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Malcolm Jenkins on the Tush Push, NFL Photography, and his Multifaceted Post Playing Career · NFL explained.

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  Speaker 1: And here we are back again for another episode of
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  Speaker 1: Off the Edge with Cam Jordan with me your host,
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  Speaker 1: Cam Jordan. I've got my dog, a guy who I
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  Speaker 1: played with, a man who I've seen not only the passion,
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  Speaker 1: the inspiration, the integrity of holding the game down and
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  Speaker 1: so many different facets a pro bowler are two types
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  Speaker 1: of bowl champion with two different teams.
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  Speaker 2: His hometown Eagles, my New Orleans Saints. My dog.
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  Speaker 1: Malcolm Jenkins played thirteen years of NFL. Founder of the
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  Speaker 1: Malcolm Jenkins Foundation as well as the Broadstreet Ventures VC fund.
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  Speaker 2: The man just accomplishes side quest.
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  Speaker 1: I just saw him two weeks ago just taking pictures
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  Speaker 1: of live game in New Orleans.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yo, oh, you came here to work work.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a little photographer vest On, and I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: he's just accomplishing side quest.
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  Speaker 2: So this is a game to him. Okay, life is
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  Speaker 2: a game.
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  Speaker 1: And he's bawling out of control on and off the field.
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  Speaker 1: The man knows how to be relentless.
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  Speaker 2: It's time for this week's Drive for Success Conversation, presented
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  Speaker 2: by tailte Let's go places.
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  Speaker 1: You've also got you know, beyond being an activist and
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  Speaker 1: I see you on like the Wall Street Journal page
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  Speaker 1: pop ups every now and again.
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  Speaker 2: You've got what we call a sub stack. Sub yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: What exactly is a substack? Because I know a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Of words, I'm not going to say, like, hey, I
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  Speaker 1: pride myself on being knowledgeable across a board of different items,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like I am and a substack meant
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  Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to me.
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  Speaker 3: The subtect is just another social platform.
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  Speaker 4: It's essentially a newsletter, right, so instead of it being
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  Speaker 4: small captions and photos and things like that like Instagram,
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  Speaker 4: it really started with a bunch of writers who do
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  Speaker 4: long form essays, thought pieces, you know, poetry, all kind
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  Speaker 4: of stuff like that, which is right up my alley.
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  Speaker 4: Once I wrote my memoir What Winers Won't Tell You,
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  Speaker 4: writing really became one of my favorite mediums to communicate,
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  Speaker 4: and so I found.
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  Speaker 3: I really gravitated to that platform.
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  Speaker 4: After the Super Bowl in New Orleans this past year,
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  Speaker 4: I got really inspired to just put my thoughts out
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  Speaker 4: there on how I see the game, this new phase
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  Speaker 4: of life and how I'm taking all of the experiences
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  Speaker 4: I had in football and applying it to this this
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  Speaker 4: new wide open frontier that is, you know, retirement from sports,
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  Speaker 4: so it's.
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  Speaker 2: Like Pinterest, me's Facebook for.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you want to see it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, okay, okay, writers in therehod okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I mean just beyond beyond that, Bro, I love I
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  Speaker 1: love what you you're able to do. I talked about
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  Speaker 1: it just that few minutes we had before the game.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Bro, you're just accomplishing side missions. What
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  Speaker 1: next is on? This is on this mission list? Because
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  Speaker 1: there's got to be an operative stack, like you take
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  Speaker 1: over the world how slowly one paragraph at a.
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  Speaker 3: Time, one paragraph at a time.
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  Speaker 4: But no, I think you know, when I retired, I
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  Speaker 4: really looked at the landscape, and you know, what are
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  Speaker 4: the avenues for me? Posts football, and the ones I
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  Speaker 4: saw common was going into coaching, going into commentating, or
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  Speaker 4: guys just disappearing. You know, you're not really knowing what
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  Speaker 4: they're doing, and guys are isolating and struggling. And I
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  Speaker 4: just wasn't ready to go back into coaching or to
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  Speaker 4: going to commentating. I knew I had the skills to
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  Speaker 4: do both, but really that's not what my passion was.
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  Speaker 4: I've sacrificed so much time from family, from community, and
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  Speaker 4: I just something in my spirit is telling me there
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  Speaker 4: there's other ways to approach this. And so really what
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  Speaker 4: you see me doing now is trying to model for
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  Speaker 4: guys who don't necessarily want to go in those or
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  Speaker 4: can't go into those, those traditional pathways of coaching and commentating,
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  Speaker 4: to figure out, like, what does life look like after this?
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  Speaker 4: How do you approach the game upon your own terms?
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  Speaker 4: And so you know, that's what you see when you
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  Speaker 4: see me with a credential on and a photographer's best
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  Speaker 4: is because I'm choosing to show up how I want
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  Speaker 4: to right in this newfound passion of mind a mouth
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  Speaker 4: doing sidequest, discovering passions.
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  Speaker 3: And trying them out the same way.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when you wanted to be really, really good
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  Speaker 4: at football, you researched, you practiced, you did everything you
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  Speaker 4: could to get exposed.
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  Speaker 3: To it to see if it was what you really
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  Speaker 3: really wanted to do.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what I'm really doing and I understand that
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  Speaker 4: right now for the community of retire guys that struggle
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  Speaker 4: after this game, it's important to showcase that there are
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  Speaker 4: other opportunities, other avenues, other interests to be involved in.
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  Speaker 3: If you can't get into coaching or commentating.
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  Speaker 2: You mentioned in Struggle after Retirement.
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  Speaker 1: Is there any one piece of memorabilia that you wish
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  Speaker 1: you would have kept and didn't once you were like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, going through that stuff. Because as I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: to guys that have retired, they're like, man, I had
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  Speaker 1: these cliques from Super or Man I had, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this first interception ball that I gave away. I wish
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  Speaker 1: I would have kept that because it meant X. I
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  Speaker 1: just need to know as I'm like like a crew
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  Speaker 1: of my life.
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm done in the next like three years for sure, Like.
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  Speaker 3: Bro, here's some game.
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  Speaker 4: So one of the things that I got into as
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  Speaker 4: I retired seriously was collecting art. So yeah, when you
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  Speaker 4: you know, you collect a bunch of art, all of
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  Speaker 4: a sudden you got to get that stuff in short.
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  Speaker 4: And then through that, I learned that my memorabilia collection also.
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  Speaker 3: Had value, actually had more value than my art.
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  Speaker 4: So all of those cleats, gloves, football's, Helman's game balls,
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  Speaker 4: all of those awards have value. So definitely one take
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  Speaker 4: inventory of it, keep it organized, understand what you have.
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  Speaker 3: You know, some of it has more value than others.
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  Speaker 3: Get it in short.
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  Speaker 4: Some of those things I use now is like fundraising opportunities.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, but a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Of those those important moments, those interceptions, the helmets from
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  Speaker 4: Key games.
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  Speaker 3: I have all of that.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have the helmets of the man?
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  Speaker 3: Need that?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not so.
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  Speaker 1: I think I try to send a jersey or something
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  Speaker 1: to the parents and like I got no more, no
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  Speaker 1: more space to put it.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, all right, bet, and.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you have.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure you got a ton of stuff, a ton
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  Speaker 4: of you didn't give it all the way.
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  Speaker 2: No, But that's just it.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to know, like I'm just sort of
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  Speaker 1: like gathering a list of like oh, like, man, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I got like some special cleats, you know, like.
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  Speaker 2: The Foundation cleats.
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  Speaker 1: I've got, you know, a special pair of Jordan cleats
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  Speaker 1: that you know, I just wore some all gold factory joints.
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  Speaker 1: Ain't no customs, no more factory you know. I got
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  Speaker 1: a couple of couple of game balls. I was I
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  Speaker 1: was stacking game balls for a long time, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, what do I do with these? I've like
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  Speaker 1: deflated them and now I'm gonna make like a little
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  Speaker 1: mural in the weight room. I don't know, like I'm
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  Speaker 1: just gonna I'm figuring out place to put them to.
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  Speaker 4: But the biggest thing is to your point is one
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  Speaker 4: just take inventory, Like this offseason you get a chance
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  Speaker 4: literally pull it all out and see what you have.
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  Speaker 4: I think you'll be surprised, especially how many years you
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  Speaker 4: are right now it's fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: I told you I was gonna play fifteen, and then
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  Speaker 1: now're like, next year sounds good?
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  Speaker 4: Maybe it doesn't, but yeah, man, that's that's one of
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  Speaker 4: those things that guys don't talk about enough, is the
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  Speaker 4: value of the memorabilia collections, especially as we're swapping.
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  Speaker 3: Jerseys and all those things. Yeahs value.
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  Speaker 2: I don't the jersey swaps. When did that start?
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  Speaker 3: That was?
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  Speaker 2: Has it always been around?
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  Speaker 3: No? No, no, absolutely not. It would have been so
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  Speaker 3: frowned upon.
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  Speaker 1: Right vlogs were frowned upon swapping jersey like you lame time,
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  Speaker 1: unless unless you was, like you guys were best friends,
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  Speaker 1: boys like actual actual.
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  Speaker 4: Like former teammates, and even then you might have swapped
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  Speaker 4: like behind the scenes, not.
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  Speaker 1: Not like hey, in the middle of the field, hold
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  Speaker 1: that joint up, you know, like I mean it's crazy
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  Speaker 1: in the locker room for sure. You know, you go
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  Speaker 1: to a Pro Bowl, absolutely, hey, bro, But after a game,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine twenty eleven, like, hey, bro, like remember
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  Speaker 1: let's switch jerseys. No right here, let's take a picture
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  Speaker 1: of it. Let's document this.
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  Speaker 2: Coaches and players.
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  Speaker 1: Jerseys, bro, what they would have posted us up during
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  Speaker 1: the team meeting the very next day.
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  Speaker 2: Look at these guys.
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  Speaker 1: They're more worried about themselves than they are the team
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  Speaker 1: they would like, coach, the game is over, like they
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  Speaker 1: ain't none of the individuality twenty eleven, like, ain't no
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  Speaker 1: way it would have been you look, look.
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  Speaker 4: Do you do you like that growth though, like the
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  Speaker 4: evolution of the game, and just even like like I
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  Speaker 4: hear so many players now talk about like them watching
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  Speaker 4: TikTok and all of those things.
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  Speaker 3: It's like we would never say those things in an interview,
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  Speaker 3: but it is what has grown the game at this point.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I look at it like yo, Like you know,
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  Speaker 1: guys used to rehearse their celebration dances. You don't let
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  Speaker 1: you Lance Moore back in the day, just didn't go dance.
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  Speaker 1: You had to be here's the king. The king, I say,
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  Speaker 1: TikTok is a new mirror. Like you you're catching moves?
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  Speaker 1: Are you making sure you got them?
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  Speaker 2: So?
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  Speaker 1: I understand, you know, like I may not ever get
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  Speaker 1: behind it, but I got kids, and you know, now
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  Speaker 1: if the kids are older, we six seven, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we do all that so I can see where it
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  Speaker 1: goes as a as a as a retired player. Do
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  Speaker 1: you ever think about coming out of retirement as a
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  Speaker 1: side mission?
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  Speaker 3: No? No, that is complete, Buried. I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 3: What about this?
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  Speaker 2: What about this week?
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  Speaker 1: Your former teammate, you know, O g of mind, Brandon
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  Speaker 1: Brown talking about talking about I'm going to reach over
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  Speaker 1: to the Eagles.
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  Speaker 3: Got that knock? You got that got that call? Got
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  Speaker 3: that is?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, listen, it's very tempting when you know, especially
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  Speaker 4: when you fresh out, when you know you still have
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  Speaker 4: some snaps in you.
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  Speaker 3: The team is good, you know, it's not all.
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  Speaker 4: Like hanging on you. It does make it, I think
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  Speaker 4: more advertising. But for me, you know, when I was done,
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  Speaker 4: I was sure, I'm like this is actually no, let
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  Speaker 4: me take it back.
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  Speaker 3: I'm lying to my.
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  Speaker 1: Saying, y'all say, yeah you are, because we talked about it.
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  Speaker 2: Next year?
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  Speaker 3: Is that the next year? Actually, the Eagles gave me
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  Speaker 3: a call and I'm like, hey, you know, what's you
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  Speaker 3: struggling in that safety? They had a bunch of injuries.
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  Speaker 4: I think, uh, Deucy got hurt, and uh, you know
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  Speaker 4: I would have I would have taken that call if
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  Speaker 4: I was allowed to. I couldn't just come out of
• 10:19
  Speaker 4: retirement from the Saints and joined the Eagles, though. But
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  Speaker 4: so I understand the age, especially that that first year
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  Speaker 4: out before you've really like detached yourself from the game.
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  Speaker 4: So it's not surprising. We had a couple of guys.
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  Speaker 4: Guy retire middle of the season, so the team needs
• 10:35
  Speaker 4: some help. He's in the city, you know, no power
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  Speaker 4: to you, right, I'll.
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: Say, you know they it was Zidarius retired, just up
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  Speaker 1: and I seen an Instagram post and say, oh okay,
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, BG talked about, hey baby,
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  Speaker 1: I'm back, back back.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he joined the team. That's five and two.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there were there were some questions
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  Speaker 1: when they were sitting at you know, they lost two
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  Speaker 1: games in a row, and they're like, have they figured
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  Speaker 1: it out?
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  Speaker 2: I mean five and two is a solid it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you know that that team.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just they have so much talent, they have
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  Speaker 4: such a good you know, they have a complimentary team
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  Speaker 4: that they just need to manage all of the personalities
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  Speaker 4: and egos, you know media, you know in that media,
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  Speaker 4: you know Arena of Philadelphia. They just need to manage
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  Speaker 4: the locker room. And that was that was the case
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  Speaker 4: last year. That's going to be the case this year.
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  Speaker 4: They've got talent, they've got coaches. That's not the issue
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  Speaker 4: at all. They've got to stay healthy and kind of
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  Speaker 4: keep those blinders on absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we saw the touch bush again.
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  Speaker 1: How do we feel about the touch bush?
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  Speaker 2: Items Like, it's a very just a jailor Hurst thing.
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  Speaker 2: You saw the Minnesota Vikings have.
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  Speaker 3: Like they can't do it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, That's the funny thing is like, well, everybody's like, oh, so,
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  Speaker 4: you know, criticized it, and then everybody tried it and
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  Speaker 4: realized like, oh, your quarterback actually has to be able
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  Speaker 4: to squat some weight for it to work.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: The fact that nobody's been able to really stop it,
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  Speaker 4: and the fact that they have variety off of it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they got the jet sweep off of it,
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  Speaker 4: they got the hard counts.
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  Speaker 3: It's like they really take it to another level.
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  Speaker 4: And I personally love it because I feel like it's
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  Speaker 4: the most old school play that we actually have, and
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  Speaker 4: the fact that it's still so as somebody who likes history,
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  Speaker 4: the fact that it's so effective, like the oldest three
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  Speaker 4: yards in a cloud of dust philosophy still works is beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: No that I'll say, all the all the old folks
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  Speaker 1: that were tune into the game should absolutely love it.
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  Speaker 2: Like, hey, this is nineteen seventy, nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: Sixty football right here, the original We're coming down here
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  Speaker 1: you catched up. Okay, but we get it. I mean
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  Speaker 1: it led to it led to a super Bowl. You know,
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: tell me what that's like. Do you have a favorite
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  Speaker 1: super Bowl in.
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  Speaker 4: I think the Eagles Super Bowl just because I played more.
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  Speaker 4: I played the entire game. I played like the most,
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  Speaker 4: maybe like a half and a little bit more in
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  Speaker 4: my rookie year, and so in being the captain of
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  Speaker 4: the team. You know, it was just I had so
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  Speaker 4: much more invested in that second super Bowl than my
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  Speaker 4: rookie year when I was like along for the ride
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  Speaker 4: and got thrown into the fire kind of thing. But both,
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  Speaker 4: you know, being able to bring the first Super Bowl
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  Speaker 4: to both cities, you know, is one of those things.
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  Speaker 3: That I really can't choose. It's so significant not.
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  Speaker 4: Only to myself but to the city, to the fan
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  Speaker 4: base that you know, it really.
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  Speaker 3: Keeps me attached to both places, and both places are
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  Speaker 3: home to me.
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  Speaker 1: Right And now you're part of you know, history and
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  Speaker 1: two different franchises, you know, Saints of course or Drew Brees.
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  Speaker 1: That's got to be awesome coming as a rookie and
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  Speaker 1: just have one in the bag, like, you know, I.
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  Speaker 4: Thought I was gonna get you know, I thought I
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  Speaker 4: was gonna get them every every couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: In twenty eleven when we were close.
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  Speaker 1: Man, twenty eleven my rookie year, what two thousand, even
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  Speaker 1: my rookie year, I was like, oh, this this winning
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  Speaker 1: thing is just natural, Like oh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was the best team I've ever been off.
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  Speaker 1: We we want thirteen to three something like that. It
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  Speaker 1: was like whatever eleven five thirty three some some something
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  Speaker 1: like it just felt too easy to win when didn't
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  Speaker 1: didn't win, didn't lose a home game for like two
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  Speaker 1: years running, you know, like, hey, you coming here, we
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  Speaker 1: lock these doors behind you.
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  Speaker 2: Now you know your asses?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, now you can't leave.
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  Speaker 1: Now you can't leave. In fact, thanks for the dub,
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  Speaker 1: We'll let you out now, you know. That's what it
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  Speaker 1: felt like. And now I'm on the other side of
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  Speaker 1: things where you go from being constant having having one
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  Speaker 1: of the best to ever do it. Now you're like,
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: all right, we're figuring out that next wave. Figuring out
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  Speaker 1: the next wave is not as easy as it looks.
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  Speaker 4: That's the one thing about this league, man, it's there
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  Speaker 4: are windows.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what makes it so so great is.
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  Speaker 4: That when you know you have the locker room and
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  Speaker 4: the core to get it done, you have to get
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: it done in that time period because you know, if
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: you're not successful, the regime changes. If you are successful,
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  Speaker 4: people get paid and move on. So it's only a
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  Speaker 4: window you know, of time that you actually have get
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  Speaker 4: it done. And that's the magic of it all. That's
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  Speaker 4: why you know, we have different champions every year. We
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  Speaker 4: have you know, you know, different teams going from the
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  Speaker 4: bottom to the top.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what that's what I like about the league.
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  Speaker 3: It's always competitive.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like those iconic moments.
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  Speaker 1: Is that like, is that feeling of like, man, two
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: thousand and nine, this this you know, the Super Bowl
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: with the with the Philadelphia they you know, the coming
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: back to the Saints, these iconic moments. Is that sort
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: of what like led you into photography or like how
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: does how did that work?
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: No, I think again, it's like how do I come
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: back to the game on my own terms?
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: And so I've been spending a lot. I've been avoiding
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: coming back to games.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: Because I'm not I'm not a player, I'm not a coach.
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: I have nothing going on with you know, the outcome
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: of the game. You know, as a fan of the game,
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: like great, when it becomes I have to ask myself
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: like well, why are you here?
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: You know, like it's and you kind of feel like
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: you're getting paraded around.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: But I think once I got behind the camera, it
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: started with me just taking photo with my daughter playing soccer,
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: and then I'm like, okay, I went to.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: An MLS game. To some things, I'm like, well, I
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: might as.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: Well do some NFL games. But what it allowed me
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: to do was to approach the game on my own terms,
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: doing something that I'd love to do from a vantage
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: point that I was used to, not the stands. I
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: can be down on the field, I'm looking at the
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: formation to understand what plays come in and where I
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: think the ball's gonna go, where I need to put
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: my camera. Like that just helped me use these dormant
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: talents and knowledge that I've had outside you know, now
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: used in the game that I've had a hard time
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: applying out in the world. This gave me the medium
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: and the platform to actually put that stuff to use
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: just for fun, just for artistic expression, just for the
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: sake of exploration. And I think that is an example
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: and I'm not the only one, but trying to leave
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: real life examples for guys that leave the game to
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: show that there are so many different avenues of which
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: we can interact with our game besides being a player,
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: a coach, or you know, commentating.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. I was like, you got and you found
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: out you loved it?
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, I mean it's it's yeah.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: So it is a complimentary to It compliments my writing really,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: and that's why I got into photography is my collection
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: of art.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: I love photography.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: As I started to write more, adding the things that
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: I'm seeing just just brightens the context for the reader.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, it's all about storytellering for me.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: As as an author, as a writer, does that you
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: know said is the next one? Like, so you you
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: obtained goals? They are critically acclaimed in that space.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Do you have the goal of shooting a Super Bowl,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Like what is what is the photography?
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Is there a photography?
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: You know, like elevated status, like oh man, I got
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: to shoot this event Olympics coming up.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: I think that's the thing about being an athlete that
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: I have that we have to shape. Sometimes it's feeling
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: like we have to be the best at everything in
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: order to in order for it to be valuable. And
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: for me it's like, No, the exercise of being a
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: rookie and things like that just give me new life
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: that you learn so much more about yourself, You learn
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: about a new craft, And I think it's more of
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: an exercise of a self scout than anything else.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Right, how do you get outside? What do you do
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: when you are uncomfortable? You're in a situation you're unsure.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: How do I go back to the things that I
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: did when I was a rookie in the locker room
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: of the Saints or of things?
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: How did I approach the game? Who did I look
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: up to?
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: And getting used to working those muscles are important in
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: every genre life, whether you're trying to figure out how
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: to be your new dad and trying to figure out
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: how to make this work. It's like, well, you find
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: some people to look at, try some things out, read
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: a couple of books, get in the field and do it.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: And again, I think doing those things out loud, understanding that.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I represent or that a lot of people look to
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: my example to follow.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: I try to do it in a way that is
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: out loud and unconventional because I know, you know, some
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: avenues aren't aren't open to everybody else. And I'm completely
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: committed to living a life outside of the box.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, I don't don't. I don't know, boy,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: outside of the box. I just want to be competitive
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: all my life, my life nature. I don't know if
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I can have a self reflection like I want. I
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: don't know if I got that.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I need to be the best like I have. That's
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: an innate need. I think that's innately who I am.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: It's probably why like I started up my foundation, the
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: cam Jordan Foundation, because I was like, yo, I had
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I had everything at hand to be the best. I
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: went to the University of California, Berkeley. I had, you know,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I had a great dad who was able to provide
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: with I was like, I'm looking at it. I'm like
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: this next generation they you know, there's kids that want
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: to be the best, but they don't have the means to.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Get to college. So I focused on education.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: You know, we've been able to send kids off to
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: college and Uianda public schools and pay for the whole tuition.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Like you know, your foundation in the Malcolm Jacobs Foundation,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: you know you started, you started with your first.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: Year, second year, Yeah, twenty ten, my second year in
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: the league. Yeah.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk, you know with everything that I know
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: if you've you've always talked about paying affward for just
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: you know, the next wave as well. Just give me
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: in a nextdoe of you know what the foundation program has?
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: How has it grown since since twenty ten?
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Man, we started in twenty ten, which means that this
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: year we'll celebrated fifteen years of work, which is longer
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: than I played in the league, which is when I
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: think about that is really mind blowing me and my mom,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: she's the president of the foundation. We started in New
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Orleans and expanded it to everywhere we call home.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: So that was Ohio, Columbus, Ohio, Philadelphia, where I was
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: at playing, and then Pitscatto in New Jersey. And you
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: stayed in New Jersey where I'm from and being able
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: to expand our programs that exist in all of these markets,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: regardless if I'm there or not, servicing thousands.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Of community members.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: We just had an event in Philly a couple of
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: weeks ago where we fed about eight hundred families, and
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: you know, just to be able to have the support
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: from the community to expand our our reach across the
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: country to provide things like food, education services, financial literacy,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: storytelling things, exposing kids to art. We do it all
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: like literally, all of the things that I'm doing in
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: my life. Journey is not just an example like hey
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: watch me. We're taking all of that access and pushing
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: it down to this next generation to let them know
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: that they can get these same skills, they can walk
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: these same paths. You don't have to be an NFL
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: player to do.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: The side quest. Side quests are open for everybody if you.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: Kind of take the time, breathe, analyze yourself about what
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: you like, what you do, don't try some things and
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: put yourself out there.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Absolutely just adding to the legacy for sure. You know,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I guess they'll say all these side missions.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: You know, you think about just what you've done with
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: the with the VC as well, that's what you make
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: me mad. Well, these like I feel like I got
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: to step my head up, Like I'm like, you know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I can do more. I could, I could do more.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: It's definitely out there for you if you want to.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: I think that's really that's really the biggest thing. Sometimes
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: we feel like things aren't available to us.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: It's like, if you don't want to do it, that's
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: that's all good. But if you do want to get
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: out here, you know, I'm looking at how everybody else
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: makes money, you know, because we're all.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Like, okay, we want to grow generational wealth. And I
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: realized real quickly, you.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Have generational wealth.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: No, I don't. I've got you can. We hear every
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: day about athletes going broke. So to say that we
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: have generational wealth is like, we have the potential for
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: generational wealth. We have a great foundation if we then
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: make our money work just as hard as us. But
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: if we don't, this money is going to run out in.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Five to ten years. And so what I had to
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: do is like, okay, well who is making all of
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: the money in the country. Who are the richest folks?
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: And when you look at it. They all make that.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: They're not making it in stock market.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: They make their money in venture capital, private equity, real estate,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: and franchise. So I made sure I got in all
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: of them. And then when I built it, you know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: I didn't just want to do it for me. I'm like,
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: I know my peers need access to this stuff. These
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: are the things that we don't talk about a lot
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: in locker rooms, don't hear about a lot. So if
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: I'm a set it up for myself, I'm a creative
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: vehicle where my teammates, my peers from across the league,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: across the industries can also invest with me. That's what
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Broad Street Ventures is, athletes, franchise partners, and we've been
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: able to really build this as a community and a network,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: which is the exact model that everybody else is in
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: this country when you talk about the top top herners.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: But those are the things that we talk about.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Enough. Is building a team, you know, outside of the game.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, especially now while I'm playing whatever it is, I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: tell the guys, I'm like, hey, bro, like you've got
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of teammates and a lot of different things.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I was like, if you feel like you need to
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: learn something right now is the best idea.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, When Jimmy.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Graham was in the locker room last year, I said, Bro,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I said, you should talk to him, my man, you know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: does these amazing things off the field?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Tap in if you got some business questions.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: You know, you know Taysom Hill before, you know, the
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: seven years before he got to the NFL, you know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: on a b YU route. You know, he was working
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: it to be in the financial district, like Bro, Like
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: you have it at the palm of your hands right now.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: As well as being able to leverage who you are
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: to get into the rooms that you want to be
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: in after you are who you are, not.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: What's what's this? What's this?
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Helmet gets peeled back and nobody really cares about the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: shield that you're not rocky anymore. You know, when you
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: can go from Cam jordan' the Sames player to just
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Cam Jordan, you should leverage Cam Jordans football player as
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: hard as you can, as much as you can.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but also set up who Cam Jordan's gonna be afterwards,
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: because Cam Jordan's only gonna be a football player for fifteen, sixteen,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: maybe seventeen years.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's Cam Jordan.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Gonna be Cam Jordan for a long time and eventually.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: And I think that's what guys struggle with is when
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: you put all your chips into being just a football player,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: when you are no longer a football player, you can't
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: go back on that field even if you wanted to.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: You have to thedn't answer the question to yourself who
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: am I? If you haven't answered that already, it will
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: be stressful. And this is from experience. And I had
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: all the things going on and I still had that
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: same question, like, Okay, without this game, I've said mortar
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: an athlete as a cliche, but now I got to
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: put foot the payment. Who am I? Without the games?
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: And I think what you see me doing is actively
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: working that out.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Oh shoot, Like, I ain't gonna take you too
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: much more of your time. I appreciate you for tapping
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: in with me, of course, but shout out appreciate you
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: for everything you are. You get being inducted into I
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: almost forgot being inducted to the to the Eagles Hall
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: of Fame November twenty eighth. You guys play Caleb Williams
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and the Bears in Rome, and Doonzle.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Said You've been even nothing but inspiration since I've met you.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I still have a favorite play back when it was
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: like twenty eleven or twelve, we played Tampa.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Bay and you walk down freaking the Vincent Jackson ju Yeah,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Junior d whatever it is, walked him down. You know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: we had we had the awesome goal line stop and
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: we like, hopefully they take because it's amazing.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: You came forty yards from deep uh and then we
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: ended up.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: You know, didn't you make the fourth down stop on that?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to say there's a sequence of why
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: it's one of my Yeah, exactly, but appreciates you stopping
• 27:01
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• 27:04
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• 27:09
  Speaker 1: it's everything that is Malcolm Jenkins, Doug.
• 27:11
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