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Prose Pizza From Cynthia Schumacher A New Age Of Short Stories Has Arrived · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: How's everybody doing?
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  Speaker 2: Hello? Is this ro Colin?
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  Speaker 1: That would be me? How are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: This is Cynthia Shoemaker And I was asked to call
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  Speaker 2: you at nine thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad that you listen to your parents
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  Speaker 1: and you do as you say or they say. Man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you in the way of sharing
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  Speaker 1: a book like this, because I spent my entire life
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  Speaker 1: trying to get poetry out there, and I've had to
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  Speaker 1: learn how to disguise it because those people aren't drawn
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  Speaker 1: to it. And then I'm inspired by you, Cynthia, because
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  Speaker 1: you you've taken that step, You've created a new path
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  Speaker 1: on how to get those words out there so that
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  Speaker 1: people accept them. Yes, thank you, But it hasn't been
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  Speaker 1: an easy journey, has it. I mean it just it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like that it's just been handed to you.
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  Speaker 1: You've really busted some serious tale.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what happened was I began writing poetry when I
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  Speaker 2: was in high school without any trainee, so I just
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  Speaker 2: went Amy Dickens and other American poets. Later, I study
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  Speaker 2: British you know, the British poetry anyway years before, and
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  Speaker 2: I learned all these things by reading other people's pol
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  Speaker 2: And then I thought I had a teacher who encouraged
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  Speaker 2: me to just experiment, and I wound up writing it
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  Speaker 2: all the way through my teaching career, all the way
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  Speaker 2: through to my retirement. And then I thought, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how to publish any of this now, how would
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  Speaker 2: I do this? So that's what I started doing independent publishing,
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  Speaker 2: And of course that was that was back in the
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  Speaker 2: days you've or individ publishing. It was very famous. And
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  Speaker 2: now that I've done it, I've got these four books
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  Speaker 2: that will never be on line because I don't think so,
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  Speaker 2: and three others that are poetry there are online now
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  Speaker 2: and I can sell books without carrying them around with
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  Speaker 2: me in my hands. I can let they go to this. Well, you.
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  Speaker 1: Seem to be the type of person that allows the
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  Speaker 1: understanding of that. When you release it, then then it's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is what it was meant for. It's not for me,
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  Speaker 1: it's for them. And how they receive it is so
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  Speaker 1: important because I love that feeling when I get word
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  Speaker 1: that somebody has purchased your book. Oh my god, what
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  Speaker 1: a great feeling that is. And it's not about making money,
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  Speaker 1: it's about reaching people. How do you feel about that?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's exactly the same. You don't You know you
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  Speaker 2: have to pay to have the book published, and then
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  Speaker 2: you think that all these people are saying, oh, that's
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  Speaker 2: this is a real book. Can we buy it? And
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  Speaker 2: then you're very excited about it.
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  Speaker 1: You've got stories in here that are sixty years old. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I got because I've been a daily writer since nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety four and I've got all of my writing. Where
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  Speaker 1: did you store this? Because I mean I'm at that
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  Speaker 1: point where I'm going where am I going to put it?
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  Speaker 2: I think I just put it in folders in different
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  Speaker 2: places and then forgot about them. Yeah, and the stories.
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  Speaker 2: The stories were written way back, many years ago, and
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  Speaker 2: when I got ready to publish them, I asked someone
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  Speaker 2: about it and I said, do people still read stories?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if they were written before the days of
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  Speaker 2: cell phones, are they going to enjoy these? And they said, well,
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  Speaker 2: if they're good stories, they're going to be good stories regardless.
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  Speaker 2: So that's why I went ahead and published them. And
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  Speaker 2: I thought later, well, youth, these are going to appeal
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  Speaker 2: to anybody, but they do to certain people who are
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  Speaker 2: a certain age because they've experienced similar things.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I love about writing, is the fact
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  Speaker 1: that you can jot down thoughts and it's for a
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  Speaker 1: future reader. And that's what I think is so fascinating
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  Speaker 1: about this is that somewhere along the line you must
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  Speaker 1: have known in your heart it's going to reach people.
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  Speaker 1: But right now we're just going to preserve it. Because
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  Speaker 1: there are so many writers at home that will hide
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  Speaker 1: their writing. And it's like, all you have to do
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  Speaker 1: is release it. You don't even have to watch them
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  Speaker 1: read the book, just release it because it belongs to them.
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  Speaker 1: That's correct, But what a scary walk. Huh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You have to wonder, and you particularly wonder when
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  Speaker 2: you've been writing poetry a long long time. People know that,
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  Speaker 2: and then suddenly there are these stories and you're thinking,
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  Speaker 2: oh my goodness, this is going to be so different.
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  Speaker 2: Are people really to like these? Because I wrote them
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  Speaker 2: so long ago? But it's turned out to be a
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  Speaker 2: good experience.
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  Speaker 1: How did you craft the art of short stories? And
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  Speaker 1: the reason why I bring that up is because we
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  Speaker 1: are living in this generation where the attention span is
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  Speaker 1: so short, and that, to me is the perfect ripe
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  Speaker 1: atmosphere for short stories. And look at you coming in
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  Speaker 1: here with prose pizza.
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  Speaker 2: Have you read any?
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  Speaker 1: Of course I have, and we're going to dive into
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  Speaker 1: that because I just love the way that you break
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  Speaker 1: it up and then and the thing is is that
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  Speaker 1: the way you break up the story is of course,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get the idea of a pizza, because
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  Speaker 1: that's because that's what the title is. But the thing
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  Speaker 1: about it is, though, is that you bring in several
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  Speaker 1: different concepts and levels of stories. It's not the same
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  Speaker 1: one drawn all the way through three hundred and fifty pages.
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  Speaker 2: I'm you, guys, you couldn't figure that out.
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  Speaker 1: That's very true, And that's what I love about this
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  Speaker 1: because of the attention span because I can finish the
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  Speaker 1: story and go, dang, I accomplished something today. My god, Cynthia,
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for putting us in this book.
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  Speaker 1: And readers do that. They read to accomplish, right, That's wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: So when writing the book, what was the urge to
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  Speaker 1: bring it forward? What did you feel? Because I know
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  Speaker 1: you were talking about being a teacher. I understand that
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  Speaker 1: language because my wife is a teacher. I'm just not
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  Speaker 1: seeing her right yet.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I had for a long time since I've retired.
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  Speaker 2: After I started publishing things, I started having a little
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  Speaker 2: sometimes permitting now, which is in the Seabreeing Port where
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  Speaker 2: I moved up in Leedsburg. Teaching for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: But when I moved to Seedbury, of course I was
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  Speaker 2: retired and I was still publishing what every poetry I had,
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  Speaker 2: and I was still writing as usual. But when I
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  Speaker 2: start thinking about the stories once in a while, you
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  Speaker 2: talk to people and they say, well, you remember when
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  Speaker 2: do you remember when you were a child, what it was,
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  Speaker 2: how different it was from the way there is were
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  Speaker 2: children today. And I said yes, And they said, were
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  Speaker 2: you ever living in a place where you went out
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  Speaker 2: to play? After supper time or before supper time, and
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  Speaker 2: they said, now, don't go too far. Well, they would
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  Speaker 2: go a whistle when it's time for everybody to come home.
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  Speaker 2: And you were running around in the neighborhood with all
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  Speaker 2: these neighboring kids and doing things and growing up, and
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  Speaker 2: they never knew what you were doing out there. And
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  Speaker 2: I had a story about a child who was told
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  Speaker 2: by the parents and said, I'm sure you've read it,
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  Speaker 2: the one to call second half with the girls. So
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  Speaker 2: you cannot play football anymore with these neighbor boys. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and of course she is rebellous, but children are those
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  Speaker 2: days you couldn't meet too rebellious. You did what your
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  Speaker 2: parents told you. So she's thinking, well, what else can
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  Speaker 2: I do? So she thinks of the game. And of course,
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  Speaker 2: as I was thinking about it, I was thinking, now,
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  Speaker 2: how did I feel when I was a young person
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  Speaker 2: and I was told don't do this, but you could
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  Speaker 2: do this, and no, you can't do this. I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I want to know where you are and all the things,
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  Speaker 2: and I would I can't. I mentioned this story to
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  Speaker 2: somebody's that I had written it. They said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I lived in New York City. That's what we did
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  Speaker 2: in our neighborhoods, and my father would go over whistle
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  Speaker 2: and we would all run back to our houses because
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  Speaker 2: it was getting dark. But as I wrote the story,
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  Speaker 2: and when I had written it, I remembered it there
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  Speaker 2: was a time when you go from childhood to more
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  Speaker 2: like adulthood. Yeah, you suddenly and suddenly all these people
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  Speaker 2: that you're running around with, you say, why haven't waste
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  Speaker 2: my time with these children? So when I wrote that
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  Speaker 2: particular story, were the girls reading a very famous novel,
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  Speaker 2: very old fashioned but famous novel, and her and her
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  Speaker 2: thinking is changing, and she's beginning to think about what
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  Speaker 2: a minute and this game is not unportant to me,
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  Speaker 2: I left this book I'm reading, so that that's when
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  Speaker 2: you begin to kind of move upward and you're growing
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  Speaker 2: into adulthood and you don't even realize that the world
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  Speaker 2: is going to be different now, but you're interested in it.
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  Speaker 2: So I got that when I would tell that story
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  Speaker 2: to people, that they say, that happened to me. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: did you ever write down the things you remember when
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  Speaker 2: you were worried about Christ this not happened? Or why
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  Speaker 2: am I different? Or now whatever? And I said, and
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  Speaker 2: they said, yes, but we never wrote anything. And then
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  Speaker 2: Judy Broom started writing all these books about what it's
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  Speaker 2: like to be twelve years old thirty, and I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's delightful, and I have written one story that I
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  Speaker 2: think you would enjoy. And when I would mention that,
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  Speaker 2: then I would think about, oh, this other article. This
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  Speaker 2: article I wrote about the cock room. Is that time
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  Speaker 2: that I went off to them program in a university
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  Speaker 2: and I lived in a motel or somewhere during the week,
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  Speaker 2: and there were all these cockroaches everywhere, and everyone's talking
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  Speaker 2: about how you can't kill them there everywhere. So I
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  Speaker 2: wrote this amusing article and that's really what I put
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  Speaker 2: it together. I put everything together, even though they were
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  Speaker 2: all different things. And I thought about pizza, how you
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  Speaker 2: order pizza, different ways we in the family.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Cynthia Schumacher coming
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  Speaker 1: up next. The name of the book is pros Pizza.
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  Speaker 1: We are back with poets and author Cynthia Schumacher. Is
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  Speaker 1: there a side of your creative personality that wishes that
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  Speaker 1: you could have shared that with one of the classes
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  Speaker 1: that you were with, because you just shared one of
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  Speaker 1: the most brilliant life stories in the way of trusting
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  Speaker 1: your writing and understanding that life changes, especially when you
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  Speaker 1: were talking about the transition between a younger life into
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  Speaker 1: an older life, because that, to me is the stuff
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  Speaker 1: that I wish I could say in front of Mike.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like, I know you're not listening right now
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  Speaker 1: to students, but I'm telling you this is going to
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  Speaker 1: be valuable information for you. What did you feel when
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  Speaker 1: you had that class, but now you've got basically the
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  Speaker 1: world with your writing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when I was teaching elementary and high school, I
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  Speaker 2: always taught writing, but I tried to introduce it as
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  Speaker 2: something to have fun with. And I would say to them,
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  Speaker 2: do you realize do you have all these ideas in
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  Speaker 2: your head and you've never written any of them down.
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  Speaker 2: What if you were an old person and you died
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  Speaker 2: and you had written a book and your grandchildren discovered
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  Speaker 2: this book and thought about we never knew this lady,
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  Speaker 2: but she wrote a book, and maybe it's a children's story,
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  Speaker 2: maybe in a story she told you one time, and
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  Speaker 2: then she really wrote it. And I thought about all
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  Speaker 2: the times in my life that I regretted I had
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  Speaker 2: never talked to somebody who was older, and thought, why
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  Speaker 2: did this happen. This happened when after the child what
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  Speaker 2: was that all about? And I didn't really follow up
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  Speaker 2: on it, And so I was telling them I would
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  Speaker 2: think that to the kids said they, did you have
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  Speaker 2: a pet? Yes? Have you ever written a story about
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  Speaker 2: a cat or a dog? No? Well, I said, suppose
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  Speaker 2: you researched cats and you found out that they had
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  Speaker 2: been animals who have lived a long long time, and
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  Speaker 2: they were sometimes buried in the pyramids with the kings.
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  Speaker 2: You know, all this gold is going maybe cos Cobraw's
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  Speaker 2: guiding around. And I was to I said, to talk
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  Speaker 2: about what the history of cats? Because the cats are
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  Speaker 2: so independent, their ancestry makes them mysterious. Yeah, And I said,
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  Speaker 2: I wrote a poem once about a cat, and I
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  Speaker 2: drew a picture of a cat and put it inside
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  Speaker 2: the cat. And I said, maybe we could draw pictures
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  Speaker 2: of the dogs or snakes or birds, and you could
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  Speaker 2: go home and really think about all the attributes of
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  Speaker 2: this particular animal, plus the history. Go back and study
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  Speaker 2: history of the animal, and how did you develop over
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  Speaker 2: gears and come up with something? And I would have
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  Speaker 2: given them a sign like this, and for Inston may
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  Speaker 2: be hooked. How do we write about haunted houses, or
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  Speaker 2: how do we do this? And I had this graders
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  Speaker 2: that could write quite effectively even though they were ten
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  Speaker 2: years old. And then I would go up to high
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  Speaker 2: school and I would say, you are never going to
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  Speaker 2: be boarded in this class. I will not talk to
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  Speaker 2: you all through all kinds of things together, and I
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  Speaker 2: would do things to remote writing. And I think in
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  Speaker 2: that way, I didn't really be talking about my own
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  Speaker 2: writing so much, but I was talking about ways you
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  Speaker 2: could get interested in writing. Yep, And there they it worked.
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  Speaker 1: It worked well, Cythia. It was teachers that knocked on
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  Speaker 1: my door when I was in the eleventh grade. They
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  Speaker 1: knew that I was out of school for four weeks
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  Speaker 1: because of a knee injury and that they felt I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't coming back. So they came in to me and said,
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  Speaker 1: come to class. In every one of my classes, we
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  Speaker 1: will let you write your stories. You do not have
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  Speaker 1: to pay attention. Just come and write your stories. And
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  Speaker 1: do you realize that I'm able to do what I
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  Speaker 1: do today because those teachers believed in me in the
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  Speaker 1: eleventh grade. Just write your stories.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a very important thing to remember. Usually
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  Speaker 2: somebody gets you interested. I had a teacher in the
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  Speaker 2: I think in the twelfth grade who said to her
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  Speaker 2: the class, this is a a I think it was
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  Speaker 2: a poem of a Brooklyn Brooklyn Bridge had dawned or
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  Speaker 2: something I can't even remember. And she said, I want
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  Speaker 2: you to understand poetry by rewriting and paraphrasing it. And
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  Speaker 2: she gave us that assignment, and the next day she
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  Speaker 2: read Byron class without saying my name. And I'm dying,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because I didn't worry abody to know that.
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  Speaker 2: But later she said to me, do you know that
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  Speaker 2: you're a paragraph which was a paraphrase who as good
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  Speaker 2: as the poem? I said, well, I just did what
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  Speaker 2: I thought. She said, you can. You should be writing poetry,
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  Speaker 2: And of course that's what I did. I did it
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  Speaker 2: the rest of my life. Wow, but I think I
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  Speaker 2: think it's but I would I not make tell at
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  Speaker 2: La is saying, I've been to an interview plans to
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  Speaker 2: have a little talk with neighborhood sometimes about why writing
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  Speaker 2: is important. And I thought, what is the greatest fear
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  Speaker 2: of older people, particularly senior citizens, other than dad? And
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  Speaker 2: of course it's.
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  Speaker 1: Alzheimer's Yes, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So what I write when I'm getting ready to do this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to say to them, do you realize that
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  Speaker 2: when you can't go anywhere, you're just stuck in your
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  Speaker 2: house and you're so old you can't do anything hardly,
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  Speaker 2: that all you need to be able to do is
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  Speaker 2: to write something, a memoir, write something about people in
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  Speaker 2: your home or people you remember. I said, you can
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  Speaker 2: write poetry, you can learn how to do haiku and
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  Speaker 2: make a scrap book for your grandchildren, But all these
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  Speaker 2: photographs in it, and your poems there, I said, And
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  Speaker 2: someday when you are not around, and they're going to wonder,
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  Speaker 2: what is it like when my grandmother or my great
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  Speaker 2: grandmother's alive, they would learn who you are, and you
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  Speaker 2: are now inval We're now immortal, and you're writing is immortal.
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  Speaker 2: And people like me who read Enmy Dickinson, you know,
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  Speaker 2: as you say yourself, this woman live so back in
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  Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds and they didn't even like her poetry, But
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  Speaker 2: it's in this book. How did he get in here?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? And I said, warning, it could be so rewarding
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  Speaker 2: to write it, and it won't keep you from won't.
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  Speaker 2: They may help you keep you keep having any kind
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  Speaker 2: of endangers with your memory. But if you have to
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  Speaker 2: keep thinking about words to get in a poem, you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna have to be pretty busy thinking about that. You're
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  Speaker 2: not going to be worried. You have to being mixed up. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: So I used I used topicists like that when I
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  Speaker 2: talk to people, because I say, would you like to
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  Speaker 2: learn how to read poetry? Oh, I don't read modern pory.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand it. I'll say, you're gonna you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: read my poetry and you're gonna like it because it's
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  Speaker 2: easy to understand. But I said, I said, my my
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  Speaker 2: characteristic way of looking at a poem that I put
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  Speaker 2: in my books, I would say, if I was one
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  Speaker 2: hundred years old and I read this poem and it
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  Speaker 2: was way back one hundred years before me, this storm
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  Speaker 2: existed with this storm really appealed to me. Well, if
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  Speaker 2: it appealed to me one hundred years later or to
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  Speaker 2: someone else one hundred years later, I'm going to put
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  Speaker 2: it in a book because I wanted to be in there.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a good standard. Again.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, you truly are shedding light on the hidden. Where
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  Speaker 1: can people go to find out more about your writing?
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  Speaker 1: You talked about four different books, and we need to
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  Speaker 1: start with number one all the way through because we
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  Speaker 1: need to show you some love on this path.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I have let me think a mine online. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if you go through anything that's been published very recently.
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  Speaker 2: I have three poetry books, I think the first. I
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: have seven poetry collections, but I have three online. And
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: the one that came first has just gotten online because
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  Speaker 2: I rediscovered it in the archives of some place that
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  Speaker 2: had printed it years ago, and I gave it to
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  Speaker 2: my publisher and I say, can we reproduce this book
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  Speaker 2: and just reprint it and put it in the copyright.
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  Speaker 2: And that's one called Thin Fiterfly Encounters. I think it
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  Speaker 2: just cannot a few weeks ago, but it's by really
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  Speaker 2: my fifth poetry book. Then I have the sixth one
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  Speaker 2: called Polished Stones, and another one called Soul Flowers. They
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  Speaker 2: have been published at that time, and they are all
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  Speaker 2: on either Amazon or you can go to Barnes and Noble,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: and I think they're listed in both places, but I
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: just look up my name and say books by sent
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  Speaker 2: issue and the usually go to shore Love and so Born.
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  Speaker 2: And then I have this book, of course, the prose
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  Speaker 2: piece of book if we've seen it come out, so
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  Speaker 2: it's a edible now online. I have two children's books.
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  Speaker 2: One four children who are going to read and understanding
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  Speaker 2: the alphabet, and one of them is more multiple intermediate
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  Speaker 2: grades that I wrote when I used to do in
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  Speaker 2: North Carolina on vacation, and I wrote about smoking Mountain
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  Speaker 2: troll and I put in the book of Clue, there's
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  Speaker 2: a reason why we have ruby mines in North Carolina
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  Speaker 2: in a certain place in North Carolina because of this
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  Speaker 2: troll was living in the woods and discoveryment. So I
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  Speaker 2: made up some story about a smoking mount control that
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  Speaker 2: started out make a huge monster's stroll that you know,
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  Speaker 2: changed over the years as they were married and remarried
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  Speaker 2: in one of the places, they got to be a
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  Speaker 2: little short people. And people would say to me, oh,
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  Speaker 2: the trolls are about of the woods. I said, why
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  Speaker 2: do we have ruby mines here? Well, they discovered rubies
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  Speaker 2: in some of the streams.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, I wonder how those rubies got the story,
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  Speaker 3: And I wrote the story and it's called William Brown
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  Speaker 3: and the Great Lumpy, and it's about this little clue
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  Speaker 3: and what happens when this strange visitor appears and they
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  Speaker 3: take the the house.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm not going to tell you the story. It's
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  Speaker 2: just a good story. Wow, fun story. And I found
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  Speaker 2: an a man who could illustrate things, who in Sarasota
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  Speaker 2: flo and I hired him to do the iministrations. And
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: he said, oh, I always wanted to make pictures of
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  Speaker 2: that trolls. I wanted to want to do this. I said,
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  Speaker 2: you have the opportunity.
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  Speaker 1: You said, you said, North Carolina and you're using trolls.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: You know what's going on in North Carolina right now
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  Speaker 1: with that artist that's building those trolls all the way
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  Speaker 1: through the state. In fact, we have peep with big
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  Speaker 1: feet here in Charlotte. He put one of those. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, they're trolls all over the state, and people
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: are traveling all over the state to make sure they
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: see all the trolls. It's it's spread from Oh my god,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: it's amazing if Charlotte, Ashville, Greenville, Greensboro, these trolls are
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  Speaker 1: showing up in parks and stuff. And so when you're
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: talking about trolls in North Carolina, I'm going, oh my god, Cynthia,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: you are spot on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's great. I didn't know anything about it.
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  Speaker 2: I have stopped going there. Of course. I owned a
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  Speaker 2: house there for a long time that I would my
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: parents could stay and if they went up there, and
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  Speaker 2: I would go up there and spend And we had
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  Speaker 2: a group of people that you probably read about me.
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  Speaker 2: We had a little artists group. You got to get there.
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  Speaker 2: And when I was writing poetry and they were writing
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  Speaker 2: music and they we were having a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: And that's when I wrote this particular book a little
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  Speaker 2: bit later and published it and had this another artist
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  Speaker 2: who work for me. And as it turned out, I
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  Speaker 2: would tell people when I moved out and what I
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  Speaker 2: had to sell that house, and and not ready to
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  Speaker 2: go up there anymore, I said, Oh, I have a
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  Speaker 2: story about this place in North Carolina where they sold
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  Speaker 2: smoking out in trolls. Oh what is it? I said,
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  Speaker 2: Its online. If you have anybody in your family they're
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: old enough to read it, or to you would read
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  Speaker 2: it to them. I said, it's a fun story. So
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about that.
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  Speaker 1: I hear this, Wow, that's wow. Well you're gonna have
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: to come back to this show anytime in the future.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: So we can break out a game of playing the
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  Speaker 1: trolls and maybe seeing some pictures of it and talking
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  Speaker 1: about it, because I would love for you to see,
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  Speaker 1: like Pete with Big Feet here in Charlotte and experience
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  Speaker 1: that troll moment because I can't shake it, Cynthia, it
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  Speaker 1: is with me. And now I want to go read
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  Speaker 1: pros Pete's and while sitting next to Pete with Big Feet.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, well you have to read it. Will Ron in
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: the Great Lundy to read the story of the trolls?
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Well, then that's what I gotta do, because I mean you,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I mean you have really sparked up my imagination by
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: bringing this up, and I am going to do that,
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  Speaker 1: and then I would love to figure out some way
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  Speaker 1: to talk to you about that while I'm sitting with
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  Speaker 1: Pete with Big Feet.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll be glad to come back anytime you want me.
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  Speaker 1: Excellent, Will you be brilliant today? Okay? And thank you
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: so much for being so creative and sharing it with
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  Speaker 1: readers around the world.
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  Speaker 2: If you very much for inviting me. Thank I enjoyed it.