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Strictly Come Hamster - Season Twelve (featuring Daniel Knight, Lucy McCaul, Jo Short & Elliot Mair) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

• 0:10
  Switch it off. Hey well, Avenge the
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  annihilation of our people with a retaliation, so massive, so
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  merciless that it will live in history.
• 1:38
  Doctor, Who founds what an invented, Invincible species.
• 1:45
  It's only a few million years since they crawled out of the
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  internet and learned to pop cast puny defenseless.
• 1:52
  Bypass usually the last to be picked for football.
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  They've survived Moffitt White House and grade, they survived
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  Cosmic Wars, and hideous, our reconstructions.
• 2:02
  And now, here they are Out Among the Stars, having photos at
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  conventions, ready to Outsider ternatea or however long it
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  takes us to do this episode. There in Dominican in dorm.
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  Welcome to Strictly Come hamster where we are celebrating 50
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  years of season 12 five stories, five guests.
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  But which one will be? We will we be raving about or
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  which one will get a big fat Noah?
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  Are you voorhis or against us? Right.
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  That's enough of the season 12 puns to decide which of these
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  five stories will lift that location glitter ball.
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  Let's meet our illustrious panel now, we are making strictly
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  history today. I believe as we have two
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  wonderful ladies on our panel. Yeah, we'll be the first
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  Strictly Come hamster to pass the Bechtel test.
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  Is it back down or best deal? Which is more than could be said
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  for this era. Where female characters are as
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  rarest in B&M. So first, let me introduce my
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  Nemesis Time Lord apologist and there's a lot to apologize for.
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  But at least we'll agree that invasion of the dinosaurs is
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  great. It's the lovely Joe short.
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  Hello Joe. Hello everybody on.
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  We might be Nemesis Daniel but I also wrote that Bloody speech.
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  I had that did you offered me in a million not Okay.
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  So sorry, what could you do? I like at some point in the
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  episode can you say I'll put it at the end of the episode?
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  Well, the episode with the speeches really, really clear
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  about that. It's lovely to have.
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  You. Lovely to have you here?
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  Next up, we have our witty, little nicer herself, Lucy
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  calls, say Hello Lucy. Hello.
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  I'm not sure we will pass the Bill test because that that test
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  humorously applied in cartoonz and then seriously applied by
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  the people. He's women talking about, Not
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  men. And as there aren't many female
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  characters in this season. Yeah, well past, but never mind.
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  It's nice to be here. We can sort look at the women.
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  There's four of them in this series.
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  Yes. So there we are.
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  Yes, got it. That's four women one.
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  Yes, one speaking voice is one four women.
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  You see, I can see a door when I Eyes.
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  Unbelievable, isn't it? Yeah, there's one.
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  It is for women and there's one speaking voice.
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  So that makes technically five, right.
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  I was on the fence about one story, but I'm going in the oven
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  and she is now and she is the high Minister as well.
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  So she is, you know, as Harry says, top of the totem pole,
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  which is not a particularly PC comment, but there we go.
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  Moving on, let's introduce my co-host, who isn't Joe?
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  Because he's taking a day off. Lazy, little toe rag.
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  Please welcome Elliott mayor. Welcome Elliott's.
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  Your first strictly isn't it? Second, second strictly.
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  Oh sorry. No, don't don't apologize.
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  I'm the happy to be joined by bunch of homo sapiens.
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  It's good and I've got no beef with anybody but I'm looking
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  forward to maybe starting some rivalries I guess.
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  Oh. You got so with you today, and
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  we should also introduce our first fifth panelist Mr. Joe
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  Ford, the selfless himself. Hello.
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  How are you? Serious.
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  My voice etcetera. Hello to be here.
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  Just put my feet up now. So to let you two Charming
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  gentleman take the reins today, although, can I just say it just
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  a quick note? Yeah, because Lucy McCollum and
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  Joshua. Martin favorite women on this
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  entire planet to have them both here together.
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  Today is that particularly for me, Thank you.
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  Look at them. Both looking bashful.
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  Now honestly they are the most English people.
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  I know. Absolutely.
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  Absolutely. Yeah, with apologize to be, it
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  really apologize for being here. Probably in a minute ago, I'm
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  here. So, um, before we start ripping
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  these five stories apart, what are, what are our overview
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  overall comments or thoughts about this season?
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  And I'm going to ask Joe first me, so, oh no, this is gonna be
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  going. Yeah, it's gonna keep using a
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  confused already Joe with a knee.
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  Hey, yeah, yes, I am. Yes, well, I've just written
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  down out with the successful old in with the possibly slightly
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  more successful new. I think there is a fresh sense
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  of horror and dynamism and a creeping sense of dread in the
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  universe that comes in this season.
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  It's a lot more brutal. I'm going to say it's a lot less
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  fun as well. Doctor Who going forward I think
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  this is a really good season over.
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  Overall, but there's just a feeling that we're not quite
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  there yet two of these on, definitely going to ditch one,
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  I'm on the fence with which means in a season of five,
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  that's possibly free on thrown in the bin.
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  So I think, I think there's good things in this year, but I don't
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  think Hinchcliffe is quite there yet.
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  Okay, Joe, without any I'm very similar to.
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  Over the knee. It's just like Tom hits the
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  floor running which is good, you know, because, you know, you
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  want to be some doctors, you know, they take a while to sort
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  of develop but he seems to like oh I'm here right now.
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  Um, but I had certain issues, is it the obvious slack of women?
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  And I worry about characterization of Sarah is a
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  lot of things I have issues with about her and sort of like, But
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  she regresses a character after the sort of, you know, really
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  good first season with Percy, is a lot more I know looking at it.
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  Now, you know, I did season in 22 and everyone goes all the
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  violence in that violence in that.
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  But this violence in, this is pretty, it starts to get pretty
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  nasty. You know, I'm not, you know,
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  he's got very, very, you know, serious issues.
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  You got the fascism, you got racism, you got racial Purity.
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  So obviously they've got very, very serious issues.
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  There's not one I hate and it's not when I love.
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  This is a, this is going to be really, really difficult because
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  I could either put through or check out all of things.
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  You know, I'm very much on the fence, you know, it's going to
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  be quite interesting how I actually do decide as we go
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  along. It's because I'm not, I'm not
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  coming in here going. I want my one to win or I don't
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  want something. I'm, you know, I would be I will
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  be disappointed with any of the winning or any of them getting
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  thrown out. So I'm very interested to see
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  how this goes. So I mean, take this whatever
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  way you want to take, it does that mean you're open to
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  persuasion? The wise I don't know what's
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  happened. Severe that I'll get more
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  heterosexual for the minute and Elliott.
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  What's, what do you thoughts? It's I've I was gonna I was
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  gonna be like, I'll keep powder dry, but I think this is I think
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  this is a really, really great season.
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  I got a lot of love for for this.
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  I mean there are still it's a year where I could keep
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  everything but there is two that I think I'd lean more on the
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  fence of kind of binning. But even then I don't think
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  anything is like offensively bad.
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  There are definitely issues with the season.
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  I think notably as as Joe and Joe have made, and the lack of
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  women in this season is noticeable.
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  Um, and yeah, I just Echo sentence around Sarah's
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  character, but I think it is really great.
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  It's not the kind of Doctor Who you could do all the time.
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  I think what makes it special, is it kind of, you know, it
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  feels almost all like a a one-off.
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  I mean, this isn't 13 but I think, you know it it's not,
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  it's not it's not Doctor Who I would want, every single season
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  to be, but I think that makes it kind of feel special and I have
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  a lot of nostalgia, for, as well because this was the first full
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  season of classic that I have ever actually watched Thanks to
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  the the collection box at ranges so I didn't frighten you away
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  then know if I I remember being really yeah.
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  Unsure if I was gonna like it or not and actually Know fully the
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  fully loved it. Fully signed up and now it's an
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  unhealthy Obsession. So I love that.
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  That floppy wrist. Robot going.
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  Oh was your first exposure to the classic who you like?
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  Now sign me up. Well, I get powder dry on that
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  story but I've got a figure of him downstairs.
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  So oh, is that a Genesis to? Like I can see on your, on your
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  case, on your bookcase behind you.
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  And that is genuinely always just sat there and I was
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  actually gonna move the K1 robot up there as well to have a
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  little diorama, but I forgot. But that is a Genesis doll.
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  Look, Yes. Okay.
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  No Lucy. What are your thoughts?
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  Overall mixed? I think that there are some
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  things that I think, what really?
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  Well, there are parts of it that I kind of regret the way that
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  the story takes them. And obviously, things like, I
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  will talk about this later on, but things like unit, or
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  obviously unsustainable with Thomas, the doctor because he's
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  such a different doctor. He doesn't need the stories are
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  going to go in different direction but the sort of the
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  decline of unique is something like sort of regret.
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  Because I really like them, but I can see that that one works.
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  All these have to move on. I also regret that the she
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  continues to show bravery and Ingenuity.
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  Sarah's character is becoming more or less of a kind of an
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  individual and more of a female character just, you know, female
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  character. We'll talk about my opinion on
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  Harry in and how he works or doesn't work later on.
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  I think so. There's definitely one that I
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  really can't see the point of at all in this season and it kind
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  of comes up against. Yes, I do like watching violent
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  films and I like Vengeance on virus.
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  Now I didn't want when I was a kid but I there are some things
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  in this season where I just think what what's the point of
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  that particular episode except to be lost?
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  And if there isn't necessarily a point to it, then I don't I
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  don't get it really. Um, there were things that I
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  like that other people definitely don't like judging by
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  the comments but that's, that's usual.
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  So yeah, it's a bit Like some of it works and some of it works
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  later on and some of it for me, doesn't work at all.
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  So a mixture, one of the things about this, looking at it in the
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  context is that we forget how much of a gamble this season was
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  because Peart, we had been huge as the doctor.
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  They'd been five very successful years.
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  I mean, even after he left the show, I mean he was always
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  complaining about Typecast but we was, wasn't he?
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  But if you turn up on blankie blank, wearing a red velvet
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  shirt and a friendly red velvet jacket and a really sure what
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  you expect and Tom wasn't a big name and I think, you know,
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  looking at some of the sort of contemporary, so reviews and
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  audience audience research that he wasn't accepted. and you can
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  and I can kind of see why because he is so he they are so
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  they're Polar, Opposites both in real life and on screen and
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  there are certainly in Rabat there are sometimes when you
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  think That's a line and Tom's really sort of working against
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  it because he didn't want to do the smug, you know.
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  Pompous although Tom can be pompous as a doctor.
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  But he's like you said Joe, he hits the ground running.
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  Yes. Sarah in this season because
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  she's sharing the Limelight with Harry is not the co-lead that
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  she was in some stories in season 11.
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  I'd argue probably have first two stories, she's quite very
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  strong in that but certainly death the dialects Nation
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  doesn't really do female characters, really?
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  Does he as we'll see later on the Blake 7?
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  Yeah. I, but as from from the
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  nostalgic point of view, this is this is comfort food.
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  Doctor for me, I will quite happily sit and watch all of
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  these episodes and and not have a car.
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  Yes, I know there were issues with them.
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  And I think yeah, absolutely agree with what you said about
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  the lack of female representation.
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  There are no persons of color in this season as far as I can
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  remember. And certainly when you look at
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  ARC in space, that is a huge problem.
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  Bearing in mind that, you know, that says all colors and
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  unfortunately been hasn't read the script and is all you know,
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  they're all white car, white actors.
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  But yeah, I as it just takes me back to to my childhood as well.
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  Say Charles Hood sort of late teens, getting all the stories
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  on video on VHS and And listening to the LP of Genesis,
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  the Daleks. So I think I will, if I'm going
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  to be controversial, I have to force myself to be controversial
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  and force myself to be strict on these stories.
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  Otherwise, it's just going to be a love information.
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  Can I be a contentious bugger from me off?
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  Because I never normally ice permission disagree strongly
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  with three of you and something that you've all agreed on.
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  I think Elisabeth. Sladen.
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  And Sarah Jane Smith in this season is vital to the stories.
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  The stories, I think work. I think she's absolutely vital
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  to their success. And I really want to get into
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  that one. I'll talk about those stories, I
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  think. If she wasn't in this season, I
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  wasn't depicted the way she is. Those stories would fall apart
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  all, they would lose something. That makes them work to the
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  story. She is, is as strong as she is
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  in season 11. One.
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  Definitely not. To possibly under the
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  circumstances. Yeah. but that's Yeah.
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  Well we'll talk about that. Anyway, let's have a look at our
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  overall comments and Joe and Lucie.
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  Would you like to read our first batch of overall comments
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  please? Okay, so first off we have
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  Darren lit around us who says, it's kind of the archetypal.
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  Dr. Who season, but I wouldn't call it a favorite, of course,
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  my season 12 is a cracking WCS and Tom Baker, who is
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  magnificent from the outset and throughout Abba supported by Ian
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  Martin and Liz Slade and what a tardis team.
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  I love the fact that each store, we flows into the next one of
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  the very best seasons of who. Are the next.
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  We have James Locke who's getting younger by the minute.
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  Thank goodness. He was near death in the series.
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  4 Doctor Who's first story arc and the second Arc story.
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  May not quite hit the consistent stride of Hinchcliffe and Holmes
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  next to Seasons. But by golly, it's an impressive
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  statement of intent and the team of the Doctor, Tom, Sarah and
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  Harry have a joyous fresh chemistry, a little bit magical.
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  Okay, Jason Thompson says, just like his predecessor.
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  Tom Baker, gets the season. Unlike any of these that follow
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  and it's brilliant. He said, he wasn't overly happy
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  to have inherited a bunch of stories with returning monsters
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  but he made the best of them and the results are great.
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  The lovely pulled down season, 12 is probably the greatest
• 18:06
  first season of any doctor after season 7, Thomas assured from
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  the word go, there's a variety of stories you can steal.
• 18:15
  You can still see the hands of fix slash lips in it but with
• 18:20
  the home with a hinge ship slash homes Darkness love.
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  It's a bit. Oh dear.
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  No, say how was it me? It's me, isn't it?
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  Oh yes, I want to read this one. John Arnold controversy corner.
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  It's become almost a definitive season of the 20th century Who
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  full of the shows. Icons, Tom Liz, Dalek santara,
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  and Cybermen. No wonder, it was the first
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  season fully released on VHS and the first season out on Blu-ray.
• 18:51
  It's a bit of a shame then it's one of the weakest seasons of
• 18:54
  Doctor Who. John oh well.
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  Dan Hollingsworth is once team? Philip get full control.
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  And rewrite, most of the stories they've inherited.
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  It works so very well, and he's one of the best baby doctors
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  Seasons. Probably helped by Tom being the
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  doctor and the doctor being Tom. He's an alien in real life,
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  right? Sarah.
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  And Harry, and marvelous. You're not the way the
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  ingeniously used the time Wing, links stories to reuse the Arts
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  in the same place in two different times, we have to
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  thank Barry lit for Genesis because he told Nation.
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  The original pitch was the same Dolly story as planet of and
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  making up with the new story. Andrew says, dare I say
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  contender for the best opening season for a doctor ever season
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  7 will be up their Great Performances throughout the
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  season. The moment, Sarah Jane, and the
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  doctor, at the end of robot, with the Jelly Babies captures,
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  their friendship perfectly. Oh, you love him.
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  When he takes it off Harry and Friends it back in the bag.
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  I love it. Down in says, when all is not
• 19:55
  well in my life season 12 Doctor, Who is my absolute go-to
• 19:58
  had all of these are VHS when I was little and they literally
• 20:01
  saved my childhood. The child is Trio are adorable
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  together. Perfect, balance of Earth and
• 20:06
  space settings. I even love the sun tower and
• 20:08
  experiment season 12 of his perfect in Brackets to me.
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  Wow, saved my childhood. Yeah.
• 20:14
  Wow houses Only Barnes the Golden Age begins.
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  Different homes, make the markings style, cozy Adventures
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  of let's give them away to Gothic horror and his glorious.
• 20:28
  Never want to avoid controversy. James hadwin, Bennett comes in
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  with where, who's inability to decide if it's an anthology
• 20:36
  series collapses in on itself, the season works because of the
• 20:40
  leads, not the stories, even the doctor is unpleasant to his
• 20:43
  companions at times and everything suffers from the hype
• 20:47
  of the 80s, It's when everybody was looking back and saying, you
• 20:51
  know, jnt said is, you know, the memory Chief.
• 20:53
  Oh, sorry, James. Yeah.
• 20:55
  That's actually a very good. I mean, you were getting a lot
• 20:58
  of Hinchcliffe stories out on VHS in the 80s.
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  Weren't you so good? No wrong.
• 21:04
  Could it in her? I'm not we who was just being
• 21:06
  crap on from a great height at the same time outrageous.
• 21:13
  I'm apologize. If I don't pronounce your name
• 21:15
  properly. House.
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  Possibly k a h u s h u s c. H, is it one of the best
• 21:22
  seasons? Absolutely, Tom listen, Ian a
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  practically feeding off each other in a totally slight
• 21:26
  season. The stories of will produce the
• 21:29
  ark is never forced on anything production wise and the
• 21:32
  coalstone crew are just absolutely well-rounded for the
• 21:34
  stories. John L A oh IX, not too sure
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  whether One. Okay, two great three good, four
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  long and two dominant time. Five six.
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  Yeah I love A Brief Review straight to the point.
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  Maybe I should get him on this thing.
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  You know we might be done in an hour.
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  Um eight stays that's that's the John Arnold son.
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  Eddie says season 12 in two words, very mediocre.
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  Oh, this is what you Should not hurt.
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  Well, it was the same as his father's opinion, as well.
• 22:17
  Isn't it obviously been a little bit?
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  Yeah. Luke seems Jenkins says the best
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  season since 7 and a breath of fresh air as a couple of
• 22:26
  Clunkers. But the combo of the fourth
• 22:28
  doctor series, and Harry can make anything.
• 22:30
  Watchable and fun. The wonderful thing named, Matt
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  Paddington. Look, it's not exactly in a
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  controversial opinion, but this season is just magic.
• 22:38
  Isn't it a lot while it and key to time with the only classic
• 22:43
  Seasons I'd seen in full? Not been too familiar with the
• 22:46
  show at the time. I just assumed it was all like
• 22:48
  this this season runs beautifully, the truly golden
• 22:52
  season of Tilly and then there's revenge of the Cybermen too.
• 22:56
  Oh, Andy Parkinson. Finally says, a very strong
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  first season for Tom whilst the opening story has a very strong.
• 23:08
  He looks very strong, very strong, Third Doctor filled the
• 23:11
  rest of the season already Bears, the Hallmark of
• 23:14
  Hinchcliffe homes era. It might not be the best season
• 23:16
  of TOMS zero. It's got some epic stories and
• 23:19
  even the week one, which is unnamed, here isn't bad.
• 23:24
  We've got a different week. One in mine.
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  Doesn't we must think we have? Yes.
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  So let's start on our story so don't rush it once.
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  Oh good first. Oh really see.
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  Okay, I saw an experiment in the bin, oh, Thanks.
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  For. Well it's it's obviously all a
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  personal View and I'm sure others will have opposing views
• 24:11
  to that, and that's absolutely fine.
• 24:12
  But this is the story that I was talking about where I said, I
• 24:16
  don't really see what it's for. It apart from to provide a gap
• 24:20
  in time between the arcing space and revenge of the Cybermen.
• 24:26
  We're on an apparently deserted apart from some South African
• 24:32
  astronauts. And us on Turin. who is doing
• 24:38
  horrible things to humans in order to find out their
• 24:41
  weaknesses and that's it. so what we're watching is, People
• 24:47
  having horrible things done to them torture porn.
• 24:50
  Oh I mean I know I know it makes me hypocritical because I do
• 24:54
  like Vengeance on various but I feel like there's more kind of
• 24:58
  behind that than there is behind this.
• 25:01
  It just feels in that particular season.
• 25:03
  It feels like an oddity its just oh, we're on Earth.
• 25:07
  Terrible things happen. We go back into space again.
• 25:10
  What what was that, what the bit that I do like is when the
• 25:14
  sontara and deflates? I think we should bring back.
• 25:16
  Deflating is on tolerance personally that that's my
• 25:19
  favorite part and you do get a little bit of seeing Harry being
• 25:22
  Doctor Harry rather than Inexplicably deemed Harry, but
• 25:28
  for the rest of it, just when I was watching it, I don't have
• 25:32
  sort of the childhood Nostalgia attracted to this because I
• 25:35
  watched them first. As far as I can remember, I was
• 25:38
  an adult. When I watched them first,
• 25:39
  though, there are some things that I have vague memories of
• 25:42
  possibly from repeats. It just felt a bit.
• 25:47
  Sort of insubstantial and not really.
• 25:52
  Serving any purpose other than to provide a buffer between the
• 25:54
  other two stories. So I'm so I would like to meet
• 25:59
  We've Vengeance, right? You get, you get the whole
• 26:02
  political structure of the planet, don't you?
• 26:04
  You get our connector watching it and commentating on the
• 26:07
  action. There's just so many layers to
• 26:09
  the torture form. There isn't there?
• 26:11
  I mean, he doesn't really in a lot of ways Vengeance, and
• 26:13
  various also doesn't really work because it is having their cake
• 26:16
  wanting to have their cake and eat it.
• 26:17
  So like violence on Terraria, television is terrible.
• 26:20
  All look violence. This is about you except it's
• 26:23
  not really and the whole social structure doesn't really work
• 26:26
  either and there's lots of things wrong with it but it has
• 26:30
  very, very strong performance. Is from Nabil Shaban and Martin
• 26:34
  Javis who I think raise the level of And calling is faring
• 26:41
  on all cylinders. This is another thankless
• 26:43
  episode for Perry because she gets so carted off turned into a
• 26:47
  bird or not and then back again, so that that doesn't really.
• 26:50
  But the three, the male leads, all raise it.
• 26:54
  A little because of their performance is in their
• 26:57
  commitment to it and I don't I just don't I don't know, I just
• 27:00
  don't see what he's for really soaring experiment, but please
• 27:03
  do contradict me. Oh, we will, I'm sure.
• 27:09
  Okay, so let's go to our viewer, comments.
• 27:11
  Elliott, would you like to start us off, please?
• 27:14
  Sure. The first one is from James
• 27:17
  Locke who says slight, but some of my favorite Doctor Who is
• 27:21
  Doctor, Who in at a adventure that looks like the kind of walk
• 27:24
  you did on holiday and it looks like he's going on.
• 27:27
  A wonderful walking Devon in the company of three of your most
• 27:29
  charismatic, friends. Oh, and some people doing
• 27:31
  accents. okay, I just asked you to choose this to start off
• 27:36
  because I want to say, give me a big Give me an orange.
• 27:48
  A good story made better by Martin's Target.
• 27:51
  Novel sandwich between two Classics.
• 27:53
  It gets, it's easily gets overlooked but that's a shame
• 27:56
  location for me, for the win. Yes, I'm keeping it too.
• 27:59
  I would not even know. Big article, he could be an
• 28:02
  absolute nutcase for all know, but all I know.
• 28:05
  It's a Fanfare. Every episode on this thing.
• 28:09
  I think he's American, isn't he? Because he seems he seems to put
• 28:13
  a pleasant person from the rest of his social media posts.
• 28:16
  Oh yeah. For that, it could be Donald
• 28:18
  Trump and not guys. Not like the other Big Orange
• 28:22
  over there. Yes, you'll see it on the news
• 28:25
  and even on a hamster. Will blunt pen knife in England,
• 28:29
  they praise me to the High Heavens.
• 28:31
  No, certainly not. We would not expect that.
• 28:35
  I apologize to people suggesting that I apologize, greatly.
• 28:41
  We not expect this level of of Humanity's, from the other
• 28:47
  person. Yeah.
• 28:50
  A full dancers, a nice little story that really benefits from
• 28:54
  being all location. It doesn't overstay, its welcome
• 28:57
  at two parts. Overall, it's pretty
• 28:59
  unmemorable. And once, you know, Terry Walsh
• 29:01
  is doing all the fight scenes, that's all you can see.
• 29:02
  And Anthony Carroll, best two-parter in classic Who very
• 29:06
  Bleak worm 8 out of 10. What does he say worm?
• 29:10
  Oh, cuz Tire says wow. Yes.
• 29:13
  Oh yes. Glenn Fitzgerald a nice little
• 29:23
  story. If I haven't got the time or
• 29:25
  attention span for something longer than this is my go-to a
• 29:28
  great entire performance from Kevin's and it's a nice easy
• 29:31
  storyline to follow personally. I cannot fault it even with the
• 29:35
  robot with its DIY Shop parts that look like the Terminator.
• 29:48
  So I mean see It's a lot better than that one, isn't it?
• 29:51
  Oh, here they got marriage. You know, Charlie, those two
• 29:54
  robots eventually. Yeah, that's where the one book
• 30:02
  Rogers came from. Miss the bus stop spring?
• 30:04
  Isn't he twiki or Worse? Oh my God, are you suggesting
• 30:08
  that squeaky is the next robot. Oh, that's thinking about quick.
• 30:16
  Movers on Daniel, maybe? Right.
• 30:18
  James Avery Gonna Keep it as it's pretty to look at.
• 30:24
  Thanks to the inspired location work.
• 30:25
  Even though the plot makes no sense to me, in the context of
• 30:28
  the Ark Ark. I prefer the idea of the plot
• 30:31
  though. Another reason to keep it.
• 30:33
  Oh, I wonder if he's gonna be mean about the orchestra.
• 30:40
  Michael storm says it's a bit slight and rather says District,
• 30:43
  but it's done. But it does.
• 30:44
  Its job is a nasty piece of work, but he doesn't strike me
• 30:47
  as being particularly sometime early.
• 30:49
  Sarah's worst outing for the season, and she's reduced to a
• 30:52
  damsel in distress. Good episode for Harry though,
• 30:54
  keep a very quick note for Michael storm who are regularly,
• 30:58
  you know, see that for being my Nemesis.
• 31:01
  Michael, you've hit a month. Fantastic work, keep going.
• 31:06
  Anyone social media will know, that's about yeah.
• 31:09
  So yes. Well done.
• 31:10
  Well done. Michael.
• 31:11
  Yeah. John Arnold.
• 31:13
  There's a nasty Street to the sun tower and experiment which
• 31:16
  I've always found off-putting Stars one of the nastiest
• 31:19
  characters in the show's history.
• 31:20
  Sadist with no real need to hang around on a nearly deserted
• 31:24
  Planet who gets to deserve to come up and Peter.
• 31:28
  Old, all the things stick with that.
• 31:32
  It's okay story, but with massive plot floors.
• 31:35
  Why didn't start rain over? Why didn't they asked doc there?
• 31:39
  How does that robot thing for inside Stars spaceship Central
• 31:45
  Market close to, I'm obviously something in that, you know,
• 32:07
  from around in the golden finding the sons, Are you fed up
• 32:13
  of drippy crinkly soggy clothes? Want to find the hottest
• 32:17
  sunspots in town to are your smiles then look no further than
• 32:21
  stay as robot clothes airer. He's collapsible.
• 32:25
  He's mobile and he'll rope in innocent astronauts to help the
• 32:29
  folding and putting away Stiers robot, you're a lipstick laundry
• 32:35
  friends. Lucy quick tmtm.
• 32:42
  Oh Chris. Another one not helped by over
• 32:47
  lovely location. Work being done on OB.
• 32:49
  There's something about this that is just a bit too nasty for
• 32:53
  me at times, it seems to be being sadistic for the sake of
• 32:57
  it and that's not for me. Jason, Thompson's says,
• 33:00
  experiment is a flimsy little two part of the makes no sense.
• 33:03
  Why just I care about taking humans ahead of an assault on
• 33:07
  Earth? When the earth is empty, and he
• 33:08
  had to lure a few down to do it in the first place, but looks
• 33:11
  gorgeous on location. It's the meth one of the Season
• 33:14
  though. Oh, here we go.
• 33:16
  Tim Carter, this is a great little two-parter.
• 33:18
  The location is a character in its own, right?
• 33:20
  Kevin Lindsey is great again, but the mask isn't as good as
• 33:23
  links is the only dodgy thing is the robot entertaining and
• 33:27
  doesn't outstate as well. Come keep serious, right?
• 33:31
  I don't have enough uninflated monsters for the That's what I
• 33:37
  think I did. I did know I mean I didn't
• 33:39
  really want to bring it up because of who's in charge of
• 33:41
  that show but in a fixed for the sontarans does have deflate in
• 33:44
  sontarans as well, it And green goo, which we love a bit about
• 33:49
  that too. Yes.
• 33:51
  That's not the the defense of the deflation that you think it
• 33:55
  is. Although really watch it
• 34:01
  officials on Tara and santara experiments suddenly is a real
• 34:04
  winner. Paul spices, maybe the best
• 34:08
  two-parter in, who love this one.
• 34:10
  Kevin linsey's greater style. The location work is suitably
• 34:13
  Bleak and Atmospheric a gem. David Gillespie, Pratt, nasty,
• 34:19
  brutish, and short, and Rick. Sorry.
• 34:21
  This is what he's saying. I'm not calling David nasty,
• 34:25
  British assured and really good too.
• 34:27
  A wonderful use of location. And a story with a very unique
• 34:30
  atmosphere and excellent follow-up to Arc.
• 34:33
  He's actually very tall. We know our story recently at
• 34:36
  Riverside and very impressively tall, man.
• 34:39
  David lesbian. Oscar Groucho, says excellent.
• 34:42
  Use of Dartmoor Obi hiding. The fact that there is very
• 34:45
  little here that hasn't been seen before.
• 34:47
  Apparently, roundels silly plots, but in atmospheric
• 34:51
  opening episode, the kind of story he can play as a kid went
• 34:54
  out in the countryside with friends.
• 34:55
  All your children, torturing your, friends for fun.
• 35:02
  I mean, I just wanna I might pull Quinn who you fuck off with
• 35:07
  recently Lucy when I was sort of five years old, we used to play
• 35:11
  doctor and the back garden and you just tied me up to the chair
• 35:14
  all the time. I was always the companion.
• 35:16
  He was always the doctor and the monster.
• 35:18
  I got all the choice roles because he was older and I'm
• 35:21
  like I'll feed back now. I think why did you tell me what
• 35:24
  to a cheer so much but because I was always Perry, you know, I
• 35:28
  think that explains a lot. Thanks and for every day.
• 35:36
  Yeah. And rounding us out.
• 35:39
  Madding says perfect link for this story, a neat little
• 35:42
  vignette. That doesn't require any more
• 35:44
  than these two episodes. I love that.
• 35:46
  There's no real escalation from Time Warner.
• 35:47
  It's still just once on her and Apologies, everybody for the
• 35:51
  language. Fucking it up again.
• 35:52
  He'd already talked to apologize for language on this podcast.
• 35:55
  I don't read that one out because I have a 10 year old
• 35:59
  just in the same room as me. So that would have been yes.
• 36:02
  Sorry. I'll write a song, constantly
• 36:08
  interrupted but also put a quick request about mad Paddington.
• 36:10
  Yeah, I know you're listening to this.
• 36:12
  We want to know just how much you are, how far is your depth
• 36:15
  of psychosis, can you please get in touch with this?
• 36:18
  Episode goes out, let us know because I have no idea.
• 36:21
  Just, I don't know that is He's been judging from the comments.
• 36:25
  He's not that bad. No, but it comes from its from
• 36:28
  the store Beast, isn't it? Because Donna says, my padding
• 36:31
  calls, the calls the meat Madness.
• 36:34
  Yeah yeah. It all goes back to the Doctor
• 36:38
  Who well that let us know please.
• 36:41
  And so who would like to is there anyone who would like to
• 36:44
  offer a spirited defense? Yes, Lucy's comments.
• 36:49
  Come on. And Joe, I would love to offer
• 36:51
  complete agreement to Lucy and I think this should be bent, so
• 36:56
  because I tell you why, I really like Dr. Who says, yeah.
• 37:00
  I really like How imaginative they can be with very little
• 37:05
  money and I think there's like really cozy about Dr. Who
• 37:09
  insets, in a BBC studio and I realize I'm being really fucking
• 37:13
  ungrateful to say, well how dare you go outside and two episodes
• 37:16
  and give us this beautiful location work but there's
• 37:20
  something a bit flat about it and and I think everybody on
• 37:24
  location gives a more naturalistic performers and they
• 37:27
  do in the studio. And I love that sort of
• 37:30
  theatrical. We go watch your Ark in space
• 37:32
  and everyone's a bit theatrical win that.
• 37:34
  It's like a stage play. Go and watch sontaran
• 37:36
  experiment. It is like Telly.
• 37:38
  That's what. I'll tell you where, everyone's
• 37:40
  dialed down a little bit. I don't think there's any
• 37:43
  interesting guest characters in this.
• 37:45
  All of the people being tortured are very boring.
• 37:48
  I don't think we learn anything about them so they don't make an
• 37:51
  impact. Like the best guest characters
• 37:52
  do this year and I think even style lacks substance as a
• 37:57
  villain and and not really a decent motive as well so I don't
• 38:01
  really understand. Why he's doing what he's doing
• 38:04
  the obvious stunt double for Tom, you were soon as you see
• 38:09
  that week, you just can't unsee it, can you?
• 38:11
  And I don't like two parts either.
• 38:14
  I, there's not a two-parter in Doctor Who writ on back in on,
• 38:17
  because I just don't think you've got enough time to tell
• 38:20
  the sort of Storytelling they would do you at the time.
• 38:22
  And so, yeah. It's, it's insubstantial as well
• 38:27
  just kind of on every level. I put this on and two episodes
• 38:30
  sort of fly by but without much exciting incident without the
• 38:36
  things I love about classic Doctor Who, which is the
• 38:39
  substance of the stories, telling the idea is the guest
• 38:43
  characters and the atmosphere I don't know it's all just gone so
• 38:47
  yeah it me whoever said near is right.
• 38:50
  There's nothing substantially wrong with it.
• 38:52
  I just don't find it particularly interesting.
• 38:54
  So not for me. I'm with Lucy.
• 38:56
  Joe. What do you thoughts?
• 38:59
  I'm just I think he's got. I like it being Out.
• 39:03
  Because mainly, because I think it looks really good.
• 39:06
  Um, it's nice to have accents in October.
• 39:09
  They will say if we can but it's nice to have sort of like non,
• 39:13
  you know, non Shakespearean. You know, we see ocean.
• 39:18
  I think it's quite interesting that they have that and also
• 39:20
  it's very taken it serious. I like the fact is a nice theme
• 39:24
  about, you know, this passage of the colonization because all the
• 39:29
  South African skirts. What says it's a call?
• 39:33
  They're all saying, you know, oh well, you were the ones who
• 39:37
  pocket off into space and Supply, you know, all these
• 39:39
  people on nerve, you know, nothing.
• 39:41
  You know, this sort of like everyone's this.
• 39:42
  So there's similar things in there.
• 39:45
  It's like in the ark they look upon the people from the past
• 39:49
  and being inferior. And you know, it's a whole
• 39:51
  racial Purity thing which does seem to be run throughout this
• 39:55
  season. I don't like torture to be
• 39:57
  honest. This is the one I can't actually
• 40:01
  Because I'm old I can remember. This is these two episodes.
• 40:04
  The only ones I can actually have memories of because I have
• 40:07
  this memory or watching, you know, all this song.
• 40:11
  Say I don't like to talk to them and says a bit horrible, sort of
• 40:15
  very sort of again, not Susan. Japanese war experiments to see,
• 40:20
  you know what, the opponents are like, I don't like that.
• 40:25
  I don't like, you know, there's bits.
• 40:27
  I like, I like, I like the fact that the South Africans, look,
• 40:31
  look like they've been. They look, filthy, they look
• 40:34
  horrible. They're not all pristine and
• 40:36
  they're nice spacesuits. They look like, they're being
• 40:38
  through absolute hell on this planet, which is unusual because
• 40:41
  usually you know, you go to these, you know, the space here.
• 40:44
  Lovely hair and everything. Well Joe compared to the
• 40:47
  thousands in Planet of the darling.
• 40:49
  They look like they stepped from a shampoo commercial, that's
• 40:52
  really nice. I think, maybe because of the
• 40:55
  location, you know, they can look for him and walk like, you
• 40:58
  know, Stubble and beards and I, but they're horrible boss.
• 41:02
  You don't really care if they do tortured.
• 41:04
  I hate the way they look. So make sure looks stupid that
• 41:08
  bit at the beginning why she upside down on being trapped?
• 41:12
  Why she not in the bloody transmitter being that really
• 41:16
  annoys me that makes her look stupid and that really bugs me,
• 41:20
  you know, all she's up. Oh silly woman she can't even
• 41:23
  believe that really really The robot, I mean, did you know the
• 41:29
  fact that she goes? It was links, you can't be
• 41:33
  links. We blew you up, that makes you
• 41:35
  look stupid or racist, which is next.
• 41:37
  Because if we, if we explained the sometimes the Clones.
• 41:43
  Yeah. I don't think so.
• 41:45
  I think it is mentioned in the time.
• 41:46
  Warrior. Yeah.
• 41:47
  Is it? I mean, even so you know, I
• 41:49
  can't even remember that. Just makes her look a bit and it
• 41:54
  doesn't look that much like although he's visibly a son or
• 41:57
  he doesn't like opposite, obviously, it's the same person
• 42:01
  like it, but it's different and he doesn't know.
• 42:03
  I don't like it when I make, you know.
• 42:05
  Just stupid and that sort of like all I don't do that.
• 42:10
  What you said that, you know that issue with quite a handful.
• 42:13
  I was just thinking I have a character's where in one hand,
• 42:18
  but stupid on the other hand there a bit racist, know I have
• 42:21
  a direction is great. No, I think you just been
• 42:25
  delayed by people working quite funny because that's just like
• 42:30
  that's just like button. That's not something this.
• 42:37
  Why are they having a stupid survey of the supposedly empty
• 42:40
  planet that they want to why? so again, as Lucy said, This
• 42:46
  whole it doesn't make any sense. It's what it is.
• 42:49
  Literally one of those two part filler episodes.
• 42:51
  This is, all right. This season's edge of
• 42:54
  Destruction, you forget about being cold the admin Invasion,
• 42:59
  basically all like all ticket boxes but in boxes, if there was
• 43:04
  a doctor story called ticking boxes are all over that.
• 43:07
  And once again, they prove that you should never collaborate
• 43:13
  with the aliens because it's never going to end well for
• 43:15
  anybody. Oh, I don't know.
• 43:18
  I'm gonna bin it. Oh, it's sort of like I said,
• 43:25
  it's nasty brutish and short which would be the summer
• 43:29
  solicitors. That one day I will find.
• 43:30
  It does have a great Cliffhanger though, doesn't it?
• 43:33
  That music Dudley Simpsons right now.
• 43:39
  But yeah. Oh my God.
• 43:41
  What is everyone gonna just like this?
• 43:42
  That's why. Now, I don't know if you want to
• 43:45
  go next. I mean, what we decided is
• 43:47
  immaterial because it's three versus two, so we're gonna be
• 43:51
  five straight pins. Well, From from my perspective,
• 43:56
  definitely. it's I'm I am grateful on the one hand that we
• 44:03
  don't have another six partner because sometimes they can get
• 44:06
  Leo, get the rather themselves and become a Beyond really.
• 44:09
  But I mean, this is not a particularly engaging two part
• 44:13
  as it's two parts. But it feels for me.
• 44:15
  It's the only story. This isn't that feels so
• 44:17
  stretched thin that I'm I'm bored halfway through episode
• 44:20
  one and it feels like a slog to get through the rest of it a
• 44:26
  lot. Sorry it got the space and
• 44:38
  they're not and then this season in the episodes are very long,
• 44:40
  you know? And it's often like lots of
• 44:42
  Recaps in the episodes they're not long episode.
• 44:45
  You know this sort of all under like 25 minutes.
• 44:48
  There's a lot of money around and climbing in those 24
• 44:52
  minutes. He just think, you know, you're
• 44:54
  trying to pad out two episodes and that doesn't bode well for
• 44:57
  anybody if you're having to hide it out with people climbing up.
• 45:01
  Some money no mountains. So, so yeah.
• 45:03
  Yeah, no. I mean, I totally agree.
• 45:05
  If you having to pan out two episodes, it's a bad sign.
• 45:07
  And I normally quite like the two Powers, I like, I like both
• 45:10
  Davison two. Parters of a black orchid fan.
• 45:13
  I think one of only two in existence, but, you know, I
• 45:17
  normally quite like, the, the pace that it brings, but I don't
• 45:20
  know everything. I think, maybe, maybe there's
• 45:22
  the lack of of Tom because we've broken collarbone.
• 45:25
  They're kind of feels like there's less of an injection of
• 45:27
  energy into it, but I don't know.
• 45:29
  I, it's, I know, it's it's Rodney Bennett carrying on from
• 45:34
  Ark in space, but I think that it's nice to go outside, but I
• 45:38
  think that you Joe with any who said that you like you like
• 45:42
  sets. And I concur, I think it's
• 45:46
  basically pointless to be filming this outside, you know,
• 45:48
  contrasting it with the moodiness, the the atmosphere of
• 45:52
  the Quarry in a later Story, how amazing that looks just for that
• 45:57
  brief scene and it's all just a bit flat and a bit bright.
• 46:00
  And I would rather some kind of weed set that you could control
• 46:04
  with with atmospheric lighting and and interest in it.
• 46:08
  But yeah, it's filmed on obviously.
• 46:13
  So it does look really flat. It's like someone out of a cam
• 46:17
  called whereas he Genesis is filmed on film and that sort of
• 46:22
  gorgeous stylish if this had been done on film.
• 46:25
  I have a different opinion. Buzzing.
• 46:29
  Again, I'm gonna go back and complete complete myself.
• 46:31
  Can you imagine this seemed like, you know, the studio
• 46:33
  jungle? I think that'd be terrible.
• 46:36
  If I put it in like, you know, right Kinder jungle we put your
• 46:40
  plants about, I think, you know, in a way being outdoors.
• 46:43
  You know, it's different, which is nice, you know.
• 46:45
  So but even even with like the Genesis say that the Quarry
• 46:50
  being shot on film, I don't know.
• 46:51
  I still think that we're not getting into Genesis the Daleks
• 46:55
  but flooding it with the with with the smoke just adds a
• 46:57
  little later. There is nothing atmospheric
• 46:59
  about the filming location. Here is just a rock in the
• 47:02
  middle of a field. Oh, it doesn't look for the
• 47:05
  particularly inspired. And I agree.
• 47:09
  I think it was, it was Joe not within.
• 47:11
  He was saying about Sarah and this story.
• 47:14
  And I think that even her outfit because the yellow raincoat and
• 47:19
  Woolly hat is almost infantilizing, her a little bit
• 47:23
  in in this story. Generally, I do quite like there
• 47:27
  in the season but yeah, I just can't really get on with it.
• 47:30
  So I'm gonna sit in the bin. Oh my God, it may be a clean
• 47:35
  sweep. You know, I watched this
• 47:38
  recently but I really can't remember much about it.
• 47:41
  It just it's and that's the problem.
• 47:44
  It's there's nothing really memorable.
• 47:46
  Yes there's there's the the Cliffhanger I think Dudley
• 47:51
  Simpson his music this season he's moving away from the
• 47:55
  synthesized era which I really don't like to go into more
• 47:58
  conventional music and trying to really ratchet up the tension.
• 48:03
  I think this season got his three of his best Soundtracks
• 48:09
  instant dental schools, it's a great story for Harry.
• 48:13
  He gets to be, you know, you see him trying to to care for one of
• 48:16
  the Stars victims and then when he finds the one that died, he
• 48:22
  goes wrong murdering and grabs a stick and goes to, if they'd
• 48:26
  have thoughts about it, why didn't they get Harry to
• 48:28
  Battlestar while the doctor does the bits for the with the storms
• 48:32
  are in spaceship? What you supposed to be there,
• 48:34
  isn't it? Yeah.
• 48:41
  Like I can't really add anything that hasn't been said Stars,
• 48:45
  just unpleasant and sadistic but that's all he is.
• 48:48
  There's just to make santara and sadistic I mean I think Kevin
• 48:54
  Lindsay does make him slightly different.
• 48:57
  From links and I'm not just talking about the extra digits.
• 49:00
  Completely agree with you about Sarah, she gets to do nothing
• 49:03
  apart from Stand Out in a very Very bright, yellow pack, and,
• 49:10
  and the hat as well. I like that.
• 49:15
  I like that as well. I like it when she puts it on an
• 49:20
  arc in space of a child about Sarah I think More than this,
• 49:31
  certainly more with with, with this season and later on.
• 49:34
  And then in series 11, I think we'll see season 11, I think
• 49:38
  where she's a fully grown Mature adult and treated as such low,
• 49:44
  could I disagree with you for a second?
• 49:47
  Because I think we don't like the fact that Sarah's tortured
• 49:52
  in this story. We don't like the torch porn
• 49:53
  here, but it wouldn't impact as much as it does.
• 49:56
  If Elizabeth played wasn't as good.
• 49:59
  I selling those moments where that sludges coming up her legs,
• 50:03
  and all that. She's so good in those things.
• 50:06
  Now, that's what they're aiming for in the episode and she sells
• 50:10
  it. So it's a success on every sort
• 50:12
  of quantifier level. Yeah, we just don't like it but
• 50:16
  she is crying. That's That's what that's what
• 50:19
  Barry Letts said about why he chose her, because she could
• 50:22
  show fear. And bravery, all in all in one
• 50:25
  go. And either way she she screams
• 50:27
  murderer at steyer, he's holding a gun for goodness sake.
• 50:31
  He could have just turned around and shot her, but she stands up
• 50:33
  to him for killing Roth or whatever his name is apart from
• 50:38
  the fact that this episode's mentioned in Michael Palin's
• 50:41
  Diaries. I don't think there's a lot else
• 50:43
  I can think of, that's interesting.
• 50:45
  I mean, yes, it looks good. if you like, The sequences on
• 50:52
  Dartmoor. I think if they'd have had a
• 50:54
  smoke machine or maybe sort of Made it look a bit darker.
• 50:58
  I mean, it's pouring with rain, isn't it?
• 51:01
  You can see in a lot of scenes, it's just there, it's not bad.
• 51:05
  It's just there, isn't it? So, Yeah let's bend it.
• 51:09
  You know what the location where it reminds me of that.
• 51:13
  Daniel the last time you talked on the strictly I believe it was
• 51:17
  season 26. There are Mars me that location
• 51:19
  working curse of been Rick, which is also extremely not
• 51:22
  atmospheric because a shot. Yes, And and during the daytime
• 51:27
  and with bright Sunshine. Yeah, and we've sort of obvious,
• 51:29
  right? And all the same reasons I think
• 51:32
  the other thing is as well, is that it's supposed to be a
• 51:35
  deserted Earth. But more land is not generally
• 51:39
  very popular as anyway. So what you get is an impression
• 51:43
  instead of getting an impression of a place where people were and
• 51:47
  should have been and Aunt anymore, I'm not saying they
• 51:51
  should have done it in a deserted City or something like
• 51:53
  that. But you don't get, I don't get
• 51:55
  any way some. What I get the sense of is a
• 51:58
  very small cast in a very big area and and looking like tiny
• 52:01
  little people and whereas if you had something even just a tiny
• 52:05
  thing that reflected the fact that it had been populated and
• 52:08
  wasn't anymore. That might have worked a bit
• 52:10
  better but I don't know. I'm telling a different story
• 52:13
  but think of those opening scene of invasion of the dinosaurs,
• 52:16
  you know, with that empty City that just impacts, doesn't it
• 52:20
  because even even a decade early convention Earth, you know, like
• 52:25
  Yeah we've been my dad's family come from around there so you
• 52:30
  better than they're walking on the courts is a lot of shorts.
• 52:32
  You know. Just think you know I'll be our
• 52:42
  final word on this is now it's called Walking on the shows.
• 52:48
  Yeah. There are lots of short British
• 52:51
  people in heaven and I'm related to most of them.
• 52:55
  Okay, so that's well. First story straight in the bin
• 52:59
  who would like to who would like to our Second Story.
• 53:01
  Oh I will. I chose someone.
• 53:03
  Go on and Joe. I'm gonna Champion mobile.
• 53:07
  I'm sure you've got the right man to look after him.
• 53:09
  Young Sullivan. Oh, he's very fine job.
• 53:11
  First class doctor seems a bit old-fashioned.
• 53:14
  Nothing wrong with that Mr. Smith Okay, this conflicts with
• 53:28
  my prime directive. Okay?
• 53:33
  So you know, it's the last one of the last two last few units,
• 53:39
  which is really in because we love, you know, and it's nice to
• 53:43
  see them there. This good.
• 53:45
  This is, this is almost. This is almost sitcom.
• 53:49
  You could put a lot of track on this and it would be perfect.
• 53:52
  I mean it has musical stings which do not.
• 53:55
  Anyway, it could be a sick on if you like, you know.
• 53:58
  Fairly secret army. You know you got all the funny
• 54:01
  fashions. We have the fascist Deirdre
• 54:12
  ball. I would Miss Winters.
• 54:14
  I mean, she's probably bloody horrible, isn't she?
• 54:17
  And, you know, she's horrible because even the bloody
• 54:20
  Brigadier, even the big idea hates up.
• 54:23
  It isn't dangerous, is it? Of course, not.
• 54:27
  Why should it be? Well, it just struck me.
• 54:29
  That it could be a very powerful weapon if it got into the wrong
• 54:31
  hands. It could be misused.
• 54:34
  Like this, you mean? This girl is an intruder.
• 54:40
  And the Spy. She must not leave here alive.
• 54:47
  Troy her, she's bloody horrible. she's crying and I and then it's
• 54:56
  got, its got Its pink marigolds which is just very cool.
• 55:01
  It's got kettlebell and he's incredible hair.
• 55:06
  Oh, she's been competent, *** poop.
• 55:10
  Exactly. It's got, you know, it's the
• 55:13
  start of Nazis in bunkers, which is always good as well, because
• 55:16
  that's gonna be a theme for the series.
• 55:18
  It's got the best sign ever. When they go into the robot
• 55:21
  thing and there's a son and daughter says positively no
• 55:24
  admittance, which just makes me laugh. it makes me laugh so much
• 55:29
  because you could show it just, I love the fact that we have, so
• 55:34
  we're being compassion. I know it's a whole King Kong
• 55:37
  thing, you know, where she's five and came along skin called,
• 55:40
  but shows, you know, her compassion for robot, she starts
• 55:44
  off. Okay, one she ends up in K9
• 55:46
  coincidence. Benson gets the promotion.
• 55:50
  Yeah. You'll get here finally bench
• 55:57
  and gets promoted which is brilliant.
• 55:59
  We just discovered the big deal to swinger where we've all
• 56:02
  thought about. I do it.
• 56:05
  Not in that sense, though. Well, what place was Somebody
• 56:11
  explain this to me? One of the episodes ago it goes
• 56:15
  up. She goes, she says how she
• 56:17
  thinks? Harry's Old Fashioned and he
• 56:19
  goes, oh no. A bit official myself.
• 56:21
  No, big deal. You're a swinger.
• 56:22
  Oh, There's Hope for me. Yes, towards the start of part
• 56:26
  one, I think. Yeah.
• 56:28
  I think she's talking in the sense that you're thinking, Joe.
• 56:31
  I know. Well, maybe, I don't know.
• 56:34
  Dream, both of you. You know, there are negatives.
• 56:38
  So it's just like, think tank as we typical with the invasion of
• 56:43
  dinosaur. Lots.
• 56:44
  Think of bloody useless and they're really, they're, like,
• 56:46
  reform the basically hanging loads of fascist hanging out in
• 56:49
  the Village Hall. they want to start a nuclear war and I have a
• 56:54
  check if they've got enough blue roles in the bunker which is
• 56:56
  just You know, if I was planning on taking over the world.
• 57:03
  So the fact that there's one person in Doctor Who has my
• 57:07
  surname in his bloody useless fascist, which really annoys the
• 57:11
  hell of me. He's that ridiculous, man, he
• 57:14
  stops it goes to sit at the table and his name is short and
• 57:17
  noises me. Um, you know, like it's that
• 57:21
  fella from invasion of the dinosaur who's house.
• 57:24
  Fanatical. What information?
• 57:29
  That's a journey. He is the terrible before he
• 57:34
  understood the Doctor Who he's got from being mad libs.
• 57:40
  Good. So we had such a terrible time
• 57:46
  in the demons. It's totally to a fascist as
• 57:48
  well. It's a dolly.
• 57:52
  He goes, he does right. Also, the chance, the chances of
• 57:56
  Miss Winters, Jellico and keter, will repopulate.
• 57:59
  The earth is the three lessons. Possibly unless I've got you
• 58:06
  know artificial insemination gun.
• 58:07
  The idea that's skipped into the future though just to see why
• 58:13
  might have looked like. No that's ridiculous.
• 58:19
  It's got a tiny tank which is not as bad as I must.
• 58:28
  Say it's a hangover you know, it could have been a poetry which
• 58:33
  is no bad thing but it's enjoyable.
• 58:36
  It's a fun story hits the floor running and I believe this
• 58:42
  wasn't the you know the he just hit the floor running you know.
• 58:44
  He just goes like underdogs and now.
• 58:48
  You know and it's enjoyable nonsense.
• 58:51
  So I say keep it Because we could do with some enjoyable
• 58:55
  notes and allies after, you know, you championed you know,
• 58:59
  such things as a Time, monster and time lash, I'm Fraser
• 59:05
  Gregory. You are no longer the champion
• 59:06
  to the ground and Ricky's title belt off him and he's getting
• 59:16
  very excited this right now, you know, right?
• 59:21
  Should we go to the comments? Ed best story of the Season
• 59:25
  hands down? James hadwin Bennett says a
• 59:30
  story about science that relies on Magic for the conclusion to
• 59:33
  make any sense. If they kept the robot nominal
• 59:36
  size, all the time, it would have been so much better.
• 59:38
  The doctor physically, assaults Harry, but no one seems to care
• 59:41
  unlike into Windows 11. However, Sarah actually does
• 59:44
  journalism and Harry is steed. Saves the story from the bin,
• 59:48
  And its themes are all still relevant.
• 59:50
  So keep I never thought about that.
• 59:54
  Actually he does physically. It's all Harry in this.
• 59:57
  He does he before. Why is that?
• 1:00:05
  Okay? That's not okay.
• 1:00:07
  Wow. Okay.
• 1:00:08
  He's about Well, it might is the moment where he finds him in the
• 1:00:13
  cupboard. So yeah.
• 1:00:14
  I think the skipping the edge of it.
• 1:00:20
  Maybe. Oh yeah.
• 1:00:21
  Maybe if he attacked period and amusing way we'd be like oh well
• 1:00:26
  just like chicken or something. Yeah, some kids toy you know
• 1:00:33
  listens you know. Yeah but it might be completely
• 1:00:39
  insane but that's a good point. It is Karen Evans.
• 1:00:43
  Enjoyable, even if it's a bit messy and silly, Matt Foy fun
• 1:00:49
  romp watching Tom duper we slash unit and so I think that's a
• 1:00:53
  different story shortly. Uncle Terry, do they not be able
• 1:00:56
  to do a giant robot convincingly?
• 1:00:57
  Oh man John Poe wolf. Okay.
• 1:01:01
  Sorry. Please open lens.
• 1:01:04
  Fitzgerald apart from the action man.
• 1:01:05
  Tank robot is a great 70s. ROM never will that design of
• 1:01:09
  the robot be better. It's almost classic 50s sci-fi
• 1:01:12
  movie Material a bit of unit and Bessie thrown in for into for a
• 1:01:18
  good season. No, ignore the film Crews
• 1:01:20
  reflection in the window and it's a good watch.
• 1:01:23
  Which window I've never know. Just a lot of Windows in here,
• 1:01:27
  isn't it? Besties to go back and watch it
• 1:01:33
  now find reflection? Yeah, look at a rude out, next.
• 1:01:37
  Oh boy. Paul Quinn says we're coming for
• 1:01:42
  you dicks. Ripping off basic elements of
• 1:01:45
  our characters and giving them to your sentient.
• 1:01:47
  But ultimately lethal and lovesick Metal Man, bonus points
• 1:01:51
  for his lovely voice. Take the metal Mickey and twiki
• 1:01:55
  you disco shit cans. He also say that that tweet was
• 1:02:00
  Illustrated with pictures of King Kong and Frankenstein's
• 1:02:02
  monster to, it was so they're the ones that are coming for
• 1:02:06
  parents and for ripping off their stories.
• 1:02:09
  Yeah, we can go and buy themselves.
• 1:02:22
  Yeah, we haven't. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:24
  Sorry, right. We're oh yeah Tim Carter a
• 1:02:30
  gentle open to the season standard unit standard unit fair
• 1:02:33
  but his elevated by the contrast with the new Doctor Tom grabs
• 1:02:36
  the part by the Scruff of the neck with a perfect mix of
• 1:02:39
  serious and humor. And the robot is robot is
• 1:02:41
  magnificent despite the dodgy see.
• 1:02:43
  So keep Clifford says an otherwise completely Peart.
• 1:02:48
  We eventually with Tom at the center completely changing it.
• 1:02:51
  Deep breath took the same ideas. That didn't do it as well.
• 1:02:57
  Andy Parkinson, very much, a remnant of the let's dicks era
• 1:03:01
  it nonetheless allows Tom's shine allowing us showing us the
• 1:03:05
  qualities that he will bring his relationship with this lady is
• 1:03:07
  instantaneous. And while the story isn't
• 1:03:10
  amazing, it this definitely gets us off to a good start.
• 1:03:12
  Keep it. Mad Paddington kettlewell is a
• 1:03:17
  Fabio type played beautifully, Sarah and Harry are off to a
• 1:03:20
  lovely Star as a pair and Tom Scoops up all that with Tom
• 1:03:24
  Scoops up. Scoops us all up with that
• 1:03:27
  smile. It's like a cow catcher that
• 1:03:30
  seen with Harry and the doctor skipping is a particular joy.
• 1:03:32
  For me, how he didn't have to skip to.
• 1:03:34
  He just panicked at the moment and it's gorgeous and A really
• 1:03:37
  lovely, not quite breakup story for the doctoring unit, but it
• 1:03:40
  plants the seeds to say that they've just Grown Apart and
• 1:03:43
  things are going to change. Keep That's a great job, man.
• 1:03:48
  Small like a cow culture. I love it.
• 1:03:50
  Luke seems Jenkins, I'm not huge on robot.
• 1:03:53
  It's a lane perfectly run around Thomas, great in it though.
• 1:03:55
  And makes it interesting. He hits the ground running but I
• 1:03:58
  tend just to skip this and go straight into Arc.
• 1:04:01
  He really hates poor way, though.
• 1:04:03
  He hates Fire, full cresses a great start.
• 1:04:06
  For Tom, even though is odd seeing him in.
• 1:04:08
  What is basically a perk we story and I don't think the OB
• 1:04:11
  filming Works in its favor, however, it isn't one.
• 1:04:14
  I go back to very often when I do, I always better than I
• 1:04:18
  remember, but at this point, I can't remember why.
• 1:04:21
  You were talking about the OB film work for Santana so I don't
• 1:04:23
  think that's true. I think it does work for robot.
• 1:04:25
  I think robot feels very stylish in comparison.
• 1:04:29
  It's a different sort of. It's a different thing though,
• 1:04:31
  isn't it? Because what, oh, the Obi in
• 1:04:34
  experiment doesn't necessarily work because it's not conveying
• 1:04:40
  the atmosphere that he's needed for it.
• 1:04:43
  Whereas robot is a lot more domestic.
• 1:04:46
  So not more colorful. Just in the sunshine, you've got
• 1:04:50
  here. He doesn't matter.
• 1:04:54
  Of it seems a lot brighter. You know, sometimes seems very
• 1:04:59
  well, I know, it sit on, like, more than mocks and everything,
• 1:05:02
  but it seems very flat. You know, that's, you know, a
• 1:05:06
  robot seems always something much more highly defined that
• 1:05:10
  giant robot in film work. I mean, Jesus Christ, you
• 1:05:14
  wouldn't be able to see the shine anyway, and Jason
• 1:05:16
  Thompson. Robot gives us a new doctor in a
• 1:05:18
  familiar setting, and quickly establishes that this one
• 1:05:21
  doesn't fit as well. As the last one did, Tom is
• 1:05:24
  wonderful, bringing huge energy to the X interests of the new
• 1:05:28
  doctor, but being deadly serious.
• 1:05:30
  When the situation requires it, the robot looks.
• 1:05:33
  Damn good. Yes, we have to ignore the Sarah
• 1:05:35
  doll and the toy tank, but their seconds of screen time and mykal
• 1:05:39
  Kilgore plays it. Well, you really feel sorry for
• 1:05:41
  the robot when it comes to kettlebell confused and begging
• 1:05:44
  for its help help from its creator.
• 1:05:46
  Keep James Lark, although robot is an anomaly it's a solid code
• 1:05:51
  to the. Let's Dick's era free from the
• 1:05:53
  baggage. Started to weigh them down
• 1:05:55
  completely sold by the energy Baker, brings and his instant
• 1:05:59
  rapport with Slade and Martyr and indeed, Courtney.
• 1:06:01
  Glad it didn't carry on like this though.
• 1:06:03
  John Arnold robot is a neat introduction for the new
• 1:06:06
  doctrine. A climate, the audience used to
• 1:06:08
  the trappings of the part. We use the threat of Think Tank,
• 1:06:11
  the people who consider themselves smarter than everyone
• 1:06:14
  else. And so should be running
• 1:06:15
  everything remains relevant idea to this day.
• 1:06:18
  And the Carol says, robot is a good start Bitcoin only, but K1
• 1:06:24
  is good and Sarah has lots of agency subtle villains and
• 1:06:27
  Action, Man action. Charlie Barnes a poetry
• 1:06:30
  adventure with a difficult with a different doctor was a smart
• 1:06:33
  move, reassuring viewers that while he looks different.
• 1:06:36
  He still the same man. Paul Smythe says, such a
• 1:06:39
  confident debut for the new doctor that the robot looks
• 1:06:42
  cool. Winter's is a great villain,
• 1:06:43
  Sarah's doll substitute and the model tank are impressing.
• 1:06:46
  But this is great. David Gillespie Pratt.
• 1:06:49
  The twin dilemma gets dragged for being the cheapest story
• 1:06:51
  recorded at the end of production year with a tide a
• 1:06:54
  clearly tied and spent production team.
• 1:06:55
  The same criticism could be level.
• 1:06:57
  That robot is a tard wobbly classic production and could
• 1:07:01
  have killed the new doctor off before he started.
• 1:07:03
  I mean, David. You've got entire sequences of
• 1:07:09
  an army fully armed like there's a shit ton of location.
• 1:07:14
  What? I don't think you could say.
• 1:07:16
  This is a tired production. There's a ton of energy there.
• 1:07:20
  Certainly a lot of money on the screen as well.
• 1:07:23
  But it's all those bullets flying around and nobody gets
• 1:07:25
  shot. No, that's Yeah, they just
• 1:07:29
  remember the 18. No died in the 80.
• 1:07:33
  Oh boy. But there was a great
• 1:07:41
  explosions. Oh yeah, love and explosion.
• 1:07:43
  Yeah. Oscar Groucho says King Kong
• 1:07:47
  sketched on the back of a sick packet by warning. and it's
• 1:07:53
  brilliant, bold Brave, according to the previous era by
• 1:07:56
  contrasting, our new lead in a familiar Milo, He was a good
• 1:08:17
  enough for a generation story to introduce us to the teeth, and
• 1:08:20
  kills, the King Kong stuff isn't too cliche and the general
• 1:08:23
  premises, okay? But it's clear that units time
• 1:08:26
  has been and gone. Room and the potential.
• 1:08:31
  Potential American mad man. Big Orange.
• 1:08:33
  Michael says, Tom Baker sees the role from his first scenes and
• 1:08:38
  never lets up Baker is the big selling point of this story
• 1:08:41
  which runs out of steam by halfway through episode 4, but I
• 1:08:44
  was having so much fun I didn't really worry.
• 1:08:46
  Target novel was great to keep it.
• 1:08:50
  And include you love the way that Tom Baker's head comes out
• 1:08:53
  the O and the target novel. Yes, very funny.
• 1:08:57
  Yeah. Finally, Michael storm a solid.
• 1:09:01
  If unremarkable story to launch the full stops, her wisely
• 1:09:04
  unclear and highlights the Unison to the doctor, by putting
• 1:09:06
  him in the familiar settings, that giving him an Avengers plot
• 1:09:09
  to deal. With is old, we are consisted
• 1:09:11
  based on an episode that they wrote that he wrote with Mac,
• 1:09:14
  Hulk called the Mauritius. I think the robot looks great
• 1:09:18
  and so it moves and starts cranking all the time.
• 1:09:20
  Yeah, the action figure version can't stand up either, Winters
• 1:09:25
  is a great cold calculating villain.
• 1:09:27
  Sarah is used very well in this story, Harry, not so much
• 1:09:31
  because it considering, it is his story.
• 1:09:33
  Unfortunately, the whole giant robot element feels very much,
• 1:09:36
  like it is tacked on to fill up the runtime, keep having.
• 1:09:40
  You could always count on Michael storm to miss the point,
• 1:09:42
  can't you? I mean that robot is so
• 1:09:44
  fabulous. Why would you take that out?
• 1:09:48
  Yeah. I mean it stands on whole loads
• 1:09:50
  of units soldiers because I kicked the side of building.
• 1:09:54
  Oh, Michael. Come watch Nightmare and silver
• 1:09:56
  again. As a punishment and Joe, you,
• 1:10:01
  you were quite vocal. And you want to carry on Joe,
• 1:10:05
  with the knee. And usually, yes.
• 1:10:07
  Oh, I love robot. I just love it.
• 1:10:10
  I think it's the most entertaining story of the Year,
• 1:10:14
  by a country mile. I think there's there's good
• 1:10:16
  stuff elsewhere, but this is really fun.
• 1:10:19
  And when I said earlier about Elisabeth sladen, being vital,
• 1:10:23
  which I mean, she is Goldust in this if she was something there,
• 1:10:27
  that would just be, you know, I mean, it is a four middle
• 1:10:31
  costume, but when he starts moving is fucking ridiculous.
• 1:10:34
  He has to get help down the stairs by forgot.
• 1:10:36
  Come along now. Oh, dear down the stairs.
• 1:10:39
  He's supposed to be this scary robot but she is the bit in the
• 1:10:42
  village. Yeah, but the village hall is
• 1:10:47
  coming off the stage at least. It's like the Canine Cuts isn't
• 1:10:54
  it? Know, I just I know it's like
• 1:10:57
  just couldn't go to say well, he's down but she personifies
• 1:11:02
  that robot. Like she literally makes that
• 1:11:04
  robot into a person by treating it the way she does.
• 1:11:07
  The people she says that was a really cruel thing to do, you
• 1:11:11
  know, are you okay? And let's say the right, you
• 1:11:14
  don't have to be this good, she doesn't have to give this wonky
• 1:11:16
  material this level of sentiment and commitment.
• 1:11:20
  She is so great. It's a shame at the end.
• 1:11:22
  She's on that CSO rooftop guy down.
• 1:11:27
  Oh, she is fight right at that point.
• 1:11:29
  She's wonderful good and I love as well.
• 1:11:32
  Everyone that said about she's sort of her characterization,
• 1:11:36
  goes in the wrong direction. The first half of this story,
• 1:11:38
  she's investigating. She's the one that is literally
• 1:11:41
  driving the story. I think she's wonderful, good in
• 1:11:44
  this. All, I know she does look like a
• 1:11:46
  young Ms. Marple, they put her in a very sort of flower dress
• 1:11:50
  and I think Sarah Sutton and Janet building comment on it on
• 1:11:53
  the the more costumes in in one story.
• 1:12:01
  Then she get them, they get in, you know, two or three seasons
• 1:12:04
  somehow even better than Elizabeth slate and know is our
• 1:12:08
  Miss Winters. Um, and her fabulous, scientific
• 1:12:13
  New Order. I mean, it's it's a Nazi
• 1:12:17
  dictator as Lucy, said, sorry? As Joe said, in dietary Barlow
• 1:12:21
  glasses, Robot. We shall seek out and Destroy
• 1:12:29
  seek out. And Destroy, and we don't have
• 1:12:38
  enough insane. Women in Doctor, Who do we?
• 1:12:41
  She is great. So, I think, yeah, you got a
• 1:12:44
  great companion here, you got a great villain here.
• 1:12:46
  And when they go to get against each other about bit in episode
• 1:12:49
  2, where she goes, what this woman is a and enemy of the
• 1:12:54
  United Kingdom kill her. That's a really tense moment.
• 1:12:57
  But I think as well, terrorists, just make sure that this this
• 1:13:02
  story is packed full of where there are so many memorable
• 1:13:06
  lines in this. And because the sort like sitcom
• 1:13:10
  dialogue, the pace of this thing never lets up, and there's so
• 1:13:13
  much back and forth him And it's full of quirky and fun
• 1:13:17
  characters. I just love watching our door
• 1:13:19
  keter. Well it is the best Nutty
• 1:13:21
  Professor we ever had in Doctor Who, but the doctors funny in
• 1:13:25
  this as well, the Brigadier gets loads of great lines.
• 1:13:27
  Harry does isn't there as much as you think?
• 1:13:30
  He is actually, is there at the start and is there at the end
• 1:13:32
  but what he does get to do is great.
• 1:13:34
  I would like to have seen a bit more of his John Steed in Think
• 1:13:38
  Tank, I think, because we don't really have the time.
• 1:13:40
  We don't do that. So this is terrific fun.
• 1:13:44
  Robot it is a hangover. It is old because having Tom's
• 1:13:50
  energy in there. With a unit story means it's a
• 1:13:53
  total outlier to the era was just gone.
• 1:13:56
  But as a one-off it's quirky and it's Pacey and I just love
• 1:14:02
  watching it. Yeah, please.
• 1:14:03
  When second vote for robot is my, is my memory deceiving me,
• 1:14:08
  what they thought meant to book in the season.
• 1:14:10
  With units, stories wasn't Terror of the zygons originally
• 1:14:12
  supposed to be the end for 12. So I yeah, it maybe feels more
• 1:14:17
  like an outlier because he only intros, which is so little
• 1:14:22
  because terrorism is a throwback to like season 7 unit where it's
• 1:14:26
  very serious and graphic and a little bit Clinic called it's
• 1:14:32
  fun though and that giant robot oh that's CSR.
• 1:14:35
  I mean it's Pony in it. It's wonderful whole last
• 1:14:39
  episode I mean the Brigade is such a stupid car in a Oh I
• 1:14:43
  think I want to do. Oh whoops, I've made him.
• 1:14:47
  Absolutely massive. I mean anyway except the Brigade
• 1:14:50
  is character has been assassinated was right.
• 1:14:52
  Hey no, no, no, no. They were supposed to be this
• 1:14:56
  integrated Grant gun, he didn't know it was gonna turn it into a
• 1:15:01
  bloody massive robot and give you unit private that got
• 1:15:11
  squashed by the robots mother. I'm so sorry.
• 1:15:14
  I didn't read the instructions on the disintegrated garden and
• 1:15:17
  your son was crushed by the giant robots Force, but it was a
• 1:15:22
  mistake. Anyone could have made, love
• 1:15:24
  Alastair, Gordon Leftwich Family.
• 1:15:55
  Unfortunately, an evil scheming Mastermind called the master for
• 1:16:02
  an enormous. White buttery guard on a string
• 1:16:05
  out of a crystal and your private son.
• 1:16:08
  Just happened to be in the way. Regards Alistair Gordon lipid
• 1:16:12
  Stewart. I mean, I could write the
• 1:16:14
  letters. Sorry since you've been gone,
• 1:16:16
  we've just been right? And let us home to all the unit
• 1:16:18
  Personnel that have been murdered on the Brigadier.
• 1:16:20
  Yes, I think there is an annual. It was one of the annuals that
• 1:16:24
  was covered by the track one crew.
• 1:16:26
  Where the, in the back of it, there's a section of letters
• 1:16:30
  written by the Brigadier to Geneva trying to explain the
• 1:16:34
  yes. Trying to explain the funding
• 1:16:36
  the bizarre funding requests that go It's a little bit.
• 1:16:41
  There's lots of things by the bigger days as well.
• 1:16:49
  Yes. And so, I think this world comes
• 1:16:59
  with my son, when he was, however, accidentally
• 1:17:11
  responsible for growing the giant robot, Let's move on.
• 1:17:18
  Let's move on. Elliot, would you like to?
• 1:17:23
  Champion or condemn robots. I would absolutely be honored to
• 1:17:28
  Champion road. Yeah, so I had, this is, as I
• 1:17:34
  said towards the start, this is probably my first proper classic
• 1:17:37
  Doctor Who story? Um, I just, I just think it's
• 1:17:41
  absolutely magical. I I feel very mixed and this is
• 1:17:45
  not an I'll give them that. I want to start now, but I feel
• 1:17:47
  very mixed on on a lot of the third doctors tenure and the
• 1:17:52
  stuff with unit, but it's really nice to get them to get them
• 1:17:56
  back here and for it to be injected with a, with a fresh
• 1:17:59
  shot of energy from Tom. And I mean is just hilarious.
• 1:18:06
  He's I think it was it was you over the day?
• 1:18:08
  Saying it's kind of feels just like a sitcom there are jokes
• 1:18:12
  about and I think all of them here but probably all of my
• 1:18:16
  favorite lines from this entire season.
• 1:18:18
  Probably will come from this story.
• 1:18:19
  Have you got some written down? Come on.
• 1:18:21
  Oh I've got I've got 100 personal favorite one that
• 1:18:24
  always sticks out to me though, is I don't like impregnable.
• 1:18:26
  Sounds a little bit like on syncable.
• 1:18:28
  What's wrong with Unsinkable nothing?
• 1:18:30
  As the iceberg said to the Titanic.
• 1:18:31
  Look look, it's it's absolutely fantastic.
• 1:18:37
  But in the Up, it comes out and he goes, he's wearing that
• 1:18:42
  ridiculous spike in costume unit is supposed to be a scientific,
• 1:18:46
  a miniature organization. Do you think I might attract
• 1:18:50
  attention? It's just possible.
• 1:18:51
  Yes, just possible. Yes.
• 1:18:53
  And that's the reason why he comes out and they both just go
• 1:18:57
  Yeah, that's the second best is the second best bigger Day gift
• 1:19:02
  isn't a because we got lifts his favorite one.
• 1:19:05
  Oh yeah. Just I it's I think it's a story
• 1:19:14
  that maybe if I was less willing to have Camp fun that you could
• 1:19:18
  pick full of holes. But I I just enjoy it so much.
• 1:19:21
  The design of the K1 robot, I do think he's genuinely very
• 1:19:25
  impressive. And he is Tron, D and wobbling
• 1:19:29
  and it's, it definitely looks like it can't stand up on it.
• 1:19:34
  So and as the action figure proved, but it still is an
• 1:19:39
  incredible piece of design. I think I love the POV shots
• 1:19:42
  from the K1 robot. I think that is a real good bit
• 1:19:44
  of the effects work. I think that looks absolutely
• 1:19:48
  fantastic and write music as well.
• 1:19:50
  Yes, and it's really, it was very shots.
• 1:19:56
  I think um, And I love Harry Sullivan just as a character in
• 1:20:02
  general. Ian Master is so full of charm
• 1:20:04
  and he could have liked that. He's in the beginning then sort
• 1:20:07
  of at the end but I'd love Like yeah, I love his introduction.
• 1:20:11
  It's brilliant to the ABC's, Sarah, Jane, doing investigative
• 1:20:17
  journalism in this and then Say, kind of maybe loses the right of
• 1:20:21
  itself by having to make a favor.
• 1:20:22
  But I think the first couple episodes of this are really
• 1:20:25
  strong because of Sarah, Jane. And I also, as well would like
• 1:20:29
  to. Well, I might have some
• 1:20:30
  criticisms of where they take Sarah's character, but none of
• 1:20:32
  its ever criticism of Elizabeth slayton's acting ability, she's
• 1:20:35
  always incredible. Um, And as well Joe without any,
• 1:20:43
  I did all. So make a big note that just
• 1:20:45
  says the Brigadier is a swinger because that did stick out to be
• 1:20:49
  um no I yeah I just think it's it's great fun and I want to
• 1:20:57
  keep it. A couple of Elliot you know
• 1:20:59
  police boxes don't go career in about all over the place.
• 1:21:04
  There's there's all those it's all those remarks about women's
• 1:21:07
  lib in the middle of it. Which will start to get a bit.
• 1:21:10
  So start to get a bit strange. But yeah.
• 1:21:13
  It's I love the weather and say return to Harry and just so
• 1:21:23
  great today. He's He and Martha has the most
• 1:21:27
  beautiful eyes. I have to, you know, on a purely
• 1:21:29
  technical level, he's got gorgeous eyes, I could look at
• 1:21:32
  those eyes all day. What beautiful man.
• 1:21:34
  He was like, regardless of what we might have said.
• 1:21:37
  It's a great team, isn't it? Yes, that's a brilliant
• 1:21:41
  artistic. I I think it's a shame that they
• 1:21:44
  kind of yeah, decide that they don't need a martyr because he
• 1:21:46
  does really, I think contribute to the team and I love having
• 1:21:50
  him around. I think this this story, though,
• 1:21:52
  I mean, mean, you Joe with an E have spoken previously about how
• 1:21:56
  doctors are ashamed of their show being fun?
• 1:21:59
  Yeah, this is not the story. You'd want to show to someone to
• 1:22:01
  be like, oh, this is Doctor Who, but sometimes you just, you
• 1:22:05
  gotta have fun, there's nothing wrong with it.
• 1:22:07
  But when the K1 robot gets the, there's a gun in his arm and
• 1:22:11
  it's just flailing around that. Can't Point straight.
• 1:22:14
  You never go to shoot anybody with it.
• 1:22:15
  But that's all part of the charm.
• 1:22:17
  I think it looks happy but it's not something she has to do
• 1:22:24
  that, sort of like, you know, And I think this one great
• 1:22:32
  moment though where he smacks Tom Baker on the, hey, on the,
• 1:22:35
  you know, release when he swings around.
• 1:22:37
  Hey, this series does not ever been knocked out, so much in one
• 1:22:45
  series and bashed about every single.
• 1:22:49
  Story. That's too big for your boats,
• 1:22:53
  Tom. All right, don't you know if you
• 1:22:56
  know actually can do it, it's time.
• 1:22:58
  They could do, you know coach, you just go.
• 1:22:59
  Hey, and just stop over. He does get knocked about.
• 1:23:02
  So, why actually can you imagine poach?
• 1:23:05
  We doing this for Newton Aikido against the robot would be.
• 1:23:09
  That was a bit embarrassing. Hi, sorry.
• 1:23:12
  Anyway, please make your point. I just wanted to say that.
• 1:23:18
  I also think, I think the sea, the CSO descendants.
• 1:23:21
  A great question of the robot at the end is, is quite quite
• 1:23:24
  beautiful and maybe Rivals the deflation of the sontara.
• 1:23:27
  And for me, for sort of affected in this series, I really like
• 1:23:30
  it. It's really trippy and really
• 1:23:31
  weird. It's going.
• 1:23:34
  Oh, definitely keep for me. Yes, that's right.
• 1:23:42
  That's three keeps Lucy. Would you like to go, thanks.
• 1:23:46
  yeah, next and I will keep you. For me, Sarah's outfits.
• 1:23:54
  Are just frankly, bizarre from this point onwards, And I know
• 1:23:59
  there may be that her Brown trouser suit was not quite so
• 1:24:03
  interesting and it's nice that she gets changes of clothes but
• 1:24:06
  the whole kind of cloche hat twin set and Pearls look on a
• 1:24:11
  young woman in the 1970s, he's really strange.
• 1:24:13
  It's really 1920s Flappers and it was actually an episode of
• 1:24:21
  quarrels or something. Yeah, she looks like Hyacinth
• 1:24:25
  bouquet. I love it.
• 1:24:27
  What are you talking about? She's I think around Fashion.
• 1:24:31
  Yeah. She's wearing like you know
• 1:24:34
  leather jackets and stuff and looking really sort of like you
• 1:24:38
  know she justifies that doesn't she says that because she's sort
• 1:24:41
  of getting into the time travel going to different places she
• 1:24:44
  sort of relaxing a design style. Well anyway whatever Stress that
• 1:24:49
  she wears there was well, but with it flowers or licorice,
• 1:24:53
  also, the one that they should wasn't in the park, right?
• 1:24:58
  You're not looking as well. That's what it is.
• 1:25:01
  Yeah. Very sort of my grandmother was
• 1:25:04
  something like that low. So you should never brought us
• 1:25:07
  up, who was doing the course. He was deciding on the costumes
• 1:25:12
  at that point and were they male.
• 1:25:13
  It's Jim Ashton isn't. It is a man.
• 1:25:16
  Yeah, yeah, I yeah. I like toms, instant impact as
• 1:25:21
  the doctor and a different doctor, completely different
• 1:25:24
  person. The East fun, it's tremendous
• 1:25:28
  fun. The funds slightly makes unit
• 1:25:31
  less capable not that they're terribly capable at the best of
• 1:25:35
  times, but it is, it is kind of, you know, it's like oh that
• 1:25:38
  thing you really enjoyed. Yes, rubbish.
• 1:25:41
  So if you, if you were invested in the previous seasons and then
• 1:25:46
  suddenly there's this new clever boy comes into the class and
• 1:25:48
  just points out that all the things that you enjoyed were a
• 1:25:51
  bit shit. Really, and you should like this
• 1:25:52
  new cool stuff. I do love the robot.
• 1:25:55
  I love the designer of what. I love the way it looks.
• 1:25:57
  It's very kind of, he's very classic sort of probably the
• 1:26:01
  robot or the robot in Forbidden Planet and that works.
• 1:26:06
  Well, particularly the Dome head with the sort of almost like
• 1:26:09
  stained glass effect and the voice is great.
• 1:26:13
  I love the doctors dimensionally transcendental pockets.
• 1:26:17
  That he's, he's a becoming a magician, isn't he?
• 1:26:20
  In this story? And and the fact that, that
• 1:26:25
  joke, then pays off later or on, because whenever he's asked,
• 1:26:28
  he's Pockets, you know what's going to happen.
• 1:26:31
  Now, he will produce a yoyo and a stuffed bird and a goodness.
• 1:26:36
  Knows what else. All this stuff will come out.
• 1:26:38
  So when that joke hits again later on, you ready for it?
• 1:26:41
  Because you know what's going to happen, just remember what he
• 1:26:45
  spills all of his pockets. So when when you get to Genesis,
• 1:26:48
  you've been like you Empty your pockets.
• 1:26:56
  Okay. Um, so yeah, I like those
• 1:26:59
  aspects of it. I must admit when I first
• 1:27:01
  watched it, I thought the tank was meant to be miniature.
• 1:27:03
  I didn't realize it was supposed to be big because it's so
• 1:27:06
  obviously my brother's Action Man tank.
• 1:27:09
  And that was a bit weird. So, yeah, there are things that
• 1:27:13
  kind of don't don't quite heat for me.
• 1:27:15
  The other thing is that the think tank people, the think
• 1:27:18
  tank, people are the people who the Conspiracy theorists think
• 1:27:23
  are running the world and they really not.
• 1:27:27
  Because I've heard people saying about these secret, you know,
• 1:27:30
  these secret scientists that are running this thing.
• 1:27:33
  No, they're not. And if they were, they'd be just
• 1:27:34
  as this lot. Yeah, so the King Kong angle is
• 1:27:40
  fine with a robot on other other things have been done with with
• 1:27:44
  the robot aspect. Forbidden Planet was the Tempest
• 1:27:48
  with robots and monsters from lead, so why not do that?
• 1:27:53
  Harry. I I don't think Harry would have
• 1:27:56
  worked if he hadn't been played by in Malta.
• 1:27:58
  Yeah, he's my conclusion because Harry is so strange, he is
• 1:28:04
  completely out of time. He is supposed to be a and
• 1:28:08
  Junior admittedly officer in the Navy and a medical practitioner.
• 1:28:15
  and he, Talks like somebody from a PG Woodhouse novel.
• 1:28:22
  Which is like one as well and dresses like one as well.
• 1:28:25
  So he dresses like an elderly member of a yacht club.
• 1:28:29
  And he talks like whether this is supposed to be a joke at the
• 1:28:31
  expense of the royal Navy. I have no idea, but I'm
• 1:28:34
  convinced that if he wasn't Ian Marta, he would just be so
• 1:28:38
  bloody annoying. You would want to repeatedly
• 1:28:41
  speaking his oil, punch him in the face or whatever it happened
• 1:28:44
  to be. So I It's just emulator is just
• 1:28:49
  Charming. He's just a Charming
• 1:28:50
  personality. He's warm.
• 1:28:51
  He's He is self-deprecating in the park when he is called on to
• 1:28:57
  be properly. Good at his job, he can be
• 1:29:00
  properly good at that job and he has this rapport with with
• 1:29:05
  Thomas. Sarah Elizabeth, but he just, I
• 1:29:10
  think That was what struck me because I heard about I hadn't
• 1:29:14
  watched any of these episodes before my grand, rewatched
• 1:29:17
  during the pandemic. And, but I'd heard about Harry
• 1:29:19
  and Sarah and the doctor and okay.
• 1:29:22
  And then he came on talking this.
• 1:29:24
  Oh, what does what What are they doing with it?
• 1:29:28
  I just don't, it's never explained.
• 1:29:30
  I know it's mentioned in the novelization which presumably
• 1:29:33
  was Terrence or whoever covering it with a lot.
• 1:29:35
  So oh, he's a bit old-fashioned but it's never explained why
• 1:29:39
  somebody who has risen to a certain rank in the Royal Navy
• 1:29:44
  and As a medical practitioner and explosive expert talks, like
• 1:29:50
  someone from PG would house novel is just bizarre decision.
• 1:29:54
  And I think if it wasn't, if he wasn't played by such an
• 1:29:57
  attractive, personally, and physically, attractive man, who
• 1:30:00
  had such a rapport with his colleagues, it would be
• 1:30:02
  disaster. So, I'm glad it's still a really
• 1:30:05
  peculiar decision to make and I still don't understand why, you
• 1:30:10
  know, he fits all of them wouldn't he was just terrible.
• 1:30:20
  It was Sarah when, you know, Barry and then The Beloved
• 1:30:31
  Jeremy, that's who he was thinking on, you know, I'll take
• 1:30:33
  Harry and to make him. Oh, I mean, they're, they're
• 1:30:37
  not, you're right, they're not that far apart, in terms of how
• 1:30:40
  they've written, but in how they're played.
• 1:30:43
  Yeah, Lucifer. Yeah.
• 1:30:44
  It's just, and it's like, you know, I think most people like
• 1:30:46
  love Harry, you know, and everybody hates Jeremy was just
• 1:30:49
  shows that, you know, oh, that's just shows how important and act
• 1:30:54
  to is to make a part can be sort of, you know, maybe they could
• 1:30:58
  have seen him would have been different.
• 1:31:00
  Because, the guy who plays Jeremy things, like, fucking hot
• 1:31:03
  as hell. Oh, he just sounds annoying.
• 1:31:05
  But no. Anyway, I would like to hear the
• 1:31:08
  villains are properly nasty and villainous so you can Boo and he
• 1:31:11
  said them, the robot is good. They have the, the sort of moral
• 1:31:16
  conundrum of being a robot filters from massive morphine,
• 1:31:20
  chapek's rossum's Universal robots.
• 1:31:23
  Which also has a female character who asks a robot, how
• 1:31:26
  it feels about something in it. And yeah, it's it's it's fun.
• 1:31:32
  It's just fun. And I obviously, I watched it
• 1:31:35
  without any kind of fan baggage to it and I found it amusing and
• 1:31:38
  enjoyable but I couldn't figure out at all and I do think it's
• 1:31:44
  the beginning. It's more of a beginning to
• 1:31:46
  making unit, a slightly ridiculous.
• 1:31:51
  Encumbrance rather than an integral part of the story, but
• 1:31:55
  the stories were going to move on.
• 1:31:57
  In any case it wouldn't have worked otherwise.
• 1:31:59
  So Lucy, I have given me a completely new reading on a
• 1:32:03
  scene though. Thank you.
• 1:32:04
  And that bit with the tank. Okay, well, it's also because
• 1:32:09
  floppy line who is probably of all of our acquaintances online
• 1:32:12
  has. He's, he's only did a little
• 1:32:15
  video of floppy lion riding in a tank, which is very like this.
• 1:32:19
  And it's like, I think married goes, don't you worry, I've got
• 1:32:23
  something that can do with this. Yeah, that goes.
• 1:32:28
  I couldn't work. Well, you pay attention to stop
• 1:32:37
  playing with your toy tags. Come on now.
• 1:32:39
  Yeah, that was it in some of the sort of chat between the brooder
• 1:32:42
  and the doctor, the Broody is being positioned in a more Even
• 1:32:47
  more comedic way than he was at the end of the perch.
• 1:32:49
  We era, Sarah is patronizing Benton in a not particularly
• 1:32:55
  nice way and it just yeah. It's kind of clicking on to the
• 1:33:03
  things that I really enjoyed, and Turning them more towards.
• 1:33:07
  I mean, Saigon's is kind of back into a bit more serious unit,
• 1:33:12
  but this is more like panto unit, but I, but I like, there
• 1:33:16
  are more things I like about it than I disliked about it.
• 1:33:18
  So yes, keep it. As are.
• 1:33:22
  Is it going to be five out of five?
• 1:33:24
  Yes, yes. Come on.
• 1:33:26
  No. I you know what, I could go
• 1:33:32
  either way on this because I don't think it's very well
• 1:33:35
  directed. I think there is a certain bits
• 1:33:38
  that the actions clunky Yeah. It does feel very much like a
• 1:33:45
  throwback. It does.
• 1:33:47
  I don't like the brigadier's characterization.
• 1:33:49
  He's too much of an idiot and I think I agree with all of you
• 1:33:54
  about what you said about Harry that if it wasn't heard martyr,
• 1:33:57
  he would be 30 Worcester in a naval costume and as annoying as
• 1:34:02
  as anything. What I mean, I don't agree with
• 1:34:06
  that. I think he's inspired giving him
• 1:34:08
  allow Jog and otherwise he would just be another Benton.
• 1:34:12
  So it really makes them stand out when he says things like and
• 1:34:15
  one of your totem pole and all this or more cases would be, he
• 1:34:20
  would be another Captain Yates. It's just basically, he's a
• 1:34:23
  Navy. He's a, he's a sailor rather
• 1:34:25
  than a soldier which isn't really is really the difference
• 1:34:28
  between him and but also, I think in masters of far better
• 1:34:32
  actor, But of course, I'm gonna keep this.
• 1:34:34
  This is brilliant. This is, this is the most
• 1:34:39
  child-friendly episode or story of the season.
• 1:34:42
  I would have no qualms about, you know, sitting down with
• 1:34:46
  Luke, and watching this or Thomas, who's five?
• 1:34:48
  And you, oh, I actually points. So fair enough I have never
• 1:34:55
  noticed this robot has a nose. I've never so that immediately
• 1:35:01
  makes you think. This is actually a robot, man.
• 1:35:05
  Not a robot. It's a robot man and that's what
• 1:35:08
  is so brilliant about the design.
• 1:35:10
  So you're immediately is anthropomorphized, you've got
• 1:35:14
  this voice, it's not a dialect voice.
• 1:35:16
  It's a voice and you get a really good voice actor to do
• 1:35:20
  this because he Michael killed Gareth, I think is or was part
• 1:35:23
  of the BBC, Radio drama unit and did a lot of drama Productions.
• 1:35:27
  So he's really well known for his voice and he's brilliant.
• 1:35:31
  It's a great story for Sarah. Yes, some of her costume changes
• 1:35:35
  are Slightly bizarre, but listen really makes you believe but
• 1:35:40
  Sarah has feelings for this robot and I love as the as you
• 1:35:44
  go about the the Viewpoint, the point of view shots of the of
• 1:35:47
  the robot, when you see it at the beginning, you're curious to
• 1:35:51
  know what's going on. When you see that part one,
• 1:35:53
  Cliffhanger, you Realize, it's, it's signposted well enough for
• 1:35:56
  the, for the kids, and the adults to go.
• 1:35:58
  It's the robot that's been killing these people.
• 1:36:01
  And it's going to kill Sarah and basic Cliff Hanger.
• 1:36:07
  Yeah, this is great fun. I think Tom, it's not his best
• 1:36:10
  performance. He's clearly finding his feet,
• 1:36:11
  but there are Pointers of to where he's going to go with the
• 1:36:15
  character. And he, you know, there's that
• 1:36:18
  not listening and staring into space, to sort of abstract
• 1:36:22
  alienists, which is there to differentiate him from Pertwee.
• 1:36:25
  I love the line. When he says, wait, where the
• 1:36:29
  Brigade is says, well the, you know, the only country that
• 1:36:31
  could be trusted was Great Britain.
• 1:36:32
  And Tom goes, oh yes, naturally because the rest were all
• 1:36:35
  foreigners. I don't want to probably said
• 1:36:38
  Because he works for the United Nations.
• 1:36:40
  I know. I know not.
• 1:36:42
  So sorry to bossy like that. Sorry.
• 1:36:46
  No, no we're all doing it. No, no I know I know what you
• 1:36:52
  mean as a bit of Comedy. It's quite fun but it really
• 1:36:56
  yeah undermines the Brigade is character and just make some the
• 1:37:00
  colonel blimp but also it's got that my favorite line of dog,
• 1:37:05
  too, which I have quoted so many times to children and so like
• 1:37:10
  there is no point in being grown up.
• 1:37:12
  If you can't be childish, sometimes Thank you, and it's
• 1:37:16
  just, yeah, it's yeah, we got to keep it, just even if it's just
• 1:37:19
  for that. But last thing is just glorious,
• 1:37:22
  isn't it? I mean that's so good.
• 1:37:24
  The last seen as a mission statement of we're gonna go and
• 1:37:27
  have some fun, what you? We get the orc in space.
• 1:37:29
  Next one last point and just say that that robot has such Flair
• 1:37:37
  because he's got the best shoulder pads until Kate.
• 1:37:40
  O'Mara and Bonnie Langford, come along into Doctor Who I mean,
• 1:37:43
  they're just amazing. All right?
• 1:37:45
  If the eighties come early, the robot's movement may be shipped,
• 1:37:49
  but then think tank is shit too, aren't they?
• 1:37:51
  They think they're going to rule the world and they haven't got
• 1:37:53
  enough supplies. But the non surprise twist.
• 1:37:57
  We are all to one man. Who could it be the only other
• 1:38:00
  guy? Because it doesn't matter
• 1:38:04
  sometimes if you're ahead of the acid.
• 1:38:07
  Dramatic device. Being ahead of the The cast
• 1:38:11
  means that you're kind of know something Terrible's gonna
• 1:38:14
  happen and you don't know. Yeah, you're walking right to it
• 1:38:16
  but on the other hand if you're saying nine and you're suddenly
• 1:38:19
  hated the car that's really brilliant because you figured
• 1:38:22
  it. Yes.
• 1:38:22
  You know what's going on you? I'm still nine so true.
• 1:38:27
  Yeah. The same reaction like is it?
• 1:38:30
  There's no point in being grown up.
• 1:38:31
  If you can't be childish, sometimes there we go.
• 1:38:34
  So that's a straight win five? Yeah.
• 1:38:37
  So who's going to do our third story?
• 1:38:43
  I'm happy to go next. Okay?
• 1:38:45
  No. Oh, okay, no.
• 1:38:48
  Can we talk about the Ark in space, please?
• 1:38:54
  And I come to praise the Ark in space.
• 1:38:57
  I think it's superb, but I've chosen three sort of reasons
• 1:39:01
  that we don't normally hear about.
• 1:39:03
  And what number one reason is the bubble wrap, which I think
• 1:39:08
  is ingenious and I, obviously bubble wrap wasn't being used in
• 1:39:13
  Amazon Parcels at the time, the designers found this unusual new
• 1:39:18
  products. And, oh my God, we can actually
• 1:39:20
  do the physical transformation of our man into an insect using.
• 1:39:25
  This thing, sprayed, green know and I think the bubble wrap is
• 1:39:28
  literally That doctor who write. If you can watch classic Doctor
• 1:39:34
  Who and see that as the transformation of a managed to
• 1:39:37
  an insect and not, oh God, that's just bubble wrap.
• 1:39:40
  Yeah, you can watch they go. Joe is literally Oh, no.
• 1:39:46
  I was gonna paint it green, but I thought.
• 1:39:51
  No, well time though. I just, I just think, if you can
• 1:39:54
  get behind that, you can basically watch all of classic
• 1:39:57
  Who dodgy effects and all, and you can just go with what the
• 1:40:00
  story is trying to present to you.
• 1:40:01
  If you can't, maybe don't watch classic Doctor Who because
• 1:40:05
  you're gonna spend most of your time on podcast.
• 1:40:07
  Wow, you know it looks a bit cheap it looked like a toy tank.
• 1:40:11
  Yeah. So I think the pop rocks
• 1:40:12
  brilliant. And I think the transformation
• 1:40:14
  the physical, right? The big, he's in the corridor
• 1:40:17
  and half of him's transformed. It's absolutely.
• 1:40:32
  The second reason I love the Arkansas space again is a little
• 1:40:36
  bit later. Now, I know she wasn't happy
• 1:40:39
  with this script and how she was portrayed.
• 1:40:43
  Take her out of this story for a second.
• 1:40:45
  Yeah. And then you've got a lot of
• 1:40:47
  very serious people. Not behaving in a particularly
• 1:40:52
  scared way. Going for this.
• 1:40:54
  So there's no, there's no tension to this at all.
• 1:40:57
  It's her, she brings it. Oh, when she's on the couch and
• 1:41:00
  she's doing that Breezy Panic, you're really there with her
• 1:41:03
  when she comes out of the thing. And she goes, what's this?
• 1:41:06
  What's happening? And she's panicked yet, you're
• 1:41:08
  there with her, when she's going through that ventilation shaft
• 1:41:12
  at the end of the story. And the insects trying to get
• 1:41:15
  her, she's terrified. I think I think her the fact
• 1:41:19
  that she is overly emotional and put into she is a victim in this
• 1:41:24
  a companion are but I think the fact that she is there, that's
• 1:41:28
  why the Arkham space has like, you know, a fast heartbeat and a
• 1:41:33
  feeling of claustrophobia because if it's just viral
• 1:41:35
  walking around getting it. Oh yeah.
• 1:41:37
  Oh yeah, there's nothing. There's there's no tension
• 1:41:41
  there. Harry's not particularly
• 1:41:43
  responding to this situation with anything but one-liners.
• 1:41:47
  And the doctor is being witty and clever and, and charismatic
• 1:41:52
  Sarah's afraid. And that's why we're afraid in
• 1:41:55
  this story. I think Elizabethton is
• 1:41:57
  brilliant. And can I just a quick moment
• 1:42:00
  for my mom's all-time least favorite Doctor, Who moment that
• 1:42:04
  she used to quote, to me all the time when I would bring up how
• 1:42:08
  much I love, Sarah Jane, she just go.
• 1:42:10
  Oh, come again, you're a brute. Because she was awful.
• 1:42:17
  I love it. You've done marvelously, Sarah.
• 1:42:36
  I'm very proud of you. I really am very proud of you.
• 1:42:42
  Come to you brute. Don't be ungrateful.
• 1:42:46
  I was on the encouraging. You come.
• 1:42:48
  And my last reason is Ken some more.
• 1:42:51
  We're going to see an awful lot of possession in the next three
• 1:42:55
  years is probably homes favorite thing.
• 1:42:58
  I think this is the most convincing and painful
• 1:43:00
  transformation that you ever seen in the history of that bit
• 1:43:04
  where it should be observed. He's wrestling with his arm,
• 1:43:07
  which is called covered in bubble wrap.
• 1:43:09
  It's really scary and and the way he says the Lions when he
• 1:43:16
  saw saying get Are your people to the?
• 1:43:19
  It's like something is literally trying to come up through him
• 1:43:23
  and and vomit out of his mouth, it's really disturbing its
• 1:43:27
  psychological and its physical. And you need a good actor to
• 1:43:31
  pull off that shit and deliver that pain to the audience and
• 1:43:34
  he's more than up to the task. So, yeah, I think in terms of
• 1:43:38
  special effects, they're a bit Pony, but I think they're doing
• 1:43:43
  what they can this later and absolutely sell in the danger of
• 1:43:47
  this story and Ken some more convincing that a man is turning
• 1:43:51
  into a bunk. I guess is brilliant.
• 1:43:55
  There's millions of other reasons that you guys will go
• 1:43:57
  into the sets, the script Tom, all of that.
• 1:44:00
  But I just think on every level The Ark in space it is our bold
• 1:44:04
  new duration for Doctor Who know Wonder 13 million people turned
• 1:44:08
  up and watched episode 2. No wonder, yes please.
• 1:44:11
  Let's put it for Now, Daniel you're muted?
• 1:44:14
  Yeah. Elliot.
• 1:44:16
  I was just saying, should we should go to the comments?
• 1:44:18
  Yeah, absolutely told me to start.
• 1:44:20
  Yeah, for me. Oh, so the first one is from
• 1:44:25
  Darren lit. Roundels who says top tier is
• 1:44:29
  one of Tom's best performance is a world crafted involving story
• 1:44:32
  but striking set design, all done, Tom Nails, it from the
• 1:44:37
  get-go. Bubble wrap Heaven.
• 1:44:38
  Lovely direction from Rodney Bennett top tier, Robert Holmes,
• 1:44:42
  nice to see a strong female and the guest cast a rare
• 1:44:45
  occurrence, in the hinge clef era, the wearing are a great
• 1:44:47
  concept and look great until they move.
• 1:44:51
  Gareth Bale these says it's a real story full of atmosphere
• 1:44:55
  and still holds up today. Much better than the alien
• 1:44:58
  French eyes. All smile.
• 1:45:01
  I feel this is overrated. It's a bit boring in places the
• 1:45:05
  we're in failed to convince and apart from Tom's indomitable
• 1:45:08
  speech, this feels a bit flat. David Gillespie Pratt says a
• 1:45:14
  blast of fresh air doctor who gets a huge Boost from a new
• 1:45:17
  producer and it's clear. We're off out into a new
• 1:45:20
  universe of terrorists. The wiring might wobble but who
• 1:45:22
  cares as the whole production is character of such conviction?
• 1:45:25
  Bonus virus smile at the end. The Anthony Carroll one of the
• 1:45:30
  best First episodes ever. Brilliant sets, and body horror.
• 1:45:34
  I even forget forgive bubble wrap and they still have just
• 1:45:38
  gonna say, Onions. They still have unions.
• 1:45:41
  Sorry. Anthony they may still have
• 1:45:43
  onions as well, who knows? He's you can store them for
• 1:45:49
  years. I mean, you've got all Botanical
• 1:45:52
  life is there? So it's probably definitely
• 1:45:54
  definitely onions. Yes, although the chomping down
• 1:45:57
  on those it might stop the breeding but that's, you know,
• 1:45:59
  that's a lot if they're all true.
• 1:46:02
  Yeah, but Oscar Groucho, says Arthur C Clarke on a budget
• 1:46:14
  surprisingly nihilistic, but utterly gripping.
• 1:46:17
  Peter old, it's a second story that thoroughly establishes.
• 1:46:20
  Baked in the same way, the Daleks, the mutants stroke, the
• 1:46:23
  Dead Planet does for Hartnell, one of the top two contenders
• 1:46:26
  for winning. Big Orange.
• 1:46:29
  Michael says, there's a reason. This story was the first
• 1:46:32
  released on any new commercial media.
• 1:46:34
  It's confident scary and supremely well done.
• 1:46:36
  A go-to as the best of Doctor, Who keep it, keep it, keep it,
• 1:46:40
  Michael storm, the Tom Baker era, properly begins and the
• 1:46:44
  shift in tone and style is enormous.
• 1:46:46
  Part one has Echoes of the heart malaria and Terry Nation
• 1:46:49
  openings but it is ramped up. The resolution is well thought
• 1:46:53
  out probably because homes is homogeneous sorry.
• 1:46:57
  The course the greater mass experiment and oh that homo
• 1:47:00
  sapiens Beach. Keep Paul Quinn Arc is easily
• 1:47:05
  the best of the season one of homes, greatest piece of writing
• 1:47:07
  and worldbuilding, despite the filling for lucaris Mad thing
• 1:47:11
  about giant puffballs. You suspend your disbelief at
• 1:47:14
  the bubble wrap because this is an absolute conviction in the
• 1:47:17
  script. And the performance is extra
• 1:47:19
  marks for significant female character in this phallic
• 1:47:22
  Century period of the show. Brilliant design and Direction
• 1:47:25
  and Castro. Aliens maybe all-time classic,
• 1:47:29
  definitely An Arnold starts well with a gorgeously Eerie first
• 1:47:34
  episode that crashes with the homo sapiens Beach.
• 1:47:37
  It's a perk we moment of charm that Tom tries to act with the
• 1:47:40
  capital A and therefore feels horribly staging.
• 1:47:43
  What's the point of saving a human race when they're just
• 1:47:46
  scientific authoritarians? James Lark says a Triumph of
• 1:47:50
  design Direction and determination of the new
• 1:47:53
  production team to take everything seriously.
• 1:47:55
  I suspect in season 11, it would have felt like a budget friendly
• 1:47:59
  filler rather than a classic as which is rightly regarded.
• 1:48:02
  And I love Tom's, cardigan only look fourth doctor as an
• 1:48:06
  overgrown student, a conception, we lose within a year, but it
• 1:48:09
  suits his interpretation. So, well, doesn't he look young.
• 1:48:12
  Jason Thompson Arc is the story that began my fandom so if
• 1:48:16
  you've been this one, you've been me.
• 1:48:18
  Okay. Jason it's rightly 70s with its
• 1:48:21
  gleaming white rooms consoles and uniforms with flares, but I
• 1:48:24
  love everything about it. Was the BBC really up to having
• 1:48:27
  swarms of giant insects in 1974, not really, but kudos for
• 1:48:32
  trying, the weren't a great design and so what if the love I
• 1:48:37
  made out of bubble wrap, they look great.
• 1:48:39
  And Noah's Transformations is very effective, Thomas already
• 1:48:42
  here. Making it very much his own.
• 1:48:44
  It's already the doctor here so sorry making it very much is
• 1:48:47
  own. Keep keep Paul kresses has such
• 1:48:51
  a sudden change in tone for the program and there's no doubt
• 1:48:54
  we're in different territory now that we're in any of their
• 1:48:57
  stages, may not be the most convincing aliens, but it's all
• 1:49:00
  played with total conviction. It also has a special place for
• 1:49:02
  being one of these earliest VHS releases, Luke Sims Jenkins the
• 1:49:07
  Second Story I ever saw. So, I'll always love it.
• 1:49:10
  It's like alien before alien and it's not boring.
• 1:49:13
  Unlike alien creeped me out of the kid, a classic.
• 1:49:16
  I get really being into your classic doctor, but alien, well,
• 1:49:20
  one of the great is movies, all time is catching some Strays in
• 1:49:22
  in these comments All not have this.
• 1:49:25
  Tom Baker with disagree with you.
• 1:49:26
  You never heard the famous story about Tom but this no Lal Awards
• 1:49:30
  says about how she and Tom went to see a alien at the cinema
• 1:49:35
  with Graham and halfway through Tom shouts, why don't they just
• 1:49:39
  go down to the whole, the alien to death?
• 1:49:44
  Well, he wouldn't he, oh, good because he's not the lead in
• 1:49:47
  that. And that film want to be rude,
• 1:49:49
  but I don't disagree with him. Actually.
• 1:49:51
  Alien is so boring. No, it's not.
• 1:49:54
  Well, let me let me rephrase that.
• 1:49:56
  I think it's absolutely brilliant and a masterpiece of
• 1:50:01
  tension and one, you've watched it once and then you watch it
• 1:50:04
  again and you can pick up all the little Tails.
• 1:50:07
  The Ian Holm, very subtly drops that he's not on the same side
• 1:50:11
  as the rest of the crew before the rest of it explodes.
• 1:50:14
  And also I think he's in League with the cat because I think the
• 1:50:17
  cat leads them to the alien but yeah.
• 1:50:19
  No, I love you know. I've never seen any I think
• 1:50:23
  alien and he exists in two completely different
• 1:50:28
  universities though. Television and Cinema.
• 1:50:30
  Don't for me. Oh inside.
• 1:50:32
  But I actually agree with you by just, haven't been around for
• 1:50:38
  five minutes. I wanted to come back in the
• 1:50:40
  stir, the pot a little bit, I was good.
• 1:50:42
  So I thought I was meant to the generous and have no attention
• 1:50:44
  span. All these people saying alien is
• 1:50:46
  boring. She's Not for them.
• 1:50:48
  It's not for them. That's fine.
• 1:50:49
  You oh gosh yes. Mad Paddington says it just
• 1:50:56
  immense our new team as a capable Trio and they play so
• 1:50:59
  well together. I know I'm not saying anything
• 1:51:01
  new here, but this is one of my go-to stories if I can't decide.
• 1:51:04
  As a fan who came aboard in 05, maybe there's something in the
• 1:51:07
  fact that RTD and Moffat have both stated.
• 1:51:09
  It is a favorite too. Keep in Carter, the Whiplash
• 1:51:12
  from the previous story is shocking.
• 1:51:14
  This ain't for kids anymore. A great story, was some gruesome
• 1:51:17
  ideas. Noah is so well played and you
• 1:51:20
  can see why it'd be too strong in places as a statement of
• 1:51:24
  intent for the new production team, this is perfect.
• 1:51:26
  Keep Glenn Fitzgerald says, I think the Ark in space had such
• 1:51:30
  great potential but came across as a bit stiff or stuffy, just
• 1:51:33
  bite. The bubble wrap though, it's a
• 1:51:35
  nice little story with some noticeable Inspirations from
• 1:51:38
  other sci-fi of the era. I love the Tardis crew and the
• 1:51:41
  story, and there's certainly a warmth there.
• 1:51:43
  So it's all very lovely, Matt. Floyd, a Triumph of ideas and
• 1:51:46
  storytelling over budget. Conceptually creepy, anyone who
• 1:51:49
  mentions bubble, wrap is a regressive and only qualified to
• 1:51:52
  work on sailors. Of.
• 1:51:58
  Design imagination over budget. I would say, yeah, if it always
• 1:52:04
  was. Hmm, and says, I want to like
• 1:52:09
  this one but I don't find it. That great.
• 1:52:10
  Oh, wait and Kieran Evans. The first time, who does space
• 1:52:15
  horror? Never has bubble.
• 1:52:16
  Wrap been so this horrifying before and since and James
• 1:52:21
  hadwin Bennett says, yes, it gives the regulars a lot to do,
• 1:52:24
  but the ark itself is one of the most bafflingly stupid
• 1:52:26
  constructions and the tropes of appealing to humanity still in a
• 1:52:30
  possessed brain, a rapid cellular, reconfiguration drag
• 1:52:33
  things down to a cliche and as for the scene of the, we're on
• 1:52:37
  the outside of the Ark, just very, very badly thought out.
• 1:52:40
  As it suggests, they move by far power when in space Russell T
• 1:52:44
  Davis and the cost of saving sets to reuse make 0 logical
• 1:52:53
  sense and it's utterly unreal in the bugger, how frequently don't
• 1:52:56
  understand what James. Had been his talking about but
• 1:52:59
  the tropes of appealing to humanity still in the possessed.
• 1:53:02
  Brain of Rapha cellular reconfigure.
• 1:53:04
  I mean James just watching enjoy the thing.
• 1:53:06
  I think that's what we would nicely refer to as words out
• 1:53:10
  loud. Yes, yes, we're right in the
• 1:53:13
  scripts. I'm Elliot would you like to go
• 1:53:17
  next? Oh sure, thank you.
• 1:53:20
  It was very polite. Wasn't it?
• 1:53:23
  Just like, oh, maybe, let's little old me going next.
• 1:53:29
  I think that, yeah, this is this is a story that I was.
• 1:53:36
  I was very unsure of going back into into rewatching it because
• 1:53:39
  I I had seen it once when I first did the watch through and
• 1:53:46
  I remember liking it but then it's one of those things.
• 1:53:49
  It's kind of got stuck in my crawls.
• 1:53:50
  This is the, this is one of the standouts of Doctor Who ever.
• 1:53:53
  You know, I've got a house speaker with it and he always
• 1:53:56
  says here, it's the best one they've ever done.
• 1:53:57
  And I think sometimes, When things have that reputation,
• 1:54:02
  which a couple of stories do in this season, it can be a bit
• 1:54:05
  like, oh, is this actually is good, as everybody says it is.
• 1:54:09
  But you know what I rewards and I think the arcades is
• 1:54:12
  incredible. Um, I think he is good.
• 1:54:16
  In ways that people don't ever talk about it being good.
• 1:54:19
  So it kind of makes it Genuinely astounding, I mean yeah I think
• 1:54:23
  the the effects and the ambition, just of the whole
• 1:54:26
  thing really help it. I think.
• 1:54:30
  I also get bored of people talking about Bubble, right?
• 1:54:32
  But I think even if even if it was commercially available and
• 1:54:36
  it was a bit, it was a bit crap at the time, which it wasn't,
• 1:54:39
  but even if it was who cares, who cares?
• 1:54:42
  That's the, I always think that we're bad effects and talk to
• 1:54:44
  you. I think.
• 1:54:45
  But, who cares is all part of the fund?
• 1:54:47
  If you can't enjoy, if you can't enjoy Kenmore fighting his own
• 1:54:50
  hand with green bubble, wrap around it then, yeah, this, this
• 1:54:53
  is not, this is not the show for you.
• 1:54:55
  Bless you, Elliot, we need more young people.
• 1:54:57
  Like you like, I was five going on six when this came out and I
• 1:55:02
  don't remember that. I don't remember.
• 1:55:04
  That's all I'm A lot, it's older than that.
• 1:55:07
  I mean, wasn't he was, you know, it's all you Joe.
• 1:55:33
  okay, the idea of a young man Scientology, sorry but I don't
• 1:56:00
  care. Oh yeah, I think it's sort of
• 1:56:04
  shifted from being at the time, you know, genuine sort of, you
• 1:56:07
  know, we're using something that people don't know about.
• 1:56:09
  So it is gonna look very effective for what we want it to
• 1:56:13
  do. And then it's kind of shifted
• 1:56:15
  into this little bits now, almost like become a litmus test
• 1:56:17
  for yeah, whether or not you have a tolerance for those kind
• 1:56:20
  of things. But no, I, I absolutely, I
• 1:56:22
  absolutely love it. And I think it works invite all
• 1:56:24
  that, and I mean, the design work of Roger Murray Leach, I
• 1:56:28
  think, is is a real highlight, in this, the the room, the cryo
• 1:56:32
  chamber, where everybody is, I only took me until I think
• 1:56:36
  watching, maybe one of the the making of documentary is to
• 1:56:39
  realize that there is a mirror in the set that makes it look
• 1:56:42
  bigger than it is I so sold on on that illusion of how giant
• 1:56:48
  this was that I didn't know. Is that?
• 1:56:49
  Oh, yes. And I always kind of wish I
• 1:56:54
  hadn't noticed it because it's, you know I was so still so sold
• 1:56:58
  on on that illusion but just the size of it you totally totally
• 1:57:01
  believed that, that scale. But yeah, I did.
• 1:57:06
  Yeah. Ken's Ken's are more.
• 1:57:07
  Is Noah, is is a standout and so is Wendy.
• 1:57:09
  Williams is Vira. Their performance is a
• 1:57:11
  magnificent, but it is. It's it's just, it's charm.
• 1:57:16
  It's fun. There's character Dynamics.
• 1:57:18
  I love the Sumer that's walking on the circular outside, bit of
• 1:57:22
  the beacon. You know?
• 1:57:23
  And I don't know what you'd call it.
• 1:57:24
  But there's there's the, the big the big circle that goes around
• 1:57:28
  the top where you can walk through.
• 1:57:29
  And I think it's it just looks Charming, but you can kind of
• 1:57:34
  put it in the perspective or, you know, if you're watching it
• 1:57:37
  on a on a little TV set at the time, you're not going to notice
• 1:57:39
  that their fairy lights stuck. Just black and the bottom of the
• 1:57:44
  four is kind of visible. And even then, like I said with
• 1:57:50
  the ball, right? It doesn't matter.
• 1:57:51
  I'm never taking out of the story because of how Strong.
• 1:57:55
  The writing is how strong the cast are and yeah a definite
• 1:58:01
  highlight. For, for me for this season, and
• 1:58:05
  I think, yeah, I think you mentioned it joke, but the the
• 1:58:07
  same way when Sarah James calling through the calling,
• 1:58:11
  through the vent and the doctor has to shout or sexist
• 1:58:14
  platitudes at her to encourage her through the other side is a
• 1:58:17
  really lovely bit of humor and warmth between them as a real.
• 1:58:21
  Great moment. That's been stuck in something
• 1:58:23
  before, you know. I'm not saying what mine.
• 1:58:25
  Yeah, did someone shout sex is platitude that you to get you to
• 1:58:35
  move? It was it just quickly know I I
• 1:58:39
  absolutely absolutely adore adore this so even if it's if
• 1:58:44
  it's particularly lofty reputation.
• 1:58:45
  So I'm going to say keep oh wait for someone to bring this down
• 1:58:50
  though. Joe, would you like to go next?
• 1:58:55
  One of the best films I think. He's, I mean, you could say
• 1:59:00
  basically it's almost the same as the first episode of the
• 1:59:03
  Daleks isn't it? Because you've got Vice City is
• 1:59:05
  just the regulars. They go to mysterious place,
• 1:59:08
  they wander around this Pebble. And then what to the end is a
• 1:59:12
  horrible monster appears, which basically is the first episode
• 1:59:16
  of the doll Lakes, but it's incredible, you know, it's just
• 1:59:20
  like he's I think it possibly is one of the best first episode to
• 1:59:24
  get you hooked. Do you think it's, you know,
• 1:59:28
  John lucari wrote the first grade and then Robert Holmes
• 1:59:31
  rewrote it. Yeah and I have heard the John
• 1:59:34
  lucari version now and and there is a lot of.
• 1:59:37
  Yeah, the regulars just walking around not meeting anybody and
• 1:59:42
  I'm wondering if it's that 60s because he was 60, right?
• 1:59:44
  Yes. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:59:46
  Probably. I like very I think it's really
• 1:59:49
  good. We have the strong older woman
• 1:59:51
  as well, which is always good because, you know, from the fact
• 1:59:54
  that we don't have many women, you know, that we don't have any
• 1:59:57
  older women, you know, we get gradually, get them.
• 2:00:00
  So, sort of like there's like the fact that the people that
• 2:00:03
  try to save and really nice, people are never be good.
• 2:00:07
  Nice. We think about the whole thing
• 2:00:09
  that you destroyed. So we're going to say we're
• 2:00:14
  going to have this very small. they say, it's alright with
• 2:00:18
  chosen every body but then, you know, everyone who's turned off
• 2:00:23
  his wife, white and white Posh really, you know?
• 2:00:28
  But then It's the same with the same time when one people that
• 2:00:32
  try to say that South Africans aren't very nice.
• 2:00:35
  So it's always quite a thing that you think, you know, you're
• 2:00:37
  trying to say these people but are they really worth saving?
• 2:00:41
  And that completely guys are sort of very middle class and
• 2:00:46
  they're very rough. And yeah, while the word weren't
• 2:00:52
  set up in the ark Exactly, you know and leave that they you
• 2:00:56
  know every you know they have racist towards like the doctor,
• 2:01:01
  you know, you'll regressive, you know you're going to contaminate
• 2:01:04
  us, you know, that's very it's very diverse basically.
• 2:01:08
  You know, we're going to be acceptable.
• 2:01:09
  We have our baby pure gene pool. You know, we think so the rocks
• 2:01:14
  or you know, you could say there's nothing to connect
• 2:01:16
  those. But there's these underlying
• 2:01:17
  themes that, you know, the legacy of the second world war
• 2:01:24
  and the Nazis and the Japanese that last song, but still here
• 2:01:27
  to die. You can see that, you know, he
• 2:01:29
  goes all from, you know, it's a very long line and, you know,
• 2:01:33
  the memory is and the sort of things that happen, that Linger,
• 2:01:36
  The Long. You know, it's the fact that you
• 2:01:38
  picked on every single, the last intentional very, very maybe
• 2:01:48
  it's not, maybe it's just not one of those, you know, is that
• 2:01:50
  sort of, you know, in the cold show.
• 2:01:53
  So I'm consciously, you put these things in, you know,
• 2:01:56
  they'll probably asked always, you know, she's saying with the
• 2:01:59
  dolly, you know, because they were space Nazi is one.
• 2:02:03
  That was a whole point of them. Maybe they're not.
• 2:02:06
  That was sort of, you know, that's a very intentional sort
• 2:02:10
  of use your butt. My, you know, just because it's
• 2:02:12
  in, it's in the sauce, you know, we got these people who are
• 2:02:16
  right in the 70s. It's like what involved in the
• 2:02:20
  war they go up after the war? They came to involved in the war
• 2:02:24
  and I was very sort of and why we sort of forget that, you
• 2:02:29
  know, because my parents my my dad fought in the second world
• 2:02:32
  war because I had. No, my granddad for in a second
• 2:02:34
  world war. So, you know, that sort of the
• 2:02:36
  Legacy does something gone with your doing it consciously
• 2:02:39
  unconsciously. It's still It's still going to
• 2:02:42
  be there. You can't, you know, you can't
• 2:02:44
  think of yourself, says all colors.
• 2:02:48
  All great but we get no hint of that in the casting and we don't
• 2:02:52
  get any hint of it in the script.
• 2:02:53
  I don't think no, you know but doctors being a doctor missed.
• 2:02:59
  Yeah, a different like a different era.
• 2:03:02
  Maybe let's would have, would have made it a bit more white
• 2:03:07
  supremacist themes. I think it's it's just and I I'm
• 2:03:12
  not wishing to cast dispersions on the production at the time,
• 2:03:15
  but I'm possibly about to it's the Assumption of what is
• 2:03:19
  normality. So if you're Basel level for
• 2:03:24
  normal, if your base level for sort of having all colors and
• 2:03:30
  all cruise is a lot of white people.
• 2:03:31
  And oh, one of them is a woman because that's what is the
• 2:03:36
  general Norm in what year used before, then you'll put that in
• 2:03:42
  and somebody will watch it and they'll either go hang on a
• 2:03:45
  minute, or it would just go straight over their heads
• 2:03:47
  because I have thought about it because that's what what they
• 2:03:51
  watch looks like. Yeah, it's partly that it's
• 2:03:55
  partly the assumption that It's like saying I work with, I'm not
• 2:04:00
  an archivist but I work with an archives now.
• 2:04:02
  And there's lots of chalk about neutrality and archives and
• 2:04:05
  actually how archives have never been quote unquote neutral
• 2:04:09
  because what's perceived just the neutral position is the
• 2:04:12
  white Western. Yeah, sometimes my all sometimes
• 2:04:16
  not position but if you can consider that like in the
• 2:04:21
  history of medicine, for instance if what was considered
• 2:04:24
  the normal Baseline Wars? A white male.
• 2:04:29
  And everything else was was, was, was a different slightly
• 2:04:31
  different version of that. Then you see what I mean.
• 2:04:35
  I'm possibly talking myself out and that is the visibility,
• 2:04:39
  isn't it? If you think it's like nothing,
• 2:04:42
  you know, it's representation as well.
• 2:04:43
  And then again, you see. So, you know, itself thing about
• 2:04:46
  history is history is written by the people who, you know, have
• 2:04:50
  you know, one have the education to you know, it's the old pitch
• 2:04:54
  by the big sister's, you know. But if it's you know, We have
• 2:04:59
  another story written by a woman yet has not been no, that's not
• 2:05:03
  an Enlightenment is it. So telling know, isn't it?
• 2:05:06
  It's so telling that everybody that wakes up on the ark is
• 2:05:09
  white middle class, you know, an educated.
• 2:05:14
  And then they cast foreign actors in The sontaran
• 2:05:18
  Experiment, the ones that weren't sensor.
• 2:05:20
  The Arc are foreign Dirty. Bit course, I think that again,
• 2:05:27
  they think all the people out on the beacon.
• 2:05:29
  Oh yeah, that's the old country. This old thing about the
• 2:05:34
  colonization, you know you look back on you see all, you know,
• 2:05:37
  he got the Empire falling to bits at this time.
• 2:05:40
  You know, it's started, you know, we got you know all these
• 2:05:43
  colonies are basically going looking back at which the old
• 2:05:48
  country there. You know, that old weird new
• 2:05:50
  we're going to we can live without you.
• 2:05:52
  So in a way that you've got the same thing happening from two
• 2:05:57
  completely different, And viewpoints.
• 2:05:59
  You've got the you've got these, you've got the, you know, good
• 2:06:02
  thing. You know, the people that, you
• 2:06:03
  know, the Empire on the space on the beacon, you know, the why
• 2:06:08
  British Empire is saying, you know, where do you know when I
• 2:06:11
  swear here we go. Then you've got the people who
• 2:06:13
  went out You know, did you know, went out to the colonies, came
• 2:06:17
  back, look at you and go. What did you do?
• 2:06:19
  You were just like to sleep without 10,000 years you know
• 2:06:22
  the ones out there doing it. So it's very you getting it from
• 2:06:26
  two different viewpoints but me, he said the old thing, you know,
• 2:06:31
  version of dinosaurs, you know, extreme right wing and extremely
• 2:06:35
  they have a lot more in common than the people in the middle.
• 2:06:38
  And this is very much this, you know, you've got these sorts of
• 2:06:42
  You know, two extremes going on. It feels every bit you know, the
• 2:06:46
  segregation in the mutants, it was every bit like that to me.
• 2:06:50
  Yes. So and then again, you know, you
• 2:06:53
  don't like this and then you get the ultimate sort of, you know,
• 2:07:02
  When we go into Genesis, you know, there's a whole different
• 2:07:04
  all-time. Yeah, that's the sort of a very
• 2:07:06
  culmination the whole thing. But I'm gonna put it through
• 2:07:10
  just all those because it doesn't know I like it because
• 2:07:15
  it brings up all these things. You know.
• 2:07:17
  You can say, you know, we can look into it and sort of a very
• 2:07:21
  intellectual way, you know, there's but it does I think you
• 2:07:24
  know, we have got it. You know this basically is the
• 2:07:27
  start of Tom really. As a you know robot you can see
• 2:07:30
  is the start. But you know, as I said it's
• 2:07:32
  that's left over per between this is This is the beginning of
• 2:07:36
  pinch group homes. And you suddenly think, oh,
• 2:07:40
  Some, you know, this is different.
• 2:07:43
  This is going, this is sort of almost season 7 serious levels.
• 2:07:47
  It is, you know, I mean, I think the sets are great.
• 2:07:50
  I don't think that's a great. I think it's great.
• 2:07:53
  It's very Deep Space Nine. Isn't it?
• 2:07:57
  Up. Yeah.
• 2:08:02
  Oh yeah, it's very good. But the space was like if space
• 2:08:06
  was very clean and clinical. So it's like, 2001 isn't,
• 2:08:10
  everything is white. And spinach has space, was even
• 2:08:13
  though when you look at like the actual, like, the Apollo
• 2:08:15
  missions are basically 10 for it and then that's nothing like
• 2:08:18
  that. And this is like, this is
• 2:08:20
  synonymous space isn't? It's not reality space but it's
• 2:08:23
  the one time where that clinical, yeah, white light
• 2:08:27
  works because highly because it with the winner and grubs a nice
• 2:08:32
  terrify, the thing, you know, this is basically is it's one of
• 2:08:35
  those. Like they have those places
• 2:08:36
  where Deposited like see Banks, you know, whether deposited like
• 2:08:42
  seeds. So like, you know, if there's a
• 2:08:45
  nuclear apocalypse or something, we've got things, you know,
• 2:08:47
  somewhere, very sterile and everything which fits in because
• 2:08:51
  they all come out and they've got their white uniforms on.
• 2:08:53
  And also the fact that they're all functions, all those people.
• 2:08:56
  They've been chosen genetically, but they all functions.
• 2:09:00
  You know not by viruses. Will he's the commander?
• 2:09:03
  I'm this, you're the technician, almost lost their Humanity in.
• 2:09:07
  You know, this is what we want to say for the future.
• 2:09:11
  We don't want to save you because, you know, you're a nice
• 2:09:14
  person or you can, you know, you complete the wrong or you're
• 2:09:17
  going to bring something home. Sure, you're there because you
• 2:09:20
  are function. You know, your technician, you
• 2:09:23
  do this, you do that? which again, and again, you
• 2:09:27
  know, that's it you know, a thesis is that what we all want
• 2:09:30
  to end up living like You know, they say that what the future
• 2:09:33
  Bears you know, the basically you're not a person, you're your
• 2:09:36
  job but I still wanted to go through that.
• 2:09:41
  Last part of that lighting though, is, yeah, in this
• 2:09:45
  occasion as well. It's so bright.
• 2:09:47
  There's literally nowhere to hide in this.
• 2:09:50
  They'll find you because they're big big empty bright rooms.
• 2:09:54
  Okay, keep looking anyway. Sorry.
• 2:09:57
  There's not, there's no hiding in the shadows because they're
• 2:09:59
  on a Shadows. Okay, so that's so this one's
• 2:10:02
  going through because it's three.
• 2:10:03
  Can I go next? Lucy?
• 2:10:05
  Is that all right? Yeah, um, because I'm gonna,
• 2:10:10
  yeah, I'm gonna keep this because yes, despite the bubble
• 2:10:13
  wrap. Which, I mean, I saw this when I
• 2:10:16
  was first, saw it when I was about sort of 16717.
• 2:10:19
  So I was deeply embarrassed by the bubble wrap.
• 2:10:23
  And I wish they could maybe just put a little bit of slime or
• 2:10:26
  just made it look a little bit more mucousy.
• 2:10:29
  And anyway, You know, as Victoria would try, you've been
• 2:10:34
  through, would say try figure. But yeah, it works.
• 2:10:39
  And I think the acting is enough to To to make it work as you say
• 2:10:45
  that bit where the door opens and Noah's sort of half half.
• 2:10:50
  We're Half Human, it is really really gruesome but it's green
• 2:10:55
  so therefore you kind of get away with it.
• 2:10:59
  Wendy Williams's Vira, I think she's brilliant.
• 2:11:02
  This is, this is a very thoughtful nuanced performance.
• 2:11:06
  She's not treating it like a kid's show, and there's a lot of
• 2:11:10
  they do. Rodney Bennett has a lot of
• 2:11:12
  close-ups of her as so you get this little, you know, when she,
• 2:11:16
  she first wakes up and then she's sort of looking around
• 2:11:20
  her. And then she's noticed the
• 2:11:21
  doctor and Harry sets standing there.
• 2:11:23
  Oh, So yeah, she is quite clinical but as the story goes
• 2:11:29
  through you see her softening and you see her smiling and
• 2:11:34
  she's yeah, it's such a really good performance.
• 2:11:38
  He only other thing I've seen Wendy Williams in his tenko and
• 2:11:42
  she's completely different in that.
• 2:11:45
  She's a very sort of Jolly happy person.
• 2:11:47
  And unfortunately her what happens to his really horrible.
• 2:11:53
  Um, but yeah, she's she's such a good actress.
• 2:11:56
  She's not, she's not phoning it in or Hamming it up because it's
• 2:12:00
  Doctor Who she's really putting some thought into this.
• 2:12:03
  Yeah, the sets are very impressive.
• 2:12:06
  I kind of wish they'd turn the lights down a little bit. maybe,
• 2:12:10
  you know, just at the beginning where the Where the sort of?
• 2:12:15
  I mean yeah at the beginning when the time is arrives is in
• 2:12:18
  darkness but then you get it really bright and It does make
• 2:12:22
  everything look a bit sort of MDF, but that's what it is,
• 2:12:26
  isn't it? I love the bit where the doctor
• 2:12:30
  and Sarah are in, you know, Sarah stuck in the tunnel and
• 2:12:32
  he's going around. It's very similar to about
• 2:12:36
  seeing in Georgia to the world. But for me, where Joy to the
• 2:12:40
  World doesn't work is because I don't see any relationship
• 2:12:43
  between the doctor and joy. And I do see shooter being very,
• 2:12:48
  very harsh and aggressive whereas Tom's clearly playing it
• 2:12:52
  clearly played for Laughs here. So, it's a really nice, welcome
• 2:12:56
  bit of humor in what is a very dark story, if not with the
• 2:13:01
  lights down low, Harry's quite good in this.
• 2:13:04
  He's yeah, he's sort of slightly out of his depth but I love the
• 2:13:11
  image of him with the fishing guns firing and shooting at the
• 2:13:14
  wear and Grub, which looks really dodgy, but there we go.
• 2:13:18
  Um, and he gets this really mean look on his face when he's doing
• 2:13:25
  it. Yeah, we look at his like, I'm
• 2:13:29
  Gonna Get You, these lovely, beautiful, happy, you know,
• 2:13:33
  sometimes confused sometimes smiling.
• 2:13:35
  But anyway these guys right? Get you that is most okay in
• 2:13:43
  this but funniest as well. So first rule of the sea
• 2:13:46
  Gremlins can get into everything.
• 2:13:48
  Okay. Yes yeah.
• 2:13:58
  If I was, if I was to be nitpicky, the guy playing
• 2:14:03
  Liberty is a bit of a wet lettuce.
• 2:14:05
  Now, it's nice to know that there's gays in the future.
• 2:14:08
  Great, I'm not passing any, any aspersions on his sexuality but
• 2:14:13
  he's, he's just wet and the bit wary Falls over with that little
• 2:14:17
  blue star on his. It's not not the best.
• 2:14:20
  Directed death scene, ever industry, who is it casters?
• 2:14:25
  So anyone on this call but no straight man would have hair
• 2:14:29
  that perfectly confused. Okay.
• 2:14:31
  Fair enough and Richardson Morgan we haven't mentioned him
• 2:14:35
  as well as Rogan everybody. Yeah they're all polished but
• 2:14:39
  he's quite sort of vary. A bit of a homeless.
• 2:14:42
  White boy is somebody once described him so yeah it's been
• 2:14:45
  a snitch up. There's been a snitch up.
• 2:14:47
  Yeah. So I yeah.
• 2:14:50
  I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep this one as well.
• 2:14:52
  Lucy, I keep thinking Lucy's in black and white because of all
• 2:14:57
  the dolls Beyond or a black and white and then I remember know
• 2:15:00
  she's in color. Yeah, just about, um, Yeah, I'm
• 2:15:04
  Gonna Keep it too. There are things about it that I
• 2:15:07
  have a weird. I think I must have seen a
• 2:15:11
  repeat of this, because either that, or I did actually watch it
• 2:15:14
  when I was very young. And I remembered it because when
• 2:15:16
  I first watched it again on, repeat a few years ago, I
• 2:15:21
  thought, I was sure that I'd remembered that this was the 5th
• 2:15:24
  doctor in this story with the grub.
• 2:15:26
  And it was in my mind very clearly, just like it was in my
• 2:15:30
  mind, very clearly that there were lots of stories where
• 2:15:32
  people almost got turned into Cybermen, and there was one, it
• 2:15:37
  was attack of the Cybermen, the just the one story, but it made
• 2:15:40
  such an impression on me that I it took lots of stories.
• 2:15:44
  Yeah. I quite like it.
• 2:15:46
  I mean if you if you pick it apart, it does come to Pieces
• 2:15:49
  quite easily. But then so lots of Doctor Who
• 2:15:51
  stories. It is unpleasant eugenesis in
• 2:15:55
  space. I don't think that we're
• 2:16:00
  necessarily. I mean like we're supposed to
• 2:16:03
  want them to live because the doctor wants them to live and
• 2:16:05
  the doctor at the moment is The good guy.
• 2:16:08
  So we're not questioning his motives from that point of view.
• 2:16:11
  If he says that Humanity, a wonderful and ingenious and
• 2:16:14
  reaching for the stars, then yeah.
• 2:16:16
  Okay. Fine.
• 2:16:17
  These nasty people can live. I think the grub is quite creepy
• 2:16:21
  and I think it will be perhaps be better if it had been able to
• 2:16:24
  leave like a slug trail behind it.
• 2:16:27
  But that would have been far too complicated.
• 2:16:29
  I'm sure for the time. Yeah.
• 2:16:31
  Noah's transformation is he's horrible and realistic because
• 2:16:34
  he sells it so well. We should absorb the human.
• 2:16:49
  Know. No.
• 2:17:05
  Just very tired. But in my mind, getting stuck.
• 2:17:14
  Breathe. She will die.
• 2:17:21
  Must save our people, you must. And Joint insects are always
• 2:17:43
  scary because they should be giant.
• 2:17:46
  So they look weird. Harry's a clumsy idiot.
• 2:17:51
  He's like he's a doctor. Okay, it works.
• 2:17:56
  If you forget it works, if you forget what he's supposed to be.
• 2:18:00
  That he supposed to be a member of the Navy and he's supposed to
• 2:18:02
  be a medical practitioner. If he's just some nitwit from
• 2:18:05
  the Cricket Club who wandered in, then that's fine.
• 2:18:08
  Otherwise, it starts to come to Pieces, but no operations on
• 2:18:11
  May. So tell me that also, for some
• 2:18:14
  reason, an obviously I didn't notice this at all, when I was
• 2:18:17
  younger watching it and I, but because to me now, Sarah's
• 2:18:21
  clothes get changed again. Very quickly in the time.
• 2:18:25
  They got. No I mean in the when she goes
• 2:18:29
  from the beginning to the port and at the end, she goes in the
• 2:18:33
  Tardis comes back. Her and how are we going at all?
• 2:18:35
  This week has been and then she comes back, she's out of that
• 2:18:39
  thing, isn't she? But that the thing, it happened
• 2:18:42
  invasion of the dinosaurs, which invasion of the dinosaurs.
• 2:18:44
  If you think about it too closely, he's really freaking
• 2:18:47
  creepy. These men changing her clothes,
• 2:18:50
  unless it was Edith from a lower who's also very creepy in them
• 2:18:54
  into the denim outfit. And in this, she, she goes from
• 2:18:57
  her ordinary outfit into the, the space suit outfit, which is
• 2:19:02
  I assume that's the technology that does that right?
• 2:19:05
  I know it's still strange. Yeah.
• 2:19:08
  But I like I like the other the other actors I think they do it
• 2:19:11
  very well. I think we do.
• 2:19:14
  Before we start thinking too hard about who these people
• 2:19:16
  actually are? We do kind of care about them
• 2:19:18
  and want them to survive. And and there's a good
• 2:19:22
  resolution in which is hangs which is a sort of a hang on
• 2:19:28
  from other things and also goes back to goes onwards in to say
• 2:19:32
  waterstones where the person who is Transforming saves.
• 2:19:38
  Like, so in waters, Mars, the rocket.
• 2:19:40
  I hate Waters of Mars now because Adelaide.
• 2:19:42
  But the, the rocket crashes and that Sort of saves the day so it
• 2:19:47
  doesn't get to earth in this. Noah Stakes it up, he's a
• 2:19:51
  transforming, but he's going to do it anyway and his Humanity
• 2:19:55
  will win out. So that was a little bit
• 2:19:57
  verbally, but yes, I'm going to keep it.
• 2:19:59
  Five for five. Again, this is one of those
• 2:20:02
  lovely Seasons. I think should we go to round?
• 2:20:05
  Two of the overview comments and Anthony Carroll says you never
• 2:20:10
  get a second chance to make a first impression.
• 2:20:12
  That's why I think so many love season 12.
• 2:20:15
  When I when it's really robot, they laugh.
• 2:20:18
  Tom's performance and wrap. Hang on a minute.
• 2:20:21
  Is this about robot? Oh no, it is about the season
• 2:20:23
  Tom's before there's a few of us from me off in robot and a solid
• 2:20:28
  team with him. The rest of season 12 is patchy,
• 2:20:30
  but it doesn't matter as the birth of Baker, is Julius.
• 2:20:35
  The next Memphis shows? I think this is one of my
• 2:20:38
  favorite Seasons. It's one, I will go to for
• 2:20:40
  Comfort viewing, it's got everything I want and feel
• 2:20:42
  nostalgic about me. This is Doctor Who everyone's
• 2:20:46
  cup of tea, but I love it. So Tom's, darling, Cybermen
• 2:20:50
  shiny robots, and giant space bugs.
• 2:20:52
  Lobbyists calling Hicks. It's amazing.
• 2:20:55
  Not only how quickly hinge cliff and home Slough off the old skin
• 2:20:58
  of the show. Low but also how quickly they
• 2:21:01
  make it feel like their new way is, the default having Tom
• 2:21:04
  leasing in on their own. For the first part of our really
• 2:21:06
  helps to cut a very clear dividing line.
• 2:21:09
  Tim Carter says a great set of stories.
• 2:21:11
  We've only one real clunker. Again, we're all thinking of
• 2:21:14
  something. Different, Tom is great from the
• 2:21:16
  off. He's just the doctor.
• 2:21:18
  Listen here, make a perfect team with Tom.
• 2:21:20
  They all clearly love each other in cliff and Holmes, bring a
• 2:21:24
  fresh Vitality to the show, which had become a bit stale.
• 2:21:27
  Love it. Matt, Floyd really interesting
• 2:21:30
  season, a contrast to Mark onwards.
• 2:21:32
  So what had gone on before? Tom is giving it.
• 2:21:36
  Giving it he's all acting as supposed to perform before.
• 2:21:39
  He knows if the audience will like him listening adorable
• 2:21:43
  home, she's having the time of his life and rewriting.
• 2:21:46
  The doctors came in Evans says, a transitional season with
• 2:21:50
  respect to tone. It's interesting to compare
• 2:21:53
  Tom's performance and this is referencing back to the content.
• 2:21:56
  We've just had here to later ones after he knows the audience
• 2:21:59
  likes him. Paul Kresser says season. 12 is
• 2:22:03
  a strange one. I feel like I should love it
• 2:22:06
  more than I do. It has a wonderful team of Tom,
• 2:22:08
  Liz and Ian Marta all on top form, some great ideas on Tara,
• 2:22:13
  and Holmes, and Hinchcliffe. And yet somehow, it doesn't sit
• 2:22:17
  there among my favorites. And I don't know why Rick Maloy.
• 2:22:21
  The best classic season, hands down some Bakery so fresh and
• 2:22:26
  can't possibly be human. But once it's like, you're
• 2:22:29
  watching Doctor Who rather than an actor playing them, Sarah is
• 2:22:33
  better with Harry and Hinchcliffe, does not done
• 2:22:35
  enough to hit a repetitive formula making this the peak.
• 2:22:39
  Beloi says it's a bloody good season.
• 2:22:44
  If you skip robot. Tom Baker, grabs, the role with
• 2:22:47
  both hands and makes it his own, the team of doctors Sarah and
• 2:22:50
  Harry is one of the best. Some absolute Peak Doctor Who
• 2:22:53
  this season. CSO French says, wow, what a
• 2:22:56
  start clearly all over the place.
• 2:22:58
  Like Tom filled with an immediate confidence.
• 2:23:01
  Belonging issues like a broken, collar, bones.
• 2:23:04
  Getting the Arkansas space, right?
• 2:23:05
  And needlessly recreating and i t z triumphant cast.
• 2:23:09
  Oh God, they're here. Oh, the Plucky girl.
• 2:23:13
  The other guy Genesis is the obvious standout You know what,
• 2:23:18
  I'm going to say to everybody, don't you?
• 2:23:20
  Give me a bae bae. Give me an orange orange.
• 2:23:27
  Give me my car. I can.
• 2:23:31
  Thank you, hybrid of two production teams with at least
• 2:23:35
  two Bonafide Classics. If it feels like a concept album
• 2:23:38
  of a season much like series one of modern who I thought this
• 2:23:42
  season. We start six years of my
• 2:23:44
  favorite title sequence. Keep all of it.
• 2:23:47
  I'll do that big orange Michael. That's not the point of the
• 2:23:50
  show, but you Carol says, with pleasing.
• 2:23:55
  Briskness, all stories have a pleasing death count?
• 2:23:58
  Can I explain that please? He's a patron.
• 2:24:02
  Okay, well on one for the first one and said yeah I love all the
• 2:24:05
  doctors with huge death counts and started to not sort of name
• 2:24:09
  them all and I've asked him to rank his list of.
• 2:24:11
  And so now the air this is the joke.
• 2:24:13
  Now is Andy Carroll. I mean he lost Doctor Who but
• 2:24:17
  don't get too close or I might murder you, Johnny, Carol.
• 2:24:22
  He lives in the same town as me. So I think he's in the library
• 2:24:28
  window right behind you. Look, Johnny, Morris rice,
• 2:24:32
  extraordinaire says, Robert Holmes, delighting, and doing
• 2:24:36
  all the stuff that Barry, and Terry wouldn't let him do, and
• 2:24:39
  Philip Hinchcliffe giving everything a, much tighter edit.
• 2:24:42
  So, not a second, is wasted. And finally, how and the best
• 2:24:47
  we've obviously kept to last. It's Die Hard.
• 2:24:50
  Oh, It should feel like it's plain safe.
• 2:24:55
  And yet, hitch could arrives and pushes away from that.
• 2:24:58
  Safety to scare the little bugger.
• 2:25:00
  So, death territory, Thomas eager to please and giving it
• 2:25:03
  everything to be a success and restructures the show in his own
• 2:25:06
  image. Listen, I love a marker.
• 2:25:08
  Probably good foils. So let's just say everyone
• 2:25:11
  except for John all over this. I love this season.
• 2:25:14
  Yeah, I think so. Ellie, would you like to have
• 2:25:18
  the choice of either revenge of the sight of men or Genesis?
• 2:25:21
  The dog's? What a conference to say, not,
• 2:25:25
  not an easy Choice know. Um, I I would like to talk about
• 2:25:31
  revenge of the Cybermen because I don't know how I feel about
• 2:25:34
  revenge of the sidemen. So maybe if I talked to
• 2:25:37
  everybody for about revenge assignment, for 10 minutes or
• 2:25:39
  land on some kind of point of how I actually feel about the
• 2:25:42
  story, okay? Because it was always the one
• 2:25:46
  from the season that I really never liked like really really
• 2:25:51
  ranked it quite low. In my, in my opinion, I am big
• 2:25:55
  Cybermen fan and I just think it was very, very Tatty and And
• 2:26:03
  quite appalling. But I did re-watch it and I had
• 2:26:06
  quite a lot of. I had quite a lot of fun with it
• 2:26:08
  is objectively not good. It is not well-written or well
• 2:26:12
  thought out and it's a little embarrassing but I thought
• 2:26:15
  continuing its a four part. I was thinking this was going to
• 2:26:17
  be the, you know, the the slog of the series but considering
• 2:26:22
  it's four parts. I think it it Paces through
• 2:26:25
  everything very quickly It got great Camp funny at the sidemen.
• 2:26:29
  Having guns in their heads, is a really interesting bit of design
• 2:26:34
  work that is undercut by the need, for them to have their
• 2:26:37
  hands on their hips as they fire them.
• 2:26:39
  So trusting strutting about like they had a baking, a statement
• 2:26:44
  You have your hands on your hips, Elliot when you're firing.
• 2:26:53
  Oh good. You do this, though?
• 2:26:59
  I always try to think of a witty follow-up, but I can't.
• 2:27:02
  I just end up getting all embarrassed.
• 2:27:03
  Oh yeah. I I think, I think the planet
• 2:27:12
  vouga is again, I can't, I can't not complain about things like,
• 2:27:19
  Bubble wrap and toy tanks. And then complained about vulgar
• 2:27:22
  is just clearly some some caves and none of it is made of gold,
• 2:27:26
  but I think the Vogons, I think the Vogons design is is really
• 2:27:30
  well. Well, realized they are Creepy,
• 2:27:35
  creepy little guys. They kind of remind me of, I'm
• 2:27:41
  really sorry. I should know the characters
• 2:27:42
  named, but the, you know, the, the character in the towns of
• 2:27:45
  wing, Chiang, you know, the the Assassin character.
• 2:27:50
  They've got a similar sort of face sculpt.
• 2:27:53
  Oh yes the little um yeah yes but, He's basically unfoldable
• 2:28:06
  as a story. I don't, he's in comprehensible.
• 2:28:11
  Um, but I am just talking myself, right?
• 2:28:14
  So because you know what I'm gonna be.
• 2:28:15
  I'm going to be controversy, you want to controversy.
• 2:28:17
  I'm gonna say in spite of all of its lunacy. edibility to make
• 2:28:22
  sense and boring this at the time, I'm going to keep revenge
• 2:28:25
  of the side men for being fun and for strapping, gigantic
• 2:28:30
  caught in bombs to people's back.
• 2:28:31
  I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say, you have to say, God bless
• 2:28:39
  the youth. Okay, should we go for the
• 2:28:43
  comments? Paul cresser.
• 2:28:45
  It is probably the weakest story of the season, but I do have a
• 2:28:48
  soft sport soft spot for it. I think memories of the target
• 2:28:52
  book and it being the first VHS release though.
• 2:28:55
  Not the first, I was able to get hold of help with this.
• 2:28:57
  It's also one of those stories that's really lifted by the
• 2:29:00
  updated effects. When before I changed my mind on
• 2:29:04
  the story, I do remember finding out the first VHS released, I
• 2:29:07
  thought blindly imagine. Imagine your first release being
• 2:29:09
  Revengers assignment blimey. Luke Simpsons says, well, it's a
• 2:29:15
  certain kind of nugget but it's easy, the best.
• 2:29:17
  I meant story of the 70s, Darren lit around us.
• 2:29:20
  It loses. I lose interest once they hit
• 2:29:22
  vulgar the vulgar masks are hideous.
• 2:29:24
  It's probably the Nostalgia of it being an early video released
• 2:29:28
  that makes me feel warmly towards it.
• 2:29:31
  Then whether it's any good. Sorry that was terribly well
• 2:29:35
  read outside. Cliff Chapman better than its
• 2:29:38
  reputation side leader is silly. But the rest of it is solid
• 2:29:41
  nuclear effects, help as a complete season, it's only
• 2:29:46
  missing icons to bookend Harry, really?
• 2:29:48
  Most of the very early VHS releases, probably the first
• 2:29:52
  complete season on VHS. Glenn Fitzgerald says might be a
• 2:29:57
  bit plotted and the sets and costumes a bit questionable, but
• 2:30:00
  the scenes of those sidemen in the caves, always be iconic
• 2:30:02
  sleep and make up for a pretty predictable storyline and the
• 2:30:06
  ReUse sets. And who doesn't love a phallic
• 2:30:08
  looking Cybermen spaceship. It does look like a massive
• 2:30:11
  cocktail there. It's like a little smiley face.
• 2:30:15
  You know. He's got a little smiley face
• 2:30:18
  with just maybe laugh. We have cocks.
• 2:30:21
  Have smiley faces. Oh, yeah.
• 2:30:23
  James Lark, incoherent, poorly. Acted poorly directed ugly.
• 2:30:28
  To look at an intentionally funny like space around.
• 2:30:31
  Makes the return of the side men, not only anti-climax, but
• 2:30:35
  in Paris and his curse with one of the worst schools Doctor Who
• 2:30:39
  as ever been lumbered with, I love it.
• 2:30:41
  Oh, I got, yeah. Mad Paddington says, love the
• 2:30:51
  idea of returning to know her. But after all that it's just a
• 2:30:55
  bit Pap and I'm sorry but I'm really not a fan of the sidemen
• 2:30:58
  upgrade for this decade, souls in the fuker.
• 2:31:03
  Paul Quinn revenge is much better than its reputation.
• 2:31:07
  Top cast great use of the nerva set, brilliant location, work,
• 2:31:11
  effortless expansion of cyber history.
• 2:31:13
  It's a shame homes is dislike of the sidemen made him miss their
• 2:31:17
  potential as his ultimate ultimate monster with
• 2:31:20
  transformation and loss of humanity.
• 2:31:22
  You know with Paul Wright. I mean if I didn't know him as
• 2:31:26
  well as I'll do I'll say you just deliberately tries to be
• 2:31:29
  controversial love and all the stories that everyone hates and
• 2:31:32
  hating on the story for everyone loves.
• 2:31:34
  But no, he genuinely means what he says, you know.
• 2:31:40
  Here and Evans. It's a bit rubbish, but it was
• 2:31:44
  my first VHS brackets, Christmas 1999.
• 2:31:47
  So, I can't hate it too much. Zygons would have been a better
• 2:31:49
  end to the season. Jason Thompson revenge is
• 2:31:53
  perhaps not the best story but it has a lot of good stuff in
• 2:31:55
  it. Yes, you could have been it for
• 2:31:57
  people having to attack themselves with assignment.
• 2:32:00
  The assignment prop, the poor Vogue and masks, Christopher
• 2:32:03
  Robin's. Odd to take on the side believe
• 2:32:05
  and the unfortunately Felix ship documents but I say, keep it for
• 2:32:09
  the gorgeous filming of in wookey hole.
• 2:32:11
  David Collins had for us and Tom, Baker, just being superb.
• 2:32:15
  The amount of wonderful stories that Jason Thompson has gone
• 2:32:19
  afterwards and he keeping this shit.
• 2:32:21
  Good. Sorry.
• 2:32:25
  My applied my hand. A big orange Michaels.
• 2:32:31
  Once again, the Cybermen have a plan that falls apart if you
• 2:32:36
  think about it too much and I'm not sure why I say would pick
• 2:32:39
  gold as their weakness to run within the 80s, but I will say
• 2:32:42
  keep it if only because the target of all thrilled me.
• 2:32:46
  Peter old, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, I'm standing like
• 2:32:51
  Harold Steptoe. Oh yeah, sorry, Peter for making
• 2:32:57
  you sound like, oh, proverbial deer.
• 2:32:59
  It's not the whole. Why his Vogue in it?
• 2:33:02
  Califresh branding. Faux par, it's not the whole
• 2:33:04
  emotional Cybermen mistake. It's not the total machine
• 2:33:07
  creatures mistake. All the rubbish special effects,
• 2:33:10
  the new versions on the blue. Rape box set are actually quite
• 2:33:13
  cool? No, it's the whole damn thing.
• 2:33:15
  Put together, it just doesn't work.
• 2:33:17
  Did we really wait seven years for this dross Oscar grout, Joe
• 2:33:22
  like biting to a premade with no GUI in the middle utterly
• 2:33:26
  forgettable. Chris, Robbie owning hip acting
• 2:33:29
  years before she matching into a creamy egg and find enough.
• 2:33:34
  Nothing inside. Oh, the horror David Gillespie
• 2:33:37
  Pratt does not deserve its reputation as Midland.
• 2:33:40
  It's a very produced story and again, Thomas on tiktok form, it
• 2:33:44
  might be a little less strong than the three proceedings.
• 2:33:46
  Stories. But it's still an enjoyable
• 2:33:48
  ride. The tired out there.
• 2:33:50
  It's a very producer. I mean they're all very
• 2:33:52
  precisely very, very well produced story.
• 2:33:55
  Maybe. Yeah.
• 2:33:56
  Sorry David. If we've missed calligraphy,
• 2:33:59
  rifle, John Arnold revenge is fine.
• 2:34:04
  That's not, that's not like a sound by the sorry.
• 2:34:06
  The idea of the desperate dregs of the Cybermen being at the end
• 2:34:11
  of their tether and trying one last survival strategy is a good
• 2:34:15
  one. It'll probably be better
• 2:34:16
  regarded. If made later in the year when
• 2:34:18
  the underlying tension of the script by have been better
• 2:34:20
  brought out all done. I know it's cheap.
• 2:34:24
  I know it's but it's one of my first bhs's and I love it.
• 2:34:28
  Reusing the arcs set his genius. Walking horse stuff is amazing.
• 2:34:32
  The camp cyber leader is a hoot. What's not to love Harry.
• 2:34:36
  Sullivan is an imbecile Anthony Carroll my first video so very
• 2:34:42
  fond of its Army plot but fun. Yeah. 10 Andy Parkinson often,
• 2:34:47
  slated as rubbish. I've got to say, I love this
• 2:34:49
  one. Yes, the plot has more holes in
• 2:34:52
  the Swiss cheese, but it's gorgeously Camp fun.
• 2:34:55
  And I'd rather watch this than Genesis to distort the doctor's
• 2:34:59
  line. If you don't love this, you're
• 2:35:01
  an embassy or keep it. Oh, how?
• 2:35:04
  Rude and deposit James has been Bennett, says, better than Ark
• 2:35:09
  but the gold makes zero sense. Harry is bullied and insulted.
• 2:35:13
  Vulgar is a, is a thoroughly bizarre concept of fundamental
• 2:35:16
  issues in the way, it's presented, but it charms, me
• 2:35:19
  completely. So, keep especially as, I
• 2:35:21
  believe in this era of the arc more than the other, right?
• 2:35:26
  Tim Carter, the only let down in the season.
• 2:35:28
  It's just so dull. Endless roaming about those
• 2:35:31
  caves. The Vogons are interesting.
• 2:35:33
  And the site men aren't menacing in any way, was the use of nerve
• 2:35:37
  again, makes sense. The whole production looks
• 2:35:39
  cheap, and Tatty definitely been.
• 2:35:42
  And Michael storm says the season ends as it starts with
• 2:35:47
  the story, bathed in the styling of a previous era.
• 2:35:50
  Unfortunately, this is no deliberate contrast and it feels
• 2:35:53
  very old-fashioned and out of date.
• 2:35:55
  Home's bizarre. Home's bizarre.
• 2:35:59
  Misses the change to fully explore the body horror of the
• 2:36:02
  Cybermen. Maybe that's our choice.
• 2:36:06
  A large. Sorry, Michael storm, you know,
• 2:36:11
  Mike Marshall to me anyway. So who would like to tackle?
• 2:36:16
  This one's please. All this positive see about
• 2:36:20
  Avengers assignment. It's okay.
• 2:36:23
  Go for it. Okay, well now normally I would
• 2:36:27
  Have three points to say. But, you know, I thought what
• 2:36:30
  did I say about this on Docker reviews?
• 2:36:32
  Back in the day, I remember reviewing this and I'll read
• 2:36:34
  through the review and I went, well, there's nothing I can say
• 2:36:37
  now that I don't disagree with from back then.
• 2:36:39
  So I thought, I'd read out the tail end of the review for you,
• 2:36:43
  all to listen to bless you, people for having the patience.
• 2:36:47
  So, here we go. This is what doc oh, ho says and
• 2:36:50
  Joe Ford as well. The Hinchcliffe era is rightly
• 2:36:53
  celebrated as one of the most Innovative expensive and
• 2:36:56
  imaginative periods of doctor. But it's worth a Meandering that
• 2:36:59
  all ears of the show are capable producing their own duffers.
• 2:37:02
  Revenge of the sidemen is terrible.
• 2:37:05
  One of those rare examples of the story where pretty much
• 2:37:08
  everything goes wrong. I will usually go to Great
• 2:37:11
  Lengths, to find good things to say about the most slated
• 2:37:14
  stories, but in this case I am stumped.
• 2:37:16
  It's that bad Hinchcliffe was lumbered with two scripts,
• 2:37:20
  containing old baddies that he didn't want.
• 2:37:22
  And while he and homes managed to salvage Genesis of the Daleks
• 2:37:25
  and shape it into something exceptional, how to draw away
• 2:37:28
  the same care and attention was lacking in the season.
• 2:37:31
  The script needs hardcore dissection to make it even
• 2:37:35
  passable. The dialogue is perversely bad.
• 2:37:37
  The plot is riddled with logic vacuums.
• 2:37:40
  You couldn't even call them holes.
• 2:37:42
  The characterization lacks any finesse.
• 2:37:44
  The spongy tubular campus Christmas, Cy, And fudge their
• 2:37:49
  comeback. And by the end of the story,
• 2:37:51
  they are so ineffective. You actually start to feel quite
• 2:37:53
  sorry for them, probably not the intended response.
• 2:37:56
  Not even Tom Baker list Laden or Ian Martha.
• 2:37:59
  Can raise raise the bar on this story with the leading actor at
• 2:38:03
  Sea in a script that gives the doctor.
• 2:38:04
  So little to work with and his companions Swept Away in the
• 2:38:08
  tide of ineptitude worst. The extraordinary guests staff
• 2:38:12
  cast our lost somewhere in there, unrecognizable and
• 2:38:15
  struggling with poorly written Parts.
• 2:38:17
  When the most exciting thing is a carry blight and store score,
• 2:38:22
  and the fact that they managed to shoot the story in some real
• 2:38:24
  caves, you have real problems. Let's talk this one up to
• 2:38:28
  experience and never mention it again.
• 2:38:30
  Two out ten. So you keeping it here.
• 2:38:34
  The music is so full of that, weird popping farting noise.
• 2:38:42
  It sounds like, every time they come up, the bloody corridors,
• 2:38:46
  you know, they're not Oh, that's true.
• 2:38:49
  Yeah, I do love the the electronic editions made though,
• 2:38:57
  that they are really good. How we need this, isn't it?
• 2:39:03
  Like yeah you can take your critical blinkers off and watch
• 2:39:07
  it as a bit of action and adventure but it's not Michael E
• 2:39:10
  Bryant's best Direction. It's certainly ain't the
• 2:39:12
  regulars. Best performance is it's in no
• 2:39:15
  way. Robert Holmes is best rewrite.
• 2:39:17
  It's just terrible. Yeah, I think it's possibly the
• 2:39:22
  worst on Baker story. bin well short but sweet even though you
• 2:39:26
  did cheating, you know, read our review that you written so many
• 2:39:31
  years ago Oh, goodness. Back then. and, Okay, can I go
• 2:39:39
  next ladies? Yeah, okay.
• 2:39:42
  So here comes copyrights iHeart, A Tale Of Youth Christmas 1986.
• 2:39:48
  It's not a happy time in our house because we lost our
• 2:39:52
  Granddad a couple of months ago. So there was a very much, a
• 2:39:56
  concerted effort in our family to make Christmas the best
• 2:39:58
  Christmas that we'd ever had for my nan.
• 2:40:02
  Unfortunately, that involves getting for Christmas, the VHS
• 2:40:08
  of Revenge of the sidemen, which I then, on Christmas evening.
• 2:40:12
  Make my whole, not my whole family, but my arms uncles, my
• 2:40:17
  mom and my dad, my two sisters. Watch.
• 2:40:20
  Why do you hate those people? hi and as soon as as soon as you
• 2:40:27
  know the credits Fade Out and you get the the image of of Tom
• 2:40:33
  and Liz and Ian on that CSO Starscape it you know, that sets
• 2:40:38
  the tone and then you have this Laden going Thank you for that.
• 2:40:43
  We've made it and my mum's going.
• 2:40:45
  Oh my goodness. Oh, good, grief!
• 2:40:47
  Yes, so and then, just sort of when, when pretty much downhill
• 2:40:54
  from there, I mean, as a 13 year old, I yeah, it was, it was new
• 2:40:59
  old who would just had trial of a time lord.
• 2:41:02
  And I, That's actually as grown up me would say, I think that's
• 2:41:08
  miles, better than this. It's got Tom and it's got
• 2:41:11
  listeners got in and and they're great.
• 2:41:14
  It's got a really good cast. But you've got a lot of actors
• 2:41:19
  who aren't really all of whom have been in Doctor Who before
• 2:41:22
  you got Kevin Stoney, who acts like our room is half asleep or
• 2:41:28
  concussed. You've got Ronald Lee Hunt who
• 2:41:32
  plays yet. Another Commander.
• 2:41:33
  I think he spent all his life playing commanders and it's not
• 2:41:38
  bad performance but they're just seems to be It's all stock
• 2:41:43
  cliche. William Marlow, who's kind of a
• 2:41:46
  bit of the nice guy in comparison to Mahler, who, I
• 2:41:49
  mean? He's absolutely chilling as
• 2:41:50
  Mailer in the mind of evil. You've got oh no Jeremy.
• 2:41:56
  Wilkin had been in Doctor Who before, but he's sort of the
• 2:42:01
  70s. Go to for sinister slightly.
• 2:42:04
  Teutonic looking baddies. He's won in Blake. 7, he turns
• 2:42:08
  up in the New Avengers and he's quite good.
• 2:42:13
  But even with that. Oh, David Collings, as for us
• 2:42:16
  and he's, he's Hamming it up, I think he's but, you know, he
• 2:42:20
  realizes, he's behind that mask. So rather than doing what
• 2:42:24
  Michael Wisher does. With that Ross heater up to 11
• 2:42:27
  and yeah, I just, I would just really love to love this, but
• 2:42:33
  it's it's just not, not great, is it?
• 2:42:36
  And, you know, the yeah, we've seen.
• 2:42:39
  We've seen the location work in Wookie Hall, which is really
• 2:42:43
  good and that was very, that's seen.
• 2:42:45
  Around the sort of transmount receptacles with the, with the
• 2:42:49
  big globes. That's really, beautiful lit.
• 2:42:51
  But it's, by that time, it's too little too late.
• 2:42:54
  The dummies pretending to be the dead, body's the music.
• 2:43:00
  I mean the even as the discontinuity guys says, even
• 2:43:03
  the titles rubbish, revenge of the sidemen.
• 2:43:08
  So I guess I'm going to stand here and go with my hands on my
• 2:43:11
  hips and going. Unfortunately, you will not be
• 2:43:13
  able to appreciate it. Well, no, I'm sorry, I don't
• 2:43:17
  appreciate it. And I think on a good day, I
• 2:43:20
  would probably enjoy it. But no, let's be gotta be harsh
• 2:43:25
  with this and we was strictly, we can't like them all.
• 2:43:27
  So I'm putting in the bin. I've just had a message for from
• 2:43:31
  the Cyber leader. He says, you will be
• 2:43:33
  fragmentize. Okay?
• 2:43:39
  So, um, Lucy are you? Are you, as I said at the
• 2:43:43
  beginning walrus or against us? Oh, I have to admit that this is
• 2:43:48
  this is been sort of emblematic of my experience of watching.
• 2:43:53
  Old Doctor, Who is? I, I Have used IMDb a lot while
• 2:44:00
  I was watching. Mostly to think, what else was
• 2:44:02
  that actor in? Because I know I know them from
• 2:44:04
  somewhere or, you know, for other reasons and I would watch
• 2:44:07
  something and think, well, that wasn't too bad and then I see.
• 2:44:10
  Oh God. This is the worst episode ever.
• 2:44:12
  This is a pooling everybody. It's so badly directed and I
• 2:44:15
  think really I'm just not very Discerning obviously.
• 2:44:19
  I quite enjoyed it when I watched it the first time it's
• 2:44:24
  not my favorite. Um, I I think part of the
• 2:44:28
  problem, the problem that I have with these is the way the vocals
• 2:44:32
  look. And I think that's a lot of a
• 2:44:36
  contrast in this season where apart from the sontaran, you've
• 2:44:42
  got the wiring, which is a big insect and just looks like a big
• 2:44:45
  insect. You haven't got any other,
• 2:44:47
  humanoid, aliens that don't look human apart from devros, when he
• 2:44:52
  comes a lot, So in this, you've got Cybermen, who are
• 2:44:56
  recognized? What and actually, I found the
• 2:44:58
  Cybermen more frightening than the darling when I was a child
• 2:45:01
  because they could turn you into them.
• 2:45:03
  And that was terrifying to me. I got to meet David Banks who is
• 2:45:08
  absolutely Charming at an event and thanked him for making me
• 2:45:13
  run up. The stairs in Fright, when I was
• 2:45:14
  a child, he took it. Well, but lovely man.
• 2:45:18
  But yeah, it's very delighted to hear that.
• 2:45:21
  Yeah, well, it worked. Didn't it job done.
• 2:45:27
  And thankfully. But yeah, no, it was that was
• 2:45:33
  really interesting but it's kind of In the same way that people
• 2:45:38
  said that the sultan experiment was met, I suppose, this is a
• 2:45:42
  bit as well and it has bits that are sort of threats and action
• 2:45:46
  and once again, you have them pushing the point that Harry is,
• 2:45:49
  this comes idiot, which doesn't make sense in The Wider plot.
• 2:45:55
  the the sort of people in Peril carrying bombs, he's, he's quite
• 2:46:00
  nerve-wracking because the doctor is in deliberate danger.
• 2:46:05
  Obviously, I'm a child of the 80s.
• 2:46:08
  So the idea of Cybermen Being allergic, being fatally allergic
• 2:46:12
  to Gold. He's just a thing that's just
• 2:46:15
  How it was because I've seen her shop.
• 2:46:18
  That's that's how it is. So, I didn't question that at
• 2:46:21
  all. But I think I think it's hotly.
• 2:46:24
  The, the suit of the controls between the cyber men, who Okay,
• 2:46:30
  maybe they're not the best Cybermen, but they're still
• 2:46:32
  Cybermen. So they bring with them that
• 2:46:34
  kind of, all of scared, particularly on the ark, where
• 2:46:38
  you got the Cyber Max, and the things creeping around in the
• 2:46:40
  dark. And then the vocals who Are too
• 2:46:44
  much of a contrast to that. You got Vogons, humans and
• 2:46:47
  Cybermen and with the rest of the season, most of the, most of
• 2:46:50
  the villains or heroes are vaguely humanoid apart from the
• 2:46:53
  wiring. And the Vogons has, just such a
• 2:46:56
  contrast. It's, it feels a bit like you
• 2:46:58
  saying, it feels like a bit of a step back. and I know people are
• 2:47:04
  praised for instance, the draconians I found them a bit
• 2:47:09
  rubbery on first view. So this was another thing where
• 2:47:11
  people were saying, oh this is amazing, really?
• 2:47:14
  Okay, whatever. Um, so it's it's the sort of the
• 2:47:19
  contrast between we've had humans in human or humanoids in
• 2:47:23
  human situations and now we've got these funny people with
• 2:47:25
  rubber faces and that probably holds it back a bit.
• 2:47:28
  I don't mind the music to be honest.
• 2:47:30
  I'm not really I find. I am more of a synth, soundtrack
• 2:47:36
  person, probably because I'm a child of the 80s.
• 2:47:38
  So I find that less intrusive. But yeah, I mean, I guess it
• 2:47:43
  will probably go in the bin and I could send it there or I don't
• 2:47:48
  know. I only sleep don't know about
• 2:47:49
  this one because I did quite enjoy it when I watch it, but I
• 2:47:52
  completely acknowledge that. It's The there are problems with
• 2:47:56
  it. I mean, if you save it, Lucy,
• 2:47:58
  that means it's all down to Joe. It's two apiece.
• 2:48:01
  It's two piece. Yeah, I don't necessarily but it
• 2:48:04
  would put Joe in that he oh what the hell will put it in the bin?
• 2:48:09
  Why not? Oh, I do.
• 2:48:12
  I do it. I enjoy the final sequence with
• 2:48:15
  the planet. Heading towards the planet.
• 2:48:17
  And will they be able to knock? You know, billions in space,
• 2:48:20
  like red dwarf. I think that works quite well.
• 2:48:23
  So I just remember, sorry for my youth as well.
• 2:48:27
  That I had one of these sort of stand up wardrobes and after
• 2:48:31
  watching this off for all that looks fun, when Tom Baker's
• 2:48:34
  swinging about on the door, and I did try to, but my wife and
• 2:48:38
  that wardrobe, there weren't distributed well, and
• 2:48:42
  unfortunately, the Wardrobe fail, and so did I?
• 2:48:44
  And I think I may have been slightly concussed.
• 2:48:47
  I think I've made any sense if I'm honest.
• 2:48:50
  So that was before Christmas. Yeah.
• 2:48:54
  But you'd already done that with, with revelation of the, oh
• 2:48:56
  no, I was throwing it on me, then, yes, parents always finish
• 2:49:02
  your children's wardrobe to the wall Christmas.
• 2:49:05
  When we showed, when we watched it at Christmas, my mom saw that
• 2:49:08
  said, don't you even think about?
• 2:49:11
  Well, I mean Joe you haven't got a difficult choice but they
• 2:49:18
  taking Revenge on I know Jerry Davis didn't like the title, but
• 2:49:24
  it's just like What she's very proud and she's very sick.
• 2:49:29
  This is very you can tell Jerry Davis hadn't written for the
• 2:49:32
  show since the 60s. I know Robert Hunter this is but
• 2:49:34
  this is this could be trials and you could put sprouting into
• 2:49:37
  this with no problems or server. Now say was being mean to Harry,
• 2:49:42
  which I don't like. I mean she's sort of like
• 2:49:46
  Joining in which I think he's not an imbecile know, he didn't
• 2:49:51
  know. The doctor was on the other side
• 2:49:53
  of those rocks and he didn't know those harnesses were
• 2:49:55
  boobies so he's not an imbecile. So that's rude.
• 2:50:00
  I love my favorite line of all time.
• 2:50:03
  We turned back and then goes, he said by the way, which is just a
• 2:50:10
  little bit combat trailers. I love the fact that there's
• 2:50:14
  little boats and a little train, which is always nice to say,
• 2:50:16
  calm his up a little shit, and he's like, oh, who's gonna be
• 2:50:24
  the villain? It's not.
• 2:50:30
  It. Sorry, it's revisiting again.
• 2:50:33
  This idea from from Paladin, isn't it?
• 2:50:36
  You know, the, the person you don't think you can trust.
• 2:50:39
  Yeah, don't trust them. Yeah.
• 2:50:40
  No, exactly both sides against each other.
• 2:50:43
  Um, what happens all wearing plastic netting?
• 2:50:46
  You're talking about, you know, the word bubble wrap, I mean
• 2:50:48
  wearing plastic netting, which is just fucking stupid that
• 2:50:54
  they're planet is made out of the thing that sort of men are
• 2:50:57
  allergic to and none of them just go grab some gold quick,
• 2:51:00
  bro. You could say well what does
• 2:51:02
  that? How can the sober match even go
• 2:51:04
  in? Its like me, but don't shoot out
• 2:51:10
  from when they were all about two foot away from me.
• 2:51:12
  Each other in the caves. He's just very cool.
• 2:51:15
  There's no bloody women again and there's some of those we
• 2:51:18
  can't talk with those games. Can you really so participants
• 2:51:22
  to pretend to be Often by dustbuster which is all good for
• 2:51:27
  love. My God bless us.
• 2:51:30
  Actually she sells it, she doesn't.
• 2:51:32
  She sells it very very well and she knows she's doing that heavy
• 2:51:36
  breathing. And there's the the virus on her
• 2:51:39
  neck. She really tells her I mean if
• 2:51:44
  it's brilliant I mean it's the same thing I did with the green
• 2:51:48
  death but that's incredible when they did it.
• 2:51:50
  That's an incredible effects are very Donald Trump.
• 2:51:56
  He's like Trump Towers. It's Gold Everywhere.
• 2:51:59
  Okay, outside is. So I'm going to make a Vogue
• 2:52:02
  great again. On this is ridiculous nonsense
• 2:52:09
  and the plots ridiculous. But and they waste plus Kevin.
• 2:52:14
  You feel? So you must buy us all.
• 2:52:17
  And now you make him do this. It's like, you know, it's like
• 2:52:20
  what are you doing this through here, it's terrible, but I
• 2:52:24
  enjoyed watching it. I'm a good old time watching it,
• 2:52:28
  you know, but it's not very good and it's very much, you know, it
• 2:52:31
  has that all else has a terrible trout and ending which I know
• 2:52:34
  they meant you know, it should have gone into terrorism ones.
• 2:52:38
  And you know you'd say oh you believe in this little
• 2:52:41
  Cliffhanger to come back to the next season.
• 2:52:43
  But you think really, you know, it's just the way you want to in
• 2:52:46
  the series. We just like them going.
• 2:52:47
  He was like barely got out and ending of just like I could go
• 2:52:51
  off now. Which I think that, you know,
• 2:52:54
  exactly. It's really, you know, if you
• 2:52:58
  know what was left over, poetry, this is left over trails and oh,
• 2:53:04
  I'm gonna donkey, I had a good time watching it and it's a
• 2:53:07
  really good things but it is a lot of nonsense and it's just so
• 2:53:11
  many things. You said they go what?
• 2:53:15
  How you know? No, I shall take the champion of
• 2:53:18
  the damn Crown off your head and I'll post it back to Fraser.
• 2:53:21
  Yeah, you can have it. Thanks to fit me anyway.
• 2:53:23
  So Oh, Daniel. Oh, we're going on a journey.
• 2:53:27
  I don't really well. The only person wave in the
• 2:53:30
  place. Sorry, is it is it is terrible.
• 2:53:33
  I'm not, but I, I like it hasn't stopped things winning in the
• 2:53:38
  past. No.
• 2:53:41
  Um, okay. So hang on Joe.
• 2:53:45
  Are you just admitting there? That the time monster is
• 2:53:47
  terrible. No, I was thinking about other
• 2:53:50
  things. I always have jokingly terrible,
• 2:53:52
  but it's just wonderful. Right?
• 2:53:55
  You might say that and you know I never would he has the badding
• 2:54:01
  of a God oh God. Okay, no sorry.
• 2:54:07
  Um, okay. So that's four stories down and
• 2:54:12
  only one of them spent. Oh, two of them.
• 2:54:13
  Now been kicked out. So it's Genesis, the Daleks
• 2:54:17
  left. Yes, I thought this was gonna be
• 2:54:20
  the last one. What, what can you say about
• 2:54:23
  Jenny? The Darlings, that hasn't been
• 2:54:24
  said, already nine. I don't think, I don't think I
• 2:54:28
  would be I don't think I would be here if it wasn't for Genesis
• 2:54:33
  of the Daleks because it's my very first memory of Doctor Who
• 2:54:37
  and it's such a memory that was implant in burned on my my
• 2:54:42
  brain. The it was probably the repeat
• 2:54:47
  that I saw that was on. I love the fact that Mary White
• 2:54:52
  House when Genesis was first shown she complained about it
• 2:54:54
  being shown it half past five and then the following
• 2:54:57
  Christmas, the BBC show at 3:00 in the afternoon just to stick
• 2:55:02
  to fingers up at her. This, there's a reason why this
• 2:55:07
  is So popular and it is, it is, it is very, very good.
• 2:55:13
  I mean it is down to Terry Nation, I'm not nation's biggest
• 2:55:17
  fan. And you could point that this
• 2:55:20
  has been, you know, scripted by by Robert Holmes and he's sort
• 2:55:24
  of polished it off. But there are a lot of tropes in
• 2:55:27
  it that are of Nations work. But you've seen in Dolce stories
• 2:55:30
  before And we'll see in Blake 7. But it is really.
• 2:55:38
  Nation's finest hour. I don't know if it's his best
• 2:55:40
  script, I think it's best script is Dalek invasion of Earth but
• 2:55:44
  as the production everyone brings their A-game to this.
• 2:55:47
  Direct David Maloney and who we last Saw directing Planet of the
• 2:55:53
  Daleks. Now I love Planet, the Daleks
• 2:55:55
  but he's clearly. Maloney's, definitely realized
• 2:55:59
  this is this is going to be better than that.
• 2:56:01
  This is going to be not just for the kids.
• 2:56:03
  This needs to entertain the adults and He's really directing
• 2:56:09
  this to the hilt. There are He's, he's realized
• 2:56:13
  that you, you use the dial experimentally, you make sure
• 2:56:18
  you don't have a Dalek, that's staring straight in the screen.
• 2:56:21
  So while you're companion actresses trying to hide and
• 2:56:24
  it's clearly, it's just brilliant, isn't it?
• 2:56:27
  I mean, I can't, I, I was kind of dreading getting this because
• 2:56:31
  all I would do is just gush about it.
• 2:56:32
  Yes. There are there are bits that
• 2:56:36
  you could possibly edit out like the, like the clams.
• 2:56:39
  I mean, people do go on about this being over long.
• 2:56:43
  But I think I do wonder if those people.
• 2:56:46
  And it really annoys me when people say stories are overlong,
• 2:56:48
  but six passes. They're not meant to be watched
• 2:56:51
  all in one go. As it was originally made, it's
• 2:56:56
  right, it's it's made of six. 25 minute episodes so you watch one
• 2:57:00
  at a time and also you know what, if you watch all of them
• 2:57:03
  together that's only two and a half hours, you can watch this.
• 2:57:07
  In the same time it takes you to watch the latest the new Wicked
• 2:57:10
  movie. Certainly a lot, a lot easier, a
• 2:57:12
  lot shorter than some Lord of the Rings movies and goodness
• 2:57:16
  knows, what else, you could get two viewings of Genesis of the
• 2:57:21
  Daleks in the average length of a Strictly.
• 2:57:24
  Come hamster. you could yes maybe I should have said their
• 2:57:29
  internal not indomitable and at the beginning, I I there's too
• 2:57:35
  much, there's so much to say about this and I, it's, I always
• 2:57:40
  remember, I think it was, was it Vanessa, Bishop, who was the
• 2:57:42
  reviewer of Doctor Who magazine when they were doing the VHS is
• 2:57:45
  and she had to review revelation of The Darlings.
• 2:57:48
  And she said, you know, it's so much easier to review something
• 2:57:51
  that you really don't like or you can find fault with But
• 2:57:56
  there's a part from the clams. There is nothing that I can find
• 2:57:58
  for. With this, every one is playing,
• 2:58:01
  bringing their up game. The lighting on this is actually
• 2:58:04
  we've just commented about how this is a very brightly lit
• 2:58:07
  season. But those corridors in the, in
• 2:58:10
  the bunker, those metal saw shot with the with the, with the
• 2:58:14
  struts. So well designed and so well lit
• 2:58:17
  by Duncan Brown when they did the DVD.
• 2:58:23
  A feature, the making of feature, they brought him and
• 2:58:26
  interviewed him. And Those those scenes really
• 2:58:30
  work with those and I know we only see three dialects, but
• 2:58:33
  apart from the fact that my dad used to work with the guy who
• 2:58:36
  plays the felled prime minister or the foul politician.
• 2:58:38
  So that's my my claim to fame. Can I take on one point?
• 2:58:44
  You can you just said there because you said like a lot of
• 2:58:48
  praise for Terry Nation. Tearing to rather bulk of this.
• 2:58:53
  I'm sorry, the bad bones of this is Terry Nation.
• 2:58:56
  He wrote something for this and he wrote some of this, some of
• 2:58:59
  the Labour party but his last group was Planet of the
• 2:59:02
  Darlings, which is full of hackneyed cliche and suddenly
• 2:59:06
  he's right in sharp incisive, witty dialogue, like no way.
• 2:59:12
  It's no coincidence that Robert Holmes is scripted and this is
• 2:59:16
  exactly the same as revelation of the Daleks suddenly, Eric say
• 2:59:20
  was right in dialogue, like that.
• 2:59:21
  When Robert Holmes is basically made, I think, I think, There's
• 2:59:26
  no. Where else in Terrance?
• 2:59:27
  Terry Nation scripts where he rides as sharp as he does in
• 2:59:32
  this story. I think those big long speeches
• 2:59:34
  in five and six and all that, that's all rubber homes.
• 2:59:37
  That's him taking the plot that Nations giving him and he's
• 2:59:41
  giving it a huge polish. It's just too much of a
• 2:59:44
  coincidence. Otherwise now, what on Earth
• 2:59:47
  happened with the Android Invasion or here you are because
• 2:59:49
  that's also Robert home script entity.
• 2:59:51
  And yet that is full of cliche and hat, because I think maybe
• 2:59:54
  Robert Holmes went, we got an awful lot of praise for all that
• 2:59:57
  work. I did on Genesis as a darling's.
• 2:59:59
  So a bit like Moffat, with Nightmare and silver after the
• 3:00:02
  doctor's wife, he went I just let him write this script and
• 3:00:06
  then what he actually is, I don't know.
• 3:00:10
  I just I don't buy it. It's a great script, but I don't
• 3:00:13
  think it's nation's Okay. Should we go to the comments?
• 3:00:19
  Yeah, first Elliott. Something very bossy today.
• 3:00:25
  So no. No, you call being bossy, that's
• 3:00:29
  gonna say it's very, very good. Yes.
• 3:00:31
  So the first comment is from Oscar Groucho.
• 3:00:36
  Who says, one of Dr. Who's Finest Hours, a perfect,
• 3:00:39
  Confluence of style, and retooling, doctors.
• 3:00:42
  Whose greatest foe into a fascistic nightmare, this is the
• 3:00:45
  rise of the axis of the evil seen through genre lands.
• 3:00:50
  David Gillespie Pratt as a crap. Or so say some people who want
• 3:00:54
  to be controversial or as I call them boring, it's a classic for
• 3:00:59
  a reason, some of the finest performances in all Doctor Who
• 3:01:02
  and Tom Baker, here is never better Paul Smyth, this is such
• 3:01:08
  a special story. Michael worship May well be put
• 3:01:11
  in the best guest star performance.
• 3:01:12
  In all of who his davros is magnificent.
• 3:01:15
  It's Grim, horrific and terrifying.
• 3:01:17
  One of the true greats Matt Paddington.
• 3:01:21
  I literally can't think of anything more to say about
• 3:01:24
  Genesis. That hasn't been said a million
• 3:01:25
  times. I know the feeling perhaps a
• 3:01:28
  little long as all six parties are but otherwise it's just
• 3:01:32
  great down. Ross is such a perfect evil
• 3:01:35
  mastermind and nobody ever did it better.
• 3:01:40
  James Lark, as a Genesis is, obviously padded with more than
• 3:01:43
  a few Terry Nation cliches. And those of us who first
• 3:01:46
  experience it as a book or a cassette know that there's a
• 3:01:49
  better version. Even.
• 3:01:51
  So once again, it's a case of this production team taking
• 3:01:53
  something bit rather than making it sing the lesson here is that
• 3:01:57
  The Darlings book best in small doses in the shadows and
• 3:02:01
  explicitly as fascist symbols? They will never be this
• 3:02:04
  chilling. Again, it's exactly what happens
• 3:02:06
  in Revelation or not. Alex, isn't it?
• 3:02:08
  They are in the background. Yeah, Jason Thompson Genesis is
• 3:02:13
  Overexposed, but it's bloody Good, Michael Wisher and Mike,
• 3:02:17
  Peter miles Elevate, the whole thing.
• 3:02:18
  And for once Harry has written, as the hero, he is supposed to
• 3:02:21
  be and not the bumbling imbecile, who got his nose in a
• 3:02:25
  sliding, who caught his nose in a sliding door, in pumpy
• 3:02:28
  barracks. Paul Chrysler.
• 3:02:31
  Like my feelings on caves. My problem is that this is
• 3:02:34
  really great TV. But is it good Doctor Who?
• 3:02:37
  Well it does have Daleks the introduction to have Ross and
• 3:02:40
  some typical Nations silliness. So I do think despite its Grim
• 3:02:43
  tone we never know what just because he'll yeah yeah and I
• 3:02:51
  was excited to see this when it was repeated in 1982.
• 3:02:56
  Get me a big big. Give me an orange.
• 3:03:01
  Give me a Michael. Bless you, Barry.
• 3:03:08
  Let's for challenging Terry Nation to do something different
• 3:03:10
  with the Dalek story. Two, great tastes.
• 3:03:13
  Let's and dicks versus homes in hedgecliff of who's
• 3:03:16
  sensibilities, that taste great together and iconic story with
• 3:03:20
  everyone at the top of their game.
• 3:03:22
  That's all we did, right? It's so, let's fix hard to work
• 3:03:25
  on every story together, and they like this.
• 3:03:28
  Good. Anthony Carroll says, maybe the
• 3:03:32
  best who Davos is so good and cunning a neither is a great
• 3:03:36
  henchmen, just wish to class were better Nine out of 10.
• 3:03:40
  I never give 10 out of 10, how I just wish class were better.
• 3:03:44
  Yeah, I mean the clams does. He mean the clams?
• 3:03:48
  Maybe it's on this print, maybe. Or maybe he just really, really
• 3:03:52
  hates class and needed to get completely unrelated nothing to
• 3:03:59
  do with this bar. Just James H B.
• 3:04:06
  Oh here we go. Nonsensical overly padded poorly
• 3:04:10
  written and horrendous in that. The doctor seems to think that
• 3:04:12
  rewriting the whole universe is sensible.
• 3:04:15
  This story that this story shows that Nation originally reroute
• 3:04:19
  his standard Doctor Who story is because he couldn't actually
• 3:04:22
  write any others been and burn. But it is an enormous fan of the
• 3:04:27
  new adventures, right? Where the doctor most of all in
• 3:04:31
  things. Yeah, on a regular basis.
• 3:04:33
  How we can possibly write those and dismissed this anyway.
• 3:04:37
  So okay. Michael storm says Wisher, /
• 3:04:42
  miles are fantastic, but I can't help wandering.
• 3:04:45
  If it would have been better to leave davros dead at the end of
• 3:04:47
  this cereal highlight of the Season.
• 3:04:49
  Keep Tim Carter. Last something different for the
• 3:04:53
  Daleks, a brilliant story with all of the cars bringing their a
• 3:04:57
  games. Michael wishes performance from
• 3:04:58
  Icy menace to ranting megalomania has never been
• 3:05:01
  bettered. Surely one of the best cities
• 3:05:03
  best performances in who and Harry pulls a lonely clam.
• 3:05:07
  Keep Peter old says, Peter miles is the star here and the whole
• 3:05:12
  thing is beautiful realized and executed it's between this and
• 3:05:15
  art the winner about my sister that.
• 3:05:20
  Yeah, he says to me that thank you.
• 3:05:21
  That's what I wanted to know. That's what I wanted to know.
• 3:05:28
  Travelers are telling me don't have any different usually, so
• 3:05:31
  he's gonna find out now, isn't he listened to this?
• 3:05:39
  Why are you talking about? It was listening up.
• 3:05:42
  So I know that is my wife, Paul, Dan, it's all been said before,
• 3:05:47
  hasn't it not a death performance in it?
• 3:05:49
  Wishes to Davos is Pitch. Perfect, Peter miles is suitably
• 3:05:52
  Sinister. The three regulars, shine
• 3:05:55
  Maloney's direction is as ever is.
• 3:05:58
  Magnificent only Duff thing in it is the clam Luke Sims
• 3:06:03
  Jenkins, says two episodes too long, but it's easily the best.
• 3:06:07
  Dalek story of the 70s, the clan could go into bin.
• 3:06:10
  Keep the rest. John Arnold Genesis is a
• 3:06:13
  terrific production. The imagery of the opening
• 3:06:15
  shots, sells it straight away. And Dave, Michael wishes davros
• 3:06:19
  is worth every single of the praise heaped on it down, the
• 3:06:22
  ears just a shame. It's all trying to polish a
• 3:06:25
  script ropey even by Terry Nation standards.
• 3:06:27
  John Darren lit. Roundels says a strong script
• 3:06:33
  with dedicated production but it will never be a favor as I don't
• 3:06:36
  do. Grim Doctor Who Matt Floyd house
• 3:06:39
  and out classic. The performance is a electric,
• 3:06:41
  the premise ingenious. Well done Barry and Uncle
• 3:06:44
  Terrence for making Nations. Don't do something new and Well
• 3:06:48
  Done homes for free for crafting the dialogue and characters
• 3:06:50
  compared the one-dimensional rancher in Destiny to the
• 3:06:54
  nuanced character here. Glenn Fitzgerald.
• 3:06:57
  Ding dong. Glimp Fitzgerald says, as much
• 3:07:00
  as I love it, I think this is an episode or two too long, but
• 3:07:04
  neither is a great character and the instructor of davros always
• 3:07:07
  makes it worth a watch, but I do feel that drags a bit and might
• 3:07:10
  have been more exciting if it was for episodes.
• 3:07:12
  In my opinion. All Quinn.
• 3:07:14
  All this is bit of controversial, the second most
• 3:07:16
  overrated story of the 70s after the demons three or four
• 3:07:21
  incredible scenes. Yes, I know, Joe trapped in six
• 3:07:24
  and tedious episodes people by mostly Anonymous characters
• 3:07:29
  allowing Davison to dominate, which is appropriate in sets
• 3:07:32
  that are either shiny or beige. Perfect Davos is voice Unlike
• 3:07:38
  the shiny sets, I think they're very good.
• 3:07:40
  And the beige ones, you know, there are only on for one, one
• 3:07:44
  story, one episode. So, there we go.
• 3:07:46
  So, who would like to go next? Okay?
• 3:07:51
  One of my favorite films is downfall.
• 3:07:54
  You probably all, you know, it's German film about the last days
• 3:07:59
  of Hitler in the bunker. Totally.
• 3:08:02
  It's the one I make the means out of you know every time it's
• 3:08:05
  a parody videos where you have them you know they you know
• 3:08:08
  Hitler was heard that, you know, so-and-so has done this and that
• 3:08:12
  renting it It's so this is basically Hitler's last days in
• 3:08:19
  the bunker. You know, we've got the Nazis,
• 3:08:21
  you go, you skip the in that basically, what you've got left
• 3:08:25
  of the Fanatics and the children, which is what you see
• 3:08:28
  in this, you know, you've got the children when they're not,
• 3:08:30
  you know, the younger people there, the Fanatics, the people
• 3:08:34
  are too cowardly to stand up to Hitler, which basically what
• 3:08:38
  that was is, that's what I love it.
• 3:08:40
  I love a lovely. The atmosphere opening ladies
• 3:08:43
  incredible, you can see why Steven Moffat nicked it for just
• 3:08:48
  a princess because I forgot about that.
• 3:08:55
  Oh, gosh. Now it's now I know.
• 3:08:57
  I never remembered it is inspired that.
• 3:08:59
  Can I have been it, please? Because I hate The Magicians.
• 3:09:02
  Apprentice in the witches from earlier.
• 3:09:04
  Oh Dreadful, sorry, surprised to know that I both loved.
• 3:09:10
  I mean, the conclusion, Moffat came to, he wasn't diversity
• 3:09:13
  that dragged out of his chair and left flailing about on the
• 3:09:16
  floor, okay? When his eyes opened as well?
• 3:09:19
  Yeah. So sorry.
• 3:09:23
  Sorry. You know what, you know, he's
• 3:09:26
  like. So what can you say about this
• 3:09:28
  as a being said, you know, but I know you.
• 3:09:31
  I think it's a bit long because I think you know, I think this
• 3:09:34
  could have been a nice You know I think it shows it was a bit
• 3:09:37
  longer the fact that money to you know the reduced it to an LP
• 3:09:41
  and it's still works. You think sometimes?
• 3:09:44
  Then again you know it's it's what it is you know, I think
• 3:09:47
  we've seen it now. We see the evidence or what
• 3:09:50
  happens when they chop things down and you know be careful
• 3:09:54
  what you wish for all sorts of saying neither is brilliant.
• 3:09:57
  I think he's, I think Peter miles is great in all his roles.
• 3:10:00
  Maybe not so much in, you know, I think he's, you know, this is
• 3:10:03
  really, this is just like evil Nazi personified, you know,
• 3:10:06
  she's incredible performance. I don't really like that for us.
• 3:10:11
  I think he I just think he introducing him to me, I think
• 3:10:17
  to me, she's the goal is I can understand when they go in there
• 3:10:20
  because, you know, he's like, who invented these crazy things.
• 3:10:23
  But I just think if it was one and done, I think he should.
• 3:10:26
  I go over some of the comments. I think he shouldn't have come
• 3:10:29
  back as much as I like some of the stories in here.
• 3:10:32
  I'm in two ways about him. So, um, I think no one's been.
• 3:10:38
  I think Steven yardley's great in this so forth.
• 3:10:40
  I think he's really good. I mean, seems to mention him,
• 3:10:43
  you know, he's a bit of a bit of a clue, so he's like the noble
• 3:10:46
  savage, but I think he's really good.
• 3:10:49
  I think, you know, he's an excellent.
• 3:10:50
  You know, I think he's really good.
• 3:10:52
  He's like an interesting character, you know, and I think
• 3:10:54
  you'll like it. I like his relationship with
• 3:10:56
  Sarah. It's like, you know, she's all,
• 3:10:58
  you know they have a really good nice relationship again they
• 3:11:02
  can't the one thing you know we could do a little things.
• 3:11:05
  Just like how come they you know how big a big war it's been on
• 3:11:08
  for thousands of years and the cities are about two minutes
• 3:11:11
  away. Walk away from each other.
• 3:11:12
  Do you have got a lot less heavy Nation for your shows in a, you
• 3:11:18
  know, you know, could play Heavy Nation.
• 3:11:19
  Bingo, all this radio station is but like It's a formula, you
• 3:11:24
  know? Making lots of money.
• 3:11:26
  There's one woman in it. And she doesn't turn up to
• 3:11:31
  episode four and a bit worried that all the cells have been
• 3:11:34
  destroyed in the city, Paul better ends going to be doing a
• 3:11:37
  hell of a lot of love and her Village.
• 3:11:43
  So we got over that as well. Why the time Lords in
• 3:11:46
  interfering like oh, and let's just, I know I understand why is
• 3:11:51
  because to get them in the first place but that's one thing that
• 3:11:54
  noise me about this, you know, they hope the whole thing about
• 3:11:57
  us because the time was going to interfere, We're not gonna win,
• 3:12:01
  it's only based on interfering again, which bugs me but Well,
• 3:12:07
  that's why he calls them a bunch of Hypocrites all the time.
• 3:12:09
  I know exactly. And you know technically I mean
• 3:12:13
  I've seen it said a load of times that this is like the
• 3:12:15
  first step, the first baby step of the time War, isn't it?
• 3:12:20
  Because if I was the Daleks I would be a little bit pissed as
• 3:12:23
  well. Only doing they were, you know,
• 3:12:26
  he's already doing what they want to survive, you know, but
• 3:12:29
  that's the year again. That's sort of the argument that
• 3:12:31
  all these perfect sort of, you know, bad thing we're going, you
• 3:12:35
  know that Is this whole white genocide thing that Elon Musk
• 3:12:39
  presents it going. Well, we have to protect, you
• 3:12:41
  know, the whites are being destroyed in South Africa.
• 3:12:44
  We got to protect our own, which is a myth and it's obvious of,
• 3:12:47
  but they do that. You know, it's the all extreme
• 3:12:50
  is through this. So well, we're only doing it
• 3:12:52
  took, you know, it's a whole Nazi philosophy.
• 3:12:54
  You know, we're trying but only trying to survive, you were
• 3:12:57
  attacked us first. We're only trying to survive,
• 3:12:59
  you know, even if we're doing it for your own good.
• 3:13:02
  Exactly. You know, nothing changes.
• 3:13:05
  So that's why she was saying earlier, you know, the whole,
• 3:13:08
  you know, it costs a long shot and it's still going to come
• 3:13:13
  back and it's a bit worrying. But surely, this is the most
• 3:13:15
  second world war Doctor Who story ever like impossibility
• 3:13:19
  because of it's because of that Force, you know, he's obviously
• 3:13:23
  Hitler about so, You know, you even got Peter miles wearing his
• 3:13:29
  eye and cross which is but worrying, the fact that Ipsy is
• 3:13:32
  personal lion cross, but with you know, on the behind the
• 3:13:36
  surface, well our Dipper specifically say to them don't
• 3:13:41
  don't try and make them look too, like the Nazis.
• 3:13:44
  And then he saw the rushes coming nearly where it was too
• 3:13:47
  late now and it You know Peter Mars comes in when he's him like
• 3:13:51
  glasses you think? Oh then never mind.
• 3:13:53
  But yeah this is this is the big this is so he's basically This
• 3:13:58
  is this is the last. You know, this is Hitler's.
• 3:14:01
  Last stand in the Surrounding himself with, you know, that,
• 3:14:06
  you know, the fanatic, the children and the people are too
• 3:14:10
  scared to one away. And they used this politicians
• 3:14:14
  and the, you know, it's even like, you can even say it's like
• 3:14:17
  the belt, you know, you've got. You've got Valkyrie cool going
• 3:14:20
  on. When they would decide to like,
• 3:14:21
  you know, we're going to satisfy me stand up to him and me out
• 3:14:25
  with his sister. Okay, sure.
• 3:14:26
  So, this is the most, you know, Obvious that.
• 3:14:31
  Um, I'm going to put it through because I don't people think you
• 3:14:36
  can. It's one of those ones.
• 3:14:41
  It's like, I had more fun watching the Cyber and I did
• 3:14:44
  this, but this is not supposed to be fun.
• 3:14:45
  This is not be fun. This is not fun, you know, you
• 3:14:50
  know, we can say, you know, you can find cute bear.
• 3:14:52
  You can find humor in most in nearly every situation you have
• 3:14:55
  to even if it's a very bright fume, when you go you can say
• 3:14:58
  well you've got Tom been strangled by tentacles, she's
• 3:15:03
  absolutely, you know, there's some, you know, there's some
• 3:15:05
  bits like that. This is not fun.
• 3:15:07
  This is not fun Doctor Who As you would put this down and go
• 3:15:11
  on and cheering. I don't know what that looks
• 3:15:14
  like. You know, if that cheers you up.
• 3:15:16
  Well, Only Anthony Carroll. Okay, so that's all the death
• 3:15:23
  penalty this But I'm gonna put it through.
• 3:15:29
  And it's got another tiny train which Delights me as well as
• 3:15:40
  well. It's one of those and we're just
• 3:15:42
  SATs and gold on him. No, no.
• 3:15:45
  Yeah, it's going for it. Okay, who would like to go next.
• 3:15:48
  So I'll go next. Okay.
• 3:15:51
  I will say something original about Genesis of the Daleks, or
• 3:15:55
  at least I've never heard it before.
• 3:15:56
  I'm allergic to Crustaceans. So, those enormous clams that
• 3:16:01
  attack people. That is the most terrifying
• 3:16:03
  monster in Doctor Who ever for me, all right.
• 3:16:06
  That's what they give. You a terrible swelling.
• 3:16:09
  I don't know. But Jesus Christ, just the
• 3:16:12
  thought of enormous clams coming after me because I sorry joints
• 3:16:18
  were definitely a thing in cartoons in the possibly in the
• 3:16:23
  70s that I was watching on repeats.
• 3:16:25
  But any any thing where somebody one of the characters goes
• 3:16:32
  diving Get it caught in a giant clam was definitely a thing
• 3:16:36
  underwater. Yes, not above, great job and I
• 3:16:39
  oysters as well because usually find a massive great Pearl in
• 3:16:42
  them and you carry nation's been reading those comics and but
• 3:16:46
  yeah, so that's the clams. There are this silly but no less
• 3:16:52
  silly than, you know, enormous instincts, giant robots and big
• 3:16:57
  Camp flouncy Cybermen, you know, less silly than anything else
• 3:17:02
  this season while some are experiment is Brutal.
• 3:17:09
  I think the real sort of brutalist Philippines here.
• 3:17:13
  Well that opening scene in slow motion of people being gunned
• 3:17:18
  down. I mean, it's really strong
• 3:17:21
  stuff. I'll be the first person to say
• 3:17:23
  there are times in Moffitt's era where Should you put a kid down
• 3:17:27
  in front of that? I think there's a few moments
• 3:17:29
  here as well. The scene where Sarah's at the
• 3:17:32
  top of the rocket and the man kicks are over and suggests.
• 3:17:36
  It's going to let her go. I mean, that is so adult that's
• 3:17:39
  a scene I think. Maybe we are going a bit too
• 3:17:43
  far. Maybe marry White House has a
• 3:17:45
  point. Good grief.
• 3:17:47
  You know, there's gun battles. This little beating
• 3:17:50
  strangulation electrician psychological torture.
• 3:17:54
  It's really strong stuff. Fucking love it.
• 3:17:59
  But I was like a kid. I loved it like I adored it but
• 3:18:02
  yeah, it is a lot. I loved afros.
• 3:18:08
  Of course I do davros, like, it's the definitive diverse, and
• 3:18:11
  he's a definitive character because we never forgot him.
• 3:18:14
  Did we? Like there are many characters
• 3:18:17
  that were like one short characters that come in, don't
• 3:18:20
  make an impact and we forget about, we never had, you know,
• 3:18:22
  the Run of Zaroff stories. Did we even know?
• 3:18:25
  I know Lucy. We love professors are off and
• 3:18:28
  he is fabulous, but we won't crying out for those who were we
• 3:18:32
  but no, Dave Ross is, it's an incredible.
• 3:18:35
  Incredible thing, Michael Wisher.
• 3:18:38
  Is it the best ever? I love Molloy in Revelation of
• 3:18:42
  the Daleks and he gives some brilliant performers over at Big
• 3:18:45
  finish as well. And Julian bleach doesn't quite
• 3:18:49
  get the material where she gets here but he is good but wish him
• 3:18:53
  out. He's so involved in the role
• 3:18:55
  that in the rehearsals. He stuck a paper bag over his
• 3:18:58
  head with a pair of eyes and said, oh no, just a paper bag.
• 3:19:01
  Over his head. Poor Philippines for Robert
• 3:19:04
  Holmes. Probably had to leave the
• 3:19:05
  rehearsal hall because the wishes they are playing the role
• 3:19:08
  with a bag over his head. I mean he's just in that room,
• 3:19:11
  isn't he? And the bit, I love all the
• 3:19:14
  ranting scenes are great, you know that I love.
• 3:19:20
  But the scene where in I think it's five or six.
• 3:19:24
  It's later in the story and it's complete silence.
• 3:19:28
  The camera swings around, and defrost is sitting there in the
• 3:19:31
  dark and you can hear gunfire rattling in the distance and
• 3:19:34
  he's just tapping his finger on his wheelchair.
• 3:19:38
  And it's it's a side of a village.
• 3:19:40
  You just don't get to see being 4 for manipulative and he's just
• 3:19:44
  wonderful. He's so great and then you team
• 3:19:47
  him up with Peter's nighter. It's it's the definitive
• 3:19:52
  henchmen and villain. I think A another reason I love
• 3:19:57
  this, I think Maloney pushes the production as far as you
• 3:20:00
  possibly can. He sells that absurd sequence of
• 3:20:05
  them climbing up to the top of the rocket and shooting that all
• 3:20:09
  on film. Having them going up the same
• 3:20:11
  bit of scaffolding, again and again, but from different
• 3:20:13
  angles, the way it's lit. So beautifully the way when
• 3:20:17
  they're at the top and they look down the whole thing.
• 3:20:20
  It convinces me, as a kid, I was absolutely convinced as to what
• 3:20:23
  was happening, but the action is great as well.
• 3:20:26
  And then when we go down into the bunker for five and six, It
• 3:20:31
  does feel very claustrophobic doesn't it feels like just the
• 3:20:35
  whole situation is closing in on everybody and who the fuck's
• 3:20:39
  gonna be Left Alive because people lost still die.
• 3:20:42
  And when they start arguing amongst themselves and down
• 3:20:45
  Frost, and literally is a trial to show who's on his side and
• 3:20:51
  who's not. And then murdered everybody
• 3:20:53
  else. There's a powerful sense of
• 3:20:56
  claustrophobia and those last two episodes.
• 3:20:59
  I just think is nevertheless. I'm like Joe though.
• 3:21:03
  I would never put this on. I never put this on, actually.
• 3:21:05
  I can't think the last time I watched Genesis before doing it
• 3:21:08
  for this because you know you don't come home with the end
• 3:21:12
  today. Go off we want to watch Mass
• 3:21:13
  murdered tonight that'll be jolly.
• 3:21:15
  I really want to see Sarah, Jane tortured horribly.
• 3:21:18
  And But hey, it's amazing Telly. It's great.
• 3:21:22
  It's not just great Doctor Who is great television.
• 3:21:24
  So yeah, please please. Can we put this through?
• 3:21:27
  Just for every reason you guys said for everything, everyone
• 3:21:30
  said in the comments for every heaping of, Praise everyone,
• 3:21:34
  that's ever given Genesis to the Daleks it deserves.
• 3:21:38
  It, it's fantastic. It's iconic, and people overuse
• 3:21:42
  that word, but this is genuinely iconic.
• 3:21:44
  Elliot, would you like to Tell us.
• 3:21:48
  Are you going to pin it? Or you going to be?
• 3:21:52
  Well, I yeah I have I have talked previously about I would
• 3:21:56
  say reputation, you know the the stories the fandom that people
• 3:22:02
  talk about is the good ones. Thought the best that ever did
• 3:22:05
  it the ones that you usually bit darker because we're all ashamed
• 3:22:08
  of having fun but this is still incredible.
• 3:22:12
  Absolutely incredible. And I think the reason that this
• 3:22:15
  is so good is because it's the exception, not the rule, you
• 3:22:18
  couldn't do this. Every time we had a dollar
• 3:22:20
  store, you can do one of these every season.
• 3:22:23
  But having it as essentially, a one-off in in the grimness of
• 3:22:27
  the story, really? Really It makes it something
• 3:22:30
  memorable and and special, I think it's definitely.
• 3:22:36
  Okay if we're being generous and saying that it is Jerry Nations
• 3:22:39
  script is the best thing that he's produced for the show in my
• 3:22:44
  opinion. Since the chase, it's the most
• 3:22:51
  the two completely different tones, but it's the most
• 3:22:53
  original bit of Terry Nation writing since the chase is,
• 3:22:59
  Something that I I've definitely gone back and forth on we
• 3:23:02
  reviewed it. Not so long ago for come along
• 3:23:07
  Ponder, the podcast that I do and I was really worried about
• 3:23:09
  going. Back to it.
• 3:23:11
  But I did really, really enjoy the enjoy watching it.
• 3:23:20
  And same thing as kind of worried about going back to this
• 3:23:22
  time and I think because I watched it so close to the last
• 3:23:25
  time I watched it I don't think I I loved it as much as I did
• 3:23:29
  buy. I think that's because you know
• 3:23:30
  if it doesn't sound too granddaughter story like it's
• 3:23:33
  something that kind of I think needs to be appreciated.
• 3:23:35
  So it's a, it's a fight. It's a fine wine.
• 3:23:38
  You've got a sip. It occasionally not not just
• 3:23:40
  glad it down like a, like the squash that I had in this glass
• 3:23:44
  over here. But no, everyone everyone's
• 3:23:48
  firing on all cylinders. I mean, I agree that davros I
• 3:23:52
  don't think should ever really have been been bought back.
• 3:23:55
  The he does so. So well here and I think later
• 3:23:59
  on it does on the bind, the idea of the of the Daleks but I think
• 3:24:02
  in this the story it's perfectly good series.
• 3:24:05
  See the creator of Michael Wisher is incredible but overall
• 3:24:10
  I think it's just It just looks beautiful.
• 3:24:13
  I know we talked about this, the opening scene in the Quarry and
• 3:24:17
  I do, I do think that looks amazing for me.
• 3:24:20
  The the trench set is is the real impressive bit of work.
• 3:24:28
  Just because I don't know. I love how I love how atmosphere
• 3:24:31
  it that looks and they get really creative with it later on
• 3:24:34
  my favorite. One of my favorite shots in all
• 3:24:36
  of Doctor Who is that low angle of the darling in must be.
• 3:24:40
  Is it four or five? Isn't it with colors with the
• 3:24:42
  yeah purple and blues and pinks like for the for the sky and
• 3:24:46
  it's just incredible making that conscious effort to shoot the
• 3:24:49
  dark. Some relying to make them look,
• 3:24:50
  intimidating is just such a such a good choice that I can't
• 3:24:57
  believe it. And I would be remiss.
• 3:25:00
  There's lots of good lines. I'd be remiss, just because
• 3:25:03
  mentioning my little pocket, so I didn't mention that.
• 3:25:05
  The moment that we enjoyed most is when Dave Ross and the doctor
• 3:25:10
  have a little wrestle. And the doctor grabs Dave, Ross
• 3:25:13
  his arm and he kind of sits in silence for about two seconds,
• 3:25:16
  and then just goes Release Me. For the understatement.
• 3:25:23
  You gotta, you gotta find some lightness in.
• 3:25:25
  Yeah, in the darkness but no, I, I think so.
• 3:25:28
  It worked it works perfectly because it's the exception, not
• 3:25:31
  the rule, you can do this all the time, but it definitely has
• 3:25:36
  a reputation that's worthy of itself.
• 3:25:39
  So no, I I love Genesis the darks and I'm going to keep it
• 3:25:42
  great. So it's a Chase.
• 3:25:44
  I mean you can barely tell the difference between the two.
• 3:25:46
  Can you Polar Opposites? But yeah, it's definitely.
• 3:25:50
  Yeah, but two of the best doll stories of all time.
• 3:25:52
  Oh, can you imagine Genesis by Richard?
• 3:25:57
  oh, the dog. Oh yeah, like it's a bit of the
• 3:26:10
  bunker with us where Frankenstein and drag.
• 3:26:11
  I was I yeah, I'd love it. Imagine at the end you could
• 3:26:15
  just go there. Oh, did oh, Lucy, can you give
• 3:26:24
  us your your view, please? Firstly, Justice for clams.
• 3:26:27
  As I just said, yeah, I do find the idea of giant times.
• 3:26:33
  Unnerving. And I, I think it's probably the
• 3:26:36
  clams are once again, a victim of this sort of The two poles of
• 3:26:42
  Doctor Who fandom is the people who carry the residual,
• 3:26:47
  embarrassment or people seeing Doctor Who and going, oh, that's
• 3:26:51
  a bit rubbish and wanting it to be serious.
• 3:26:54
  And you know, this is what Dr. Who should be about it should be
• 3:26:57
  about serious things and people with guns and shooting and
• 3:27:00
  killing and and grimness and there's a giant clam.
• 3:27:04
  Why is this giant clam in my? Because it's Doctor Who and
• 3:27:07
  there are things that I like about it a lot.
• 3:27:12
  I like that. We get to see who Harry really
• 3:27:14
  is underneath the, the sort of the banter and the silly Nest.
• 3:27:19
  We get to picture of him as quite convincing in that he is,
• 3:27:24
  you know, lighthearted and jolly Bart.
• 3:27:27
  He is also capable of being absolutely cool Under Pressure.
• 3:27:31
  He saved the doctor from my mind, whether that's how mine's
• 3:27:35
  actually work. Like, I don't know but it's how
• 3:27:37
  they work on the Telly. So that's right sequence.
• 3:27:39
  So there is Burning Secrets. Yeah, but, you know, he's Brave.
• 3:27:45
  He just step back home and goes, no, not stepping back.
• 3:27:49
  That's his job. This is something suddenly we
• 3:27:51
  get to see Harry doing actually doing his job, which is to be a
• 3:27:56
  member of the Armed Forces and to be calm under pressure.
• 3:27:58
  And we also have that later on where the doctor is going to
• 3:28:03
  potentially lay the charges at the door of the quote, unquote
• 3:28:07
  nursery. And how are you just very
• 3:28:09
  calmly? Setting a fuse while talking
• 3:28:13
  here. It's just like he knows how to
• 3:28:25
  do this, he's done this 100 times, he's paying attention to
• 3:28:28
  it but he can talk to her at the same time and also the part
• 3:28:30
  where he says to the doctor the doctor actually the roles are
• 3:28:34
  kind of reverse because the doctor's going but the time ring
• 3:28:37
  it's important how he said. Yeah.
• 3:28:38
  But we don't want them to know that, do we?
• 3:28:42
  And and kind of turns that on its head and he gets a little
• 3:28:46
  bit of action, too. I like that, I really like
• 3:28:48
  silver and it shows. So I think he's very good, very
• 3:28:51
  engaging character. You do get the whole And again,
• 3:28:56
  because we've looked back at things with a sort of, more
• 3:28:58
  modern, I I'm going to do the same with this.
• 3:29:01
  We get the uncomfortable thing of all, the mutants are terrible
• 3:29:04
  and horrific. Oh no, but actually he's quite
• 3:29:06
  good-looking, that's a bit. I mean, it would have been
• 3:29:09
  perhaps a slightly better way of putting it to have a mutant who
• 3:29:13
  looked visibly different to humanoids, and then have them be
• 3:29:17
  a decent person as well. Maybe, I don't know.
• 3:29:20
  There's the question of Javis is, I mean I I found avros um
• 3:29:26
  very frightening, but my dad Ross was obviously Terry Malloy
• 3:29:30
  and I found him very frightening partly because of the way he
• 3:29:33
  looked which is very old. We don't know despite comic
• 3:29:40
  relief records, we still don't know what daffodils were the
• 3:29:43
  Devils had always looked. Like that with the the he's he's
• 3:29:50
  circumstances are a result of his experimentation.
• 3:29:55
  Or radiation poisoning or whatever.
• 3:29:58
  So you get this kind of and I know it matters to some people,
• 3:30:03
  it matters in a different way to other people. but there is the
• 3:30:07
  question of Whether the his lack of Mobility is a kind of whether
• 3:30:14
  he earned that from his experiments.
• 3:30:17
  And so, you know, the scientists who plays God ends up, Which is
• 3:30:21
  not a comfortable thing to think about these days.
• 3:30:23
  And it's been addressed, RTD, tried to address it possibly a
• 3:30:27
  bit clumsily and that brought out a whole other side of
• 3:30:29
  Bangor. Um, yeah.
• 3:30:32
  I also think that probably because I didn't watch this when
• 3:30:35
  I was a child, I can imagine that watching this as a younger
• 3:30:40
  person. You would think it would be
• 3:30:43
  inclined to think if he was special, if you were serious,
• 3:30:45
  want this to be serious, you know?
• 3:30:46
  Oh wow. They're doing Nazis, it's
• 3:30:48
  brilliant. It's really serious.
• 3:30:50
  I watch it and go flip in it. That's a bit on the nose, isn't
• 3:30:52
  it? It's, I know it's designed for
• 3:30:56
  young people, but the uniforms are just too much for me now,
• 3:31:03
  but then I'm not the intended audience.
• 3:31:06
  I'm at all. So, what's lovely lift?
• 3:31:09
  Tenant group are doing their torturing people and enjoying it
• 3:31:13
  because that was the first time I saw, it's dead.
• 3:31:16
  Oh, And I should have just got off in my little tank.
• 3:31:24
  Also, do you know, the guy who's who, who hangs Sarah top of the
• 3:31:28
  rocket is General Van Cleef and his name?
• 3:31:31
  Yes. So different is there.
• 3:31:33
  You never could? Yeah, really know.
• 3:31:35
  He also plays Marathon Planet Of The Darlings.
• 3:31:38
  They could actually, yes, they would be different.
• 3:31:40
  There is a slightly more And yes, he is in Warfare terrible.
• 3:31:54
  Things are done by either side, but the other side in this case,
• 3:31:58
  all are supposedly not seed. Stroke, Daleks So it's kind of
• 3:32:04
  you know, I mean it I don't know I don't know where I'm going
• 3:32:07
  with this. Really.
• 3:32:07
  I am gonna keep it because I like Daleks, I like what it
• 3:32:11
  does. I like what he does with Harry's
• 3:32:12
  character. Particularly I don't feel that
• 3:32:15
  all those Sierra does have some good stuff with severing.
• 3:32:17
  I don't feel like she's kind of unique as much.
• 3:32:20
  I like better and a lot. I also I I imagine that there
• 3:32:24
  were other sort of little patrols of told about souls
• 3:32:27
  about the place that might, perhaps have all women in the
• 3:32:30
  movie led by women. So yeah, relationship that she
• 3:32:35
  builds with severing as well because she's suspicious on him
• 3:32:38
  too, to start with. Yeah, Peter miles, I don't know.
• 3:32:45
  It's it's again that kind of for me, he's he's depiction of Noida
• 3:32:51
  tips. It over into slightly overcooked
• 3:32:53
  territory. When some of the others aren't
• 3:32:56
  quite. So, and that I know, that's just
• 3:32:58
  how Peter miles acts now because I've seen him in other things,
• 3:33:00
  doing effectively a similar persona but the first time I
• 3:33:05
  watched it, I thought. Oh, That's, that's taking a
• 3:33:08
  little over to there. Are some Kind of philosophical
• 3:33:12
  arguments. The doctor says, if you could,
• 3:33:14
  if you had a thing that you could just draw the whole of the
• 3:33:16
  universe with, would you do it? And he goes, oh yeah, of course,
• 3:33:19
  because I'm a megalomaniac. Oh, and then that way the doctor
• 3:33:23
  knows that he's completely nuts and, and he's definitely a
• 3:33:27
  wrong. And then the doctor can't decide
• 3:33:30
  whether or not to do in the Daleks and he decides he's going
• 3:33:32
  to and then it gets taken out of his hands and done anyway.
• 3:33:35
  So really it doesn't matter and I do find the whole time Ring
• 3:33:40
  Thing a bit. It's kind of it's it's sleeping
• 3:33:43
  over a little bit into magic like the time lord appearing.
• 3:33:48
  Apparently out of nowhere in a bowl of hat and Overcoat or
• 3:33:51
  standing in media. Doesn't he appear in mid-air in
• 3:33:54
  one story? Is it this one or another one
• 3:33:56
  there? And that's, I mean, I like
• 3:34:01
  magic. And I like science fiction.
• 3:34:04
  If there's going to be magic in science fiction, I like it to
• 3:34:09
  have a sort of Science Fiction. He bobbins explanation.
• 3:34:12
  Rather knows me. I'm sorry.
• 3:34:14
  Sorry. Annoys me about that is not a
• 3:34:19
  ring. It's a bracelet.
• 3:34:20
  I so I'm so potentially about that.
• 3:34:25
  I just thinking going to ring. It's a bracelet.
• 3:34:28
  I know a time bracelet. Hasn't got the same ring to it.
• 3:34:33
  Every nation looks at then goes all.
• 3:34:36
  That's a good idea. A bracelet that can transfer
• 3:34:38
  transfer teleport people from one place to be about the demons
• 3:34:46
  is that is definitely not a sacrificial tabard.
• 3:34:49
  It's a dress or a gown. A tap odd has open side and fits
• 3:34:53
  over the head. And you see, they do have an
• 3:34:57
  explanation for the Magic in the demons.
• 3:34:59
  Exactly a rational. I don't mind, I don't mind.
• 3:35:03
  I read stories with magic in and I restore.
• 3:35:05
  But when the two mesh together, I kind of, because of the way,
• 3:35:08
  my mom works. I kind of like to keep them in
• 3:35:10
  separate boxes. So the time lord appearing out
• 3:35:12
  of nowhere. Feels like magic.
• 3:35:14
  The time ring stroke bracelet Feels like magic.
• 3:35:18
  So I don't know, but yeah, I'm gonna put it through anyway
• 3:35:20
  after just bubbling on know. So I mean I'd like, verbal away,
• 3:35:25
  what you said there about you sort of you know, it takes Takes
• 3:35:29
  your thoughts to sort of uncomfortable places thinking
• 3:35:31
  about the substance of the story.
• 3:35:34
  But there's not that many doctors stories that are this
• 3:35:38
  layered and can provide such, you know, provoking Force as
• 3:35:43
  well. So it's doing something
• 3:35:45
  interesting. It's depends sort of where you
• 3:35:47
  fall on either side of the arguments that are taking place.
• 3:35:51
  Yeah. And I'm almost not sure how much
• 3:35:53
  it meant to because there is a waist, the question if intention
• 3:35:58
  behind it. And I'm sure the intention of
• 3:36:00
  davros was no more than He will be he'd he'd dearly quote
• 3:36:06
  unquote, ugly. This will possibly be to an
• 3:36:09
  experiment. He did will leave it up to the
• 3:36:11
  viewer. The mutants will be not mutants,
• 3:36:14
  they'll actually be decent looking people and that will
• 3:36:16
  surprise the audience. So it's not I'm putting a view.
• 3:36:19
  I'm putting a more modern view on to it which we can't help but
• 3:36:22
  do now, right? He wasn't there in the first
• 3:36:25
  place. So I'm not sort of taking it on
• 3:36:26
  its own terms and Michael wishes performance is really very good,
• 3:36:30
  of course, and very new ones for for somebody who could not had
• 3:36:34
  no movement in his character and very little expression in his
• 3:36:38
  face and I can completely understand the paper bag thing.
• 3:36:40
  Because that's it easy projecting from inside of
• 3:36:43
  paperback. But I did I saw Terry Molloy at
• 3:36:48
  another event and he was talking about the mosque and he said,
• 3:36:51
  when When he was doing it and presumably Michael where she was
• 3:36:56
  doing it, it was sort of set in one so you pulled it on over
• 3:36:59
  your head. It was complete.
• 3:37:01
  Not like these days where they would layer on.
• 3:37:04
  Plastic onto your face. So he said, because it was
• 3:37:08
  molded on his face. It actually wasn't that
• 3:37:11
  uncomfortable to wear, but the funniest thing was that somebody
• 3:37:15
  said oh what was it like with the mask and he went?
• 3:37:16
  Oh well of course this is the mask.
• 3:37:18
  You know, you said the mallard a frost really scared you?
• 3:37:23
  Yeah, he really scared me too but for different reasons, he
• 3:37:26
  really looks like my nanny Steptoe.
• 3:37:28
  The frost just imagine. Like I saw a purple rinse on the
• 3:37:32
  top. For my man look like we're up,
• 3:37:35
  sorry. Okay.
• 3:37:37
  Well, well on that note and Genesis possibly unsurprisingly
• 3:37:42
  goes into the final round but we're still.
• 3:37:45
  So we got some Moments of, you know, it wasn't all conquering
• 3:37:51
  argument saying it wasn't. No, no, I think that's quite
• 3:37:54
  yeah, definitely a quite a not contentious, but yeah,
• 3:38:00
  definitely, definitely willing to think about So we got three
• 3:38:04
  stories for our final round Arcane space.
• 3:38:08
  Genesis of the Daleks and robot. Now, I've never done this random
• 3:38:12
  generator thing before. I was so tempted, just to write
• 3:38:16
  it. Write the names down on three,
• 3:38:17
  four, five. I have that version.
• 3:38:19
  Oh, is it yeah Frozen. Yeah.
• 3:38:21
  Oh okay. So Joe if you got your camp
• 3:38:25
  music ah cup music a go, so, so to begin the first round of
• 3:38:33
  round two, we have Arcane space. Versus.
• 3:38:49
  Genesis of the Daleks. Joe.
• 3:38:55
  Without me. Talking space.
• 3:38:59
  Okay. Joe with an e.
• 3:39:05
  Oh, okay, spice. Elliot.
• 3:39:11
  I want to be I want to be different, but I I'm Ark in
• 3:39:15
  space. You see?
• 3:39:22
  Despite all I've just said I'm actually gonna say Genesis at
• 3:39:25
  all. It's because I think it's more
• 3:39:27
  fully formed as the story and there are there's more
• 3:39:35
  characters to engage with whether you like them or not,
• 3:39:38
  there's more sense of yeah, the arc is cluster phobic. but with
• 3:39:45
  Genesis, you get that but you also get a sense of a kind of
• 3:39:50
  society that you don't really get with all.
• 3:39:52
  So I I'm gonna say Genesis just sort of reflects I would have
• 3:39:58
  said Genesis. So, It wasn't too, but yeah, I
• 3:40:01
  would have either one of those. So Genesis gets the bronze to
• 3:40:07
  see your Series in 20. Space versus robots.
• 3:40:14
  Let's go and reverse order this time.
• 3:40:20
  Lucy, what would you go for? I, I do, like, I do like robot,
• 3:40:26
  I largely because I like the robot.
• 3:40:28
  I'm going to say, however, arcing space because there are
• 3:40:36
  more things I dislike about robot than I disliked about
• 3:40:40
  arcing space. So, I'm gonna say our kids
• 3:40:43
  space. okay, Elliot robot. Why.
• 3:40:52
  Okay? Explain yourself.
• 3:40:55
  I I I know it's all when I went into the city, I saw knew what I
• 3:41:02
  liked to what, I didn't like, but robot, I don't know.
• 3:41:05
  It's just the one that stuck most in my head and obviously,
• 3:41:08
  shouldn't all be done, based off.
• 3:41:10
  We watch ability because like it's a Genesis is not
• 3:41:12
  necessarily watchable, but it's really good, but it's the one
• 3:41:16
  that I would I would just reach for to watch straight away.
• 3:41:20
  You know, I think this is a very comforting season of talk too
• 3:41:22
  and that is the most comforting one for me, I think it's for a
• 3:41:26
  normal and funny, and silly and it's everything I look for in
• 3:41:29
  Doctor Who Joe with an e. Well, did you like, it's a bit
• 3:41:37
  tough because if I was having a bad day, I would come over and I
• 3:41:41
  would put on robot because it is just a blood.
• 3:41:43
  All the things you've just said this silly and saying Farm, you
• 3:41:47
  know, ridiculous just wonderfully over ambitious
• 3:41:51
  special effects just bomb. Um, and if I wanted to come home
• 3:41:56
  and watch, I just a really brilliant slice of Doctor Who I
• 3:41:59
  would put on the Ark in space because it is a few dodgy
• 3:42:03
  effects aside peelers but I'm gonna go for robot because I
• 3:42:09
  just don't think we have enough female Nazis wearing Deirdre
• 3:42:13
  Barlow, glasses, it Doctor, Who and that's my only reason, I
• 3:42:18
  think this winter is a great villain.
• 3:42:20
  She is great. Okay, so that's two for robot.
• 3:42:26
  Would you like me to go next to? Would you like to go next?
• 3:42:32
  Oh, you go next. Okay.
• 3:42:37
  I'm going to go. I'm going to go for Arc in
• 3:42:42
  space. oh, because if we're going to be talking about strong
• 3:42:47
  female characters, I think Via is a much better performance.
• 3:42:53
  I'm not saying that Patricia Maynard is, doesn't give a good
• 3:42:56
  performance because she does but I think there's there are
• 3:43:00
  definitely times when she's really Purposefully Hamming, it
• 3:43:05
  up a little bit and I think Wendy Williams is one of those
• 3:43:09
  performance is which is really and undervalued. and, Also
• 3:43:18
  there's no CSO tanks in Arkham space, but there is the there is
• 3:43:23
  the bubble wrap it. Now, I'm gonna go for Arc In
• 3:43:25
  Space if no other reason to create this false Jeopardy, and
• 3:43:29
  get everybody guessing his who's gonna win, which one's gonna
• 3:43:32
  win. Joe before we go on can I just
• 3:43:35
  say mother? I feel sick then for the doctor
• 3:43:40
  quick. Quick, quick, quick. my oldest
• 3:43:52
  friend is called the I've known him since I was 11 so it's a
• 3:43:56
  very long time. And somehow.
• 3:44:00
  The late 80s. Like you don't, I don't know
• 3:44:07
  how. and, He also became friends with her daughter who I think we
• 3:44:13
  all know ended up in EastEnders. Oh yeah, Hannah.
• 3:44:17
  Yeah, Hannah Waterman you could tell she was quite young because
• 3:44:22
  she tried to get up with my friend.
• 3:44:23
  Dean who is not the sort of person.
• 3:44:26
  Scandal. Yes, so just like Dean was not
• 3:44:32
  interested. That's not the reason I'm gonna
• 3:44:45
  I like them both, if you get more different, you know, you
• 3:44:49
  are basically once the end of the year.
• 3:44:51
  So Excellent in so many ways. I've got one question for you,
• 3:45:02
  Joe. I got one question for you to
• 3:45:05
  have in your hand the power. To chew.
• 3:45:09
  I know. Would you do it?
• 3:45:14
  Oh, what the hell? Robot?
• 3:45:16
  Yeah. Would you like a Chili baby?
• 3:45:37
  I had to do it, you know? Yes, yes.
• 3:45:40
  I know it was insane and it did terrible things but At first, it
• 3:45:47
  was so humid. It was a wonderful creature
• 3:45:49
  capable of great good. And great evil.
• 3:45:54
  Yes. I think you could say she was
• 3:45:56
  human. You know what you need is a
• 3:46:00
  change. How about a little trip in a
• 3:46:02
  tardis? I'm dust off.
• 3:46:03
  You can't just go why not? It's a free Cosmos it's the big
• 3:46:07
  idea. What's me to address the
• 3:46:09
  cabinet. I've learned that Downing Street
• 3:46:11
  dinner at the palace and write 17 reports in triplicate.
• 3:46:14
  Well, I won't do it. I won't I won't I won't I
• 3:46:19
  should, of course I am. There's no point in being grown
• 3:46:24
  up. If you can't be childish,
• 3:46:25
  sometimes are you coming? Oh, what are you two up to now
• 3:46:45
  we're just going on a little trip.
• 3:46:47
  Would you like a Jelly Baby? Little trip Odell.
• 3:46:51
  Please box. yes, as a matter of fact, in that old police box,
• 3:46:55
  Come along. Now, doctor, we're both
• 3:46:56
  reasonable men and we both know that police boxes.
• 3:46:59
  Don't go careering around all over the place.
• 3:47:01
  Do we? Of course we do.
• 3:47:02
  The whole idea is upset, is it? You wouldn't like to step inside
• 3:47:07
  the moment, just to demonstrate that it is all in lose.
• 3:47:10
  Well, if you think it'll do any good oh yes, it will make me
• 3:47:12
  feel a lot better. And you go.
• 3:47:19
  Right. oh, come on, you know me my Oh my God.
• 3:47:37
  Every so ridiculous. Or worthy.
• 3:47:40
  I go for the ridiculous every time I have no issue with that
• 3:47:44
  because I'm gonna be that I would have been happy to let any
• 3:47:48
  of these with the least contentious.
• 3:47:50
  Strictly we've had, there's no, yes, huge arguments are not
• 3:47:55
  straight up. I would have been happy for any
• 3:47:58
  of them to win, honestly. I absolutely none of any I want
• 3:48:02
  to be in this, you know, I wouldn't have gone but hell if
• 3:48:05
  any of them would want a lot of people, you know.
• 3:48:09
  So but I'm, you know, I would have been happy hour away, you
• 3:48:13
  know, I could have been tomorrow if you asked me I might say.
• 3:48:16
  Oh, but today I said Honestly, a lot of my, as well, as a lot of
• 3:48:20
  my doctor who Journey being watching, something and saying,
• 3:48:24
  oh, I quite enjoyed that. And then reading that.
• 3:48:26
  It's absolutely the worst thing ever since the creation of the
• 3:48:28
  earth is watering something that I think.
• 3:48:31
  Yeah. That was.
• 3:48:33
  All right, I quite enjoyed that and then reading that it's an
• 3:48:35
  absolute all conquering, magical classic.
• 3:48:38
  That's so much better than the thing that I also quite enjoyed
• 3:48:42
  and thinking, well, I'm not that, I'm so person, you know?
• 3:48:46
  I always say, oh, everyone, everyone's gonna watch this.
• 3:48:49
  It must watch it. And I sort of go.
• 3:48:50
  I put my hackles up and go. Well, I don't like, I just like
• 3:48:54
  being told I don't like being told what I should like, that's
• 3:48:57
  my thing. You know, it wasn't that so
• 3:49:01
  much. It was just the normal turning,
• 3:49:03
  the massive enormous yawning Gulf between the two like, yeah.
• 3:49:07
  Okay, I can see that perhaps that doesn't hold up quite as
• 3:49:10
  well as that does, but I like them.
• 3:49:12
  But mostly, I mean, I feel you might be the Strictly Come
• 3:49:15
  hamster, format in you in human form, you know.
• 3:49:18
  Breaking for all the the conventions.
• 3:49:22
  I love it. I think as we're all of the
• 3:49:25
  generation, I think we're sort of second or third generation
• 3:49:28
  fans, who were told in the 80s and the 90s, which stories not
• 3:49:33
  obviously not you Elliot and it was a problem in the 80s.
• 3:49:35
  What you was just watching it because I said, watching in 1980
• 3:49:41
  piece of Davidson, is, is my doctor?
• 3:49:43
  And was my doctor and that's when I started watching.
• 3:49:45
  But I was I didn't have many, any friends am.
• 3:49:49
  I certainly didn't have friends who were in Doctor Who so I
• 3:49:52
  didn't talk about it with anybody except for my family,
• 3:49:55
  possibly. So I had no sense of this wider
• 3:49:58
  judgment. That was taking place.
• 3:50:00
  I just judged it on whether I like it or not, whether it
• 3:50:04
  frightened me or not and all and still when I got you a little
• 3:50:08
  bit older and I was maybe at secondary school.
• 3:50:10
  I wasn't talking about Doctor Who with people.
• 3:50:14
  It was a thing that I watched but I didn't.
• 3:50:16
  So I had no concept of this kind of These presupposed judgment
• 3:50:23
  that had been placed on it by other people.
• 3:50:24
  And so, I came to re-watching it with from the same position like
• 3:50:30
  oh yeah, I enjoyed that. Didn't enjoy that.
• 3:50:32
  Oh, can you use that bead loose? See that the most unique, most
• 3:50:36
  individual opinions on Doctor, Who's stories?
• 3:50:39
  Not necessarily. Sometimes my opinion, chimes,
• 3:50:42
  with other people but what I mean is, I wasn't in a position
• 3:50:45
  to say, oh, so-and-so says, this isn't any good, so it's not any
• 3:50:48
  good. I mean, you say this but it's
• 3:50:52
  the least contentious episode of Strictly Come answer.
• 3:50:54
  You wait till it goes out and robot win.
• 3:50:56
  No. Well, this will be the one
• 3:51:01
  behind again. Yeah, definitely yeah.
• 3:51:04
  Oh yeah. He's only out of the Asylum.
• 3:51:08
  Two days a week now, you know, All that we send the poor man.
• 3:51:12
  The day he booked into the to The Establishment.
• 3:51:17
  Was the dilute said horrified rocks.
• 3:51:20
  Got going to be in and that was it.
• 3:51:22
  He was dumb. Always a guy in a silent night.
• 3:51:29
  So that's well robot is a well according to us five a worthy
• 3:51:34
  winner. I think we as we would have all,
• 3:51:37
  you know, been happy for any of our five stories to win.
• 3:51:39
  But congratulations, not repentance of the sidemen.
• 3:51:42
  What are you talking about? Okay, no, revenge of the
• 3:51:45
  sidemen. Well yeah, I've struck a blow
• 3:51:49
  for my family's discomfort of Christmas from nearly 40 years
• 3:51:52
  ago but thank you very much. Everybody for taking part,
• 3:51:56
  should we have a quick round at web where people can find you on
• 3:52:00
  the internet or elsewhere? Please Joe, Joe short, Joe.
• 3:52:07
  Sorry I'm still on Twitter and I'm going to call it Twitter
• 3:52:10
  till I die as the brain of spot, but I'm also on Blue Sky and
• 3:52:15
  threads just as Joe Shaw. I think, you know, you'd find me
• 3:52:18
  hanging about their do check out her Strictly Come hamster,
• 3:52:22
  appearance on Season 22. Where she coined, Mark of the
• 3:52:28
  Ronnie a massacre with doilies Is it today?
• 3:52:40
  I want to hear once Joe and I thought to listen to these
• 3:52:46
  things from what he says. Lucy.
• 3:52:51
  Where can we find you? I am on still on Twitter because
• 3:52:56
  there are people on Twitter who I like to interact with who
• 3:52:58
  haven't moved elsewhere. So I will stay in to them there
• 3:53:01
  at Lucy McCall and also on blue sky, I'm on Instagram and
• 3:53:06
  Facebook at various versions of my name.
• 3:53:09
  So if there's nitty characters in the surname is McCall, that's
• 3:53:12
  going to be me. I have some FanFiction on a
• 3:53:16
  teaspoon and an open mind. My A handle over there is Elsie,
• 3:53:22
  Muk e, l s. I e m c c.
• 3:53:24
  And I wrote some Stories that the brilliant who Cornish Corner
• 3:53:31
  people turned into audio, dramas which was astonishing and quite
• 3:53:36
  quite peculiar to listen to the first time thinking.
• 3:53:39
  Did I write that? Well, that sounds good and but
• 3:53:42
  that was good. I have been on various podcasts.
• 3:53:46
  I've done a couple of kettles with string with Dave.
• 3:53:49
  I've been on some trap ones and with Jim looking in a box and
• 3:53:56
  also the library of impossible things.
• 3:53:58
  And at some point, possibly in the next few months, I will have
• 3:54:03
  a book published by candy jar, which will be continuing
• 3:54:07
  Adventures, of Miss, Hawthorne and Sergeant Benton.
• 3:54:10
  And it's kind of a vaguely Supernatural bearing in mind.
• 3:54:15
  What I said about sci-fi bobbins, so it's like a sort of
• 3:54:19
  low budget 1978 X-Files with scones I probably links for that
• 3:54:25
  everybody get pre-ordering that book I want to say we are so
• 3:54:35
  proud of you. I was there right from the
• 3:54:40
  beginning. And when we were like, sending
• 3:54:42
  me them, I was. And I'm like with them right
• 3:54:45
  from the go. I'm so proud of you and I hope
• 3:54:48
  you. I hope you have a massive I know
• 3:54:50
  well because we're all buying it but there is, it's actually like
• 3:54:53
  it's so nice. That something good has happened
• 3:54:57
  to somebody wonderful and talented.
• 3:54:59
  Like, so many nice things happen.
• 3:55:01
  It's so nice driving somebody great.
• 3:55:04
  Okay. And he's like, you know,
• 3:55:05
  somebody just one of us as well. And I'm just so I'm very proud
• 3:55:08
  of you loose. And I hope, you know, if you
• 3:55:13
  would care to hear more of Lucy, then do check her out on the
• 3:55:16
  season. 18 Strictly Come hamster, where Roald gave a 15
• 3:55:21
  minute criticism of look up police and then Lucy came in
• 3:55:25
  with the sentence afterwards. I don't care about anything.
• 3:55:28
  You just said which was the most cutting remark at the time?
• 3:55:32
  I mean, I could barely stop laughing for the rest.
• 3:55:35
  It to be quite that because I enjoyed it, the facts didn't
• 3:55:40
  really It was the one line version of literally ripping the
• 3:55:44
  carpet out from underneath somebody.
• 3:55:45
  It was like, it was wonderful. Um, Elliot, where can we find
• 3:55:51
  you? Um, you can find me in various
• 3:55:55
  places. I am on Blue Sky and Twitter.
• 3:55:57
  Usually just Elliott mayor. I'm always tagged in something,
• 3:56:02
  no doubt. Um, so you can't really miss me,
• 3:56:04
  but I do have a podcast. That's that's what I want to
• 3:56:08
  plug you. Cumberland ponds Doctor Who
• 3:56:11
  podcast. We are most active on Instagram,
• 3:56:14
  if you search Come Along on podcast, you'll find us talking
• 3:56:18
  about all sorts of things, mostly mostly new.
• 3:56:22
  Well knew the old who whatever it is, now mostly new who, but
• 3:56:28
  we've got some classic reviews stories.
• 3:56:29
  Including Genesis, the Daleks, if you want to hear more
• 3:56:31
  in-depth, thoughts on that and appearance of Mars episode,
• 3:56:34
  we're gonna be tackling season 2, is it goes out live as well.
• 3:56:38
  So if that interests, anybody don't know, if it does.
• 3:56:42
  But if that does interest, anybody always go check it out.
• 3:56:45
  Come along, pom pod, cast me. My good friend, Daniel, we host
• 3:56:48
  that together and we all have a cinema spin-off.
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  those out and Hopefully, some more more Coventry is coming
• 3:57:08
  soon, but you could also check out the season 5 strictly that I
• 3:57:11
  did with with Joe. I was just gonna mention that,
• 3:57:15
  you know, I could, I was gonna forget, you know, I could, I
• 3:57:18
  could, I because you mentioned Joe and and Lucy's what I was
• 3:57:21
  like, I'm gonna get in ahead of you because I'm gonna be dying.
• 3:57:24
  Should you wish to hear more of Elliot?
• 3:57:26
  Check out the season series? Season 5 Strictly Come hamster,
• 3:57:30
  where we're still hearing the disturbing.
• 3:57:34
  Noises of all of the Sacred cows.
• 3:57:37
  That Elliot executed. In that episode, it was, it was
• 3:57:40
  pretty brutal. I feel really bad.
• 3:57:42
  I can't listen to it. I was on, I was on horrible form
• 3:57:45
  that evening. I got rid of everything.
• 3:57:47
  It was wonderful, did coin too far.
• 3:57:50
  So I'm happy with that. Alright.
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  Yeah. Can we find you everywhere?
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  Move on everywhere. When we find you.
• 3:58:05
  I'm I'm on Twitter and I'm on Blue Sky on Facebook, and I've
• 3:58:10
  done a few of hamsters with Joe. And also with Joe, Lucy and Dave
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  Rennie the Fantastic Four. We did recently did enemy of the
• 3:58:23
  world. I've just done Nostalgia tools
• 3:58:26
  with rods Brown, that was really good to do.
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  And also done a couple of I've done, what's in the box?
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  A couple of Kells and and some string with Dave, Rennie and
• 3:58:37
  library of impossible, things and a couple of ones.
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  What what are home? You are.
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  Well, you know, I'm available for gardening as well and yeah,
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  and you also can catch me in my other strictly appearance doing
• 3:58:56
  season 26 where. Bit like this season, I would
• 3:59:00
  have been happy for any of those four stories to win.
• 3:59:03
  But there we are. So there we are.
• 3:59:04
  That's, that's me. Should you wish to listen to
• 3:59:07
  Daniel? Please check out the season. 26
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  Strictly, Come hamster. Where he regaled us with his six
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  on a half hour. Dramatic dissertation.
• 3:59:15
  On Ghostlight, I didn't cut out word of it, that was 10 hours
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  long and black when I started it was very impressive.
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  Well, how do we? Know sort of thing.
• 3:59:30
  Well, we say thank you very much for listening.
• 3:59:33
  And we all going to do the final thing, or is it just give us
• 3:59:38
  three seconds? And so as as we always say at
• 3:59:41
  the end of this three one, okay? Thank you, everyone.
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  And, of course, I'm gonna go out with that far.
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  A noise from Avengers side. Well,