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AM800 CKLW Roundtable with Dan MacDonald, Craig Pearson, Adriano Ciotoli, & Jon Liedtke - MAY 13 2024 · Kvetch & Release

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Well, hey, good morning and welcome back. It's Dan McDonald. Happy
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Monday, everybody. Thanks so much for tuning in. You're listening to the
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Dan McDonald Show on AM eight hundred c KLW, and I want to welcome
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a round table to the studio. First time or on the round table definitely
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have uttered his name on the show before. Editor of The Windsor Star,
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Craig Pearson. Craig, good morning, Good morning Dan, Thanks so much
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for having me. I am thrilled to be here finally. I'm pumped to
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have you here. I've seen you out and around town like over the years,
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whether it's like the odd like poetry reading or literary eveng or I've seen
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you at a couple of White Noise concerts too, at the old Backstage Yeah
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festival. I mean, I'll see you around always. Yeah, So it's
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good to finally have you in the show. Thanks for being here. Someone
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I just saw on Saturday night. I was very judge you Wudgie at the
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Masters of the Bruna Verse the Beer Competition craft beer competition at Windsor eats mister
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Windsor eats himself. Adrianna chotally Adriana, good morning, Good morning Dan,
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How are you doing great recovering? Still you look fantastic. Yeah, you
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made it. You had to sample seventeen beers on Saturday night and sample them.
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I did. It was a great, great somehow you had like thirty
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samples, which I had to do round two to make sure my first boat
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checked out. But no, it was a really really great night, good
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vibe, beautiful evening too. We were very lucky that the weather held out.
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Yes it was chili, but it was still nice out. Bear Died
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Dog was the winner Master of the Brune Verse, Yes, with Blood Brothers
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for their thunder punchin Punch winning People's choice, and that thunder Punch was good.
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It was real. It was it was not like beer. It was
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like it was like punch. Yeah, and it was delicious. Yeah.
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Last, but certainly not least. A host here on Roast City Politics and
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host here on AM eight hundred and c kl W mister John Lickey, John,
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good morning, Good morning, Dan. You are looking good today.
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Well, thank you. Don't let anyone tell you you're not like other days.
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Well you're you're always welcome back on the round table. If you're gonna
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shower me with conals, that's that's great. What you quickly give the first
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one and then he doesn't even notice the fact. It's very true. I
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don't even know what you said after you said you look good. I just
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pulled my phone and took as healthie. Okay, So so what I want
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to start off first off is I'm going to go ahead and call it,
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and I'm going to This is my uneducated I I'm not a photographer. Worst
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celestial event ever. This is coming out of the eclipse, which was spectacular.
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I went Donny Kingsville to see that. In totality, it was amazing.
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But I was getting all these Facebook messages Friday night saying go outside and
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look up right now, neighbors of mine. I looked up did Ley squat
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up in that sky, and people are sending me photos that looked like rainbow
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bright was descending upon planet Earth, And I thought, where are you seeing
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these these beautiful pictures? So many of them. I didn't know you had
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to kind of look through your camera to see it the right way. I
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tried that. I still have about a thousand pictures of the dark night sky
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on my phone now, so I saw nothing going around the table. Did
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anyone actually see the eclipse? Or the Aurora Boreales Craig, did you get
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a chance to see the northern lights? Well, I went out two nights
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in a row to try to check it out. I could not see anything,
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thank you. It's so funny though, you should mention that I too.
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I took the day off with my wife and another couple and we went
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to Kingsville as we out to see the totality, which was amazing celestial event
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I've ever seen, and I've seen a meteor shower in the Rockies before,
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but no, I couldn't see anything. Now, one of our reporters at
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the Winter Start interviewed a local photographer, Donnie Moore, who went to Trombley
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Beach that's getting near Tilbury anyway. He shot it. But the interesting thing
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is he explained to us that it was actually much better to view it through
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a camera, but because what you can do is put it on a tripod
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and have a long shutter, like a five to seven second thing, and
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that's why the colors became more bright on some of the photos by experienced photographers.
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However, just seeing it with the naked eye, it wasn't all that
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I didn't see anything like it wasn't anything for me. It's like, it's
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the moon looked cool, but that was it. On Saturday we were talking,
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You were very disappointed. I was. For years and years I've been
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trying to plan to go see this, see the northern lights, right,
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And then on Friday, I didn't even know what was happening until I was
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coming back from tour tour from Detroit and trying to disassociate myself from the people
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I was bringing. Went on my phone on Facebook and saw all these photos
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and I was like what. And then on Saturday we had our masters at
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the brune Verse. I tried looking out afterwards, didn't see a thing.
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So I'm gonna pretend it never happened, because this literally is something I've been
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wanting to see for the longest time, and every time I've tried planning a
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trip or something to go, you know, up north and see it,
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it always fell through. So yeah, yeah, little disappointed, little disappointed,
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And that was not happy. Now, John, where I actually got
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that worst celestial event ever? John coined that one because he texted that to
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me when I was posting about it. I take it you didn't. It
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didn't get any better Saturday night, Saturday night, John Aurora Borealis at this
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time of year, Yeah, at this time of place, in this part
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of the country, localized in our backyard. I don't believe it. No,
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I didn't see it at all. Come on, nonsense, And Craig,
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I understand what you're saying about how it looks better through the camera.
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And I saw a lot of pieces about that the day after it happened,
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because apparently even tonight there still might be traces of it. If you have
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to go and look at something through your phone and take a photo and bump
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up the exposure, you did not see it. I can show you lots
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of photos that I purportedly have taken it. What are you gonna do that
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one? It was? I'm sorry, Like God bless everyone who saw it
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and it looked great, and I did. There were people that were out
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towards the county or the outskirts. I think that's the biggest thing, Like,
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if you're in the city and there's light pollution, you're not gonna have
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a really good shot at seeing it, right Although I saw people in Ford
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City who were posting photos and it's just like and you're close to that right
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there. The people in Walkerville were posting, so you know right there,
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I think I still call BALONEI. I don't think anyone saw it. I
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think everyone just went on to chat GPT and said generate me in Aurora Borealis
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and Windsor, Ontario. And I never saw a photo with any distinguishing locations
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that made it seem like Windsor was just like a lot of garages Aurora Orealities
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above it. So someone proved to me that it's not just a bunch of
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Craig Pearson's digital editors over putting stuff out. Yeah. I compare that,
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and compare that to the total solar eclipse, where people literally broke into applause
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cheered. You know you see this black or surrounded by white fire hanging in
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the sky. I mean that's something moving. Yes, I actually did get
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emotional, like I got a couple little tears coming down when like when they
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take the glasses off and look at it. I was like this and everyone
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did cheer where I was too, and I was like, this is a
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thing, and everyone's in it together and very hippy dippy, lovely love the
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earth and love the planet. And it was amazing. But yeah, that
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wasn't it. On the weekend now, just to like the Aurora bery else
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when you go to where you actually can see them, they are visible with
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the naked eye, right, I assume absolutely good. I wasn't seen it
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myself, do I know this? We're the pictures look good, but that's
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all I like. Features in reality are a different thing. But you can
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see them with the naked eye. I assume supposedly you can. Okay,
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yeah, I'll keep text text ten eight hundred right now and let us know
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have you ever actually seen this stuff actually exists? Right? Seriously, We're
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got to take a really quick break. We will come back joining us in
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the studio on our round table. John Liddkey, Adrianachotally, Craig Pearson,
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keep it here. It's the Dan McDonald show. Don't go away. Hey,
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good morning, and welcome back. It's Dan McDonald. Thanks so much
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for tuning in. Welcome back to our round table. Editor of the Windsor
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Star. Craig Pearson from Windsor Eats, Adriano chotally and from AM eight hundred
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and Rose City Politics. John Lidkey, So today's big day. Big It's
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going me a long city council meetia I think, but a Revitalization Plan Strengthen
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the Core. Members of Windsor City Council voting today on the recently announced Strengthen
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the Core Downtown Windsor Revitalization Plan. It was announced back April twenty third by
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Windsor may Or Drew Dilkins. Seven proposed initial action items focused on creating safe
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streets and forcing property standards, seeking improved wrap around programs for vulnerable community members,
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incentives to bring more businesses downtown and UH and improved promotion of the Core
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uh Agean, I actually want to start with you on this one because you
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and I've was think about this this morning. You've done You've done an amazing
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job with revitalizing our community. You really have. I'm not talking about you
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like you, whether it's you know, the the tours of the wineries,
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to the graffiti tours, to what you've even done with Erie Street, like
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that space. I was there Saturday night looking around thinking what life is here
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right now? And it was so many people who have a sense of community
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and love where they live. And you are like the loudest cheerlead that I
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can think of who really takes people out. Go on, go on,
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furtherore as by Google review reads No, but but revitalizing you You've been boots
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on the ground for a long long time, getting people really pumped up about
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where they live in all the right ways. What are your thoughts on revitalizing
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the core of downtown? First, thank you? Yeah, absolutely means a
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lot. Thank you. It's it's going to be a lot of work.
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I mean even I'm excited that there's at least now kind of like the spotlight
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on doing this right. But i mean even even putting the plan together,
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it's still going to be a lot of work, and it like it might
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not be successful, like you really hope that, you really hope that it
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will be. But there's there's a lot of work to do now because there's
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not only like foot traffic is down as people you know, are working from
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home more, not necessarily working in the office full time or just not at
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all. Businesses are starting to leave the core now. It's it's a struggle
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and it's kind of the chicken in the egg of what goes first, because
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you can't have businesses surviving without that foot traffic and the people there. But
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those people aren't going to be there if there's no businesses exactly yeah. Yeah.
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Chris McCloud from the DWBAA was on last week and he said, like,
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this is the moment, this is the time that you have to It's
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either going to go one way or another, and we have to do it
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because this is where it is right now. I thought, well, but
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no, you've you have done a really great job of getting people pumped up
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about where they live and downtown. During the NFL Draft when they shut down
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the block, the three hundred block of Alette. I was down there that
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night and there was hundreds of people down there. It was great. It
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was an amazing party vibe. It reminded me. I'm not the only one
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who said this. It reminded me of Windsor back in the day, that's
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what it reminded me of the streets down everyone out there partying. And I
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heard so many people saying, God, I haven't been down here in years.
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I got to come down here more often. I thought, well,
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it's not always like this, but yes, more of that, Like you
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do need to come down here, because when you are down there, sitting
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in a nice patio like a craft Heads or wherever, you're like, this
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is really really nice. Why don't I come here down it was nice sing
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those videos. Yeah, it was great. I mean having said like with
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the less foot traffic, events are the best way to be able to do
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something like that, And you know, they closed the street down. It
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got people out there, it got people excited. Yes, it's an investment,
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but I think it's a worthwhile one to get people to kind of rediscover
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downtown getting down there and then hopefully, you know, the businesses follow the
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people. There's so many little things. For me, it's all about the
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small little things, in the small details that you have to pay attention to,
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which we'll get people talking positively about the downtown or any neighborhood. Agree.
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Yeah, Craig, your thoughts on the revitalizing our core, Well,
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first of all, I think it's a great idea. I worked downtown for
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about thirty years and I love downtown and I would love to see it come
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back. Right now, it is not in the best shape in terms of
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bringing people down, and so I love this idea. It's tricky though,
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because you, I'm sure realize that the mayor is pitching a tax increase to
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be able to fund this revitalization plan. So it's going to cost three point
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two million dollars. That means a point seven percent tax increase bring it to
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four point six to one. But the thing is that's opening it up after
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the budget was passed, so that's a bit rare. They don't normally do
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that. I still support it. I think that they should do that.
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I think that the core of any city is the heart of the city and
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they absolutely need to bring it back. I agree, by the way,
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with Windsor Eats and Adriana totally and Pina Chorlie helping do that is the best
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round table ever said. There's one other thing I think has to happen for
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you to really have a strong core in conjunction with these other initiatives, and
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that is simply more people living downtown. Yeah, it is essential. You
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cannot do it, and you'll find that there's no city I don't think that
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has a really vibrant downtown core without a lot of people living there. So
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I would like to see more initiatives to have residential projects going. The more
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the merrier as far as far as I'm concerned, and I can't wait for
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that to happen. Yeah, yeah, John your thought you live downtown.
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Yeah, And I used to have business downtown and let me just all jump
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on the bandwagon as well. And of course everything that windsor Eat does is
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incredible, but I want to say, I do want to say that the
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work that Pina does specifically is well, that's what I was focusing on most
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Listen, this plan has lots of good elements to it. I think that
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most people would agree that having a more police presence on the streets is good.
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Having a dedicated Ward three by law officer who is proactive and not reactive
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is something that's going to be incredibly big. One of the biggest problems that
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we have is absentee landlords who don't have an incentive to really do anything with
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their buildings. And as I understand it, having spoken with word recounts of
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their Augustino about this, there's a component that's supposedly being passed in this that's
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going to require business owners, landlords to be hooked up to water, electricity,
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hydro, all of that, which means they're now going to have a
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monthly bill good to pay even if they're not using it. They're going to
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have to pay that suicearch charge fee, all of those extra fees that we
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get so mad about. So the landlord in Toronto, who might not be
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thinking about this for fifteen years, is now every month is going to have
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to go and write a check. Maybe that will persuade them to rent the
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space. So maybe it will persuade them to sell the place off and someone
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else can do something. Yeah, that is going to be one of the
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biggest things because when you also combine that with getting tickets, because your place,
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let's be honest, looks like crap and you haven't done anything because you
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have had an incentive to do it, that is a positive thing because someone
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else might then decide, oh, I'm gonna go rent a space. If
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I look through a window and I see that it's dirty and grimy and it
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hasn't been cleaned in the last six, seven, fifteen years, I'm probably
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not gonna imagine what that space could be. I'm not gonna picture that I
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could open up a bookshop here, or a bakery here, or whatever that
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is. And then, Craig, you're absolutely right, let's just stop focusing
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on our downtown as like a Disneyland theme park, because here's the thing.
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When we focus on just having the casino and we've got the air gallery,
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We've got a big train, and we got the new street car, and
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we got all these big aquatic center and all these things to try to bring
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the people in. We all forget is that theme park shut down at eleven
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o'clock, But a downtown doesn't shut down. People should be living there.
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When it does shut down, you get the elements of the crime that we're
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seeing that makes it uncomfortable for people. And I know police like to say
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crime isn't as bad as what people perceive it to be, but perceptions are
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really the only thing that matters. You're trying to get people to actually come
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out. So if this you know, seven point plan with the incremental tax
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increase, and I don't understand how we couldn't find three point two million dollars
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in the budget without having to raise taxes. I don't know if that's a
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poison pill to not make this go through and actually just make it seem like
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we're doing something. Oh, you can see how cynical I am about this
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whole thing. I was going to say that I hope the of that I
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hope, I hope that it works. I'm cynical at you know, the
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developers coming forward and going ah, We've got this big new one hundred and
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forty unit condo development, and only will it happen if this plan passes.
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If this plan passes and there's no new development, we need to start having
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a conversation in our community about what people are allowed to go around saying and
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parroting and being able to just like get away with anything. Quite frankly,
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I think it's fine to deploy people as pawns or for people to act as
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advocates for things, But I mean it's I'm getting tired of what feels like
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living in a stage show where like all of the moves on the stage or
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choreographed, and you can start to see, like as things get leaked,
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you know where we're gonna end up by the end of it. So I
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hope that this works. I hope it's not just me being cynical with it.
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I've been wrong before. I'm more than happy to be wrong again.
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It's going to happen, and my cynicism isn't going away, I'll tell you
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that much. But this looks good. It's got great elements and fingers crossed.
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Yeah, I agree. We had to take a really quick break.
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We will come back with our Roundtable this morning with Adrianachotally from Windsor Eats,
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John lydd Key from Rose City Politics, and Craig Pearson, editor of the
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Windsor Star. Keep it here, it's the Dan McDonald Show on AM eight
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hundred. Well, hey, good morning and welcome back. It's Dan McDonald,
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Thanks so much for tuning in. Welcome back to our roundtable as well.
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Adriana Chotally from Windsor Eats. We have Craig Pearson, editor of the
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Windsor Star, and John Lidkey host here on AM eight hundred, also host
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of Rose City Politics. So our CMP, OURCMP boss is expressing desire for
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a new law to deal with threats against politicians. Mounties are seeing an increase
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in aggressive and harsh language threats directed at politicians, including comments from the same
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individuals on multiple occasions and the behavior though the behavior does not meet the Criminal
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Code threshold for laying a charge of uttering threats. So OURCMP is seeing that
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as a bit of a challenge and they're asking are there other tools we can
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use? Is there anything else that we could add to the criminal Code to
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address the situation. He said. The RCMP hopes to work with Public Safety
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Canada and the Department of Justice on the possibility of a new provision to address
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the phenomenon that's happening. People feel more free to express what they really think,
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which I think is an absolute good thing. It's good to express how
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you feel. I do believe it has to be done in a civil way,
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though, and I also believe every elected official has a right to feel
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secure doing their job, no matter how much you dislike or hate their political
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stance. I think safety is very, very important any political walk. This
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will comes amid growing concerns about safety of politicians, and I'm reading MPs have
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been followed on the street, subjected to death threats. Escalation has prompted efforts
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to bolster protection security measures. We've seen it as far as people throwing rocks
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at Justin Trudeau to our own windsor may Or Drew Dilkins getting his address posted
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online and threats being made. So it's happening on every level of government and
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what to be done about it, And the big pushback I'm seeing is,
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well, where is the line between I have my right to say what I
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feel, my freedom of speech, expressing my concern, my passionate stance on
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politics, and laws like this that could potentially suppress that. That's the worry.
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But your thoughts and Craig, I wanted to start with you as someone
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who works in media and also media has been has received some backlash as well,
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journalists being threatened and whatnot. What are your thoughts on this law?
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Well, first of all, thanks for asking this question, because I think
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it's really important. I absolutely support this law. I don't think any politician
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or anybody should be at risk or subject to threats, and it's happened.
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We saw that with Christia Freeland a year or two ago out Wes somebody swearing
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at her and yelling at her this big dude was completely inappropriate. But closer
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to home, you mentioned Mayor Drew Dilkinson. He has unfortunately received two or
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three death threats, including one as recently is about a month or so ago
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that police did take action on. It is unacceptable. We should be able
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to discuss our views and absolutely we have the right, which I support in
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Canada to disagree with our politicians and to speak out about it, but we
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have to find a way to do it civilly. That's only fair. Also,
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I should point out you're right, it isn't just the politicians, it's
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also other people in the public eye, including media. I can tell you
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it's been the last few years that we have reporters going out and having people
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yell at us, swear at us, threaten us. I haven't heard about
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a death threat, but certainly things about, you know, to scratch your
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car, these kinds of terrible things. We have actually spoken to the police
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before, very rarely, but we have on occasion with things get out of
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line. It's absolutely not fair. It's this discourse has become with a minority
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of people. The majority of people in societ are fair, but with a
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minority of people in different camps, have has turned to a point where they
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feel that they can spew vitriol, can be terrible to people. It's not
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right. We can disagree, we can talk about issues, but we have
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to do it in a civil way. I agree, and I wonder.
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I think there is a pretty defined line of freedom of speech and expression and
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crossing a line into now you're uttering threats and when you're posting somebody's home address
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and saying I'm going to do X y Z to you, that to me
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is a pretty clear I wonder is there a law that is a bit more
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encompassing. For I think online might be more of the problem than anything,
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to be honest, the online stuff, I think, But you said some
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journalists have did experience this in person too, Right, I'm not saying a
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death threat, but I'm just saying people being yeah, yeah, you know,
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very hostile towards them. Yeah, making them feel very uncomfortable to be
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covering something that they're at and presumably would want covered. Right, Yeah,
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John, your thoughts on this law, you know I'm not aware, so
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I can't. I'm not going to pine about shit the specific measures are.
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Rather I'll discuss that we're in a different place I think right now societally because
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of social media and the lack of involvement in actually saying something to someone's face.
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The old saying is your freedom of expression or speech goes as far as
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it can until my fift meets your face. And we live in a very
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different society as well now, where you know physical response to actions is not
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acceptable, and I think that's appropriate. I think that we're in a very
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good place where you know, that's not the first thing to jump to,
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but we're also in a place where people are increasingly left defenseless because of that.
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So we've got the combined social media with the increased vitriol and the people
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feeling as if there's no repercussions, combined with the fact that there are no
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real repercussions, and that's a real tough place. Then you combine the fact
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that if someone's a public figure, if you're an elected official, if you're
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in the media, if you're you know, a scoundrel like Adriano. Quite
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frankly, I'm not disagreeing. How do you respond in a way that's not
22:03
gonna go and you know, have a negative pushback on your profession, your
22:07
personal you know, well being. So I think that there needs to be
22:11
a line put it. Okay, when I was when the Convoy was happening
22:14
down here in the blockade, there was an event down at the river and
22:17
I decided to go check it out, and there was a bunch of people
22:18
on stage and they were listing their grievances and God bless protest is excellent.
22:22
And they went on to Mayor Dilkins and what they didn't like about him,
22:26
and that's fine. I had a lot of disagreement with the guy too.
22:29
Quite frankly, it crossed the line they went into like why they really hate
22:32
the guy, but like whatever, that's still freedom of expression. I don't
22:34
you can disagree with him for whatever reason. He's too tall, you don't
22:37
like the way he looks, whatever, that's your choice. It was when
22:41
they started to say, you know, what would be terrible if we all
22:44
decided to go to one two three Fake Street, which I think is exactly
22:48
where he lives. What would happen if we all just decided to go to
22:52
one two three Fake Street. I'm saying that is terrible, not his addressed
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right. It was at that moment that I went, WHOA, this is
23:00
pretty scary, Like this is actually a very scary situation. It's it's when
23:03
it's that incitement, when it's that targeted harassment. So I don't know why
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our regular legislation that we have right now can't deal with it. If it's
23:11
good enough for I thought, too good enough for the elected officials, the
23:17
public figures. But maybe we're at a point that if the police are the
23:19
ones saying, look, the tools that we have, for whatever reason aren't
23:23
working. And maybe it's because the Crown's just not able to get the charges
23:29
to stick or a judge is just gonna throw it out, or they know
23:30
they're just gonna go on bail. I don't know. But if we're at
23:33
a point where we're all just sort of going, well, there's nothing we
23:37
can do. You just gotta deal with death threats, good luck, and
23:38
oh, by the way, the election's coming up, you should think of
23:41
running. Don't be surprised if like your caliber of talent starts to drop.
23:45
Well, it already is turning people away. There was a politician just reading
23:49
about the beingd of the month. Pam was her first time, and she
23:52
said, I am because of all the misogyny, the sexistuff, the threat
23:56
she's getting. She's like, I will not be running. I'm out,
23:57
I'm gone, goodbye, see later. I think women are affected a bit
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in politics, are affected in a whole different level than men are as well.
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And I'm speaking with Andrew Dowie in the ten o'clock hour about this.
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I think he might echo some of those thoughts. But yeah, it's well,
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do you get much online, Adriano. I deal with food and drink
24:15
and somehow we still don't even know how. Yeah, I mean, and
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obviously Craig being here is perfect for this, but like words have power,
24:30
and like the fact that there are no repercussions for a lot of things that
24:33
people are saying is is kind of scary. And that's how things, I
24:37
in my opinion, escalate a little bit, because when there's no repercussions,
24:40
then it just keeps sliding a little bit further, a little bit further,
24:42
a little bit further. So, yeah, I'm in favor of laws like
24:47
this. It it's like when you hear you know, people I enjoy talking
24:52
politics and and things of debating thing and things along those lines, and the
24:59
moment you start hearing name calling or I do anyways, the moment I hear
25:03
name calling is like my brain just turns off and said, no, I
25:06
can't take you serious. I can't no, I can't listen anymore. How
25:08
do you feel, Craig about the comments section? We always hear it,
25:11
don't read the comments and what the I've even you know, I've been pushing
25:15
like maybe comment section on some story should be turned off, Like I don't
25:18
know where that line is freedom of speech not because they can get very toxic.
25:22
Yes, well that's another good point. And uh, a part of
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the paper is not my favorite sometimes are the online comments, but only when
25:30
they turn nasty, right, Yeah, yeah, But what we do often
25:36
is we block comments on stories that we think are going to be triggering.
25:38
We do that to start. Sometimes we will do it if it gets out
25:44
of hand on a story. Also, we do have a service that monitors
25:48
comments. You can flag one if you think it's inappropriate, and they are
25:55
the bad ones are taken down. But yeah, that's not just like one
25:57
person like locked in a closet, who means like a lot of mental health
26:00
support. No, it's vo four. It's a company that does it.
26:03
But important though, I think. But yeah, but it's not just our
26:06
site, of course, it's no. All of these sites have this problem
26:08
with the online comments. And on the one hand, it's great because it
26:11
allows for more public discussion on issues, which I fully support and in fact
26:18
encourage. But on the other hand, you are at risk of having people
26:22
posting very nasty comments. Yeah, but I don't understand what that is as
26:26
well. So those nasty comments come in, they're removed, and the people
26:32
whose comments are removed don't understand what they did, and then they think it's
26:36
censoring. And that's what blows my mind. Essentially, this show this show,
26:41
and we do call in segments. It's kind of the comment section.
26:42
It's hey, this is the new story we're talking about. What are your
26:45
thoughts on? All thoughts are welcome until you start getting disrespectful and calling out
26:49
names or saying things that are blatantly not true. And you know it's been
26:52
rare, but I have it to cut people off before for calling people names
26:56
or saying really awful things are swearing and it can't go on the radio.
27:00
I love the discourse. I love reading the comments until it's like, ah,
27:03
this now just got really disgusting and racist and ugly or homophobic, or
27:07
you don't pick, pick whatever one you want to go by. That's when
27:10
it's not preserving the right purpose. I don't think I totally agree. And
27:12
in fact, even before it gets racist or homophobic or sexist, it can
27:18
just be somebody being mean to another person, insulting them. There is no
27:22
need for that. As a matter of fact, you will get your point
27:26
across better if you do it in a nice way. As Adriana just pointed
27:30
out, you start insulting somebody and then you're like, okay, well why
27:34
should I listen to this guy? I don't want to listen to him,
27:37
and now you're just thinking about that. He insulted somebody as opposed to what
27:40
their point is. So it is one hundred percent counterproductive to be mean in
27:45
your comments. I agree, Yeah, you're right. Your brain does shut
27:48
off. It's like we're done here, the debate's over. It's done.
27:49
We got to take a really quick break. We will come back. Craig
27:52
Pearson, editor of The Windsor Star, Adriana Totally from Windsor Eats, John
27:55
Lidkey from Rose City Politics and c KLW don't go away. Hey, good
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morning and welcome back. It's Dan McDonald. Thanks so much for tuning in.
28:04
It's a roundtable this morning, joining us in studio. Host of Rose
28:07
City Politics, Adroanochotally sorry, John Lidkey, Adrono is not the host of
28:12
ros City Politics, but I welcome time. Windsor Eats an editor of The
28:18
Windsor Star, Craig Pearson, and we always end on kind of a fun
28:22
note. We have our plugged in segment coming up. You can plug any
28:25
event you want. But I saw a little interesting blurb and it asked when
28:27
did you last buy a stamp? Canada Post announced this week, the price
28:30
of a stamp is going up up to a dollar fifteen per individual stamp from
28:36
a dollar seven or to ninety nine cents if if you buy it in books
28:40
or roles? Do you still mail letters and postcards? Do you receive them?
28:44
I'm curious, and is there anything that you think we are doing less
28:48
of, like in person banking, making phone calls, going to movie theaters.
28:52
But the stamp thing. I haven't bought a stamp in I couldn't even
28:56
tell you how long. I'll bring something to shoppers the package and like I'll
29:00
put whatever post the gine out, but I don't. I don't go out
29:02
and buy stamps, do you. Well, no, because that's a that's
29:04
a that's a novelty. We don't mail as often so you can just go
29:08
and get it, you know, ad hoc one at a time. I
29:11
bought stamps last year when the Queen passed. I wanted to get something.
29:15
But you know, I mean, I've got a po box. And it
29:18
relates to the conversation that we're just having about political threats. It was just
29:22
like, you know, what, if I'm gonna be receiving public letters and
29:23
stuff, I'd rather have them go to a building and then I can just
29:26
show up there and you know, open up and it's quaint. It's fun.
29:30
I get to go to the post office and but a key, and
29:33
that is that's a fun thing. So yes and yes, and shout out
29:36
to the post He's too. My dad is a retired post worker and love
29:38
them. Yes, I letter carrier. Brian is always listening. So shut
29:41
out to you, Brian, if you're listening out there, big big props
29:45
to him. A Jona, do you still do you still receive slash send
29:48
letters. I can barely write anymore. Well, that's something else that's going
29:52
to the way we we'll get two words in my hands starts cramping up to
29:57
actually even tighten. I rarely, I mean yeah. Email email texts,
30:03
it's all emailer texts, I know, or like direct message. It's it's
30:07
sad. It is sad. When was the last time you think you wrote
30:10
a letter and mailed it to somebody like truly? Because mine might have been
30:12
a not kidding it may have been nineteen ninety three, I'm not even kidding
30:17
you. When I mailed a letter to someone. I think it was when
30:18
Sanna wrote me back. Probably Yeah, I can't even remember, No,
30:26
I can't either would have been I think it would have been the nineties.
30:27
I don't know. Yeah, that's one of those things. Craig, you
30:30
are you still a letter writer slash receiver? I am not a letter writer
30:33
whatsoever. I can't actually remember the last time I did write a letter.
30:37
I do occasionally get cards and stuff like that, which is really nice.
30:41
It does encourage people write me. And honestly, even though I don't do
30:45
it too often, and we're all here saying we don't do too often,
30:48
isn't it nice to actually receive? It's really nice. It's so beautiful.
30:52
You know, what's a weird thing. I should point this out, and
30:53
I knew it because you know, my son going to school, he's just
30:57
recently graduated Universe. But a lot of young kids these days actually can't read
31:03
script. Mm hm oh yeah, that's shocking when you tak about it.
31:07
I didn't believe it, but it's true. It's true some of them struggle
31:11
to read. It's not that they're not taught at at all. They're taught
31:12
at a bit, but they really don't have much occasion to practice it really,
31:17
and so some of them cannot read script. Easily right. Well,
31:22
I had a parent call in because I didn't believe this either. I said,
31:25
is it true that there's like younger generation has a trouble reading cursive writing?
31:29
And a mom wrote in, She goes, you're going to think this
31:30
ridiculous. She goes, if there is something on the calendar I don't want
31:33
my son to know about, I'll write it and cursive and she was being
31:36
completely serious, and I thought, Wow, they're bringing that back though.
31:38
But I here's my question. Are younger people just more efficient, Like do
31:42
we even need cursive anymore? Or is everything in the palm of her hand
31:47
with her phone? Like I just wonder maybe it's more efficient. They certainly
31:49
get the message a lot quicker than they would with you know, no disrespect
31:52
to candaposts, but than mailing a letter, like it's way more efficient time
31:56
wise. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if they need it.
31:57
I suppose that they're If we put our heads together, we can come up
32:00
some reasons why you might need it. But let's face it, most of
32:04
the time you don't. In today's society, it is digital and you can
32:07
send your messages as you pointed out, much quicker. Yeah, that way.
32:12
I mean I could contact any one of my friends probably within a number
32:15
of seconds, like live on the air, you know what I mean,
32:16
and then wouldn't even phase anybody. So I don't know, it's very efficient.
32:21
It's much more efficient. You know. It's like a specialized skill set
32:23
that I don't think has much use these days. You can, you know,
32:27
you don't need a signature to sign your name. You can print your
32:30
name. It's still legally valid. I look at it. You know,
32:34
if you if you're a historian and you're looking through primary source documents, you're
32:37
gonna have a real hard time if you can't read cursive. Let me tell
32:39
you, I mean, Craig, If you go back through you know,
32:42
a lot of the old archives at the Star, you're gonna see handwritten pamphlets
32:46
and flyers and stuff. And it's important to have that knowledge. But I
32:50
think like that's kind of like having a discussion about if you're a biologist or
32:53
a chemist, you have to a very special skill set because the vast majority
32:58
of people don't need it. I mean, typing is ubiquitous now. I
33:01
mean, this is how people that kids are typing before they can even necessarily
33:07
understand what typing is. These days, they're interacting, so it's just,
33:12
you know, things evolve. I see that they're rolling it out again at
33:15
schools and I laugh, and I's just like, maybe just teach kids how
33:17
to do taxis. Yeah, But that said though, I'd hate to see
33:23
it go by the way said too. I don't want to just gone in
33:27
society. I would love to think that we keep that ability. It won't
33:32
come in Hanney too often. But my gosh, I somehow feel, but
33:37
I couldn't tell you why that we would miss it. I know, I
33:40
feel. I don't know why, but I feel like they have to.
33:43
I'm glad they're bringing it back. He isn't going to use it. I
33:45
don't know, but I'm just I'm glad the're bringing it back. Yeah,
33:47
I wouldn't want to see it. I'm just laid back. I look at
33:50
it. It's like the horse and buggy right like, yeah, we're not
33:52
using that anymore. The things just go on. And how I made the
33:59
hieroglyphs point, we're not drawn little pictures now to tell our story. Well,
34:01
I mean some people, no, we push a button and it's now
34:04
called an emoji. Is so much better, right, We always at the
34:08
Round Table two with a segment I call plugged in. You can plug in
34:12
anything you like. You can shout out a business, a project that you're
34:15
working on, anything at all, and Craig will go back around. We
34:16
would like to plug in this morning. Oh my gosh, you you you
34:21
for a spot. I did, yes, but I would just like to
34:25
plug the Windsor Star if I may. We're still doing some excellent journalism every
34:30
week and you can check that out at Windsorstar dot com. Greig great having
34:34
on the show too, Thanks Austin Age. I would like to plug in
34:37
this morning. I have a couple things actually happening this week. So on
34:39
Friday, we're doing a Caribbean Night. We have a nice still drum band
34:43
coming and play, a couple of Jamaican restaurants coming in serving up some food.
34:47
So that's gonna be at the Windsor East Food Hall on Friday night.
34:51
And then Saturday, Sunday we are celebrating five to one nine days, so
34:53
May nineteenth is on Sunday. We are going to try to do a whole
34:57
celebration of everything Windsor bring in local physicians. We have a tattoo artist coming
35:01
in doing Windsor specific tattoos on people, like real tattoos on site. We
35:07
have drinks that are named after some prominent local Windsor ights, So it's just
35:13
basically a good reason to celebrate Windsor and a bunch of vendors that are coming
35:16
in as well. That's going to be Saturday night, Saturday and Sunday,
35:20
Saturday and Sunday. I always say that's my birthday weekend. I'm not on
35:22
May nineteenth, but I'm May seventeen, so that's like my birthday party again
35:27
May two, so I will be there if we will see you. I
35:30
was shocked at last time so many people did get actual tattoos. Oh yeah.
35:34
I think she was non stop booked from the moment our doors open to
35:37
when her hands were essentially saying no, you can't do it right. I
35:40
walked in Three people as I walked in last time, We're like, check
35:44
out the new tattoos. Like people aren't getting the tattoos. Wow, that's
35:46
gonna be a great time. I always love the events at Windsor. It's
35:50
always live having this brown table. Last but not least, mister John Lick,
35:52
you always like to plug in this morning listen to News Talk ten ten
35:58
tomorrow night at seven twenty. I appear weekly on the Jim Richards Show,
36:04
Roastly Politics on Saturdays is always a good listen. And then my podcast is
36:07
called Covetch with John lid Key and you should like sharing, subscribe find out
36:13
what you're convention about now. No, I love Jim Richards too. He's
36:16
great, he's hilarious. We follow each other, we've chatted a few times.
36:20
He's a great guy. Yeah, that's can be a good listen for
36:22
sure, John, Adriano, Craig, thank you again. More conversation is
36:25
on the way. Keep it here. It's the Dan McDonald's show on AIM.