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2024 Coaching Additions, Franchise Tag Window Open | Jaguars Happy Hour · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, February twenty second. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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Speaker 2: Cheer and not even a close second in fact, Welcome in.
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Speaker 2: It's Jaguars Happy Hour on this Thursday. It's February twenty second.
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Speaker 2: We've got a busy hour ahead. Coaching staff has been
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Speaker 2: announced today. The assistant coaches, most of them on defense,
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Speaker 2: announced by the Jaguars officially, though they have been around
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Speaker 2: for a little bit. Apparently the official announcement earlier will
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Speaker 2: go through those guys. The scouting combine next week in Indianapolis.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to some of the things we have in
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Speaker 2: store on Jaguars dot Com and Jaguars Radio next week.
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Speaker 2: And it's always a kind of the reset building into
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Speaker 2: the next year. We will keep it real as we
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Speaker 2: always do on Jaguars Happy Hour. And our Microsoft social
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Speaker 2: media questions came in hot and heavy today. We've got
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Speaker 2: answers to those questions. Maybe J P. Shadwick with you,
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Speaker 2: Glad you're with us today on Jaguars Happy Hour. Brought
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Speaker 2: Senior writer John Osiers steps in the valiantly good afternoon.
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Speaker 3: What season is it?
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Speaker 2: Is?
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Speaker 3: It is Jeff killing something or it's a great question.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's Turkey season.
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Speaker 3: Usually when he's not here, something innocent.
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Speaker 2: Dear season. I don't know. Yeah, but we all eat
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Speaker 2: well a few months after that whenever he's gone.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, happy to be here, great.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming in. We appreciate that. And a lot
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Speaker 2: going on. Of course, I'm really starting to build up.
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Speaker 2: It hasn't really been happening the last month or so,
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Speaker 2: but it's felt like it's starting to build toward. Okay,
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Speaker 2: the combine next week. They've announced the coaching staff. Here's
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Speaker 2: the tag, windows open, they've got a cut players at
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Speaker 2: some point. We'll get to all that and the schedule
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Speaker 2: ahead coming up in just a little bit. But one
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Speaker 2: of the biggest priorities was getting the coaching staff finalized.
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Speaker 2: After making a bunch of cuts, certainly on the defensive
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Speaker 2: side of the football. The Jaguars today announced all the
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Speaker 2: assistant coaches here in the twenty twenty four season and beyond,
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Speaker 2: including Ryan Nielson, who spoke with the media last week
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Speaker 2: and you know, he was asked, Hey, when are you
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Speaker 2: finalizing the staff, and he kind of looked over to
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Speaker 2: the pr staff for the right He's like, well, they're here,
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Speaker 2: but we'll get to, you know, the finalization of that
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Speaker 2: coming up. Well it's here. Now. What does Nielsen think
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Speaker 2: of the staff that he's hired?
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Speaker 4: Excited about the guys work with, some of them haven't
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Speaker 4: worked with, other coached a few, and so it's just
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Speaker 4: it's a great group of guys that been very close
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Speaker 4: to know that first and foremost good men. Secondly, really
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Speaker 4: good teachers, teachers of the game, and so when you
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Speaker 4: put those two things together, you know they're eager and excited.
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Speaker 4: We see a lot of similarities John.
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Speaker 2: We'll go through the names here in a moment, but
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Speaker 2: it's a mix of guys that he either coached or
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Speaker 2: was with in other places and a couple of guys
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Speaker 2: that may not have been even involved in that process before.
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Speaker 2: But starting with defensive backs coach Chris Richard. That'll be
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Speaker 2: a focal point I think a lot, because hey, that
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Speaker 2: secondary is a big piece of what they're gonna do
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Speaker 2: obviously on the defensive side of the ball. Chris Richard
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Speaker 2: serving as the defensive backs coach seventeen years of NFL
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Speaker 2: coaching and playing experience. He was with Nielsen with the
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Speaker 2: Saints in twenty twenty two, so a couple of years
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Speaker 2: ago when they were fifth in total defense and played
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Speaker 2: thirty eight games in the NFL. Let's start with that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is you know, if you look at
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Speaker 2: a lot of the needs the lists for the Jaguars,
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Speaker 2: cornerback is right up there the top.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the defensive backs coach overall, a lot of
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Speaker 3: people believe it's the most important secondary. I mean, I
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Speaker 3: do the most important assistant defense position now because realistically
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Speaker 3: the front seven is much simpler by comparison, You're scheming
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Speaker 3: more in the back. The defensive coordinator in this case
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Speaker 3: is a is a front seven guy, a defensive line guy.
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Speaker 3: So so what will depend on the back seven? You
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Speaker 3: hear good things, I mean, it will depends on the
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Speaker 3: secondary coach. You hear good things about Chris Richard, You
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Speaker 3: hear good things about the entire staff. I'm not going
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Speaker 3: to sit here and pretend to know exactly how he's
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Speaker 3: going to approach things. To me, the important thing about
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Speaker 3: the defensive assistants are are they on the same page
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Speaker 3: as the defensive coordinator you would think starting off they are?
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Speaker 3: Can they get buy in from the players beyond that?
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Speaker 3: You know me, JP, I don't particularly overemphasize assistant coaches
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Speaker 3: in turn philosophy. It's mainly do the guys in the
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Speaker 3: room believe what these guys are saying? And can they
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Speaker 3: translate with the defensive coordinator once I'm gonna trust they can't.
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Speaker 2: Another secondary addition defensive assistant and cornerbacks coach Corey Robinson. Well,
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Speaker 2: Robinson comes in from the University of Tennessee the volunteers,
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Speaker 2: but he spent three years with the Saints and Hents.
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Speaker 2: The connection guys with Ryan Nielsen. And then another assistant
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Speaker 2: secondary coach and defensive analyst is Mike Gray, so that
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Speaker 2: completes the secondary staff. Matt House the inside linebackers coach.
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Speaker 2: He was two years with LSU and the Tigers were
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Speaker 2: the top tackling team in the SEC sixth and total
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Speaker 2: defense and was with the Chiefs for three years before that,
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Speaker 2: so he's been around the league for a little bit
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Speaker 2: and he'll have his hands on the inside linebackers. That's
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Speaker 2: obviously a huge focus of this defense.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Devin Lloyd to me, is a huge key
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Speaker 3: for this defense. Can they get the most out of him?
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Speaker 2: Uh?
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Speaker 3: Can they get him playing at a high level in
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Speaker 3: terms of, uh, maybe not making the mistakes that he
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Speaker 3: makes when he's keyed on? And Uh, so that's a
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Speaker 3: big deal Foroyer Lucon. You know, to me, seems like
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Speaker 3: the kind of guy, no matter who's coaching him, is
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Speaker 3: going to bring his a game to the table and
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Speaker 3: be able to adapt a veteran of the game. Can
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Speaker 3: they reach Devin Lloyd? Uh? You know, I assume they can.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think there'll be a focus and uh,
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Speaker 3: we'll see. I'm not sure. Can an assistant make him
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Speaker 3: make tackles? Can have him in the right gaps? We'll see.
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Speaker 2: We will find out. Defensive line coaches Jeremy Garrett and Garretts,
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Speaker 2: a guy who actually played for Nielsen at Old Miss
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Speaker 2: when Nielsen was a defensive line coach for the Rebels
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Speaker 2: that was from four to seven, and the ed Orgeron
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Speaker 2: years at Old Miss. Sure, it's a long long time
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Speaker 2: ago and most recently been at Auburn last season, but
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Speaker 2: has some time in the NFL as a coach with
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Speaker 2: the Cleveland Brown So defensive line, there's a at least
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Speaker 2: coming into this offseason, a lot of players with a
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Speaker 2: lot of big contracts up here in the middle of
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Speaker 2: this defensive line. We'll see who's around. It feels like
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Speaker 2: they're all going to have to be back because of
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Speaker 2: the dead cap numbers. So he's got some guys to
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Speaker 2: work with and they've got to get stouder and bigger
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Speaker 2: up front.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a curious spot to me because Devon Hamilton,
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Speaker 3: you have to trust will come back and be better
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Speaker 3: than he was last year with the back injury. I mean,
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Speaker 3: with the back issue, we're going to assume that that
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Speaker 3: rights itself fully. Fight Acasi in two years since being
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Speaker 3: signed as an interstrict free agent has been inconsistent at best.
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Speaker 3: So can they get out of him? Do they want
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Speaker 3: him back? The cap numbers suggests they might have to
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Speaker 3: somewhere up front. You need better stouter play where Robertson
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Speaker 3: Harrison will be back because of his contract, So do
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Speaker 3: they add somebody in there is something they want to address.
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Speaker 3: Can you add somebody? If Photocosi is back to me,
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Speaker 3: it's a huge storyline. They have to be better and
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Speaker 3: stouter than they were at the end of the season
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Speaker 3: in order to be a better run defense because at
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Speaker 3: the end of the season last year they couldn't stop
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Speaker 3: the run, which was absolutely opposite of what they were
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Speaker 3: early in the season. How do they get there? Maybe
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Speaker 3: it's coaching.
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Speaker 2: Remember Bill Shuey was one of the coaches retained from
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Speaker 2: the defensive staff, the outside linebackers coach. He has an
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Speaker 2: assistant with him now, Mario Jebriel, So he joins the
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Speaker 2: staff and helps out Shoey with some of the big
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Speaker 2: time names obviously in Trayvon Walker and Josh Allen. If
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Speaker 2: they can figure out the situation with Josh and the
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Speaker 2: contract going into free agency.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna we have more to say about that.
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Speaker 2: I'm going forward.
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Speaker 3: I think they'll be coaching Josh Allen, Bill shoe You know,
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Speaker 3: if Bill Shoey, if he had anything to do with
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Speaker 3: the twenty seven point five sacks, good for keeping him.
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Speaker 2: Out about that.
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Speaker 3: So obviously did the job.
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Speaker 2: Ten Tonight's l JP Shadwick with John Oser, we're going
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Speaker 2: through the additions to the coaching staff for twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: four and a few offensive additions as well. Bertie Parmally
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Speaker 2: no longer the running backs coach, and Jerry Mack officially
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Speaker 2: announced as a running backs coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars
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Speaker 2: his first season in the National Football League. Twenty years
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Speaker 2: in college football. He was with the University of Tennessee
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Speaker 2: the last three seasons, and they were number one in
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Speaker 2: rushing in the Southeastern Conference a year ago and two
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Speaker 2: years ago we were the best offense in college football.
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Speaker 2: He threw the ball around a good bit that two
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Speaker 2: years ago, but fantastic career in college football. Now take
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Speaker 2: in that step and we've seen a little bit of
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Speaker 2: that trend. There was a lot of kind of buzz
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Speaker 2: on X today of some national reporters talking about how
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Speaker 2: many college coaches are jumping out of college and trying
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Speaker 2: to get back to the NFL to get away from
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Speaker 2: some of this nil and off the field backs in college,
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Speaker 2: and that's that can be real. We haven't talked to
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Speaker 2: Jerry mack about that, but hey, it is a different style,
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Speaker 2: a different schedule year round, and Jerry mcnow gets his
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Speaker 2: first NFL chance.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you were a college coach when you went
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Speaker 3: out to I mean it's a mess. So I again,
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Speaker 3: I have no idea if that's why Jerry mac want
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Speaker 3: it out or want it in. Look running backs coach.
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Speaker 3: He has a great resume. You would assume that a
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Speaker 3: big part of it will be working with Tank Bigsby,
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Speaker 3: trying to get the running backs up to speed in
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Speaker 3: terms of pass blocking, in terms of steps to the
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Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, detail things. His resume is great. The
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Speaker 3: task to me for the running backs coach is making
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Speaker 3: sure you get more out of Bigsby than he did
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Speaker 3: last year. They like him as a runner, he was
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Speaker 3: not ready last year in third down situations or in
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Speaker 3: passing situations. That's not unusual for a rookie running back
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Speaker 3: at all, but it's something that you need to be
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Speaker 3: able to do to get on the field in big situations.
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Speaker 3: I would think that's a huge task for the running
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Speaker 3: backs coach.
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Speaker 2: With Tank Bigsby, Yeah, they didn't have a consistent option
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Speaker 2: outside of traves et.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, it's so tough situation. It's so
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Speaker 3: tough to judge the position. I got a lot of
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Speaker 3: questions about what the running backs they struggled last year.
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Speaker 3: Etn's numbers dropped in terms of yards per carry three
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Speaker 3: point eight from I think I think it was five
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Speaker 3: point one in twenty twenty two. I put those kind
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Speaker 3: of numbers more on the offensive line than I do
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Speaker 3: the backs. To me, backs can usually run if they
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Speaker 3: have room.
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Speaker 2: In the NFL, Phil Rousser is still the offensive line coach,
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Speaker 2: but he has a new assistant this year, Greg Austin promoted.
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Speaker 2: He was a quality control coach last year for the
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Speaker 2: Jaguars on the offensive side, but now the assistant offensive
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Speaker 2: line coach for the Jaguars. So Austin will get his
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Speaker 2: hands a little more on this Jaguars offensive line. We're
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Speaker 2: expecting some moving parts in this offseason, and it all
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Speaker 2: starts right there for this offense.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, offensive line to me is we could easily spend
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Speaker 3: an hour a week until free agency talking about the
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Speaker 3: offensive line because there are so many different directions they
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Speaker 3: could go. Are they going to do anything with the
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Speaker 3: center position? Are you going to bring Cam Robinson back?
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Speaker 3: And if you do or don't, that could mean an
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Speaker 3: entirely new combination starting there, meaning Anton Harrison on the
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Speaker 3: left and walk a little on the right. Or he
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Speaker 3: could mean the same combination meaning Robinson on the left
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Speaker 3: and Anton Harrison on the right. I assume Brandon Sheriff
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Speaker 3: isn't back because of contract. What does that mean for
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Speaker 3: Cooper Hodges? Do they trust him coming in? I you
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Speaker 3: and I could probably both list out five different starting
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Speaker 3: combinations right now that we predict for week one, and
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Speaker 3: one of us could be right when it's gonna be
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Speaker 3: completely I mean, and I would flip a coin right
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Speaker 3: now on what that might look like in terms of
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Speaker 3: it being right. There's a whatever that number is. You
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Speaker 3: start multiplying combinations, you know, it could get to be
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Speaker 3: five million different chances. I don't know if it's that,
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Speaker 3: but there's a lot of different chances on this offensive line,
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Speaker 3: but it's got to be better.
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Speaker 2: And one final edition. Jamel Matunga is the offensive quality
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Speaker 2: control coach. Congratulations to him last season with the Carolina
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Speaker 2: Panthers as an offensive assistant, trying to work his way
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Speaker 2: up in the coaching ran in the National Football League.
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Speaker 2: So there you have it. The coaching staff announced the Jaguars,
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Speaker 2: and yeah, there is some work to be done between
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Speaker 2: now and then and these guys hitting the ground running
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Speaker 2: to try to get ready for this twenty twenty four
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Speaker 2: season and well up up next though for them was
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Speaker 2: the NFL Scouting Combine. We'll come back in a moment
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Speaker 2: and get in to the week ahead in Indianapolis. It
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Speaker 2: starts on media Row on Tuesday of next week. We're
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Speaker 2: on tintin XL, Jaguars dot com, Jaguars YouTube, JP Shadrick
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Speaker 2: with John Oser and Jaguars Happy Hour is brought to
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Speaker 2: Water It's worth saving. Welcome back. It's Jaguars Happy Hour,
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Speaker 2: for Jeff Loghman this week. You're here, Well, it's great.
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Speaker 3: I'm glad to be here.
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Speaker 2: It's at greater a lot about to really go on
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Speaker 2: in the next couple weeks. We're on TENENXL, Jaguars dot Com,
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Speaker 2: show each and every Thursday at four o'clock.
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Speaker 3: Let's trying to find the camera.
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's like seventeen cameras in here. Yeah we
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Speaker 2: get every angle. Yes, we don't miss one.
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Speaker 3: And that's too many angles.
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Speaker 2: and that's it's always a fun event, man. There's a
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Speaker 2: lot going on around the stadium. And I challenged Bisselli
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Speaker 2: one year to that head to head five K. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: the stadium, five K, through the ramps and everything. Oh,
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Speaker 2: it didn't go well for me.
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Speaker 3: I'm not good at up and down.
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Speaker 2: I'm not good at much of anything. And I found
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Speaker 2: this was action when I was back running a lot
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Speaker 2: and I kept up with Tony for like half a mile,
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Speaker 2: and I didn't keep up with Tony anymore. He just
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Speaker 2: turned on a little bit an extra year. Yeah, this
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Speaker 2: is before the hip win.
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Speaker 3: Okay, gotcha? Yeah yeah, yeah, I could see that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'd be being mean, not going Yeah, a
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Speaker 2: really good one too. Yeah, the most athletic tackle in
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Speaker 2: the history. Yeah, right, that and he turned on his jet.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure you could do that now though with
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Speaker 3: a new hit.
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Speaker 2: Probably not. I should challenge him again.
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Speaker 3: It would be bad for you if you lost.
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Speaker 2: Now, it was bad for me. Anyway, I heard a
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Speaker 2: lot about it. You might actually be able to find
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Speaker 2: that on Jaguars dot com. We need a story about that.
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Speaker 3: That was a long, long time ago, though it's a
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Speaker 3: minute while.
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Speaker 2: It's been a while. Hey, there's a busy time coming up.
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Speaker 2: Of course, the Jaguars seems like they might have some
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Speaker 2: action in the franchise tag window, at least that's been
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Speaker 2: the conversation this whole offseason so far, and that window
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Speaker 2: is open now through March fifth. March fifth the deadline
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Speaker 2: to put the franchise tag on a player, and we'll
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Speaker 2: see what happens in the next couple weeks. With that
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Speaker 2: the NFL Scouting Combine starts next week in Indianapolis. We'll
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Speaker 2: be on the ground there starting Tuesday at the Radio
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Speaker 2: Row at the Indiana Convention Center as always, Tuesday, Wednesday,
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Speaker 2: Thursday on field testing, I believe, begins Thursday. They kind
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Speaker 2: of roll the position groups through as always, a position
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Speaker 2: group has interviews, media stuff a couple days before they're
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Speaker 2: on the actual field testing. They're interviewing with teams throughout.
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Speaker 2: There's medical exams, there's all happening at one time, and
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Speaker 2: all these different position groups kind of spread it out
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Speaker 2: day to day. The free agency negotiation period March eleventh
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Speaker 2: through the thirteenth, and then the thirteenth at four o'clock
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Speaker 2: is the start of the league year in twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: four and free agency begins. So between now and then,
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Speaker 2: you gotta clear some space if you're gonna start making
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Speaker 2: some runs at top tier free agency guys.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would expect two or three moves along
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Speaker 3: those lines. Either that or it's always hard to know.
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Speaker 3: People ask, well, who thinks getting cut, It's hard to
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Speaker 3: know how they're going to do it. In terms of
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Speaker 3: you might extend guys, you might add some voidable years.
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Speaker 3: There's ways to clear cap space. I would think players
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Speaker 3: such as Rayshawn Jenkins, Brandon Sheriff, maybe Cam Robinson of
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Speaker 3: a great feel for that. But there are guys who
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Speaker 3: you know, when you sign these guys for certain deals
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Speaker 3: in certain years, you're not really signing them with the
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Speaker 3: idea that they're going to be around for five years.
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Speaker 3: Even the duration of the contract. You're hoping that they
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Speaker 3: can play at a high level to a certain point,
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Speaker 3: and then you have to have drafted well to see.
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Speaker 3: That's part of the business. And I'm not saying Sheriff
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Speaker 3: and ray Shon are bad players, but they seem like
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Speaker 3: guys at the stage of their careers where it might
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Speaker 3: be time to transition. So I would expect moves along
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Speaker 3: those lines before free agency begins. You know, people always ask, well,
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Speaker 3: what's surprises do you expect, which you wouldn't be surprised, Yes.
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Speaker 2: So I think the one that is interesting that's the
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Speaker 2: Cam Robinson one. That's a tough one to deal with
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Speaker 2: because it's what twenty something million.
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Speaker 3: Dollars cap numbers astronomically high.
19:11
Speaker 2: But he was really good when he was out there.
19:13
Speaker 3: He has been a really, really good player for them
19:16
Speaker 3: for a long time, reliable matters in the locker room.
19:20
Speaker 3: To me, he's sort of a core guy, you know.
19:23
Speaker 3: He's a guy who sort of represents what the Jaguars
19:25
Speaker 3: have been for the last five six a and say, oh,
19:28
Speaker 3: well they didn't win a lot, but you know what
19:30
Speaker 3: I'm getting at, right, And he has been a guy
19:35
Speaker 3: who has increasingly become a leader around the team, a
19:41
Speaker 3: little bit of a spokesman last year, but beyond that,
19:44
Speaker 3: he's been really solid. And I always say, give up
19:49
Speaker 3: dependable players at.
19:50
Speaker 2: Your own risk, you know, so they don't come around
19:54
Speaker 2: that all.
19:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes you have to do it, but there's also
19:56
Speaker 3: guys that when you give them up, you're as soon
19:59
Speaker 3: as you do, you're trying to find another version of that.
20:01
Speaker 2: Right, So, pretty darn deep at tackles right last year
20:05
Speaker 2: because of all the tackles they have Anton Harrison, you're little. Well,
20:09
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you get rid of one of those,
20:10
Speaker 2: you're not as deep anymore.
20:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's what that's the thing. When you start
20:16
Speaker 3: playing what I call depth chart football in the off season,
20:20
Speaker 3: it's really easy to fall into the trap of well,
20:22
Speaker 3: they've got this guy left tackle, this guy right tackle,
20:24
Speaker 3: and this guy at center, this guy guard, and then
20:26
Speaker 3: all of a sudden on October fourteenth, you don't have
20:28
Speaker 3: that guy at left tackle and you need one to
20:29
Speaker 3: step in. So that has been a dependable situation where
20:35
Speaker 3: when you see a guy go down during the season,
20:38
Speaker 3: you're not panicking when all of a sudden, Cam Robinson
20:41
Speaker 3: can't play for a week. Now, if Walker Little or
20:45
Speaker 3: Anton Harrison can't play for a week and Cam's not
20:47
Speaker 3: here now, you're probably talking about a rookie or a
20:51
Speaker 3: guy who you don't feels good about. At the same time,
20:55
Speaker 3: his cap number is really really high. So at some
20:58
Speaker 3: point you have to be able to trust guys you
21:01
Speaker 3: have drafted to replace guys that you drafted a long
21:04
Speaker 3: time ago. Is that the time now for Cam Robinson?
21:08
Speaker 3: I think we'll find out the next couple of weeks.
21:09
Speaker 2: I mean, in theory, you could renegotiate and push some
21:12
Speaker 2: things out and you know, trim it down some, but
21:15
Speaker 2: still he still gets his money. But you know, is
21:19
Speaker 2: that in the long term plan of the organization. Are
21:22
Speaker 2: they so confident in the other two tackles? Well, Little
21:25
Speaker 2: and antime they wouldn't.
21:27
Speaker 3: Do that on paper and in the planning rooms and
21:30
Speaker 3: on the like I said on the PowerPoint presentations, that's
21:34
Speaker 3: what you're that's what you would want to do with
21:39
Speaker 3: Cam because he's what going into is eighth year next year.
21:42
Speaker 3: That's starting to get to be the point where you
21:44
Speaker 3: do want to have drafted well enough where you know, hey,
21:49
Speaker 3: it's a business, we have to move on. But games
21:52
Speaker 3: aren't played on PowerPoint presentations, so sometimes it doesn't work
21:58
Speaker 3: out as well. And you but that's I don't know
22:01
Speaker 3: which way they'll go, but that's what they have to
22:03
Speaker 3: balance as you move forward with Well, ideally, here's what
22:07
Speaker 3: we would do. Yeah, but he's really really good, so
22:10
Speaker 3: you sort of you know, that's the dilemma. It's why
22:14
Speaker 3: they're there and we're here.
22:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's it's a similar conversation on the interior too.
22:19
Speaker 2: I mean, at some point you got to get big
22:21
Speaker 2: bodies that can go out there and play Ivan Tyler
22:23
Speaker 2: Shatley's a free agent coming up. He was obviously showed
22:26
Speaker 2: his value a lot over the years. Ten years here.
22:28
Speaker 2: For goodness sakes, he's stuck around all these different regimes
22:31
Speaker 2: for a reason because he goes out there when he
22:34
Speaker 2: has to and he produces. But he's also a tenth
22:37
Speaker 2: year player or going into his eleventh year.
22:39
Speaker 3: I think coming up and think about what we're talking
22:41
Speaker 3: about here, JP, you're talking about not really knowing what
22:45
Speaker 3: the future is for Cam, for Ezra Cleveland, for Shatley
22:49
Speaker 3: and Sheriff.
22:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cleveland's a free agent as well.
22:51
Speaker 3: So that's a lot of veteran bodies to be walking
22:58
Speaker 3: out if none of them return. So that's why I
23:02
Speaker 3: keep talking about whenever I talk about this, the many,
23:06
Speaker 3: many options, many potential plans. It's gonna be fascinating a
23:11
Speaker 3: couple of weeks at a couple of weeks at at
23:14
Speaker 3: that position, because now you've got to wonder how much
23:18
Speaker 3: do you trust Cooper Hodges, who they like a lot,
23:21
Speaker 3: but who has never played in the NFL beyond a
23:23
Speaker 3: few practices. How do they feel about Luke Fordner? I
23:27
Speaker 3: know fans are down on them. I don't get the
23:30
Speaker 3: idea of the team is down on as.
23:32
Speaker 2: The fans publicly they have said they supported.
23:34
Speaker 3: Right, So Ezra Cleveland, who played here five or six
23:40
Speaker 3: games they like a lot, can they get them back?
23:43
Speaker 3: So it's uh, the offensive line is gonna look a
23:46
Speaker 3: lot different next year. It's gonna be interesting to see
23:49
Speaker 3: do you bring in a free agent, draft a rookie,
23:52
Speaker 3: then you have Cooper. It could look a lot different
23:54
Speaker 3: that they have to make the right moves over the
23:56
Speaker 3: next what two months.
23:58
Speaker 2: Or they could just make one. If they don't bring
24:01
Speaker 2: the right guard back Sheriff, then the other four stay.
24:04
Speaker 2: It's almost the saving I know.
24:06
Speaker 3: To get the other four day, you have to resign's right,
24:08
Speaker 3: which is he's a veteran guy with four years.
24:12
Speaker 2: If that happens, then it would be the same five
24:14
Speaker 2: at the end of the year.
24:15
Speaker 3: It could be and or four of the five. So
24:17
Speaker 3: in that case then you have to go with storyline
24:20
Speaker 3: of well, that group needs to play better. That's right,
24:22
Speaker 3: and groups can play better, but that group needs to
24:25
Speaker 3: play better, especially on the interior.
24:27
Speaker 2: We've got plenty ahead. We're gonna come back though, John
24:29
Speaker 2: as if we haven't done this yet. We're gonna keep
24:31
Speaker 2: it real when we come back, okay, and we're gonna
24:35
Speaker 2: flip it to defense. Have a big name. Everybody's talking
24:40
Speaker 2: about Josh, Oh, yeah, that guy. Say what you think
24:44
Speaker 2: I was thinking about?
24:45
Speaker 3: I thought you were probably talking about what that look
24:48
Speaker 3: that was wondering.
24:49
Speaker 2: I'd be curious what you thought I was thinking. Uh,
24:52
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25:10
Speaker 4: A lot of production, right, very important. And so when
25:12
Speaker 4: you got a guy like that and and you want
25:16
Speaker 4: him back, and I think that's going to work out,
25:19
Speaker 4: would be really excited that works out, Really excited to
25:22
Speaker 4: work with him. Nothing but great things. Talk to Josh
25:25
Speaker 4: and he's been he's been fantastic, and so that'll get
25:29
Speaker 4: worked out. Get him back and get him, get him going,
25:32
Speaker 4: and hopefully get him into improve That's ultimate goal, right,
25:34
Speaker 4: just take one. We can just get that much better
25:36
Speaker 4: next year. Really, what does that look like? That's pretty exciting, right,
25:39
Speaker 4: and so that's kind of what we want to work towards.
25:42
Speaker 2: That's Ryan Nielsen, Jagg's defensive coordinator, last week during his
25:45
Speaker 2: press conference a week ago today, when asked about Josh
25:49
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26:08
Speaker 2: in this offseason up until about mid June at the
26:10
Speaker 2: end of the offseason. Program time. Now, John for keeping
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Speaker 2: it real. All right, this is what we do. We
26:17
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26:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, you're rero. Nielson's quote should have been big fan,
26:23
Speaker 3: big fan, Josh a lot good answer.
26:27
Speaker 2: The question today, though, is not about whether you like
26:30
Speaker 2: him or not, because I think everybody's in agreement that
26:33
Speaker 2: the DAGs like him. Josh Allen likes it all that
26:37
Speaker 2: if it's a franchise tag and he plays under that,
26:40
Speaker 2: if it's a long term deal and he plays under that,
26:43
Speaker 2: if it's a tag, then they get to a deal
26:45
Speaker 2: before the season. Does it really matter if he's just
26:49
Speaker 2: on the field next.
26:50
Speaker 3: Year for next year. No, I mean, I think you
26:53
Speaker 3: would like to get him locked up for the long
26:56
Speaker 3: term or I would. I think he's a very safe
27:01
Speaker 3: a safe resigning for a lot of reasons that I've
27:03
Speaker 3: outlined many times in recent weeks. He's a really good player,
27:11
Speaker 3: even if he's not getting huge sack numbers. And I've
27:14
Speaker 3: said a million times people get tired of me saying it.
27:16
Speaker 3: But when he had seven and a half sacks seven
27:18
Speaker 3: sacks In the years leading up to his seventeen and
27:21
Speaker 3: a half sack season, I still thought he was by
27:24
Speaker 3: far the best defensive player on the team, and when
27:27
Speaker 3: a defensive player would be hurt, I would always scan
27:29
Speaker 3: the field hoping it wasn't Josh Allen, because I don't
27:32
Speaker 3: know where you go to replace what he gives you
27:34
Speaker 3: in terms of consistency, really good against the run, effort
27:39
Speaker 3: always there. You never hear you know, a lot of
27:42
Speaker 3: pass rushers, you'll hear risks, Hey, it takes plays off.
27:45
Speaker 3: We never hear that about Josh. So to me, you
27:50
Speaker 3: get him resigned, get a deal done. But that's easy
27:52
Speaker 3: for me to say. I'm not sitting there looking at
27:54
Speaker 3: the numbers trying to crunch what value is on that.
27:56
Speaker 3: That's up to those guys. So it would seem like
28:02
Speaker 3: that's something you want to do. In terms of what
28:05
Speaker 3: happens on the field, I don't think it matters that
28:09
Speaker 3: much for twenty twenty four whether he's tagged or whether
28:12
Speaker 3: he is under long term deal, as long as the
28:20
Speaker 3: long term deal discussions aren't insulting. But even if they are, Josh,
28:28
Speaker 3: to me is a guy who it's a business, so
28:32
Speaker 3: there's things that go back and forth during negotiations that
28:35
Speaker 3: might you know, anytime you have human beings talking to
28:37
Speaker 3: each other, irritated, happy, whatever all those things are. But
28:41
Speaker 3: I don't think he carries that into his preparation, and
28:44
Speaker 3: I don't think he carries anything business side of it
28:48
Speaker 3: into how he gives during a season. You've been around
28:52
Speaker 3: him for five years, Jp, I have two. He plays
28:56
Speaker 3: for his teammates, his team's pride. So I don't think
28:59
Speaker 3: you're going to see a big difference in Josh whether
29:02
Speaker 3: he's franchised or whether he is a long term deal.
29:05
Speaker 3: I think the reason the long term deal is so
29:06
Speaker 3: important is because I want to see him here in
29:08
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, yeah, in twenty twenty six.
29:11
Speaker 2: And from Josh's perspective, the long term deal is guaranteed
29:14
Speaker 2: more money, sure over longer period. So more money is
29:17
Speaker 2: better than less money, right.
29:18
Speaker 3: But the question is does it matter for twenty twenty
29:21
Speaker 3: four now? If he is franchised and has ten sacks
29:26
Speaker 3: compared to seventeen and a half, then everybody's gonna say, well,
29:29
Speaker 3: ye know, he's mad he didn't you. But I don't
29:31
Speaker 3: see him being a guy who doesn't prepare. I thought
29:35
Speaker 3: he prepared at the same level and effort whatever. I'm
29:41
Speaker 3: not sure there was a big difference in his preparation
29:43
Speaker 3: between twenty three and moving between twenty twenty two and
29:47
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. He timed it right and had a
29:50
Speaker 3: huge year. But you can't tell me that he was
29:52
Speaker 3: that much more motivated well in twenty twenty three than
29:55
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two.
29:56
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm with you on that because his every
29:58
Speaker 2: day he.
29:59
Speaker 3: Was playing for a contract year before TiO.
30:01
Speaker 2: Work habits and everything or what they are. But I
30:03
Speaker 2: think he heard some of that noise. Yeah, I mean
30:05
Speaker 2: he at least told me that at Yeah, did was
30:09
Speaker 2: there a game wrecker on this defense? That was the
30:11
Speaker 2: big question going into that season, and I think he
30:15
Speaker 2: spent a lot of this offseason thinking about that and
30:17
Speaker 2: how he could become that game wrecking air quote type
30:21
Speaker 2: of player. And sack numbers turned him into that guy.
30:24
Speaker 2: But to your point about you know, in twenty twenty
30:27
Speaker 2: two he only had seven sacks, right, good year, solid year,
30:30
Speaker 2: but he also still had twenty two quarterback hits, eleven
30:35
Speaker 2: less than he had last year. He had four forced fumbles,
30:39
Speaker 2: two recoveries, which are hard to judge. But he also
30:41
Speaker 2: had that touchdown in the last week of the season,
30:43
Speaker 2: so he was impactful in other ways beyond just sacks.
30:47
Speaker 2: That's your point, and I think that will be at
30:51
Speaker 2: least the bottom floor the basement of what he will be.
30:54
Speaker 2: He's always going to be around the football and impactful
30:57
Speaker 2: in some way, if it's if it's sacking the quarter otherwise.
31:00
Speaker 3: And my point with Josh is, I don't think you're
31:02
Speaker 3: going to get a lower a different level of preparation, effort,
31:07
Speaker 3: desire based on whatever you do, whatever happens in the
31:12
Speaker 3: off season, whether he's franchised, whether he's not, I don't
31:15
Speaker 3: think you're going to get a different level of preparation
31:17
Speaker 3: and effort and even impact. I think he's always going
31:22
Speaker 3: to be a pressure guy, whether it breaks right, and
31:24
Speaker 3: he always gets sacks. Sacks sometimes or beyond a player's control.
31:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, you can be right there around it,
31:32
Speaker 2: near it, and then you get it out or it's
31:35
Speaker 2: fumbled or whatever before you get there, or whatever happened.
31:37
Speaker 3: And the best example I can give of that Hall
31:40
Speaker 3: of Famer Dwight Freeney once told me his best year
31:43
Speaker 3: was when he had four and a half sacks, and
31:46
Speaker 3: he felt like he played better that year. His opportunities
31:50
Speaker 3: weren't the same, but he swore up and down that
31:54
Speaker 3: his best year was when he had four and a
31:55
Speaker 3: half sacks compared to thirteen or twelve. And sometimes it's
31:58
Speaker 3: a circumstance, and this is a guy who you know,
32:02
Speaker 3: had a lot of double digit, double digit sax seasons.
32:06
Speaker 2: Something to keep an eye on the next couple of weeks.
32:09
Speaker 2: You know, if they don't come to a long term
32:11
Speaker 2: deal before March fifth, do they, they're going to have
32:14
Speaker 2: to put the tag on him and we'll see what happens.
32:17
Speaker 3: Well, I'm assuming that he's deal, he'll tag it. He'll
32:21
Speaker 3: have the tag, so we'll have to And then does
32:25
Speaker 3: that mean you can get him to a long term
32:27
Speaker 3: deal later. I would think it would be something that
32:31
Speaker 3: keep working on. But so much of this is speculation
32:35
Speaker 3: because they're really not I don't think either side is
32:37
Speaker 3: going to talk very much about the specifics of this
32:41
Speaker 3: until you're franchised, and then you know, they may say, no,
32:45
Speaker 3: he's just gonna play on the tag this year. I
32:47
Speaker 3: don't have a good feel for which way that'll go.
32:50
Speaker 2: Well. I know, there's been a long history of the Jaguars, right,
32:53
Speaker 2: a lot of different decision makers over the years. But
32:55
Speaker 2: the Jaguars have had in the past ten franchise tags used.
33:01
Speaker 2: Six of those instances have been a tag and then
33:05
Speaker 2: sign a long term deal before the next season starts.
33:09
Speaker 2: A couple of those two other ones. Three other ones
33:11
Speaker 2: played under the tag number that year, including Donovan Darius
33:14
Speaker 2: twice before he signed a long term deal, and then
33:17
Speaker 2: yeni Kin get Away was tagged and then traded. That
33:20
Speaker 2: was not gonna happen anyway. So now a lot of
33:22
Speaker 2: different decision makers over that time. You never know, every
33:24
Speaker 2: instance is different. But uh, in theory, and what's so
33:28
Speaker 2: bad about the franchise thing anyway, it's it's twenty something
33:31
Speaker 2: million dollars if it's one.
33:32
Speaker 3: Year, yeah, it's bad year. It's fine, I mean, it's
33:36
Speaker 3: it's it would be good money for you.
33:39
Speaker 2: And sneeze at it in Washington a couple of years.
33:41
Speaker 3: No, and he played his way into a lot of
33:43
Speaker 3: money on those tags. Yeah, I think just generally, you
33:49
Speaker 3: sort of know just from Josh has three children, you'd
33:54
Speaker 3: like to know where he's gonna be too. There's an
33:56
Speaker 3: element of that and for a player like Josh, the
33:59
Speaker 3: gearuaranteed money of a long term deal would be greater
34:03
Speaker 3: than the guaranteed money of the tag. Uh So it
34:06
Speaker 3: it sends you a little worry of staying healthy for
34:09
Speaker 3: the next year before you can get to that guaranteed
34:11
Speaker 3: money the next year. So it's it's it's better for
34:14
Speaker 3: the player. They all want the longer term deal, except
34:17
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins, who became a wealthy man on a lot
34:20
Speaker 3: of short terms.
34:20
Speaker 2: Certainly did and then got the full guaranteed thing in Minnesota.
34:24
Speaker 2: I think he's up again rights.
34:27
Speaker 3: Every year of his career. Yeah, and he's uh, yeah,
34:31
Speaker 3: he's playing the system.
34:33
Speaker 2: He's h he might be in the Business Hall of Fame.
34:35
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know he is in. Yes he is.
34:38
Speaker 2: Andrew Brandt has that, So there you have it. Keeping
34:41
Speaker 2: it real, Josh Allen tag deal tag than deal doesn't matter.
34:47
Speaker 2: He's gonna be on the field next yes, so yes and.
34:50
Speaker 3: No it does yield yes, so no, it doesn't matter,
34:54
Speaker 3: so yes and no.
34:56
Speaker 2: Depending on your perspective, matters to Josh, I'm sure it
34:59
Speaker 2: does so hey, you know it probably also matters to
35:02
Speaker 2: Trayvon Walker, right, I mean, if you have that other
35:05
Speaker 2: guy across from you or helping you on the defensive
35:07
Speaker 2: line the other edge, as it were. If unless they
35:11
Speaker 2: start moving walk around a little bit more, then it's
35:15
Speaker 2: better to have that help across from you or beside you,
35:18
Speaker 2: or wherever that happens to line up.
35:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt. Your ideal is that they're both hard
35:22
Speaker 3: to block, so that they can't that they have to
35:27
Speaker 3: choose to double one of them on all plays, and
35:30
Speaker 3: then that leaves the other guy free on play. So
35:33
Speaker 3: that's your ideal. It felt like they Trayvon got doubled
35:36
Speaker 3: a lot all last year and so did Josh, so
35:40
Speaker 3: by the end of the season they did have that
35:42
Speaker 3: feel of both of them being hard to block. When
35:44
Speaker 3: you get twenty seven and a half sacks and a
35:47
Speaker 3: lot of pressures, what they would like is to maintain
35:51
Speaker 3: something close to those numbers and then get some help
35:54
Speaker 3: on the interior. That's that's where that's the next step.
35:57
Speaker 2: That's where it turns into twenty seventeen.
35:59
Speaker 3: Right now, and ferish the guys on the interior. They
36:02
Speaker 3: had to have gotten some pressure or the guys on
36:05
Speaker 3: the edge don't get those numbers. So if the guys
36:08
Speaker 3: on the interior doing nothing then you can step up
36:11
Speaker 3: too easily.
36:12
Speaker 2: But it was just so inconsistent with injury last year there,
36:14
Speaker 2: I mean Hamilton and fully fun of Cassi. I mean
36:18
Speaker 2: those guys were off the field more than they were on.
36:21
Speaker 3: Yeah. I would say run stopping at the end of
36:24
Speaker 3: the season was more of an issue for those guys
36:29
Speaker 3: in the interior than pressure in the passing game.
36:34
Speaker 2: So because they were good early against the run, yeah,
36:36
Speaker 2: and took the ball away and then that that all
36:38
Speaker 2: just went away, all disappeared. There you have it, keeping
36:43
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Speaker 3: he's got what this year eight or not? So he'll
38:06
Speaker 3: probably go into it with two more from COMPS, So
38:12
Speaker 3: will he reconsider it? I'm not sure that he really
38:16
Speaker 3: went in last year wanting that many, so I don't
38:20
Speaker 3: think gms typically want that many draft picks, So I
38:24
Speaker 3: would think if he goes into it with around nine
38:26
Speaker 3: or ten, A lot of that depends on what they
38:29
Speaker 3: think of the following year's draft, what they think of
38:32
Speaker 3: the later rounds, So it's tough. I get the point
38:36
Speaker 3: everybody said, well it's too many draft picks. He you know,
38:39
Speaker 3: they wanted to move up for certain guys. They tried, so.
38:45
Speaker 2: You know.
38:47
Speaker 3: I guess I'm not sure what reconsider means in the question.
38:50
Speaker 3: I think he to answer the question best I can.
38:52
Speaker 3: I think he would like to have nine or ten
38:56
Speaker 3: and then be able to move up and go. He
39:00
Speaker 3: had a guy when he wants it. I think he
39:02
Speaker 3: wanted that last year too. There were instances where they
39:05
Speaker 3: tried to trade, but it's always easy to say after
39:09
Speaker 3: well he should have tried harder trade. Well, you try
39:13
Speaker 3: to trade, but you also don't want to give up
39:17
Speaker 3: so much in the trade that you lose value in it.
39:20
Speaker 3: So just because you can't trade doesn't mean you know
39:24
Speaker 3: you're you're an awful trader. It means that you worked
39:29
Speaker 3: at this trade, couldn't get the value wanted, and decided
39:32
Speaker 3: to stan Pats.
39:33
Speaker 2: So if we know anything about Trent Balke and his
39:36
Speaker 2: drafting history, he's a fantastic trader. I mean, the guy
39:40
Speaker 2: has so many trades on draft Day over the years
39:42
Speaker 2: in San Francisco. In here. It didn't happen last year.
39:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes you want a guy the other team knows
39:50
Speaker 3: you want the guy, and they also want the guy,
39:54
Speaker 3: or they want a player at this spot. Somebody asked
39:58
Speaker 3: me last week about Marvin Harrison g and what would
40:01
Speaker 3: it take to go up and get him from seventeen?
40:04
Speaker 3: That would be too much, I would think. Also, sometimes
40:08
Speaker 3: bends on the player. Like this, this questioner assumed that
40:14
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior be availablet number four in the draft. Well,
40:21
Speaker 3: if that player wasn't perceived as being as good as
40:24
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior, or that team didn't want that player,
40:27
Speaker 3: wouldn't take as much. If the team sitting at four
40:29
Speaker 3: really wants Marvin Harrison Junior, then there's nothing that can
40:32
Speaker 3: make you go so I mean exaggerate. There would be
40:35
Speaker 3: something if you gave him, like your new car.
40:36
Speaker 2: But I mean think about last year, right the Texans
40:38
Speaker 2: moved up to get will Anderson right after they had
40:41
Speaker 2: picked number one. They got to number three, and they
40:44
Speaker 2: had the picks to do it. They had all these
40:46
Speaker 2: first round picture Dean Watsons.
40:48
Speaker 3: If the team sitting there had been dead sold on
40:51
Speaker 3: will Anderson, it wouldn't have mattered with the Texans game.
40:54
Speaker 3: There's a price. So yeah, I hope I answered the question.
40:59
Speaker 3: Is tricky in terms of knowing. I don't think Trent
41:03
Speaker 3: wants to go into a thirteen. I don't think they
41:05
Speaker 3: wanted it. Last year, but it sort of became a dealer.
41:08
Speaker 3: They couldn't get out of it.
41:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, and with that many players, there's only so many
41:12
Speaker 2: that can truly contribute in one season. I mean in theory, right,
41:16
Speaker 2: I mean they had Harrison was obviously on the field
41:19
Speaker 2: all year, Strange was on the field most of the season.
41:22
Speaker 2: Bigsby we know about him. Ben trel Miller had the
41:24
Speaker 2: foot issue all year, Lacey played some, Abdullah was inactive
41:28
Speaker 2: a lot of the time. Antonio Johnson late in the
41:30
Speaker 2: year after he came back from his injury. Parker Washington
41:33
Speaker 2: contributed and then he get down around six and seven.
41:36
Speaker 2: It's Braswell and Hallett and the secondary Cooper Hodges had
41:39
Speaker 2: the knee issue. Vhasig didn't make the team. Derek Parrish
41:43
Speaker 2: didn't make the team, the seventh round guy. So that
41:45
Speaker 2: kind of happened sometimes, especially with that many picks. Well,
41:47
Speaker 2: sometimes there's only so many spots on the team.
41:51
Speaker 3: Sorry about that.
41:51
Speaker 2: Who's calling you? Yeah, they don't know you're on the air.
41:54
Speaker 3: John with six and seventh round picks, he say, well,
41:59
Speaker 3: why didn't they trade those for higher picks? Yeah, Well
42:02
Speaker 3: if the other team doesn't want to either, Yeah, So
42:06
Speaker 3: that's kind of tough too, so it can be tricky undrafted.
42:09
Speaker 2: Next question at ratis Underscore Johansson. Of the teams that
42:14
Speaker 2: missed the playoffs last season, what are the Jags rank
42:16
Speaker 2: in terms of likelihood of elevating themselves back into the playoffs?
42:21
Speaker 2: I think they're right on the border right.
42:23
Speaker 3: I haven't really looked at all the teams that missed it,
42:25
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, but look, they were nine
42:28
Speaker 3: to eight and missed it by I think they were
42:33
Speaker 3: the last team out.
42:35
Speaker 2: They were a game away from going.
42:36
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to be worse.
42:40
Speaker 2: Let's go through the teams that missed. Yeah, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, Indianapolis,
42:46
Speaker 2: Las Vegas, Denver, Jets, Titans, Chargers, Patriots.
42:52
Speaker 3: I would put them second to Cincinnati right in terms
42:55
Speaker 3: of if I was trying to be neutral, I think
43:00
Speaker 3: the Bengals go make the playoffs next year. I think
43:02
Speaker 3: they were a really, really good chance the quarterback. It
43:04
Speaker 3: would surprise me more if the Bengals weren't in the
43:08
Speaker 3: playoffs and if the Jaguars weren't in the playoffs. But
43:10
Speaker 3: I think the Jaguars, I think there's a very good
43:14
Speaker 3: chance to go back to the playoffs. I think they're
43:16
Speaker 3: nine to eight team, and last year with I think
43:20
Speaker 3: they would have been in the playoffs had Trevor and
43:23
Speaker 3: Christian not gotten hurt.
43:24
Speaker 2: So I don.
43:26
Speaker 3: Anticipate them being worse than that, But no team really
43:31
Speaker 3: anticipates being worse. You always think you're getting.
43:33
Speaker 2: Better, That's right, And all of a sudden, Houston made
43:36
Speaker 2: the surge in year one with that whole crew. Yeah,
43:39
Speaker 2: and that feels like they could build some momentum as well.
43:42
Speaker 3: So they could, which is exactly what everybody was saying
43:44
Speaker 3: about the Jags on this show, like very true to
43:47
Speaker 3: go the other way. Yeah, so we'll see.
43:49
Speaker 2: We'll say, you just don't know. Next question at jagspan
43:52
Speaker 2: five eight five eight, does it make sense to let
43:54
Speaker 2: Calvin Redley walk and then try re signing him so
43:57
Speaker 2: we can keep the second round pick. I would think
44:00
Speaker 2: we need that second round pick to draft other needs.
44:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense unless he resigned he signed somewhere else.
44:12
Speaker 2: Do you have some kind of wink deal in place
44:14
Speaker 2: or something weird like that.
44:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that may be, and if they do good
44:20
Speaker 3: for them, I would you know, I'm a burdenhand guy,
44:26
Speaker 3: so yes, it's something they conceived. We try. I don't
44:31
Speaker 3: know how much sense it makes you be you would
44:35
Speaker 3: love to have your cake and eat it too, which
44:36
Speaker 3: that is so, yes, it makes sense. They would also
44:41
Speaker 3: be the risk of him signing somewhere else.
44:43
Speaker 2: That's why he goes and offers him a boat load
44:44
Speaker 2: of money. And yeah, all of a sudden he's signing
44:47
Speaker 2: the paper of the day after a free agency.
44:48
Speaker 3: Right, which is why you hope there's there's very little
44:52
Speaker 3: tampering before the real tampering windows true.
44:57
Speaker 2: Next question, our last question of the day at Carnival,
44:59
Speaker 2: Thomas has social media helped or hurt professional sports on
45:03
Speaker 2: the whole? Just looking for commentary from two vets of
45:06
Speaker 2: the industry. This is this is such a deep question
45:10
Speaker 2: I had to take it today. I think it's it's yes,
45:14
Speaker 2: the answer. Yeah, it's depending on your perspective.
45:16
Speaker 3: I think for young people, I think it's made it
45:22
Speaker 3: more interactive at times and more fun. Uh. For old
45:29
Speaker 3: coats like me, I, I you know, I don't know
45:38
Speaker 3: that it's helped the quality on the face, I'm I
45:46
Speaker 3: guess I'm thinking more about the quality of games. Hadn't
45:49
Speaker 3: really affected that very much, but in terms of following
45:54
Speaker 3: it it's certainly. Uh. I can remember when I was
45:58
Speaker 3: in college following the the Washington football team, there were
46:05
Speaker 3: times you felt very distant from it. The only times
46:07
Speaker 3: I ever really learned about that team where when I
46:10
Speaker 3: was watching them on TV. Because the Internet, I would
46:15
Speaker 3: put up with that as much as social media. You know,
46:18
Speaker 3: the Washington Post. I got it like three or four
46:20
Speaker 3: days late in the Florida library, So I was hungry
46:24
Speaker 3: for all information on the team. But I didn't know
46:28
Speaker 3: every backup guard the way fans who really follow us
46:32
Speaker 3: and the team do now. I didn't know. I didn't
46:36
Speaker 3: read a press conference wrap up after every practice. There
46:40
Speaker 3: was no Twitter, so it wasn't in real time, so
46:45
Speaker 3: that it's different, And.
46:48
Speaker 2: I would say, I mean it's better because there's more
46:52
Speaker 2: quantity of coverage now, but the quality is diluted a
46:55
Speaker 2: little bit. Sure, you have to be very careful about
46:59
Speaker 2: why you're reading a certain tweet or article from a
47:02
Speaker 2: tweet or whatever it is, to make sure it's truly
47:04
Speaker 2: news or does it matter you know.
47:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's made it's harder for you don't
47:09
Speaker 3: have to.
47:09
Speaker 2: Be as qualified now to you know, or have a
47:12
Speaker 2: lengthy journalistic career to have that kind of thing.
47:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and I guess the end of the coverage.
47:18
Speaker 3: Is the coverage better now than it was then? I
47:23
Speaker 3: would say no, because newspapers are dying out so much
47:28
Speaker 3: that I'm not sure it's as good. But that's not
47:30
Speaker 3: necessarily Social media as fall as much as the Internet.
47:32
Speaker 3: So it's it's uh.
47:33
Speaker 2: To your point. Has it changed the game?
47:35
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think changed the game.
47:37
Speaker 2: Has it changed players mentality about how they put stuff out?
47:40
Speaker 3: Sure, I think it's ratcheted up the pressure and the
47:43
Speaker 3: immediacy and what's reacted to. I think it's made the
47:49
Speaker 3: It's made the coaches press conference and media access points
47:56
Speaker 3: more high volatile, that's not the right word I'm looking for,
48:00
Speaker 3: but it's made that more of a pressure cooker type
48:02
Speaker 3: thing where you've really got to watch what you say
48:04
Speaker 3: and it's all immediate, and Doug might say something on
48:08
Speaker 3: the podium and people just react to it and it's
48:10
Speaker 3: he's an idiot, he's you know, Whereas before a coach
48:15
Speaker 3: might say something and it would be in a story
48:18
Speaker 3: and on TV and it would be a little more
48:20
Speaker 3: nuanced maybe and a little more not the reaction to
48:24
Speaker 3: it that there is now so it's made it harder
48:29
Speaker 3: for them. I think on that front, change that dynamic.
48:32
Speaker 3: Is it better or worse? Uh? You know the old
48:35
Speaker 3: man shouting the clouds in me said, it's probably worse,
48:37
Speaker 3: but it's probably not. It's probably just different. I mean,
48:40
Speaker 3: so I think I do think this in terms of
48:45
Speaker 3: watching your team, the immediacy now is it is so
48:50
Speaker 3: much different.
48:51
Speaker 2: I mean it was.
48:54
Speaker 3: For a fan. This is better, without question. And I
48:58
Speaker 3: can share this story in the Washington football team in
49:02
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy six, which is way back JP. But in
49:06
Speaker 3: a while, I'm in the sixth grade. They're all that
49:09
Speaker 3: matters to me, right, I mean, this is my team.
49:13
Speaker 3: They lost it or they won a game. I didn't
49:16
Speaker 3: know they had won till the next morning it was
49:18
Speaker 3: one o'clock.
49:19
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
49:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it wasn't on. It just wasn't on, and
49:23
Speaker 3: no sports center. There was no sports center. So that's different.
49:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
49:26
Speaker 3: It's not as good. There you have it.
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49:38
Speaker 2: We have many more in the Hopper, Daniel Jeremiah will
49:41
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49:44
Speaker 2: Jordan Reed of ESPN, Field Gates. They're all on the docket,
49:48
Speaker 2: plus many more. All our shows Jags AM will move
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Speaker 2: to Wednesday next week. We'll have Jags Happy Hour Thursday
49:55
Speaker 2: at four o'clock from Radio Row. Thanks to our entire crew. John,
49:58
Speaker 2: thanks for coming in today.
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Speaker 3: Fantastic John.
50:01
Speaker 2: I haven't seen you enough this week.
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Speaker 3: That's all yesterday, That's.
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