely related, And I would
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  Speaker 2: say that my contribution to this is I think it's
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  Speaker 2: that women are in what I call an oxytocin generalist
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  Speaker 2: mode in which they don't have their V one A,
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  Speaker 2: which is bassippress and cross active. So what that means
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  Speaker 2: for asuppress and receptors cross activated. So what that means
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  Speaker 2: in effect is that they stay in this state of
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  Speaker 2: affiliative warmth but very shallow relationships without any want for
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  Speaker 2: a specific partner. And there's a lot of other stuff
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  Speaker 2: that is problematic with this, but I would say that's
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  Speaker 2: what's happening. And the way this is kind of like
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  Speaker 2: a model. It has a actual animal model for it,
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  Speaker 2: which means it likely does show up in humans. Because
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  Speaker 2: our endocrinology is very conservative. We don't just invent new
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  Speaker 2: endocrine architecture. We tend to inherit it from previous ancestors
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  Speaker 2: of our species, so it's it's most likely we have
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  Speaker 2: this as well. In order to have V one A
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  Speaker 2: act pros to cross activation, so that's when oxytocin binds
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  Speaker 2: to vasappress and receptors, and vasuppress is the male bonding hormone.
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  Speaker 2: In order to have that, women need to be in
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  Speaker 2: a state of stress, some kind of survival threat. So
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  Speaker 2: that has been the case throughout all of human history.
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  Speaker 2: There's always been a situation either that you know, you
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  Speaker 2: have to get crop off or you starve, or there's
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  Speaker 2: predators or something that has enabled women to have that
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  Speaker 2: cross activation and now it's gone. So in essence, women
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  Speaker 2: are way too comfortable, way too comfortable. And because they're
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  Speaker 2: so comfortable, they don't have the desire to actually get
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  Speaker 2: a partner to you know, weather the storms, the slings
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  Speaker 2: and arrows of outrageous fortune. It's just they just want
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  Speaker 2: to sit there and they want to enjoy. Well, actually
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  Speaker 2: they don't really want to enjoy anything, because they're more
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  Speaker 2: miserable than ever. They just want to sit there and
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  Speaker 2: not be challenged anyway. And and pair bonding is a challenge.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you got to get out of your comfort zone.
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  Speaker 2: You have to care about another human being. You sort
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  Speaker 2: of have tojust to them, you know, you have to.
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  Speaker 2: You have to do ritual combat every bull moon over
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  Speaker 2: the remote control, that kind of thing. And women don't
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  Speaker 2: want to do it when they're in that oxytosin generalization,
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  Speaker 2: general generalist mode. They just want to float around, uh,
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  Speaker 2: being affiliated, being warm, having shallow relationships, casual sex, doing
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of social ostracization. And as Brian puts a
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  Speaker 2: call of duty on for women on social media where
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  Speaker 2: they destroy people, and yeah, that's that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not just like affiliated warmth oxytosin generalists also
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  Speaker 2: are really really vicious to out groups. So that's another
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  Speaker 2: thing that they're sort of doing ironically ironically anyway, So
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  Speaker 2: that I would say that that's really what we're at.
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  Speaker 2: Women are too comfortable. They need to be less comfortable.
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  Speaker 2: And if they're not less comfortable, you're not going to
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  Speaker 2: get that B one a cross activation. You're not to
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  Speaker 2: get that specificity. You're not going to get that desire
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  Speaker 2: to partner up, the desire to have something of your own,
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  Speaker 2: the desire to actually act like an individual rather than
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  Speaker 2: a node in a social network. So yeah, that's where
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  Speaker 2: I would say we're at, And if you're interested, I
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  Speaker 2: talk about it more Dead Badger Nation dot online. I
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  Speaker 2: like to put my stuff up in a community because
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  Speaker 2: I'm also a woman. I guess all right, okay, okay
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  Speaker 2: of a.
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  Speaker 1: Sort okay, yeah, tech on paper, I got a rumble
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  Speaker 1: rant and then we'll start the article. So Nova Fan
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  Speaker 1: twenty one gave us a dollar on Rumble and says
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  Speaker 1: rejected title ten thousand women admit a low effort chat
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  Speaker 1: bot is out competing them for male attention. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: now the article in case you're wondering why you never
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  Speaker 1: got a second date. Okay, a woman on TikTok, here,
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  Speaker 1: we're off to a great start. Right off the back.
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  Speaker 1: A woman on TikTok asked a simple question, what happened
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  Speaker 1: on a date that made you never talk to that
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  Speaker 1: man again? She probably expected a few funny stories, maybe
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  Speaker 1: some awkward moments, the usual dating horror stories people share
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  Speaker 1: for laughs. But over one thousand women replied, and it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't funny. The responses showed the same behaviors over and
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  Speaker 1: over again, the same red flags, the same moments where
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  Speaker 1: women knew immediately they would never see that man again.
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  Speaker 1: And when you see the same problems repeated hundreds of times,
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  Speaker 1: it stops being about bad luck, as some people want
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  Speaker 1: to make you believe, and it becomes a pattern. So
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  Speaker 1: I went through see these responses, looked at what women said,
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  Speaker 1: which behaviors came up again and again, and what made
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  Speaker 1: them walk away? And here's what I found.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, can I just get in here verse second?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely data, but data coat cuts both ways.
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  Speaker 2: M So let's let's continue, all right. It could be
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  Speaker 2: very revealing of things that may not want to be revealed.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps they don't want or this woman doesn't want to reveal,
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  Speaker 2: so let's find out. Let's see what this reveals, all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, m.
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  Speaker 1: This was one of the most common responses. A woman
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  Speaker 1: asked a guy, what do you do for a living?
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  Speaker 1: What I think was a normal first daid question that
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  Speaker 1: everyone asks when they're getting to know someone, and he said,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't an interview. His response was hostile and defensive,
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  Speaker 1: like she'd ask something inappropriate. Dozens of women shared similar stories,
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  Speaker 1: not just with that exact question, but with any question
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  Speaker 1: about his life. Where are you from? Why does that matter?
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  Speaker 1: So like their question would be where are you from?
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  Speaker 1: His response would be why does that matter? Their question
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  Speaker 1: would be what do you like to do for fun?
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  Speaker 1: And he would say are you interrogating me? Do you
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  Speaker 1: have any siblings? You ask a lot of questions. These
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  Speaker 1: men treated basic conversation like an attack, like asking them
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  Speaker 1: anything about themselves was invasive or suspicious, and women recognize
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  Speaker 1: it immediately for.
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  Speaker 3: What it was a red flag? Okay, do you want to.
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  Speaker 2: Well? Okay, So if your date is not completely transparent
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  Speaker 2: with you and doesn't reveal the answer to all of
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  Speaker 2: your questions, that's a red flag. All right. I just
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  Speaker 2: want you to put a pin in this because I
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  Speaker 2: think that this is going to become like this, this
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  Speaker 2: standard that a man be completely transparent, this standard, it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna it's gonna come up again, but in reverse. I'm
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  Speaker 2: pretty sure if I recall correctly, Well, because yeah, we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna be encountering a what do you call it? Double standard?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I am so Well, I'll just just keep going.
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  Speaker 1: I have some some thoughts are going through my head
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  Speaker 1: or already like not not necessarily positions.
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  Speaker 2: Blame down, all right? One thought?
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay, so one number one. When someone, when a
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  Speaker 1: woman on social media, or a woman in a conversation
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  Speaker 1: or in a group or in some kind of setting
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of other women, asks a question like
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  Speaker 1: that you know, or a question that invites other women
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  Speaker 1: to have to share a story, every woman feels compelled
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  Speaker 1: to share a story, and inevitably they all try to
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  Speaker 1: top each other on top of that. So I'm not
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  Speaker 1: saying that they're lying. I'm not saying that. But what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying is only the people who I want to
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  Speaker 1: contribute to the storytelling session that's happening are going to
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  Speaker 1: and so they're all going to have something to share
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  Speaker 1: because they're all trying to like be a part of that,
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  Speaker 1: but they're also trying to compete in a way for
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  Speaker 1: who has the story, who has the worst experience, who's
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  Speaker 1: the one that everyone's going to remember. It reminds me
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  Speaker 1: of when we were going we were sort of like
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  Speaker 1: looking at all these like protests that were going on
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  Speaker 1: in college campuses around you know, twenty eighteen, twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: around there, and there were all these protests and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: they would have like these I don't know, they were
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  Speaker 1: like sit ins, right, and they'd have all this the
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  Speaker 1: protesting students would be there and they would pass a
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  Speaker 1: megaphone to each student to let them say their peace.
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  Speaker 1: And because they were doing this in this like way
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  Speaker 1: where they were sharing conversation, all of the women and
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  Speaker 1: it was like mostly women at these protests, they were
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  Speaker 1: all trying to like contribute a story to support whatever
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  Speaker 1: it was they were protesting, whether it was rape culture
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  Speaker 1: on college campuses or you know whatever, right, fascism rising,
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  Speaker 1: And of course they all had a story that was
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  Speaker 1: more impactful, more intense, and more powerful and more emotionally
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  Speaker 1: charged than the last one, because that's their way of contributing.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if they say, well, I was expecting
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  Speaker 1: a few funny replies, but I got thousands of women.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, well, yeah, of course, because they all want
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  Speaker 1: to be a part of that. Now they see like
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  Speaker 1: a place where they can connect with other women. So
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  Speaker 1: they're all trying to like add to the pile. And
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  Speaker 1: they might say something hyperbolic or exaggerated or downplay this
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  Speaker 1: or that doesn't matter. The point is to get in
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  Speaker 1: at the ground level and have something to add to
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  Speaker 1: it and hopefully be one of the ones that has
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  Speaker 1: the most unforgettable thing because it has like a there's
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  Speaker 1: like a social currency that comes with it. It's attention,
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  Speaker 1: it's sympathy, it's you know, likes whatever. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that on the one hand, that's the first thing that
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  Speaker 1: comes to mind, is there's something about that that for
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  Speaker 1: me raises the red flag. The other thing is I
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  Speaker 1: think that I understand why men would be a bit
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  Speaker 1: defensive about those questions because they're probably you know, like
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  Speaker 1: there's probably a lot of vulnerability and sharing like what
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  Speaker 1: you do for a living or where you are from,
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  Speaker 1: and they have seen the way women treat men online
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  Speaker 1: who don't measure up in some way, so they're probably
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  Speaker 1: going to be more guarded against women in general because
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  Speaker 1: they're aware of the potential social hostility that goes on
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  Speaker 1: on the internet. So yeah, I think that when a
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  Speaker 1: guy says this isn't an interview when asked what do
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  Speaker 1: you do for a living? The guy is reading that,
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  Speaker 1: in many cases likely as are you going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to support me? You know, like, are you like
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  Speaker 1: and high enough on the earning scale? You know from
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  Speaker 1: what I imagine you should be making, you know two?
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  Speaker 3: That's worth my time?
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  Speaker 1: And so the man is like, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: share this information right now because I want to get
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  Speaker 1: to know this person before we start talking about that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So that's where that's what my gut tells me just
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  Speaker 1: right off the bat.
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  Speaker 2: Well, but also honestly, she's just laid her cars on
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  Speaker 2: the table. I mean, if he went out and he said, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so what's your WAISTE measurement? What would her response page?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, how much do you weigh? Right?
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  Speaker 2: How much do you weigh right? You know, what does
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  Speaker 2: your mom look like? Can I see a picture of her?
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  Speaker 2: I want to know what I'm marrying in thirty years, right? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know it's just if they if a man says
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  Speaker 2: these things. I mean, you can probably tell some of
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  Speaker 2: it from from her looks, but the mom think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you give me a picture of your mom, what does
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  Speaker 2: she look like? Before I determine whether I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to I'm gonna spend any more time with you.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to turn into?
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, what you're going to turn into? I mean
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  Speaker 2: it's just as like callous as what they're saying. So
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  Speaker 2: you've already set the tone of the entire encounter. You're
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  Speaker 2: not interested in a companion, You're interested in an asset, ladies,
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  Speaker 2: So you come up, you know, you're having your date,
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  Speaker 2: and you're like, are you a financial asset that's worth
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  Speaker 2: my time? Right? Because if you're not, you're not worth
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  Speaker 2: my time? Right? And good lord? Like if and I
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  Speaker 2: know that I'm a woman, so I can't really answer this,
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  Speaker 2: but if I were a man in that scenario, I'd
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  Speaker 2: be like, okay, goodbye, right, Like, yeah, no, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: interested in that. I'm not interested in somebody who regards
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  Speaker 2: me as a financial asset, first and foremost, because that
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  Speaker 2: kind of person also doesn't want to build anything with you, right,
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  Speaker 2: They want you to come pre made so they can
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  Speaker 2: destroy you. That's what you know, that's why. That's uh.
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  Speaker 2: They insist women like this, insist on that they want
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  Speaker 2: you to come pre made so they can extract, right,
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  Speaker 2: so they can extract from you. So right there, she
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  Speaker 2: has indicated what she's about. Okay, presumably if the man
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  Speaker 2: is dating, he's probably at least somewhat solvent, right because
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  Speaker 2: usually it takes a lot of money, so you don't
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  Speaker 2: even need to ask that. But that's what they're doing.
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  Speaker 2: They're setting the tone. So essentially, what we are listening
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  Speaker 2: to is the the opinions of a bunch of extractive,
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  Speaker 2: possible narcissists. Like maybe maybe some of them are just
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  Speaker 2: doing it because their girlfriends are doing it, but really
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  Speaker 2: that and again you notice how this is framed as
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  Speaker 2: something the men are doing. We just skip over the
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  Speaker 2: fact that a woman plops her ass down and the
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  Speaker 2: first thing out of her mouth is are you a
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  Speaker 2: financial asset that I can extract from? And nobody's like wait, wait, wait, wait, right,
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  Speaker 2: what tone does that set? Okay? I mean, you don't
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  Speaker 2: even spend the time just to get to know him first,
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  Speaker 2: and then maybe you know, infer you know or or
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  Speaker 2: anything like that. That's not the first step is to
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  Speaker 2: determine whether or not you have any kind of resonance. No,
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  Speaker 2: the first step is this gait I right, are you?
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  Speaker 2: Are you a sufficient financial asset for my portfolio? Now
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  Speaker 2: one of the guys are responding with this isn't an interview,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Like this is disgusting behavior, And then the women are like,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: oh my god, how dare how dare you have an
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: opinion about me objectifying him as a financial asset. And
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: yet if he sat down and said, show me a
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: picture of my mom, I want to know what I'm
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: going to get in thirty years, and then you do,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, no, goodbye. Yeah, everybody on the internet,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: like the Internet, would rise up in holy rage to
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: smite this man. And yet it's exactly the same ANTICI
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: you are an asset first and foremost, not a person.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: An asset, and I'm determining whether you're sufficient for my
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: continued investment in you, because what I'm interested in isn't
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: you as a person, but what I can get out
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: of you financially. Right, Okay, that's my thoughts. So but
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: nobody nobody's like, yeah, consider what you just said to him.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe he's responding to something.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, more like be curious about like if there
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: is if you get defensiveness, maybe like ask yourself, like
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: does he had a bad experience that jet you know,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: validates that Maybe just maybe just pump the brakes on
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the interrogation and just relax and sit down and chat
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: with him about something else and maybe or let him.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Drive the conversation.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, Yeah, well, I mean a
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: lot there's a lot of like this sort of female
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: dating strategy floating around, and I think men know what
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: exists and there they probably have the guard up.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, but here's the other thing, Like what you
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: lead with matters. You don't have to end up marrying
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: the dude, But if you lead with getting to know him,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, that's that indicates something about
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: your values and what you value and whether or not
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: you're offering actual companionship more than extraction. And like I said,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you if you uh, I don't know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: if he doesn't measure up and financially, after you've gotten
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: to note him, you don't have to marry him, but
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: at least you are putting the most important thing first,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: you know, necessary but not sufficient. I have to actually
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: like the guy. It's a better it's a better way
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: to start than this. Okay, let's let's keep going, all.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Right, So.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Let's see because because if a man gets defensive about
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: answering normal questions on a first date, what's he hiding?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Why is he so uncomfortable with basic getting to know
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: you conversation? And more importantly, if he's this hostile when
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: you're trying to connect with him, what's he going to
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: be like in an actual relationship? Well, probably connected if
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: you if you, if it turns into a relationship, you
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: you'd expect his guard to be less down over time.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Not well, that's what I mean, more down. I meant
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: to say that he'd be.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Less guarded less Yeah, less guarded, less guarded.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Over time because he's getting to know you.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: So yeah, they don't.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: It seems like they just.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Want to problematize like this whole situation, you know, because
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: they don't like the way men are reacting, like they're
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: not just like rolling over and showing their bellies.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I guess, well, actually they aren't. It's not that men
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: aren't rolling over and showing their bellies because having your
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: guard up is a natural reaction to being in the
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: company of a state if you have something to guard.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: If you don't have something to guard, you are a
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: sociopath and your only interest in the woman in front
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: of you is how quickly you can fucker and dumper, right,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: that's if you are. If you come on really strong
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: with that kind of it's called the sociopathic personality. You know,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: you have that kind of focus and charm, that is
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: actually a red flag if.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: You're it's a good point if you're not, like a
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: person who's completely not guarded and they just.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Answer every question.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Probably lying.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's probably some cause for concern there.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the other thing is that if a guy
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: is like you, ask are you a financial asset?
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: It probably would find that a red flag too. There's
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: probably like another article by the same person. Oh no,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: they don't opposite.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: No, okay, no they don't. They for they have not
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: figured it out yet. All of their exes or psychopaths
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: and narciss this, but they have not figured this out yet.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: They haven't they haven't figured out that they are actually
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: kating for sociopath by excluding men who are awkward, who
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: don't want to don't want to respond to intrusive questions,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: who would prefer to create rapport before they answer questions
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: that require a certain amount of trust. This is the
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: behavior of men who have something to defend, which means
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: they have the ability to bond with a woman. Okay,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: what these women are selecting for is men who are
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: there and they don't give a flying fuck about her,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: right they don't. They don't have They have no vulnerability
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: because they have no attachment and they are not going
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: to attach. You see what I'm saying. Like a normal
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: guy has a vulnerability in that he might get attached
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: to this woman and become vulnerable to the chaos that
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: she might bring or the extraction that she might bring
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: because he's gotten attached to her because he has affection
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: for her, because he's normal. But a sociopath or even
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: a narcissist does not have that vulnerability because they are
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: not going to attach to the woman. Okay, and that's
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: why the behavior is substantially different. But unfortunately for these women,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: the behavior of sociopaths, the personality type of a sociopath
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: is more attractive. And again, this is the gate right here,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: This is the gate we're seeing. This is the gate
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: that they choose that specifically selects for sociopaths and narcissists.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: And yes, I know it's antisocial personality disorder. I'm just
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: giving you a sociopath because goddamn, that is a freaking long,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: freaking phrase. So sociopaths and narcissists, this right out of
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the gate. This article is basically how we keep selecting
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: for sociopaths and narcissists. We select against men who are
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: in any way reserved because they might have something to lose.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Case we are selecting for men who have nothing to
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: lose because they're not offering anything. Everything is going they're
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: going to arrange everything to be one way from her
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: to him. But you know, go ahead with your bad selves,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: keep racking up those narcissist narcissist exes and never learning.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: All right, shall we continue?
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Yes? All right.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: One woman said she asked the guy what kind of
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: music he liked, and he told her he was being
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: nosy or she was being nosy. It was just music preferences.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: For the love of God, that's what you considered too
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: personal to share.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Also one one guy, one woman, and you're just sort
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: of taking her word for it. That's that seems a
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: little bit like beyond the pale, but it's also apparently
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: just one case so or maybe he was like what
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: was the tone?
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Did he say, hey, you're being.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Nosy, like just like jokie or was he like serious,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: like then you just like okay, get out of there, you.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Know, uh okay.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: But also has he heard about all of the political
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: tests around yeah exactly.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: If he said, well, I like, you know Warren or
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Warren Buffett, No, not Warren Buffett, Jimmy Buffett. Warren Buffett's
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the billionaire. I like Jimmy Buffett or you know, fucking.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Johnny Buffett's Johnny Rotten.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: You know, then they probably like, oh he's you know, right,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: said Fred.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know, some like based.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Group, Yeah, yeah something. Yeah, everything is political. So if
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: do you have enough female musicians in your playlist?
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Listen to Taylor Swift.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: When women politicized literally fucking everything, it it men start
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to become more reticent about a lot of aspects of
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: their of their personal interests, like I don't even this
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: sounds like a freaking nightmare to me, like the dating
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: just and it's entirely on women's fault because they keep
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: making these ridiculous public spectacles of themselves, and they're ridiculous expectations.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I am one hundred and ten percent on
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: the side of men at this point. I don't know
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: if you guys have noticed. Every time I like open
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: up and I like, look at well, what are the
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: women do? Oh fucking good lord, I think, Oh, it
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: can't get lower. No, no, they find another level to
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: dig to. But yeah, so he might be dealing with
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the fact that he knows the song your music taste
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: is now on the ick list, or the you're complicit
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: with creating the hand Maid's Tail, Handmaid's Tale or some
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: other thing. Right, So, not only is he having to
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: deal with I don't being somewhat suave on a date,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: he now has to think to himself, Oh, crap, am
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I going to be a TikTok? Am I going to
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: be put on a TikTok right? And is this what
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: is this the ultimate end here of this encounter? She's
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: gonna like swipe out her phone and start videoing and
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: being like, oh, look at this guy. He doesn't have
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: any female saw he doesn't have any female musicians in
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: his song list, or some crap like you you know
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: that happens too women turning their dates into relational web
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: content to giggle over with other women. And it's you know,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: and I could see men being like, you know what,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't even want to play that. So
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: you're you're running out of topics to actually talk about.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's the gen x or gen zers that
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: are dealing with this, right, You're running out of topics
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: because you keep politicizing them. Ladies like everything I want
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: children that's political? What kind of songs I like that's political?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Where I went to school that's political?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: What what I vote? That's definitely political? All right? If
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: he has any opinions about anything that's political, he's not
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: allowed that, right, So what do you talk about? I
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: don't even like? What do you guys talk about on dates?
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Do you just like exchange AI slop? Are you just
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: you just you don't even talk to each other? You
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: just have an AI translation device? And then that's how
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: it works at this point. Who knows? Anyway, Let's keep going,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: all right?
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Uh? Okay. Another asked where a guy worked, and he
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: accused her of only caring about money. She wasn't asking
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: how much she made, she was asking where he worked,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: but he turned into something. It wasn't.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Everybody knows what you're doing. Ladies don't even bother hiding it.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Oh oh my god, I think its because I cared
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: about like that. I just want to know if you
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: had any prospects.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't care really about at all. I mean nobody,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: nobody buys it when you play innocent on these questions. Okay,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: let's keep going, all right.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Uh, And that's what these men did. They turned basic
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: questions into judgments. They acted like normal conversation was suspicious
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: or invasive, making the woman not want to continue getting
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: to know him, because if you can't have a normal
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: conversation on a first date, there's no point in a
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: second one.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: So you notice that when when women feel like they're
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: being judged, they don't have to demonstrate any evidence that
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: they are being judged. They can just say that they
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: are feeling judged and therefore they're being judged. But when
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: men behave that way, they're the ones that are suspect.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know, it's like, this is so exhausting
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: to be like pointing out double standards, but you see that, right,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: guys that are watching, if a man is feeling uncomfortable
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: about a certain conversation. Then the problem is not that
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: there might be some reason for that that justifies there
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: at least like a conversation that could take place.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: The problem is is.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: That that suspicion the man has makes the women feel judged,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and when the re reverse it, it's still the women
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: being judged. It's like the women being judged no matter
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: what you know. And that's also the problem, because you
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: could never have an opinion on women, like you can't
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: have one at all, because it's all judgment, and judgment
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: is bad when it's affecting women. Judgment is necessary when
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: it comes to men. We need to be able to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: figure out which ones are evil, which is almost all
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: of them.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: So of course, because they're selecting for them. Yeah, you've
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: literally constructed a filter that filters out normal men and
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: in sociopaths and narcissist. Congratulations, and then you complain that
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: that's what you get. Well, you're selecting for that, right,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: And then you're like, oh, why are all men evil? Oh?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I wonder, I wonder?
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so now the second the next question,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I had a guy ask me, does anyone know you're here?
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: I haven't been on a date since. A woman was
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: on a first date.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: This is again one anecdote, so I don't know if
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of ease, but a woman was on
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: a first date. Everything seemed fine, they were talking, having dinner,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: normal date stuff, and then he asked, does anyone know
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: you're here? And she said she hasn't been on a
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: date since, because that one question made her realize how
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: vulnerable she was, how easily something could go wrong, how
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: one person could put her in danger. This one made
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: me very sad because I know many girls.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Have been in this position. Do you now multiple why.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Not only want? Okay? So wait, multiple women? What? Multiple
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: women said? What?
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Multiple women shared stories about men who said things that
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: made them feel unsafe, So not that specific line but
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: other stuff, but that specific line. And this is again
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: we're all assuming that all of this this is true,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Like we don't know if people are women are just
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: lying because again, remember when I said earlier on that
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: there's like a kind of I don't know what you
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: would even call it, but they're engaging in a social
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: ritual of sharing stories, and everyone involved in the ritual.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Has to like try to outdo the last one.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: So they got to add, they got to do their
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: own story, and it's a little bit more salacious, it's
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit more intense, it's a little bit more emotional,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit more you know, of whatever.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: It's just about topping the last person.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: So we have to accept that even in an environment
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: where that kind of storytelling is encouraged, where it's like,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: let's hear the next person and they're like out doing
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the last person, we also have to just pretend.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: As though all of this is true.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: And we have to also pretend as though this one
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: anecdote that made this one woman feel unsafe, and all
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: the other anecdotes that she's gonna bring up of different
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: men with different women who had different comfort levels were also.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Made to feel unsafe.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: But we're gonna make all of those other feelings of
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: unsafety equal to this one because this is the example.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Do you see what I'm saying? Am I like rambling? Okay?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so one guy said this, And then she
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: says multiple women have shared stories about men who said
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: things that made them feel unsafe.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Could be anything.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Some of them were not overtly threatening, just enough to
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: trigger every instinct telling them to get out, but many
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: were so direct, like the one I put in the picture.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: So that's the only that's the most direct one, because
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: if there was anything more direct or threatening that would
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: have made it into the article.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: You see what I mean that.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: It made me question that what the guy's goal was
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: with that. Again, there's a lot of like implication, suggestion,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: no evidence, no nothing, just like oh maybe maybe sort of.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Could have, would have should have you.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, no no actual.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Kind of no substance.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: No substance, and making them feel safe, unsafe. Maybe he
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: said something like I expect you to pay your half
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: of the bill. That probably made them feel very unsafe. Yeah,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: like it. This is a meaningless Like all of that
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: you can just cut off and say, well that's meaningless.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: So she's left with this one dude who may have
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: been a predator. Well, here's the here's the thing. There
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: are male predators. There are doesn't mean anything, doesn't mean anything.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I can tell you that you are selecting for them.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: So by that first one, by saying, oh, a guy
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: who's a little bit hesitant or or doesn't want to
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: reveal too much about himself, you know that that's a
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: guy who is a red flag. Literally he's demonstrating he
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: has something to lose, which means he has the ability
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: to attach to you. So men who have the ability
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: to attach are automatically red flagged. But also you found
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: what may be a legitimate predator, if he wasn't just
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: incredibly autistic in trying to ensure that she was safe somehow,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: like like if she was going to go home, she's
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: gonna walk home by herself. Maybe he said, did anybody
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: know where you are? Right as in, don't you know
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: be careful because something might happen while you walk home
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: or you drive home or something like. Maybe he's actually
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: asking after her safety. But if he isn't, if he's
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: genuinely trying to see if she's isolated for whatever predatorial
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: thing he wants to do. That There are male predators, right,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's like maybe two percent of them in
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: the population. There's also a number of female predators probably
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: a little higher than that. What's she gonna do? What
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: does this have to do with the rest of men?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: What does this have to do with the fact that
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: these women have decided to stop dating? Huh? Okay?
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: One woman said a guy kept asking her where she lived,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: not the general area, the exact address. When she refused
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to tell him, he got angry. He said she was
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: being paranoid and rude.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: She left.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Another said a guy suggested they go somewhere more private
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: on a first date. When she said she'd rather stay
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: at the restaurant, he called her uptight. She never saw
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: him again again.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: But like, why would you She never saw him again, Well,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: why would you?
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Well, there trying to suggest that these men should like
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: that men in general should not be doing this because
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: it can make women feel unsafe when the truth is
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: in some of these cases, depending on the man, these
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: questions probably worked out so like if it I guess
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying is if a man, if you're on
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: a date with someone, doesn't matter if it's a man
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: or woman, and they say something that you are not
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: comfortable with, then just state you're not comfortable with it
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: and then go from there. But that's not a condemnation
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: of like an entire group of people. That just means
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: it didn't work out there, because you could easily just
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: find in a different with different people that they would
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: find that completely acceptable. I mean, like, yeah, you come
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to my place, right, So I don't see why I
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: don't see what the point of this is if it
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: isn't simply to say man bad. Like men bad, and
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: here's why, because Okay, some of them have made some
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: women uncomfortable sometimes in a certain scenarios.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: You know, Okay, yes, I got youa Also, so if
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: he is made uncomfortable by her questions, like we covered
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: in the beginning, that's a problem. But if she's made uncomfortable,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: you know, that's a problem with him. Like do men
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: not have the right to feel uncomfortable if you're asking
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: them where they work? If you have the right to
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: feel uncomfortable if a man is asking where you live? Right,
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: those are two situations where you know you could show
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: up unannounced, right, and uh, both are both can create vulnerabilities.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: So why is it that a man can't be reticent
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: to share personal information? But if a man asks for
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: personal information, that makes him a predator. But if a
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: woman asked for personal information, that she's just entitled to
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: his transparency guys, and if he doesn't answer, that's a
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: red flag. So it's like a one way transparency. This
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: is the double standard I was talking about initially, And yeah,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I get what you're saying about. This is about man bad,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: because let's just assume for the sake of argument that
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: these men like this was the worst like this reflected
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: the worst intentions by these men, that they were generoan predators.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: All right, you didn't see them again? All right, then
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: that's over. Okay, the man made you uncomfortable, maybe was
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: engaging in predatorial behavior. You didn't see him again. That
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: is the end of that. Is it not right? There's
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: there's nothing more to take out of that. And what
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: they're what are you trying to say, Oh, guys don't
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: do that. Most men won't. Right, A guy who's probably
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable with we can hold where he works and what
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: he does. You know, it's like all your prying is
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: probably not the guy who's gonna be like, well, where
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: do you live? Are you alone tonight? Right? Can we
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: go somewhere private? Like like that? Those are two different guys.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Those are two different phenotypes. And I can tell you
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: that you are selecting for the second phenotype with the
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: much much more minority phenotype. By the way, get your
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: hand out of your pants, Margaret Atwood, you know the
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: tiny more minority phenotype. Well, you know the type of
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: guy would create a hand man in Maiden's Tail society
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: is like so few of them. But anyway, my point
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: is that the second phenotype is the one you're selecting
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: for with your first questions. He's probably gonna lie to you.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: First of all, Right, he doesn't care. A person a
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: man who's reticent cares.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he cares.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: He cares about telling the truth, and he cares about
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: not being in a position where he gets hurt, which
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: means he can get hurt, which means he's going to
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: offer something. He has something to offer. Right, So, if
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: you're if you're using that first flag and you're filtering
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: out all the men who can actually become a partner
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: for you, and then you're left with the sociopaths and
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: the narcissists, And then you get to the second point
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: where they're like, are you vulnerable? Are you in a
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: position where I can take advantage of you? Well, what
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: a surprise, right, you just selected for these men. But
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: also they have nothing to do with the phenotype that
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: you just selected out of right, Their behavior is very different. Okay,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: so it doesn't really like they're they're like you said,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: this is a man bad. You're exactly right. This lands
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: on some men engage in this predatory behavior, and we've
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: selected specifically for those men, and those men are engaging
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: in predatory behavior on dates with us. Therefore, something something
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: stop doing that men.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know where else it could
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: possibly lead. And I think another thing is it's basically
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, it isn't even really a message for men,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: it's a message for women. I think it's basically telling
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: women to avoid men. And I think it's a form
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: of mate suppression again or on the maide suppression, because
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: that's what women do. They basically tell other women to,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: you know, put themselves first, think of their safety, decenter
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: men in their life while they go ahead and center them.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Like you guys, you know about Alex Cooper right from
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: call her Daddy, the woman who makes nothing but endless
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: content about how other women should just like you know,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: never quit their ho fs and just bang dudes, but
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: also avoid them and like keep men, you know, like
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: don't center men and don't have kids and don't get married. Well,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: she's married and is pregnant now with a kid. Because
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: it doesn't apply to her, she's doing it to other women.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: It's her way of competing with them.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: And it's like the most insidious, you know, because it's
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: basically saying I'm your best friend, I'm the person you
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: can count on the most. I'm the one that knows
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: what's best for you. I'm here to help you. Don't
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: do anything that's gonna make you happy, stay miserable.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Don't look at what I'm doing though. Either.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, at least when men do it, they just tell
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: each other you're a loser. I mean, I don't think
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: it's a good way to do it, but you know,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: so anyway that it just made suppression. The way women
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: do it is more insidious than the way men do it.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Men just sort of, you know, insult each other's ability to.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Get laid or whatever.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: But it's a they do some No, Hassan Piker did that,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: like I'm saying, it is a thing that men do.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Like when the Pragmata controversy came out, Hassan Piker, the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: machines guy from our end credits, he said that why
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: would you losers that don't have any prospects, you know,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: allow yourselves to basically like get caught up in this
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: whole pragmatic controversy because it was a game where you're basically,
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: you know, taking care of an android little girl.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: It's like a little girl, you know.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: And the way that men like Hassan compete or some
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: of these Manisphere guys is they basically say, well, you're
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: never gonna be like as good at you know, getting
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: pussed as I am. And and that's sort of like
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: the way that some men engage in mate suppression is
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: they basically tear.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Other men down.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: But the way women do it is that they encourage
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: women and they they support them in destroying their lives
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: and telling them that it's just like what's best for them,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, often the ones engaging in mate suppression
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: aren't even having family. Yeah, Hassan doesn't have any he's
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: not married, he doesn't have kids. He's basically doing the
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: crab in a bucket thing. But Alex Cooper, she is
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: married and pregnant now, but still giving that advice to
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: other women in her audience.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: So of course, yeah, of course.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: So even this media article I think is aimed at women,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. You know, men aren't gonna run hit, so.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: No, it's aimed at this. It's apparently aimed at getting
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: women to choose sociopaths and narcissists.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, anyway, for whatever.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Freaking screwed up reason. Mm hmm, I should probably try
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: to swear less.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: One woman, that's okay, one woman said.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: The guy she was with kept commenting on how small
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: she was, how easy it would be to pick her up,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: how she wouldn't be able to fight him off if
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: she tried. He laughed when he said it, like it
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: was a joke. She didn't think it was funny. Well,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: actually no, it's kind of like teasing somebody for being small.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: But of course, if a woman's already primed to feel
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: unsafe by medium articles like this and like other stuff
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: she'ses online, than when a man jokes about a woman
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: being small smol, of course she's gonna feel uncomfortable. But
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's his fault. Another said a guy
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: got angry when she couldn't she wouldn't get in his car.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: They'd met at the restaurant. She had her own car,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: but he insisted on driving her home. When she refused,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: he accused her of not trusting him. She didn't trust him,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: and she was right not to, because women know that
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: safety comes first.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: That one bad decision.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, How do you have casual sex, then.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: You have to feel safe first.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. You
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: don't trust these men, but you allow them to insert
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: their penises inside you? Like, how does that happen here?
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: This is what's confusing me. When she refused, he accused
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: her of not trusting him. She didn't trust him, and
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: she was right not to. But you guys are having
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: casual sex. So are you not trusting the men that
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: you're having casual sex?
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: I guess it depends on what the man looks like, Alison.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess guess that the men.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: That sent up red flags in these in these comments,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: they weren't necessarily men that were doing something wrong. They
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: were men that did something while looking.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Wrong, yeah, or alternative or well, I mean it's not
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: just looks.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just be like you're attractive or whatever. You know,
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: the pheromones weren't.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Look It's also the sociopathic personality style. Right, if you
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: look like, uh, I don't know, uh, Brad Pitt's old. Now,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: I mean I don't think he's old, but I know
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: that it's an older reference. But if you look like,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: what's the guy for Christian Hellsworth? Right, if you look
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: like that but you do not have a sociopathic personality style,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: you actually are low on the totem pulse. I know
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: that sounds weird. It's not just looks maxing, it's also psychomaxing.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Is it that horrible? Hm? Hmmm, I'm crying inside. Okay,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: let's keep going, all.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Right, Because women know that safety comes first. That one
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: bad decision, one ignored red flag, one moment of giving
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: someone the benefit of the doubt, could be dangerous. So
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: when a man does something that makes a woman feel unsafe,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: even if it seems small, even if he says it's
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: a joke, and even if he acts like she's overreacting.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: She leaves.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: She doesn't owe him an explanation. She doesn't owe him
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: a second chance, she doesn't owe him anything. Well, you know,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: if you tell a joke and a woman can't take
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: a joke, you should leave because you don't want to
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: be with a woman that's not that doesn't have a
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: sense of humor. It's uh, that's not good.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: This, this freaking article is just like ladies, you're going
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: to date with a man, I'll stop you right there.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Nothing good comes of that. That's all it is. It's
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: just basically it's literally flat out made suppression. That's it.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: You're right, Brian, It's that's what I think.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is pore advice.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Yes, this is terrible designed to.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Essentially, I don't know why women would do it, Like,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: why would someone like like Alex Cooper, for example.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Who married a big rich Hollywood producer. I think his
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: name is Kaplin and she's obviously doing really well, like
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: she she's making millions of dollars and he probably makes
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: as much, but likely more than her, and they have
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: a baby on the way. Why would she feel the.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Need to tear down other women when she doesn't need
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: anything that they might get, Like there's like they're not
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: going to be an obstacle, That's what I'm saying. But
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: why do that anyway? It's a female thing. I don't understand,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: It's like make it to where there is no chance
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: that they'll be able to take your man from you.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: I have no idea where it comes from, because there's
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's just a.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Question. But I don't understand it.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just a desire to stomp on something beautiful, that's all,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: like honestly, like you know, the other is maybe logic
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: to it, but you know, some people, some women just
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: want to see the world burn. You don't think that's
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: true about women too? Yeah, okay, all.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Right anyway, because her safety is more important than his feelings.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: And the fact that so many men don't understand this,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: that they get angry when women prioritize their own safety
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: is exactly why women have to be so careful.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Again, this is another thing.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Like a woman's she's claiming that it's women's safety that's
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: more important than men's feelings. No, it's women's feelings about
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: their safety. That's not their actual safety. It's what you feel.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: So you're basically just saying your feelings are more important
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: than his feelings. That's really what you're saying. So, yeah,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: countdown to Al's for having an abortion. No, she's not
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: gonna have an abortion. She's gonna have a baby. I'm
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: telling you, Richard, she is going to tell all other
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: women to avoid men, to get abortions, to sleep around,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: to like cheat on their husbands, to be in open relationships,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: and to live that up and do it until they're
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: in their forties. While she does everything like basically the
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: right way, if not a little bit late, is not
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: gonna have an abortion. Clementine Ford, the most radical feminists
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: alive right now out of Australia, has children. These these
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: women are not living what they are. They're not they're
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: not doing what they're prescribing other women do.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: And I think it is yeah.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Specifically to feel superior to those women. I don't know
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: what else to call it, but it's a way for
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: them to put themselves on a higher platform of other women.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: It's tearing other women down by and it's almost like
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: there's a satisfaction in knowing that you have convinced other
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: women to alter their lifestyle against their own best interest,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: so that you could be like, look what I did.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I did that, you know I managed to do that anyway,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: all right, So so yeah, she's gonna have that baby.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: That's what I think anyway.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Uh and the fact that so many women Oh yeah,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: so anyway, the next one, Oh, did you want to
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: say anything to that about the safety and feelings thing?
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Alison? Are you there? Are you? There? Are you muted?
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not safe from the mute button? God damn it.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: We'll I'll always do my usual shtick. Men are also
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: not safe from women, right, yeah, you know, these these
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: rapes are happening somehow, so and I know nobody wants
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: to talk about it because it seems so counterintuitive. But again,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: if men are being forced to penetrate at the same
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: rate that women are being forced to envelop, then men
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: are not safe too. So we have a situation where
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: both men and women are not safe necessarily because you're
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: engaging in casual sex. You have no idea who this
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: person is. Now, of course, the likelihood that they're a
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: serial killer rapist minimal. More likely you're gonna get gonorrhea
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: or something, but that be as much as it may.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: These individual women are pathologizing the behavior of men who
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: are trying to protect themselves, while insisting that men who
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: have any problem with women's behavior trying to protect themselves
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: are bad men. So this is an incredible double standard.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Like a man is like, I'm gonna protect myself, right,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: I have something to protect, so I'm not going to
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: be I'm reserved, Okay, I'm not gonna do the charisma
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: bombing that a sociopath does. And the women are like,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: that's a red flag. How dare he protect his own safety,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: and then they turn around and say, how dare a
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: man be offended by me wanting to protect my safety?
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: So it's like a complete double standard. If a man
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: gets upset that they don't try, that a woman doesn't
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: trust him, that's he's a problem. But if a man
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: gets doesn't want to trust a woman, he's also a problem.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. It's like a complete double standard.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: And this is why I don't think we're going to
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: fix this unless I don't think women who are incapable
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: of understanding that men have vulnerabilities are going to be
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: able to fix this like or they're in the future.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: This is going to have to happen because if you
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: cannot understand that men have the right to be concerned
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: about their own safety, that women can be a threat
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: to men, you're going to regard this as a red
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: flag and you're going to be constantly filtering out good
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: men who would be good partners. You see what I'm saying, Brian,
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Because they can't conceive of what's going on. They don't
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: understand that if a man can attach to you, that
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: makes him vulnerable to you, and therefore he is going
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: to be more reserved, more reticent, slower to warm. And
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: if you can't conceptualize this, you are always going to
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: feel like that man is a bad choice, when in
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: fact he is the best choice. So unless women can
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: get it through their heads that men are vulnerable to them,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: this is not gonna resolve because if they can't, they're
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: always going to pre select out of the men you
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: can actually marry, and pre select into the men who
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: are horrible human human things.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, so we need to do After I
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: said anything about myself, he'd reply with, do you think
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: you're better than me? What? After I said anything about myself,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: he would reply with do you think you're better than me?
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: What?
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: This one comment kept showing up in different scenarios. A
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: woman would mention something about herself, like her job, her degree,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: her accomplishments, anything that sounds like a normal conversation, and
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: the guy would respond with do you think you're better
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: than me? Like they immediately get defensive and turn it
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: into a competition. One woman said she mentioned she had
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: a master's degree, and the guy spent the rest of
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: the day trying to prove that he was smarter than her.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: How do you know what does that look like even
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: though she never said anything about intelligence, she was just
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: answering his question about.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: What she studied. I would just be like, you know
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: that they're just giving those degrees out to women right
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: right away? You know you didn't really earn that, right,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: they're just giving those away to you.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: How do you in this circumstance though? Yes, but also
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: how do you joking?
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: But it would be funny?
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: No, I'm already on something. Yeah, yeah, how yes, men
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: actually responding in any way that cuts through the egotism
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: would be very amusing. That's my curiosity here. My curiosity
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: here is how do you determine whether or not he's
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: trying to look like he's smarter than you or trying
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: to engage you with your topic of interest?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Because I'm like, if somebody was like, oh, you have
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: an interest in that, this is this is what I
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: bring to the table on that particular topic. These are
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: the things that I know. That's not a competition. That's
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: a guy just trying to resonate with you on that level.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying, Brian, Yeah, okay, at the
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: interest of finishing this m yeah.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: Let me.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: I got a super chow, so I should read that
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: a superchowd Betty Adams. Betty Adams gave us five dollars
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: and said, maybe not relevant to the discussion, but the
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: reason that the book Project hail Mary is so popular
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: is that the world craves masculinity on a deep fundamental level,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: but the modern Western world does its best to suppress that,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: and PHM Project hail Mary in writing style and psychology
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: is just the purest, unfiltered male experience that many people
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: will ever experience. It also had two dudes hanging out
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: and being friends in a very masculine way. Women yearn
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: form form masculinity.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: Do they know it? Yearned four?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I think you meant to say, Betty Adams, I've never
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: seen that. I mean, I know that it's a movie too.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the movie. But you said there was
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: a book. Never read the book, and I kind of
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: want to see the movie now that you now that
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: you put it that way, because I didn't know what the.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Big deal was.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: But if it is like a healthy, like male relationship
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: that's not like queer code.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: Or something, I would check.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Out a spider.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: That's fine, spider.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: We'd be like guys could be friends with robots and aliens,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: and is it an actual spider or like a robot spider.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's an actual like alien spider creature alien spider.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: That's okay.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like the loans they can talk and pears together,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: that's fine.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Or some kind of gargle blasters transthalactic gargle blasters together. Yeah, yeah, okay,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: all right, yeah, thank you.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: Betty, thank you for that, Betty. Okay.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: So, but another said that she told a guy she'd
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: recently gotten a promotion, and he said, must be nice.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Some of us actually have to work hard for our success.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: She had worked hard, but he assumed that she hadn't
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: because he couldn't.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Handle that she was doing well.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: One woman said she mentioned she liked to travel, and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: the guy responded with, so you think you're better than
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: people who can't afford to travel. She didn't say that,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: She just said she liked traveling, but he turned into
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: something It.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Wasn't m what is the likelihood that this is actual thing?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: I don't men said something vaguely awkward, and then the
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: woman reinterpreted it this way.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Women have had private conversations with themselves in their own heads.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: And have found them guilty of sedition, if not outright treason. No,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: but the other thing too. No, No, I just said that. No,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: I just said that they have Yeah, they investigated their
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: own psyche and found the man was actually being evil.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: But there is one thing though, I would say, like
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: if a man said, well, I mean I might I
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: might have said this, just like the education thing. You
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: know that they're like hiring women for preferentially for jobs,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: but that's not going to last long because AI is
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: going to take away most of those jobs. You do
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: you do realize that, right, you have your bachelor's for nothing?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: How much debt do you have? By the way, how
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: much debt are you bringing to the table. That's what
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: I want to know. How much does the college cost you?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Is it all paid off? That that would be something
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: to bring up. But again I'm not trying to get
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: a second.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Well, hey, yes, definitely how much debt you have. In fact,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: if if a woman says what's your job, maybe a
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: man should ask how much debt do you have?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: That's that is about the same level of intrusive, right,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: what what what do you do? What do you what's
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: your job? Basically giving her your average income. Yeah, how much?
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: How much debt do you o? How much are you
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: in debt? You know, if you're going to ask him
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: in what's your status of you as a financial asset?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe a man should be able to ask a woman
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: what's the status of you as a financial deficit to
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: my life? Okay?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, all right?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: And yeah about the traveling thing, Uh yeah, I don't know.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: I just don't feel like these are conversations that are real. Again,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: like I said in the beginning, I think that, you know,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: in order to contribute to the conversation, some women get hyperbolic,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: and that's being charitable. So anyway, another said she told
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: a guy she owned her own business, and he spent
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: the entire day trying to find flaws in her business model,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: telling her what she was doing wrong, trying to prove
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: he knew more about than her about her own company.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: This one I believe. This one I believe. But to
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: this I have to say, ladies, do you want a
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: man because this is sort of what you get right.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: You present something and they will immediately start to analyze
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: it in this manner. Okay, I don't believe the other
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: ones because that's too relate. That's too relational mode thinking.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: That's why I think that it's invented by the women.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: It's too much about status and power and relative Yeah,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: those I don't think those words came out of a
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: man's mouth. I think what happened is he said something
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: awkward that could be misinterpreted and she took the worst
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: interpretation from it. But this one, I believe this one
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: is she's like giving him information about is her job,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: and he's like analyzing it because that is something a
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: man would do, but he's probably not doing it to
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: like discredit her. He's doing it because he wants to
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: be helpful, right, and like he wants to and help
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: her succeed. Like this is what women don't seem to get.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: People who criticize you don't necessarily want to destroy you.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Some of them actually want to help you succeed with
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: their endeavors. And men are more likely to be on
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: the side of criticizing someone because they want to help
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: them succeed then destroy them. And then this is a
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: woman interpreting this man's behavior through a female lens, because
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: a woman wouldn't be criticizing her to help her succeed.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: A woman would be criticizing her to undermine her status.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: This dude is probably criticizing her, or not even criticizing her,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: but just giving her an analysis in order to help
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: her succeed. And women really struggle with that because a
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: lot of people will just blow smoke up your ass
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: because they don't care, right, They just want you out
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: of their face as quickly as possible. Like that's a
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: lot of the conversation that normies have. It's just basically,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: what do I tell you that's a complete fiction to
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: get you the fuck out of my life? And and
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: I actually really prioritize the people who will tell it
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: to you straight because then they give you actionable things
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: that you can do to improve something. So the real
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: question is was he right? What were his insights valuable?
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: And if she could determine if they were valuable, you know,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: that's a that would honestly be a viable partner, right
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: because you can you can actually at least have one
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: channel to integrate on, which is this kind of business thing. Right,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: You can have something shared in common. A shared project
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: might not be the best idea, but still, if he's
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: if he is interested enough in your business to talk
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: at length about it, even if he's giving and it's
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: probably not all criticism, let's be honest. Even if it's
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: giving him feedback on stuff, that means he's interested in
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: you on some level. He's interested in a part of
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: your life. As nobody sits down and does that unless
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: they do have some kind of investment. And then now
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: this woman is being told, all, you don't want to
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: select for men who have an investment, instead of being
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: told no, this is how men demonstrate investment. Right. A
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: man's not going to sit down and tell and itemize
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: all of the things that he thinks you could be
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: doing better, or new options opportunities or potential sales contacts
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: or whatever else. He's not going to do that because
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: he doesn't care. He's not going to do that because
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: he's not invested. And of course women encourage other women
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: to view that in a women way, which is all
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: it's just doing status games. No, he's not ye, and
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: that's another thing. He's like women just telling Shu that
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: the worst stupid interpretations of what men are doing. Right,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: This isn't it. This isn't a kindication of investment. And
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: men don't understand the status game thing like women do. Right,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Women are like, immediately, okay, she's undermining me. Men are
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: not like that. They're like, I'm being helpful. Why do
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: you hate me? I'm being interested, I'm demonstrating interest. I'm
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: pretty sure another guy would be like, oh, yeah, he's
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: interested in this. Let's go, let's go, uh you know,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: do something together, build something together. Let's go build a
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: hot on the desert island together. But women are like,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: oh my god, this is a status game. It's like, no,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: that's another thing, Like, there's no there's no kind of
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: sensible way of explaining how men do things and how
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: women do things that isn't being shoved through the woodchipper
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: of gender war at this point.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, that is That's what I think. That's what
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: it is like.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: The women have been trained to like basically be as
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: uncharitable as possible to any interaction, Like anything a man
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: said is they have to.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: Figure out how it's bad. That's where it's gotten.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: So when a man is trying to be genuinely helpful,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: she thinks that he's competitive because she assumed that men
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: are by their very nature competitive and like with everyone,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: especially women.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing with men is they can be competitive
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: but really love the person that they're competing with. Yeah,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: for sure, Like that's like that, that's like that's basically
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: the subtitle of all shonan Right mm hmm, you are
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: my rival and my best friend that kind of thing.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Women struggle with that, They really struggle with that. But again,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: like I would interpret this is he's a demonstrating interest
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: and then investment in something that you that he thinks
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: you care about. Right, He's not status. The status thing
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: is a very relational web way of thinking about it.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: He's probably he's not undermining it. He's he's now invested
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: in the project and now he wants it to succeed.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: That's a much more male you know, you see what
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, Brian, is a much more male interpretation. Yeah,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: And the female interpretation is, aw, this is just status play.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: He's up to something. He's reminding me. Which is really
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: funny because it's really funny because women are like, oh
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: my god, this guy is investing so much energy into
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: into my business. He's just trying to undermine me and
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: make me lose or something. And then they will consume
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: this content from a woman who is doing exactly that
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: to them completely gormlessly. It's just like, oh my god,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: she's so right. She's so right. I should set fire
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: to my hair so my vagina shat and scream, squawk,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: yodel at every man that I see, you know, like
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: and get gonnerie and have sex with anal, sex with
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: complete strangers. I'll just park my ass like a you know,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: freaking bicycle rack. Just just shove it in there, no
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: questions asked. That's that's what Manifest Dell told me to
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: do with my life. And it's like they can't even
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: see through that and be like this is this is
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: her destroying you and delighting in it. But when they're
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: next to a man who's spending all this time trying
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: to improve their business, that's where that is the that
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: is the status play that's trying to destroy them, you
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: get what I'm saying. Probably, And it's like they have
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: no calibration with this crab. All right, we're not going
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: to get through this. I thought we're gonna get through this.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: We're not going to get through.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Well, we're I mean, I don't know.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: There might be like a lot of comments maybe that
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: we're almost at the end, all right. These men saw
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: everything as a competition. Every accomplishment is a threat, Every
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: success is proof that the woman thought she was better
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: than them. And women recognized what this really was insecurity
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: and resentment projection. Because confident men don't feel threatened by
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: successful women. They don't turn every conversation into a competition.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: They don't need to prove their smarter better or work accomplished.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: But insecure men do. They see a woman's success as
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: an attack on their masculinity, as proof that they are
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: not good enough, and instead of being happy for her,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: instead of supporting her, instead of seeing her as a partner,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: they see her as competition. Okay, projection like all over
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: the place. But then but now we get to want
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: this is really about? I think this is what this
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: is really about. I used to have a boyfriend like that.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Oh this is personal, and it got to the point
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: where I resented him for never being happy for me.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: The difference was that these women could recognize it on
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: the first date and didn't waste their time. Thankfully, because
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: it never ends well. Women don't want to compete with men.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: We want partners, I don't know. We want someone who
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: celebrates our wins instead of resenting them, someone who's proud
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: of our accomplishments instead of threatened by them. Someone who
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: sees our success is something that benefits both of us,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: not something that diminishes them. Sounds like you want a
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: dad and when a man can't.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: Do that, but I'll see you the first the first
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: question out of your mouth is what do you do? Yeah? Damn, yeah,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: you're just you're just so full of shit, Like you're
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: just an incoherent self contradictory that can never be pleased.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: And you know what, You're gonna never be pleased to
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: the grave. Good luck to you. Okay, sorry, I.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: Guess concluding it's okay.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: And when a man can't do that, when he turns
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: every achievement into a competition he needs to win, women
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: walk away because we're not looking for someone to compete
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: with until you feel so, period, We're looking for someone
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: to build with. And if a man sees us as
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: a threat instead of a partner, there's no point in continuing.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Then the next comment was ok wait.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait.
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  Speaker 3: What what what? What? What?
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: What if a man sees this a threat and not
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: a partner. And yet the guy who was like got
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: angry because she didn't trust him. You see this, but
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: you see how often this is this hypocrisy is paired.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: They have every right to distrust men and regard them
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: as a threat, but men don't have a right to
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: regard them as a threat. They don't really think that
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: women's jobs are really that much of a threat. Okay,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: let's keep going.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: No, no, okay, no they're not.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: But they really want to be recognized that And that's
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: why this is all very like, I don't know.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of cope wrapped up in this.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Took me to a restaurant his cousin owned, and the
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: waitress asked how his wife and new baby were doing. Uh,
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: this one be the worst, now, okay, before we get.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: Into this one. Maybe this is the last one.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Right off the bat, this sounds like literally one comment
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: by one person because it's too specific to be a pattern.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: But this article started with this is a pattern, So
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: I want to see how they justify that. Took me
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: to a restaurant his cousin owned, and the waitress asked
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: how his wife and new baby were doing. A woman
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: went on a date with a guy, and when they
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: went to a restaurant, the waitress came over and asked,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: how's your wife and how's the new baby doing. And
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: this wasn't an isolated incident. Multiple women shared stories about
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: finding out the guy they were on a date with
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: was married. One woman said she went on three dates
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: with a guy before she found out he had a girlfriend.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: She only found out because his girlfriend messaged her on Instagram.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: Another so, okay, I mean, yeah, that kind of thing
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: can happen, but that's just like whatever. That doesn't mean
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: anything for men in general. Another had a guy's wife
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: showed up at the restaurant while they were on a date.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: He told his wife he was working late.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: Oof.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: One woman said she was talking to a guy for weeks.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: They were planning to meet up, and then she got
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: a message from his wife asking her to stop contacting
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: her husband.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 3: She had no idea he was married.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: He never mentioned it, never wore a ring, never gave
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: indication that he had a whole family at home. Another
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: woman said she went to a guy's apartment after a
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: few dates and there were family photos everywhere. He his
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: wife and their kids. He'd somehow hidden an entire family
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: for weeks. Well, maybe it was her first time at
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: his place and he's not hiding it. When she confronted him,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: he said they were separated.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: They weren't.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: His wife had no idea he was dating. Oh okay,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: so yeah, situationships. This is sort of like a situation
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: that your modern dating has created, though so.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: One woman said.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: She found out a guy was engaged when his fiance
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: called his phone while they were together. He told his
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: fiance say it was a work call and stepped outside.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: The woman left while he was gone. These men lied,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: not just by omission, they actively lied. They hid their relationships,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: They hid their wives, they hid their children, and they
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: didn't care who they hurt in the process. Not their wives,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: not the women they were dating, not their families. One
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: woman said the worst part wasn't even that the guy
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: was married. It was as if he acted like it
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: wasn't a big deal when she found out, like she
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: was overreacting, like she should have expected it, like cheating
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: was just something men do and women should just accept it.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: But women don't accept I'm sure, and they shouldn't have to.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sure that this man, when they started initiated
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: the dating, was very charming, was not reserved, didn't have
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: any problem answering any questions and then you find out why. Yeah,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: oh good lord, Like, okay, so bad men exist, men
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: who cheat exist, men who I'm really have a serious
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: doubt about all that competitive crap. But you know, men
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: who might be predators. Predators exist. Yes, these are the
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: things that you risk when you meet up with random strangers.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: Men also risk things. Men also risk something when they
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: meet up with random strangers. Right, that's the nature of
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: the beast.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean like, behaving as a bad partner or
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: a bad date or an untrustworthy person is not a
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: male thing. It is a human thing. Sin is a
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: human problem. And when these men make these mistakes apparently
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: or maybe they're intentionally doing this, which you know may
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: be true. Even if we accept that this is all true,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean anything except that some humans suck, so
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: do your best to vet them.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: You can't live in a world without people that suck.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: But the women, like the one who wrote this article
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: insists that that's what the normal state of things should be,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: That people don't that people should never be deceitful or
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: dishonest or untrustworthy or whatever it is. And you just
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: can't do that. It just is not a thing. So
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: but okay, anyway, do you want me to get to
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: the summary because we're at the end of the article
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: it's kind of short.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: And then we can sure, let's do the summary, all right,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: all right?
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: So what else?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: What are the other options here?
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: What do you mean in terms of what do you mean?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if you had, like a thing
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: you put into punished claud or whatever that you wanted.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: To look at. Oh, I see it not just as
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: a summary. First I do, but it disappeared, and then
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: I had to ask, well, let me.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: Just go to the let me just go to the end.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: So we're no longer accepting the bare minimum just to
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: say we have a boyfriend, and we're noticing from the
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: start when something isn't right. In the ten thousand comments
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: I saw, practically the same response is over and over again,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: men who mistreated women, and the women deciding that they
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: are not going to accept this mistreatment from them. We're
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: done giving second chances to men who show us exactly
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: who they are on the first date. We're done ignoring
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: red flags because we don't want to seem judgmental or picky.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: We're done prioritizing men's feelings over our own safety and
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: self respect. Most of these men didn't lose a second
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: date because of one small mistake. They lost it because
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: of what that moment revealed about them. And women are
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: finally paying attention. So if you're wondering why you didn't
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: get a second date, it might not be as confusing
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: as you think. It wasn't because we're picky. It's not
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: because we're unreasonable, not because we have impossible standards. It's
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: but because you showed us who you were and we
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: believed you. So that's her summary. And again I don't
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: think men are reading this shit.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: But no, they don't care.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: No, they don't care.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: Honestly they don't, all right, So the moral circle the
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: piece runs the universal concern boundary marking pattern performs concern
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: for one thousand women. Deliverable is legitimate hostility targets men.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: Specific predatory acts and ordinary social friction can get aggregated
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: into a single out group such that no man can
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: demonstrate non membership in group is women who recognize outgroup
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: is anyone men or women who won't perform the same recognition.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: So this is just another hostility generator to generate maximum
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: hostility towards men. What is shock. We found another one, guys,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: another little force actuator of generating hostility towards men. There's
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of them, and yet nobody wants to address
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: the complete plague of these these little instances that only
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: exist to generate hostility against men. Okay, that's a I mean,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: I could go more into it, but for some reason,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: Punished Claude is not participating today. It's decided. I I
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: did have like a bunch of stuff that I I
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: put it through like I put it through. In fact,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: I put it through like when we were originally going
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: to do it on Monday, but now I cannot find it,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: and Punished claud is not its like, not giving me
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: any indication of where it might be. So my apologies, guys, check.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Did get we. I do want to give a quick
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: shout out to the vertical Chats. We have like some
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: pretty cool people in there. Lily death Ray had a
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: lot to say on this topic, so welcome to the stream. Lily,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: please consider subscribing to the channel just like her own,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Like she wants to have kids and she knows more
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: women who have cheated than men, and that women get
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of way with a lot of abuse.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: Things like that, So you know, pretty decent.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: Good for you. Yeah, okay, I will, I will ask
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: for more and depth. But in the meantime, I have
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: to do this little ad that someone has put through.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and let me do this because they've
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: been asking me multiple times. All right, So this is
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: from ISO nine thousand and they want to do They're
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: doing an advertisement for Reddit dot com slash r slash
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: rev trad that's our e V T R A D
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: and I think it's it's refers to what they're calling
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: reverse trad. So oh again, this is being done with
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: Allison's permission. Hey guys, everybody know that.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: Reddit.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, we are a movement to cover the final frontier,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: combining female breadwinner plus stay at home father relationship style
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: with a rejection of feminist ideology. If not a pro
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: men's rights advocate proach, if not a diet migtail approach,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: where we advocate this is the best protection astraight man
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: and his children can have. The man wants children and
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: perhaps a bit of alimony in his favor. He's abused
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: because the criminal justice system, in the shelter system doesn't
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: work for him. Okay, so I think just to interpret this.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: I believe what he's saying is that the solution to
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: the current problem is for the woman to be a
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: bread woman who went breadwinner, and the man to be
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: stay at home, which I don't have a problem with.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: That's what you want to do, and I actually would
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: agree because at the very least you'll have a fighting
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: chance to get some kind of access to your children,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: maybe if not primary custody, and then child support is
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: not going to be as much of an issue, although
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: you will have to get a job afterwards. You might
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: want to keep your skills current. One many many years ago,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: I read an article where there was one man who
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: managed to find a woman who they would take opposite
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: shifts while they were raising their kids. And because he
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: said right off the bat that I want to be
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: an equal parent. So I mean, if you, if you
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: want to arrange your life so that you get an
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: equal shake, I'm all for that. I don't know, I
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: don't know like the political stuff about what you would
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: call this, but it's it seems like a reasonable solution.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: And I know that gen Z is now having to
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: deal with that because gen Z men are unemployed like
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: full stop. Like I was looking at numbers that something
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: like ninety percent of the jobs and health and education,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: which are probably going to be some of the only
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: jobs left because they're government jobs, they're going to women.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: So more and more, more and more gen zs are
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: the female breadwinner, male stay at home arrangement, which, like
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: I know the a lot of traditionalists will hate that,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: but if that's the way the economic cookie crumbles, then
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: at least you're still getting kids and they're still being raised.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Right there, you go, look at the silver aligning there.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: Do I say conservatives or track cons? I meant trag cons.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: All right, let me finish this. Sorry, it's a little
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: bit long. Uh just set the load it up again again.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna skip this paragraph because it's incoherent. I'm gonna
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: skip this one. If you would like to be the
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: second person to contribute to the subreddit ever, you can
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: be anything social but not authoritarian, so egal so forward, asexual,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: or a member of the revolution, as long as you
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: are not author at off forward like some track cons
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: or whatever kind of authority any random feminist usually is.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Or just subscribe and observe that this movement piques your interest.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: So it's once again reddit dot com slash r slash
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: rav trad U one hundred percent of people who self
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: identify as reverse traditionalists so far identify also identify as
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: men's rights advocate. We have your back, do you have ours? Yours?
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: Our ours? And then again that is Reddit dot com slash,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: r slash rav trad.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: I'm showing it on the screen right now, so you
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: know what it looks like, r slash red trad reverse trad.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I check it out. I guess have a
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: discussion about this. I've tried to pick out what's coherent
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: because this individual likes to give very long walls of
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: text that are a little bit chaotic. And I did
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: promise them that I would do this because they did
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: support in tune of three hundred dollars. So there you go.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, Very much appreciated, and thank you again,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: ISO nine thousand and do check out our slash rav
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• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: all right, so we could you gotta get going?
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: I gotta go, yes, yes, all right, so.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well let's do the out of time outro
• 1:29:13
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• 1:29:23
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• 1:29:28
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