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- 1:17Hello everyone and welcome to for Azeroth the podcast all
- 1:20about World of Warcraft. I'm your host Jocelyn and
- 1:22joining me as always is my co-host Manny Manny how has
- 1:25Azeroth been treating you this week?
- 1:28Just I just I think Shadowland is great.
- 1:34I think I'm horrible and I need to do something about it.
- 1:37I don't know. I've been spending this week
- 1:40looking at my looking at my deep sand like so proud of get your
- 1:45crit together. Like we've got people who are
- 1:47getting like 99th percentile legendary parses.
- 1:51I pulled one of them myself was quite happy this week.
- 1:58Not so much not so much occasionally last week.
- 2:02So the thing is though. We went from doing normal and we
- 2:06kind of took our time going through normal.
- 2:09We did it many many times over. We you know made sure we were
- 2:13getting some updates to our item level for all of our Raiders.
- 2:17Like we really took our time in normal before moving into
- 2:20heroic. And so I think we were a couple
- 2:22of weeks behind other teams when it comes to actually moving on
- 2:26into heroic. Means we would have been
- 2:29competing for damage against other normal teams whose like
- 2:34main goal as part of the expansion is just to down normal
- 2:39versus our team which uses it as like a springboard to learn the
- 2:43fights get some gear before heading into our real goal,
- 2:46which is ahead of the curve. Right?
- 2:48So we are going to parse lower in heroic grades because we're
- 2:54competing against teams at our level, but not only that That we
- 2:58are also going to be competing against teams who were doing
- 3:01Mythic right? Because they would have been
- 3:03going down in heroic again. Did you basically exactly the
- 3:05same thing that we were doing in normal, right?
- 3:08So I wouldn't worry about your parse that much like everyone
- 3:14even in this week when we went into heroic was hitting, you
- 3:18know, greens and blues and purples and you know, like our
- 3:22our team was doing very very well yourself included so don't
- 3:25beat yourself up too badly. Well, just I I think that's a
- 3:31great statement for everybody. And obviously when you apply to
- 3:34yourself, it's a lot harder great and I'm not gonna flip it
- 3:38around, you know who you are jaws.
- 3:40And and then hopefully we can get this little Sam Bowie a bite
- 3:44and just like play it back to you over Discord when you
- 3:47complain about your healing numbers.
- 3:49However, I look at my levels for my as I my purse for my item
- 3:56level primarily. Ali and I often don't care about
- 4:00like the general the general are all Percy.
- 4:04Yeah. Yeah.
- 4:06Um and I know why I'm hitting those numbers like my gearing
- 4:14isn't that good? Because well, it's it's not the
- 4:17same gearing that we had in PFA. I'm not able to like Target the
- 4:21best itemized pieces and I haven't been pushing myself to
- 4:26Target those pieces as much so like my I got like a lot of the
- 4:30stats that aren't the best for me and like I was using the non
- 4:37meta Covenant. aunt and I was using the non meta legendary and
- 4:42I wasn't using any of the augment runes and all of these
- 4:45things and I think that's kind of a microcosm of the general
- 4:52level like a lot of people are like, oh, you know, like I wish
- 4:56that this would be better and this would be better and we make
- 4:59those sacrifices like I went kurian instead of in fear and
- 5:03then fear is supposedly like the best performing for for my spec
- 5:10and I decided to go with with the ghost wolves legendary
- 5:15instead of the Doom when legendary and the do wins A is
- 5:19the best performing for my my spec?
- 5:22So I was already doing a couple of things that were like
- 5:27disadvantages that I would need to overcome and then on top of
- 5:34that my gearing so I had I looked at it and it wasn't like
- 5:38oh, you know like get good sort of thing.
- 5:40It's like well, what about what are these things?
- 5:42Can I do something about and if I could turn around and like get
- 5:46the best gear at all of that immediately.
- 5:49Oh, yeah, I would have done that but It's a different ball game
- 5:55now, so I went and I chose to but literally I looked and I was
- 6:01like, maybe I want to change covenants and how much is it
- 6:03going to be? This is to change the covenants
- 6:06and I use my warrior alt as a guinea pig to see how quickly I
- 6:11could get on a get back up on renowned levels.
- 6:15Which is great. I'm happy to report that like my
- 6:19warrior who hit 60 I think two weeks ago is now capped on
- 6:25renowned and actually hit the cap on renowned before my Shaman
- 6:28because of some other things I did right so that's great.
- 6:32Okay, so so it was a pretty quick I guess a thway
- 6:37changeover. Yeah to get your New Covenant
- 6:40renowned up. So because I know Matt just did
- 6:42this to my husband on his alt he We are sorry his main on his
- 6:47warlock. He changed his Covenant so it's
- 6:50okay. Yeah, he changed his Covenant
- 6:52from kyrian tonight Fay and he was saying he only has four
- 6:56renowned but I told him to look it up because I'm like, I'm sure
- 6:59it's faster than that. So yeah the like at some point
- 7:08I'll do a how to get renowned section how to get renounce
- 7:13session and maybe that'll Beyond next episode but I'm happy to
- 7:18say that you can get it again a fast there was a lot of
- 7:21conversation in the fast Discord where we were like well, okay
- 7:25what works and I think you can get it this way.
- 7:28So there's a lot of confusion about that.
- 7:29So it's definitely something we're going to do in the future,
- 7:31but I'm looked at that I'm kind of curious because I am so for
- 7:36Resto shamans night Faye is like the worst they are the worst it
- 7:41rating. They're the worst of Mythic
- 7:42place and they're the worst it tore guest so I very much like I
- 7:47love my knife a but now I'm done the Covenant story and I've
- 7:51unlocked a bunch of different like cosmetics and stuff.
- 7:54And I don't know I'm I'm teetering on the edge just
- 7:59because I want to be a better healer and I don't know how much
- 8:05of a difference it's actually going to make.
- 8:10I mean are you thinking event there to I like honestly, I know
- 8:16that the biggest issue with the transfusion the knife a ability
- 8:24is that it's very awkward to fit into your rotation.
- 8:28It is definitely is it's really awkward and it's not only
- 8:32awkward to fit into the rotation, but it's awkward to
- 8:34use the healing because basically what happens if you
- 8:37guys aren't familiar is the Knight family puts a circle on
- 8:41the ground and damages. In that Circle, but it's a
- 8:43channeled ability and then it gives you like it you store 40
- 8:49percent of that damage in yourself and then you can push
- 8:52the button again to release that number as healing to your
- 8:56allies, which means you have to be close to your allies in order
- 9:01to do that. So it's difficult in terms of
- 9:05positioning as well as difficult because you have to you know
- 9:08find I think it's like two and a half seconds of a channel. plus
- 9:13obviously the gcd to fit into your rotation when you're not
- 9:16doing anything else and Particularly in dungeons where I
- 9:22don't have like a heel team. It's really really difficult to
- 9:27use because it's like I'm staying there for two and a half
- 9:30seconds doing nothing. And in that time my allies have
- 9:34dropped way lower than I would ever be able to heal with that
- 9:38forty percent of the damage. Right?
- 9:39So it's very much. It's almost unusable in Mythic
- 9:44plus and I've tried a couple times like to kill off packs of
- 9:48things really quickly and like help with this like burst of
- 9:53damage because it is nice in Mythic.
- 9:55Us to be able to contribute some damage as a Healer, but it's
- 9:59definitely difficult and I basically can't use it in boss
- 10:01fights. So I've been I've been on the
- 10:06fence about swapping over to bed to vent the ER because then
- 10:11theater is supposed to be the best Covenant for Mythic plus
- 10:15and also the in terms of like weaving your ability into your
- 10:20rotation. It's supposed to be the easiest
- 10:22of the four. So yeah.
- 10:24Yeah just it's just whenever you would cast a chain heal you can
- 10:29use this ability with a 2 minute cooldown on that ability.
- 10:34And so Yeah. Yeah.
- 10:36I'm right there with you jealous.
- 10:38I'm looking at vent there. I decided that I'm going to make
- 10:44that as the last change I went and I got a rank 3 of the of the
- 10:51legendary that I that I had not been using to try and get use
- 10:56out of that and put that into rating to learn it a bit.
- 11:02And yeah, the next thing I gotta do is Goering and so that's
- 11:09that's where my week is being doubting myself trying.
- 11:12Figure out like how easy it is to make these switchovers and
- 11:16that sort of thing and it's given me a good appreciation of
- 11:21where shadowlands is. I guess I'm still in the pull
- 11:27the ripcord even after even after be like, okay, I'm gonna
- 11:31be with Kira and all of that stuff it like and I've enjoyed
- 11:35the storyline. I think that the totem is okay.
- 11:44Like I've literally changed up the back row that I used with
- 11:47the totem as well to as one of the changes but like yeah, I
- 11:52just I wish that I could choose something thematically that I
- 11:55want to do. Like if I wanted to be night
- 11:57Faye and enjoy enjoy that without it feeling like I'm a
- 12:00fairy but I feel like I am very seriously like decreasing
- 12:06holding the team back put yeah exactly.
- 12:10Yeah, and so it sucks to be in that position.
- 12:13I'm sorry that you are also feeling that but maybe the list
- 12:17Bears might tell us what they tell us their opinions and like
- 12:21maybe right in give us give us some opinions.
- 12:23Like what what should I do guys because I'm a little torn on it
- 12:27right now. Yeah, but I can't honestly I
- 12:31can't imagine not being night Fey on my main.
- 12:34I just I love my Covenant Hall so much.
- 12:37I love being in the area. I think it's my favorite Zone to
- 12:41just get around in. I don't know I I very much love
- 12:47it. But yeah, I'm also exalted a
- 12:50couple times over now with with the wild Hunt so I don't know.
- 12:55Have you been picking up those Paragon boxes?
- 12:57Yeah. Oh, yeah.
- 12:58Yeah, like I'm through the Paragon I think two or three
- 13:02times. I think I'm on my third one now
- 13:03like and none of my other covenants are this at exalted at
- 13:06all. It's like I just wow and just
- 13:09spend so much time in Arden wheel because I love it so much
- 13:12like I do every single World quest there every day.
- 13:15Just because I'm like I get there I go pick up my calling
- 13:17and I'm like, wow. Well, I'm here I might as well
- 13:20just go to these things. Then I could do those and then I
- 13:22do some of the anima things because I the conduit or I guess
- 13:26sir. I can't remember if they're
- 13:27actually called conduits. But you know where you get the
- 13:30map at the zone and you can Channel anima to a certain
- 13:32location. I've been like upgrading that
- 13:35like crazy and channeling the anime every day.
- 13:37So like I spend a good like hour hour and a half an Arn wield
- 13:41every day because I'm just like I just love it here and yeah
- 13:44like I never Anywhere, except oh, actually I go.
- 13:49Oh, whoops. I've said.
- 13:51My calling was actually Mel Drax has divested guess I better go
- 13:54and do like three to four. Well Quest over there before the
- 13:57quest expires. Then I go back to the Garden
- 13:59wheeled again, like let me try to find those secret.
- 14:02So there's a rare. I haven't killed you yet.
- 14:04Like I barely leave Arden wheeled.
- 14:06I am not mean maxing my wow time at all.
- 14:10I don't know. I just about to get my first
- 14:13Paragon chest. So like your your kid.
- 14:15Killing it dude. You got three times over are you
- 14:19like at least revered with the other covenants?
- 14:22I'm honored with most of them. I'm revered with the court of
- 14:28night. I think they're called which is
- 14:30like the special second Darden wields one because I think when
- 14:35you still neutral with them, I don't know.
- 14:37I was just like I was very tempted to go like, okay.
- 14:41What is up with this everyone else?
- 14:43I'm revered with them. They barely know me.
- 14:45And the avowed I got to I got to work on the about.
- 14:48Yeah, so I think that like I don't even know how you go about
- 14:53getting reputation because that's the only one that I have.
- 14:58That's like not the main Covenant one.
- 15:01So like the Arden Wheel Zone the main faction is the wild Hunt
- 15:07and then there's this other one that you can only get.
- 15:12I think there's some quests maybe like some of the side
- 15:14quests. Go towards the court of night.
- 15:17But the only way that I have been reliably getting reputation
- 15:21with them is through like I said that anima conduit thing that
- 15:26lets you send anima to different locations every single time.
- 15:29I finish one of those some of them give you world quests or
- 15:31rares to kill or dailies or whatever.
- 15:34I'm getting, you know, like 5 to 500 to 750 rep every time I do
- 15:40one of those activities so now I'm up to like six activities a
- 15:44day for them. So it's starting to add up
- 15:47really quickly nice, but I don't I don't know how else you would
- 15:51get reputation for them. Because like I say, I only have
- 15:54five reputations available to me not counting benari because
- 15:57she's weird but I have like one for each of the covenants and
- 16:02then this special Arden wheeled one, but I don't have any
- 16:05special ones for any of the other zones.
- 16:07So I don't know if those are Covenant specific because you
- 16:09said you switched covenants, right?
- 16:10So, I wonder if the I didn't I didn't I like you didn't know I
- 16:13tested it on my own. Alt whose life is like McGinty
- 16:18both. So you're neutral with the my
- 16:19main, huh? Interesting.
- 16:21Yeah, I'm on my main. I wonder if there's something I
- 16:23missed. I don't know I got I think I
- 16:26what I'm gonna do is just like wait till you login just come
- 16:30around on Wheels with you and get some of that the court a
- 16:33night. Yeah.
- 16:36But yeah that that's where I my head is being I like dogs.
- 16:42I was a trade when like we did real nice we stepped into heroic
- 16:49for the first time on Sunday got three bosses down.
- 16:53We went back in on Tuesday because it's Josh you were like,
- 16:55let's keep this momentum going mailed another boss and then got
- 16:59to 2% 2% on artificer on our best attempt.
- 17:04And didn't quite get artificer down.
- 17:07I are going to we were so close and we had a couple of it's so
- 17:12funny. It's like as soon as we get into
- 17:14heroic and the normal mechanics start hitting a little bit
- 17:18harder. It's almost like people start to
- 17:20panic and it's like guys we had all of these things in normal
- 17:24and we've done normal like eight times now, come on.
- 17:27Let's go not actually eight times more like four times, but
- 17:31still I've unfortunately a couple of those times, but I
- 17:37just I are doing really very happy.
- 17:41Yeah, that was it was a very good first couple of raid nights
- 17:45into Castle North Korea, I was like kissing and then I was
- 17:51like, no not the raid. No.
- 17:54No, but ya know like two nights in already four out of ten very
- 18:00happy about that considering that each night is two hours.
- 18:05So yeah, we have short. I know they're yeah, I know that
- 18:10there are some other teams that have been like really trying to
- 18:14push themselves or and are only like a little bit further ahead
- 18:18of So I'm very proud of our team for like pushing like we have
- 18:23hoping to get back in there next week, but come Sunday.
- 18:27We got our normal Farm because I still have been killed tired
- 18:30after you I've missed out on that and Lauren stuff then yeah,
- 18:39miss it. It's I'm all like yeah.
- 18:40No. No, you guys are carrying my but
- 18:42through this. I'm sorry.
- 18:44I need my head. I need my like 1250 and ammo.
- 18:48So whatever that all you guys are skipping out on or D ran off
- 18:52with the I didn't get it. Yeah, and it's so funny cause
- 18:57like I think one of our Raiders had plugged, I don't know normal
- 19:01or heroic or something, but had pugs some bosses anyways and had
- 19:05gotten The Sire kill and was talking about some of the lore
- 19:08stuff before we got our sire kill.
- 19:10It was like, oh, yeah. You just have to go here and
- 19:12turn the quest in to this person and They give you another
- 19:16question then you go to this thing and then you get a
- 19:18cinematic and we're like I'm not seeing the quest.
- 19:20I'm not seeing the glass. She's like, oh right.
- 19:25You haven't cheated on you guys. I'm out outed myself.
- 19:29Exactly. It's like awkward weird.
- 19:35Yeah, but yeah, I think overall it's been a good week and we had
- 19:40a lot of fun in raid. And yeah, we want to know what
- 19:43you guys think in terms of whether or Or not we should
- 19:45change our covenants because it seems like both both Manny and I
- 19:48and to me it is just straight up because now the the Covenant
- 19:53story is done. So I feel like I've done my duel
- 19:56or diligence in my original Covenant and as much as I love
- 20:01the Zone, maybe it's time to move on Just for for rating
- 20:04throughput so yeah, let us know what she still thinks that Ross.
- 20:07Okay, I guess but you can't go in the heart of the forest when
- 20:10you're not a knife and that makes me so sad.
- 20:12I didn't realize that at all. Until I tried to go in on my
- 20:16Hunter and they wouldn't let me and I was like all anyways, we
- 20:21should we should jump into the news.
- 20:24We've got some players who received bands today for
- 20:27exploiting a bug used to generate infinite stygia.
- 20:31So this is the currency that you use with venerian the maw so it
- 20:38allowed them to unlock and upgrade all the possible
- 20:41conduits for the class and the punishments have Varied from one
- 20:45to seven days of suspensions and all of the condiment conduit
- 20:49ranks reduced by up to three levels and stygia gains
- 20:53obviously also rolled back. So like, okay.
- 20:59I want to talk a little bit about exploits right now because
- 21:02there's an exploit over on the Hearthstone side as well that
- 21:05gives you a competitive advantage in some game modes and
- 21:09I don't understand players that take advantage of some of these
- 21:15things and think that they're like not going to get found out
- 21:19or not going to get punished or that they think that it's like
- 21:23what the right thing to do. I really don't understand so My
- 21:27quest as night Fay to finish my my Covenant thing.
- 21:31You're supposed to get a token right that you can turn in for a
- 21:35weapon and I ended up getting a token for a weapon and an
- 21:39offhand. I still haven't turned those in
- 21:41because I'm like this feels wrong.
- 21:44I think it's a glitch. I'm not gonna do it because I
- 21:47don't want to get in trouble like, okay, so that yeah, that's
- 21:54a that's the Other Extreme. I think you could Turn those in
- 21:58and later on you might log in and find that one of them
- 22:02disappear. So I wouldn't delete your off
- 22:04hand or your mate your made him tokens.
- 22:07They're both just sitting in my bags right now because I'm like,
- 22:10I don't know what to do with this awkward.
- 22:13Yeah, my opinion for that one is most likely that they're going
- 22:16to give a second token to the other is because get it.
- 22:23Yeah because it is exclusively for the Night Vale another perk.
- 22:26Of being night Vegas is that they were get a getting both two
- 22:31tokens rather than every other clue Covenant.
- 22:35That was only getting one of the token.
- 22:37So I think in that better it's a simple programming bug it is
- 22:42more likely that they're going to be like, you know, what here
- 22:46guys. Everybody else using offhand
- 22:48thing everybody. Yeah.
- 22:50Here's another token right here gives an offhand token, right
- 22:53because it's a weird little bug where it like, let's say you're
- 22:56using a staff right the one tokens enough, but if you're
- 22:59using a shield and and Amanda weapon, Then you're kind of
- 23:05disadvantaged. It's a very strange thing.
- 23:07So I think it would actually be better for them to give both
- 23:12both of them and have and have done with it.
- 23:14Yeah, I mean at first I thought it was because I was playing
- 23:17Shaman and I did have the option of having, you know, one thing
- 23:20in each hand like a weapon in an offhand, but then other people
- 23:24who were playing Shaman in different covenants were like,
- 23:26well I didn't get to it I was like, oh no.
- 23:29Oh I did something wrong. Oh, please don't put me in
- 23:32blizzard jail. Yeah, like but like do your
- 23:38original point I think that it is a matter of like oh this is
- 23:42so this is so small that blizzards not going to really do
- 23:48anything about it the same people who use those fishing
- 23:51Bots like, oh it's fishing. It's such a small little thing
- 23:54and I know a player who otherwise was a very exemplary
- 23:59player and a and hated fishing and decided to use like a little
- 24:03Automotive. A Shinto to help with fishing
- 24:06and they got slapped they got they got a suspension right?
- 24:13They didn't roll it back because those those fish had been put in
- 24:16the feasts and little did I know that I had been eating
- 24:19ill-gotten food. You're profiting off of
- 24:25itemized. Wow players Manny tisk tisk tisk
- 24:29you go. Um, You're gonna get caught.
- 24:33This is all digital. There's records of it like the
- 24:36stuff you say in chat, even if it's in a whisper is recorded
- 24:40guys. Come on, right?
- 24:43Anyways, I this didya. Exploit was incredibly
- 24:51exploitive. This is not the same as oh I got
- 24:54an extra item. Okay, I'll use I'll use this
- 24:56extra item and then players like oh you are supposed to get that
- 25:00item. Um, we're going we're going to
- 25:03roll it back. You won't get a you won't
- 25:06probably the worst thing you'll have is that they will take the
- 25:10item away. But with an item like that, you
- 25:17might have deleted your old item.
- 25:18They'd have to replace it. There's in that particular case
- 25:22guys. I really think that it is
- 25:24unlikely that blizzard is going to remove the extra item because
- 25:30of the the cascading effect and you're not intending to explain
- 25:36it. You just got the item and you
- 25:37use it not everybody is on Wowhead and listening to well.
- 25:42Yeah exactly. That's her off.
- 25:44I didn't realize it was it was a problem until I started talking
- 25:47about it with friends and guilt chat.
- 25:50And then I was like, oh wait everybody didn't get these same
- 25:52rewards because I was like, oh I like I'm working on the quest
- 25:56now and yeah, it tells me I should get these things and then
- 25:59sure enough. I turned it in.
- 26:00I was like, oh, yeah, I did. I got two tokens and then I was
- 26:02thinking then like I said had the conversation about what if
- 26:05it was for Shaman and then having other people say well no,
- 26:08I can hold two things as well and I didn't get like a weapon
- 26:11in an offhand token. So, you know, It was then that I
- 26:14realized there was a problem. Like wow, it didn't tell me my
- 26:17guild mates did but still yeah, you know, not everybody is your
- 26:22right actively looking for that kind of info every time they do
- 26:26a quest and get a reward like if I popped up a quest and it was
- 26:29like this Quest gives you two thousand gold.
- 26:31I be like sweet. Hope it's repeatable.
- 26:33Like I wouldn't think someone put an extra zero in there.
- 26:37So yeah, I definitely don't look up Quest rewards from every
- 26:42single Quest that I do. Yeah, exactly.
- 26:45And so like my my biggest thing would be with the stygia exploit
- 26:54you had to repeat it. And you did this at nauseam to
- 26:59constantly wasn't like you did it once and you gotta incredible
- 27:02amount of synesthesia. You would do it over and over
- 27:05and over and over and over again, you would never get
- 27:07Jailer levels to finally kick you out of the mall and be like
- 27:10you're you're done. It's not an effective far.
- 27:13Tool it was this infinite farm. And that's what college is like
- 27:17stood in one place and clicked one thing and just got like two
- 27:21stingy at a time and people just stood there click click click.
- 27:24And yeah, and it would be like to see deer from like these
- 27:27relatively innocuous enemies that would die like 20 at a
- 27:31time. So you get like 40 stayed here
- 27:33by pressing one button and you do that over and over and over
- 27:35and over again, right, but I got again.
- 27:40Eventually blizzard came back from holidays was like what in
- 27:45the world guys? What do you think you are going
- 27:48into what's going to happen and they were able to take back the
- 27:53exact amount that that was done through this and if you used it
- 27:58to like upgrade your contact conduits your condo, it's across
- 28:03the board got hit by these suspensions that were based on
- 28:07how much you exploited it. So, it's not only did they know
- 28:10you Exploited it. They knew how much or how have
- 28:13you went into this? Right?
- 28:16So like it's just guys if you see something and it seems too
- 28:19good to be true. It is very easy right to walk
- 28:24away look it up and then be like, yeah this seems like an
- 28:27exploit. Yeah, right.
- 28:31So just do did this just don't do it.
- 28:33Yeah cheaters never Prosper. That's what I put in the notes
- 28:36TX. Never Prosper.
- 28:38Okay, so tell me because I have been keeping myself at kind of
- 28:43arm's length from tour guests since just upgrading my
- 28:46legendary as far as it's gonna go for now and not needing to do
- 28:51so lash runs over and over and over again.
- 28:53So tell me about this bonus event that's happening in tour
- 28:57guests. Joss the Beast of poured sorry
- 29:03Pro DG project approved a prodigy.
- 29:06Mm. Okay, Jim Provisions.
- 29:08I'm gonna go with Purdue Jim. Anyways, they it's a it's a
- 29:14bonus event that will happen in in tour gas and only in the main
- 29:21sector of tour guess this doesn't happen in the twisting
- 29:23quarters, right? And what happens is that you
- 29:27will get better. Social Animal Powers, whenever
- 29:30you see whenever you do this, it'll be offered right at the
- 29:33beginning that you can choose and in this one you get like a
- 29:37pet. So if you've been really missing
- 29:39your Hunter while you be playing your Shaman Jaws, this is the
- 29:42event for you still not going to get me in there to play to our
- 29:45guests. Get to choose between two pets
- 29:52one. Is this kind of Tanki pet that
- 29:56has some CC so it'll like give you a replacement for Rocky.
- 30:01The the other one is this kind of buff bot that does a little
- 30:07more damage and so you get to choose.
- 30:11Either those powers or the three you would normally pick so this
- 30:14week 5 will be offered for it to you.
- 30:16Right if you choose one of the bonus Powers there is a chance
- 30:20that when you pick up additional animal powers What are the
- 30:25options offered to you could be an upgrade for for your your
- 30:29beasts? It allows you to play in a
- 30:33little bit different add some variety to tour guests and this
- 30:37is coming like literally the week after the twisting quarters
- 30:42have opened up and we've now seen the totality of what tour
- 30:45gas has to offer. So these bonus events do they
- 30:49apply to both normal tour gas runs up to difficulty 8 with six
- 30:55floors each as well as twisting corridors, which is the 18th
- 30:59floor challenge mode. Are these events available
- 31:03across both they are only available through the main ones?
- 31:07Okay. So only the the normal sixth
- 31:10floor runs not twisting corridors.
- 31:12Now, there are a bunch of them. We did talk about them when they
- 31:15were being tested on the beta if people want to look back at
- 31:18that, but there is also a calendar that blizzard has put
- 31:23out. So the next time that you'll see
- 31:27this event will be April 6 and then it's going to be back on
- 31:30June 29th. I'm sure it'll be back later in
- 31:33the year, but they didn't put out of the put it out that far.
- 31:36This is a this is like a standalone thing though, right?
- 31:39It's not part of the weekly Quest like rotation.
- 31:45No, it's not part of the weekly test totally separate like so it
- 31:48doesn't impact like when the next time time walking is gonna
- 31:51come up. No, no Google perfect.
- 31:55Yeah, which time walking is next week.
- 31:57I'm going to be diving into that.
- 31:59Um, but yeah, it's just so when you go into tour gas if let's
- 32:05say you really feel your your class is hard to play through
- 32:10onto our guests or your pasta / spec.
- 32:12This might be a way to make it a bit easier easier for you if the
- 32:17these abilities work better for you testing it myself.
- 32:20I went in with Jared from merely a setback.
- 32:23He chose the Tanki Beast. I chose the like buff ball
- 32:27Feast. Yeah.
- 32:29Um, I wasn't super impressed with the bus. bog Beast the tank
- 32:36one I think is actually a nice one.
- 32:40If you are if you're having difficulties going toe-to-toe
- 32:44with some of these enemies. Yeah, he's happy that from just
- 32:49from what you've said. It sounds like it's much more of
- 32:54an actual pet instead of like Rocky which is an ability in
- 32:59that and also you said that there's Powers you can choose
- 33:02that can make it more powerful which I'm assuming would also
- 33:05include things like buffing its Health, which if that's the case
- 33:09then it seems like this might actually carry you through some
- 33:12difficulties that maybe you haven't been able to do yet.
- 33:15I know I've been able to run All the way up to level 8, but I
- 33:22also haven't been able to make it through level one of the
- 33:26twisting corridors yet. So I trusting quarters man that
- 33:34I did Meyer layer to just yesterday and it still took me
- 33:39like an hour 45 ish. I think actually yeah sort of
- 33:432000. I was gonna say I think you need
- 33:44to if you're going to do a twisting corridors run.
- 33:47You just have to expect it's going to take two hours.
- 33:49If not more. Yeah, just put the diamond time
- 33:52aside with the time as I'd and that's going to be your evening,
- 33:57which I hope that they just saw. Things there.
- 34:01It's like the length is a bit tiresome.
- 34:04Anyways, um again, this is like a nice change of pace.
- 34:09I do suggest people try a try it out just because it likes some
- 34:15of the abilities are fun. Like actually having like the
- 34:17Beast that like will taunt everything / of down and then
- 34:21when the Beast quote-unquote dies it explodes and kills
- 34:25everything around it with a nice fun little trick that Jared was
- 34:29he using There are other ones that are like really group Focus
- 34:33like the course of the Dead everybody gets to like jump into
- 34:37like this like amalgamation of Souls and you like have one
- 34:41person staring while everybody else is using abilities.
- 34:44So there's some there are some like cool ones in here and I'm
- 34:49glad they started with this one because this is the most
- 34:51pedestrian of them and they just get weirder and more fun
- 34:54afterwards. Good.
- 34:56Well, I mean, I'm glad that they are playing with stuff in this
- 34:59mode with tour gasping. So Central to the expansion in
- 35:05terms of you know, how you level up your legendaries.
- 35:09Like I'm glad that they're at least playing around with it.
- 35:12Even if it's not my favorite thing.
- 35:14I know that there's a lot of people that enjoy it and the
- 35:17more that they play around with it, especially when it's like
- 35:20optional stuff. It's like you can still go in
- 35:22and do your normal tour guest run and not choose.
- 35:25To take like advantage of the of the bonus event.
- 35:28Right? Like you can just go and choose
- 35:29your regular stuff. So I think that that's kind of
- 35:32key to making this mode remain fun for those that enjoy it is
- 35:37like let them do what they already like, but also give them
- 35:41more options at the same time. Yeah.
- 35:45It's like the right type of experimentation exactly and I'm
- 35:50glad that for people who don't like it.
- 35:52We were we have now reached the point where you We've been able
- 35:55to craft a rank for even if you weren't clearing everything up
- 36:01to the up to the Limit and be able to step back from from it.
- 36:07Now with your legendary in hand and no longer feeling like
- 36:10you're forced to go in there. Yeah, which is exactly what I've
- 36:13done. So we also had a PC Gamer
- 36:18article that went up this week. I was basically like a state of
- 36:21the game article. It was kind of raised as if it
- 36:23was an interview with But there's only a couple of
- 36:26questions that were actually put to Ian right at the very end of
- 36:29the article. And so it was more of just like
- 36:32a follow-up to their initial review of the expansion but
- 36:36there was one section of one of the questions that we kind of
- 36:40wanted to highlight and Ian basically said in it was a it
- 36:46was an answer to a question about player feedback and he
- 36:50said that what they've heard the most feedback of is the reduced
- 36:54rate. Which players earn item rewards
- 36:57which he said it was something that they significantly reduced
- 37:01and he went on to say at the same time.
- 37:04They also Stripped Away Randomness and tried to give
- 37:06everyone more clear goals to pursue and control over there /
- 37:10their progress towards them when it comes to PVP itemization
- 37:14specifically, we're really happy with how that's playing out.
- 37:17But we think we could do more to make the experience of running
- 37:20Dungeons and raids feel more satisfying when you don't get a
- 37:24specific item. Mm you were hoping for and I can
- 37:28I can definitely see this because I feel like Dungeons are
- 37:36maybe slightly different because you can I mean assuming I don't
- 37:40know. Beast Boy death me in my head.
- 37:44It's like you can run Mythic plus dungeons over and over and
- 37:47over again. Now, if you're trying to get a
- 37:49very specific thing then that's kind of difficult because keys
- 37:54are random but if you're like, hey, I really want something out
- 37:57of theater of pain you could literally go to group finder and
- 38:01run pluses of theater of pain until your eyes bleed.
- 38:05Like that's a thing you could do.
- 38:08Where is like raid you get a chance to go in and kill a boss.
- 38:11It's like once a week, right so that feels a little bit less
- 38:16good because it's not as farmable, but I had a pretty
- 38:21good experience so far in this expansion.
- 38:25I'm really enjoying no Titan forging Yeah, I'm I'm very much
- 38:32enjoying the current gearing process.
- 38:36I am also feeling the like what's being talked about here.
- 38:41Like like I was saying that my gear isn't perfectly itemized.
- 38:45I'm at a good item level for entering like really good item
- 38:49level for entering into heroics. I'm at like 205 206 ish.
- 38:55Right? Um, but my stats aren't what I
- 38:58would want to watch. At them to be there pretty
- 39:00evenly spread so I would want to be targeting specific gear that
- 39:04is like, you know the best in slot right?
- 39:07I'm really glad that when I get that best in slot piece.
- 39:13That's it. I've gotten it.
- 39:14I don't need the tide in Forge version.
- 39:17I don't need ya you like perfect corruption on it.
- 39:21I'm done with it. It's like what I'm like I can
- 39:23actually maintain a best in slot list.
- 39:26That means something because I'm no longer making a choice
- 39:28between I mean the thing that should be my best in slot versus
- 39:33the thing that's worst, but titan-forged up 20 item levels
- 39:36and all of a sudden I'm like, maybe it's better.
- 39:39You know, like I like that I can actually be like no I need this
- 39:43piece off this boss and this piece off this boss and this
- 39:45piece from this place and this piece is crafted and this is
- 39:48where my legendary goes like. That's just a better experience.
- 39:51It feels like a shopping list and I like that.
- 39:56I don't like the feeling of just like I need to go.
- 39:59Go back in every single week at nauseam and just hope that I get
- 40:03what I need. exactly, and so I also like that they've said set
- 40:12it to where like because primary stats for like most every spec
- 40:17is worth like up to three times the amount that like your
- 40:22secondaries are item level is King again.
- 40:25You see something that is a 15 item level upgrade and you can
- 40:31pretty much be certain that it's gonna be better for you right
- 40:38there. Of course.
- 40:38First will be those Corner cases.
- 40:41I remember the last time I said this and I was like no no no
- 40:43Josh 59 and levels got and then I immediately people are coming
- 40:47in to be like actually well. Yeah for me in general.
- 40:51It's like Rings, right? They don't have primary stats.
- 40:54Like those are the ones that item level is kind of math
- 40:57because yeah secondary stats have much differing weights.
- 41:03Yeah, and I mean leeches also a thing still God and lie, Jim for
- 41:08Jesus thing still, but I'm very happy that I've reached a point
- 41:13where I can like Jim anything that doesn't already have the a
- 41:16gem. So like that's no longer a
- 41:21make-or-break. It's rather it rather.
- 41:23It's a hey this will save me I forget 7K did you do whatever
- 41:29the hell it was? So I really am enjoying the
- 41:33system the part that they're mostly concerned about is that
- 41:36yeah like Joss you're running. A you're running Mythic plus
- 41:42this season with it with the team.
- 41:43So you're actually doing Mythic last week to week but there will
- 41:48be weeks where you just don't get anything out of your Mythic
- 41:51plus run because maybe miss the timer timer and only one piece
- 41:57of loot drops and that's it. That's still really great
- 42:03because at the end of the week, even if you didn't tie and let's
- 42:06say you did a 10 and you didn't quite time.
- 42:08It you're still getting a 220 in the in a week in the weekly.
- 42:12And yeah, the point of contention now is if you're
- 42:16after oh man, I really need a pair of gloves because gloves
- 42:19were like a sore point for me. I'd 184 is from like before the
- 42:23raid opened. I could just never replace
- 42:26that's a problem because it doesn't matter if I run a bunch
- 42:31of content if no gloves drop for me and I'm like literally
- 42:35handing out chest piece and and Send all the other slots, right?
- 42:40I'm still stuck with that glove. So they want to try and get a
- 42:43little bit of hey, you do the run.
- 42:46You don't get gear you do the raid.
- 42:48You don't get gear is there something outside of gear that
- 42:51we can give you to like make that activity feel a little bit
- 42:56more rewarding. So you're not there at the end
- 42:58of night being like man. I really didn't get anything
- 43:01from that run. Like I felt like I didn't get
- 43:05didn't. Didn't actually get rewarded.
- 43:09I really want to know what happened to the bad luck
- 43:12protection /pd timer conversation because I feel like
- 43:17that was something that was happening back in like eight
- 43:19point two ish. Maybe a point three, but I feel
- 43:23like like late in battle for Azeroth.
- 43:25We were having conversations and blizzard was was having
- 43:28conversations and saying, you know like that.
- 43:31They had heard the feedback and that they were looking into
- 43:33these kind of things where it would be like hey if you get
- 43:36pants, Then and and you equip pants, then you won't get pants
- 43:41until you get other stuff. Like that's I think what I want
- 43:45to see in this system because there's been times where you
- 43:49know, I've opened my great Vault or mats opened his great fault
- 43:52and it's like hey you had five options and they're all rings
- 43:56and you don't need a ring and that feels terrible because then
- 43:59you're just playing first week going up three rings in the Belk
- 44:03those like yeah, so that's the kind of thing where it's just
- 44:06like, okay. So if this week I take a ring
- 44:10out of my great Vault and equip it then, you know, I don't get
- 44:14rings again for multiple weeks until I've gotten gear for other
- 44:19slots sort of thing. Like that's that's the kind of
- 44:22system that I would like to see them put in the background to
- 44:25make sure that I'm not constantly getting the same slot
- 44:29over and over and over again because that was my problem
- 44:31gearing and normal is I was getting chess pieces and belts
- 44:34like crazy and I was just like these Help like I need gloves
- 44:38and boots and legs and bracers like all of those things.
- 44:42I'm still wearing my crafted gear at like 158 or something.
- 44:46So I was just like I was really struggling because none of the
- 44:49pieces that were dropping for me or that we're tradeable from my
- 44:52friends filled this like I ended up getting most of my level 200
- 44:57gear from our last couple of runs of normal because everybody
- 45:00else had been able to gear up and was able to trade me stuff.
- 45:04Like I was getting other people's loot drops and out of
- 45:07raid because they were already done like gearing up.
- 45:12I was used a leveling up no gearing up.
- 45:14So you know that could I just get a great focus on can I focus
- 45:18on that that last little bit that he said Just You Got Gear
- 45:23because other people had already gotten that gear and were able
- 45:26to trade you thank goodness. Tiny energy is gone.
- 45:29Yes. Because we're talking about how
- 45:33it could be better in this conversation.
- 45:35But I do want to stress how much better it already.
- 45:39It's already better a hundred percent because yeah, we are
- 45:42able to trade a whole lot more. I still stand by that I don't
- 45:46like the trading system. I wish that it was waived or
- 45:49different for Guild groups or something.
- 45:52Like I think there's still more room for improvement, but
- 45:54getting rid of Titan forging I think it's like the best thing
- 45:57that they've done for organized teams.
- 46:00Yeah, long time because you're right.
- 46:03It does feel a lot better the fact that like people get a
- 46:06piece of loot to drop and it's a 200 and they already have a 200
- 46:09and then they have the ability to make the choice but they do
- 46:14have the option to trade it to me which is like and how I got
- 46:18most of my gear so Yeah, I'm just I'm so happy with that.
- 46:23So Josh you were talking about. Okay, you want them to have that
- 46:28sort of bad luck protection and for or for people who remember
- 46:33or don't remember other for the people who don't remember what
- 46:36they were saying back in 8.3 was that bad luck where if you were
- 46:40offered a belt in your weekly chest then the next week you
- 46:46wouldn't get offered a belt much like you were saying it was only
- 46:50four. One week and that was mostly
- 46:53because the weekly chest only ever offered you one thing.
- 46:59Right? And so the great vault is kind
- 47:02of like their answer to that bad luck protection is like if you
- 47:05unlock more slots you get more choice, but if all of my, you
- 47:10know, four five six slots offer me the same gear slot exactly.
- 47:15Yeah, like that's so Sublime. That doesn't fix.
- 47:17Oh, that's not a solution. Yeah, so I've got to two
- 47:21thoughts on it right one. Is that whenever you you don't
- 47:28get Gear out of a dungeon boss end of end of run or Raid boss.
- 47:38You get either valid points was the big one that everybody keeps
- 47:42talking about where you can use those Valor points and you can
- 47:48Target specific gear off of a vendor but by buying it with
- 47:51Valor, right that's going back to the old system yet.
- 47:56There was also a suggestion of when you can use those valid
- 48:04points to upgrade gear you already have which was also it
- 48:09was also suggested that we talked on stream and I dare.
- 48:12I really just had based on the conversation you and I had was
- 48:15that you could have Bonus roles, but they re-roll one of the
- 48:22options out of your grade fault. Hmm.
- 48:25I think that would be something that changes around like you're
- 48:29not gonna speed up your gearing by suddenly being like Oh, I
- 48:33didn't get loot. Let me bonus role because they
- 48:35got rid of bonus rolls for a reason.
- 48:37Right? Right.
- 48:39You're still getting the same number of potential options.
- 48:42You're still getting the same one piece of gear.
- 48:44You're just giving yourself another chance at something.
- 48:48thing that fits your character better exactly, and I think that
- 48:53could be the Difference Maker right like I know they're still
- 49:00going to be the bad luck where it rolls and you get another
- 49:04item you didn't want but really you're looking at like these out
- 49:09stretches. These like wires are bad luck.
- 49:13Right and I think that the other part that they could really do
- 49:18is If you are offered an item in your great Vault, it cannot
- 49:24appear in other options because I have seen it.
- 49:28It just happened to be you get offered an item at 220.
- 49:32And then the the item that to succeed is the same item just
- 49:35lower item level. Yeah, come on.
- 49:37Why would anybody choose that to 16?
- 49:39Yeah, just just self isolating either you either want the you
- 49:44either want the 220 or you don't want that.
- 49:47Peace and either way you're not going.
- 49:50Use that to 16 which then does feel like a like a wasted slot
- 49:54for sure. Yeah.
- 49:57And I think maybe they can do both those.
- 49:59Yeah, I think they probably could and I would I would like
- 50:02to see them kind of iterate on that great Vault a little bit in
- 50:069.1 whenever that happens. I'm sure we're going to get more
- 50:10information at BlizzCon line, which is coming in February.
- 50:14And yeah, I think we're going to get more information than and I
- 50:18would like to see them take some time and really look at that
- 50:23loot system, which it sounds like they are doing.
- 50:27But yeah, I'd like to get a little bit more of an idea of
- 50:30kind of where their heads at because I like the rate at which
- 50:34we're getting gear right now. I just wish there were a couple
- 50:38of little tweaks to make it like properly rewarding or at least
- 50:42my idea of properly rewarding I don't want it to be, you know, a
- 50:47bajillion pieces every week. I think we're at a good rate
- 50:50with the I feel like I'm getting, you know, maybe one or
- 50:54two pieces from like rating. And Mythic plus activities and
- 50:58then I'm getting my great felt peace and that feels good to me
- 51:02as well. As you know, upgrading my
- 51:04legendary. Like I feel like I'm getting
- 51:05progressively better every week and it doesn't need to be like
- 51:11Way more powerful every week. You know, these smaller
- 51:16increments is fine. And I think feels good and keeps
- 51:18me engaged and wanting to do the content and hoping for more loot
- 51:23drops instead of just being like, you know, every boss.
- 51:27Okay, wait, I have to stop and figure out if this is better or
- 51:30not like yeah. So anyways all that to say I'm
- 51:34sure we're going to get more information in February and I
- 51:37hope they're taking a look at the great Vault specifically
- 51:39because I think that is the place that's going To be the
- 51:42easiest to tweak because it is limited to one piece of gear per
- 51:46week. So we'll have to see what they
- 51:48have to say. Last piece of news.
- 51:51This week is about coming in campaigns which is going to lead
- 51:53into our lore section. But the Covenant campaigns are
- 51:56now complete we are up to renowned level 24 so we can
- 52:01complete the story of the Covenant and to get the which
- 52:06will give you all of your campaign rewards, which is your
- 52:09third Soul bind the weapon, too. Is that we were talking about
- 52:13the ability to rescue more souls from The Moth.
- 52:16So instead of that we were up to 10.
- 52:20So now we can get 15 a week. Yes.
- 52:24I need that for my upgrades which I think I screwed up
- 52:27because if I had picked that Quest up last I think it would
- 52:31have let me get 15 instead of 10.
- 52:34No, there's no way to get to that.
- 52:36Oh, okay II 24 so you'd actually have to finish this week's to
- 52:41get to it and they right. Okay, try it.
- 52:43They may turn the schedule like that.
- 52:44So you don't think don't worry about it.
- 52:46You didn't really lose out on five.
- 52:48Okay, good. Yeah.
- 52:51I know. I also got a mount with mine and
- 52:55I got an adventure table guy and I also got weapon transmog
- 53:00stuff. So yeah, I have too many
- 53:04lifetime guys. I'm not into Adventure tables.
- 53:06I really do. Mine's at rank 1 I'm when I was
- 53:14we were talking about like everybody has yeah.
- 53:16I just I cannot be bothered with it.
- 53:18I just I don't like the mission table.
- 53:20I wish they had just left it alone and not brought it back
- 53:24and put that development tough time in there any else other
- 53:28Ventures? Yes, but I it's still find it
- 53:34annoying every time I unlocked the lock a new adventure and it
- 53:38takes the average the average level.
- 53:40So all of my my regular forces go down.
- 53:43Yes, some of the some of the dudes you're like.
- 53:46Oh man. You've been I've been questing
- 53:48with you and I've been with you through this whole entire
- 53:51Covenant campaign and somehow your level 1 like were you not
- 53:56paying attention at all to what we were doing?
- 53:58Did you not gain any experience through questing with me?
- 54:03Like none of my Boos rubbed off on you.
- 54:06You're just stupid asshole T even figure out how they're
- 54:08like, you know, I swing an axe man.
- 54:10It's not that hard. Yeah, I do find it really funny
- 54:14that when you get them their level 1 I'm just like, uh, this
- 54:17does not reflect the story and also is a pain because now I
- 54:22have to level you up. Yeah.
- 54:25But yes, the mounts are awesome. And I'm really glad that I got
- 54:30those notes. He wrote three out of the four
- 54:32covenants get mounts who didn't get him out.
- 54:36It's been hot fixed. Oh, okay.
- 54:40If you had done it earlier Josh you would have been part of her
- 54:43can wield who for some reason wasn't getting amount, but
- 54:46they've hot fixed it now. Oh, okay.
- 54:48I was like, no. I got my Mount but I also
- 54:52completed my story a couple of days later.
- 54:56So I wasn't able to actually do it on Tuesday.
- 54:59Usually, I'm really busy Tuesday Wednesday.
- 55:02So I actually did it on Thursday and man avoiding spoilers was
- 55:07difficult. I found there's so many people
- 55:12talking about at the the campaign's every week.
- 55:16Which is great. I'm glad that people are so
- 55:18excited. A man avoiding spoilers was a
- 55:23job and a half. So speaking of campaign
- 55:26spoilers. We are about to talk about the
- 55:30night fake campaign as voted by you guys and it's kind of funny
- 55:36because honestly, like I know I think you guys voted for night
- 55:41Fay because you know how much I love the zone and how much I
- 55:43love the night fake Covenant and so I'm assuming you were trying
- 55:47to be nice to me. But if it was up to me, I kind
- 55:50of think I might have left this campaign for last because it's
- 55:54the like I found the knife a campaign to be a little
- 55:58disappointing like I thought it was pretty disjointed overall.
- 56:03It actually tells like three different stories in one and I'm
- 56:08going to tell the story of the night fake campaign split into
- 56:11those three stories and tell them chronologically instead of
- 56:14like how we played them through in-game because we did like one
- 56:19week of one story and the next week.
- 56:21It was the start of the next story in the next week was the
- 56:23start of the next story and then we went back to the first story
- 56:25again, and then we went to the second part of the Second story
- 56:28and it was really like it was just jarring.
- 56:32So I mean you're not alone in that like a tar Discord and in
- 56:37various conversations that has been the criticism of the knife
- 56:42a story campaign. Well, and I do not like we're
- 56:45not involved with anything else like the knife a story campaign
- 56:49exist, like within its own total bubble.
- 56:52We don't talk to any of the other covenants.
- 56:54We don't deal with the events of the raid we Don't you know have
- 56:59anything to do with the Grandeur Shadowland story which makes me
- 57:03think because some of these things and then also there's
- 57:07very little resolution at the end of these three different
- 57:10story lines. So I feel like the night fake
- 57:13campaign is probably a jumping off point for some things like
- 57:16further on in the expansion, but that's not the most satisfying
- 57:21experience as a member of that Covenant.
- 57:24So I I would have covered this last If it was up to me, but you
- 57:29guys voted and said you wanted to hear about the night face.
- 57:31So we're going to talk about it today and it started off really
- 57:37strong and it also involves some pretty big Lor characters in all
- 57:42three of these stories. So if they had just chosen like
- 57:46one of these three stories and kind of carried it all the way
- 57:50through to completion then I think it would have been a
- 57:53better campaign, but we kind of got what felt like the start of
- 57:58Of three important stories. So basically it started off
- 58:02really strong and I absolutely loved it because you in the very
- 58:07first week of your Covenant campaign is night Faye you have
- 58:10to put on a play and like an actual play on a stage glorious
- 58:16all of the members of your Covenant sitting out on an
- 58:19audience and I'm sure you guys have probably done the world
- 58:23class by now where you have to go into the amphitheater.
- 58:28And like accuse audience members of being brigands spriggans.
- 58:34Yeah, that's it. So, yeah that that is where you
- 58:37have to actually do the play. And what happens is everybody
- 58:40like you Sarah and the Winter Queen and everybody they're all
- 58:43out in the audience and you have to basically explain Azeroth and
- 58:49your life to the night face as a welcome to the Covenant and this
- 58:54is so cool because they reenact a lot.
- 58:58Out of very significant like raid battles.
- 59:04And so you do all of these fights against these raid
- 59:07bosses, obviously not with all of their mechanics or anything
- 59:10else like you're very much just you up on the stage battling
- 59:14against like these big bads of Azeroth, but it was kind of cool
- 59:19to see like you got to like you fought against Jana and she does
- 59:22this big like ice blast thing and you fight against Argus and
- 59:25Kil jaeden and you know, they tell Story of the burning Legion
- 59:29and then kind of fudge some of the details around the battle
- 59:32for Azeroth which the fudging of the detail and the audience the
- 59:37audience trying to follow along and like it's totally breaking
- 59:40the fourth wall here where they just like like what how does
- 59:45that even work? Like?
- 59:46Yeah. That's so great.
- 59:48It's So Meta commentary on like the last little bit of sorry
- 59:52what? There was better commentary on
- 59:57some of the good story as well as the bad.
- 59:59But yeah, it was it was definitely pulling off the
- 1:00:02fourth wall and sort of winking at the audience.
- 1:00:04Yeah, and one of the parts that they did make me a little bit
- 1:00:08sad was that it was like through this play that you Sarah finds
- 1:00:13out what happened on Azeroth to the night elves and to the world
- 1:00:18tree and everything else and so like her reactions while the
- 1:00:23play is going on. Just absolutely heartbreaking.
- 1:00:26You could you go and talk to her afterwards?
- 1:00:28And obviously she's very Central to your Covenant as a night
- 1:00:32Faye. But yeah, I was like man.
- 1:00:35I wish I could have just like talk to you and warned you
- 1:00:38before I did this big play. But also yes many many many
- 1:00:43night elves are dead spoiler alert you Sarah.
- 1:00:48So yeah, but I did really like that.
- 1:00:50It was a great introduction. I thought everybody did it and
- 1:00:53then so I went and talked to my Husband afterwards.
- 1:00:55I was like, so did you do your play and he was like what?
- 1:01:00Oh, I guess that's just a knife a thing.
- 1:01:05So after you share your battles with the night Fay you then and
- 1:01:11I'm not going to go too much into all of this because
- 1:01:13basically the half the first week and the second week are
- 1:01:16very much. I assume the same across most of
- 1:01:20the covenants because it's really introducing you to a lot
- 1:01:23of what's going on. In the moth specifically so you
- 1:01:27basically go and you meet benari you save some Souls you rescue
- 1:01:31beIN you unlock your soul binds and you meet the room Carver.
- 1:01:34I'm assuming all of that stuff is basically the same across all
- 1:01:39campaigns. Yes - yeah, so we're not going
- 1:01:42to go deep into that. It's pretty straightforward.
- 1:01:44It's basically like here's your end game mechanics enjoy.
- 1:01:49So the first actual kind of campaign story that we get into.
- 1:01:55Is the story of the night Warrior of Toronto and I thought
- 1:01:59this was going to be our entire Covenant campaign and I was
- 1:02:02really into it because it just throws you right in Sandra's
- 1:02:06comes to you looking for help to go and find tyrande.
- 1:02:10She's since I'm horde she's super pissed at me because of
- 1:02:13you know, the whole War thing and she's like, but you know, I
- 1:02:17need them all Walker. I need help.
- 1:02:19We need to go and save tyrande. You've been there and back we
- 1:02:23need to go get her. So you agree to help her
- 1:02:26obviously and you don't have a choice in that regardless of
- 1:02:31your feelings on Toronto and the events of BFA because your knife
- 1:02:35a now and so you Sparkle and love everyone so you do find
- 1:02:40tyrande down in the mob but she refuses to leave and she's bent
- 1:02:44on Revenge. She's in tour gas searching for
- 1:02:48Sylvanas. And so you save all of the night
- 1:02:52elf Souls that you can from tour gas.
- 1:02:55Astwell following behind tyrande and there's a whole bunch of
- 1:02:58voice lines if you are horde and I'm assuming it's just hoard.
- 1:03:02I don't know how she reacts to Alliance.
- 1:03:04Maybe one of you guys can actually write in and let me
- 1:03:07know but in terms of for is far easier on you wasn't sure if she
- 1:03:14was going to be like easy on you or if she would like if you were
- 1:03:19like a human if she would be like, oh and Doin didn't do
- 1:03:22enough for us or you know, like we I don't know about that.
- 1:03:26Like I don't know if your race as Alliance makes any
- 1:03:29difference. But yeah again if it does do
- 1:03:33right in let us know in the Discord, it's bit ly / Faz
- 1:03:36Discord because it seems like they've paid a lot of attention
- 1:03:40with a lot of characters and their lines of like actual
- 1:03:45reactions that they would have to you.
- 1:03:47If you were a member of A different race or faction, which
- 1:03:50I think is really interesting. So she does say like, oh you
- 1:03:53can't be trusted you. You literally killed all my
- 1:03:56people and then you're like, oh that wasn't me.
- 1:03:57It was Sylvanas and she was like it was all of you and you're
- 1:04:00like, well, you're right. So and then Jaws is like I do it
- 1:04:06again that part out because she's all night Warrior right
- 1:04:10now and she's like, I will slit your throat and I'm like, yeah,
- 1:04:13I can see that so she refuses to leave the mob but shandst won't
- 1:04:19give up on her. So she Andres goes back to you
- 1:04:22Sara to see if there's anything else that can be done.
- 1:04:25You Sarah is able to locate a soul in Arden wheeled who was a
- 1:04:28previous night warrior in during the course of their life.
- 1:04:32So you set off with chandra's to find him his name.
- 1:04:35Is there an Axe and he and his Husband quadron our carrot court
- 1:04:41court. Skordran, I can offer no help on
- 1:04:45this names that start with Q. Just why anyways, you find them
- 1:04:51in the garden of the night though Farren axe is really
- 1:04:55reluctant to help shonduras and ends up running off when she
- 1:04:58pushes him asking more and more questions about the night
- 1:05:01Warrior and Cardin explains that even though they're NAX was
- 1:05:06empowered by a loon and became the night Warrior which in turn
- 1:05:09saved their world. He ultimately failed to control
- 1:05:13the power and it cost both of them their lives, which is
- 1:05:16something that he has been unable to forgive himself for
- 1:05:19and he basically just like curses elune up and down now, So
- 1:05:25while he's relaying the tail to you you are helping him clear
- 1:05:28out spriggans who have become quite a threat to the Garden,
- 1:05:31but unfortunately one of the spriggans curses Claridon and
- 1:05:37then Theron ax comes running back and it's like, oh no my
- 1:05:40husband. Oh, I'll help you with Toronto
- 1:05:44and I'll tell you all about the night Warrior.
- 1:05:45Just please break the curse. Like I already killed him in
- 1:05:48life. I can't lose him again now and
- 1:05:50so, you know, obviously you help him because Again, are you
- 1:05:56hearing this? Right?
- 1:05:57You're the hero. Yeah progresses the story.
- 1:05:58So, of course you help him and so their necks comes up with a
- 1:06:02plan to help Toronto by attempting to share the power
- 1:06:06across all the former Knight Warriors who can be found in the
- 1:06:10shadowlands. However aronnax doesn't actually
- 1:06:15know where they are, which means you're going to need some help
- 1:06:18to find them and as a hunter this next part of the story just
- 1:06:23gave me All kinds of orgasms because you are sent to seek out
- 1:06:27the best tracker that Arden wheel has to offer who is home
- 1:06:31high mountain and if you guys are hunters and you played
- 1:06:34through Legion, you know that you if you play as a survival
- 1:06:38Hunter own spear is actually your legendary weapon and
- 1:06:42there's all kinds of lore about hole in the obviously because
- 1:06:45the entire zone is named after him.
- 1:06:47But yeah, he's a pretty cool lure character and I was really
- 1:06:51really happy to see him kind of show up again in Arden wheeled
- 1:06:55and it's also kind of interesting or at least I found
- 1:06:58it interesting just as a little bit of an aside that he was
- 1:07:02actually like in shadowlands. In Arden wield in the same way
- 1:07:10that you Sarah is and not like in.
- 1:07:17Oh my God in a wild seed in a wild scene.
- 1:07:19I'm totally blanking on the thing else.
- 1:07:21Oh, yeah. Sorry, but like that's the
- 1:07:25lowers that go into wild seeds. Right?
- 1:07:27Like he would be like one of the attendants sort of thing.
- 1:07:29It's not just lower its anyone who is destined to return to
- 1:07:37their world. So Arden wield I've learned
- 1:07:41because I have this whole section like my Covenant
- 1:07:44specific. Mechanic in Arden wield is that
- 1:07:50I tend to wildseed. I basically have my own Grove
- 1:07:54and so you can go and tie and some of them are like Louis some
- 1:07:59of them are Godlike creatures, but some of them are like
- 1:08:02Warriors some of them are like what you may consider to be like
- 1:08:08everyday kind of mortal characters except for they've
- 1:08:12been chosen to return to their like to basically Lee to be
- 1:08:17reincarnated so okay. Yeah, so there are other other
- 1:08:21creatures other beings outside of just like God like Lowell who
- 1:08:26are returning to the Mortal Realms I guess and so I found it
- 1:08:32interesting that home high mountain because he's now been
- 1:08:35there for ten thousand years because he was in the war of the
- 1:08:39Ancients, right? So he now has a very high
- 1:08:42position within the wild Hunt but he very much is like serving
- 1:08:46Arden. Old and not going to be coming
- 1:08:49back which again? Yeah, just I found that kind of
- 1:08:52interesting because I mean we're talking about huge Lord
- 1:08:55characters like be super cool. He got reincarnated.
- 1:08:58But anyways, that was a huge aside hole in the grease to help
- 1:09:01you. But only after he finishes his
- 1:09:04current Mission so together you hunt and destroy a world-eater,
- 1:09:09which is a large devoured the devours are we talked about them
- 1:09:13a couple weeks ago? I think they're the the very
- 1:09:15blue color. Third creatures there's a few
- 1:09:18different models that they use. There's one that we fight in
- 1:09:21Casselton a 3 as well as in sanguine depths, I think yes.
- 1:09:28Yeah. So there the there the blue guys
- 1:09:31that come from the in between and that basically devour anima.
- 1:09:35They just instinctively drain anima from Realms around them.
- 1:09:39So you hunt and destroy the world eater and hole in the
- 1:09:43gries to help you track the night Warriors, but that's where
- 1:09:46Story ends. It's like wait what like I kept
- 1:09:52expecting like week in and week out to go back to home and be
- 1:09:56like, all right, let's go track down all the night Warriors and
- 1:09:59we just never did so Cliffhanger, I guess that was a
- 1:10:03cliffhanger and week like for her number one.
- 1:10:05Yeah Cliffhanger number one So the plan is to try to because
- 1:10:11basically that's what you're an Axe and quadrant did or
- 1:10:15Squadron. Did in their world is the two of
- 1:10:19them attempted to share the power of the night Warrior, but
- 1:10:22it was too much for them and killed them both.
- 1:10:25So what we're trying to do is find basically more people to
- 1:10:29split the power between who have borne the power previously so
- 1:10:35are essentially worthy of a loons.
- 1:10:41Blessing quote-unquote or worthy to carry her wrath either way
- 1:10:49people who have done it in the past people have gone through or
- 1:10:51even suicidal be previous. Yeah previous vessels Yeah.
- 1:10:54So basically just splitting the power between them and
- 1:10:58attempting to save Toronto in that way.
- 1:11:00So we'll have to see how that plays out the second story that
- 1:11:03we get into actually had to do with Bond zombie who is again,
- 1:11:07it's super interesting lure character we saw so much.
- 1:11:10Each of in battle for Azeroth. He was the subject of The the
- 1:11:17the in-between book so we've we've heard a lot from him.
- 1:11:22I was really happy to see him. In Shadow lands and in and in
- 1:11:28generalizing, yeah and it Shadows Rising.
- 1:11:30Yeah, like it very much is a lure character that I was sad to
- 1:11:36leave behind when I thought that we might be leaving him behind
- 1:11:39in BFA. So I'm glad that we got more of
- 1:11:42him and more of his backstory and it really does obviously
- 1:11:44because since he's a low of death blazing a whole lot to
- 1:11:48everything to do with Shadowland, so it makes sense
- 1:11:51that he'd be in here somewhere. So this is kind of Being you the
- 1:11:55before-and-after story that as it relates to the other side
- 1:11:59dungeon. And so the first set of quest
- 1:12:02that you get basically he comes and seeks you out at the tree
- 1:12:05because he's noticed that some Lowell who should be resting in
- 1:12:08art and wheeled and kind of recharging have gone missing.
- 1:12:12So you investigate and discover that the culprit is Masala who
- 1:12:15was the original low of death and blonde zombies former Mentor
- 1:12:20boss, you know, whatever whatever you want to call blunt.
- 1:12:22Zombie called him the boss a lot.
- 1:12:24Not so we'll call him the boss. So moussala has been working to
- 1:12:30awaken the evil spirits drum Bala and a car the soulflayer
- 1:12:34before their time to recruit them into his service.
- 1:12:37So her car was one that we actually saw in BFA in sandal
- 1:12:41are I'm less familiar with them Bala.
- 1:12:48I don't I if that was one that we saw I don't think it was well
- 1:12:53liked her car was in like the the troll dungeon and then when
- 1:12:56it was redone Zoom involved, I cannot wait.
- 1:13:00No. No, that was the lower that was
- 1:13:03killed in Wrath. Oh, okay.
- 1:13:07Okay. Yeah, that makes sense.
- 1:13:11Yeah, when the trolls turned on their own Gods and started like
- 1:13:13devouring their gods, right? Right, right.
- 1:13:15Right, right. So yeah, so he has been working
- 1:13:21to awaken them before their time to recruit them.
- 1:13:24So with the help of the wild Hunt she managed to drive his
- 1:13:27forces out of Arden wheeled itself and even defeating the
- 1:13:30low add Ramallah and then Masala retreats to the other side along
- 1:13:35with a car and the rest of the Dark Army and at that point
- 1:13:39blonde somebody asks you For help to gather his mojo back
- 1:13:42from some ungrateful business partners, which then will allow
- 1:13:46him to overpower musala and interrogate him within his
- 1:13:49domain. So at this point this is when
- 1:13:52the dungeon happens, which also contributed to why my Covenant
- 1:13:57campaign felt so disjointed because I'd already done that
- 1:14:00dungeon that dungeon was one of the first ones that we did in
- 1:14:03Mythic because I think because you wanted me to see all of the
- 1:14:06lore bombs and their butt Yeah, the other side was very much.
- 1:14:15This like this thing that became available at level 60 that felt
- 1:14:19like I was a little bit like why are we here?
- 1:14:21And what's going on and why is bonds Hamdi and Shannon
- 1:14:24shadowlands, then a few weeks later my Covenant campaign
- 1:14:27explained that but yeah it just the way that it all played out
- 1:14:32obviously is part of the Covenant campaign you get sent
- 1:14:35back into the dungeon. So you do see the story like
- 1:14:38kind of chronologically, but it definitely was a little bit
- 1:14:42jarring for me and I mean the fact This was split over a whole
- 1:14:46bunch of weeks didn't help either.
- 1:14:47I think the blonde zombie story was like weeks.
- 1:14:52Or six and eight I think okay. So as a bit of an aside, did you
- 1:14:59like that the to BFA dungeons were like locked behind rep, so
- 1:15:05like kings rests and see Drew Perales because I feel like the
- 1:15:124 dungeons that like link into the Covenant campaigns would
- 1:15:17have fit like that, but they didn't want to do.
- 1:15:22A another Kings Rest another rep gate.
- 1:15:26Yeah in that order. And so now we have this sort of
- 1:15:29disjointedness. So like what if you had to
- 1:15:32choose between the two pick your poison?
- 1:15:35Yeah one would you choose? I'm not a hundred percent sure.
- 1:15:39I didn't mind Kings Rest being put behind rep and I wonder if
- 1:15:44like maybe it should have been locked behind renowned or maybe
- 1:15:47it should have opened a couple of weeks into the expansion to a
- 1:15:51lie. Line better with this Covenant
- 1:15:54campaign because then players would you know login on Tuesday?
- 1:15:57And yeah, technically the dungeon would be open but they'd
- 1:16:01probably be going through doing their Covenant campaign.
- 1:16:03And I mean even then this is going to be specifically for one
- 1:16:09Covenant right? Like everybody who's not night
- 1:16:11Faye is still going to go into the other side and be like WTF
- 1:16:14is going on. I have no idea let's go so, I
- 1:16:19mean, yeah, I guess having it open.
- 1:16:22Like I think the only person who's super confused or who was
- 1:16:25super confused are going to be night Flint knife a players
- 1:16:28because like we have more information but that information
- 1:16:31didn't line up chronologically. Where is everybody else?
- 1:16:34If you just go into the other side, it's fine you like you get
- 1:16:38the the basic gist of it, which is that this is bonds.
- 1:16:42I'm D. This is Bond Some D's boss.
- 1:16:43Musala was always the bad guy. We gotta beat him.
- 1:16:46There's some lore stuff in there too, but it's kind of
- 1:16:50stand-alone. It's more so just when you've
- 1:16:54already seen that happen, but that's halfway through your
- 1:16:57Covenant campaign and you haven't seen everything else and
- 1:16:59then you're supposed to pretend to go back in time.
- 1:17:02It's just it's really weird. It's really weird.
- 1:17:05I mean and it happens with every Covenant for at least one
- 1:17:09dungeon like there. There are 4 dungeons that are
- 1:17:11connected like that. So like so it's going to be a
- 1:17:14repeating thing. Yeah, exactly.
- 1:17:16So so yeah, basically you overpower him.
- 1:17:21You're sick. Full that's the whole point of
- 1:17:23the dungeon and you leave him with bonds Nnamdi.
- 1:17:28Then you come back a couple weeks later and help Bond zombie
- 1:17:32interrogate Masala and discover that there are what there is a
- 1:17:36wild God that is trapped in the mama.
- 1:17:40So with the help of the spirit of vol'jin, so basically just
- 1:17:44vol'jin but dead now you track down the wild God who happens to
- 1:17:49be a schmee main and rescue her soul.
- 1:17:52All but while you're down in the mob vol'jin realizes that there
- 1:17:55are other Lowa nearby as well and you can't just leave them
- 1:17:58behind. So you rescue both High reek and
- 1:18:01Chandra who we both saw these Lowa die in BFA, which is
- 1:18:06interesting because Ash mean died in War of the Ancients, I
- 1:18:13think I know you kill them in. Leads I thought you killed them
- 1:18:21in the legion leveling when they when like he got corrupted.
- 1:18:28No, no. No, I'm fixing up or soccer or
- 1:18:31sock. No, no.
- 1:18:32No, I'm thinking of like in the not in the in the raid not in
- 1:18:35Emerald nightmare, but it actually in eval schirra like
- 1:18:41through the leveling process, but it was acting one of the
- 1:18:43jurors so and with Vulture Aid like the artifact Quest because
- 1:18:47I know like claws of ash mean. I think are one of the Druid
- 1:18:50artifact weapons. Yeah, so yeah anyways, so, okay
- 1:18:57so did die and Legion so that makes more sense like timeline
- 1:18:59wise because I was like, oh, I wonder if that means that this
- 1:19:02is one of the souls of the lower that went to Arden wheel that
- 1:19:05then got stolen by musala and sent to them all still did it?
- 1:19:08Oh, okay bill today because it would have because even in that
- 1:19:11process it happens before the last sold over to get there,
- 1:19:16which is you Sarah, right? Okay, so So you fine - mean and
- 1:19:22vol'jin realizes there's more Lois.
- 1:19:24Oh, you rescue? Hi Rican Chandra, but you are
- 1:19:26too late to save rezan. Unfortunately.
- 1:19:29Oh my god, when we found was on I was so stoked.
- 1:19:31I was like, oh my God, I'll save you.
- 1:19:33I'm a Healer. I got this don't worry, but
- 1:19:37you're too late. However, just before he passes
- 1:19:42e-grants the last of his power to vol'jin.
- 1:19:47Which is something that has been theorized for a really long time
- 1:19:53is the idea that you know, what are they going to do with
- 1:19:55vol'jin he was you know. Advising tool on G and the rules
- 1:20:03don't seem to apply to him. He's kind of got one foot in
- 1:20:07Azeroth and one foot in shadowlands.
- 1:20:09Are they looking to make him Aloha, we've lost so many low
- 1:20:13alike some permanently. Like what are they gonna do with
- 1:20:16vol'jin? Where is his story going?
- 1:20:18Because he still such a central character, even though he died
- 1:20:22like he died right at the start of Legion.
- 1:20:24So, you know, like he's very much still in the story.
- 1:20:28Some other characters that died at the start of Legion who we
- 1:20:31haven't seen since May because they're poofed into a billion
- 1:20:34pieces, but you know, what else so bulgin actually takes in the
- 1:20:41the power of reason and acts like what we think at the time
- 1:20:46is basically the same as like your little Crystal thingy to
- 1:20:50basically like fuse his Essence with resigns Essence so that he
- 1:20:53can escape the mob but then we kind of find out no results
- 1:20:57done. So so you bring everybody back
- 1:21:00to the Winter Queen who welcomes them all to our new wheeled and
- 1:21:03is very happy to have lower return to her because even
- 1:21:07though you know I Rican Chandra are very much.
- 1:21:11Well, I reek I think more so than Chandra Hai re quite a
- 1:21:14little bit nuts with the blood trolls Chandra.
- 1:21:17Yeah was not necessarily evil but was consumed by one of her
- 1:21:23followers. I'm totally blanking on her
- 1:21:25name, but she was one of the advisors who was part.
- 1:21:28The Rebellion boo. I know the like the white spider
- 1:21:33was the was the name of the group?
- 1:21:36Yeah. I think that was after the fact.
- 1:21:38Yeah, and I can't remember all I remember just like coming upon
- 1:21:41her in the temple and her like overpowering the low and like
- 1:21:46sucking out her Essence and she ended up being the boss at the
- 1:21:49end of Yasmin. Yes.
- 1:21:52That's it Yasmin. Yes, exactly.
- 1:21:54So anyway, so that's that's what those to wear those too low.
- 1:21:58We came from so the Winter Queen is happy to welcome them into
- 1:22:02her realm but she's a little bit confused and intrigued by
- 1:22:06vol'jin because he is a mortal who has been infused with the
- 1:22:09power of a God and she confirms that there is no other Mortal
- 1:22:13who has ever walked this path. So she basically says to you
- 1:22:16like, I don't know what's gonna happen.
- 1:22:19This is literally never happened before so vulgar.
- 1:22:22Just talk about. Yes Mama.
- 1:22:24Come on guys, right, but I guess like I think that there's a
- 1:22:29difference or there seems to be a difference between attempting
- 1:22:34to steal a low as power for yourself versus a low again
- 1:22:40giving you yeah giving you that power and then then themselves
- 1:22:44also like ceasing to exist because in chandra's case, she
- 1:22:50was like killed as part of a ritual on Azeroth like in the
- 1:22:55Mortal realm, but her spirit was not put into Yasmin her spirit
- 1:23:01went to Arden wield or well went to the mall and is now an art in
- 1:23:04wheel but like she still exist and would go through the normal
- 1:23:08cycle of rebirth had it not been like dude interrupted by being
- 1:23:14sent to Mama. Yeah.
- 1:23:16So this is the first time where Aloha has basically given their
- 1:23:21power to a mortal in a permanent fashion in the shadowlands like
- 1:23:26so I think we're on the the we're on the path. folds in
- 1:23:29becoming the lower of Kings but Yeah, again Cliffhanger.
- 1:23:36So yep that yeah, that was the that was the blonde some divulge
- 1:23:40in storyline. And then finally we get a little
- 1:23:44bit of story that has to do with addressed Invasion and are a lan
- 1:23:48who if you guys remember we quested alongside Airline as we
- 1:23:52were going through the main quest.
- 1:23:53He was also the member of the wild Hunt that was featured in
- 1:23:58the Arden wheeled cinematic. He was ER socks night fake
- 1:24:03keeper before they basically had to destroy his Grove or
- 1:24:09sacrifices Grove in order to consolidate anima and other
- 1:24:13parts of Arden wield. So that's who are lawn is and he
- 1:24:17comes the Taps, huh? Just you know cut off the Taps
- 1:24:20just like nope. Sorry need this need us animate
- 1:24:23a flow elsewhere exactly exactly.
- 1:24:26So are alone decides that he needs your help.
- 1:24:29He's been sent to investigate a Grove that seemed to be taken
- 1:24:33over by hostile night. They wearing strange masks when
- 1:24:36he and his Hunters are ambushed. So if this sounds familiar, it's
- 1:24:39because this West I actually thought I like Mystic Quest or
- 1:24:46something or was on the wrong character because this is like
- 1:24:48exactly the same as the entry Quest To The Zone like when you
- 1:24:53meet somebody else you meet Nia and basically when you enter
- 1:24:58Arden wield, she's like hey all of my Friends are wearing these
- 1:25:01weird masks now and they don't seem to know who I am and
- 1:25:04they're super hostile in there. You keep attacking everybody
- 1:25:06what's going on? This is basically exactly the
- 1:25:09same Quest text who's really odd.
- 1:25:12But so he and his Hunters were ambushed.
- 1:25:17So you go back to the Grove to see if you can actually go and
- 1:25:21free them and you find that all but one of the hunters of
- 1:25:24actually being killed and the one that survived way are has
- 1:25:28been cursed the dress. Her responsible.
- 1:25:31So you go and visit wolf are and dressed VAR to ask him for help.
- 1:25:35This is the point in the coming campaign where I screwed up and
- 1:25:38couldn't get back to dress for again.
- 1:25:41But we'll far is basically the or most dressed historian how we
- 1:25:49say, I'm pretty sure he is addressed just not part of the
- 1:25:53yeah, but he's like he worked with the he works with exactly.
- 1:25:59He's like, he's like a good rust not at not interested dresser
- 1:26:03not a not a follower of gorked all he's kind of off on his own.
- 1:26:10So you go to him and dress Varney asked him for help and he
- 1:26:14shows you how to prepare a fetish the can break the spell
- 1:26:17and tells you to seek out the help of his old Mentor named
- 1:26:21Kiev are who died a long time ago, but can be found in Arden
- 1:26:24wield. So you find key vars Grove under
- 1:26:28attack from more dressed who are clearly viewing her as a threat,
- 1:26:32but you do manage to rescue her. While you're out on a mission to
- 1:26:37fetch the final Regents needed to break the spell Errol on
- 1:26:40disappears. So basically you go one way to
- 1:26:43get one thing. He goes another way to get
- 1:26:45another thing and he never returns but you don't have time
- 1:26:48to go searching for him. You just need the reagents to
- 1:26:51try to save gear so you don't have time to go looking for him
- 1:26:55you go and find the rest of the pieces to the spell you perform
- 1:26:58the ritual but unfortunately it fails and we're parishes at
- 1:27:03which point they Take that as confirmation.
- 1:27:06They being the night they take that as confirmation that those
- 1:27:09that are lost to the dressed are lost forever.
- 1:27:12Which kind of was like this. That's where the the week.
- 1:27:17Like I've ended I think was basically just like, nope.
- 1:27:22Once they get possessed by the dressed.
- 1:27:24They're literally dead to us. Like they can't be brought back
- 1:27:28their souls are going to disappear.
- 1:27:30If they don't disappear. They're going to occur be
- 1:27:32corrupted and become dressed at which point there's just Oh
- 1:27:35coming back and it's just like wow.
- 1:27:37Okay, that kind of was a bit of a downer so is so unwell like
- 1:27:43though. I was just like, oh man.
- 1:27:45Yeah be consequences here. There's consequences and very
- 1:27:49serious steaks and I'm not sure if the reasoning behind it was
- 1:27:53to create those consequences or if it was like you've been
- 1:27:58fighting dressed / night Faye who've been turned into dressed
- 1:28:04and Seeing them for basically the entire main storyline all of
- 1:28:09the side quests all of the world quests like you're just you are
- 1:28:12murdering these dressed all the time.
- 1:28:15And a lot of them are like named people and that comes up over
- 1:28:20and over and over again when dealing with the dressed is that
- 1:28:24any of the any of the night Faith who have been responsible
- 1:28:27for Groves that have been overtaken by the dressed like
- 1:28:30they are naming names. They're like, oh no, like I
- 1:28:33think one of them was named Like Glue.
- 1:28:35Glitter glitter wings or something.
- 1:28:37I don't even know it was glitter something because it's stuck in
- 1:28:40my head. Um, oh come on.
- 1:28:42It's it's the night babe. It's always like Moon child and
- 1:28:46like flowers is it totally is that this one very specifically
- 1:28:50was glitter something because I remember it was glitter.
- 1:28:53That's like no we would have been best friends.
- 1:28:57So like they are very much like as you're going through and
- 1:29:00having these confrontations like they are naming the names of
- 1:29:04their friends. And being like I'm sorry, I
- 1:29:06couldn't save you and like it's heartbreaking.
- 1:29:09Absolutely heartbreaking. But also you've been just
- 1:29:12slaughtering all the dress you come across an Arden wield.
- 1:29:15So I feel like They had to solidify at some point that
- 1:29:22there was no turning back so you can feel good about killing
- 1:29:25others like you couldn't save them but the door yeah, don't
- 1:29:28worry. You couldn't have saved the many
- 1:29:30ways. I think that they did that to
- 1:29:32like soothe your conscience a little bit because Up until this
- 1:29:36point in the night fake campaign all you've basically been told
- 1:29:40about the dress is that it's the night Faith friends wearing
- 1:29:44masks, right and everyone's like, oh The Masks are
- 1:29:46corrupting them and so like I don't know about you, but I
- 1:29:48thought hey someone go pull the mask off then but apparently I
- 1:29:53don't know what to tell you. Yeah, like I don't know what to
- 1:29:56tell you like. We've been through BFA where
- 1:29:58you've been like wholeheartedly slaughtering folks and I'm not
- 1:30:02to saying hoard vs. Alliance.
- 1:30:04I'm saying like case. Track if we were buddies once
- 1:30:08upon a time, but bam you're done and then like hello.
- 1:30:13Hello corrupted boa, it's Sam. Yeah, it's definitely not
- 1:30:17something and I wonder if maybe it's because like similar to the
- 1:30:21twisting nether like when you die in the shadowlands you die
- 1:30:24forever as opposed to when you die on Azeroth you go to the
- 1:30:27shadowlands like King. Maybe there's a little bit of a
- 1:30:30difference there. But anyways, either way.
- 1:30:33When you are lost to the dressed, you're lost forever one
- 1:30:37way or another either you become dressed permanently, or you have
- 1:30:42to be killed or slash are killed when we try to do a ritual on
- 1:30:46you to fix you. So there's basically there's no
- 1:30:49coming back. So once you realize this the
- 1:30:53Winter Queen is basically like enough is enough.
- 1:30:55We got to get these guys out of here.
- 1:30:57We can't lose any more night Fade to the dressed.
- 1:30:59We need to drive them out. So You head out to try to drive
- 1:31:05the dressed out and it goes really badly.
- 1:31:10You are you've been kind of like taunted this whole time by like
- 1:31:13the leader of the dress name. Gorik Czar who you think is
- 1:31:18actually in one place in Arden wield.
- 1:31:20So you go there to confront them and you get in this big huge
- 1:31:25battle and as gorik Czar dies, you're like, oh wait.
- 1:31:31Hang on a Second that was all an illusion.
- 1:31:34We actually just kill Darrell on.
- 1:31:38It's like what the hell and I thought kids liked you stop when
- 1:31:43he's at like 1 percent health or whatever and then like
- 1:31:45cinematics play and stuff like that.
- 1:31:47And I was just letting birds like I understand I think
- 1:31:50something's hidden here and you're like you couldn't have
- 1:31:52figured that out. 5hp more right and then so the tickets
- 1:31:58Dreamweaver or maybe Moon bury, one of the two dispels the
- 1:32:02illusion. You see that it's Airline.
- 1:32:04He's got like one percent Health left.
- 1:32:05I'm like, oh my God. Okay.
- 1:32:06He's got one. % help laughs guys, it's gonna be okay again.
- 1:32:10I'm a Healer my Mastery got this like this is what it actually
- 1:32:15for it took me five minutes to do this fight because I don't
- 1:32:18deal damage. So this is okay the I'm a
- 1:32:20restaurant Venture flame shot tick tick over.
- 1:32:25Anyways, it turns out there's a very short kind of exchange
- 1:32:31between are lawn and moon Berry or Dreamweaver.
- 1:32:35I can't remember And basically he warns you that the dress
- 1:32:41never wanted to hold and I'm totally blanking on where
- 1:32:45exactly this took place but this was all a faint and they're
- 1:32:49absolutely yeah. They're they're going to attack
- 1:32:51the Grove of Awakening which is the Grove right next to the
- 1:32:55heart of the forest where all of the spirits are like when
- 1:32:59they're ready to go back to their Realms.
- 1:33:03Whatever that maybe that's where they're taken.
- 1:33:05So the kind of matured wild seeds are in the Grove
- 1:33:08Awakening. So the dress begin their
- 1:33:12Invasion on the Grove of wakening while you're all
- 1:33:14distracted. So you rush back to fight the
- 1:33:16Invaders all the night Fay work together including the Winter
- 1:33:19Queen. She's they're battling alongside
- 1:33:21you to which is actually really cool and you are able to push
- 1:33:26back the Invaders and defeat the real.
- 1:33:29Gorik Czar now, the dress threat has been removed from Arden
- 1:33:35Wheels. And I say for now, but obviously
- 1:33:40they were very heavy is the leading not Gehrig's are exactly
- 1:33:44exactly so of course Hall is the leader that we're familiar with
- 1:33:49from BFA. We also this was addressed
- 1:33:52Invasion, which means again, we haven't defeated the leader of
- 1:33:56the dress and we haven't actually defeated the dressed
- 1:33:58completely. We haven't been to the realm of
- 1:34:02the dressed in any way shape or form.
- 1:34:04So the blighted lands which is gorked Al's like seat of power
- 1:34:10his realm of the shadowlands basically would be where I would
- 1:34:13expect us to have to go in order to actually get rid of the dress
- 1:34:18threat forever. And I think that that is like
- 1:34:23this kind of cemented my idea that this is where we're going
- 1:34:28whether it's in 9.1 and 9.2. Whatever.
- 1:34:31This feels very much like the Futures shadowlands to me
- 1:34:37because if you have an enemy that can corrupt anyone by, you
- 1:34:43know, putting a mask on or putting a spell on them or
- 1:34:46whatever and then they can never be redeemed and they can never
- 1:34:49be brought back. Like that's a huge threat like
- 1:34:54that almost feels like more of a threat than the mob because like
- 1:35:00all through this. Knife a campaign.
- 1:35:02We went down to the mall got spirits and weren't supposed to
- 1:35:05be there brought them to where they were supposed to be and
- 1:35:07then they were able to continue their after lives.
- 1:35:10Right? But like if you get dressed
- 1:35:13Advance it so I feel like this is a huge huge threat.
- 1:35:17That is it's the kind of thing that we're going to have to take
- 1:35:20the fight to them. So again, this got the most like
- 1:35:25resolution I think out of the three stories, but it's still
- 1:35:30not a a kind of like permanent end.
- 1:35:33It's another like Cliffhanger not Cliffhanger sort of a deal.
- 1:35:36So all three of these stories felt like the beginnings of
- 1:35:42really important Shadowland stories, but it didn't feel like
- 1:35:45one enclosed beginning middle and end Covenant campaign.
- 1:35:51So it's like a haven't even played the other three yet, but
- 1:35:56I feel like this is actually my least favorite because it was so
- 1:35:59disjointed. Versus what I've seen other
- 1:36:02people just like comments and lore characters mentioned and
- 1:36:06you know, like stuff that they've been doing and stuff
- 1:36:08that I've seen people doing in Arden wheel because other
- 1:36:11covenants have come here, but I didn't interact with them at
- 1:36:15all. Like I don't know.
- 1:36:16It's just it's so off on its own and disjointed in itself that
- 1:36:21I'm just like, oh man this this is not what I would have wanted
- 1:36:25out of a 9.0 experience. I wish they'd just taken one
- 1:36:28thing and run with it. Like I want to thank you Wanda.
- 1:36:34Like I thought that was gonna be our whole thing and I would have
- 1:36:36been totally good with that or even if we done more of like the
- 1:36:40lowest staff and if everything was about like blunt zombie and
- 1:36:45vol'jin that would have been good too.
- 1:36:48But yeah, I don't know like I wanted to see more of volkens
- 1:36:51path and where that was going, so, I don't know. / I am
- 1:36:56dissatisfied. Okay.
- 1:36:59So overall with this campaign. I had played it predominantly in
- 1:37:05the beta. I haven't been able to play this
- 1:37:08on live yet. I will get to it but this is the
- 1:37:11first one so there was a couple of spoilers for me because I
- 1:37:14didn't get to go to the end right when you were trying to
- 1:37:17cleanse our Lawns friend. That's one of the fun for me on
- 1:37:22the fader. Yeah, that was where was bugged
- 1:37:23on me and that was Mike Like Mike.
- 1:37:25Stop like I came back ready to cleanse and she turned into a
- 1:37:28nail in the wall in the ground. Like literally she's at her
- 1:37:31model was placed with a male in the ground and I couldn't
- 1:37:33cleanser but I had been playing through through this.
- 1:37:38So I already had felt that like there was like, oh we didn't
- 1:37:42come back to that and then it seems that it happened again.
- 1:37:46So I will it was weird, but it wasn't like that was the other
- 1:37:51thing is it didn't feel like An actual end like when you when
- 1:37:58Theron axes like hey, I've got this cool idea about the night
- 1:38:01Warriors and how we can save tyrande.
- 1:38:03That's where it ended. Like I heard like whom said.
- 1:38:06Hey, I'm going to help you out and then it was like that was
- 1:38:08the end and it was the same with vol'jin.
- 1:38:10It was like, hey guess what like this has never happened before
- 1:38:14and then that was the end like it felt very like unfinished.
- 1:38:19Yeah, and I will say That as we're covering the rest of them
- 1:38:26you're going to find that one. The story is more cohesive where
- 1:38:32it is following more of a single plot of the plot thread the way
- 1:38:36through but in all cases This is just the beginning of the story.
- 1:38:45There are things that will clearly lead into other parts.
- 1:38:50But again with the rest of it, it feels more like an end to a
- 1:38:54chapter like at least you come to some conclusion of like book
- 1:38:58one or chapter one, so I really do think that like the night Fay
- 1:39:06one had some really cool touching moment and like it did
- 1:39:10loss like actual law. So like there's some strong
- 1:39:13points of it. I just wish that it was focused
- 1:39:16on one thing. I can't believe we've lost
- 1:39:17airline already. I really can't like it
- 1:39:20considering he was the hey I'm going to be the poster child for
- 1:39:25Arden wheeled and all its problems.
- 1:39:27And I'm gonna go from this Grove tender who cared for our sock
- 1:39:32that was this. Character that we knew as it
- 1:39:34like a touchstone for us and to see how attached he was to ur
- 1:39:38sock and then he went from that to you know, one of the best
- 1:39:42hunters the wild Hunt had to offer because he just was so
- 1:39:46enraged by what was happening to his Zone that he like had to do
- 1:39:50something about it to you know, losing all his Fighters and
- 1:39:54losing weight hair and then like dying like that.
- 1:39:58What a narc already like I just oh, man.
- 1:40:02I thought he was gonna be around for the whole expansion.
- 1:40:05Like I actually think it's fitting what happened with are
- 1:40:08lawn. I think that one it is. a bit of
- 1:40:15poet poetic irony that the zone that is most related to rebirth
- 1:40:21and should therefore avoid a final death is the zone that
- 1:40:25actually dealt with it the most Like we were talking about how
- 1:40:35for people who didn't get to see it.
- 1:40:37I was part of a lower panel on con before the storm that bot is
- 1:40:41up. There was a great panel.
- 1:40:43We got the end of the day. So we're able to go long and we
- 1:40:46talked so much about stuff but one of the things is that
- 1:40:51throughout shadowlands. We haven't really dealt with the
- 1:40:57finality of death in the same way that we dealt.
- 1:41:01In Legion and Legion you were being introduced to people in a
- 1:41:04leveling Zone only to have them die in that same level in zone.
- 1:41:07You're like, hi. Matt was the worst luck.
- 1:41:11Hey me and five guys walk into a bar and I'm the only one who got
- 1:41:14to leave. Oh God.
- 1:41:15That was brutal. Right, so I didn't we love has
- 1:41:21that it has those touching moments.
- 1:41:22Even when you're leveling like it's like, oh my goodness the
- 1:41:25return of your sorrow you Sarah, right?
- 1:41:29Oh man like that death of that death of like the the lower in
- 1:41:36like the the active lives cinematic or like small other
- 1:41:43small short, right? It's the theme in In this Zone
- 1:41:49throughout this Covenant right that you there's sometimes no
- 1:41:55escaping death like they are about rebirth but they are dying
- 1:42:01left right and center, right? Yeah.
- 1:42:04There's just said for one of sacrifice in that zone.
- 1:42:07Yeah very much. So so yeah, that was the night
- 1:42:12Faye Covenant campaign. So I think next week we're going
- 1:42:16to be talking about Bastion. Well, I'm going to throw bashing
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- 1:42:40of these. I think that there's a good
- 1:42:42story for both of these people white might want to know what
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- 1:45:44that's going to do it for us this week.
- 1:45:45Thank you guys so much for listening and until next time
- 1:45:48guys may all your hits secrets.