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INTERVIEW: Da'Vinci Talks Backlash From Cam Newton Interview, Dating, Dr. Umar, 'Chicago Fire,' 50 Cent + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the.
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  Speaker 2: World's most dangerous morning show, The Breakfast Club. DJ Envy,
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  Speaker 2: Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Tha God, Laura La Rosa is here
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 1: And we got a special guest in the building. My guy,
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  Speaker 1: Da Vinci. Good morning, Da Vinci. How are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm good, man. I can't complain about yourself.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning.
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  Speaker 1: Morning, morning, morning. What are we here to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: Da Vinci? I want to know what you're here to
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  Speaker 1: talk about because I'm going to tell you not to
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  Speaker 1: talk about it. It's already died down. It's gone.
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  Speaker 3: Just peace and love, man.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Peace and love, man.
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  Speaker 1: Chicago Fire?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, yeah. That's a great project that I'm on
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  Speaker 3: right now. Shout out to all the producers, Dick Wolf
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  Speaker 3: and them. That's a great team right there.
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  Speaker 4: Is that like your dream to do action, things like that?
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  Speaker 3: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. For sure.
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  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, for sure. I'd like to be. part
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  Speaker 3: of an action franchise. It's like one of the dopest
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  Speaker 3: things you could do because every day is different, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and there's a little drama and there's a little comedy.
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  Speaker 3: But the action, like, you know, the scenes, like you're
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  Speaker 3: hanging from a building or, you know, you're rescuing people. Like,
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  Speaker 3: that's fire.
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  Speaker 4: How did it come about?
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  Speaker 3: Regular audition.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: You get an audition. You get the email. Your team
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  Speaker 3: calls you and they're like, yo, bro, you know, you
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  Speaker 3: got this audition. They really like you. Tape. You tape.
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  Speaker 3: You think most likely you're probably not going to get it.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? You go out for a
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  Speaker 3: million roles and you only get a few of them.
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  Speaker 3: And then you get the callback. Then you get the
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  Speaker 3: producer session. Then you meet all the producers and they
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  Speaker 3: fly you off of the test. And then you're tested
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  Speaker 3: with like two actors usually. It's either two or one.
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  Speaker 3: And they're super talented. And then the producers make a decision.
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  Speaker 3: And then by the grace of God, it's yours.
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  Speaker 4: But you've been killing it, though. You've been doing your thing.
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  Speaker 4: Congrats on Why Did I Get Married Again.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 4: Little asshole role you had there. But you did good, though.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Appreciate that. Shout out to TP for that one.
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  Speaker 3: That was a fire project.
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  Speaker 5: You entering that world of the actors that are always working. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 5: I feel like black male actors, we always have two
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  Speaker 5: or three people that they focus on for a lot
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  Speaker 5: of the roles. And now it's expanding. But I feel
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  Speaker 5: like you're working toward becoming one of those names that
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  Speaker 5: we see casted.
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  Speaker 4: As the black male role.
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  Speaker 3: No, I appreciate that. And that means a lot. And
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  Speaker 3: that is a heck of a position to be in
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  Speaker 3: because as a kid, you know, when you're watching and
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  Speaker 3: you see like the few faces, that becomes very influential.
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  Speaker 3: And when you see them in a project, you're like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to watch that. You know, like that means
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  Speaker 3: a lot.
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  Speaker 2: What did you think about the people who said you
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  Speaker 2: got the Chicago fire job with the white folks and
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  Speaker 2: then so you threw black.
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  Speaker 1: People under the bus? Damn.
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  Speaker 3: I never saw that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no, that's what they were saying on social media.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, they said that?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: No, seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, honestly, it's unfortunate that some people interpreted
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  Speaker 3: the interview that I had as if I was throwing
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  Speaker 3: my people under the bus. And that was never my intention.
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  Speaker 3: I think I expressed myself in a way that was
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  Speaker 3: very clumsy for such a nuanced conversation. But to sit
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  Speaker 3: here in my position on the soldiers of black people
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  Speaker 3: that have paved the way for me to disrespect them,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's, it's one of the most federal things
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  Speaker 3: you can do as a black man, you know? So
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  Speaker 3: that's definitely not the case, but I understand what was
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  Speaker 3: clipped and what was circulating around the internet. Like it,
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  Speaker 3: if I saw that and I didn't have any context,
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  Speaker 3: I would have been mad at Da Vinci too. I
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  Speaker 3: would have been like, Oh bro, like I look up
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  Speaker 3: to you. Like I respect you, bro. You go to
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  Speaker 3: all these colleges, specifically HBCUs. And now you're disrespecting us
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  Speaker 3: like that. Like I would have definitely been offended, but,
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  Speaker 3: which is part of the reason why I'm here today,
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  Speaker 3: to clear the air. Like, yo, I was never intending
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  Speaker 3: to cause division or hurt anyone.
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  Speaker 2: What do you believe people misunderstood about what you said?
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  Speaker 2: And what do you believe people got wrong?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, for starters, I think the Breakfast Club, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you guys heard what the masses were saying when they
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  Speaker 3: were like, I said to forget slavery, move on from slavery.
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  Speaker 3: I was answering.
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  Speaker 1: I heard the clip.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, right. Do you want to play the clip?
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  Speaker 5: I watched the full interview, too.
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  Speaker 3: Right, and I was being asked a question about interracial dating, right?
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  Speaker 3: And then when I was saying move forward, and you
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  Speaker 3: gave a great analogy. You was just like, we must
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  Speaker 3: never forget 9-11, right? We don't forget 9-11, but we
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  Speaker 3: have moved forward and built a new World Trade Center.
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  Speaker 3: The rubble isn't there anymore. I was never saying to forget.
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  Speaker 3: In order for you to move forward in life, you
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  Speaker 3: can't forget. Frederick Douglass was a slave that escaped. moved
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  Speaker 3: forward and became a representative in Maryland. These are people
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  Speaker 3: that you can't, if you're moving forward, if you're going
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  Speaker 3: to progress anywhere in life, you cannot forget. To forget
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  Speaker 3: the past is just critical for moving forward. So I
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  Speaker 3: understand how it got misconstrued.
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  Speaker 1: Let's stay there for a second. What did you mean
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  Speaker 1: by move on?
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  Speaker 2: Did you mean stop discussing it, stop blaming it for
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  Speaker 2: current problems, or just stop allowing it to define our identity?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's more so stop... allowing it to define
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  Speaker 3: our identity as if we're not more than just that.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what it was, but I would never say,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the Transatlantic slave trade was arguably the worst
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  Speaker 3: slave trade in human history. I mean, the justification that
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  Speaker 3: they were doing.
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  Speaker 1: No, it was.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it was. It was, for sure. And it's
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  Speaker 3: just like, what was happening, what they were doing to
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  Speaker 3: try to justify their extreme brutality, it's insane, and the disenfranchisement,
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  Speaker 3: and what we're dealing with today, it's still greatly reflecting that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: to say, forget it. And like, as if it never happened,
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  Speaker 3: you can't forget it's here every day. You know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying? So it's like, and, and forgive me for
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  Speaker 3: the words that I use and, and criticism of my
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  Speaker 3: wording is fair, but criticism of my wording, I was
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  Speaker 3: hoping that it didn't prevent us from wrestling with the
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  Speaker 3: idea underneath it, but it did. And I can't blame
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  Speaker 3: people for how they took it because again, it was,
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  Speaker 3: it was such a nuanced conversation on a platform that
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  Speaker 3: wasn't the proper format to have that conversation to where
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  Speaker 3: I was just being asked questions and then Go, go, go.
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  Speaker 3: And I was never able to really, you know, clarify
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  Speaker 3: certain things.
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  Speaker 1: But you're also aware of all the things that happened
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  Speaker 1: after slavery, right? Absolutely. They created a law that can
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  Speaker 1: put you right back to work.
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  Speaker 3: The red line and the Jim Crow law, segregation, all
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  Speaker 3: that stuff. Segregation, that's right. So shout out to Dr.
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  Speaker 3: Teresa Price. She's the founder of the National College Resource Foundation.
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  Speaker 3: I'm an ambassador for this organization. We've helped over 700,000
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  Speaker 3: students in underserved communities going to colleges. I do college
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  Speaker 3: tours all the time, and HBCU specifically. And I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying that to try to, like, of the work that
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  Speaker 3: I do in the community. I'm just saying that there's like,
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  Speaker 3: the community that I'm a part of, it's like, if
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  Speaker 3: you're speaking, like forget slavery.
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  Speaker 1: Move on.
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  Speaker 3: These are thinkers. These are some of the greatest thinkers
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  Speaker 3: of America. You know what I'm saying? Like I had
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  Speaker 3: a conversation with Dr. Dyson, this man teaches at Harvard
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  Speaker 3: and Vanderbilt. It's like, these are people that if I
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  Speaker 3: was thinking like that, I would never be able to
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  Speaker 3: be in a room. But I definitely understand that in
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  Speaker 3: the conversation, I was very clumsy with my wording. which
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  Speaker 3: made people perceive it a certain way, which I don't
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  Speaker 3: fault them for. Because, again, if I heard that and
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  Speaker 3: saw the clips and what some of the AI-generated things
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  Speaker 3: was doing, I would have been upset as well. But
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  Speaker 3: never was I trying to say anything like that online listening.
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  Speaker 1: So let's be clear.
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  Speaker 2: Do you believe black Americans are using slavery as an excuse.
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  Speaker 1: For where we are today?
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  Speaker 3: Do I believe that black Americans.
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  Speaker 1: Are using slavery as an excuse for where we are today?
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean, it's legitimately why we're here today. So, no, no, no, no, that's, that's, no,
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  Speaker 3: heck no.
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  Speaker 1: That's a long answer, Da Vinci.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta get that one faster.
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  Speaker 5: You gotta get that one faster.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm just like, I was just, just really just
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  Speaker 3: listening to what you were saying. I was like, hmm,
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  Speaker 3: let me just process what Mr. Charlamagne is coming from
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, because then you should say I'm donkey
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  Speaker 3: and Dave was saying something that I never said. You
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? So, yeah, yeah. But no, no,
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  Speaker 3: it's not an excuse. It's a reality. It's why we're
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  Speaker 3: here right now, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Did you see a lot of people saying that you
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a historical understanding because you're Haitian American?
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  Speaker 3: I never saw that. So, to make it clear, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not on social media as much That's what people think. Like,
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  Speaker 3: when I post, I get offline. And on Sundays, I
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  Speaker 3: take my Sabbath on a Sunday. And on the weekends, like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just not using social media. So I didn't know
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  Speaker 3: how bad things were until people was calling me. Like,
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  Speaker 3: people was calling me, like, I just, like, I don't know. Like,
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  Speaker 3: there was, like, a nude of myself. Like, I was
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  Speaker 3: just like, wait, what is going on? And it was like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: they're saying da-da-da-da-da. And I'm like, wait. I was like, what?
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  Speaker 3: I said that? And I'm just like, so all these
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  Speaker 3: calls are coming in, so I didn't see it. And
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  Speaker 3: then the things that I saw was just like, I
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  Speaker 3: saw something that said, I think black people are lazy.
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  Speaker 3: And I was just like, wow, where did that come from?
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  Speaker 3: You know? And then I started like, I just really
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  Speaker 3: had to just sit down and watch the interview for myself.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, and then I saw the click
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  Speaker 3: baits and I was like, oh, okay. So this, okay.
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  Speaker 3: I see what was put together and how they, cause
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  Speaker 3: looking at the videos linearly, like, it's just like, you
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  Speaker 3: hear this, this, this, this is like, oh, he's saying that,
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  Speaker 3: you know? And I was like, dang, that would hurt
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  Speaker 3: me too. Like when I heard, I don't know, I
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  Speaker 3: think Raven Simone said something before as a kid.
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  Speaker 1: She said you were green.
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  Speaker 3: What did she say?
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  Speaker 4: She did not say she was no damn green.
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  Speaker 1: No, she said he was green. What did she say?
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  Speaker 5: When he asked her about that's so Raven being a
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  Speaker 5: black girl.
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  Speaker 4: And she said, was Raven black though?
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  Speaker 3: And I remember hearing that as a kid and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh, dang, like that sucks. So I definitely understand.
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  Speaker 3: how it could feel, like, hearing something like that. So
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  Speaker 3: that's why, again, coming here to clear this.
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  Speaker 1: We have the clip, right?
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  Speaker 6: And then I swear, when I heard it, before you
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  Speaker 6: play the clip real quick, I thought that you weren't
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  Speaker 6: even from here, the way you were.
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  Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, he must be from, like,
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  Speaker 4: Haiti or something. Like, he must have just came here.
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  Speaker 5: Well, he was born here.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, I know he is Asian American, but the
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  Speaker 6: way his answer was, I thought, like, he was from
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  Speaker 6: over there.
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  Speaker 5: But he was saying that because you grew up with
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  Speaker 5: Haitian parents, that you weren't, the conveniences that we have
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  Speaker 5: that you said make us incompetent, that didn't happen to you.
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  Speaker 6: By the time he was eight, he was cooking breakfast.
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  Speaker 3: And just to be clear, I was never, and I
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  Speaker 3: used a harsh word. I should have said a different word.
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  Speaker 3: And when I was speaking about that, what you just said,
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  Speaker 3: I was speaking about the nation as a whole. Because
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  Speaker 3: as a mental health advocate, you know, I went on
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  Speaker 3: a tour with Dr. Vivek Murthy, the former Surgeon General.
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  Speaker 3: He was like, your generation, because you have access to
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  Speaker 3: all this technology, you're constantly offloading things to this technology.
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  Speaker 3: And what happens when you continuously do that, you begin
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  Speaker 3: to physically modify your brain to become better at not
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  Speaker 3: thinking critically. So we don't have the same. as the
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  Speaker 3: previous generation to where they had to figure it out.
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  Speaker 3: And the only thing that is inevitable, one of the
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  Speaker 3: only inevitable things in life that's going to happen is problems.
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  Speaker 3: And when problems come, we don't have the same fortitude
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  Speaker 3: as previous generations. So there's great thinkers in the world
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  Speaker 3: right now that fear that we don't have that capability
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  Speaker 3: so we can look really scary for our generation.
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  Speaker 1: You have a lack of metacognition. Yes. Metacognition is when
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  Speaker 1: you're able to think about your own thinking.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think this generation does that anymore.
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  Speaker 5: He told me that all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Because we put our thoughts out there and then we
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  Speaker 2: go read about what everybody else thinks about our thoughts
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to, before we even put our thoughts out there,
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  Speaker 2: let me think about what it is I'm about to
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  Speaker 2: say or what I'm about to write or what I'm
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  Speaker 2: about to, you know, do in this moment.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 5: The word incompetence, I think the beginning of it is
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  Speaker 5: what people may click off from the rest of it,
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  Speaker 5: which is crazy that people do, but it is exactly
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  Speaker 5: what you're saying. Because when I watched the full interview,
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  Speaker 5: that part, I was like, It's the same conversation that
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  Speaker 5: we have about people being on social media and you
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  Speaker 5: might not press the audio, but you'll just read the
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  Speaker 5: headline and you'll just keep going. But the way that
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  Speaker 5: you preference it and that battle between American, non-American, it's
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  Speaker 5: such a thing and such tension already that people emotionally
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  Speaker 5: listen to what you were saying and that's always going
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  Speaker 5: to happen. I think that's what was the issue too
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  Speaker 5: with the dating outside your race, which is how we
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  Speaker 5: got to the whole black slave conversation in the beginning.
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  Speaker 6: Even hear you I've seen a bunch of clips but
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  Speaker 6: I didn't watch them all the way through I didn't
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  Speaker 6: even hear you call anybody racist I heard you I
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  Speaker 6: mean not racist lazy I heard you say that America
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  Speaker 6: has made it this country makes it convenient for us
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  Speaker 6: to be lazy or not.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you sister Jess yeah that's what.
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  Speaker 4: I heard and that's what I was saying but I.
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  Speaker 3: Know my wording was very it was clumsy so I
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't have used harsh language like incompetent. I should have
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  Speaker 3: definitely used different language, you know, but like me and Cam,
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  Speaker 3: we got this, you know, this like sports camaraderie conversation
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  Speaker 3: going on that, you know, sometimes we speak in lock,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like, so sometimes it's like, it was just,
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  Speaker 3: I was, I was just delivering my speech in a
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  Speaker 3: way that it just wasn't ideal for that type of conversation,
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  Speaker 3: you know?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Can we play it? You did say incompetent.
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  Speaker 3: I know I said incompetent. I never said forget slavery.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I've never said that.
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  Speaker 1: I think Cam asked the question.
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  Speaker 2: I think he, in the IG post, said, are Americans
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  Speaker 2: getting lazy? I think it was posed as a question.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I for sure said that. I for sure said, yeah, like, Americans, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: humans are becoming more and more lazy. Like, for sure,
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  Speaker 3: I definitely said that. But I wasn't speaking to one group.
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  Speaker 3: I was just speaking to, and I said my generation.
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  Speaker 3: So I was speaking as a whole because I was working.
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  Speaker 1: You were saying Americans were dumb and lazy.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God. When the hell did he say dumb?
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  Speaker 1: Incompetent means... Nah, nah, nah.
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  Speaker 4: Come on, Steve.
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  Speaker 3: Nah, nah, nah. Nah, he's doing what he's doing. Nah,
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  Speaker 3: he's doing what he's doing.
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  Speaker 1: Let him eat. Incompetent definition.
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  Speaker 3: Nah, let him cook.
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  Speaker 5: No, but you understand when you use that word, because
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  Speaker 5: you said it. You said you used the wrong word.
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  Speaker 5: When you use that word, people instantly are like, well,
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  Speaker 5: who he talking to?
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  Speaker 3: I think the language was, it was too abrasive for
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: such a nuanced conversation. Like, I should not have used
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: that word. I could have said, instead of Cam saying efficient,
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: I could have been like inefficient. See what I'm saying?
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: Like I could have, but I was just like, I
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: was just going and just spitting and just flowing.
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: You live and you learn, bro.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: We all get on these platforms and say things that
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: we wish we could have took back.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: You know, the only thing that you could do is.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Apologize and do better in the future.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: That's it. You learn it in real time. You want
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: to play the clips? Whenever you do shitting on black people.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: Could you date outside your race in public? Yes. I mean,
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: I'm not with a white person. That's what the world
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: is wondering. But I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: It's not a color thing at all. I do think
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: it's unfortunate that we have so many people in the
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: world that can't see past that. I could understand the
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: emotions that it conjure up because of what people of
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: African descent have gone through under the hands of Caucasians.
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: But however, the story is much bigger than that. Caucasians
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: have enslaved Caucasians. Black people have enslaved black people. We're
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: looking at history from a point of view that is
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: cutting our legs off from under our feet to really
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: be able to move forward and be like smarter and
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: more like, I think just more awareness. I mean, shout
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: out to the LGBTQ community. They're getting married with pastors
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: that is officiating the marriage and they're not feeling no
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: type of way about it. I don't think black and
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: white people, when they're dating, they should be in a closet.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: But why is that in America that we fear that
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: more than that if this nation is supposed to be Christian?
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: We didn't want to do the clip.
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: I was going to say, we got through the gay part.
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: I don't understand. When did the gays come in?
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: That been in there. We played that on the radio
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: because he was making... Well, I'm going to... You tell
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: me the comparison you were making, because I tried to
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: explain it for you when we did it up here.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I don't even want you to do that. No, focus
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: on what you came here to talk about.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: And the only reason we played the clip, because.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: We didn't want you to be clipped out of context again.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Don't do all of that. That's no need to do
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: all of that.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: America's gay, lazy. Oh, my God.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: I did it the best way I could to.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: Get you out of it the first time. See, yeah. Nah,
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: you know what's crazy, though? Like, the world, our community, like,
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: we really respect y'all. so i feel like as a
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: journalist it's definitely we have a responsibility well i'm not
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: one but it's you guys to really just really defend
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: and fight for truth you know and i do think
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: it's important that you guys use your platform to convey
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: that and like when there's like i like it was
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: it was it was greatly alarming to me when i
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: saw that you guys perceived that i was saying forget
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: slavery which was never the language that i used you
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: know and i was like dang like this is This
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: is really sad, and I felt the same way.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: You did say move on.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: Move past.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Move past.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: My whole thing was every time black people have tried
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: to move past slavery, there have been other things that
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: have still stopped our progress.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, but we still move forward, though. I was speaking
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: to the resilience that has always characterized black people. Every
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: black person around the world, we're going through things left
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: and right because the transatlantic slave trade was so massive.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: But we have to have that. Everyone around me, all
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: my mentors, they were like, yo, bro, that's going to happen.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: You got to move forward. You didn't get the job
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: and they gave it to a wife. You got to
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: move forward. I can't live in that space. So forgive
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: me if my thinking was in a way that was offensive,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: but it's like, that's the resilience that I try to
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: tap into. The Sojourner Truths of the world, the Harriet
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Tubman's of the world. These people to where it's just like, no,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: despite what's going on, no, we're going to prevail and
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: we're going to love our way through it. You know
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying?
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Tell me about this one. You mentioned that white people
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: were enslaved to.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: And that's historically true in certain contexts.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: But what does that have.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: To do with the specific institution of race-based chattel slavery
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: in America?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: What point were you trying to make with that comparison?
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: All I was trying to show, and again, I should
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: have slowed down and really took time with the transatlantic
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: slave trade because it was the worst. I agree. I
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: am not going to sit here and be like any other,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: because it was the only slavery that was based strictly
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: on color and race. And people were property. Exactly. You
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? So you could sell them as collateral.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: You can use them as like, that was extremely different.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: But what I was trying to- And it was a
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: permanent condition that even the children inherited that condition from
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: their moms.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: There was no, it wasn't escaping it, right? And I
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: was just trying to demonstrate that oppression and hate have
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: existed across so many nations and groups of people across
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: the world. And that is not unique to one color.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: It is a human trait. Because in my experience with
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: certain friends, you know, when they're dating and doing certain things.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: In America, it's unique.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Child slavery in America was unique.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I think all around the world.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: No, because those were more indentured servants. Like here, you
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: couldn't just work off your debt and go home.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: No, no, no.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about the transatlantic slavery. I'm talking about the
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: slaves that was in the Caribbean. I'm talking about the
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: slave that was in America. I'm talking about everybody of
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: African descent that dealt with it.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But you said white people had slavery.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: So when you say that, I'm thinking about colonialism and
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: European indentured slavery.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right. So what I'm saying is that the
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: transatlantic slave trade was the worst, right, for the reasons
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: that we just discussed. I was just trying to draw
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: a picture of that hate and oppression is not something
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: that is unique to one group of people. It is
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: a human trait, and that to base your dating or
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: your hate towards someone strictly off of that, I think
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: that that's hurting us. I think we're perpetuating the same
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: hate that was shown to us and to where what always,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: something else that characterized black people is that our love,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: it's like we're the only group that I feel like
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: the systemic oppression, what we dealt with, we still welcome
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: all races with open arms. I remember being in school,
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: the white boy in class is just like, yo, what up, Eminem?
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: They embrace him, they love him, and we don't perpetuate that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: So sometimes when I'm seeing that perpetuate, I'm like, yo,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I don't, it just don't sit well with me. That's
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: all I'm saying. That's too deep, bro.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Just say you want to speak. a white chick every night. Oh,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: my God. It's Da Vinci. All that's too deep. Like,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: why did I get so good doing it?
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: He started this statement.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Saying he's not with a white woman.
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: I'm in Hollywood.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going to smash a pink toe every night.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: A pink toe?
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Can I ask you a question, though? Because I saw
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: this old clip of you and your homegirl going back
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: and forth about how black women feel when black men
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: date white women or women outside their race, right?
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Why is it an issue if some black women choose
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: to have this emotional protective tie over black men in
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: their lineage?
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: It's not an issue at all.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: So why do you guys always debate against it?
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think we always debate against it. I think
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: it comes up because it comes up. But that's not
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: something that I always debate against at all. I mean,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: what I'd be debating against is if the Knicks is
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: going to win. If Brooklyn Nets, like my boy Terrence
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Mann played for the Nets, I'd be like, damn, I
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: want the Nets to win. over the Knicks. Like, you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I don't debate on that. Like, on my free time,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: that's not what I'm talking about.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: Like, even when you start the conversation, it's like, I'm
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: not with white women for those who want to, like,
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: It's like, if you are, that's how you feel.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: That would be the next thing that people will assume.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Because he knows Dr.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Umar lurking. You got to make that clear down there.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: You got to make that clear from the show.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: If that's what you went to, do your thing. But
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: I feel like it's like y'all, not y'all. I feel
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: like when I watch that clip with you and your friend,
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: you specifically, I'm like, if you want to date white women,
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: you can go ahead and do that. But there are
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: black women that are like, nah, we think that you
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: should invest your love and your lineage into a black woman.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: And there are women who feel the opposite.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: No, I think that's fine. Like, I think whatever you love, like,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: love is love, you know? So I don't... No, I
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: have nothing against that. So how.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: Never mind.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I'm going to just... No, no, no, no. Lauren, say it. Lauren,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: say it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: Lauren, say it.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Because I don't want to.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Talk about this ever again after this. Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: If that.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: If love is love.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Why are you here talking about it? You're crazy. Who
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: told you to do this? You're crazy.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Like, all these weeks later.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Because I felt bad. I felt like I was just like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: sorry to cut you off, Lauren.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Oh, to people who support you.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, yo, people who love me and
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: rock with me that was just like standing 10 toes
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: behind me. And I was like, yo, I got to
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: clear this up because I didn't say that. You know
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying? So it was just like, I felt
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: the need. And then you have some articles being published that, yo,
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Da Vinci lost a million followers. None of that ever happened.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: You told me that that didn't happen.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: That was crazy. I was like, yo, this was like really,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: they were really wild. And I was like, yo, for
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: the people who love me, like it's like, and I'm
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: at work and I'm talking to people like, oh, nah,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: you should just clear it up for us because, like,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I know your heart, but, like, people don't know what
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: you do in the community. So they don't have that
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: insight and you can't blame them. And I'm like, nah,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: that's real. So that's why I was like, yo, let
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: me come and talk to Mr. Charlamagne.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I saw 50 come to your defense as well. Yeah,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: you were saying, like, people.
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: Just didn't listen past the clip or go to, like,
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: have a deeper conversation with you to unravel, you know, like,
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: I guess your background, you know, because I even saw, like,
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: Old Haitians in the comments saying, like, they're misconstruing your words. Like, nah, he's...
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: And I know that Haitian, like, people, they think like that.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Like, when you say, yo,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: I was 18K myself. You know what I'm saying?
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. That's how a lot of.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Like, culturally, that's how a lot of them are.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: But it's also, like, the elders, like, the older people,
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: the older generation, they think like that.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: So how much of your perspective, I guess, on black
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: America comes from your Haitian upbringing?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: And how much comes from actually studying black history?
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: I think 100% of it comes from studying black history.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Like, we didn't play with, like, education. And everyone around
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: me are great educators, and I'm fortunate enough to have
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: a great community of brothers around me that have taught
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: us really well to where it's just like black people
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: are one. Like, it's like there is no difference. There is, like,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: it's colonization that pins us against each other. There's an
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: African proverb that said the fight between two grasshoppers brings
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: joy to a crow. Like, it's like, we are one. Like,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: the whole concept of me thinking that, I'm like, yo, what? Like,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: this is, to me, this was the most absurd thing
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I've ever dealt with in my life, but I know
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I'm responsible for it because I was so clumsy on
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: such a nuanced conversation. And Sister Lauren, I'm so sorry
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: to cut you off because you were saying something about
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: the dating thing.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: I think we should just move past what.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I was about to say. No, no, no. No, go ahead.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: This is the part Dr.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Umar going to report.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: If love is love and all the things, right, why
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: did you get to us moving forward from slavery and
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: that emotional tie to that because black women are like,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: we don't want to see you with the people that
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: used to oppress us?
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Can you rephrase your question?
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: So if love is love and you can love anybody
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: you want, like you said, why does a conversation about
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: you dating interracially get to the point where you're telling us,
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: that we are in this like mindset of we can't
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: let slavery go. We can't move on. Like, why can't
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: we have that emotional tie to what happened to us
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: and say, we want you to.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Not do that. You could for sure have that emotional tie.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: I think everybody deserves to have their preferences. You know,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I just know some brothers and sisters that have certain preferences,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: but that they're afraid to share openly because of the backlash. But,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I can like whatever I like. You can like whatever
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: you like. You can like whatever you like. It has,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: I wasn't saying that. I was just like, I just
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: feel bad. Like I know people like really to this day,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: like they are in love with someone and they're keeping
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: it in a closet because they don't want to get
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: backlash from the culture. And I'm just like, dude, like,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: I think you're just in your head, bro. Just like,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: just go.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Like, you know what I'm saying? Let me see this
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: movie in white.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: He's talking about somebody else that he knows that's in
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: somebody white. And he don't want.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: To bring it to the event. Stop. Let me see it.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: You said I'm looking amazing? Yo, what?
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: He had his wife on text him, like, what's amazing?
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: He's running him back for her. Nah, it's bad.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know what he's saying. Oh, my God.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: He's still looking amazing.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: I got some beautiful queens in my phone. I know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: that's right.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: My queens?
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I tried to hit on Jess before, but Jess wouldn't
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: let me. You know how it's like. Go ahead, Terry.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Oh, you like me? Jess is a good person.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I'm joking.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I'm joking.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I'm joking.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: It was a joke.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I'm a good person. Jess is a good person to
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: talk to. She's in an interracial relationship. Oh, my God. Oh,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: my God.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Don't play with me.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: You are.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: No, my husband is black and Mexican, but you know,
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: when he was eight, he was working too.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: So that's good.
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: That's different cultures.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: That's why you agree with everything I was saying.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: No, I'm playing.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: I'm playing.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Because Mazen was raising himself, you know, all of that.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: We all did that, though.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: He was like seven, eight.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: No, that's true.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I will say, Haiti, right?
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Haiti is a nation whose history profoundly shaped by slavery, right? Slavery, colonialism,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: foreign intervention, definitely exploitation of its economics.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Would you tell Haitian people to move on from that history?
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I would tell us to move forward the same way
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Jean-Baptiste du Sable, he moved forward. He moved to America
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: and he founded the city of Chicago.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the country of Haiti is still dealing with
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: all of that right now.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Like, I mean, they're a country that's been exploited so badly.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: And I would say this. That conversation is so deep
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: that to have it on air, it would cause another
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: real one.
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: I get what you're saying. It's not as easy as
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: just saying move on. It's way easier said than done. No, no,
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: it's not. Moving forward doesn't mean forgetting. The hurt and
• 27:14
  Speaker 8: the trauma that's there. I'm reading a book called The
• 27:16
  Speaker 8: Biology of Belief by Dr. Bruce Lipton.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: He was ostracized when he was coming up in the
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: science community, but he was speaking about something about epigenetic
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: memory and cellular memory. And he was talking about how
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the trauma that your ancestors have faced You could actually
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: feel that today on a cellular level. I am not
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: saying screw that. I'm like, no, no, no, it does.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: But there's a God. There's a God. You being here today,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: having the greatest talk show, morning show in America. That
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: is crazy. I think the world.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: The world that's right talk your shit no talk.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Your shit and I didn't know but I just know
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: like yo this is the biggest and I'm like dude
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: like that is amazing what you did you know what
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I'm saying that's moving forward but you don't forget this
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: is why you preach the stuff that you preach absolutely
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying so I'm never saying to
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: forget to forget is something critical to survival it's like
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: if you forget that you had a child and you
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: left the child in the car your lineage does not
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: move on you cannot forget to move forward does not
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: mean forgetting so it's like Is this the camera that
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: everyone's looking at?
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: I know, that's right.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: To move forward, guys, does not mean to forget. It's
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: like in order to preserve your lineage and reach the
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: most optimal growth in life and success, it's like you
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: cannot forget where you come from in order to know
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: where you're going. So I've never said those words, guys.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: I want you to read The.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Call of Law. It was a really phenomenal book, which
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: is why I can't forget it. Post-traumatic slave syndrome.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: By Dr. Joy DeGroote. That's what she talks about.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: It's a theory that she describes where multigenerational psychological and
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: behavioral effects of all of the chattel slavery has had
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: on us as a people.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: And then the oppression and racism that continues.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: So it's like PTSD, but it's post-traumatic slave syndrome. PTSS, yes.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. For sure. Like, I'll definitely
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: take a look on that. But I'm fascinated by that stuff.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: That's why I move the way I move in life,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: because I understand there's a system put in place for...
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: us not to succeed. Or it's just a small number
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: of us do. You know what I'm saying? So I'm not,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: definitely not oblivious to that. But Queen, you want to
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: let your question?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, not Queen.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, not Queen.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Queen.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Queen. Queen.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Queen. Queen.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: Queen.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Queen.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Queen.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: Queen.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Queen.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Queen.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Queen. Queen.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Queen. Queen.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: She is a queen.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: I was cut off. I was cut off two questions ago.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: You ain't done with it now.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: That's what I said.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I ain't remember no Dow Queens. I don't remember all
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: that now.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: Grand Rising.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: Nah, Grand Rising.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm talking about.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Grand Rising.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: The queen. I cut you off twice. I'm sorry, Sister Lauren.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: Sister Lauren.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Yes. Happy to day.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Queen.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Da Vinci.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Da Vinci.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Oh my, not Da Vinci.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: No, we love Da Vinci.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: We love Da Vinci. Girl, go ask what you're doing.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: I got two questions.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: First one. So you think black men didn't know white
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: women can be pro-black?
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry I just laughed because I heard something but
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: yeah like I don't like if you can we just
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: I don't want to use my words right now can
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: we just can we look at what the pro black
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: means Yeah, sure.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: I love when Charlamagne does this. Charlamagne, I've been watching
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: you for a long time, brother. And I would say
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: your growth, man, is amazing.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: He ain't going to give you donkey again unless you
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: do something. Don't worry.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Nah, nah, nah. I'm going to give him donkey on
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: the day. I'm going to start my own talk show.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Listen, I feel like.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: He inspired me, for real, bro. I really respect you, bro.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I like teachable moments. To me, the donkey wasn't even
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: about you. It was about the larger conversation. I think
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: that's why people got mad. People got mad because they
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: felt like, your comments were reinforcing feelings they already had.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, he's Caribbean.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Black people will come over here and start looking down
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: on Black Americans and disregarding our history.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: So that's what that was.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: Or maybe that wasn't the right place to have that conversation.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: It wasn't.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: It wasn't for sure.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Being pro-Black means centering the empowerment, survival, self-determination, and well-being
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: of Black people without requiring the hatred or exclusion of
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: other groups. Now, remember, one of the key things of
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: being pro-black is building power, right? So pro-blackness focuses directly
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: on creating social, political, and economic strength for a community
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: affected by historical and systemic disadvantages. That's why a lot
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: of people don't like to see black men with white
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: women or vice versa.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: But if I may, I'm really asking, how does doing
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: what Lauren said stops that progress?
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Well- I'm going to quote Dr.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Umar.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I think what he says is correct here. Umar? Yeah, Dr.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: Umar Johnson. Is he a real doctor?
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're not a real expert on sociopolitical studies.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Uh-uh. Uh-uh.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: What he's saying is he calling himself a doctor.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, is he like Dr.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Drake?
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: No, no, he's an actual doctor.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: He's a doctor.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: No, no, I'm not.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: He's saying he's an asshole.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: No, forgive me, guys. I am not aware of Dr. Umar.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: I just know that he has become... part of our
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: vernacular when we're just talking about black and white people.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: It's like, Dr. Umar, but I don't know his work.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: You know how people just have a name? Yeah. You
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying?
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: He says something simple and I don't want to misquote him,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: but he's basically like, if you're black, dating a white
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: person and you have money, right? If something happens to you,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: your inheritance ends up going to that white woman.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: So that money is coming out of the black community.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: But do you have kids with them?
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, yeah.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you could also have kids as well,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: but I'm just saying that kind of makes sense to
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: me in that sense.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: But in your will, you could, I mean, I ain't
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: going to argue with Umar, brother Umar, doctor, whatever, but
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: I think what Lauren is saying and what definition you
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: just read, I don't see how you can't fulfill that
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: even if you're in that situation.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: You can be pro-black with a white woman, basically.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I just think black love is revolutionary.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: I think love is revolutionary for sure.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: The way they try to tear the black family apart
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: for all of these years, I just love seeing black.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I don't knock anybody for who they choose to love,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: but I just love seeing a black.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Man with a black woman raising a beautiful black family.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I feel that. I understand that.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: I don't know why he's acting like he ain't never
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: had a glass of milk or two.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: He has a black wife.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: 48 years old. What's that got to do with me?
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I've been with a beautiful black woman
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: for 28 years. I have four million black daughters.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? Before that, you never take
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: a scoop of the vanilla ice cream?
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: When you know better, you do better.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: That's what it is.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Okay, so he had to grow up. Okay, he had
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: to grow up.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: I don't knock nobody for what they choose to do.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Love is love.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Why would you say that about him?
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Love is love. I just think black love is revolutionary. Okay.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: I agree. I think with all the stuff that we've
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: been through to see a brother and sister come together
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: and still prevail and do that thing, I think it's beautiful.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I think love is a beautiful thing. And to me, like,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: I've never, like, wifed. I mean, I'm not going to.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: There you go. See?
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: See, I was going to say it, but I ain't
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: going to say it. I never did, though.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I ain't never wifed a wife. Say it.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: You ain't never white for white.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Say it.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Say it. I'm just saying.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: They're going to put your face in that on a t-shirt.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: They're going to be at.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: The Chicago Fire premieres like, hey, loud.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: I'm black and I'm brown.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: By the way, other races say that?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Why is it a problem when black people say it?
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. But here's the thing. I don't think
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: it's a problem with anybody who have preferences. Some girls
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: want a guy that's six feet or taller. Some guys
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: want a girl that's five, seven and short. Whatever preference
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: you want. That's your thing.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Jewish people want to be with Jewish people. Italians want
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: to be with Italians.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: And to me, I think that's fine. Wait, does it
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: sound like, Lauren, that I'm saying it's a problem? Do
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: it sound like I think that's an issue?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: What?
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: What is the issue?
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: That black and white people, like, They should date and
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: that should be an issue if they don't.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: No, it just sounds like you, I mean, the whole
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: love is love thing is what you're on. But that
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: coupled with, I mean, I'm not like, people do what
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: they want to do. But that coupled with me watching
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: you go back and forth with your homegirl, that was
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: like some years ago. it sounds to me like there's
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: a lot of black men who as a black woman,
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: when I say, I'd rather see you with a black woman,
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: y'all be like, well, why are we got to, and like,
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: y'all be upset about it. And it's like, why can't
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: I have that preference for you? Like, to me, it's
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: a stewardship. It's a way that she will look over you,
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: love you, raise your children. And I understand that because
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: I'm a black woman, but y'all argue with us about that.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: And it's like, okay, well, go ahead.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Do you think then? Okay.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: So like, so you said, when you say that to
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: black men, like, I want to see you with a
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: black woman. It's like, kind of sort of pushing your
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: preference onto somebody else that may not be their preference but.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: Other people do that all the time like in my
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: household coming home my mom was very don't bring no
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: non-black men here like and I thought that that was
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: very unnormal like until I met people from other races
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: and they told me like you know my yeah we're
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: not putting in their wills and everything like that's the
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: whole thing so my thing is if everybody can love
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: everybody but why is it a problem when we choose
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: to prioritize each other loving and building family with each
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: other that's the especially when it comes.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: From a black woman i don't i don't i don't
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: think it's a problem i think that the the men
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: who start arguing with you when you do say something
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: like that because i would never when i'm asking a
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: question i'm just trying to see the root of like,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: where does this come from? So sometimes I just, one
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: of my biggest issues that I ask a lot of questions,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I just need to shut up. Sometimes I'm like, wait,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: why are, like, I'm asking like, wait, so why is this, like,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: where does this stem from? Because that was never taught
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: in my household, right? So it's like, I never heard that.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: So forgive me, but it's just like, I never heard, hey,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: don't come home with this color. That was never uttered
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say, yeah, well, that's different.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Saying don't come home with this color is different.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: It's having a preference.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: No, one of my boys, like, in high school, like,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: he's like, His mom was just like, don't ever come home.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: And I was like, wow. With a what?
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: Don't.
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: A ghost?
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Casper? Which one?
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Because of the traumatic situations that have happened. You know
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying? It's just protection.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: And I think that the things that we're talking about
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: are very generational. And it was passed down. But now
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: that I'm older, I see it from my mom. It
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: was like, there was a fear for her.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: Of like, if I am dating a certain race, what
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: that might... do to me what i might internalize what
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: i'm what might be overlooked within me that she thought
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: a black man would be able to see and understand
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: better yeah i don't think it's like she hates other
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: races she just wants what's best and she thinks this
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: is what's best and that's what she teaches me so
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: yeah no and.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: I feel that and again like i don't i don't
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: think it's an issue i don't think it's a problem
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: like preferences all good and i understand like it's like
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: you want your daughter or son to marry in the
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: safest relationship as possible because we get with the media
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: shows and with everything happening, if a white person called
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: the cops on a black person, it's like, no, I
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: get it, you know? But I was also just never
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: taught that. Sometimes when I'm talking to people, sometimes it
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: seems like it's stemming from hate. And I just feel
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: like they should just move with love towards that.
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: That's why I stopped telling people I was married to
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: a Mexican, to be honest with you. I stopped telling
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: people that because I didn't want people to think that
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: he was one of the ones being snatched up. There
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: was a lot of stuff going on, for real.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: And that's why I'd be like, I'm just with my husband.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: No, that's real. So what I want to ask you
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: guys is, so then the brothers and sisters that are mixed,
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: what are you guys?
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: The African-Americans?
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: The mulattoes.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: African-American.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: They're black.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: It depends on how they, but also sometimes, I mean,
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: they are, I would consider them black, but sometimes it
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: depends on how they were raised. They might identify with
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: one side over the other.
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: Like, for instance, you take Halle Berry's son, right? And
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: you say, well, what are you? And you ask him,
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: what do you think you are?
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: You're like, who are you?
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: You think he's going to be like, I'm a black, well,
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I'm a black man.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: His dad is white, though.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: His dad is Latino.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Martinez.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, his dad's Latino? Mm-hmm. Where'd the white thing come
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: into play?
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Hallie.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: Half of her is white.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Matter of fact, he all mixed up.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: He three.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Dang.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: He black, white. and Hispanic. Okay, so another question.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: No, I just wanted, like, so, like, with.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: People who are mixed race, what do we think of them?
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Whatever you present as. Yes, I mean, whatever.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Regardless of what your mindset is, you can have a black... Father,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: white mother, white father, you know, black mother. To me,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: whatever you present as is.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: What you are. But the one drop rule, I feel
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: like if you got black in you, you're black.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: But I think we're having two different conversations.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Like we're having a biological conversation. We're having a conversation
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: about how you're perceived within a system. Because that matters
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: in America. It don't matter that you Haitian American. You
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: walk in the wrong neighborhood with that hat on backwards
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: and that Chicago Blackhawk shirt, there might be a white
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: police officer in that profile.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Terry!
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Terry!
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I just think it's about what you present as to me.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Even if you think otherwise, it's about what you present as.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Right. So, like, mixed people are black.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: Depends on how they.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: That's an eye.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: It depends on who you ask. If you're asking, there
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: are some mixed people that might.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: They're actually, they're mixed. That's the right answer, right?
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: They're 50% black, 50% white. But in this country that
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: has a caste system, you are what you present as.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: If you ask me.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Copy that. Okay.
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: It's just a lot of emotions and things tied to
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: this stuff.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: But I'm glad you came here today.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm going to ask you one more question
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: because I don't, once again, I really don't know why
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: you came here. 50's mad at you right now. 50's like,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: why did you even come here?
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: 50 is not mad at him.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: 50 love him.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: But what responsibility do you believe you have moving forward
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: as a public figure when speaking about the history and
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: experiences of of a community you're very connected to?
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I love the choice of wording for that question. My
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: responsibility that I have moving forward is just really radiate
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: peace and love, man, and just try to continuously go
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: back to my community, the same community that built me up,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: the same community that I learned everything from, and just
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: move them and help them. And just whatever way I
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: can give back, I feel like I have a moral
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: obligation to give back to people everybody in the world
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: because I was one of the fortunate ones that made
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: it out of my situation. And it's not because I
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: was more talented. It's not because I was better looking.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: It's not because I was smarter. It was God's favor.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: And with that, it comes this inevitable price of like,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: I got to pay it back by being a servant
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: to others. So I'm going to keep going to the schools.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: I'm going to keep working with Dr. Teresa Price. I'm
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: going to keep speaking. Like I'm going to keep doing that. And,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: you know, and going forward, I'm going to make sure
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: I choose my words. carefully, especially when I'm speaking on
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: such a nuanced conversation. I have so much emotions attached
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: to it that I have to read the room and
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: read the state of America at the time and just
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: be like, hold on, wait, wait, wait. Let's not just
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: go over this. And even if the interviewers say something,
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: ask a question, and go to the next question, I'm like, yo,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: hold on. Let's go back here. Let me clear this
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: up before we even move up. But yeah, that's the
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: responsibility I feel like I have.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: And the reason I think, I know you're sincere because
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: you didn't lose anything from this situation. And the reality
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: of the situation is wasn't going to hurt you in
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: any way, shape, or form. I mean, that's just the
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: truth to the matter.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: They're saying you lost followers, you didn't lose followers. You're
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: still going to be on, what's it called, Chicago Fire?
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Still going to keep getting booked.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So you didn't lose anything.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: So for you to be here, you know, just to
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: have this conversation and to tell people, you know, that's
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: not what you meant, I can tell you're sincere.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I appreciate that, brother.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: I still think you should, if you're going to do it, though,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: you should give a formal, like, apology.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, I... I apologize that my wording was harsh and
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: it was hard for, you know, my message that I
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: was trying to convey got lost with my clumsy wording,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: you know, but yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think, I think,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: I think that's it. Cause I like everything that was,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: you know, said is like looking back and I'm like, oh,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: I shouldn't have said that like that. I'm like, dang,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: it's really just one of those things. Like I see
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: how they took that. So it was like, yeah, it
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: was kind of sloppy, you know, but I, but I
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: believe in unity. I believe in love. I believe that,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: all human beings are talented. I believe that all human beings,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: if we're all susceptible to the AI technology.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Do not.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: No, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. I'm
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: just saying that. That's not what I'm saying. That is crazy.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: That's going to be a.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Tag.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying that any group of human beings
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: that is subjected to the technology and information that we
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: have today, if we keep using it, we're going to
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: physically modify our brain to get better at using it,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: so we're going to stop critically thinking ourselves. That's going
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: to slow down for us. And that's all that I
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: was saying. It's not one group. It's not... That's all
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: I was saying, man. Peace and love.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: These questions you came here asking today, when we talk
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: behind the scenes, you ask the same questions, so this
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: isn't just for the interview. You wanted to know more.
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: You wanted to understand why.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Bitch, he's a good guy.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: People don't just know the people that they watch on TV.
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: They don't get a chance to speak to them, so
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: I think it's important to say when we talked weeks
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: before you came here, you sincerely wanted to understand the
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: thought process, and it was a real conversation before you
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: came onto the platform.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you saying that, because really, again, I know
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: we're wrapping this up, but it really broke my heart.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Seeing the people who love me and really vouch for me,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: thinking I'm saying I hate them, but thinking I'm just like,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, that is like, bro, that's crazy. And
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: that's why I felt this. I was like, yo, I
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: just need to go on the best platform to really
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: just express that. You know what I'm saying?
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: You love black people.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Listen, I don't think everything deserves a response, but I
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: do always say you can tell how much a black
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: person cares about the black community, based on how they
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: respond to backlash they may receive from their community.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Some people don't give a fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: And some people was calling me, it was just like, bro, like, don't, like, bro,
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: leave it alone, keep pushing. And I was like, I
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: couldn't because I was just like, I knew what it
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: was like to be a kid, watching someone on a
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: screen after school and going on YouTube and watching them
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: and then like, really, and like, that's like your escape
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: from your harsh reality. And then you think that the
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: person says something wild about you while you busting your ass. Bro,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: that's crazy. That's the kids that I'm talking to right now.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: There's people that are going to hit me regardless. I
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: ain't talking to them. I'm talking to the kids that
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: was really offended and was like, yo, I want y'all
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: to know, keep your head up. The life is hard.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Keep your head up. Keep moving forward. It's like, yes,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: we're moving through just so much resistance in the world.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: We can prevail and we can prosper and that's the kids.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: That's the people that I'm talking to right now.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, now hold up.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: Last question. Do you have 50's number?
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, so.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Shout out to Fifth.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, text him because we need to be in Power Origins,
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: you and I, together. So just.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: No, I got you. Actually, I got you. I thought
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: they already did Power Origins.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. They doing another one.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: They doing it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: They doing one more. And Lauren, I got you too, bro. No,
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: she on.
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: This ain't about her.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Lauren don't do everything.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: You must have missed the horn.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: Listen, you must have missed the horn.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: We've been doing.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: From a lot here. Don't read his name. God damn.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: It's like later.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: Hit 50 up for me, dog.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Love you, DaVinci. I got you.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Love you.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: I appreciate y'all.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: It's DaVinci.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: It's the breakfast club.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Everybody.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: You want one too? Yeah. I'm just kidding. Nah, I
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: appreciate y'all.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: That was fun.