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Week 18 Buy Low & Sell High Trade Targets + Rantanen a bust? | Fantasy Hockey Podcast · Banger Management - Fantasy Hockey Podcast

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  start paying us. OK, so today we're going to be
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  doing our week 18 Buy low, sell high trade targets episode.
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  So we got a good one for you today.
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  And as always, you could find the link to our social media,
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  which is in the link tree in the podcast subscription.
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  So Josh, start us off with your buy low.
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  Alright, my buy low for this week is Mikko Rantanen, who I
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  actually did not think would ever be a Bilo because he's been
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  so good for so long. But Randon was part of the one
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  of the craziest trades 2 weeks ago when he got sent to Carolina
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  from Colorado. Since then, as a lot of people
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  expected, his play took a dip because he's no longer playing
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  with one of the best players in the world, Nate Dogg and.
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  I like that he was also the guy we all wanted to marry.
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  If you listened to our last mailbag episode, yeah.
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  Listen. And he's on a team coached by
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  Rod, who is known for making questionable lineup decisions
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  such as? Actually, Josh didn't want to
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  because they wouldn't let him eat ice.
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  Cream. Yeah, that's true.
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  Sorry. Sorry, sorry about the Raptor.
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  Then yeah, so anyway, so the trade obviously took a dip.
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  He's not playing with Nate Dogg anymore.
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  He's on a team coached by Rod, who's known for making
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  questionable lineup decisions. For example, Spatchcock is not
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  on power. Play one right now.
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  Instead, it is Jackson Blake, known elite player Jackson
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  Blake. Anyways, over the past month,
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  Rantanen is only at .64 points per game and .07 power play
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  points. Compare that to a season average
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  of 1.22 points per game and .35 power play points and you can
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  see he's massively underperforming lately.
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  Obviously, there's a clear reason that could explain this
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  big dip, which is the trade, so it's possible ranting owners are
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  panicking and think this is just the player he is now on the
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  Canes. But Rantanen is a top five
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  player in this league and his production shouldn't be
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  dependent on playing with McKinnon.
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  I don't expect him to be as good as he was on the Avs, but I
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  still expect him to be one of the best see assets out there.
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  Rest this season, especially since it takes some time to gel
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  with a new team and develop some chemistry.
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  Now it's probably the only time in the past few years where you
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  have the opportunity to buy low on Rantanen, so I'd be jumping
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  on this chance. I will say also the fact that
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  the Four Nations break is coming up should give them more time to
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  practice together and build that chemistry.
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  So I wouldn't be surprised to see him come out of the break
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  already, like kind of a change. Would do well on the Four
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  Nations so that for showing up his stock you want to buy low
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  kind of before he goes. Off, yeah.
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  And so someone for one targets. I'm curious to see what you guys
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  think of these, but I've got Jason Robertson, Clayton Keller
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  and Tage Thompson, barring injury.
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  Yeah. So of course, the fact that he's
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  playing with Ohio in the Four Nations is tremendously
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  valuable. So that's awesome.
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  The reason I'm lower on Rantin than both of you is mainly
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  because, Josh, you've convinced me that the coaching effect is
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  real. And it is.
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  It absolutely is. It's I've spoken about.
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  This. But what's going to do?
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  He's still going to line 1. Still people.
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  Last five years, only three times as a player on the sorry
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  on Carolina scored more than a point per game.
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  It's been of the three times. It's nobody else.
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  And it's not like he was putting 100 plus.
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  Points, but don't have anybody better than Aho on that team.
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  Now they do. I know, but I still don't buy
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  it. I still don't think he's gonna
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  finish like tremendously high. Yes, your targets are great.
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  I would trade them for Rantanen, that's for sure.
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  I just don't think we're dealing with like first round pedigree
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  rant and at this point to the rest of the season.
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  I mean, I agree with that. I don't think he's necessarily
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  going to be a first round pick easily.
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  Second round though, I think he's definitely a second round.
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  Like would you rather have Rantanen or Mitch Marner?
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  Marner, but it goes right between.
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  You guys? Yeah.
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  What about Kyle Connor? Ranting, ranting in OK.
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  See, that's also I'm I'm on the Ranton inside.
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  Ranting or Jack Hughes? Hughes Why would you rather use
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  over Marner purse out of. Here, Yeah, that's true.
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  Honestly, the the Mariner 1 was closer than I, than I, than I
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  thought. I immediately said Ranton.
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  I think that's the line cause mark goes like late second round
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  in. Your Yeah, I think Marner and
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  Hughes are both are both close, but the way he's playing right
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  now, he's playing like someone way worse than them when he
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  should be on par with them, at least in my.
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  Opinion about. Non face off league.
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  Non face off league. That's tough because I think
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  Ickles been severely underrated. Makes sense he was on Buffalo
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  for so long and they like ruined his value, but that's a really
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  tough one. I'm taking Michael like for
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  sure. I think, I think I might have to
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  go Michael, but that's a close one.
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  But I think, I think Michael is in that same group of like, you
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  know, yeah, high second round. Pick, but do you think the
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  targets are you put are achievable in the one for one
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  trade? I think.
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  Robertson you could definitely do you think, I think if people
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  are very reactive or like more recency bias, Robertson has been
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  unreal. Lately he has I just don't know
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  like I don't have any of my league so I'm trying to picture
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  me as a renter owner. Like am I selling for?
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  If you have. That he's still that top elite
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  guy. Right.
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  Of the three, I said. I think Keller is the least
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  weekly for she's been really good lately though.
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  That's why I added him to the list.
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  But like, I think that's the least likely.
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  I think Robertson and Thompson who have you guys like very
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  similar level of players. I think they could both get it
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  done with how well they've been playing lately.
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  Thompson is so interesting because I feel like if you're
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  trying to buy him, it's impossible.
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  If you're trying to sell him and trade up, it's impossible.
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  Like people, people don't want to take like put stock into him
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  when you're trying to like, level up, but then you're trying
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  to buy him, they're like, oh, he's like, so sick.
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  So I don't understand. Yeah.
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  What about Crosby? Cross Crosby ignoring injuries
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  and if it's a non face off one league, I'm taking.
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  That's kind of where I'm at too. Like I think a lot of guys over
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  Crosby. Though, Yeah, but that's like
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  the devil. Ovechkin, Jake is gonna be like
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  I want Ovechkin. Over, I'll take granted in for.
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  Sure. Yeah, random for sure.
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  Yeah, we'll talk about that one anyway.
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  No, I, I'm. Not I think I.
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  Think there is a window right now to buy him as a second round
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  pick like player and he's playing as the 4th 5th round
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  pick right now so you can definitely tear up.
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  I do think of the ones I said, I think Robertson, really, I
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  really think that could get it done.
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  Reinhart. Take Brandon Reinhart isn't
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  playing that greatly. Reinhart But yeah, I think
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  that's close for me. Yeah, that's a good bar.
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  That's between Crosby and Reinhart, somewhere in that
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  range. But he's equivalent to Marner.
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  I think it's equivalent to Warner.
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  That's what I think. Honestly even pre trade I feel
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  like him and Marner weren't that far apart you know what I mean?
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  Like like pre like pre like at the draft right?
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  Rantanen gets taken like 7th overall, Marner gets taken like
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  12th overall. Yeah, some more in in something
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  like drafts. Like I got, I got money like
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  that. I got mourner like pick like 20.
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  No, you didn't, did I? Yes, you got him in the second
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  round. Oh yeah, but you.
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  But you were third overall in a 12 team league.
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  So yeah, something 20 something. OK, so and Rantanen went like 7
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  or 8, so yeah, but it's not like they're that far apart, you
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  know? So now his value dips a little.
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  So that brings some of it closer.
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  But I think if you can get one of these, like if you can trade
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  one of these like overperforming right now, like fourth round
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  pick type of guys for him, I think it's a huge.
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  One basically the bear case is raw, the bull case is playing
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  with AHO and like kind of a different.
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  There's no way that they trade for rent and then they also want
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  to convince him to stay there. Not gonna bump him on line 3 and
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  be like ohhhhh that's. I just mean that like during
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  the. Four days he's gonna be playing
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  with all his whole time. There, yeah, but he's playing
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  with Aho under Rod system where players don't thrive.
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  Offensively, I will say, like Carolina doesn't have the best
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  playoff schedule. Yeah, they only have three games
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  in. Each neutral walls.
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  It's a neutral one. He's gonna.
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  If they did, I would be targeting him way.
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  Harder he's gonna play in the Four Nations with who and the
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  coach there is not like they're not really being coached in this
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  tournament they're just like going out and doing their best
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  yeah so if they like formulate some sort of chemistry there
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  where they're like not really bound by anything then I think
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  that could be advantageous otherwise like yeah look he's a
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  good player he's gonna do well and these targets are great and
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  hopefully like that could get it done but at the end of the day
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  I'm just not as high on him rest of season it's still definitely
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  level up though for the target to put so yeah we'll see what
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  happens I. Even you who is low on him don't
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  think that he's a point 6.4. Game No, no, no, that's what
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  he's been performing more more in like the one to 1.1 yeah
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  supposed to the 1.2 plus I fully agree.
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  That's kind of where it is, yeah.
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  That's, I mean severely. Under, that's like around there.
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  Yeah, exactly. No, that's fair.
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  OK, Kevin, go for yours. Alright, mine is.
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  I feel like it's been awhile since I've chose somebody on my
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  own fantasy team, but it is defenseman Victor Hedman of the
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  Tampa Bay Lightning. So over the last two weeks, he's
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  been only at zero point three points per game.
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  But we saw him get very hot before these last two weeks.
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  And I think Hedman is still a stud and on a top three power
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  play in the league and come to fantasy playoffs.
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  I can see Tampa really going off and contributing on that power
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  play. I think one of the reasons for
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  his dip in production was Tampa was has overall a lot of
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  injuries. And we just saw like a couple
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  nights ago as well. Like, you know, they lost even
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  more forwards and defensemen, but their decor has been pretty
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  banged up. And they were also playing
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  around the power play units like couch was on both units.
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  Like we see Oviedo in Washington, but we saw Darren
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  Radish that some people one time.
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  So that definitely hinders. He was still producing on the
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  power play, but not obviously at the level of optimal Tampa Bay
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  Lightning power play. But as we speak, they're
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  practicing with their usual power play 1.
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  So that's great to see. So that just means that we can
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  expect the headman production to go back up.
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  I believe he's probably production was at 0.17 and we
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  can expect that to bounce back to 0.350 point, 4 points per
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  game, which is usual. His peripherals have also been
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  consistent, like he's averaging over two shots a game, also two
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  blocks the game. He's never been really a hitter.
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  So that's pretty normal. But Tampa doesn't have an elite
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  playoff schedule. But Hedman is still a fringe top
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  five fantasy defenseman and I think he's very attainable right
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  now for the right price. We can see a lot of these
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  middling kind of defensemen or you know, top ten guys that have
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  been overperforming right now like Adam Fox, Jake Sanderson,
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  who's been really on fire lately.
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  Dougie Hamilton has been on fire.
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  He only has two games in the fantasy championship.
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  Ekblad. We know that how inconsistent
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  Florida power play can be and that that defence been there.
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  Josh Morrissey, I think also the Winnipeg power player hasn't
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  been as great as it used to be. I think all those guys are a
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  little bit hotter than human right now and you can try to
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  flip that. No, I like it a lot.
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  And I think that these targets are really good.
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  I can't really say. I mean, I don't think Ekblad
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  gets it done per. SE No, you probably have to add
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  in a little bit, but he's been pretty hot like that.
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  Florida power play has been better as of Yeah.
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  And I think, yeah, no, I like it.
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  And I think it could all work, all of these, really so.
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  And it's a level up pretty much all I can say about.
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  That yeah, I I fully agree with this as well.
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  I think the shuffling around the power play units was really
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  annoying for Hedman owners and definitely hurt his value.
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  But the fact they're going back to what they should have had the
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  whole time, it didn't make any sense having Darren Raddysh,
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  Victor Hedman on power play one. But the fact that they're going
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  back to that is going to immediately, you're gonna be an
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  immediate return on that. You're playing with Contrave on
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  the power play and like Point and Denzel like this is this is
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  a no brainer. So I think he definitely will
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  bounce back and I would take Hedman over all your targets.
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  So I think, and I think a lot of them could get it done.
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  I think I like Hedman where I draw the line.
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  I think Hedman and Bouchard I think are pretty close to be
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  honest. I think for.
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  Sure, but the Bush is gonna get more shots.
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  But I think, I think Hedman, I bank on the Tampa power play
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  more than other power play right now.
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  It's. Strongly disagree, but.
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  You strongly disagree. Yeah, I think, I don't think
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  it's gonna be a big difference, but I think I think I'm pretty
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  confident in the Oilers power play over the Tampa power play
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  and I think. That's where I draw the line.
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  The difference in shots I think is what really makes it an easy
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  blue Shard for me, but I think that's what I liked about the.
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  Target, but they could be one One behind each other in the
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  rankings though. That's what I'm.
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  Saying I think they could be very close.
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  I think I would definitely take Bouchard overhead, man.
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  But I don't think it's like crazy to have them like in the
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  same tier. That's why I like your targets
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  because they are, they're all like guys who are like big name
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  value, but like I would take admin over.
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  Them and Fox and Hamilton, who I mentioned, also have bad playoff
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  schedules, and that's the time to kind of flip down and get a
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  little bump there. Yeah, this is a good one.
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  And like, I mean, I guess I could kind of add Lane Hudson
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  into that. Some kind of really cooled off a
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  little bit. I think it's really hard to
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  level up there. But if you could pull that off,
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  obviously it would be great. Yeah, absolutely.
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  Yeah, No, Hedman's delete. He's in the lead player.
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  So I really think this is good and it's a good time as well.
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  But yeah, it has to be timed well because the buy low windows
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  probably pretty small. OK, so my buy low for this week.
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  As you can tell they're laughing, which is always a good
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  sign, is Alexander Ovechkin. What?
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  A man is 17 goals away from beating the NHL record so. 17
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  from tying it or from. Beating it.
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  That's why it was. How many empty knuckles is he
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  gonna get between? Now 17.
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  It was 17 goals away from tying it as I was writing this.
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  Post and then he got that buzzer beater empty.
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  Yeah, yeah. So just just wait.
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  Yeah. So basically it's a super
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  exciting time to be alive and even more exciting if you own
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  him on your fantasy team. Insert cool sunglasses emoji
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  here. The reason why I think this is a
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  buy low even though the name value is obviously tough for any
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  manager to sell, is because he's had 0.62 points per game over
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  the past month since returning from injury, which is a
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  considerable outlier compared to how he was doing before the
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  injury this season. He started performing super well
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  again over the past week and as mentioned, I think he's super
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  hard to buy. But I do think that you can sell
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  the OV owner someone with like maybe more name value and still
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  be happy getting Ovi back from now until the rest of the
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  season. This to me is based on 2 broad
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  concepts. So firstly, the Capitals have a
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  pretty nice playoff schedule and like, it's averaged 333 and over
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  3430, OK, And OV is the best player on a good team.
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  Two, this is more importantly the fact that not only do the
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  Capitals, like are they determined to have him break the
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  record this season, but I actually think that they're
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  gonna go above and beyond to have him break it in less games
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  than Gretzky. So this means that essentially
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  every empty net goal, every power play opportunity, every
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  goal scoring opportunity, that they can feed him the puck.
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  They're going to send it his way.
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  In fact, like as mentioned, they scored.
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  You just scored an empty net goal as I was writing this.
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  So yeah, this means that they're determined to make him score 17
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  goals in 24 games, which seems insane, but I think that if
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  anyone can do it, it's the GOAT. And yeah, as mentioned, these
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  names may seem like a little bit of an overpay.
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  I think Kevin thinks they are, and we'll see what Josh has to
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  say about that. But I think I'd rather have OV
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  over the following names. So Panarin, Rantanen, Marner,
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  Nylander, I would rather take over you.
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  Alright, I I agree with everything you said until the
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  last sentence. The targets.
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  I I agree with the entire thought process behind it.
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  I think he's a great buy low. He's been underperforming.
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  I agree that they're going to force him every single goal
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  opportunity and I wouldn't be surprised to see him break the
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  record in under time. So I think he's a great buy low.
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  I do think that the the targets, I prefer having any of these
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  targets over Ovechkin ignoring playoff schedule.
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  But I'm not though with playoff schedule.
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  The thing is that it's not like has that great of a playoff
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  schedule like that. He has one more game than
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  Rantanen in the finals and then he has one fewer game than the
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  Leafs in the quarter in semis, but then two more games in the
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  finals. So it kind of like balances out
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  to similar amount of games played.
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  And then Panera has a terrible playoff schedule.
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  So I'll give you that one, but it's not like that much better
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  that it makes it like such a huge.
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  Difference, yeah. I just want to say one thing
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  though, right? So that's 17 over the next 24
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  over the next 24 games. That's before the playoffs are
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  finished. So that means that throughout
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  the duration of like the playoffs, it's also going to be
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  like they're going to want to put them up to 900 plus, you
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  know what I mean? So it's milestone after
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  milestone. And he doing anything other than
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  scoring goals, like he's gonna get shots and hits, but he's
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  gonna get any assists. His hits have honestly been like
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  less than you would expect. He's hitting around the one per
• 16:36
  game as opposed to in previous years it was over 2.
• 16:39
  The thing is, he's already getting fed all these
• 16:42
  opportunities. It's not like it's like now he's
• 16:44
  a 17 away, he's going to kick in and now they have to really put
• 16:49
  the emphasis on that. They've been feeding him the
• 16:51
  whole season because he's so close already.
• 16:52
  So I don't really see like I think he's on page.
• 16:54
  I think he's gonna break it. But I think those guys are
• 16:57
  giving are over all-encompassing better fantasy assets and you
• 17:01
  don't have to give that level of player.
• 17:03
  I think to get OV like people love Ovie.
• 17:06
  Obviously, you know, the classic power forward in fantasy and I
• 17:09
  agree with everything you said as him as a buy low.
• 17:11
  It was just. I think you can probably feel
• 17:12
  like you can use. The same targets that I used in
• 17:14
  my ranting and buy low like you can use Robertson, Thompson or
• 17:17
  Keller. I think like those are all good
• 17:19
  targets for. I was thinking that and I just,
• 17:22
  I don't know, I don't think it gets done.
• 17:24
  Because if they offered, if someone offered you Robertson
• 17:26
  for Ovi right now, barring your emotional connection to watching
• 17:29
  the record, you would take that in a heartbeat.
• 17:31
  Like if you go. Look at Robinson could get more
• 17:33
  points than Ovi straight. Up yeah, he will get more
• 17:35
  points, I think points, but he's gonna do better like back cats
• 17:38
  and. If you're in a category leagues,
• 17:39
  the goals aren't way more valuable than the assists or
• 17:42
  points in general. If you're putting a lot of goals
• 17:46
  are worth more, but in a lot of leagues it's the same thing
• 17:48
  whether to go learn assist. So I think, I think the targets
• 17:51
  are too high. I think you can get them for
• 17:53
  less. I think if you want to get use
• 17:55
  these targets, you can get OVA plus, which is not a bad trait.
• 17:58
  I think that's solid. I think in a one for one these
• 18:00
  aren't overpay. Yeah, it it may be an overpay,
• 18:05
  but I still think I'd rather have.
• 18:07
  I have both Marner and Ovi and. And you rather have Ovi.
• 18:11
  There's no way. Like doubling him in points.
• 18:14
  Yeah, especially over the past month, which is why what I'm
• 18:16
  saying. But why would you give guys
• 18:19
  getting double his points? Because before the injury, he
• 18:22
  was at like 1.2 to I think points per game Ovechkin.
• 18:27
  And then he's severely slowed down.
• 18:29
  And then like I think that that pace can continue.
• 18:32
  Like this is, this is the year that he's gonna just destroy
• 18:36
  fantasy for. The rest I don't think you need
• 18:37
  to pay this much. Yeah, yeah, I think.
• 18:39
  You could get him for a decent amount less than these guys.
• 18:42
  So like even if you think you prefer over to these guys, which
• 18:46
  I don't think Kevin and I agree with, but I think it could be
• 18:49
  close. I don't think you have to do
• 18:51
  this. I think you could get him for a
• 18:52
  lower tier player. Yeah, Anyway, look, I mean like,
• 18:55
  I guess like you obviously want to aim lower, but I.
• 18:58
  I think if push comes to shove, you're willing to use these
• 19:00
  guys. Especially Nielander.
• 19:01
  And like, I mean, Panera is interesting because funerals,
• 19:05
  yeah. Yeah, because Panera doesn't
• 19:07
  have the category coverage and he has a really bad playoff
• 19:10
  schedule. Yeah, I'd consider.
• 19:13
  It the only reason that I'm wary of Panarin, not enough to make
• 19:16
  me not agree with it. I do think out of the four, he's
• 19:18
  the one I'd be most willing to give, but the fact after the
• 19:20
  Miller trade, I think he's really, yeah, turn things on and
• 19:22
  has already started being a lot better.
• 19:24
  There's that. But I agree he doesn't have the
• 19:26
  cat coverage and he has a terrible playoff schedule.
• 19:28
  So I'll give you Panarin Ranton and I just mentioned on much
• 19:30
  higher than him on you are. So makes sense why we disagree
• 19:32
  on that one. And then Marner and Nylander.
• 19:34
  Marner for sure. I wouldn't.
• 19:36
  I think Marner's an elite, elite guy.
• 19:37
  I think he could honestly be a late first round pick.
• 19:40
  Should have been late first round.
• 19:41
  Pick and Neil Andrew I'm not as high on as Mariner, but I still
• 19:44
  think he's very good. Yeah, I guess I was just being
• 19:47
  diplomatic by putting one of my guys in there March.
• 19:50
  I was just like saying that I think that me always even more
• 19:53
  valuable, but Marner is the one I'm highest on of these, but the
• 19:56
  others, I have no problem doing it.
• 19:58
  Martin would be a bit tough, but yeah, yeah.
• 20:00
  Anyway, it's fun. I'm glad you guys at least agree
• 20:02
  with the reasoning. So that's good.
• 20:04
  But yeah, cool. So let's move on to your cell.
• 20:06
  Hi, Josh. Alright, my cell.
• 20:07
  Hi, Sorry Jake, because this is a guy.
• 20:09
  On your actually, sorry Kevin, let's just skip over Josh.
• 20:13
  My cell high is Zach Werenski, no Hagas Werenski.
• 20:18
  He's unreal and he's having an incredible season and he's
• 20:21
  showing he deserves to be in the Norris conversation and I think
• 20:24
  he's gonna be a top tier fantasy asset for years to come.
• 20:26
  That's this team is coming. He could win the Norris He and
• 20:29
  really like, I don't think this is a one off year for him.
• 20:31
  I think the only thing that's kind of insulting him back for
• 20:34
  years has been one, injury troubles and two, he just hasn't
• 20:37
  had the best supporting cast. But I think with the emergence
• 20:39
  of Marchenko and kind of just the whole team full of young
• 20:41
  guys kind of coming into their own and him staying relatively
• 20:44
  healthy this year, I think like he's where he should be.
• 20:46
  So this is no knock against Lansky, but on that same kind of
• 20:51
  topic, in the past month he's actually doing slightly lower
• 20:53
  than his overall season average he's at, which is 1.08 points
• 20:57
  per game and .36 power play points, 3.8 shots and 1.7
• 21:00
  blocks. So normally I wouldn't recommend
• 21:02
  a guy as a sell high when he's doing lower than his season
• 21:05
  average because clearly that's a sell low, which we don't do
• 21:08
  anymore. The more the larger team.
• 21:11
  That's why exactly. So normally this would be a
• 21:14
  strange time to suggest sell hot, selling high, but I think
• 21:16
  that although we're is really good and having an amazing year,
• 21:19
  a part of that has to be attributed to the incredible
• 21:21
  breakout season that Kirill Marchenko has been having for
• 21:23
  Columbus. And with the recent news that
• 21:25
  Marchenko will be out six to eight weeks, which is
• 21:27
  essentially the rest of the fantasy season, I think
• 21:29
  Warenski's point in power play totals will take a dip and now
• 21:31
  is the perfect time to sell them before that becomes noticeable.
• 21:33
  So again, this is not a knock on Renski at all, but I think you
• 21:37
  look at any player who plays with another amazing player.
• 21:39
  If that other amazing player goes out, like look at Capri of
• 21:41
  injury, I think that immediately makes everyone else on that team
• 21:43
  worse, you know? Yeah, you have to take that into
• 21:45
  account. And the target I'm putting here
• 21:47
  are really top tier guys, you know, So I'm looking at, you
• 21:49
  know, Roman Yosi, Hughes is probably a stretch, but you
• 21:52
  could do Arensky plus for Hughes, Dalene, Bouchard.
• 21:55
  I think you can get like other than Hughes, I think you could
• 21:58
  probably get some like maybe any of these guys, one for one for
• 22:01
  Arensky. And I think you should because I
• 22:04
  think like the Marchenko injury I think is a really big hit.
• 22:07
  I guess it really depends on, you know, I'm looking forward to
• 22:11
  hearing your opinions on that, how much you think that will.
• 22:12
  Affect your cider. Oh.
• 22:16
  That's tough because they're very different kind of player.
• 22:20
  I still think, I still think we're Anski.
• 22:22
  But that's close. Yeah, I agree with you with the
• 22:25
  Hughes concept of it being kind of out of out of potential, but
• 22:31
  what I would rather the guys you mentioned.
• 22:33
  So I have Dalena and Werenski and I think I'd rather Werenski
• 22:37
  personally, but I see why now. Bouchard's interesting because I
• 22:41
  really think his offence has taken a turn positively.
• 22:43
  So it's tough because Darlene, I almost put it in the different
• 22:47
  archetype conversation. Almost, almost.
• 22:49
  You know what? I.
• 22:50
  Mean, of the four I listed, plus Werenski, Dalian is the one
• 22:54
  who's like a different archetype.
• 22:55
  Yeah, Bouchard, Hughes, the OC, Werenski are all the same.
• 22:57
  Yeah, you know, points shots. Blocks.
• 22:59
  That's funny cause you have Yoshi and Bouchard.
• 23:01
  Yeah, both OK. I think rest of season I'm
• 23:05
  actually higher on Bouchard. I'm just like really impressed
• 23:07
  with the fact that it's a good sign when a player.
• 23:09
  Makes you feel a trade, Bruin. Why wouldn't do this?
• 23:12
  I said. This is my.
• 23:14
  That would be one for one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:17
  Oh God, here we. Have yet to see see.
• 23:19
  The Josh trade for the year. I don't know.
• 23:21
  My girlfriend's gonna let me trade with Josh again.
• 23:23
  So I don't think my wife will let me change.
• 23:27
  That's true. Giving birth.
• 23:30
  What are you freaking out about? Don't worry about it.
• 23:35
  But yeah, no, I think I do agree with the with the OC Bouchard
• 23:39
  ones. I'm happy keeping Werenski
• 23:40
  though over those guys. But reliability factor in this,
• 23:44
  I do think it's safer to get Yoshi and Bouchard in return.
• 23:47
  So yeah. I think it really depends on
• 23:49
  what how much you think the Marchenko injury is going to
• 23:51
  affect. Him yeah because like this is
• 23:53
  very unique and they. Keep dropping players too.
• 23:55
  Yeah, at some point he's not playing with the same.
• 23:57
  Guys anymore, no, I know and like you usually think that the
• 23:59
  defenseman is somewhat separated from a forward and that it
• 24:02
  wouldn't really affect a line made.
• 24:03
  It's obvious and in this case. We all know that Columbus was
• 24:07
  due for some regression as well, because they were all playing
• 24:08
  like yeah, crazy. Above one point per game pace,
• 24:11
  Yeah. Would have been shocking if
• 24:13
  they. Ended, I will say, if you like a
• 24:14
  month ago, you offer me where asking for Yoshi or Bouchard.
• 24:16
  I probably would take it now, I wouldn't take it, but I don't
• 24:19
  think people have necessarily reached that point yet.
• 24:21
  Like I've reached out because I have this my kind of opinion on
• 24:24
  the marching country. A lot of people, you know, will
• 24:26
  just look at Wronski season average and see how unreal he's
• 24:29
  been and see, you know, Yoshi, you know, hasn't been as great
• 24:32
  as expected. You know, Bouchard obviously
• 24:33
  turned it on recently, but not necessarily as good as expected
• 24:36
  thing with like Jolene. Yeah.
• 24:37
  So I think those could get done. And like these guys plus my car,
• 24:41
  it's like the the most elite point scoring defenseman in the
• 24:43
  league. Right.
• 24:44
  Should have added Mccart here as a target because my car is
• 24:46
  actually been pretty poor. He's just impossible to trade
• 24:48
  for because everybody knows the best.
• 24:50
  Yeah, yeah, that's true. But honestly, like my car would
• 24:53
  have been a better target than he was because like, Hughes has
• 24:55
  been better than my. Car.
• 24:56
  Yeah, that's true. Anyway, it's a good one.
• 24:59
  It's a good one. Should we move on to Kevins?
• 25:02
  Yes, Sir. I'm so thrilled to talk about
• 25:05
  this and Josh is equally thrilled because this is a
• 25:08
  player that I've hated on the whole season for the exact
• 25:11
  reasons why Josh traded him away from his team, except he
• 25:13
  couldn't have that opinion until he was off his team.
• 25:16
  But I'm. Too emotionally invested?
• 25:18
  It is Jesper Brat of the New Jersey Devils.
• 25:21
  So yeah, Josh was finally able to trade Jasper Brett and then
• 25:24
  coincidentally, I add him as myself high to do everybody else
• 25:27
  the favor of listening to my advice.
• 25:29
  Well, yeah, New Jersey. First of all, let's start with
• 25:32
  the playoffs because New Jersey plays two games in the Week 24
• 25:34
  championship so I'm already want to move away from all of their
• 25:37
  kind of assets to level up there.
• 25:40
  Brad is averaging 1.4 points per game over the last two weeks and
• 25:43
  I expect his points projection to be between 0.9 to one point
• 25:46
  per game rest of season, so he's already playing well above that
• 25:50
  and selling him shouldn't be too hard.
• 25:52
  He has also produced for a large part of the season and New
• 25:54
  Jersey has also played the most games all year which contributes
• 25:57
  to his high rank. When you're opening your fantasy
• 25:59
  app and you're seeing where guys running season total, all the
• 26:02
  New Jersey guys are kind of over what they should be expected
• 26:05
  because they've played so many games.
• 26:07
  And that's that's a, you know, a good negotiation, negotiation
• 26:11
  factor to use when you're leveraging your trade.
• 26:15
  So all of that together, I'd really be looking at getting a
• 26:19
  player that's a tear up at the minimum, a lateral move that
• 26:22
  helps you in the playoffs that has a better playoff schedule.
• 26:24
  And plus his shot volume is also pretty low.
• 26:26
  He doesn't score many goals anymore.
• 26:28
  It's mostly assist. So I think now is the perfect
• 26:29
  time to move off of him. And I'd trade four guys like
• 26:33
  Marshall, Gensel, Boldy, if you want to do like Josh.
• 26:36
  If you're looking across position, I try to add a
• 26:39
  defenseman that you can target, maybe weaker and Tim Stutzel.
• 26:42
  I think all these guys have better playoff schedules and are
• 26:45
  just better NCS. It's overall.
• 26:46
  It's crazy cause I feel like the name value, I really prefer Brad
• 26:50
  to Marsha so but in reality I see why it logically makes sense
• 26:54
  to do this now. And also just to say that Marsha
• 26:57
  so and Gensel right next to each other there is mind boggling,
• 27:00
  you know what I mean? So I just think there's kind of
• 27:03
  a different tier there, like if you were to sell Brad for
• 27:05
  Marsha. So I think that gets done easily
• 27:07
  the others. I have Marshall would not take
• 27:10
  Brett. Yeah, you hate Brett.
• 27:12
  Yeah, Marshall gets way more shots, hits and he's been like
• 27:17
  really good at points so. I just wonder if Gensel is
• 27:20
  attainable. I think that's kind of a bit of
• 27:22
  a step above just. Cuz I mean, Brad has been really
• 27:24
  good. Four points per game.
• 27:25
  Yeah, I would do this, by the way, like for all these targets,
• 27:29
  I think it's really good. I just think that the the Gensel
• 27:32
  owner may have some issues. With these very attainable.
• 27:35
  These very attainable so it's just not being that good wigger
• 27:39
  it's that's a. Position, yeah, Cross position.
• 27:41
  I think I like it like a top five to seven defensemen.
• 27:45
  Like he's that second best category guy.
• 27:48
  Also on people, one for Calgary, third best.
• 27:51
  I would put I'd say dalene, then cider, then weaker.
• 27:54
  I think Wiggers better for Dandali in terms of like being a
• 27:58
  category guy just because he's getting like Overdose 2, those
• 28:02
  two blocks and hits. But obviously I take Darlene
• 28:04
  over Wigger. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:06
  So my opinion on this, I mean, obviously I agree on this.
• 28:08
  Oh, I've been trying to sell high on him all year and I
• 28:11
  finally did so. So you're agree with?
• 28:14
  It I cannot picture him regressing.
• 28:16
  He's so good. Look at this New Jersey power
• 28:18
  plant. And they go like scoreless for a
• 28:19
  month. Yeah, you're like ohhhhh.
• 28:21
  No, I will say his like archetype of player is like kind
• 28:24
  of a frustrating hold in in bangers leagues because he
• 28:27
  really doesn't do anything other than points in power play
• 28:30
  points. He I expected him to shoot a lot
• 28:32
  more when I drafted him this year.
• 28:33
  Like in in the past, he's doing like a three shot, one hit guy,
• 28:35
  you know, which is like that's exactly what you want from your
• 28:38
  point for game player. You know, three shot, one hit,
• 28:39
  even if they're putting up points, you're happy with them.
• 28:41
  But then he's been shooting at like two shots or less and just
• 28:45
  not really doing any backpacks when he when he goes on like a
• 28:48
  dry spell of no points, it's really frustrating.
• 28:50
  Not that that's happened much. He's been great for points all
• 28:52
  year and I was happy with him on my team.
• 28:54
  It was just a very frustrating own and a clear cell high when
• 28:56
  he's hitting those points. So I agree with your point
• 28:59
  about, you know, getting selling him high in terms of the
• 29:02
  targets. I agree with all of them other
• 29:03
  than Marsha. So I think you may have a bit of
• 29:05
  a bias because you own Marsha. So and I think Marco has been
• 29:08
  super hot lately. So I think you have to kind of
• 29:09
  take out the the recency of it all.
• 29:12
  And obviously Marcos better for the back cats, which makes him,
• 29:14
  you know, less frustrating on schedule, though, and the
• 29:17
  playoff schedule is massive. But I just think that you can
• 29:19
  get Brit Marceau plus for brat. I wouldn't.
• 29:21
  I don't think the one for one is maximizing your value.
• 29:25
  So that's the one I don't necessarily agree with.
• 29:28
  We're going to love. They've been pretty similar in
• 29:29
  production. Though, Yeah, but that's like
• 29:31
  recently, you know, if you look at March.
• 29:32
  For months, long time for sure, only use assets.
• 29:35
  Having them on your team for a month like you get used to that
• 29:37
  level also. Just believe in New Jersey a lot
• 29:39
  more than I believe in Nashville, who's one of the
• 29:40
  worst teams in the league this year.
• 29:42
  And like, you know, yeah, it's crazy.
• 29:45
  We've been talking about this like every week.
• 29:46
  And it's like, I think it started to set in a couple weeks
• 29:48
  ago that this was just like, so they were going to be the
• 29:50
  season. Yeah.
• 29:50
  And it's wild. But yeah, so.
• 29:52
  But I mean, I can't fault you for putting that because if you
• 29:54
  look at their numbers next to each other over the past month,
• 29:56
  it makes perfect sense. So I think they're easier.
• 29:58
  I think I think that's better. But but I could see that being
• 30:02
  like a decent one. And then all the other ones I
• 30:03
  think is a huge one if you. Think the Marshall is kind of
• 30:05
  like a lateral move with better players, better playoff
• 30:08
  schedule, Yeah. Yeah, I could see that.
• 30:10
  Yeah, cool. Alrighty, so my cell high.
• 30:14
  Other than the fact that he's got an awesome first name, it's
• 30:19
  just been he's just been overperforming.
• 30:20
  So it's Jake Sanderson on the Ottawa Senators.
• 30:25
  They have been on a tear over the past six game, six games in
• 30:28
  Sanderson is like he's legit been a monster, posting 10
• 30:32
  points over that span. He was drafted to be an elite
• 30:35
  defenseman and I really like how the Senators have consistently
• 30:38
  gone back to him and given him solid ice time and power play
• 30:41
  one over pretty much his entire NHL career.
• 30:44
  This crazy pace simply won't continue, though.
• 30:47
  I really like the idea that the sends are going to be fighting
• 30:50
  for a playoff spot till the end of the season.
• 30:52
  Generally, players on those teams are the best fantasy
• 30:54
  outfits to own. One guy won like I think almost
• 30:59
  a three Peter, a three-peat at the beginning because he was he
• 31:02
  had Kucherov when Talbot was fighting for a playoff spot.
• 31:04
  I remember that was that was crazy.
• 31:06
  So anyway, but yeah, so the Senators also have a really good
• 31:10
  playoff schedule. And I think that this can be
• 31:12
  another big incentive for someone else to buy him from
• 31:14
  you. So really checks off a lot of
• 31:16
  boxes. But I just think that you can
• 31:18
  level up to a more reliable, consistent and proven fantasy
• 31:21
  asset. And if you're willing to sell
• 31:23
  Sanderson, even the playoff schedule and the fact they're
• 31:25
  fighting for the playoffs in real life does factor into his
• 31:29
  favor. Now is probably the best time to
• 31:31
  sell. So some good targets.
• 31:33
  This one's an overreach, I will admit it, but he hasn't been
• 31:36
  amazing all year. He's really just turned it up
• 31:38
  recently. So the first one I got is
• 31:39
  Bouchard, but the rest, I think it's like totally realistic.
• 31:44
  It's Sergachev, Hedman and Seth Jones.
• 31:47
  I said, Seth, just in case, you know, maybe you thought I was
• 31:49
  talking about Kaleb. So thank you.
• 31:52
  For the clarification, I have to change all of my opinions.
• 31:55
  Yeah, I agree with everything, everything you said here.
• 31:58
  I actually was trying to buy low on Sanderson six games ago
• 32:01
  before, before this, I sent an offer of Vince and Jordan
• 32:05
  Binnington for Sanderson, which at the time I think was an
• 32:07
  overpay and it got rejected and then something popped off.
• 32:11
  So obviously, you know, now it looks like, like I was trying to
• 32:15
  like steal him or whatever. But no, I think he's a great
• 32:17
  sell high cause he's just been unreal.
• 32:19
  And other than the Bouchard, which I think is a stretch, I
• 32:22
  think all the others can get done and would be great
• 32:24
  upgrades. Yeah, I agree with everything
• 32:26
  you said. I think I'd rather have
• 32:27
  Sanderson over Seth Jones rest of season.
• 32:30
  Have you looked at Seth Jones like last?
• 32:31
  Month. I know he's been unreal, he's
• 32:33
  been nuts. But Ottawa has the playoff
• 32:34
  schedule and I bank on Ottawa being a good team longer than
• 32:39
  Chicago. A bit of a tangent, but do you
• 32:41
  put any stock in possible Seth Jones trade?
• 32:43
  Rumors I do put stock just burst before you guys you were like I
• 32:47
  don't think that like you guys were just like I'm not putting
• 32:50
  stock into a potential. Trade, no, I remember that and I
• 32:52
  stood by it. But I recently I recently saw a
• 32:55
  rumor of Seth Jones to Dallas which makes sense with the
• 32:57
  Heskin. And it does it without that.
• 32:59
  Entry Spicy. And they could hold some cap to
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  yeah. So so that one, if Jones goes to
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  Dallas, he becomes a top, top tier defenseman to me, including
• 33:08
  the playoff. Schedule for sure.
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  Yeah, I think that's Seth Jones. I think it would put him in the
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  realm of Sanderson, of what Sanderson can be rest of the
• 33:17
  season on a Ottawa team that's, you know, clicking, that's
• 33:19
  strong and that has a good playoff schedule.
• 33:21
  But John Scott? Crazy backcast.
• 33:22
  Yeah, Jones has a better is definitely better for block
• 33:25
  specifically and. Hits.
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  I agree that Jones on Chicago I might prefer Sanderson, but
• 33:30
  Jones on Dallas I'm taking over Sanderson.
• 33:32
  For sure, yeah, but. The other ones like you're
• 33:35
  definitely. Taking for sure, For sure.
• 33:36
  I would trade centres in for Bouchard, for circuit chip, for
• 33:39
  Hedman, absolutely. Yeah.
• 33:41
  And I think again, Bouchard I think is a bit out of surf and
• 33:44
  had been, I really think I get. Done.
• 33:45
  I mean, we just, I mean, I just said.
• 33:49
  Yeah, exactly. We finish each others sound
• 33:51
  traps. One of these days we're gonna
• 33:54
  get. One of these days we're gonna
• 33:56
  get it. But yeah, so no, I think it's a
• 33:59
  solid 1 and really I think it's gonna be an amazing defenseman
• 34:03
  in the future and we're going to be talking about.
• 34:04
  Him in this wouldn't say that for multiple years at this.
• 34:06
  Point This is his breakout year he's been.
• 34:08
  Really. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  But like next year, like I do think be a point per game guy,
• 34:13
  like it's not unrealistic. It really obviously depends on
• 34:15
  how the team as a whole is, but I think he's shown the potential
• 34:18
  to be one of these top tier #1D in fantasy.
• 34:21
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